Canon P Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2024
- In today’s episode, Simon and I review the Canon P - a beautiful, well-designed 35mm rangefinder with a Leica M39 screw mount and an unusual 1:1 viewfinder magnification. The camera was built between December 1958 and May 1961 and came mostly in silver but also in black. Original black paint versions are quite rare and expensive today, the silver version is more widely available and comparatively cheap.
At the time, it was marketed as a less expensive, simplified alternative to the Canon VI-L, with the P standing for “Populaire”. The Canon P came with either a 50 mm f/1.4 or f/2.8 lens. According to the Canon Museum, the original retail price of the 50mm f/1.4 kit was ¥52,700 or ¥37,700 for the f/2.8 kit. The high-end version cost approximately $146 at the time which would translate to around $1.460 today and the low end version cost $105 which would be around $1.050 today. The lower price was made possible by simplifying the viewfinder to support only one magnification and show all three frame lines for 35mm, 50mm and 100mm at the same time.
According to Peter Dechert's (1985) "Canon Rangefinder Cameras", about 87,875 Canon P's were made. The Canon P is the predecessor to the famous and very successful Canon 7 rangefinder.
Simon and I took the Canon P out to Lindau which sits in between Germany, Austria and Switzerland with the beautiful scenery of Lake Constanze in the background. We took a photo walk on the Lindau island shooting one roll of Kodak ProImage 100 and one roll of Kodak Portra 160. Let’s get started.
Gear used:
Canon P with
Canon 50mm f/1.4 LTM
Voigtländer 35mm f/2.5 Color-Skopar
Film used:
Kodak ProImage 100
Kodak Portra 160
Development and scans:
urbanfilmlab.com
References:
/ sjmgarnier (Simon's profile)
/ shueido_camera (Shueido Camera)
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Lovely to see you guys back in action.
11:34 The way you finished that thought perfectly and matter-of-factly encapsulated the great joy and inherent melancholy of using and appreciating vintage cameras; they don't make them like they used to. Great work as always.
One of my favorites! The recessed winder is the stuff of legend.
I know! Such a clever design. It makes the camera so sleek and beautiful.
Great video! I'm so happy to see you create a review of this camera. I quickly fell in love with my Canon P and it's now my main film camera for my work and I regularly feature it when making film photography videos
I agree. It’s a joy to use and I never regret picking it up to go shoot.
Stunning camera. I had the chance to use one for a couple of months thanks to a kind friend that borrowed his camera to me. The P and a 50mm and you're done, you have it all for a great rangefinder experience. As you stated it's a great starting point for someone that has never used a rf. Great video as usual, thank you for sharing
Informative, interesting and no fluff. Thank you !
Thank you for your kind feedback. Glad you enjoyed it.
Such an elegant camera.
Of course I enjoyed this, being a Canon P user, but a couple of points: (1) That little rotating red dot in the round window does NOT indicate that your film is advancing… it will spin happily when the lever is advanced, even if there is no film in the camera at all! To be sure your film is advancing correctly, you need to watch the red line in the center of the rewind crank to make sure it is turning. The real purpose of the spinning dot: When it stops spinning during REwinding, you know that the film has come off the spool and it is safe to open the back. It also can be used for making intentional double exposures, by rewinding exactly one full turn of the dot before the second exposure. (2) I saw in the video that you are loading the P by putting the cartridge in the left chamber first, as almost everyone does, but it's much easier if you do it as shown here: Load Your 35mm Film Camera the 1960s Way th-cam.com/video/GpPEKdJjcEQ/w-d-xo.html
Good video of yours, it prevents the normal faffing around with film leaders most people contend with 😊
Super useful! Thanks for sharing ✌
This was simply excellent. Really Interesting.
Great job Max!
So much great info! Thank you!
The pictures you captured made me appreciate the fujifilm film simulations more. Totally unrelated but appreciated.
Great video! Im in love with the P. Now I need to get my hands on one
Gorgeous camera! Many thanks.
Beautiful camera and video! I have long thought that the Canon P is the best looking camera ever made. And that 50mm F1.4 lens is just amazing. I love using it for slide film. The mellow contrast is perfect for Ektachrome.
With genuine Leica rangefinder cameras becoming more out of reach where M6 prices are approaching MP price levels and even a M2 or M3 now costs three to four times as much as you could get them for 15 years ago, attention turns to the Canon P. A Canon P will soon demand what you could get a Leica M2 or M3 for in the past. Insane.
How does an M6 at 2500 reach MA 6000 levels?
Everything film is 2x 3x the amount of what yesterday cost. Dont get your complaints
@@Zetaphotography An M6 for $2,500 is incredibly cheap. A clean, CLA-ed M6 easily goes for $3,500 - or more.
I am not complaining. I am covered. I already got my M3 and I bought a brand-spanking new MP from Leica (with warranty) in 2020. I just think it's unreasonable to buy a Leica M6 at the prices they're going for, I think people should rather buy an MP new from Leica.
Great impressions😊
Love the Canon LTM rangefinders. They're great as a Leica alternative and priced very reasonably too. I finally got the chance to buy my dream Canon rangefinder camera, which is the rare Canon 7SZ. With only 4,000 cameras made, the Canon 7SZ was the last LTM rangefinder from Canon and the end of Barnack style cameras utilizing the Leica Thread Mount until the modern Bessa rangefinder. It was the most advance LTM camera made during the time and the finder is the best among all older LTM rangefinders. The bright projected selectable framelines and the crisp rangefinder patch was almost Leica level of experience but without the hefty price.
I've been waiting for this one!
Max and I have been waiting for it too! We can only meet when I'm in Europe, unfortunately.
Thank you for introducing me to Shueido Camera! Just purchased a canon p and serenar 50 f1.8 with white and brass detailing and I’m super stoked to start shooting with it.
Great video and wonderful insight to the Canon P ... I now want one 🙂
this is the best looking camera of all time
There's so much beauty in the simplicity of this camera. I, like many others, have wanted an old Leica for a while, but am not willing to sell my left arm for one. And probably also like many others, I searched for a cheaper alternative and landed on the Canon P. As a loyal Canon shooter for many years, I was quickly sold on getting one of these. This camera is literally everything that I want from a Leica in a much more affordable package. I even love the fact that it doesn't have a light meter. I feel like I'm training my "Sunny 16" instincts so much more than I ever have, even to the point where a light meter for casual shooting seems unnecessary to me now. I've seen those custom paint jobs, too. Such a tempting reason to get more than one of these! Mine is in immaculate condition, so I want to keep it all original. But the cool repaints are a good option for one that's got some miles on it.
Although I now shoot with the M6, the most camera I regret selling is the Canon P..
The camera that got me into the rangefinder shooting..
It's such a joy to use
Sell your Leica M6, buy 10 Canon P ;-)
@@SimonGarnier bro great investment lol
What a great video! Im Just seeing this after buying the P with the 1.4 lens. I can’t wait until it arrives but in the meantime I ordered the doomo lightmeter. What a great accessory. I have an using a light meter app on my way phone but having a dedicated light meter just seems a lot more enjoyable. Thank you for the great video!
Ein tolles Video, wie so oft!
Die schnellere Musik ist eine schöne Abwechslung, aber die klassische gefällt mir doch noch besser:)
Now that’s how you do a review!
Film TH-cam creators should watch this first.
Thanks for your feedback. Really appreciate it. :)
I have a Canon P and love it. The Canon 50mm f/1.4 is a great addition. But I have a Canon 50mm f/1.8 that turns out some gorgeous shots, too.
Yes, the 1.8 is great as well, and much more compact than the 1.4. Unfortunately, the one that came originally with my P was riddled with fungus and I decided to replace it with the 1.4 when I found a good deal for it.
Very nice! I have a Canon-P, very nice shooting experience. With film prices spiraling upwards almost went away from film. But will give it another try! Good motivation..
My very favourite RF camera EVER _(after divine Leica M3)_
Canon P is AMAZING ♥
another excellent video. like the music on this one!
Thanks for your feedback. Glad you enjoy it. :)
A beautiful camera! I wish Canon would embrace their heritage and release something like this with an RF mount (and ideally a full frame sensor).
Yes, that would be fantastic. Ideally a 35mm film camera. In the realm of mechanical watches, companies introduce heritage lines based on their archives all the time. I wish camera manufacturers would do the same.
@@AnalogInsights Just take my money already! :-)
They made the Canon M6 Mk2 in the same colors and roughly the same size.
It's actually "my personal camera" which I take everywhere in my purse with the silver pancake 22mm
Good evening. After using the SLR'S by first Pracktia, and then after much Saving the money too afford My Cherished Nikon FM2N & F3HP with great prime lenses. I simply could not afford The Leica System. However, I now own 2 Canon P & Canon 7. I use the Original Canon 50mm f/ 1.8 & along with A Jupiter 12 which....Just manages to fit.Great Rangefinder's! And ,a much more affordable entry into The Rangefinder Style. Such a remarkably well made documentary/ video. Many thanks and Kind regards Colyn.
I bought a Color Skopar 50 f2.5 a few years back, for a reasonable price. It went idle for quite some time, until I came to know the Canon P. Now they're glued to each other and to a Domo lightmeter, like siamese triplets. Excellent review!
I’m happy with the Canon 50/1.4 but I’m still considering buying the Color Skopar because it’s operation seems much more adapted to my shooting style (it has smaller focus throw, in particular). How do you like yours?
@@SimonGarnier it focuses very fast, on account of its short focus throw and finger tab. So fast, actually, that you have to slow down a little as the rangefinder baseline of the Canon P is short, making it a little easy to misjudge your focus point. All in all is my perfect companion, since it's the only model aside from de M3, that fits confortably (exactly) with a domo lightmeter in a chinese semi rigid box originally designed to store lens cleaning products.
@@ricardounterricht1114 I was considering the Nokton because it’s 1.5 and $100 less but not as compact. Beautiful lens thought
Like your videos on film cameras, wish you would do a review on the Nikon s3 2000
Thank you for all the videos. Love them. Could you please recommend the better 35mm focal length alternatives when we’re saying rangefinders? On a similar budget I mean 😊
Lovely camera
Great video guys! Only thing I noticed is you said Pentax didn't make any range finder lenses, they did make a special 43mm LTM lens!
AI, it’s always a revelation & enjoyable watching your videos on all things 📷. Your meticulous research, excellent presentation & genuine passion for photography are infectious & inspiring. Always looking forward to your tasty 📷 experience in your future videos. ✌🏼& 📸
Thanks so much for your lovely comment. This means a lot to us. Really nice of you.
Great Video..
I love my Canon P and use it with Canon 50mm f/1.8 lens. The only problem I have with Shueido is deciding what color combinations I like the most since they are all beautiful. Great video. Thank you for sharing.
Ha, that’s a real problem indeed :-)
Bro I got the same set as urs.
I paid £70 for mine, about 10 years ago, (which considering some of the prices I’ve seen the P selling for is a steal), in mint condition, from Japan. I use a Jupiter 2, 35mm f/2.8 lens, I also have a couple of Jupiter 8 50mm f/2 lenses which are very capable.
It’s built like a tank, a real solid chunk of metal!
Yes ! A robust and beautifully designed camera .... Also the Canon 50mm 1.4 is maybe my favorite lens . When I take out my M3 it is more times than not wearing the Canon 50 lens ...... I doubt my 'P' which I've had for about ten years has ever been CLA'd and it works just perfectly .......
I only needed to adjust the rangefinder once. Never had any issue since. The Canon P is a workhorse!
great video! I'm in the process of getting one and I'm hoping I don't have trouble seeing the 35mm framelines like you said since I wear glasses haha wish me luck!
In 1959 US camera magazine ads
for the P featured the P/50mm 2.8 as under $200 list price (though you could buy them for less in many large camera stores.)
Such a great video! Alles gute aus Virginia!
I love my Canon P👏🏻😎📸🍀
Personally, I think Canon P is the best modern-looking Canon screw mount rangefinders. Canon 7 may be technically better, but I'm not a big fan of the big selenium meter on the top :D
The same
Shueido, Cameraworks-uk, Enzo Patagonean are in repaint job and I'm sure there are a lot of more. They have all sorts of different services but I must say shueido is the most expensivest one. Enzo's job on barnack leicas is just stunning... Also Cameraworks Uk was doing other modifications like Hanta Black inner repaint for M leicas (for glare problem etc.). So check for price before deciding since you can get better deals for the same service guys... ;)
I’ve bought repaint camera from SHUEIDO before, I think the price depends on what camera model it is. For their expertise on Canon P and the quality for the paint, I think the price is quite fair to me.
@@hsien-huayu5966 I asked repaint for a IIIF and a VIOOH and they said the body repaint fee and brassing process plus leather skin replacement will be US$1400.
and the repaint fee for VIOOH US$500... I literally copied and pasted what they wrote to me.
Well thanks a lot. Now I also want a Canon P!
Excellent video! I purchased a Canon P with the 50mm 1.4 last year. This has become my favorite film camera. Certainly the most beautiful camera I own, but also the best feel and handling. Easy to calibrate the rangefinder. The 50 1.4 lens makes beautiful images. One of the best values on the used camera market and you can still find excellent examples (camera and lens) for under $500 US.
I agree. I never regretted purchasing that same combo and will probably never part with it voluntarily.
Yeah man can't agree no more. I grabbed mine for 430$ (although the Len is 50 f1.8) but it still turned out great.
I really enjoy all your evaluations. Have done any cameras from the DDR like Exaktaand Werra? What are your feelings on the Aus Jena lenses?
I am canon p owner(18 months) , paired with a canon serenar 35mm 2.8 ( an equally beautiful and classical lens , (the Serenar range of lens for the most part look the part )) and a also a Jupiter 135mm ... its a beautiful and quality camera ... it costs £1000 + less than a Leica , its a bargain , that will not be a bargain for long ,, these cameras will get more expensive ... is ridiculous they can be bought for less than £200 .. I also have a doomo light meter , and it works nicely with the camera , really does fit the look and feel .. if you want a really nice rangfinder , you can do much worse than a canon p .. the lens choice is up to you from £30 Russian lenses to £3000 Leica lenses , ... the shiedo company make some beautiful options , I think they are snapping up all the p's ... I am so impressed with my P , am really thinking about getting a vi-l and vi-t too...
I have the P and just bought a vi-l. For me, they are the gold standard for Canon RFs.
I just got interested about Canon rangefinders like a week ago or so and am now digging all information and thinking to get one for myself. So what a huge coincidence that this video was posted right now at this time! 🙂I see that basically all cameras for sale online right now are either from Shueido or they're located in Japan, but there are very few for sale in Europe. I guess that these cameras were originally made in a time before European (especially German ...) buyers really got into Japanese cameras.
I believe that there is a fair bit of them in the US as well due to the American soldiers based there after WW2.
@@SimonGarnier That’s right. A lot of the US cameras have a red EP stamp on them which was generally the export model sold at the military exchange. My 50/1.4 has that marking.
@@SimonGarnier Yes, true! I remember that when I was young in the early 90’s, I wanted to buy a used Nikon F and during a visit to the U.S. I was overwhelmed about the much lower prices and massive numbers of secondhand F’s on sale literally at any camera shop. But it’s the same story there: in Germany, the original Nikon F went on sale when Germans still were sticking to the domestic camera manufacturers…
Some additional notes on the Canon P:
FYI: The large viewfinder magnification on the Canon P makes the 35mm frame lines unusable for photographers wearing glasses as you cannot see them in their entirety, with potentially areas outside the frame lines as well.
Yes, that is very true. It’s hard enough without glasses to seem them all at once. Luckily for me, I mostly shoot with my 50mm lens, so it’s not an issue. And I use my 35mm lens with a VT Deluxe instead.
I also struggle to see the 50mm.... =(
I shoot with a P, wear glasses, and have learned to cope with it. Just relax, look straight forward, and (key point) keep both eyes open. Thanks to the 1:1 magnification, your brain will superimpose the two views together, and the 35mm frameline will manifest itself at the edge of your peripheral vision. It works (mostly) - if you want to be positioning compositional elements at the exact edge of the frame, you probably shouldn't be shooting an RF camera anyway!
If that doesn't work out for you, here's another little-known option: originally, viewing eyepieces for the P were available in five different diopters, and you could change them just by removing the set screw in the black plastic rectangular surround, shifting it sideways a bit, and lifting it off. Inside you'll see that the actual eyepiece is a simple round lens that is trimmed down and cemented inside the black plastic frame. I admit I haven't tried this myself (yet) but if you're willing to splash out a bit of money at your local optician's shop, I'll bet it would be fairly easy to get a custom eyepiece lens made to your exact prescription, so you can use your P (and see the 35mm frame) without using glasses…
素晴らしい動画！そしてカッコいいカメラ📷。
Nice movie! And so cool camera.
The early Cosina Voigtlander Skopar LTM lenses from the 90s are wonderful for the smaller Canon P and L cameras. I have 50/2.5, 35/2.5 and 21/4 and they all have a wonderful look and form factor on these bodies and have modern coatings. The 50/2.5 was the hardest to find in the US and when you do it's often as expensive as the 50/1.5 Nokton. So find a clean Canon 50/1.4 and enjoy it's Planar style rendering. The other Skopars are more common and generally under 400 USD.
I have the 35/2.5 as well (we used it for a few pictures in this video) and I use that lens a lot with my VT Deluxe. I could not find the 50/2.5 at a good price and settled instead for the Canon 50/1.4 for my Canon P. I don't regret it one bit, I love that lense, even though it's not the most ergonomic one.
@@SimonGarnier I like the 50/1.4 quite a lot. I wish it could be rehoused because I find the ergonomics maddening too. Might be time to draw something up for 3D printing!
I just got the 50/1.5 Nokton off FB marketplace, was surprised at the size on my Canon L2, but at the same time, it's lighter than my Canon 50mm LTM 1.8 in all chrome.
I have a p and a 7, I have the 50/1.4 was thinking about getting the voigtlander 21mmf4 color skopar.
@@tomallen6073 The 21 and the 25 seem to have sold well enough to find on the used market. The 28/3.5 is much harder to find.
If you find the 21mm with no finder you can do what I did and buy the TTArtisans one. It's very bright and large and only costs about $50 shipped from China.
I love my Canon P as a daily street shooter and a very good travel camera. I have the Canon 50/1.4 ltm but the Canon 35/2 ltm is practically glued to my camera as it's so good for street photography. That said, every time I use the 50/1.4 I'm so impressed with the quality and rendering especially for close-up detail shots. I doubt that my P had ever had a CLA in it's 60+ years, and since it had a few small issues, I invested in a very good quality CLA and the thing now runs like a fine watch. A good CLA to extend the life for many more years and for buttery smooth operation makes a world of difference. Also the original lens hoods help to reduce flare and improve micro contrast. Thanks for the video!
I have the original hood for the 50/1.4 but stopped using it recently. For some reason, it has always annoyed me to see it take so much space in the viewfinder.
@@SimonGarnier Agree that it does create a fair bit of viewfinder blockage but if you can get used to that, it really improves the performance. It's a personal choice of course but yes I know, it's a bit annoying.
@@john_murch I think I enjoy the shooting experience more than the final images to be honest (I sometimes keep exposed film for months in my fridge before thinking of developing it). Anything that gets in the way of that, I tend to eliminate if I can.
Hey! Where did you get yours CLA’d?? Also, i’ve heard 35/2 lenses have pretty crappy tolerances. Any thoughts?
@@SimonGarnier It really is a joy to shoot!
I haven't seen your videos for some time cos I am not a subscriber. I ALWAYS find your videos to be of exceptional quality. I am afraid I have given up on film images. One reason is I am really not that good at taking images besides taking analogue images takes even more skills to produce more than adequate good-looking images, whereas digital images are not so much.
Personally, I like the Canon 7 better than the Canon P. I think the Canon P suffers from more hype and popularity right now, inflating prices the camera and making it a worse value. I like that the Canon 7 has switchable frame lines for 35, 50, 85, 100, and 135mm lenses. I think this allows for a much less-cluttered viewfinder when using the camera. I know that the built-in selenium meters on Canon 7 cameras may no longer work, or work accurately, so these may be of limited value. And that the presence of the selenium meter means that the Canon 7 does not have an accessory shoe for mounting other viewfinders or new shoe-mount light meters. But I still think the Canon 7 is the best value Canon rangefinder.
But ugly as sín. Get a Canon Accessory Coupler for it; makes it more functional and even uglier! De gustibus non disputandum est.
@@shoefantasia1412 I could not care less how "ugly" some people think the Canon 7 looks. In fact, being seen as "ugly" actually works in my favor because it means Canon 7 is cheaper by virtue of being less desirable. I'd rather buy an ugly camera that represents a much better value, than pay more for essentially the same thing with a prettier face. My priority is the bang for the buck, and with that in mind, it'll probably really piss you off that I use cheap Soviet LTM lenses on my ugly Canon 7.
@@shoefantasia1412ugly is very subjective, there's a lot more important factors if your interest is using the camera to take pictures instead of showing off. For that leica is a much better route anyways
The Canon 50/2.2 was made for the P and matches its design.
The Canonflex was a good camera, but quirky design. The lens mount was super fiddly, and the lenses suffered from mechanical issues which cut the production life short. The Nikon F was superior in every way, the SLR to own! The 1955 and later Canon rangefinders were truly superb. Not to mention innovative with great useful features and hinged back making loading far easier. Build quality is impeccable!
You should buy the sound bites in the description!
What’s the 80s sounding sound bite in this video ?
I never had a Canon Range Finder..But I have a superlative Nikon S3, a Contax IIa and IIIa
Awesome review, I love the canon p, it really is an excellent camera, especially the finder. But I’ve got to know, what is the song in the beginning?
Thanks for your kind feedback. The song in the beginning is called "Tree Tops" by Autohacker and can be found here on Epidemicsound: www.epidemicsound.com/track/OfCOsC2Lwu/
@@AnalogInsights thank you. You inspired me To get my canon P out today and will listen on a photo walk!
I ask for your advice. Now I'm interested in VL , VI-L , P . Which one do you think is the most complete? (I secretly like the VL more because it doesn't have the word Canon on the front, which is like the M2 M3 ).
Which one do you think has the least disadvantages? The best material. thank you for the advice
Not to be that person, but Pentax actually did release a LTM mount lens. It was a special edition of their iconic 43mm f1.9 lens. I think it would look quite fabulous on the P.
But I don't want to spend more money this year! ;-)
Thanks for letting me know. I wasn't aware of that. :)
Thanks for the excellent video. I was looking at getting a canon 7, but maybe the P is a better choice. Less to go wrong with no built-in light meter.
Effectively, the Canon 7 becomes almost like a Canon P once the selenium light meter loses too much of its precision over time. I also find that the aesthetic of the P is cleaner without the light meter, but that’s my personal taste.
I had a 7, sold it, it's heavy, meter didn't really work and the advance was stiff. Love my P, it's perfect.
@@myoung48281 Thanks for the comment!
I have the Canon P and LOVE it but…..be careful they have incredibly weak metal shutter curtains that are impossible to fix if they are dented or rip.
Oh man, I think the Canon P is LOADS sexier than the 7
Superior video 👍🌟🌟🌟👍
Great review and accurate "warning" about Shueido's instagram feed - danger zone for those who suffer from gear acquisition syndrome.
I almost bought one after Max showed me their store. It took a lot of strength to NOT click on the purchase button :-)
Another great review, thank you! I have to ask, what rangefinder would you suggest for a glasses wearing 35mm focal length shooter:- who on occasion shots with 50mm lens?
I also have a Canon VT Deluxe which I shoot exclusively with a 35mm lens. I have tried it a few times with my glasses and it was fine. The viewfinder has 3 positions: 35mm, 50mm, and "precision focusing" (roughly 100mm I would say). I believe it has the same viewfinder as the VL/VL2 if you prefer a traditional film advance lever rather than the trigger winder of the VT.
@@SimonGarnier , thanks. That’s useful to know!
@@ImperfectPhotography You're welcome.
Always makes my day when a new Analog Insights arrives. I’m a M42 guy, but just from a learning perspective, I always enjoy your videos.
For a 35 guy who wears glasses it is tough to beat a Leica M2.
Failing that a V Series Canon (as previously advised) would be your best bet if you dont use a 100, if you do then a VI-L or VI-T.
While I have the Canon 7 there is a "P" on sale for 300 euro, is it worth it ? thanks.
We’re these cameras originally sold in the US? Just about all I see on eBay are from Japan.
I find my Canon P is easier to hold securely over my Leica MP. Sadly, the swivel tip of the rewinding knob broke off of my Canon P copy. I got mine from Shueido. Beautiful tourquoise blue with brown leatherette.
Sorry to hear that. The rewind crank is beautifully designed but I agree that it feels like the weakest part of the camera overall. I’ll be even more careful now.
@@SimonGarnier Yes. Take care in winding.
from which you buy this camera 📷
Would you be able to do a review on the 35mm Voigtlander. Im having trouble finding any information on it. Thank you.
Thanks for your comment. Simon and I intend to shoot another review of the Canon VT Deluxe shooting primarily the 35mm Voigtländer lens. This should give you some more solid images. Based on your comment, we are also considering doing a short review. Let's see what will be possible time-wise. Thanks a lot for the hint in that direction. :)
@@AnalogInsights Thank you! I actually just purchased a Canon P and Canon 35 f2. But knowing about other 35mm options would still be interesting.
@@kevin.itruth6880In ltm it is tough to beat a Canon 35/2.
Nikon was originally just an optics company so the early Canon's used Nikkor lenses. Only after the war did Nikon start to make cameras and Canon lenses.
Only one thing that stops me from using my beautiful Canon P is that : if you don't look directly into the rangefinder (aka looking in with an angle) you might screw up your focus. It's such a shame because pretty much everything else about this camera is perfect
Weird. I don’t have that issue with mine. Are the RF patches misaligned by any chance? Mine was knocked off vertically for a while but it was an easy fix in the end.
Even in the 1970's, M-Series Leicas were way too pricey for this poor college student, so I searched Shutterbug Ads for the Canon P. It was sompletre with clip-on Selenium cell, 50mm f/1.8 Canon and brown case. It hasn't needed a yearly CLA that the M-Series Leicas seem to need, and it barely drew a second glance "on the street." Having saved money buying the Canon P, I spent that on a Canon 28mm f/2.8 and 105mm f/2.5 Nikkor lenses and film, instead.;)
Incorrect about Pentax not producing rangefinder lenses, it was significantly later, but they did release the 43mm/1.9 in LTM in short quantities
Thank you for your feedback. Somebody already pointed that out though. :)
@@AnalogInsights I didn’t read all the comments first, you tend to get a lot of them. But as always, great video!
@@highlander200107 Thanks. All good, just meant to point you to the existing discussion. :)
I wear glasses for distances, but close up I don't. Would it still be worth it the get the Canon P? Presently I'm still enjoying my Canon AE-1 and the Program.
Probably not necessary. Especially if you are happy with your current setup.
Whats the book in the video?
So what is a better rangeFinder for 35 (and below)? I used to use the P ages ago but now crappy eyesight hence tohe glasses
I mean Thankyou for the amazing review of my first love.. was about to buy another but that statement worries me.. can’t be that bad surely?
As a long time Canon RF collector, let me add a couple of points. Viewfinder. It looses the complex and costly shifting optics finder common to the prior series of bodies and in the 7/7S. The result is a view cluttered with multiple frame lines, which is off putting. On the other hand, the semi-silvered mirrors in the more complex finder system tend to fade or flake over time, which can dim the basic view and impair the shifting frame lines. Pick your poison. Shutter. The P shares the fairly radically redesigned shutter also used in the 7 and 7S. The problem is that shutter operates under much greater spring pressures than the traditional Leica-type shutter design used by Canon in prior models. The basic operation is very durable, but over time the high speeds slow down to the point where they cannot be restored by normal adjustment. No repair parts are available, and nearly all repairmen will refuse to work in that shutter. The shutters in models VI and earlier are easy/cheap to work on and repair as necessary.
Thank you so much for your comment. Very interesting additions. I really appreciate it.
I used to find that the 100mm frame lines were annoying when shooting with my 50mm lens. But then I figured out that I could use them as approximate rule-of-third indicators and, since then, I have used them a lot to help me with my compositions (when the rule-of-third applies, obviously). I also rarely use my 35mm lens with this camera and instead use my VT Deluxe for that.
Good to know about the slowing down of the higher speeds. I think that the problem hasn’t manifested with my camera (yet?) but I’ll certainly keep an eye on it now that you said that. Thanks!
@@AnalogInsights I had my CLA done in Japan (see my above comment). Everything can be restored according to spec including the shutter timings (as was done on my Canon P) and this repair business is even able to make custom parts if required. My repair was smooth and painless with good communication via e-mail throughout the repair process. They are ex-Leica trained and authorized technicians, JCH did a behind the scenes video on this business a few years ago, it's really worth a watch.
I have an L which has the gold color rangefinder patch and it’s held up incredibly well. Nearly as bright as my M. But no parallax correction in those models and that has stung me a time or two.
@@SimonGarnier I made an IG post with a few comments on my Canon P repair (April 26, 2021, see the photo, black suit businessman and a red lantern in an alley). Have a look at my comments if you feel inclined, it may offer some useful information on Canon rangefinder repairs. Thanks.
Why is it that the colors of the images you’re shooting are so muted?????
Schöner passender Kameragurt. Was ist das für ein Kameragurt ...?
Der Gurt ist von CKMike auf Etsy: www.etsy.com/shop/CKMikeStudio
Hoffe, dass das hilft. :)
@@AnalogInsights Dankeschön für die schnelle Rückantwort.
Do you have to blur the faces in Germany when you take "street" photographs?
Yes, to be on the safe side, it is recommendable to do that when publishing images in a fashion as we do here (in Germany).
In the 1980s and 90s, I was much into collecting and using Canon RF equipment. I never acquired a P. At the time, it was a lesser model but sold for a relatively high price. After I recovered from the mania, more recently the P was selling for practically nothing. Now with all of the hype, ala this video included, its prices are back up. As a collector, you should have a P. As a user, perhaps not the best choice. Why? The finder. It is the only Canon RF model which crowds its three frame lines into one fixed view, i.e., its view is cluttered and distracting. Not terrible, but far from the best available. It did let Canon sell the body more cheaply, but that cost advantage no longer applies in the used market. The Shutter. For the P, 7 and 7S, Canon introduced a new focal plane shutter made of steel foil. This presented a lot more mass to be moved, so the shutter was redesigned to higher operating tensions than previously. The result is that over time, the operating springs loose strength and the shutter slows. This can be adjusted to a point, but many of these shutters long ago weakened to the point where the high speeds cannot be adjusted to operating specification. I spent a lot of money for a CLA of my 7 with the best guy in the US for this work, and he gave me a table of the true operating speeds and told me to live with it. A true repair requires parts which have not been available for 40 years. So what to do? Consider a VIT or VIL. They use the traditional cloth, Leica-like shutter Cannon used for all models prior to the P. Easy to adjust; easy to repair; better view finder; and these days, not that much price difference.
No, the VI-T and VI-L use metal shutter curtains. The real weakness of the P is its low RF EBL (41mm); so really not usable with. 100/2 or 50/1.2. The 50/1.4 is borderline particularly at close focus distance.
Whatever you said is very informative and correct except the Taiwanese repainting service because they are rude and not responsive at all, their prices are also super expensive though.
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whats the name of that book?
Peter Dechert, Canon Rangefinder Cameras 1933-68
Canon P is soo sexy.. would you know if using 28mm is possible? I mean... going outside of frame-lines, would it still be doable/practical?
No, the 35 frame almost fills the view on a P.
15:50 Mit beiden Augen Fotografieren? Natürlich!
Gemeint ist an dieser Stelle natürlich mit beiden Augen geöffnet während man mit dem einen dank der 1:1 Vergrößerung ohne Probleme durch den Sucher blicken kann.
I LOVE CANON… but why are you whispering 🤔
He's loud and clesr ...
Note! All Canon RF I've seen had horrible wrinkles on shutter curtains..see even this one! no images! Stupid review.
Your audio sucks. Eq that annoying low end out. You're phasing too because of bad audio. Sounds like 2 voices. Terrible! This should be a lesson on not what to do with audio.
Sounds gorgeous to me.
Lovely camera