Inaugural Intercity Train Copenhagen - Hamburg with German IC1 Rail Cars in First Class
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- Train: DSB Intercity Train IC 1193
From: Copenhagen Central Station (Københavns Hovedbanegård), Denmark
To: Hamburg-Hauptbahnhof, Germany
Route via: København, Ringsted, Great Belt Fixed Link (Storebæltsbroen), Odense, Little Belt Bridge (Lillebæltsbroen), Kolding, Tinglev, Padborg(Gr), Schleswig, Rendsburg High Bridge (Rendsburger Hochbrücke), Neumünster
Train occupancy: around 75%
Ticket booked on on: bahn.de
Ticket fare: DB Sparpreis Europa (EUR 72,90)
Travel class: First Class
Car no.: 12
Seat no.: 56
Seating car type: IC mod Avmmz 106 (with 9 compartments and 54 seats)
Train operator in Germany: DSB (Danske Statsbaner), DB Fernverkehr (Deutsche Bahn)
Travel day: Saturday, May 17, 2023
Scheduled travel time Copenhagen - Hamburg: 5 hours and 3 minutes
Scheduled departure time from København H: 09h02
Scheduled arrival time in Hamburg-Hauptbahnhof: 14h05 cet
Electric locomotive (Copenhagen - Hamburg): DSB EB 3214
Locomotive type: Siemens Vectron, constructed in 2021, Munich
0:00 Preview Summary
2:03 Ringsted - Copenhagen
4:24 Copenhagen Main Station
6:48 Exploring Intercity1 Train
10:01 Departure from Copenhagen
11:31 Copenhagen-Ringsted High-Speed Railway
13:33 Door Drama in Ringsted
15:18 Great Belt Fixed Link
18:00 Odense, Funen
19:03 Little Belt Bridge
20:40 Tinglev
21:54 Padborg
23:26 Border Denmark/Germany
24:35 Rendsburg High Bridge
27:15 Hamburg Hauptbahnhof
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That they are introducing IC1 trains here and that these are also still running Amsterdam-Berlin is indeed funny, and their AC issues are indeed notorious, but in my opinion they are a major improvement over the DSB trains that ran until now just due to the capacity they offer.
Yeah, but their online ticket portal for these trains is full of issues. You cannot see that a departure on your selected class is sold out, until you've made 2-3 clicks. Many of the departures just outright fail to continue, when you try to purchase tickets for them. And you can, allegedly, book 6 months in advanced, from today till 28. december, which you can choose, but then it just says error, and you can actually only book until 9. december. On top of that, these new coaches were supposed to give way more capacity, but most of the trips during the sommerperiod, where the booking demand has been an issue, are already sold out, again, and every single train is always delayed, sometimes by 30 min or more. This just shows why the DSB need competition to improve their services, cause right now it's just crazy bad, granted this is by far their most profitable route, so their planned 500 seats every hour in each direction service on this route cannot come soon enough, but is supposed to be delayed as much as till 2030...
@@ncard00 The Dec 9 deadline might be a German constraint, as this is the day of the annual large timetable change. Two out of the four routes leaving Hamburg northwards (Hamburg-Lübeck and Hamburg-Kaltenkirchen) will be undergoing quite a lot of construction in the next two years. Most likely it has not yet been decided where exactly to fit in the Hamburg-Copenhagen IC.
Furthermore, Hamburg Hbf and the tracks between Hamburg and Elmshorn are badly lacking capacity, so there is exactly no margin for problems, thus also the German part is very difficult to operate on
The Bvmmz/Bvmmsz cars (the 2nd class cars with compartments) were built between 1988 and 1990, not in the 1970s...
Were my favorite wagons in the first variant.
Thank you for this! I hope this train is a big success!!
I love the IC1 trains, they disappear step by step unfortunately. Of course a broken AC is annoying but I like the generous interior design. And it feels more like travelling in a classic train.
I totally agree! The ICE is too much trying to be like an airplane. Although I don’t like the first class seats in the IC. They are not very comfortable for long trips.
@@scrambaba I don't know a single aspect of IC1 cars, that poses as an advantage over new ICEs. They are louder, slower and have more malfunctions than their replacements. The only downside of new trains is the classification of Twindexx sets as InterCity...
@@powgames I have been in several ICEs in which the AC has malfunctioned but never an IC. Marginally slower, but so what? Louder, perhaps marginally but again no significance. At one time the seats were more comfortable in IC but this is changing as DB deupholsters their train seats. As the commenter points out the IC still seems like a classic train, not trying to be an airplane on the ground. What are Twindexx sets? Do you mean the so-called IC2? Now those seriously suck…
@scrambaba What does "trying to be an airplane" even mean? And from 200 to 300 is not "marginal". Btw, what you've experienced does not match with what many others have. Especially new models have more consitently working ACs. And yes, i specified Twindexx, because Stadler Kiss IC2 are significantly better in every aspect except capacity maybe.
@@powgames 300 is completely unnecessary for probably 95% of passengers‘ needs. If you enjoy riding the train you will agree that der Weg ist das Ziel and in fact one neither needs nor wants to get wherever at 300 instead of 200 kph. I don‘t know about twindexx vs Stadler, I bet all IC 2 are suitable for the regional context only. Many rail fans seem to have internalized the corporate worldview of DB as their own. Never understood how DB‘s sustained assault on a once- proud rail service could be embraced by anybody that loves rail travel…
As always, doc7austin's are simply the best train rides videos on YT!
Enjoyable video, many thanks. We travelled from London to Bellinzona by train last September and met all manner of delays and cancellations on DB and SNCF rails. riced in Bellinzona 5 hours late after our SBB train from Cologne down the Rhine to Basel was cancelled at Karlsruhe without warning. Had to switch to a DB ICE1 which then stopped at Offenberg.
As always a great video, top qualitiy. I liked the sublime footage of the imposing Rendsburg bridge, Top again
I took this train just last Sunday, the 05:07 departure from Copenhagen. It was severely delayed for 40 minutes when departing from Padborg, and I missed my connecting train to ICE to Koln right in front of my eyes. When this train arrived on platform 11, just across this train, my next ICE train departed from platform 12. 😑
I slept most of the time during the ride, but I noticed that the train stopped for quite a long time midway after Odense. And at some point, I saw some track works on the side of the rail. And from this video, I just realized it was only a single track on the way toward Padborg. No wonder it got severely delayed.
And I just knew that this trainset is actually a new trainset. And there were very few passengers as well. I think their ticketing system was not updated to the new capacity when I bought my ticket, since the ticket was almost sold out at that time for my schedule. And I should have chosen the compartment seat instead. It looked really fancy. Hahaha
I will definitely ride this train again going to Copenhagen. 1000KM++ train from Copenhagen to Brussels is definitely a fun experience (despite the drama of the delay lol)
I enjoy watching your train videos, Please keep producing more. Looking forward to more Adventures
Yeah the IC1 carriages are as of right now only planned to be in service until december 2024. DSB finally got their first Talgo 230 train out of the initial 8 consists (out of a total expanded order of 16) delivered earlier this month, and the plan as far as I know is to start using them on a domestic line from Copenhagen to Fredericia in August to get all the kinks ironed out and staff trained before transferring to the Hamburg service at the timetable change in December.
By the way, one year after that, in December 2025, DSB intends to start using these Talgo trains on a once per day service from Copenhagen all the way to Amsterdam. A brand new route which will take 9.5 hours to complete (Supposedly 7.5 hours once the Fehmarn Belt Fixed link is completed). It's made possible since the Czech Railways, Ceske Drahy will be extending their Prague-Hamburg train to Copenhagen at the same timetable change and replace one of DSB's services, therefore allowing DSB to allocate one of their sets to this new route.
Copenhagen might end up seeing a LOT of new long distance trains in the coming years Of course Prague and Amsterdam like I just mentioned, but DSB and SJ are also both looking at establishing a service from Copenhagen to Oslo with supposedly 4 trains a day planned for now (3 by SJ with Alstom Avelia Stream EMU's and 1 by DSB with Talgo 230). Additionally DB expanded their own order of ICE-L trains by Talgo (which are basically identical to DSB's apart from having a Dining car which DSB's won't) to 79 consists and in doing so announced they also intend on running trains to Copenhagen. The 2 kinds of services that immediately jump to mind are to Berlin and to Cologne. Berlin because the line to there from 2025 onwards requires all non regional trains to go 230, whereas DSB's locomotives can only go 200. And Cologne because that is already a slow route by ICE standards and because it's popular for business travel and since Cologne is a major railway hub.
And to top it all of I havent even mentioned open access operators. The Dutch company GoVolta also plans to launch a Copenhagen to Amsterdam train in 2025. And Snälltåget will also start running daytime trains from Malmö via Copenhagen South to Hamburg in 2025 along with domestic open access services to Aarhus in 2027 when the line to there is electrified. SJ will likely do the same as they've been eyeing Open access running on Danish soil for several years.
precious info, thanks!
Lovely video... especially the part over the bridge. Magnificent views 😎🇸🇪
thanks; yes, a beautiful rendsburger hochbrücke
It's a pity that SJ never managed to operate their X2000 between Malmö and Hamburg. They talked about it for years. Would have been a fine alternative to DSB/DB
But there never was 200kmt allowed speed limit anywhere along the route in Danmark 180kmt and Germany 160kmt until this year . So the SJ company would not get their money'$ worth using this x2000 train .
@@lassepeterson2740 That is true, the tilt would not be useful, and the tilting mechanism adds weight which increases track wear and access costs. At least this year SJ finally has a night train, but it's not good enough.
@@epender SJ night train is good enough for me . Dont make it worse tho.
They would still operate on the same infrastructure and encounter a lot of the same problems sadly
@@heinzmeier2 That is exactly why train companys cannot really compete freely with each other regardless of regulations . The one who owns and runs the tracks aka infrastructure or fixed guideway if you will , becomes the monopoly of all trains .
Very good video!
Thank you for this fascinating video. A shame the air conditioning was faulty, but hopefully the coaches will settle down as the summer passes !
Why not they running X31 electric multiple unit at Copenhagen - odense - Hamburg route when they run it Copenhagen - Malmo - Gothenburg. That X31 emu looks so modern.
Can anyone explain?
because they do not have the German safety system pzb
I really like the IC3-Trains, in my opinion they are very comfortable, sound nice and have excellent ride quality for a diesel powered train. But I agree that it is nonsense to run diesel powered trains on this long journey, where there is caternary everywhere.
So these 'new' trains are a good alternative and are also boosting passenger capacity. The IC1-cars consist of a lot of different types, but most of them I think are very comfortable and cosy. Everytime I get the chance to take these cars I enjoy it.
What I can not understand is the fact, that the door control does not work. When pulled by a class 101 locomotive, these cars can definitely be controlled to allow opening of the doors on just one side. And I think there must be a solution to make this feature work together with the Vectron...
These old coaches are meant to be a stop-gap until new Talgo coaches are delivered to DSB 2024. These will be low-floor and will have control cars at the end. Hopefully these trains are spacious enough and comfortable.
i was there working at the coach yard in copenhagen where we were preparing the IC1 train early morning that exact day. The first IC1 to get into service. XD. it was a bit chaotic but a fun story when we ran into a problem with the train right before we were supposed to send it out. At the end, the command post decided to send the IC3s instead which we saw in the video. I find it pretty cool that a passanger has made a video about the experience XD.
oki; thanks for the information; there was no information that this IC3 was travelling to Hamburg
Bistro cars weren't included in the lease
I would love to see Deutsche Bahn order Viaggio Comfort sets to replace the Eurocity. Excitingly, it has now become Talgo 230 units, as in Denmark. Only the people at DB know whether replacing all IC1s with ICEs is a good solution. I would have replaced Eurocity with Viaggio Comfort and Talgo 230. I still don't understand why the IC to Copenhagen didn't come earlier, there was an ICE relation for a while. Nice video from my home and greetings from Hamburg :)
I’m visiting Copenhagen next Tuesday, can I ride on an electron on a zone 1-4 ticket?
Tariff connection point: Padborg (Gr). Therefore it shouldn't be a train at a global market price like those of the infamous Trenitalia. Do you confirm?
So much grafitti on the Danish trains.
That's true. I remember I took the S-train to Ishøj once and sat on a seat where the window was completely covered in pink spray paint. On the train back into the city, same thing...I'm 99% sure I sat on the same train 😂
Late question but what's going to happen with the Hamburg - Aarhus services now considering the line is only electrified till Fredericia?
Hanburg - Aarhus service has been axed permanently
Det er en flot video, men ærgeligt at den ikke en Creative Commons licenseret så man kunne uploade den på Wikimedia Commons.
When come the second part of the SJ EN BER-STK ?
in one week
@@doc7austin thx
Did the German Fed. Police control the Passports ? | By the Way thx again for a great Videotrip!
no; refugees usually do not move from denmark to germany; the refugee route is the other way around
2:58 Dont you mean 2 sleeper trains a night ?
Yes , Snälltåget and SJ
IC1 will end
I am just dying with the question of why this route doesn't have a scheduled stop in Flensburg?
Nobody likes it, that's why😊
because they do not want to have flensburg-hamburg domestic travellers on that train
@@doc7austin or Denmark-bound refugees, as I heard
still they would prohibit a domestic part of a route ticketing, like some examples in Poland
@user-wu4cw5ed5w germany basically has an open system; flexible tickets can be bought, which would then be valid on any train between flensburg and hamburg
It would have been nice to see facilities on the train and not only tracks
which facilities do you mean?
@@doc7austin was there Bistro car, toilets and other cars
i am not filming the public toilets on trains; there is no bistro car on that train; on danish soil a 7-eleven worker is handing out snacks and drinks
@@juhakeskinen1103 That's all mentioned in the underlay text
German efficiency right out the window.....
Germany efficiency was working perfectly in these cars for decades. But the lifespan of some of these cars ended 20 years ago and they were forcefully kept alive due to lack of replacement...
Doesn't seem much better than the DSB IC3 diesel trains that operate on that route, unless I'm missing something?
the IC1 service offers much, much more seating capacity
@@doc7austin speed is still a huge issue on this route I think. I took it once and it felt endless.
Main issue is that there is a lack of IC3 units elsewhere. In order to get the needed capacity they needed to get a temporary solution. And with the IC3s needing an ERTMS upgrade you will have the issue that they get the german system removed to make space for it. Therefore they either have to delay the signal upgrade or find an alternative to IC3s in Germany. The IC1 is a temporary solution until new wagons arrive in a few years.
IC3 is not electric that's all .
These trains are _temporary_ until new Talgo coaches are delivered some time next year.
why danish train IR4 looks different with that rubber nose?
how different? in relation to the IC3 ?
@@doc7austin no, no, with other european multiple unit trains why they have a flat front, not a classical aerodynamic front. for me look like regional train
IC3/IR4 multiple units are made to be walkthrough. The driver's desk and windshield are mounted in a large vault-like door.
Because both the IC3 and IR4 was made during a time when danish IC-trains covered almost every single branch line in the western part of the country. It used to be normal to have a train depart Copenhagen with trainsets to 3-4 different destinations. The rubber front allowed passengers to walk freely between the sets when coupled together, and DSB didn't have to have 3 or 5 conductors for a train with multiple trainsets. Back when there was still meal service onboard, they could easily move the food cart between the trainsets.
Rachel martin
Train
27:26: One hint: Never ever book any tight connections on Deutsche Bahn AT ALL!
A failing AC is a real bad thing. People can get heart issues because of that....
Such incident occured already
on a Flixtrain for the exact same reason.
Shame on DB & Flixtrain
yes; if you rely on AC, best to avoid any IC1 trainsets
Flixtrains generally do not feature ACs.
West German efficiency, at 15+ minutes behind schedule! hmmm...
I unsubscribed. A sad review full of frustration, at least do it entertaining.
I hate these IC1 coaches. We have them here in Romania aswell. AC never works well. Freakin stupid engineers who designed the windows on these coaches.
You have none of these in Romania. Romanian cars are self-built.
Normally the AC from these IC1 coaches work good , but only within Germany
@@markoobid2005 They are German built. But they look like junk.
Nothing against these Cars , there are just classic !!!!!!!!!!!!
@@stefanv9660 do you mean the old ex-Interregio cars of DB? They originally had no air conditioning, it was only added in CFR Grivita workshops.