Respecting Our Differences While Defending Religious Freedom
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2016
- A new series of dramatized videos produced by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints shows members how to navigate the landmine-laced terrain of the sensitive social and religious issues of the day.
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This is a wonderful video. I really like the message.
I love this! I feel that this how things like this should be handled. I have seen too many people inside the church and outside the church do what they did in the beginning or worse. I like how the church is showing by example albeit its a fictional example, it is still a great example of how one should react to those whose beliefs differ from yours. This is something I wish the whole church and frankly the world can look to. I hope this video is seen and appreciated for what is should a be.
I agree, but with the addition that it's hard to master one's emotions when you are a minority in an area filled with people that despise you. As a result, it is easy to become defensive. However, The Master has been clear on issues of civility and love, and so we all must become masters of our own emotions. That said, we should also have compassion for our brothers and sisters placed in slightly harsher environments.
As a gay man I appreciate this outreach. We are all trying to work together.
Great comment, brother Bucky. I so agree with you! God bless,
I'm an atheist and I approve this church's message 👍 Seriously, though. The best video on this subject. We do not need to try to convert/deconvert each other. We are all going to believe different things and diversity is crucial to the health of our society. We need each other, differences and all. That is so important.
I like how she said we should defend each other's right to think differently.
Her problem at first was, as she described to her Bishop, that she was trying to win and make the other girl lose. Any time we engage in anything that makes a winner and a loser, everyone will always lose. Maybe you'll lose less than your opponent, but the pride required to have an opponent in the first place will ultimately make everyone lose. So I'm glad she humbly sought to connect with the other girl, so they could both win together.
"Wherefore, he that preacheth and he that receiveth, understand one another, and both are edified and rejoice together."
- Doctrine and Covenants 50 : 22
I love what the Bishop said to her about what does it mean to her to "win" an argument.
I like the Bishop's counsel -- "But be patient, let the answers come to you."
And the funny thing is marriage is pre-Christianity, and yet they are the ones who believes it's up to they how it should be.
Monica Moore Smith is my all time favorite actress/singer!!! So happy they chose her!
Myranda, I just saw this. You are the sweetest. Thank you!
Excelent video! I know that God love's all his sons, we have to feel love for each other as much as we feel it for our selves and in that way reflect our Saviour Jesus Christ example to the world.
I love this too! It truly is about respect and allowing each other to live our beliefs respectfully.
i love this video. I also hope the next videos could give more examples on how to stand up for each other's rights
I LOVE this!!!!
This video really expanded my view on how to help others understand my beliefs and why I believe in them. We are all children of God so arguing with one another is not what should be done. I like the part where he says we have to keep our anger in check. It makes it a lot easier if we treat everyone like the amazing people they are.
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you :)
Great message..😘😇
Thank you , this has helped me lots and am not LDS ...Yet
this helped me out a lot
I love the story and we should respect people and always want to win the argument...but with our faith and prayers we find the answer to solve it in every situation 💗💗💗
that's when we have to pray and ask father what to do!
Great message!
I will respect that churches have the right to turn down marrying people in their church, but I hope they would respect people's right to get married at least civilly.
This highlights the real problem. Government has appropriated the religious institution of marriage. If governments did not grant benefits and make distinctions based on marriage (originally a religious institution), then there would be no reason to seek "civil" marriage. So long as the two are tied, then religious people have a reason to opposed a redefinition of marriage. Unlink the two, and religious people will have no reason to care what agreements other choose to engage in.
Love this video. Helped me in my seminary class. Great acting.
Who am I? Why am I like this? How did I build my identity? The answer to these three questions sheds light on our personal situation. Most people I know or meet are unaware of the path that has taken them away from The Truth. And the truth is that we must work energetically on our salvation through the cross, willy-nilly. And we have to make a reason, it is impossible to play on two tables. Sooner or later we must give up childhood toys to live as responsible adults but keep a child's heart.
Very good!
While I understand that people are free to believe anything they choose for the sake of believing, I want to pitch a higher standard: Have beliefs grounded in facts, truth, and evidence. By my reckoning, it appears to me more readily obvious, or evident, that there are genuinely homosexual men and women than the existence of a God. I believe these people love each other and seek out formal marriages to solemnize their relationship. On the other hand, things become less coherent when you place stock in a God whose plan for happiness and moral code does not seem to encompass or address gays in constructive or informative ways--at least as it has been articulated to me by the LDS Church. When you base beliefs on the whims and fiats of a diety, then you are the one building a house upon the sand.
this is also a moral issue based on 1000's of years of civilized society with man-woman marriage being the fundamental unit. Again all laws are based on people's values. Bigotry can go both ways.
There's nothing objectively immoral about being gay.
For the church, it is a matter of sexual purity and morality for BOTH gay and heterosexual individuals.
Good video with a good message, and I believe it is a step in the right direction. I still don't pretend to understand how the church can politically fight for measures that decrease the ability for people to use their agency (a core tenant of LDS belief), such as fighting against gay marriage, medical marijuana, or alcohol laws.
Good video. I have known many Mormons and they are nearly all intelligent thoughtful people. Though this is a fictionalized video, I think it portrays those qualities pretty well. I am glad to see a Mormon video that criticizes anti-LGBT discrimination in housing and employment.
Unfortunatly the video poorly glosses over the LDS church opposition to gay marriage. The LDS church is and should be free to preach whatever it likes, but in the case of Prop 8 it was promoting the use of law to enforce its religious rules on others. As the video says, we should all be free to live the way we want. A marriage is a legal document that protects a family and it should not be denied to LGBT families, just as the city charter for Nauvoo, Il should not have been denied to Mormons living there in 1845.
Comparing an extermination order which made it lawful to kill someone based on their religious beliefs is hardly akin to supporting traditional man-woman marriage. Church's are allowed to speak out on moral issues that impact society. The traditional family has been the bedrock of society and the best structure to raise children for 1000's of years. Marriage is a social institution. Redefining it destroys it and renders it meaningless. By definition marriage is between man and woman. This is the will of the people in a democratic society. The majority of the people support traditional marriage and voted for prop 8.
I never referred to a law about killing Mormons, only about the old city charter. The lesson remains: the will of the people should not overrule the rights of others. If enough citizens vote to close down a Mormon temple, it shouldn't make one bit of difference because our rights are more important than popular decision.
NineteenSpirits There is no such thing as genderless marriage. Marriage by definition is a conjugal relationship between a man and a woman. There is no "right" to gay marriage because it's not possible. For example, even if a woman claims a "right" to be a man, she is still a woman. You cannot change the intrinsic nature of your identity. The same goes with marriage. Uniting 2 gays can never be "marriage". Society can call it that, but it is a falsity. You can legislate to redefine it, but it does not change the eternal nature of it. No one is saying gays do not deserve equal dignity and cannot live how they want or don't deserve the same protections under the law, etc. which is conflating two completely different/separate issues.
That bishop's got some funky hair
This is so wonderful. I have had many similar one on one conversations. What we have in common is so much more than our differences. We all want a world where we can make our own choices without feeling ostracized for being ourselves (or following our conscience, etc). I
would love to see a similar video but in which Samantha shows how she should have reacted in the classroom environment; responding to criticism of religious belief in front of a crowd. Of course, these conversations always work best one-on-one, but how could she have deflected some of that animosity right away, while showing respect for others' opinions?
Great video!
This is a well intentioned video with an overall good message, but it defeats its own purpose in the example at hand. It presents Miki as a caricature of a prickly antagonistic atheist and Samantha as the frustrated, righteously indignant protagonist. Miki's viewpoint is presented as a weird straw man argument and doesn't address the most salient points of the issue. Samantha introduced a red herring or two into her conversation with Miki, which does nothing to improve the dialogue. Her false equivalence in the abortion analogy is equally perplexing. Finally, the video completely ignores the weaknesses inherent in Samantha's argument.
It should not be lost on the viewer that Samantha completely ignored Mika's main argument, that the LDS Church works directly to impose limitations of rights for all LGBT people based on its own religious beliefs. Samantha's statement, "I think we can stand up for each other by protecting everyone's rights" is ironic indeed.
This is an interesting viewpoint of the video; however, the main idea is well represented that there should be room in the public square for diverse beliefs in the marketplace of ideas in a free society. Reverse bigotry is becoming all too common.
This video does not address the issues you were hoping it would. That's fair. I hope you find the video you were looking for. If you do, please share it. I'd like to watch that one too.
EVERYONE has their version of morality and whats acceptable. Whether its backed by religion or not. To discard a view because it has religious ties is wrong.
Anyone that gave this a thumbs down...please explain to me why and how the message could have been better.
This makes the argument of letting people choose to not help gay person cuz of religion sounds like its letting everyone have a voice. But if you replace "gay" with "black, Asian, Jewish etc" then does it still make sense to you? Just checking. Keep the light on. With this logic you will be able to NOT help someone cuz of different color. Mmm How about stop seeing color or gender and give a little. Just a thought.
It all comes down to not making the lives of others harder, and telling gay men they can not marry makes it harder. Family does not have to be one man and one women
That said, declaring that certain people are forbidden to marry either civilly or religiously and telling a religious group that they are required to perform a marriage even if it's not in line with their teachings or beliefs both make people's lives harder. The latter is as much a violation of fundamental, inalienable rights as the former.
and again "others are wrong even in the way they discuss a matter" "we know how to discuss better" Church "teaches to learn" from others, but it is a false learning, cause at the end what matters is what the Church says, it is just, listen what they say, but keep believing the same. The best way to convince members that they are being tolerant and learning from others, but it is just a deaf listening process. what would be the unfairness of having equal marriage? would it change Mormon's beliefs or deny them their right to have their own consciousness? of course it will not, but rule others according the Mormon beliefs will clearly deny other realities and mute others beliefs.
I understand this is supposed to be "dramatized", but it's more "drama" than accurately representing the real discussion at hand.
qand the round goes to samantha
I imagine it'd be heartbreaking if someone were a Christian and gay, being turned down by their church to have its blessing on their marriage. I know some people who hold onto their faith even when their church does not support their livelihood, yet their church is such a big part of their life and means so much to them. I struggle to understand this from all angles.
On another note, the guy with the brown pants at 3:17 looks like the kid from the Baskin Robbins scene in Ant Man.
religion: definition, to link, to connect
gospel preaching new-agers, Love your enemy, pray for them and
Do Unto Others AS you would have them Do Unto Your-self. matthew ch 5,6,7
Really well representation of arguments. Well done.
Yes, I figure that the best way to win an "argument" is not with pride and contention in an attempt to vanquish the other person, but to humbly lovingly strive to unite with others around God and His love and truth and righteousness and such---to look for common ground and then try to build from there and come together. I sometimes learn valuable tidbits of truth even from my staunchest adversaries. And I've noticed that, when I'm clearly willing to listen to others and to concede when I'm proven wrong, then it may encourage others to do likewise. Again, our discussions should be about lovingly coming together in unity, not about all-out conquest. The difference in such attitudes may be subtle, but the difference in their results may be profound.
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Wow, I had no idea that they are making videos like this.
Who's the main actress in the red shirt? Looks so familiar...
toev I think she’s from the stop bullying video by the church a couple years ago
The problem I see with this video is how it casts Mormon believers as the persecuted. There is no Mormon persecution going on any where in our country. No one is trying to stop them from their beliefs, or stop them from getting married, etc.. They might get ridiculed for their stance on gay marriage, but that is mostly in response to the Mormon church voluntarily entering the political arena to pass laws that would make the rest of us follow their doctrine. The Mormons' push for anti-gay marriage laws was WAY more persecution than the church has been subjected to in modern day. Don't be surprised when those victimized by the persecution lash out. Do unto others... Oh, and not all pro-gay marriage proponents are atheist. That's another thing that bothered me about this clip.
Persecution of Mormons is nowhere near as violent or prevalent as it was in the 1800's; it's true. That said, it is not correct to say that it never happens at all. I remember growing up and being made fun of for my membership in the Church even over things that had nothing to do with gay marriage, abortion, or anything else that was controversial in any way except that it had to do with being a Mormon. Then I had to constantly deal with people going out of their way to either tell me that I was not a Christian because of X reason, or that I was delusional because of Y reason. And I'm not the only one - some of my fellow Mormons had to deal with all of that same stuff.
It got even worse when I was on my mission. Walking around with a white shirt and a name tag was like having a target on me, even for people we weren't trying to proselyte to, for people to shout slurs and insults, or attempt to try and show me why I was "wrong" and/or tell me what I believed (usually turned out to be a distorted version that was way off the mark). I did actually meet people both during and after my mission who were exactly like the woman in this video, without exaggeration. I was yelled at, cursed at, at one point even threatened. And I had it easy. I still remember after I came home learning about two cases (at least) of missionaries being literally murdered in cold blood. If that's not persecution, then I don't know what is.
I'm not saying that persecution of Mormons happens all the time. It doesn't. And I'm not saying that we're persecuted more than other groups like homosexuals, Muslims, or other groups. We're not. I'm just pointing out that to say there is no persecution of Mormons anywhere in this country is simply not true. However infrequently, or small in scale, it does happen.
Finally, I think you might have missed the point of this video. It wasn't meant as a piece of propaganda aimed at non-Mormons to promote Church doctrine regarding gay marriage or make non-Mormons feel sorry for us - if it were, I think it would have been released by a different channel, not by the Mormon Newsroom. Rather it was aimed at people like me who are already members of the Church, trying to help us understand how to have civil, non-confrontational discourse with people who may not share our opinions or beliefs without becoming argumentative or angry, using a hot button topic that comes up a lot in such discourses as an example.
It's a moral issue. Marriage is a social institution. Mormons only made up a very small % of the voters. Why were they singled out? Why the bigotry against Mormons?
Res Judicata Probably because we fall outside the mainstream, both inside and outside of Christianity, and we're really passionate about what we believe. Example, we see marriage (at least using Priesthood Authority) as a divine institution, not a social one, which is a large part of why most of us didn't support gay marriage, and also why so many of us put so much effort into finding a spouse. Another example is our belief that Jesus Christ still speaks to a Prophet today, and that that Prophet is the leader of our Church. None of these justify persecution or even derision, but it does make us different in a way that I think makes some people uncomfortable.
I like this video, but Samantha could use some debate tricks in how to counter someone and win over the opponent AND the audience. Did a search on debate techniques and ran across one called "How to win and Argument Every Time - Unlock the Door" on TH-cam. Another one I found was "How to Influence Others - How to Influence, How to Win a Debate, Change Minds and Changing People." There are 0 reasons to get into a heated exchange -- one just needs to know how the human mind works.
I rather figured the entire point of the video was that arguing and "winning" isn't the point.
Kind of like any other sort of persuasion (like missionary work)- demonstrate you care, seek to understand what they want / their ideals, identify common ground, and then find points upon which you can agree. There are times when about all that can be agreed upon is that it is not appropriate to kill each other, but often much more can be managed.
But none of that happens when one focuses purely on being right.
That was the point of the conversation with the bishop- to point out what was wrong with the initial conversation, which was a lot of arguing.
I think the whole point of the video is not winning, but finding mutual respect and understanding with those you might not see eye to eye.
But the point isn't to win an argument or even to win over the other person. It is to learn to respectfully explain ourselves and our beliefs with another person. In the end isn't it the way we treat the 'other' person that comes across more than our words? Our behavior can then invite the Spirit into the conversation.
"when we look at people we have to determine if theyre going to be an enemy or a friend" that's a very barbaric way of thinking
The way I understood that is acting in such a way that will make them a friend. In other words, to make friends not enemies.
This video feels good and the message is nice, however it does not match the legislation that is currently being debated in Congress. If the Church really believes THIS message, it should lobby against the current religious freedom bill and pledge to make sure discrimination in the workplace is protected and inclusive to all.
Which it has done.
Res Judicata
maybe you should tell them. www.lds.org/church/news/protecting-religious-freedom-is-a-divine-obligation?lang=eng
Christopher Roth Oh I see. Are you saying the bill doesn't protect LGBT? Is LGBT a "religion"? Are there not already other employment discrimination laws that protect LGBT?
Mormons believe in agency before anything else. It is the foundation of our religion. We believe what we believe as individuals. If we don't agree, we are free to disagree and stay or disagree and leave the Church. The Church exists just to help.
Tim Reid that is not true. The L.D.S church is a terrorist organization. I was an American citizen and they brutally forced themselves in my life. I was denied all of my constitutional and civil right's. Susan Nordhoff
Hundreds of thousands of people all thru out the United States, were held hostage by the L.D.S church. Listen, I was threatened at an L.D.S Camp Oakcrest for not giving my testimony. These people are un American and are terrorist. Thank God for the enternet. I couldn't go to a garden center without looking over my shoulder. I was petrified to even try on a pair of tap shoes. I lived in Fort Lauderdale and I was in my mid twenties. I had to tell my Uncle Ronald. Susan Marcile Nordhoff
In regard to gay rights, I am more concerned about individuals inside the church than outside it- particularly minors who don't have a choice whether or not to stay in the church. Although the church is getting better at not imposing their values on atheists and people of other faiths, there are so many kids whose parents force them to stay in the church. The doctrine they teach surrounding the LGBTQ+ community is extremely harmful and greatly contributes to the high teen suicide rate in Utah. A lot of the other things they teach inside the church, such as rules about modesty (specifically for women) can also leave lasting emotional (and sometimes physical) scars on youth. Overall, I agree with this video's message- that people of all political and religious beliefs should be able to come together and have honest discussion, while still respecting each other's beliefs. However, I believe that the church's teachings are still fatally affecting gay youth.
Hi Emma, thanks for your comment. We believe that God loves all His children. He loves those of different faiths and those without any faith. He loves those who suffer. He loves the rich and poor alike. He loves people of every race and culture, the married or single, and those who experience same-sex attraction or identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. And God expects us to follow His example.
The Church does not take a position on the cause of same-sex attraction, and we teach that feelings of same-sex attraction are not a sin. However, we believe sexual relations between a man and woman who are not married or between people of the same sex are sinful and violate one of our Father in Heaven’s most important laws. People of any sexual orientation who violate the law of chastity can be reconciled with God through repentance. You can learn more about the Church's teachings here: mormonandgay.lds.org/articles/church-teachings?lang=eng
Before commenting, be sure to check for the beam in your own eye. I was going to say more, but I need to take my own advice, first. ;)
I think "Samantha" is a freakin babe.
you know whats funny: Samantha did nothing wrong in her first conversation against that other woman imposter. this is another example of mormons burning themselves out by doing more then they need to.
Why…thank you.
Why are they dressed like golden girls?
"Mormon" Does.not.have.a.church. Our Savior Does... The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints. HE makes the rules & Laws we accept to live by. It's that simple. If we ever want to become perfect, we have to follow those who are perfect. That's our Heavenly Father and our Savior... They ARE the way. They should be our Everything... I know we're Their Everything
Doesn’t the bishop have a bit of a modern haircut? I thought their were rules for how men were to wear their hair.
It's disingenuous to portray a dramatized discussion between two sides, when the content is clearly produced and filtered through one of those sides.
Mormon's particularly are sensitive when other religions teach Mormonism, so it seems especially hypocritical for them to turn around and do the same. As a result their antagonist misses some key points to the argument that nullify the false positivity we're supposed to end on. All in all I understand this was done with good intentions, but it ends up being another piece of insulting propoganda that encourages Mormons to further justify harmful beliefs.
The point wasn't to teach people what points to make. The purpose was to focus on understanding that there is a human being on the other end of the discussion and that objectifying the other person by trying to be "right" is wrong. It isn't supposed to be the ideal debate with each side showing the best arguments. It is supposed to teach us that we shouldn't debate in that sense at all.
I understand your point about this being filtered through one side of the discussion. But I feel like there HASN'T been a discussion, but rather constant slander lately from gay-rights advocates. The point of it is to urge respect and peaceful dialogue. Respectful words that you would actually say to another person; not words like "insulting propaganda", "hypocritical" and "justify harmful beliefs". LDS folk are not attacking, not trying to force their will on people. This video shows a typical member of our church that isn't trying to *justify* her beliefs, but rather have her beliefs be *respected*. Cooler heads need to prevail in heated topics such as this one.
And how would you have handled the video? Keep in mind the point was to promote fairness for all, even people that disagree with you. What you call "harmful," I call "moral." I'm well aware that goes the other way around, so how do you feel we can best meet in the middle? I'm LDS, but I was born, raised and live in Los Angeles and the depictions shown in this video hit very close to home for me. I have rights too.
How would you like to have seen this handled better? I am asking this sincerely, Cheryl P.
It's illustrative, it's not the purpose of the video to accurately portray to the last detail the merits of both sides. It's to show how we can build common ground and respect our differences while defending religious freedom.
Everything was okay except for when she was talking about standing up for each other rights God wants us to stand with him all though he wants us to love each other and understand each other's there's only one right things to do is to lead people to God the best way you can as a Christ follower in the humblest way
I believe that everyone can choose whether or not to be gay, but I believe in a right and wrong choice. I believe that homosexuality is a wrong choice. But that belief in no way stops a person from choosing the opposite. Like everyone else, us Mormons believe in choice, but we make official the knowledge of consequences as well.
Nobody "chooses" to be gay any more than they choose to be heterosexual. A persons sexual inclinations develop naturally as traits by biological and/or environmental mechanisms. They are not governed by force of will or personal volition.
This video was very inappropriate to watch with my young children. Now I've got a lot of damage control to do on issues I was not prepared to discuss with my 8, 6 and 3 year olds. Really wish there had been a disclaimer!!!!!