As a semi truck driver, I would love a Super C. If the engine needs a service, I can take it to any Freightliner, T/A, or Petro truck stop and get the engine serviced, especially since Detroit Diesel engines have warranties at those truck stops. I can maneuver that Super C like a Corolla.
As a past RV driving instructor, I’ve been in and driven about 75 different Class-A MHs. Most are near or at the limits of their chassis engineering ( braking, load, towing, etc.). The super Cs often have at least 25% capacity remaining, even with full tanks. The stopping power alone puts me immovably in the Super C camp. Then add the serviceability and cost of repairs ($4000 windshield with 6-week wait time, vs $900 windshield that’s in-stock at many shops). Breakdown and you’re going to be making multiple calls to find a tow firm that’ll even do a class A, and when you find one, chances are it’s going to be a LOT further away. Lastly, I’ve seen both Class A and SupervCs following a wreck and the Super C has generally better survivability ( depends on the manufacturer). So, unless you have money to burn, the Super C is a far better bang for your purchasing AND maintenance dollars.
The issue of storage on a Super C can be overcome with it's awesome towing capacity meaning you can tow a garage and then some that will give you alot more storage space. The issue of a Super not being able to park in exclusive class A spaces is not a big deal if you intend to not stay near your RV all day and go out and explore either by foot or another vehicle towed behind the RV. The issue of a Super C having less gas is offset by the fact that there are countless truck stops across the country to fuel up. Also if most of your trips are day trips on your RV then fuel issues should also not be a concern. Super Cs are also growing in interior space. So overall I'd say a class C is a great investment concidering the price.
I am a Super C guy. Couple other points: 1. Being towed. If your rig breaks down on the road, a super C is much easier to get towed to a service center. Some tow services (i've been told) won't tow an A Class because of potentially damaging it. 2. Service on the road if you break down. A lot of big rig service center have dispatch drivers that go out and work on rigs that break down on the road. You've probably seen them. With a Super C, they can come out to you and service you also, because you are running the same engine and they can easily get to it. Won't happen with an A Class. 3. Minor accident mitigation. Put a cattle guard on the front of your Super C, just like a big rig, and that deer you hit won't set you back thousands of dollars in repairs.
if the engine needs repairs a road man might can come out an ck it out as welll ill never buy another class a to big of a death trap hit back of a truck in ice storm your dead for sure.....there is a video on it ...the truth about super c go ck it out you will sell yours if you got one
I've driven busses professionally, both the big tour busses and the Gretch-style busses. Personally, I prefer the truck-style busses, so I have to say that I prefer the Super-C.
The new Super C's being marketed now are built on the same chassis and powertrain, 9300HP/less than 100olbs tq, as your typical school bus. Picture yourself behind the wheel of that loaded with kids to approximate the full wet weight of a Super C and then picture you attempting to tow a 20,000lb trailer behind that and keeping up to traffic on even the slightest of grades, Any bets you'd not find that a pleasant driving experience?
@@brustar5152 I've driven a bunch of college kids from Logan UT to the SLC airport, asking with all of their luggage in both a tour bus and in a Gretch bus, touring a trailer. I prefer the super-c.
Great Video...I am a Super C dude..love the safety, serviceability and longevity factor. Super Cs are less likely to twist and crack floor tiles if you have them and that darn windshield cost and vulnerability on a class A is a downer..lastly I HATE diesel pushers for the fact that IF you have to do major engine work you may have to go in under the bed platform for said service (some models may vary)and having someone INSIDE my coach to service the engine is the deal breaker for m.e..but hey..there is a RUMP for EVERY saddle :)
it's bad enough to have to service the unit from inside but each time we have had a major service completed, the bedding ends up soiled because a mechanic used the bed to stand or placed tools on it.
Great video and I'm all in on the Super C. Regarding the Super C servicing vs Class A (gas or diesel) is the fact that with a diesel in service, the mechanics have to tear apart your bedroom and in the gas coach, the mechanics are tearing apart your front living area. My point being that with basically any type of Super C, the mechanics are working outside your coach while you are still able to enjoy the living space inside.
Great Video! We're Super C owners and prefer it over Class A's. We like the way it handles on the road, servicing is a breeze, and pulling a stacker trailer eliminates any storage shortage issues.
We are about to pull the trigger on a Newmar Super C and will haul a stacker to track days around the US. We’ve never hauled a stacker. Do you have any advice or suggestions for hauling a stacker. It’s a bit intimidating lol
Great Video. I sold my 42’ Diesel Pusher last year and in about 6 weeks will take delivery of my 2022 Renegade Classic 45CMR. I think it’s the best for me and my family. It’s a bath and half, 2 pull out couches and an over head bunk. Add the driving comfort for long trips and we are in love. Super C for me as far as I can see into the future.
Yeah man! Now we're talking a real "Super C" The ones being marketed now are more frequently the International/Freightliner class 5/6 medium duty chassis with the drive train of a 2500 series P/U and there is no way those will tow anything like 20,000lbs comfortably, or even safely.
As my wife is handicapped and 74 we are looking for a super c , simply because of the accessibility , the side door makes a ton of difference when toting groceries up the steps . Also because of the servicing ease of the engine compartment .
If you have a diesel pusher and it reaches 10+ years old, the serviceability and number of service centers of the super C class (truck chassis) will become apparent. If you trade coaches often, get what you like! My 12 year old diesel pusher was great, but the rear radiator blocked engine servicing and it really was a problem to find a RV mechanic shop that will repair it, especially while on the road…we are Super C shopping currently
A couple of comments on this one: 1) when they discussed towing capability they omitted the key reason a Class A or diesel pusher (engine in the rear) might be able to two less and that's because the engine/motor is sitting behind the rear axle. The rear axle is rated as so many pounds so you can't be running a stacker trailer (2 vehicles) behind a diesel pusher which has the engine weighing down the rear axle. It's all about axle ratings and whether or not you have one axle or you have two and what their rating is regarding the weight they can support. 2) on the driveability issue, one reason the Super C feels more stable is that it has the weight of the engine on top of the front axle and then the weight of the Generator, water/waste tanks, heater, etc on the rear axle which is more in balance than a pusher which has most of it's weight on the rear axle. RV manufacturers will move up the generators and other items like batteries, etc towards the front of the coach to create more balance, generally speaking the Super C will feel a little more reassuring and you'll be a little more confident while driving one. 3) and one last point, you need to determine what you are going to use this vehicle for, how many people will be in it etc. If your main destination is to a resort with all the amenities then a Class A can make sense. If you want something that makes life on the road and maybe going into some challenging spaces the Super Cs under 38 ft are easier to navigate. A 45ft Class A can be a challenge even for the experienced driver. And the Miles Per Gall difference can be enormous between a Super C with the Cummins L9 engine (usually under 38ft) and the DD13 or Cummins X12 or X15 (usually in the 40ft plus Class A's. Be safe out there!!
excellent points. we think there are travelers and there campers. we seldom stay anywhere over a couple of days so the super C is great. if staying months I would just get a fifth wheel. But what i miss most from my former class A is the Air Ride suspension. that is a joy going down the highway.
We have a Super C. We found a 34’ because we are hikers & love maneuverability. We love state parks. I worked in a hospital so safety was HUGE!! I’m a petite woman & I’ve driven it everywhere! These are not investments, they are toys. We considered buying a lot in an RV resort but chose to buy a true sticks & bricks winter home in Florida. Many resorts have a 10 year rule & though we bought a new RV, i did not want to deal with the rv age factor. Besides, I feel the RV is nice but a true winter home is much nicer in MHO.
We are first time buyers and just purchased a 33 ft dynamax Europa. One of the biggest reasons was the size was small enough to fit into more campgrounds and I may be wrong but the rig looks like it could handle rough dirt roads better than a class A.
I have a 2000 Monaco dynasty on a roadmaster S series chassis and I love the way it drives. As far as safety, you just have to keep your head out of the cockpit and pay attention to your driving no different than anything else.
Service is a huge issue. By way of example my ford diesel truck had an alternator problem that left me stranded in Boise a couple of years ago. I coasted into a Bretz RV lot and was glad it was there. Not only would they not help me, they threatened to tow me away rather than sell me a battery or jump me. Lucky for me there was diesel truck repair facility across the street that did help me. So my choice for my next RV will include my experience and it will certainly not be something that needs to get fixed at Bretz RV.
I have driven my 2021MODEL 4061 SUPERSTAR this year 21k mileage , and have a 2022 Explorer coming in shortly. I agree with most of your comments. For me , first and foremost was safety along with serviceability. Both of these models are of high quality which you would agree. Because of availability they have better resale value . I like seeing all the different types of RV’s but I’m definitely Team Super C.
@@thyhangman I have no disappointment in owning the superstar , my wife loves all the storage inside and the light colored cabinets. I’m changing because Newmar doesn’t use the Cascadia chassis or I would be buying that. I need more horsepower to haul a large trailer. Newmar is an awesome company. There’s so many things that the Superstar beat the Verona in making my decision which is both using the M2 106 CHASSIS.
Hey Jim, what’s the difference in their chassis ? ? My wife & I plan on getting a “ Show Hauler “ 37-40 ft but prefer at least 450 hp engine . Verona Renagade only come in 350 , With your experience what type of chassis would you prefer ? ? We plan on towing our 2019 Navigator behind it also & Boondock . Trying to find out as much info about Super C’s & the specs ! Thx 👍⚾️
Great show guys, I've been driving big rigs for over forty years even drove full buses but not that long but me personally, I'd go with a Super C anyday over a Class A yeah, yeah more capacity for fuel, more storage, I get it but I've seen the horrible accidents with these busses and they're not pretty, for me safety is my #1 deciding factor plus i can feel the rd you feel more grounded but to each his own, keep em coming guys!
We have been full timing on our Renegade Verona VSB for about 7 months now. Absolutely love it (for all the reasons you talk about) buy especially when it comes to boondocking. We have camped on many places that would have been prohibitive in a class A. I have not had an issue with storage. Interior space depends on the floorplan, and many more super Cs are now offering opposing slides, more than one bath, etc. Our 2017 build quality is superb. We both drive, and even after a long driving day, we are not as exhausted as we were after driving a class A for the same time. We do a lot of boondocking, so the tank capacity is huge for us. Just did an upgrade to Lithium batteries to give us more capacity in that regard. BTW, we travel with 3 large dogs. Long story short, we love our Super C!
My wife & I are looking at the Renagade Verona also , however we are concerned about the 350 hp , we live in Colorado & plan on using it to Boondock on BLM lands . How’s the power towing on steep passes ( mountains ) ? We’d prefer a 450 hp . Thx for the info & safe travels 👍
Newmar Supreme Aire bath and a half and rear door I don't want to climb out a window ,Renegade Ikon. I love that your front wheels are like a regular truck not behind you.45' Super C for me.😜
Good video - pros and cons to both, but super c fits us best. Safety and serviceability are top priorities. Picking up our 2022 Verona 36 VSB in about a week!
I was gonna say the Class A windshield is great, until you break one. It kinda makes sense why Class A windshields are more susceptible to breaking. That nose sticking out of a Super C offers some protection. I am a Class A guy but I have considered a Super C a few times. I'd feel more comfortable driving a Super C to Alaska than my Class A.
My wife and I prefer Class C. This way we could share driving. She used to drive a International school bus, I’ve drove a Freight Liner truck. My wife said that there’d be no way that she would drive a Class A, doesn’t want to learn either. I agree with her. You’re talking about the engine noise, it doesn’t bother us, a Diesel engine sound sound is music to our ears. As far as Resorts, we don’t need all of the bells and whistles, nor the bling. It’s like you said, everyone has different taste. Keep doing what you do 👍👍👍👍
I just wanted to point out something about safety. I’m a truck driver and have seen accidents right up close. I love the form of the super c BUT take a long hard look at the hood and engine placement. If you are in a hardcore front end accident, that hood is going to fly right up towards the driver’s head. The engine is floating almost suspended on the chassis; it will fold up towards you depending on the rnergy levels. The A class the engine is below you. Nothing is coming up at you like a hood. If you collide with a four wheeler it will fold under you. So as long as you are belt buckled you have way better safety in what I call a cab over. This is also one of the reasons europe only allows cabovers.
Great videos, keep it up! I definitely prefer the Super C. Another couple of pros for the Super Cs is getting them towed. Tow truck drivers do not like Class As, they are hard to hook up, sometimes need special equipment. They tow regular trucks all the time. Some of the Super Cs have tandem rear axles instead of a tag axle. Also I do not care for the entrance on most Class As, climbing around the passenger seat. As for the floor space, I would get a 45 foot Super C over a 38 or 40 foot Class A.
I am firmly in the Super C camp but am slightly biased because I have one. It is a 2004 Gulfstream 6340 Kodiak C5500 chassis with a Duramax diesel. Old yes, not as glitzy yes but affordable. Repairs are easily attainable and many I can do myself. These new machines are fabulous but the cost is far outside the reach of many would be RV ers. With 10k pound towing capacity I can easily haul my trailer with 2 horses and a Harley and all our gear from Canada to Florida and still get around 10 mpg. For us it is the perfect solution and we have enjoyed many, many miles of travel in it!!
I just drove a 26 foot box truck across the country (26 foot is the box length, not the truck length), towing a car. IIRC it was an International chassis. It was a Penske, so it was optioned fairly well. Adaptive Cruise control, lane departure, collision mitigation. While that stuff certainly helped, possibly even prevented an accident, after 3 days I got out of that thing and hoped I would never have to do it again. I'm certainly not going to buy one and drive it around for fun, which is what a Super C is. So I get that people are buying them now just because they look cooler, but I think where Super Cs really shine is when you have a heavy hobby. Horse shows, auto racing, power boats, things like that. You don't need 10-20k lbs towing capacity for your toad, but you do to trailer a race car in a workshop trailer. Which is why some Super Cs are surprisingly short, around 30 feet long. So when you add your 15-20 foot long trailer you're not longer than a semi.
I towed a 38ft Mobile Suites for years with a class 7 chassis 450 hp - 1400 ft lbs with a full ten spd Eaton Fuller manual. I can categorically state I would not want any class C with a power train combo lower than that, as with the combined wet weight of the Super C and a 20,000 lb stacker trailer as an example, you'd be passed by everything out there if it's using the typical 300Hp and less than 100olb Tq with one of those wimpy Allison autos the typical class 5/6 chassis comes with. Your auto tranny temps and rpm's would be in the red zone if climbing any long minimum gradient while attempting to keep up with the traffic.
We have a Class A but are interested in a Super C as a replacement. The reason for replacement is that Atlanta lacks service facilities for Class A equipment. There is one chain that caters to the high end customer but it is nearly impossible to get a service advisor to call you back to schedule service due to their limited facilities. It would be so much nicer to be able to call my local Freightliner repair shop to get the annual services completed.
Good discussion! thanks for starting it. I have a couple other factors that sway my preference to the super C: 1) I like having the extra bed over the cab for guests. Class A's do not have that, except in a gasser which is not an option due to capacity and towing, without blocking access through the main door. 2) IMHO a super C feels more like I am driving my house around while a class A makes me feel like I live in my [very large] car with the entrance being in the cockpit.
I like the Class C but own a Class A and own a lot in a Class A only Motorcoach Resort. I recently tried to get our community to allow Super C’s but it was pretty clear early during the process that the owners in our resort had zero interest in changing the community formation documents. More often than not the issue can be resolved by the owners but there are a lot of folks that are Class A only come hell or high water! I’m not wedded to Class A but it appears I am in the minority. One reason I am looking at Class C’s is I’m tired of replacing the windshield. I’m on #3 in just 2 years!
I believe it’s down to pure snobbery as the class A like to think there superior. I think it’s down to how well you keep your RV and Super C. Even age counts for these resorts no matter how stunning the vehicle in question.
Great video. Like most other things, the choice depends on needs and wants. We had a 2018 Dutch Star and now have a 2022 Renegade Classic class 8 chassis. We don't see us ever going back to a DP. While driving an SC, stability is second to none, especially when towing a Toad or enclosed trailer (40,000 lb). The drivability is also fantastic. We also drove non-class 8 Renegade, and it was nice, but it did not drive like its big brother. Not all SC are created equal. Regarding the cons you mentioned in the video, we felt those were unimportant, and we're good trade-offs. Most trucking companies will tow an SC over a DP because they are familiar with towing that type of vehicle. Most truck stops also have repair facilities to service and support an SC-type vehicle. Another negative of an SC is the turning radius. It is not as great as on a DP, but you have to adjust and plan for it. Another thing we noticed is our SC is quieter while driving (outside the engine and wind noise). We do not have the squeaks (plastic rubbing) like our Dutch Start. The Dutch star and the Renegade Classic are at the same level to build quality; however, our SC costs more than our DP new.
But, your Renegade built unit is not a typical Super C with your dedicated class 8 chassis. It will have far more Hp and Tq than the Super C's being marketed now. The super C's showing up at RV sales places today are actually class 5 & 6 units with the same engines and drivetrains 2500 series P/U's are now equipped with, such as 300/320 Hp and under 1,000lbs torque and along with their wet weight, will not be noted for towing 20,000lbs either comfortably or efficiently. That tow weight being given to these lesser chassis will come back to bite them when owners attempt to tow a stacker behind and wonder why their 6/8 spd Allison has got them in the red range on the tach to just climb a minimal grade while attempting to not become a rolling road block for everything from Volkswagon beetles to 30 year old gas winnies passing them and giving them the middle finger salute.
The question you have to ask is how long will you drive at a time ? I drove trucks, for the long distance and time Super C works best for me. If you only drive 3 or 4 hours maybe the class A works will. To me it will be about the safety and the miles you drive in a day. Great video 👍👍
I have too much stuff to have a Super C. I am not pulling a trailer for my things because I want to pull a car. So I am sticking with class A. I'm very happy with mine!
Super C all the way. Only one exit on the A's and it is limited while driving. The A's have more room and amenities but I'll take the safety advantage and advantage of service, windshield replacement etc.
Super C all the way. Had to replace a windshield and TWO TRANSMISSIONS in my class A. Great insurance helped but you still have deductible and wait time for repair parts, total about eight months. One summer lost.
I just watched a review on a DYNAMAX SuperC. It had incredable basement storage compared to all these that you've reviewed. It was on Andrew Steels channel. And it has a DEAN LOUCKS paintjob on all Dynamax's just like the Prevo Liberty. You should look it up before making your choice. CHEERS Steve h.
Great video as a trucker myself a big con of the Class A diesel pusher especially today as I write this in March of 2023 $5.00- $6.00+ per gal for diesel and the fuel milage is only 4-5MPG vs a class super C you will see average fuel milage of about 10-14 MPG if that is not an issue for you great but It is for me.
@@EndlessRVing It really depends on a lot of factors weight, wind, speed ETC... The Key is There is always a sweet spot on all newer vehicles Diesels are no exception normally between 60-68 MPH if you just slow down to that speed and keep it in that range using the cruise control your average milage will increase along with your range. The problem is everyone wants to drive these insane speed limits 75+ you are pretty much forced to go faster this brings down the MPG quickly.
just watched and read lots of these comments we are going to upgrade our very old class A i am only going to look at the Super C The comments have me convinced the super is the only way to go thanks for the video
Hi Izzy and MJ, Great to see you. I'd like to get into answering the questions that you posed. If money was not an object and you were able to purchase a Newell or a Prevost with tag axle turns, I really challenge you to compare that to any class Super C with regard to ride. And the interior quality of your highest and Super C still does not compare to the quality of any Newell or a Prevost. but I guess that's not really fair because the most high-end Class A's cost a lot more than most high-end Super C's. And of course there's a whole other class that you did not discuss called Expedition vehicles. I guess they are specialized Super C's, Unimogs and all.
I have driven and spent a lot of time in both. I like the way the C drives, rides, handles, and the power more than an A. Yet once I get to my destination I prefer the room and storage of the A over that of the C. There are some really nice custom C being built I watched a review of a 1492 Coachworks Class C that impressed me. I have spent way more time in Class A but recently Class C has won my vote. I put 80,000 miles on an Class A motorhome. And it is more like driving in a "captains" chair as he said in this video, yet from the maintenance side of things, the way the Super C handles, and the fact that just calling the closest truck stop if you have a problem with a Class C and the mobile repair person will come to service your drivetrain in the Class C where when the water pump went out in my Class A in bum f&^% nowhere land I had to wait for 36 hours for RV place to open and half a day for someone to come out. In Class C I could have had a water pump in hours because almost every truck stop with a service department carries or can get from another truck stop most parts for the drivetrain. Safety and service outweigh the storage and extra room. I didn't always feel that way yet I do now.
I have never had either, I have a fiver. But if I were going to go to a motorized rig it would definitely be a super C. Serviceability is the main reason for me. The big windshield doesn’t matter to me nor does the fuel capacity.
Two of the most important facts about RVs no reviewer ever mentions is wood frame or steel frame and what's the roof made of if it leaks will the walls rot inside
My team loyalty changes by the video! lol but if it was going to happen in real life it'll happen in a super C, probably a Show Hauler or a 1492 Coachworks.
went from class A to super C mainly for "3 doors". we love driver and passenger doors and camper door. the one thing i hated about class A was stepping over the passenger to get in and out.
Super C. Having that front axle in front of the pilot/copilot seats is a huge plus for safety, tire blowouts and in my case getting my copilot comfortable to drive it. She never would drive our old class A. If you can drive a pickup truck you can drive a super c and feel comfortable.
We love both Class A and Super C Motorhomes. We sell them both. Deciding on which one to get really comes down to what you're looking for and expecting out of your motorhome. Thanks for showing our show display in your video.👍
I have decided that I am going to do a tour of my 2007 Monaco 40 foot PDQ and show people what the features are that you can get in a used coach! We have almost everything on more than anything that’s been shown on all these reviews of new couches. Thomyt
We are going to buy a Super C early next year, either a Renegade or a 1492 Coachworks. We have been looking for over 4 years and it will be from either manufacturer. Max C
While I definitely like them both we have a 42' class A diesel pusher. We both love the huge front window. We have a 150 gallon fuel tank. We have a 135 gallon fresh water tank and 48 gallon gray and black tanks. We definitely love all the bay storage we have. I had no idea that some campgrounds won't accept Super C's. I have also heard that since the Super C has a truck front end with spring suspension that they don't ride as nice as a Class A with a full air ride suspension.
Even class 5 medium duty trucks can be optioned with airbags all around now and certainly any Super C builder would include that on everything up to and including a full class 8 heavy hauler commercial chassis. Very few commercial over the road units leave the semi tractor factories with anything less than full air bagged suspensions today, or for the last twenty years for that matter.
I have heard that some tow companies (those with rigs big enough to tow trucks) will not tow class-a vehicles for fear of damaging the vehicle but will tow a super-c since they are hooked up the same as other commercial trucks. (some full-time RV TH-cam channel episode I saw a few weeks back ran into this specifically when they had a fuel pump fail - it took them a while to find a tow service that would tow them to a shop for repairs)
Agree...I was driving my buddies class A to FL on I95 around Savannah GA area when entire front wheel broke off. Hub/axle issue. Took many calls to get tow service. Finally got a large trucking garage, who then didn't know how to fix it. My buddy and I spent many, many hours of vacation searching for parts ourselves, because it was not a normal truck chassis to them. If it were a Super C, they probably had parts in stock. It was a real pain and total effort on our end to get parts. They really wanted nothing to do with it. And that IS the major route on the East Coast. What if we were in the middle of nowhere?
I am wanting out of my 5th wheel (mainly because i don't have a truck to tow it with) and was looking at Class A, C and Super C C has WAY too little room, A has a ton of room (even saw a 2 bedroom) but I'm leaining on the Super C because it seems easier to drive plus most of them you could literally travel all over the country and rarely have to stay at a campground Would be easy to travel and stay in reststops if you had the right floorplan
We like the super Cs (Renegade Classic) but as you stated, can't go to a lot of RV resorts, as of now, for whatever reason. We love our class A DP, (which we have) especially with the storage capability under the coach. While love the big windshield but not a fan of replacement cost. The super C does seem more durable tho..
Team Class A DP -I don’t think those C’s have enough room -We had some RVers next us in a Super C and the guy said it isn’t that comfortable in the cab -Class A all the way -and we have never had problems getting our class A serviced ❤️🚌🇺🇸
This is comedy relief. Google a few images of Class 8 trucks that crash. They all disintegrate, if you are truly concerned about safety drive an S Class Mercedes-Benz. If you are an RVer like myself and cars about safety, drive 60-65. The road and situations happen a whole lot slower and there is so much more reaction time when you slow from 75 to 62.5. Why be in an RV if you are in a hurry. Relax and take your time. Travel when it is nice and avoid storms. Common sense is a lifesaver.
you guys really missed the point between these 2 classes. The two aren`t really comparable. You buy a Diesel Super C when you need to pull a lot of weight behind, like a car trailer or a stacker trailer for going to car,truck, motorcycle races or carrying horses etc. Class A more luxury. Super Cs for heavy hauling.
*Super C has doors to escape (and get in easily), Safer. But, Prevost (Liberty Coach) makes us think for the none truck, but ONE door and just in front is an issue.* SAFETY FIRST though.
I agree. All windshields collect rocks and will break but those huge flat class A's wind shields are more likely to catch rocks and break. I hope they design super C's so the refrigerators can be easily removed via the smaller side entry door. I see that 2022 Showhauler had a good sized 19cuft residential fridge.
Watched this off and on over the past year and read the helpful comments from others. Currently I'm a 5th wheel guy but think my next purchase will be the Super C. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Super C. I like the drive safety, service and tow capacity. The storage is not an issue. More than enough for one or two people. Good job on the video.
You should mention that all Super C's are not created equal because those with the 300 HP and under 1000 Ft Lb's of torque with an automatic transmission (basically the same drivetrain offered in 2500 series P/U's) and their wet weight will in no circumstances pull 20,000lbs safely or efficiently. They'll be the units being passed by everything out there while that automatic has them in the amber tach range going up even the slightest of grades. So akin to the diesel pusher class A's; to get the "actual" and realistic 20,000lb tow efficiency you gotta go higher Hp & Torque - ergo MORE money, just like the A's.
I lived in a 38 ft fifth wheel for five years it was great. But in a class A think about that Hugh front windshield, if it breaks you need many thousand of dollars. I have driven big trucks for a few years and I always liked that engine out front for the safety. I have also driven class A but I will still choose that Truck super C. Ron USCG RET
Was going to get a Tiffin Phaeton now leaning towards a Super C for safety. I will sacrifice space for safety all day long. And they are looking pretty.
One obvious comparison that I’m surprised wasn’t discussed was the amount of doors and ease of getting in and out of super c vs class a. I imagine getting out as a driver to fill up the tank is much easier on a super C. Surprised this one got skipped in the video.
The S2RV chassis was misrepresented as a commercial chassis. It's a product of FCCC (custom chasssis) just like many Class A chassis. One of the key differences, IMO, is that the DEF filler/tank on the S2RV chassis is in the rear of the coach. On the M2 Freightliner the DEF filler/tank is by the drivers side door.
@@watchawannanofr4505 The Def tank on our S2RV is by the drivers door, what a pain, it should be closer to the diesel fill area so you don't have to move the coach to fill both tanks.
I'm team 36' four-slide 5th wheel with my two bedrooms and bath and a half...LOL. But were I in the market for a motorhome, I'd go with the C, just for the safety, handling and serviceability. Diesel of course.
Interesting. ONE benefit of the Super C that you overlooked is the seperate "house" entry. With a Class A pusher, with the exception of very few the "house" entry is at the front passengers seat. I know, I know - if you get a gas Class A it too will have a "house" entry. Bottom line, very few Class A diesel have a "house" entry.
We are 100% team Super C! As a retired Professional Driver, with 25 years over the road, and 1.5 million miles legally logged miles, I am completely comfortable in the cab of a class 8 commercial truck cab/ chassis. We are waiting on our Renegade Classic, with the Freightliner Cascadia 126, with the DD16, 600 Hp engine and the DT12 transmission. We will be able to tow 40,000 pounds with no problems what so ever. Plus, if we ever need service, we can go to any truck stop or heavy truck repair center, and get the work done. Also, if you ever need to be towed, the Super C can be towed by any heavy wrecker, many class A’s need specialized trailers, and many tow companies will flat out refuse to tow you.
Something that truly frightens me about Class A;s is that there are no doors beside the driver and front passenger. How will you get out if there's an accident?
I find myself leaning towards A's from a storage perspective, but from a practical view I've gotta go with a Super C. Actually a Toy Hauler might be perfect as I would need to carry dialysis supplies. One thing that I always think of, when folks talk about how comfortable RV's are to drive, when I was a kid, my folks were bringing my uncles Cadillac home, basically cross country. My mother found she could get the seating perfect for her, then realized she was starting to drift off, so she had to make it uncomfortable again. I always remember that when discussing comfort.
I would buy a new Cadillac today if it rode like they did 50 years ago. i'm in phoenix now and rented a Chrysler 300 hoping for that Cadillac ride and feel , but not so much.
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As a semi truck driver, I would love a Super C. If the engine needs a service, I can take it to any Freightliner, T/A, or Petro truck stop and get the engine serviced, especially since Detroit Diesel engines have warranties at those truck stops. I can maneuver that Super C like a Corolla.
As a past RV driving instructor, I’ve been in and driven about 75 different Class-A MHs. Most are near or at the limits of their chassis engineering ( braking, load, towing, etc.). The super Cs often have at least 25% capacity remaining, even with full tanks. The stopping power alone puts me immovably in the Super C camp. Then add the serviceability and cost of repairs ($4000 windshield with 6-week wait time, vs $900 windshield that’s in-stock at many shops). Breakdown and you’re going to be making multiple calls to find a tow firm that’ll even do a class A, and when you find one, chances are it’s going to be a LOT further away. Lastly, I’ve seen both Class A and SupervCs following a wreck and the Super C has generally better survivability ( depends on the manufacturer). So, unless you have money to burn, the Super C is a far better bang for your purchasing AND maintenance dollars.
You forget that class A's rarely come in 4x4 where as you can usually find a four wheel drive C or Super C.
The issue of storage on a Super C can be overcome with it's awesome towing capacity meaning you can tow a garage and then some that will give you alot more storage space.
The issue of a Super not being able to park in exclusive class A spaces is not a big deal if you intend to not stay near your RV all day and go out and explore either by foot or another vehicle towed behind the RV.
The issue of a Super C having less gas is offset by the fact that there are countless truck stops across the country to fuel up. Also if most of your trips are day trips on your RV then fuel issues should also not be a concern.
Super Cs are also growing in interior space.
So overall I'd say a class C is a great investment concidering the price.
I am a Super C guy. Couple other points: 1. Being towed. If your rig breaks down on the road, a super C is much easier to get towed to a service center. Some tow services (i've been told) won't tow an A Class because of potentially damaging it. 2. Service on the road if you break down. A lot of big rig service center have dispatch drivers that go out and work on rigs that break down on the road. You've probably seen them. With a Super C, they can come out to you and service you also, because you are running the same engine and they can easily get to it. Won't happen with an A Class. 3. Minor accident mitigation. Put a cattle guard on the front of your Super C, just like a big rig, and that deer you hit won't set you back thousands of dollars in repairs.
Thanks for the info.
Regarding your last point, I agree and will cost less and take less time for repairs.
Might tow easiest but cost pretty penny
@@davidmoody5302 No more costly than a comparable class c.
if the engine needs repairs a road man might can come out an ck it out as welll ill never buy another class a to big of a death trap hit back of a truck in ice storm your dead for sure.....there is a video on it ...the truth about super c go ck it out you will sell yours if you got one
I've driven busses professionally, both the big tour busses and the Gretch-style busses. Personally, I prefer the truck-style busses, so I have to say that I prefer the Super-C.
The new Super C's being marketed now are built on the same chassis and powertrain, 9300HP/less than 100olbs tq, as your typical school bus. Picture yourself behind the wheel of that loaded with kids to approximate the full wet weight of a Super C and then picture you attempting to tow a 20,000lb trailer behind that and keeping up to traffic on even the slightest of grades, Any bets you'd not find that a pleasant driving experience?
@@brustar5152 I've driven a bunch of college kids from Logan UT to the SLC airport, asking with all of their luggage in both a tour bus and in a Gretch bus, touring a trailer. I prefer the super-c.
The Super Cs remind me The international Nav Star Bus . .
Wrong my Navistar has kept up with Motorcoaches on upgrades and flat roads.
Great Video...I am a Super C dude..love the safety, serviceability and longevity factor. Super Cs are less likely to twist and crack floor tiles if you have them and that darn windshield cost and vulnerability on a class A is a downer..lastly I HATE diesel pushers for the fact that IF you have to do major engine work you may have to go in under the bed platform for said service (some models may vary)and having someone INSIDE my coach to service the engine is the deal breaker for m.e..but hey..there is a RUMP for EVERY saddle :)
LOL All good points. Thanks for sharing!
it's bad enough to have to service the unit from inside but each time we have had a major service completed, the bedding ends up soiled because a mechanic used the bed to stand or placed tools on it.
Great video and I'm all in on the Super C. Regarding the Super C servicing vs Class A (gas or diesel) is the fact that with a diesel in service, the mechanics have to tear apart your bedroom and in the gas coach, the mechanics are tearing apart your front living area. My point being that with basically any type of Super C, the mechanics are working outside your coach while you are still able to enjoy the living space inside.
Thanks for sharing
Interesting point. I love the Dark Shadows/Barnabas Collins icon. My favorite show as a kid.👍
Great Video! We're Super C owners and prefer it over Class A's. We like the way it handles on the road, servicing is a breeze, and pulling a stacker trailer eliminates any storage shortage issues.
We are about to pull the trigger on a Newmar Super C and will haul a stacker to track days around the US. We’ve never hauled a stacker. Do you have any advice or suggestions for hauling a stacker. It’s a bit intimidating lol
@@sailingcarat4054 Good choice on the Newmar!👍
Great Video. I sold my 42’ Diesel Pusher last year and in about 6 weeks will take delivery of my 2022 Renegade Classic 45CMR. I think it’s the best for me and my family. It’s a bath and half, 2 pull out couches and an over head bunk. Add the driving comfort for long trips and we are in love. Super C for me as far as I can see into the future.
Sounds like a winner! What truck chassis did you choose?
@@1hasbeen531 Cascadia with the DD16. Only chassis we could do the Bunk Cut out in
@@birdiephelan Nice, with big boy power! 12 speed ultrashift?
Super C has my vote. P 4 chassis is The best chassis by far and the 505 hp 1850 pounds of torque.
Thanks for sharing Dennis.
Yeah man! Now we're talking a real "Super C" The ones being marketed now are more frequently the International/Freightliner class 5/6 medium duty chassis with the drive train of a 2500 series P/U and there is no way those will tow anything like 20,000lbs comfortably, or even safely.
As my wife is handicapped and 74 we are looking for a super c , simply because of the accessibility , the side door makes a ton of difference when toting groceries up the steps . Also because of the servicing ease of the engine compartment .
If you have a diesel pusher and it reaches 10+ years old, the serviceability and number of service centers of the super C class (truck chassis) will become apparent. If you trade coaches often, get what you like! My 12 year old diesel pusher was great, but the rear radiator blocked engine servicing and it really was a problem to find a RV mechanic shop that will repair it, especially while on the road…we are Super C shopping currently
A couple of comments on this one:
1) when they discussed towing capability they omitted the key reason a Class A or diesel pusher (engine in the rear) might be able to two less and that's because the engine/motor is sitting behind the rear axle. The rear axle is rated as so many pounds so you can't be running a stacker trailer (2 vehicles) behind a diesel pusher which has the engine weighing down the rear axle. It's all about axle ratings and whether or not you have one axle or you have two and what their rating is regarding the weight they can support.
2) on the driveability issue, one reason the Super C feels more stable is that it has the weight of the engine on top of the front axle and then the weight of the Generator, water/waste tanks, heater, etc on the rear axle which is more in balance than a pusher which has most of it's weight on the rear axle. RV manufacturers will move up the generators and other items like batteries, etc towards the front of the coach to create more balance, generally speaking the Super C will feel a little more reassuring and you'll be a little more confident while driving one.
3) and one last point, you need to determine what you are going to use this vehicle for, how many people will be in it etc. If your main destination is to a resort with all the amenities then a Class A can make sense. If you want something that makes life on the road and maybe going into some challenging spaces the Super Cs under 38 ft are easier to navigate. A 45ft Class A can be a challenge even for the experienced driver. And the Miles Per Gall difference can be enormous between a Super C with the Cummins L9 engine (usually under 38ft) and the DD13 or Cummins X12 or X15 (usually in the 40ft plus Class A's.
Be safe out there!!
You sir know what you are talking about 👍
@@victorgillen2439 Thank you!
excellent points. we think there are travelers and there campers. we seldom stay anywhere over a couple of days so the super C is great. if staying months I would just get a fifth wheel. But what i miss most from my former class A is the Air Ride suspension. that is a joy going down the highway.
Good comments!
We have a Super C. We found a 34’ because we are hikers & love maneuverability. We love state parks. I worked in a hospital so safety was HUGE!! I’m a petite woman & I’ve driven it everywhere! These are not investments, they are toys. We considered buying a lot in an RV resort but chose to buy a true sticks & bricks winter home in Florida. Many resorts have a 10 year rule & though we bought a new RV, i did not want to deal with the rv age factor. Besides, I feel the RV is nice but a true winter home is much nicer in MHO.
And i forgot…. I barely fill my compartments. Still have plenty of storage everywhere.
We are first time buyers and just purchased a 33 ft dynamax Europa. One of the biggest reasons was the size was small enough to fit into more campgrounds and I may be wrong but the rig looks like it could handle rough dirt roads better than a class A.
Dynamax makes some great products. We just started carrying the Dynamax Europa. We're excited about it. Great little Super C!👍
Driveability is tops. My wife won't drive a class A anymore.
Yes driving a Super C is pretty sweet.
I have a 2000 Monaco dynasty on a roadmaster S series chassis and I love the way it drives. As far as safety, you just have to keep your head out of the cockpit and pay attention to your driving no different than anything else.
Team Super-C...Renegade on order since August
Service is a huge issue. By way of example my ford diesel truck had an alternator problem that left me stranded in Boise a couple of years ago. I coasted into a Bretz RV lot and was glad it was there. Not only would they not help me, they threatened to tow me away rather than sell me a battery or jump me. Lucky for me there was diesel truck repair facility across the street that did help me. So my choice for my next RV will include my experience and it will certainly not be something that needs to get fixed at Bretz RV.
I have driven my 2021MODEL 4061 SUPERSTAR this year 21k mileage , and have a 2022 Explorer coming in shortly. I agree with most of your comments. For me , first and foremost was safety along with serviceability. Both of these models are of high quality which you would agree. Because of availability they have better resale value . I like seeing all the different types of RV’s but I’m definitely Team Super C.
Thanks for sharing!
Switching it up just to experience something different or has something about the Superstar disappointed, that you wouldn't mind sharing?
@@thyhangman I have no disappointment in owning the superstar , my wife loves all the storage inside and the light colored cabinets. I’m changing because Newmar doesn’t use the Cascadia chassis or I would be buying that. I need more horsepower to haul a large trailer. Newmar is an awesome company. There’s so many things that the Superstar beat the Verona in making my decision which is both using the M2 106 CHASSIS.
@@thyhangman I didn’t mention you can’t compare the Newmar super c to the renegade Explorer , chassis so different.
Hey Jim, what’s the difference in their chassis ? ? My wife & I plan on getting a “ Show Hauler “ 37-40 ft but prefer at least 450 hp engine . Verona Renagade only come in 350 , With your experience what type of chassis would you prefer ? ? We plan on towing our 2019 Navigator behind it also & Boondock . Trying to find out as much info about Super C’s & the specs ! Thx 👍⚾️
Great show guys, I've been driving big rigs for over forty years even drove full buses but not that long but me personally, I'd go with a Super C anyday over a Class A yeah, yeah more capacity for fuel, more storage, I get it but I've seen the horrible accidents with these busses and they're not pretty, for me safety is my #1 deciding factor plus i can feel the rd you feel more grounded but to each his own, keep em coming guys!
We have been full timing on our Renegade Verona VSB for about 7 months now. Absolutely love it (for all the reasons you talk about) buy especially when it comes to boondocking.
We have camped on many places that would have been prohibitive in a class A.
I have not had an issue with storage. Interior space depends on the floorplan, and many more super Cs are now offering opposing slides, more than one bath, etc.
Our 2017 build quality is superb. We both drive, and even after a long driving day, we are not as exhausted as we were after driving a class A for the same time.
We do a lot of boondocking, so the tank capacity is huge for us. Just did an upgrade to Lithium batteries to give us more capacity in that regard.
BTW, we travel with 3 large dogs. Long story short, we love our Super C!
So awesome. Thanks for sharing!
My wife & I are looking at the Renagade Verona also , however we are concerned about the 350 hp , we live in Colorado & plan on using it to Boondock on BLM lands . How’s the power towing on steep passes ( mountains ) ? We’d prefer a 450 hp . Thx for the info & safe travels 👍
@@bobmariano3731 hey I drove a semi all over the west. My truck had a 350 hp Cummings and it got me over any pass just fine.
Newmar Supreme Aire bath and a half and rear door I don't want to climb out a window ,Renegade Ikon. I love that your front wheels are like a regular truck not behind you.45' Super C for me.😜
Good video - pros and cons to both, but super c fits us best. Safety and serviceability are top priorities. Picking up our 2022 Verona 36 VSB in about a week!
I was gonna say the Class A windshield is great, until you break one. It kinda makes sense why Class A windshields are more susceptible to breaking. That nose sticking out of a Super C offers some protection. I am a Class A guy but I have considered a Super C a few times. I'd feel more comfortable driving a Super C to Alaska than my Class A.
My wife and I prefer Class C. This way we could share driving. She used to drive a International school bus, I’ve drove a Freight Liner truck. My wife said that there’d be no way that she would drive a Class A, doesn’t want to learn either. I agree with her. You’re talking about the engine noise, it doesn’t bother us, a Diesel engine sound sound is music to our ears. As far as Resorts, we don’t need all of the bells and whistles, nor the bling. It’s like you said, everyone has different taste. Keep doing what you do 👍👍👍👍
Awesome thanks for sharing James. 😁
We've owned both, Super C is the one for us.
Team Super C, we have a Newmar Superstar 4059 on order. Bath and a half floorplan. Can't wait for it to be completed and delivered!!!
They are beautiful! Best of luck with it.
Thank you very much.
I just wanted to point out something about safety. I’m a truck driver and have seen accidents right up close. I love the form of the super c BUT take a long hard look at the hood and engine placement. If you are in a hardcore front end accident, that hood is going to fly right up towards the driver’s head. The engine is floating almost suspended on the chassis; it will fold up towards you depending on the rnergy levels.
The A class the engine is below you. Nothing is coming up at you like a hood. If you collide with a four wheeler it will fold under you. So as long as you are belt buckled you have way better safety in what I call a cab over. This is also one of the reasons europe only allows cabovers.
This is wrong on so many levels
Great videos, keep it up! I definitely prefer the Super C. Another couple of pros for the Super Cs is getting them towed. Tow truck drivers do not like Class As, they are hard to hook up, sometimes need special equipment. They tow regular trucks all the time. Some of the Super Cs have tandem rear axles instead of a tag axle. Also I do not care for the entrance on most Class As, climbing around the passenger seat. As for the floor space, I would get a 45 foot Super C over a 38 or 40 foot Class A.
I am firmly in the Super C camp but am slightly biased because I have one. It is a 2004 Gulfstream 6340 Kodiak C5500 chassis with a Duramax diesel. Old yes, not as glitzy yes but affordable. Repairs are easily attainable and many I can do myself. These new machines are fabulous but the cost is far outside the reach of many would be RV ers. With 10k pound towing capacity I can easily haul my trailer with 2 horses and a Harley and all our gear from Canada to Florida and still get around 10 mpg.
For us it is the perfect solution and we have enjoyed many, many miles of travel in it!!
I just drove a 26 foot box truck across the country (26 foot is the box length, not the truck length), towing a car. IIRC it was an International chassis. It was a Penske, so it was optioned fairly well. Adaptive Cruise control, lane departure, collision mitigation. While that stuff certainly helped, possibly even prevented an accident, after 3 days I got out of that thing and hoped I would never have to do it again. I'm certainly not going to buy one and drive it around for fun, which is what a Super C is.
So I get that people are buying them now just because they look cooler, but I think where Super Cs really shine is when you have a heavy hobby. Horse shows, auto racing, power boats, things like that. You don't need 10-20k lbs towing capacity for your toad, but you do to trailer a race car in a workshop trailer. Which is why some Super Cs are surprisingly short, around 30 feet long. So when you add your 15-20 foot long trailer you're not longer than a semi.
I towed a 38ft Mobile Suites for years with a class 7 chassis 450 hp - 1400 ft lbs with a full ten spd Eaton Fuller manual. I can categorically state I would not want any class C with a power train combo lower than that, as with the combined wet weight of the Super C and a 20,000 lb stacker trailer as an example, you'd be passed by everything out there if it's using the typical 300Hp and less than 100olb Tq with one of those wimpy Allison autos the typical class 5/6 chassis comes with. Your auto tranny temps and rpm's would be in the red zone if climbing any long minimum gradient while attempting to keep up with the traffic.
We have a Class A but are interested in a Super C as a replacement. The reason for replacement is that Atlanta lacks service facilities for Class A equipment. There is one chain that caters to the high end customer but it is nearly impossible to get a service advisor to call you back to schedule service due to their limited facilities. It would be so much nicer to be able to call my local Freightliner repair shop to get the annual services completed.
Good discussion! thanks for starting it. I have a couple other factors that sway my preference to the super C: 1) I like having the extra bed over the cab for guests. Class A's do not have that, except in a gasser which is not an option due to capacity and towing, without blocking access through the main door. 2) IMHO a super C feels more like I am driving my house around while a class A makes me feel like I live in my [very large] car with the entrance being in the cockpit.
Thanks for sharing. FYI Fleetwood has numerous Class A diesels with drop down bunks.
I like the Class C but own a Class A and own a lot in a Class A only Motorcoach Resort. I recently tried to get our community to allow Super C’s but it was pretty clear early during the process that the owners in our resort had zero interest in changing the community formation documents. More often than not the issue can be resolved by the owners but there are a lot of folks that are Class A only come hell or high water! I’m not wedded to Class A but it appears I am in the minority. One reason I am looking at Class C’s is I’m tired of replacing the windshield. I’m on #3 in just 2 years!
Some resorts allow Super C's. We wish more of them would! Thanks for sharing John.
I believe it’s down to pure snobbery as the class A like to think there superior. I think it’s down to how well you keep your RV and Super C. Even age counts for these resorts no matter how stunning the vehicle in question.
Great video. Like most other things, the choice depends on needs and wants.
We had a 2018 Dutch Star and now have a 2022 Renegade Classic class 8 chassis. We don't see us ever going back to a DP. While driving an SC, stability is second to none, especially when towing a Toad or enclosed trailer (40,000 lb). The drivability is also fantastic. We also drove non-class 8 Renegade, and it was nice, but it did not drive like its big brother. Not all SC are created equal.
Regarding the cons you mentioned in the video, we felt those were unimportant, and we're good trade-offs. Most trucking companies will tow an SC over a DP because they are familiar with towing that type of vehicle. Most truck stops also have repair facilities to service and support an SC-type vehicle.
Another negative of an SC is the turning radius. It is not as great as on a DP, but you have to adjust and plan for it. Another thing we noticed is our SC is quieter while driving (outside the engine and wind noise). We do not have the squeaks (plastic rubbing) like our Dutch Start.
The Dutch star and the Renegade Classic are at the same level to build quality; however, our SC costs more than our DP new.
Great points & advice ! Thx 👍
But, your Renegade built unit is not a typical Super C with your dedicated class 8 chassis. It will have far more Hp and Tq than the Super C's being marketed now. The super C's showing up at RV sales places today are actually class 5 & 6 units with the same engines and drivetrains 2500 series P/U's are now equipped with, such as 300/320 Hp and under 1,000lbs torque and along with their wet weight, will not be noted for towing 20,000lbs either comfortably or efficiently. That tow weight being given to these lesser chassis will come back to bite them when owners attempt to tow a stacker behind and wonder why their 6/8 spd Allison has got them in the red range on the tach to just climb a minimal grade while attempting to not become a rolling road block for everything from Volkswagon beetles to 30 year old gas winnies passing them and giving them the middle finger salute.
The question you have to ask is how long will you drive at a time ? I drove trucks, for the long distance and time Super C works best for me. If you only drive 3 or 4 hours maybe the class A works will. To me it will be about the safety and the miles you drive in a day. Great video 👍👍
I have too much stuff to have a Super C. I am not pulling a trailer for my things because I want to pull a car. So I am sticking with class A. I'm very happy with mine!
safety……at the end of the day is always number 1.
Super C all the way. Only one exit on the A's and it is limited while driving. The A's have more room and amenities but I'll take the safety advantage and advantage of service, windshield replacement etc.
Super C all the way. Had to replace a windshield and TWO TRANSMISSIONS in my class A. Great insurance helped but you still have deductible and wait time for repair parts, total about eight months. One summer lost.
If you buy a stacker trailer to haul your vehicle and you can also have a custom built to haul more personal stuff than any clase can carry .
With a Super C I could always tow a storage trailer, as an option. I like safety and driveability.
I just watched a review on a DYNAMAX SuperC. It had incredable basement storage compared to all these that you've reviewed. It was on Andrew Steels channel. And it has a DEAN LOUCKS paintjob on all Dynamax's just like the Prevo Liberty. You should look it up before making your choice. CHEERS Steve h.
Super C for safety and repairability and being towed for service, hand downs. You can tow a trailer with a car and maybe a motorcycle too.
Super C is my preference. Can not deny some of the advantages of a Class A, though. If everyone liked the same thing the world would be boring.
Renegade Super C for me. I need to tow for motorsports. And i want to be able to maintain it myself.
Thanks for sharing Jimmy! We like the Renegades too.
@@EndlessRVing I like the challenge of learning how to do it myself.
Love you vids thanks!
Great video as a trucker myself a big con of the Class A diesel pusher especially today as I write this in March of 2023 $5.00- $6.00+ per gal for diesel and the fuel milage is only 4-5MPG vs a class super C you will see average fuel milage of about 10-14 MPG if that is not an issue for you great but It is for me.
We have never seen anyone get that kind of mileage on a Super C. Thanks for sharing
@@EndlessRVing It really depends on a lot of factors weight, wind, speed ETC... The Key is There is always a sweet spot on all newer vehicles Diesels are no exception normally between 60-68 MPH if you just slow down to that speed and keep it in that range using the cruise control your average milage will increase along with your range. The problem is everyone wants to drive these insane speed limits 75+ you are pretty much forced to go faster this brings down the MPG quickly.
just watched and read lots of these comments we are going to upgrade our very old class A i am only going to look at the Super C The comments have me convinced the super is the only way to go thanks for the video
Hi Izzy and MJ, Great to see you. I'd like to get into answering the questions that you posed. If money was not an object and you were able to purchase a Newell or a Prevost with tag axle turns, I really challenge you to compare that to any class Super C with regard to ride. And the interior quality of your highest and Super C still does not compare to the quality of any Newell or a Prevost. but I guess that's not really fair because the most high-end Class A's cost a lot more than most high-end Super C's. And of course there's a whole other class that you did not discuss called Expedition vehicles. I guess they are specialized Super C's, Unimogs and all.
I have driven and spent a lot of time in both. I like the way the C drives, rides, handles, and the power more than an A. Yet once I get to my destination I prefer the room and storage of the A over that of the C. There are some really nice custom C being built I watched a review of a 1492 Coachworks Class C that impressed me. I have spent way more time in Class A but recently Class C has won my vote. I put 80,000 miles on an Class A motorhome. And it is more like driving in a "captains" chair as he said in this video, yet from the maintenance side of things, the way the Super C handles, and the fact that just calling the closest truck stop if you have a problem with a Class C and the mobile repair person will come to service your drivetrain in the Class C where when the water pump went out in my Class A in bum f&^% nowhere land I had to wait for 36 hours for RV place to open and half a day for someone to come out. In Class C I could have had a water pump in hours because almost every truck stop with a service department carries or can get from another truck stop most parts for the drivetrain. Safety and service outweigh the storage and extra room. I didn't always feel that way yet I do now.
I have never had either, I have a fiver. But if I were going to go to a motorized rig it would definitely be a super C. Serviceability is the main reason for me. The big windshield doesn’t matter to me nor does the fuel capacity.
Super C is better in every single way except comfort and storage. Full stop.
I have a class A BUS diesel pusher w/350hp but I’d love
“More Power”.
And I bet you wouldn't even think of towing a 20,000lb trailer behind that unit.
@@brustar5152 true. My Jeep Cherokee is plenty.
Two of the most important facts about RVs no reviewer ever mentions is wood frame or steel frame and what's the roof made of if it leaks will the walls rot inside
My team loyalty changes by the video! lol but if it was going to happen in real life it'll happen in a super C, probably a Show Hauler or a 1492 Coachworks.
went from class A to super C mainly for "3 doors". we love driver and passenger doors and camper door. the one thing i hated about class A was stepping over the passenger to get in and out.
Super C. Having that front axle in front of the pilot/copilot seats is a huge plus for safety, tire blowouts and in my case getting my copilot comfortable to drive it. She never would drive our old class A. If you can drive a pickup truck you can drive a super c and feel comfortable.
We love both Class A and Super C Motorhomes. We sell them both. Deciding on which one to get really comes down to what you're looking for and expecting out of your motorhome. Thanks for showing our show display in your video.👍
Thanks for watching. 🙌
As a FF/medic it is easier to cut someone out of a super c than a class A.
Team Super C -Renegade Verona LE
I have decided that I am going to do a tour of my 2007 Monaco 40 foot PDQ and show people what the features are that you can get in a used coach! We have almost everything on more than anything that’s been shown on all these reviews of new couches. Thomyt
Thanks Tommy
My wife and I are looking at regular class C units on the Ford E-450. Less expensive to purchase and lower maintenance costs.
We are leaning toward Team Super C.
We are going to buy a Super C early next year, either a Renegade or a 1492 Coachworks. We have been looking for over 4 years and it will be from either manufacturer.
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I forgot to mention it will be on a Peterbilt chassis.
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C family here!! Love the towing and stability on road.
While I definitely like them both we have a 42' class A diesel pusher. We both love the huge front window. We have a 150 gallon fuel tank. We have a 135 gallon fresh water tank and 48 gallon gray and black tanks. We definitely love all the bay storage we have. I had no idea that some campgrounds won't accept Super C's. I have also heard that since the Super C has a truck front end with spring suspension that they don't ride as nice as a Class A with a full air ride suspension.
Even class 5 medium duty trucks can be optioned with airbags all around now and certainly any Super C builder would include that on everything up to and including a full class 8 heavy hauler commercial chassis. Very few commercial over the road units leave the semi tractor factories with anything less than full air bagged suspensions today, or for the last twenty years for that matter.
I have heard that some tow companies (those with rigs big enough to tow trucks) will not tow class-a vehicles for fear of damaging the vehicle but will tow a super-c since they are hooked up the same as other commercial trucks. (some full-time RV TH-cam channel episode I saw a few weeks back ran into this specifically when they had a fuel pump fail - it took them a while to find a tow service that would tow them to a shop for repairs)
I’ve heard the same thing.
@@denniscaling1796 I have had my Class DP 40" towed when a fuel pump failed. It wasn't a problem.
@@heidiclifford8525 That’s good to know. Thanks for the info.
Agree...I was driving my buddies class A to FL on I95 around Savannah GA area when entire front wheel broke off. Hub/axle issue. Took many calls to get tow service. Finally got a large trucking garage, who then didn't know how to fix it. My buddy and I spent many, many hours of vacation searching for parts ourselves, because it was not a normal truck chassis to them. If it were a Super C, they probably had parts in stock. It was a real pain and total effort on our end to get parts. They really wanted nothing to do with it. And that IS the major route on the East Coast. What if we were in the middle of nowhere?
I am wanting out of my 5th wheel (mainly because i don't have a truck to tow it with) and was looking at Class A, C and Super C
C has WAY too little room, A has a ton of room (even saw a 2 bedroom) but I'm leaining on the Super C because it seems easier to drive plus most of them you could literally travel all over the country and rarely have to stay at a campground Would be easy to travel and stay in reststops if you had the right floorplan
We like the super Cs (Renegade Classic) but as you stated, can't go to a lot of RV resorts, as of now, for whatever reason. We love our class A DP, (which we have) especially with the storage capability under the coach. While love the big windshield but not a fan of replacement cost. The super C does seem more durable tho..
Team Class A DP -I don’t think those C’s have enough room -We had some RVers next us in a Super C and the guy said it isn’t that comfortable in the cab -Class A all the way -and we have never had problems getting our class A serviced ❤️🚌🇺🇸
43 foot Bayliner with Twin Diesels has been my choice for the last 21 years! For camping on Land 5 Star Hotels and my Tesla Long Range!
But will RV resorts let you park it near the swimming pool??? 😜
This is comedy relief. Google a few images of Class 8 trucks that crash. They all disintegrate, if you are truly concerned about safety drive an S Class Mercedes-Benz. If you are an RVer like myself and cars about safety, drive 60-65. The road and situations happen a whole lot slower and there is so much more reaction time when you slow from 75 to 62.5. Why be in an RV if you are in a hurry. Relax and take your time. Travel when it is nice and avoid storms. Common sense is a lifesaver.
Thanks for the safety tip.
you guys really missed the point between these 2 classes. The two aren`t really comparable. You buy a Diesel Super C when you need to pull a lot of weight behind, like a car trailer or a stacker trailer for going to car,truck, motorcycle races or carrying horses etc. Class A more luxury. Super Cs for heavy hauling.
Start at 2:43 of the video and watch from there. Thanks for watching and the comment
*Super C has doors to escape (and get in easily), Safer. But, Prevost (Liberty Coach) makes us think for the none truck, but ONE door and just in front is an issue.* SAFETY FIRST though.
Love both equally, at this point I’m leaning towards Super C ( renegade ) . I’ve been looking for two years just unable to pul the trigger yet !
I agree. All windshields collect rocks and will break but those huge flat class A's wind shields are more likely to catch rocks and break. I hope they design super C's so the refrigerators can be easily removed via the smaller side entry door. I see that 2022 Showhauler had a good sized 19cuft residential fridge.
I believe the turning radius of class “A” is tighter than super “C”.
I'm always going to go for the power and safety and to me the Super C seems to be the choice.
Watched this off and on over the past year and read the helpful comments from others. Currently I'm a 5th wheel guy but think my next purchase will be the Super C. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Glad it helped!
Great video... My favorite Super C is the Newmar Supreme Aire... Seems like it has the biggest bathroom of all Super C's
Super C. I like the drive safety, service and tow capacity. The storage is not an issue. More than enough for one or two people. Good job on the video.
I have had both and no question the super c drives better and is more stable in cross winds.
You should mention that all Super C's are not created equal because those with the 300 HP and under 1000 Ft Lb's of torque with an automatic transmission (basically the same drivetrain offered in 2500 series P/U's) and their wet weight will in no circumstances pull 20,000lbs safely or efficiently. They'll be the units being passed by everything out there while that automatic has them in the amber tach range going up even the slightest of grades. So akin to the diesel pusher class A's; to get the "actual" and realistic 20,000lb tow efficiency you gotta go higher Hp & Torque - ergo MORE money, just like the A's.
You can tow.. its a truck.. seem cheaper, seem more robustly built.. oh that driving space.. thats the kicker
I lived in a 38 ft fifth wheel for five years it was great. But in a class A think about that Hugh front windshield, if it breaks you need many thousand of dollars. I have driven big trucks for a few years and I always liked that engine out front for the safety. I have also driven class A but I will still choose that Truck super C. Ron USCG RET
Gonna have to say Super C for the safety and serviceability. What about insurance?? Any advantages there one way or another??
I'm a retired truck driver after 43 years of driving. As much as I am trying, trucking is still in my blood. I'm a Super C guy.
Was going to get a Tiffin Phaeton now leaning towards a Super C for safety. I will sacrifice space for safety all day long. And they are looking pretty.
One obvious comparison that I’m surprised wasn’t discussed was the amount of doors and ease of getting in and out of super c vs class a. I imagine getting out as a driver to fill up the tank is much easier on a super C. Surprised this one got skipped in the video.
went from class A to super C mainly for that one reason. I miss the ride but i love the convenience. we call it "3 doors"
The S2RV chassis was misrepresented as a commercial chassis. It's a product of FCCC (custom chasssis) just like many Class A chassis. One of the key differences, IMO, is that the DEF filler/tank on the S2RV chassis is in the rear of the coach. On the M2 Freightliner the DEF filler/tank is by the drivers side door.
@@watchawannanofr4505 The Def tank on our S2RV is by the drivers door, what a pain, it should be closer to the diesel fill area so you don't have to move the coach to fill both tanks.
I am team can’t afford either 😀. However the super c draw my eye if I could buy one.
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I'm team 36' four-slide 5th wheel with my two bedrooms and bath and a half...LOL. But were I in the market for a motorhome, I'd go with the C, just for the safety, handling and serviceability. Diesel of course.
Of course! lol
How about mileage? Clearance for things like dog shows parking on grass at Fairgrounds...hunting on a farm access road?
If you prefer a Super C over a class A for safety and repairability, why not go all in with a 5th wheel + hdt? You get more space and storage too.
Interesting. ONE benefit of the Super C that you overlooked is the seperate "house" entry. With a Class A pusher, with the exception of very few the "house" entry is at the front passengers seat. I know, I know - if you get a gas Class A it too will have a "house" entry. Bottom line, very few Class A diesel have a "house" entry.
We are 100% team Super C! As a retired Professional Driver, with 25 years over the road, and 1.5 million miles legally logged miles, I am completely comfortable in the cab of a class 8 commercial truck cab/ chassis. We are waiting on our Renegade Classic, with the Freightliner Cascadia 126, with the DD16, 600 Hp engine and the DT12 transmission. We will be able to tow 40,000 pounds with no problems what so ever. Plus, if we ever need service, we can go to any truck stop or heavy truck repair center, and get the work done. Also, if you ever need to be towed, the Super C can be towed by any heavy wrecker, many class A’s need specialized trailers, and many tow companies will flat out refuse to tow you.
Something that truly frightens me about Class A;s is that there are no doors beside the driver and front passenger. How will you get out if there's an accident?
No problem, just climb out through the already missing windshield.
I find myself leaning towards A's from a storage perspective, but from a practical view I've gotta go with a Super C. Actually a Toy Hauler might be perfect as I would need to carry dialysis supplies. One thing that I always think of, when folks talk about how comfortable RV's are to drive, when I was a kid, my folks were bringing my uncles Cadillac home, basically cross country. My mother found she could get the seating perfect for her, then realized she was starting to drift off, so she had to make it uncomfortable again. I always remember that when discussing comfort.
I had the same too comfortable experience in a 79 Lincoln half way through the country.
I would buy a new Cadillac today if it rode like they did 50 years ago. i'm in phoenix now and rented a Chrysler 300 hoping for that Cadillac ride and feel , but not so much.
We currently have a TT and only 23’. Plan to trade up to a super C in a few years. Hopefully the price will come down!