I'm more worried about the wave of SJW flowing into gaming. I mean Skyrim had Argonian/Nord marriage for crying out loud. I don't want to know how much worse the situation can get. My immersion can't take the shock!
The game lets you be the master of every guild, the biggest criminal and the biggest hero and no one fucking recognizes it and that doesn't break your immersion? lol. Skyrim's marriage system is there so you can do whatever the fuck you want, how is that related to SJWs?
You sure it doesnt work similar like the Gray Fox Cawl? Speech +100% but no one reckognises you when you take them off?...anyways Deadric Artefact confirmed.
It's as the game companies grow so massive, the control shifts from the actual developers to the suits who don't care, and probably don't know anything about games. As the industry grows this is a sad inevitability. It'll happen to CDPR, especially as they've been so insanely successful with Witcher 3. Every big investor in Poland is eyeing up that company, you can bet.
@Zaric Zhakaron, If only that was the case for most publically traded companies, but what I have seen is companies become slaves to the investors and usually going down the shitter in terms of morality and general quality.
Maybe this is the time to shift how you invest our money, tell them with your wallet as you've done the time you were happy with them, that you are no longer supporting their practices, and get to spend your money where you are grateful to.
This is why after your first video game becomes successful u pay your investors back penny for penny then use what left to restart the next game making process this time without the crowdfunding now u are officially the super meat boy dev dude... U did it all by yourself
Bethesda is a prime example, the founder, Weaver, wanted to do games, but then he brought in Altman, a corporate lawyer, to manage the finance aspect of the company, and then Altman kicked out Weaver from the board.
Well,I on Playstation 4 primarily playing Fallout 4 and I can personally say that I will not support Bethesda with paying one cent on A paid Mod.I am no Whale either-could care less about Soccer or paying $50 for online.I just know better than to pay for overpriced Mods to A Company only seeking to exploit their install base for profit.I want PC Users to know that not all PS4 Users represent those people who support the Creation Club and to not group us all in with the rest.Great Video BTW! :)
.... If you have skyrim, the survival mode will be released for free for a week they said. Getting it for free would be a perfect price yeah? And I don't really fault those ps4 users that want some of the same features that we can get on pc. That's not unreasonable, you were sold a product with the promise of mods and then let down hard. This whole creation club thing wouldn't even fly if sony wasn't strange about the licensing.
No, you are not a jackass. You just made a video on the actual situation of the entertainment industry. And the ES 6 predictions are exactly what I am afraid will happen. Lets hope they will release it later than expected (so we can enjoy more Nexus, until it will be shut down).
There is a term called "vote with your wallet" I've heard it from total biscuit. But that's what people should do. If you don't like these changes, don't buy into them, make it so they don't provide a lot of revenue and a ton of negative PR. And things will change. After all, this is an industry and if something makes no money, it will be discarted. If micro transactions make no money. They will eventually phase out.
Dark Lord Gaming you need to be loud about it too, make sure people know that people are against it and boycotting, it has a greater chance of snowballing.
There's one problem with that plan, a fatal flaw if you will. You, and likely your followers, are in the 1% of people who know about what is going on and are enacting a plan to attempt to do something about this. Bethesda Softworks gives exactly 0 shits about the collective you. They love their new, insanely loyal fans from the Sony camp who will pour about 100$ (if not more) each into the creation club, as it is obvious they are starved for "mod" content and will pay through the nose for it. It does not matter what we do as PC gamers, because we were never the target audience for this system.
Loved the video btw. I worry that when the next Elder Scroll or Fallout launches we will be stuck paying 60 to 100 dollars for a bare bone game. I picture all the important content stuck behind the creation club pay wall. I Will say bye bye Bethesda when that happens. The question is how many other players will do the same? Is this the disgusting future for gaming ?
Bethesda; "We won't take original content." *Proceeds to take original content from mod nexus* I wonder if it's more scummy for them to lie to consumers and compile those mods for frostfall or if its scummier for them to lie to consumers and steal other peoples work. I just hope that the people who worked on the original survival mods are the ones who worked on frostfall because otherwise it means that Bethesda is as smarmy as EA and Ubisoft. Also, fallout 4 survival mode wasn't as good as fallout nv because its just 'they do more damage now!'
Jackass Zaric is best Zaric. Wonder if its possible that Bethesda brings out there own game launcher like BattleNet/Origin to bypass Steam and get all the Bethesda bucks.
The simple fact that no-one knows about it shows the obvious flaw in making an inferior version of things to try and get more money. Bethesda.net pales in comparison to the Nexus.
I would've ended the video with a: "Especially CDPR are NOT your friends". That would've triggered all the fanboys hyping Cyberpunk 2077 to absurd levels (and the game doesn't even exist in any physical form yet) and it would've been glorious.
ChaosZero ノブ Oh, do you think they’re not perfect? What is this madness?! Guards! Seize the unbeliever!! Lol. Everyone defended them when they copyrighted “cyberpunk”. It’s only a matter of time before the copyright bullying begins.
@Nukestarmaster as easily as anything else, i suppose. i'm no lawyer. i should clarify that i don't have any "beef" with cdprojekt red, but they're a company. companies aren't your friends, as zaric said.
As a recent new subscriber to your channel I would like to thank you and yer channel! I learned a lot from modding builds and your insights on all about the Elder Scrolls and gaming. Also indie or smaller studios is prolly the way to go for better gaming such as Larian Studios and Inxile studios. This creation club thingy is forming a vomit on my stomach on what Elder Scrolls 6 would look like.
Very good point made about the plausible changes Bethesda might make for TES6. That's always been my major concern and what I've been harping on since Creation Club was announced. Sigh...
I'm very very sad about the fact no paid SkyUI was ever allowed by fans. Of course a lot depends on the price itself, but this is the thing, SkyUI having the most unique downloads does not need to be expensive at all. I do not remember any numbers, but when paid mods were first released I made some maths (and you can still find proper numbers under Zaric's first video on the topic) but from what I remember it was somethilg like 0,10$ for SkyUI would bring in more than 1M$ dollars to it's creators (and that's already after subtracting Bethesda's Steams and tax shares). Would it really be any problem for any one from any part of the world to pay 10 cents?
SkyUI is essentially a patch to fix the sloppy job Bethesda did in porting over Skyrim. Your suggestion seem to be an external team, approved by Bethesda, should make a patch to fix the UI, and I pay them for that, with part of my money going to Bethesda? Am I understanding you correctly?
You have to understand how greedy people are in general. Both in making money, and in spending money. If something was always offered for free, you'd have to give people a damn good reason to start paying for it.
How much money is too much money? Corporate greed has always been evil but micro transactions are the polished horns of the devil my friend. Shameless and utterly brilliant from a business perspective.
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Well.. the point with CC is that any future Bethesda game will have its finished content cut out of the released game to have it slapped on Creation Club to gouge extra cash. Thats what the MAIN PROBLEM is. And I don't see many people pointing that out.. yet.
Darken De la Espada The funny thing is that, even on a dirt cheap pc, you can play a modded skyrim. There are even mods that help with that - like the vanilla reduced textures.
+RollingRoy When Steam allowed for users to try Special Edition for a few days free; I was surprised that my potato was able to run it smoothly.... on the highest graphics settings no less.
+RollinRoy Special edition itself was allowed for free use for a few days which is what I originally checked it on. I'd rather not upgrade to special edition on Legendary because of mod compatibility.
@Darken De la Espada your comment implies that special edition overwrites SLE. that is not how it works. SSE is considered a different game from SLE. it goes into an entirely different folder from olde skyrim. sadly, ya missed out. oh, unless you're talking about one of those "free for ____ days" deals on steam. then, i misunderstood. as far as compatibility goes, you are correct. even with the recent release of skse for SSE, it'll be a while before most mods are ready. i will wait -- drooling over myself -- for skse64 & its mods to be stable. oh, what a day. that should be a holiday. with sweet rolls and...and...yeah. __stops self from rambling__
+RollinRoy Yes I was talking about the "free for____ days". The decision seems to be a rather tough one as to which to get. On the one hand the time for upgrading to SSE has ended. But on the other hand just getting the original(SLE) would give access to all mods except for new ones and being forced to remain at 32bit vs 64bit which I assume is extremely significant but I wouldn't know. The problem is exacerbated when one takes into account the mods that will likely never be updated to fit with SSE. But then I've read a conflicting report that not many mods are made incompatible by the SSE. Am I correct in saying that you think one should just get SSE instead of the original?
I couldn't agree with you more on the point that companies aren't your friends. I have no idea why people think that a big name, for profit company miles upon miles away gives a rat's ass about your feelings. They aren't here to wipe away your tears and bring joy, they are here to make money off a media that has grown unbelievably lucrative over time. There are good companies that make quality products and try as best they can to provide for their fans while trying to maintain a profit, and bad ones that nickle and dime their customers every chance they get. We are still CUSTOMERS to both of them regardless. Wish people would understand that.
Great video. This really needs more views. I do wish modders could make money of their mods. A lot of them deserve it, like the one you pointed out with USLEEEP.
You talking about consoles made me remember that i had some people ask "Why do you buy a PC it's so expensive compared to consoles". Everytime people ask that i have to remind them how overpriced consoles are (at least in my region) and how terrible the monetization is for console games (for the consumers). You talking about the people who spend hundreds of bucks on FIFA remind me why i'm a PC user and probably always will be, because i have a choice on this platform, whether legally or illegally to bypass these shady practices.
Exactly! the upfront cost for PC Gaming is bit more expensive, but in the long run you save tons of money just by avoiding the monetization model consoles use. they will Nickle and dime you to death if you let them.
This seems like the way of any business that starts by catering to the fans because they are fans. There is the beginning which is great but some what lacking polish. Then they gain money and resources to create something amazing. A golden period if you will. A moment when fans and devs/producers/creators enjoy something truly amazing. Then the big money rolls in. Share holders, 3rd parties, etc. Then we're left reminiscing about having the good fortune to have been there when... a time before the inevitable entropy sat in.
I will argue that not all companies just see us as dollar signs. I think your not far off in claiming the gamer publishers (whose sole purpose is to maximize profit) aren't our friends, but I think that there are plenty of game development studios that still operate with the players/fans best interests in mind. For example take 343 Industries (the company responsible for Halo 4 & 5). The Halo community was furious about the bad story and unfamiliar artstyle that Halo 5 had, but in the aftermath of game bashing by fans, they pretty much came out and fully admitted that they messed up. Not just in a damage control PR message, but also in person conversations with community members. They fully acknowledged they upset their fans, and instead just hand-waving the criticisms and catering only to the cod style of fans that didn't care about all that stuff, they listened actively worked to right there wrongs their next game (Halo Wars 2). That game (at least in the artstyle and story department) was basically an apology letter to fans for their previous mistake. Beyond that the company frequently has community spot lights for fan projects and even fan mods for other games. Yes they put micro-transactions in both Halo 5 and Halo Wars 2, and no I can't defend that. Maybe it was Microsoft Studio's (their publisher) idea, but even if it wasn't there's too much evidence to the contrary to claim the company cares only about making a profit. 343i and many other studios like i (CD Project Red for instance)t care about pleasing fans, making good games AND making money as a byproduct of that.
A lot of us boycotted Mass Effect for their treatment of ME3 and the team PR. Picked it up for $20 through a third party instead of giving them full price, game wasnt worth more than $20 anyhow.
I'm not surprised by any of this. Bethesda game studios. Amazing company. Amazing work being done there. Bethesda softworks on the other hand. Just look at the fact that they released an expansion for a full game, that was double the price of the game's original cost. Now I realize that was the expansion plus other perks, but it's still a huge slap in the face to gamers everywhere. They are the definition of corporate greed. And if they somehow don't find a way to ruin the elder scrolls and fallout series with absurd microtransactions and expansions I'll be amazed. At the end of the day, they know people will continue to buy it. Which is part of the problem. I don't think boycotting will work, not even saying to try it. I'm simply stating that part of the problem is the fact that people are still going to pay for this stuff, regardless of how much of a rip off it really is, therefore they will continue to exploit and take advantage of that. It honestly just makes me really sad.
I don't even think we rate as "customers". "Resources" is a better term. We, or more accurately our money, is a resource for them to mine. When it appears they have exhausted one vein, they dig deeper. No amount of resources are enough. When the mining gets tough, they adapt using new mining technology such as microtransactions, loot crates, paid early access, season pass/Legendary Edition, Bethesda Bucks, paid mods and other.
This is part of a broader trend. Games will stop being a stand-alone product and become a service. Same with the rest of the software industry. Also very important the point you made about youtube mod reviewers making a living off of mods, while mod makers receive nothing. I would expect that mod reviewers would have handled the issue of paid mods carefully, but instead they all jumped on the hate bandwagon.
The problem is that the decision is not in the hands of developers. Executives, and through them, investors, decide the business model. And investors prefer a steady trickle of profit over a return filled with peaks and valleys.
Its also "safer" form their perspective because it tends to be a bit more difficult to steal a service entirely. Its sometimes possible to share but its harder to out and out pirate. Thankfully there will always be indie developers/new companies who are looking to garner success by standing out as "different" from the triple-A companies. They tend to have lower graphics, which thankfully I don't care about - FNV still looks fine to me weirdly enough - but can do more interesting/edgy/creative things. Granted they're just companies too, trying to make money by manipulation of a sort (they may actually agree with the spirit at the start but they need to eat and will likely play it up until successful enough to slide into the same business practices they started off disliking. A "we all become our parents" thing. I tend to trust Obsidian and like its former/active devs, for example, but I expect it might even happen to them too in the coming years if they see increasing success.)
I am afraid that Skyrim SE and Fallout_4 are the last complete products that we are going to have the joy of modding with. Looking at the bright side though, Mod authors are awesome as they will probably prolong the life of those games for years.
I don't even want Elder Scrolls VI anymore. It would be bittersweet indeed. Starfield will show us which direction they are heading as it will be the first game developed from the start 'around' creation Club, which means as always, cut content being sold back to us after we buy the game full retail price. ES VI will be developed arounf micro-transactions as well.
As opposed to? lol. They open themselves up to shitstorms consistently. This will be nothing big for them. I almost feel bad for future Pete Hines haha.
Its a sad truth. It sucks to see this developer move to this business model. Its like watching a car crash in slow motion. I just hope another indie dev steps up and gives us the Elder Scrolls type game we all want.
i agree with all that . that being said looks like SKSE is moving forward there is version for modders in alpha stage now so maybe maybe we get MCM menu soon and some off the mods for Skyrim SE that need script extender
There's still room for Bethesda's to fully commit to the "Scummy" status. They should pull a Nintendo, creating their own private TH-cam network, restricting gameplay videos to only network members, and taking a 90% cut of all ad revenue.
I was hoping that Bethesda wouldn't hurt the chance of the creation club success. And I am hoping that they could be successful on it, so that way every other publishers could hop on that trend. And let their customers to have more content out of their games. But I would have to agree with you on that, because of what Bethesda's current direction is heading.
Well said Zaric, you are definitely right about all this and you're not a jackass you are just making a point on everything my friend that is what I like about you Keep up the good work.
i bought Skyrim and Fallout 4 for a very good reason. i told myself that i was allowed 1 more of each STRICTLY because of mods and my new computer. there won't be another Bethesda game in my future unless it's proved to be a good game with no qualifiers, no excuses, and no compromises. and as a side note for if any game developer is looking to create an easily modded open world game that is willing to actually make a good game, i'm in. all in. take my money, because Bethesda isn't in the business of making the games i like anymore.
One of the underlying reasons for these changes in business practice has to do with digital delivery. How games are developed and purchased and supported has changed. There are still gamers clinging to the old high street retail model and physical ownership of a box and a disc; but most of us have moved on and are adapting to the digital age. There will be a lot of disruption and controversy as corporations and customers adapt to the digital retail environment and systems. Mistakes will be made and corporations and customers will struggle to find equitable solutions. It will take time. The responsibility of customers is to let corporations know how they feel about their products and business practices - reviewing bombing for example, both negative and positive, if necessary.
ArcherXX Because they want to copy most top quality mods so it becomes part of they're creation club and also because its easier to copy successful mods than to create originals that and easy money.
What about Nexus running ads on download pages, with a cut from the ads going to whoever's mod was being downloaded. Nexus has some reason to do it, and modders get some monetary reward for their long service.
It sucks. I was so excited when the creation club was brought on , I have a ps4 , so finally being able to use mods was a dream come true. But the mods are cheap knockoffs of the free versions , except you have to pay for them. Now I bought a couple armor sets to add something new to my game , because Skyrim is so old , itself refreshing to have something new , but their prices are ridiculous. Pure greed to it's core , it makes me want to build my own computer rig. But I love console gaming , I've been playing playstation since I was 7 , I'm turning 26 , that's a hard tie for me to break. I feel if there is significant price drops then creation club would be a cool thing. If they have a modder steal an idea for creation club, give the credit from the original then. But having them take down mods is bullshit , Bethesda is like the empire in skyrim , a former shadow of itself. I understand original creator's getting pissed about shit , but don't let the corporate greed kill your creativity. People will always lean towards a better version of something , especially if they have to pay for it. If the community just stands together , Bethesda will bend. I mean monolith took out the microtransactions from shadow of war , probably because they sucked out every penny they were able to get , but eventually they listened to the community. Hopefully Bethesda's dark hearts will turn to the light again one day. They aren't the best anymore , and every game made recently is a perfect example of that. Maybe one day we will see a Bethesda without Todd Howard and his lies and black magic. I loved this one comment I saw that said Todd Howard is the perfect example for why you should level your speech craft hahaha. Fucking Todd Howard.......
Not interested in ES6, really. This problem is prevalent in the whole of the gaming industry as of late. The creativity seems gone in a lot of AAA titles. The only AAA game I will probably get on day these days is Cyberpunk 2077 by CDPR. YES I know we are just customers, but at least they still treat their customers with something that resembles respect.
Damn...as one with a past in sales i can definitely recognize another one when i see it... that sort of "respect" for the crudely and "earnings" based mentality, while at the same time condemning it; looking at ANYTHING a company does only as an act to masquerade what they really meant to obtain. ...it's obvious that Zaric had a past in sales. One example i always do to people that claim that "this-that company cares" is this: you know whenever you hear a company donating to charity? It is awesome that they did it, and you probably should commend them for it; but that is not WHY they were doing that. They were probably doing it mostly if not only for the good publicity it would create for them, for obtaining contacts in the future or, to simply put it, to get something back. Bethesda is not your friend..other people rarely are completely honest 'till the end, why should companies be?
Don't ever score games, the adjustment I made is simple. I removed both Skyrim SE, and Fallout 4 from my Steam Account, for good. If the next BGS game has the Creation Club, I will never even buy it, I won't tolerate Microtransactions in any game, not even FTP, and won't buy, or play them. I wouldn't call it a boycott, as I never get games with Microtransactions, so more I line I won't cross, like Shadow of War.
You can have your cynical view that allows you to see how sad and disappointing every aspect of human existence is. Meanwhile I'll just be here with the optimistic view, living in the intoxicating bliss of ignorance. Love your content by the way.
I think a game crash is on the horizon, and part of me is looking foreward to it. Games are constantly being sold with half the content cut out for full price. I'm not necicerally that old. I'm 22, but I played Diablo2 way back, I played Age Of Empires, I remember how post release content used to be handled. It was huge. Expansion packs as we called them, were massive and *expanded* the game, adding characters, bosses, gear, and maps. DLC nowadays is generally garbage. Witcher did a DLC right, I wont suc them off too much but I cant think of any really great DLC in this past year. If anyone can correct me with an example or a "blood and wine" sized DLC in this past year please do.
The most sinister thing about CC is, now that it's set up and existing, it will eventually kill off free mods. It will cause the "brain drain" so the best and highest quality mods will be only available there and we will be left only with work of less capable and less talented people. Bethesda will be satisfied if this little project of theirs brings 0 money but does not cause financial loss at first. Earned money will be reinvested into funding more and more modders until the free modding scene is desolate place and all we are left with are paid mods. Then they will start raking in some phat cash. Yes, it's a slow and very gradual process but like torturer's poison it will eventually work it's way to the heart. Corporations are in it for a long haul and won't mind waiting till free mods fade out of collective memory.
I personnaly have a rather positive outlook on the whole paid mods thing, and think the real issue is only the fact that Bethesda Softworks is charging way too much money for their "modsdlcsthingies". I don't think it makes the game better or worse, because so far, it is perfectly optional to buy their stuff, at least for PC. If I want a survival mod, I can also look on the internet, since so far Bethesda doesn't seem to mind "competition" as long as said competition doesn't get paid for it. I wouldn't condemn Bethesda for trying to do their cashgrab either (Its the job of any company to make money afterall, so its only logic they'd try eventually), or mod authors who made mods for Bethesda, in fact I am okay with the quality of the mods on the Creation Club. But they are charged way too high for the content they offer ($1 for a pipboy skin for exemple, is NOT a good deal, if they made it a pack of skins for the pipboy for $1, it would only be fair then depending on the number of skins + additional quality of said skins; I probably wouldn't buy it because I don't care about skins in general, but it would at least seem fair). In short, I would, in all honesty, gladly throw some of my money at Bethesda from time to time, if they weren't being cheapskate and charging horrendous prices for what they offer (I'll probably get shot for saying that...). So maybe I'll buy one of their mod if they really make something I want to get on the creation club, but I'll probably just steer clear of it as long as its wallet threatening. But if it evolves later in something horrible that plagues the existence of any game published under Bethesda Softworks and remove the fun out of them, then I will change my opinion about it for the worse, and I sure hope that it would change for the better, but well, corporate bullshit and all, probably wont happen, at best it will probably remain where it is right now, unless the three ghosts of christmas come visit Bethesda and they suddenly get a conscience, but they'd probably try to buy one.
Funny story, I got a legendary edition skyrim so I got Skyrim special edition free. I installed it a single time, then I never touched it again. Preferring my original Skyrim because of a lot of factors, one being skse making a lot of my mods unplayable in SSE. I also had it crash my original Skyrim somehow. I know this because soon as I removed it, instantly started working again. That caused me to never want to trust the game enough to re-install ever.
Personally I don't agree with the creation club idea, but, some larger mods such as Beyond Skyrim would benefit tenfold form the creation club and I wouldn't mind spend $20-30 on that mod, because it'd basically be just a new polished DLC for Skyrim.
hey i finally listened to your video where you mention shadowkey, can you please elaborate on why we never saw that multiplayer experience again after? its the only fucking multiplayer that the majority of the fans wanted as far as i could tell.
Ahhh. . if only Beth could just. . .ohhh I dunno. . . make a more compelling Elderscrolls title. Look at the popular mods. What people want in their ES title. Shit that was roughed out in Daggerfall. They have direct insight into what people want and ignore it. Mods are great, but you have to put in some time and work to have fun. This biggest bit of bullshit is the pricing model -- them leftover points -- the fact you can't just buy precisely what you want for the price it actually is. You have to buy some stupid currency. The price per value is also skewed quite high.
"I'm gonna be even more of a jackass than usual."
This is gonna be good.
Tell it like its brother haha.
Oh man your TES VI prediction is exactly what I am afraid of. Hopefully greed has a limit. Oh, what am I saying. Of course it doesn't.
Look at Fallout 4. There's your answer. TES: IV will be just as horrible as FO4 or perhaps even worse.
I'm more worried about the wave of SJW flowing into gaming. I mean Skyrim had Argonian/Nord marriage for crying out loud. I don't want to know how much worse the situation can get. My immersion can't take the shock!
Does our worry get to the Valve District very often?
The game lets you be the master of every guild, the biggest criminal and the biggest hero and no one fucking recognizes it and that doesn't break your immersion? lol.
Skyrim's marriage system is there so you can do whatever the fuck you want, how is that related to SJWs?
When i see micro transactions in full priced games i simply put on my pirate hat. YAAARG MATEY A PIRATES LIFE FOR ME!
Where to sail, captain?!? yarrrrrg, mi sable is sharp and hungry for prey yarrrrrrrrrrg
The Black Shades of Zaric - Fortify speechcraft +45, Wearer gains increased insight into Lore.
"You should rest and meditate on what you've learned"
You sure it doesnt work similar like the Gray Fox Cawl? Speech +100% but no one reckognises you when you take them off?...anyways Deadric Artefact confirmed.
I’m about 89% sure zaric is a Magna Ge
@DatrixTSW2012 Here is youre** cookie
It's as the game companies grow so massive, the control shifts from the actual developers to the suits who don't care, and probably don't know anything about games.
As the industry grows this is a sad inevitability.
It'll happen to CDPR, especially as they've been so insanely successful with Witcher 3. Every big investor in Poland is eyeing up that company, you can bet.
@Zaric Zhakaron, If only that was the case for most publically traded companies, but what I have seen is companies become slaves to the investors and usually going down the shitter in terms of morality and general quality.
Maybe this is the time to shift how you invest our money, tell them with your wallet as you've done the time you were happy with them, that you are no longer supporting their practices, and get to spend your money where you are grateful to.
CDPR makes great games but the working conditions are terrible
This is why after your first video game becomes successful u pay your investors back penny for penny then use what left to restart the next game making process this time without the crowdfunding now u are officially the super meat boy dev dude... U did it all by yourself
Bethesda is a prime example, the founder, Weaver, wanted to do games, but then he brought in Altman, a corporate lawyer, to manage the finance aspect of the company, and then Altman kicked out Weaver from the board.
I used to bully Todd back in high school.
Triss Merigold
How could you Triss??? This is why I chose Yen over you.
Triss Merigold Send that dork back to the chess club
Just because he was in the chess club
And then you took an arrow in the knee.
You sure it wasnt Pete Hynes?
Well,I on Playstation 4 primarily playing Fallout 4 and I can personally say that I will not support Bethesda with paying one cent on A paid Mod.I am no Whale either-could care less about Soccer or paying $50 for online.I just know better than to pay for overpriced Mods to A Company only seeking to exploit their install base for profit.I want PC Users to know that not all PS4 Users represent those people who support the Creation Club and to not group us all in with the rest.Great Video BTW! :)
Hemp316 Don't worry pc players understand this but pc elitists don't cuz they're retarded.
.... If you have skyrim, the survival mode will be released for free for a week they said. Getting it for free would be a perfect price yeah?
And I don't really fault those ps4 users that want some of the same features that we can get on pc. That's not unreasonable, you were sold a product with the promise of mods and then let down hard. This whole creation club thing wouldn't even fly if sony wasn't strange about the licensing.
You: I'm not going too... ooh Elder Scrolls 6! Bethesda: Goch-ya Bitch!!!
hope you're doing well friend
No, you are not a jackass. You just made a video on the actual situation of the entertainment industry. And the ES 6 predictions are exactly what I am afraid will happen. Lets hope they will release it later than expected (so we can enjoy more Nexus, until it will be shut down).
What the fuck is this shit? $15 for survival mode? $15 can buy me classic skyrim: legendary edition.
It's free for the first week.. I think it should be free to try to draw people into the creation club.
Survival mode is a stolen version of frost
The Creation Club is not worth being drawn into. People shouldn't even download the free version. It just supports Bethesda's greed with metrics.
NorthernDragon lol. "Download" They were pre downloaded without your permission
Johnny Green Face: Stop being a pedant over semantics. You know full well what I meant.
I guess I chose the right time to completely give up on Bethesda games.
There is a term called "vote with your wallet" I've heard it from total biscuit. But that's what people should do. If you don't like these changes, don't buy into them, make it so they don't provide a lot of revenue and a ton of negative PR. And things will change. After all, this is an industry and if something makes no money, it will be discarted. If micro transactions make no money. They will eventually phase out.
Dark Lord Gaming you need to be loud about it too, make sure people know that people are against it and boycotting, it has a greater chance of snowballing.
If only the majority of people would boycott it.
Spikem59 Nigga stop even associating with the franchise.
There's one problem with that plan, a fatal flaw if you will. You, and likely your followers, are in the 1% of people who know about what is going on and are enacting a plan to attempt to do something about this. Bethesda Softworks gives exactly 0 shits about the collective you. They love their new, insanely loyal fans from the Sony camp who will pour about 100$ (if not more) each into the creation club, as it is obvious they are starved for "mod" content and will pay through the nose for it. It does not matter what we do as PC gamers, because we were never the target audience for this system.
@@Forren236 i dont think anybody heard u
I was literally screaming "NO!" over and over again when you did the Valenwood bit near the end.
You probably didn't, this is why you wrote "literally". I think you are a liar.
Since the begåvning of 2016 we've had 2 games that is buy for 60$ without any microtransactions: Titanfall 2 and Dark Souls 3.
I wonder if Zaric's suit grants fire resistance?
I think it has more of a troll repelent enchantment.
*dont flame me, you know I’m right*
So clearly the cc is in part Sony’s fault
Majinn Buu i dunno it could be sony xragged their heels because they didnt want this,unlikley tho hah
"Im gonna be even more of a jackass than usual".
That's what's so fucking great about your videos.
Good analysis and summary Zaric
As you say, follow the slippery trajectory...
Loved the video btw. I worry that when the next Elder Scroll or Fallout launches we will be stuck paying 60 to 100 dollars for a bare bone game. I picture all the important content stuck behind the creation club pay wall. I Will say bye bye Bethesda when that happens. The question is how many other players will do the same? Is this the disgusting future for gaming ?
Bethesda; "We won't take original content." *Proceeds to take original content from mod nexus*
I wonder if it's more scummy for them to lie to consumers and compile those mods for frostfall or if its scummier for them to lie to consumers and steal other peoples work.
I just hope that the people who worked on the original survival mods are the ones who worked on frostfall because otherwise it means that Bethesda is as smarmy as EA and Ubisoft.
Also, fallout 4 survival mode wasn't as good as fallout nv because its just 'they do more damage now!'
Jackass Zaric is best Zaric.
Wonder if its possible that Bethesda brings out there own game launcher like BattleNet/Origin to bypass Steam and get all the Bethesda bucks.
NaZtRdAmUs they already have their own launcher...
Never knew it existed mush looks like a piss poor version of Steam.
Nah, it's a pisspoor version of an empty version of Battlenet.
The simple fact that no-one knows about it shows the obvious flaw in making an inferior version of things to try and get more money.
Bethesda.net pales in comparison to the Nexus.
I would've ended the video with a: "Especially CDPR are NOT your friends".
That would've triggered all the fanboys hyping Cyberpunk 2077 to absurd levels (and the game doesn't even exist in any physical form yet) and it would've been glorious.
ChaosZero ノブ
Oh, do you think they’re not perfect? What is this madness?! Guards! Seize the unbeliever!!
Lol. Everyone defended them when they copyrighted “cyberpunk”. It’s only a matter of time before the copyright bullying begins.
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I cant wait for that game.
+RollinRoy They copyrighted cyberpunk? How do you copyright a genre name?
@Nukestarmaster
as easily as anything else, i suppose. i'm no lawyer.
i should clarify that i don't have any "beef" with cdprojekt red, but they're a company. companies aren't your friends, as zaric said.
Sounds like when Bethesda's skooma lawyers sued Mojang for their game "Scrolls". CDProject turning into Bethesda confirmed.
Unrelated to all of this Zaric, the auto-captions put "Skyrim Special Edition" to "Scam Special Edition"
Thought that was hilarious.
As a recent new subscriber to your channel I would like to thank you and yer channel! I learned a lot from modding builds and your insights on all about the Elder Scrolls and gaming.
Also indie or smaller studios is prolly the way to go for better gaming such as Larian Studios and Inxile studios. This creation club thingy is forming a vomit on my stomach on what Elder Scrolls 6 would look like.
You are an excellent speaker. Good work with this video.
Very good point made about the plausible changes Bethesda might make for TES6. That's always been my major concern and what I've been harping on since Creation Club was announced. Sigh...
Hey thanks for going over the whole thing. I can't keep up with vidya like I used to and it's cool to be able understand the whole thing.
I'm very very sad about the fact no paid SkyUI was ever allowed by fans. Of course a lot depends on the price itself, but this is the thing, SkyUI having the most unique downloads does not need to be expensive at all. I do not remember any numbers, but when paid mods were first released I made some maths (and you can still find proper numbers under Zaric's first video on the topic) but from what I remember it was somethilg like 0,10$ for SkyUI would bring in more than 1M$ dollars to it's creators (and that's already after subtracting Bethesda's Steams and tax shares). Would it really be any problem for any one from any part of the world to pay 10 cents?
That's just it. These don't have to be 8-10 dollars. I think the creation club would be seen as more favorable if things were like $1.
SkyUI is essentially a patch to fix the sloppy job Bethesda did in porting over Skyrim. Your suggestion seem to be an external team, approved by Bethesda, should make a patch to fix the UI, and I pay them for that, with part of my money going to Bethesda? Am I understanding you correctly?
You have to understand how greedy people are in general. Both in making money, and in spending money. If something was always offered for free, you'd have to give people a damn good reason to start paying for it.
How much money is too much money? Corporate greed has always been evil but micro transactions are the polished horns of the devil my friend. Shameless and utterly brilliant from a business perspective.
Want to play the Dark Brotherhood in TES VI? Good! Because you can by UNLOCKING the full PREMIUM experience for only $29.99! Want an extra follower and weapon pack to compliment? UPGRADE to the VALUE package!
Zaric, you beautiful man! Thanks for the videos!
I play Skyrim on a potato.
A potato knight ;)
Vulfreyde Why not a raddish?
Zaric's long criticism videos are the reason I keep on living
Not always I agree with your points; but I always love to hear your videos. They're a perfect fuel for thought!
25:04 The automated Caps says "Scam Special Edition" lol
Well.. the point with CC is that any future Bethesda game will have its finished content cut out of the released game to have it slapped on Creation Club to gouge extra cash. Thats what the MAIN PROBLEM is. And I don't see many people pointing that out.. yet.
Tell the playstation users to wait until they can get a PC, get legendary for about six dollars; and enjoy. It's what I did.
Darken De la Espada
The funny thing is that, even on a dirt cheap pc, you can play a modded skyrim. There are even mods that help with that - like the vanilla reduced textures.
+RollingRoy
When Steam allowed for users to try Special Edition for a few days free; I was surprised that my potato was able to run it smoothly.... on the highest graphics settings no less.
+RollinRoy
Special edition itself was allowed for free use for a few days which is what I originally checked it on. I'd rather not upgrade to special edition on Legendary because of mod compatibility.
@Darken De la Espada
your comment implies that special edition overwrites SLE. that is not how it works. SSE is considered a different game from SLE. it goes into an entirely different folder from olde skyrim. sadly, ya missed out.
oh, unless you're talking about one of those "free for ____ days" deals on steam. then, i misunderstood.
as far as compatibility goes, you are correct. even with the recent release of skse for SSE, it'll be a while before most mods are ready. i will wait -- drooling over myself -- for skse64 & its mods to be stable. oh, what a day. that should be a holiday. with sweet rolls and...and...yeah. __stops self from rambling__
+RollinRoy
Yes I was talking about the "free for____ days".
The decision seems to be a rather tough one as to which to get. On the one hand the time for upgrading to SSE has ended. But on the other hand just getting the original(SLE) would give access to all mods except for new ones and being forced to remain at 32bit vs 64bit which I assume is extremely significant but I wouldn't know. The problem is exacerbated when one takes into account the mods that will likely never be updated to fit with SSE. But then I've read a conflicting report that not many mods are made incompatible by the SSE.
Am I correct in saying that you think one should just get SSE instead of the original?
I broke my foot today, but your videos are the best kind if painkiller.
Vampire Seduction ---> ME: BETSHEDA IS NOT MY FRIEND! I MUST OBEY!
Now for a light fun moment...
Can we survive this?
I couldn't agree with you more on the point that companies aren't your friends. I have no idea why people think that a big name, for profit company miles upon miles away gives a rat's ass about your feelings. They aren't here to wipe away your tears and bring joy, they are here to make money off a media that has grown unbelievably lucrative over time. There are good companies that make quality products and try as best they can to provide for their fans while trying to maintain a profit, and bad ones that nickle and dime their customers every chance they get. We are still CUSTOMERS to both of them regardless. Wish people would understand that.
"I like getting money" wow... Great quote... Definitely gonna use this.
Great video. This really needs more views. I do wish modders could make money of their mods. A lot of them deserve it, like the one you pointed out with USLEEEP.
44:55 Ive always appreciated Zaric Zhakaron's honesty... I mean, who doesnt like getting money?
I also predict that companies fail to see where their greed is overstepping and it will haunt them when it all falls apart. For one reason or another.
Paid mods aren't altruistic period, and that's okay.
Mod maker's shouldn't have to go through Bethesda to sell their mods.
I got banned from elianoras page for calling her a sellout for her creation club content
"Companies are our friends" has pretty much been the American philosophy for the past 100 years.
I'm glad a lot a people in this comment section seem to be smarter-then-average consumers
You talking about consoles made me remember that i had some people ask "Why do you buy a PC it's so expensive compared to consoles". Everytime people ask that i have to remind them how overpriced consoles are (at least in my region) and how terrible the monetization is for console games (for the consumers). You talking about the people who spend hundreds of bucks on FIFA remind me why i'm a PC user and probably always will be, because i have a choice on this platform, whether legally or illegally to bypass these shady practices.
Exactly! the upfront cost for PC Gaming is bit more expensive, but in the long run you save tons of money just by avoiding the monetization model consoles use. they will Nickle and dime you to death if you let them.
Brutal honesty at its best. Well done, sir!
This seems like the way of any business that starts by catering to the fans because they are fans. There is the beginning which is great but some what lacking polish. Then they gain money and resources to create something amazing. A golden period if you will. A moment when fans and devs/producers/creators enjoy something truly amazing. Then the big money rolls in. Share holders, 3rd parties, etc. Then we're left reminiscing about having the good fortune to have been there when... a time before the inevitable entropy sat in.
Fuck that, the fifth column must be held responsible for further development of things like this.
For these reasons I keep playing Morrowind and Daggerfall when I miss TES games...
I will argue that not all companies just see us as dollar signs. I think your not far off in claiming the gamer publishers (whose sole purpose is to maximize profit) aren't our friends, but I think that there are plenty of game development studios that still operate with the players/fans best interests in mind. For example take 343 Industries (the company responsible for Halo 4 & 5). The Halo community was furious about the bad story and unfamiliar artstyle that Halo 5 had, but in the aftermath of game bashing by fans, they pretty much came out and fully admitted that they messed up. Not just in a damage control PR message, but also in person conversations with community members. They fully acknowledged they upset their fans, and instead just hand-waving the criticisms and catering only to the cod style of fans that didn't care about all that stuff, they listened actively worked to right there wrongs their next game (Halo Wars 2). That game (at least in the artstyle and story department) was basically an apology letter to fans for their previous mistake. Beyond that the company frequently has community spot lights for fan projects and even fan mods for other games. Yes they put micro-transactions in both Halo 5 and Halo Wars 2, and no I can't defend that. Maybe it was Microsoft Studio's (their publisher) idea, but even if it wasn't there's too much evidence to the contrary to claim the company cares only about making a profit. 343i and many other studios like i (CD Project Red for instance)t care about pleasing fans, making good games AND making money as a byproduct of that.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
tldr:
shits fucked
don't attack modders
write dear assface letter to zenimax
A lot of us boycotted Mass Effect for their treatment of ME3 and the team PR. Picked it up for $20 through a third party instead of giving them full price, game wasnt worth more than $20 anyhow.
companies had done this before like airlines and cellphone services, they sell you something but with a package
follow. the. trajectory.
Business practices in 2017 btw. that's it boys.
Hit the nail on the head. Put out a pretty product, make it look and play well enough so they can get as much money as possible.
I'm not surprised by any of this. Bethesda game studios. Amazing company. Amazing work being done there. Bethesda softworks on the other hand. Just look at the fact that they released an expansion for a full game, that was double the price of the game's original cost. Now I realize that was the expansion plus other perks, but it's still a huge slap in the face to gamers everywhere. They are the definition of corporate greed. And if they somehow don't find a way to ruin the elder scrolls and fallout series with absurd microtransactions and expansions I'll be amazed. At the end of the day, they know people will continue to buy it. Which is part of the problem. I don't think boycotting will work, not even saying to try it. I'm simply stating that part of the problem is the fact that people are still going to pay for this stuff, regardless of how much of a rip off it really is, therefore they will continue to exploit and take advantage of that. It honestly just makes me really sad.
I don't even think we rate as "customers".
"Resources" is a better term. We, or more accurately our money, is a resource for them to mine. When it appears they have exhausted one vein, they dig deeper. No amount of resources are enough. When the mining gets tough, they adapt using new mining technology such as microtransactions, loot crates, paid early access, season pass/Legendary Edition, Bethesda Bucks, paid mods and other.
Now the Survival mod back to 500 points/Bethesda Funbucks.
man they back down super hard after the 800 fiasco
This is part of a broader trend. Games will stop being a stand-alone product and become a service. Same with the rest of the software industry. Also very important the point you made about youtube mod reviewers making a living off of mods, while mod makers receive nothing. I would expect that mod reviewers would have handled the issue of paid mods carefully, but instead they all jumped on the hate bandwagon.
Fuck take games but NEVER touch my software. I'm kidding as a software developer o assure you most software isn't going to become like that
The problem is that the decision is not in the hands of developers. Executives, and through them, investors, decide the business model. And investors prefer a steady trickle of profit over a return filled with peaks and valleys.
Its also "safer" form their perspective because it tends to be a bit more difficult to steal a service entirely. Its sometimes possible to share but its harder to out and out pirate. Thankfully there will always be indie developers/new companies who are looking to garner success by standing out as "different" from the triple-A companies. They tend to have lower graphics, which thankfully I don't care about - FNV still looks fine to me weirdly enough - but can do more interesting/edgy/creative things.
Granted they're just companies too, trying to make money by manipulation of a sort (they may actually agree with the spirit at the start but they need to eat and will likely play it up until successful enough to slide into the same business practices they started off disliking. A "we all become our parents" thing. I tend to trust Obsidian and like its former/active devs, for example, but I expect it might even happen to them too in the coming years if they see increasing success.)
I am afraid that Skyrim SE and Fallout_4 are the last complete products that we are going to have the joy of modding with. Looking at the bright side though, Mod authors are awesome as they will probably prolong the life of those games for years.
Jungo Lungo! So much truth without additional hand holding!
You should do a video on the Daedric Princes, their planes of Oblivion, their different weapons, and their histories.
I don't even want Elder Scrolls VI anymore. It would be bittersweet indeed. Starfield will show us which direction they are heading as it will be the first game developed from the start 'around' creation Club, which means as always, cut content being sold back to us after we buy the game full retail price. ES VI will be developed arounf micro-transactions as well.
I dont think they would risk that
that would generate a massive shitstorm
As opposed to? lol. They open themselves up to shitstorms consistently. This will be nothing big for them. I almost feel bad for future Pete Hines haha.
Oh, this should be good.
Good old Zaric fighting the good fight
Its a sad truth. It sucks to see this developer move to this business model. Its like watching a car crash in slow motion. I just hope another indie dev steps up and gives us the Elder Scrolls type game we all want.
i agree with all that . that being said
looks like SKSE is moving forward there is version for modders in alpha stage now
so maybe maybe we get MCM menu soon and some off the
mods for Skyrim SE that need script extender
There's still room for Bethesda's to fully commit to the "Scummy" status. They should pull a Nintendo, creating their own private TH-cam network, restricting gameplay videos to only network members, and taking a 90% cut of all ad revenue.
I was hoping that Bethesda wouldn't hurt the chance of the creation club success. And I am hoping that they could be successful on it, so that way every other publishers could hop on that trend. And let their customers to have more content out of their games. But I would have to agree with you on that, because of what Bethesda's current direction is heading.
Well said Zaric, you are definitely right about all this and you're not a jackass you are just making a point on everything my friend that is what I like about you Keep up the good work.
I still haven't bought or played Fallout 4, i'm actually proud of that.
i bought Skyrim and Fallout 4 for a very good reason. i told myself that i was allowed 1 more of each STRICTLY because of mods and my new computer.
there won't be another Bethesda game in my future unless it's proved to be a good game with no qualifiers, no excuses, and no compromises.
and as a side note for if any game developer is looking to create an easily modded open world game that is willing to actually make a good game, i'm in. all in. take my money, because Bethesda isn't in the business of making the games i like anymore.
... That feeling when you realize he's right... fuck.
One of the underlying reasons for these changes in business practice has to do with digital delivery. How games are developed and purchased and supported has changed. There are still gamers clinging to the old high street retail model and physical ownership of a box and a disc; but most of us have moved on and are adapting to the digital age.
There will be a lot of disruption and controversy as corporations and customers adapt to the digital retail environment and systems. Mistakes will be made and corporations and customers will struggle to find equitable solutions. It will take time. The responsibility of customers is to let corporations know how they feel about their products and business practices - reviewing bombing for example, both negative and positive, if necessary.
I like that no matter where I look everyone repeats "Try Frosfall and Ineed " . If someone buys this SurvMode it will be console players (
ArcherXX Yeah and Frostfall and Ineed are on the xbox one.
ArcherXX and youtubers for mod reviews.
Edit: there's "survival/needs" mods for ps4 allready for free.
In that case I apologize to all console users . What was the reason for making it again ? Ah.. money...strange... who would buy it then ?!
ArcherXX Because they want to copy most top quality mods so it becomes part of they're creation club and also because its easier to copy successful mods than to create originals that and easy money.
ArcherXX except the free version of survival mode has been available to console users as well lol, I got mine back in June
Great video summing it all up but one question. Sunglasses in doors?
1tinytiger Where else are you supposed to hide them?
What about Nexus running ads on download pages, with a cut from the ads going to whoever's mod was being downloaded.
Nexus has some reason to do it, and modders get some monetary reward for their long service.
It sucks. I was so excited when the creation club was brought on , I have a ps4 , so finally being able to use mods was a dream come true. But the mods are cheap knockoffs of the free versions , except you have to pay for them. Now I bought a couple armor sets to add something new to my game , because Skyrim is so old , itself refreshing to have something new , but their prices are ridiculous. Pure greed to it's core , it makes me want to build my own computer rig. But I love console gaming , I've been playing playstation since I was 7 , I'm turning 26 , that's a hard tie for me to break. I feel if there is significant price drops then creation club would be a cool thing. If they have a modder steal an idea for creation club, give the credit from the original then. But having them take down mods is bullshit , Bethesda is like the empire in skyrim , a former shadow of itself. I understand original creator's getting pissed about shit , but don't let the corporate greed kill your creativity. People will always lean towards a better version of something , especially if they have to pay for it. If the community just stands together , Bethesda will bend. I mean monolith took out the microtransactions from shadow of war , probably because they sucked out every penny they were able to get , but eventually they listened to the community. Hopefully Bethesda's dark hearts will turn to the light again one day. They aren't the best anymore , and every game made recently is a perfect example of that. Maybe one day we will see a Bethesda without Todd Howard and his lies and black magic. I loved this one comment I saw that said Todd Howard is the perfect example for why you should level your speech craft hahaha. Fucking Todd Howard.......
Great video, Zaric. I always have a appreciation for good jackassery.
Not interested in ES6, really. This problem is prevalent in the whole of the gaming industry as of late. The creativity seems gone in a lot of AAA titles. The only AAA game I will probably get on day these days is Cyberpunk 2077 by CDPR. YES I know we are just customers, but at least they still treat their customers with something that resembles respect.
I love the 90s cartoons at the end lol
Damn...as one with a past in sales i can definitely recognize another one when i see it...
that sort of "respect" for the crudely and "earnings" based mentality, while at the same time condemning it; looking at ANYTHING a company does only as an act to masquerade what they really meant to obtain.
...it's obvious that Zaric had a past in sales.
One example i always do to people that claim that "this-that company cares" is this:
you know whenever you hear a company donating to charity? It is awesome that they did it, and you probably should commend them for it; but that is not WHY they were doing that. They were probably doing it mostly if not only for the good publicity it would create for them, for obtaining contacts in the future or, to simply put it, to get something back.
Bethesda is not your friend..other people rarely are completely honest 'till the end, why should companies be?
Don't ever score games, the adjustment I made is simple. I removed both Skyrim SE, and Fallout 4 from my Steam Account, for good.
If the next BGS game has the Creation Club, I will never even buy it, I won't tolerate Microtransactions in any game, not even FTP, and won't buy, or play them.
I wouldn't call it a boycott, as I never get games with Microtransactions, so more I line I won't cross, like Shadow of War.
You can have your cynical view that allows you to see how sad and disappointing every aspect of human existence is.
Meanwhile I'll just be here with the optimistic view, living in the intoxicating bliss of ignorance.
Love your content by the way.
I'm going to wait for the complete bundle to be less then £20. Plenty of other stuff to play till then.
I'm so glad I broke free some Sony's shackles.
I think a game crash is on the horizon, and part of me is looking foreward to it. Games are constantly being sold with half the content cut out for full price. I'm not necicerally that old. I'm 22, but I played Diablo2 way back, I played Age Of Empires, I remember how post release content used to be handled. It was huge. Expansion packs as we called them, were massive and *expanded* the game, adding characters, bosses, gear, and maps. DLC nowadays is generally garbage. Witcher did a DLC right, I wont suc them off too much but I cant think of any really great DLC in this past year. If anyone can correct me with an example or a "blood and wine" sized DLC in this past year please do.
The most sinister thing about CC is, now that it's set up and existing, it will eventually kill off free mods. It will cause the "brain drain" so the best and highest quality mods will be only available there and we will be left only with work of less capable and less talented people. Bethesda will be satisfied if this little project of theirs brings 0 money but does not cause financial loss at first. Earned money will be reinvested into funding more and more modders until the free modding scene is desolate place and all we are left with are paid mods. Then they will start raking in some phat cash.
Yes, it's a slow and very gradual process but like torturer's poison it will eventually work it's way to the heart. Corporations are in it for a long haul and won't mind waiting till free mods fade out of collective memory.
I personnaly have a rather positive outlook on the whole paid mods thing, and think the real issue is only the fact that Bethesda Softworks is charging way too much money for their "modsdlcsthingies". I don't think it makes the game better or worse, because so far, it is perfectly optional to buy their stuff, at least for PC. If I want a survival mod, I can also look on the internet, since so far Bethesda doesn't seem to mind "competition" as long as said competition doesn't get paid for it. I wouldn't condemn Bethesda for trying to do their cashgrab either (Its the job of any company to make money afterall, so its only logic they'd try eventually), or mod authors who made mods for Bethesda, in fact I am okay with the quality of the mods on the Creation Club. But they are charged way too high for the content they offer ($1 for a pipboy skin for exemple, is NOT a good deal, if they made it a pack of skins for the pipboy for $1, it would only be fair then depending on the number of skins + additional quality of said skins; I probably wouldn't buy it because I don't care about skins in general, but it would at least seem fair).
In short, I would, in all honesty, gladly throw some of my money at Bethesda from time to time, if they weren't being cheapskate and charging horrendous prices for what they offer (I'll probably get shot for saying that...). So maybe I'll buy one of their mod if they really make something I want to get on the creation club, but I'll probably just steer clear of it as long as its wallet threatening.
But if it evolves later in something horrible that plagues the existence of any game published under Bethesda Softworks and remove the fun out of them, then I will change my opinion about it for the worse, and I sure hope that it would change for the better, but well, corporate bullshit and all, probably wont happen, at best it will probably remain where it is right now, unless the three ghosts of christmas come visit Bethesda and they suddenly get a conscience, but they'd probably try to buy one.
Funny story, I got a legendary edition skyrim so I got Skyrim special edition free. I installed it a single time, then I never touched it again. Preferring my original Skyrim because of a lot of factors, one being skse making a lot of my mods unplayable in SSE. I also had it crash my original Skyrim somehow. I know this because soon as I removed it, instantly started working again. That caused me to never want to trust the game enough to re-install ever.
Personally I don't agree with the creation club idea, but, some larger mods such as Beyond Skyrim would benefit tenfold form the creation club and I wouldn't mind spend $20-30 on that mod, because it'd basically be just a new polished DLC for Skyrim.
Well, Fallout 76 somehow exceeded his worst predictions for scumbaggery. RIP Bethesda.
hey i finally listened to your video where you mention shadowkey, can you please elaborate on why we never saw that multiplayer experience again after? its the only fucking multiplayer that the majority of the fans wanted as far as i could tell.
Ahhh. . if only Beth could just. . .ohhh I dunno. . . make a more compelling Elderscrolls title.
Look at the popular mods. What people want in their ES title. Shit that was roughed out in Daggerfall.
They have direct insight into what people want and ignore it.
Mods are great, but you have to put in some time and work to have fun.
This biggest bit of bullshit is the pricing model -- them leftover points -- the fact you can't just buy precisely what you want for the price it actually is. You have to buy some stupid currency. The price per value is also skewed quite high.
welcome to the wonderful world of *Monetized Modding* !!!