The best is to have both propane (or a heat pump) and wood. When the price of propane goes up, you have a backup plan. Also when there's winter storms and power outages, the wood heat is real nice. Wood is great but it's a lot of work to heat with it full time.... If you just heat part time with wood it's a fun hobby.
You couldn’t have said it better man. Heating with a wood stove full time is a lot of work.. Plus coming after a long day of work or being out of town, last thing you want to do start a fire lol. I finally fixed my ductwork for my gas furnace. So now I’m doing both. For busy days or when I’m going out of town, it’s nice to just set the thermostat. But when I have time, you can’t beat the wood stove heat. I actually enjoyed starting a fire today because I haven’t done it in a few days. It’s nice to know if the power does go out (which it does where I live) I can still heat my home. Anyways thanks for listening. Just figured I’d reply because your post related to me 100%.
I really liked this video. I appreciate the calm, logical way you presented information, instead of trying to sway people, one way or the other. We just installed a heat pump this year, but our backup system is a wood-burning fireplace insert. What is pretty unique about our setup is that there are dual plenum chambers above the stove with standpipes that go up into the attic and tie into the hot air return ducting for our HVAC system. The intakes for those plenum chambers are located above the doors of the wood stove, in the masonry. That means when the fire warms up the plenum chambers, hot air rises and draws cooler air in through those intakes. This actually pushes the hot air through the duct work and around the entire closed loop, with warm air coming out in each room of the home. The new furnace and thermostat we installed has a "Recirculate" setting, so when we get a warm fire going, we just turn that on and we can keep the entire house about as warm as we want it. Yes, I LIKE wood heat! :)
We installed a catalytic wood stove and the initial cost was quite high as we had to replace everything including the chimney, but the stove is so efficient that it will pay for itself faster than any other heating source. Your video was very informative and you are right about going through so much propane if it is working all the time.
$480.00 last fill of propane tank. That was two years ago. We heat strictly with our old log stove in basement now. Warms ceramic tile in kitchen and with only 3 fans move air efficiently keep 2200 square feet toasty warm. Such gentle heat and walls don't feel like they are radiating cold, like when we used propane. And we get free wood. Thanks for the videos, great job!!!
@@stanjr1968 no, we buy lumber culls, a load at a time, some loads are already dry. Just buck and split. Wife makes "Lincoln Log" piles a few feet from the log stove. Anything that is wet is kiln dried in a couple of days. Usually $350 a load. We still have free wood in the upper pasture and dead fall to take care of. Have a log splitter that stands upright and have it attached to tractor. Blasts through anything.
I want to thank you so very much for taking the time to do this video for all of us. I think I am going to get rid of my old Schrader Woodstove & buying a new stove with a front see through glass that will burn less wood & be more economical. With wood now cosing me about $200 a cord, we have to think smarter..thanks to you!
Man how cold does it get down there i live in northern ontario where it regularly goes in the -f from december to march and i never used one full tank 400 gallons in one winter in fact i switched to 2 100-120 gallon tanks
Excelent content! One little thing though: if you have trees on your property doesn't mean your fuel is for free. That wood can still be sold. In this position you are both the buyer and the supplier. Is like running a shop on a busy street and be happy that you have the advantage of not paying a rent because the building is yours. This might be true but what if on that street the rent is way higher then your business profits? Close the shop and rent.
I agree wood stove heat is awesome. But I heat my 2600 sq. ft. home at 6800 ft. elev.in Commirado on $1200 a winter. I noticed you didn't have coal in your graph. Cheaper than all of them. I will be installing a wood stove this summer, not for cost savings, but to survive when all the greenie power fails.
My friend, very informative video series ..... however, there are omissions in your calculus ..... with propane, you don’t touch it and set your Tstat. With wood, get ready; chainsaws, axes, wedges, brooms, racking, stacking, moving, vacuuming, starters, Advil, dirty, and fire management to name several ...... I have a pellet stove, heat pump, and propane furnace ..... nice work on all the videos!!
We have an outside wood burner and a fire place. We tied the out side wood burner to our electric heat duct, which is in the basement and make a big U shape. We heat almost exclusively with wood in the the winter. The fan is a 110 volt at the wood burner and it is plenty....I do have a small generator to run the fan in the event of a power outage. The fire place also can heat most of the up stairs area in the event of an extended power outage. We sold the propane tank several years ago. Only had to start the generator twice in that time. Wood is king here.
Only I know some people who own big acres with plenty forestry to collect dead trees and keep feed new tree grown. To put bury wood store in house more cheaper because you still spend money on chain saw and put trailer bring to storage to keep dry. Lot of work to take care of it. But you getting old cannot handle pick up and cut tree wear you out. 😢
We have a forced air wood furnace electric combo unit, we have been happy with it for almost 30 years, and are still happy. The problem we see in Canada lately is insurance companies don’t want to insure solid fuel. So next year we will have the electric furnace replaced with propane (electricity prices are nuts) and will list that as primary while still using wood primarily, as long as we’re physically able anyway.
Paid that heat bill for 40 yrs.. went off grid last Oct. made a woodstove out of a 30 gal. trash can. Spent 95 dollars for a chinese chainsaw. All together I have less than 250 invested. Cut my own wood. Lived in tent all winter. 12 below outside 80 - 85 inside my tent! Wood is way better. My opinion.
All I use is wood...asked insurance if I could install or needed a professional do that...insurance said I could so I did that...well the labor working with wood helps keep you in shape...much more beneficial burning wood
I made an after-burner type of wood stove (rocket stove) It is very small, 12x14".x3 ft. But.. it heats my house on the coldest days in N.Wi. -30 degrees. I have to carry in an armload of wood a day. It is dangerous as the top goes up to 650 deg. F. The exhaust however is just warm and smoke is not visible. Good show.
Grew up with a stove, it was the main thing I looked for when buying my first home. We have natural gas with a tankless heater so we save big on that and we use the stove to help offset the gas cost. Last year we burned 1.5 cords and im trying to up that to 2 this year. We have about 4 cords ready now.
I've used liquid propane and a "ventless" fireplace for 8 years. My heat is instant and I've spent $245.00 US Dollars here in 2022. That's cheaper than the current rate of a cord of wood and/or a pallet of wood pellets. One 100 pound propane tank lasts me about 30 days and I have 3 one hundred pound tanks. You will need a ventless heating system to get good quality heat with propane. Most of the old systems are not ventless and tend to lose a lot of heat. I'm no longer physically able to do the work needed for firewood but I do miss the quality of heat sometimes.
Id like to hear your thoughts and opinions on outdoor wood boilers vs indoor woodstoves. Im between the two currently in our 1850 farmhouse. Brick n plaster no insulation on exterior walls.
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If I could figure out how to sell a gym/diet membership cutting wood I'd hang a sign off my front gate and cut an infomercial, lol. Thanks for watching.
You have a good amount of masonry around you iron stove, nice. You have really good masonry heater builders in North America (MHA), this is another option that costs more up front but will save you even more on wood and will heat 24 hours a day from 1 or 2 fires. Like Mark Twain said, the American (iron) woodstove is a terror (compared to masonry heaters).
I have a wood stove in my basement and the heat coming up is not uniform, One side of the house will be 55 degrees and the other side will be 68, so I need the propane heat to make it more uniform, The basement will be 76 degrees
Thank you for information. I have wood fireplace in my home. I buy split wood for fireplace. I also have central propane heater. The difference is when I want to heat the bedrooms I use propane because fireplace only heats main living room. The big difference is time it takes to bring living room up to temperature. With wood it can take one or two hours to get room to temp I want. Propane it takes half hour. Wood is great but propane is quicker.
I have an lp boiler with in floor heat in the basement and baseboard radiators on the main floor. I have a mini split system on the main floor. I have a wood stove as a supplementary source. I would need another wood stove downstairs but the floor would be cold. I am in northern Minnesota. It’s a full time job processing wood.
great video . my wife and I have been burning wood for 23 yrs and would not think of getting away from it . I walk out my back door and smell the wood smoke and man it is awesome . I put an Englander wood furnace in my basement and tied it into my duck work about 5 yrs ago I burn less wood and get better heat . as I said great video I subscribed and will check out other videos you have done . you and yours be safe
Well growing up using wood as the only heat source in our house. Makes you realize it's importance and cost savings. I have 5 acres full of trees. It took 3 years to use the biggest dead tree we had. Since then I've installed propane also. No natural gas where I live. A vent free blue flame unit. It's nice as a backup for the wood. I don't have to get up in the middle of the night anymore to feed the fire. Just refill before I go to work. The gas is still cheaper than electric. During last years power outages my family was still comfortable. We could still cook and was able to stay nice and cozy. I have both generators and solar power so no issues. My grandparents tought me to never put all your eggs in 1 basket. I'm also an old school basshead. I have 25k watt sound system in my play truck. So why is that important. Here's your answer. I have enough Xtra batteries in that truck to run my solar power for 4.5 full days without even starting the truck. At 1/2 load on the solar setup. It takes about an hr to get 90 percent charge at idle. So the moral of the story. Have many baskets to put your eggs in. If something happens to 1 or 2 of them don't sweat it.
yah dumb dumb did rely on the power company to much 2 years in a row 7 days so so with no heat in the winter 🤦🏻♂ and the wood fire system wasn't maintained or fueled enough to operate so now im motivated to fix that before it happens again and a 100K usd or more bill in damages so wood open fire place's vs gas furnace vs solar/wind plus heat pumping ? ( working on adding panels now ) not counting install costs but just running costs as i though for a suburban home the smart pick is LPG or solar and use the fire 🔥place as o crap it got bad
Love wood burning stoves, have two going in my future home. Propane as secondary heat while I’m gone, injured, or sick. I get an employee discount for delivering it too.
I heat my old mobile home in north central MN with wood heat using a modern, secondary burn, sheet metal wood stove. I don't have any hardwood timber on my property. I buy 5 cords of 8 foot oak logs for $95 a cord and block them and split them. It's a lot of work but it only costs me $600 a year to heat. I turned 70 this spring. There is a propane furnace but I only use it for backup. I bought a 250 gallon propane tank. You can only fill them to 80% so it holds 200 gallons. A full tank lasts me 2 years. I run a cook stove with pilot lights and can fill BBQ size tanks for the BBQ, ice fishing house, camper, and on demand water heater at my other off grid property. If the electricity goes out I have heat, a cook stove, lights with a Coleman lantern, and the generator can be run intermittently to heat the well house and pump water.
Yes, we use to heat with wood. Started out with just an open brick fireplace and that wasn't efficient at all, most of the heat went up the chimmy and it burned a lot of wood the the 2nd year I bought a cast-iron insert for $300.00 (used) & then 3 pieces of wood would last 3-6 hours & my brother's were loggers so wood was free, just had to work for it. But I would cut wood every other Saturday all spring & summer and that would last all winter. We only used our heating system when we were out of town. Other than that we heated 99% of the time with wood & nothing was better.
Your 500 gallon tank actually only holds 400 gallons of liquid propane. 20 % of the tank can not be filled for safety reasons. The 20 % has to remain empty of the liquid to allow for expansion.
I have 2 wood stoves in a 5 bedroom ranch. Have a oil boiler back up. Only used a 235 tank every 3-4 yesrs. Keeps house 75 to 80 separate through april. 20 face cord i do myself. Love it was born doing it
We live in the UP of MI. If its below 32 we burn 2 cords a month. I cut our wood, each cord cost me maybe 10 dollars because I cut the wood where I hunt. So, Im already in the woods hunting the wood is just a bonus.
The wood v. alternatives (gas, oil, etc.) doesn't consider the cost of your time if you are processing the wood. I love wood aesthetically but a load of hardwood logs is many hours of work away from being usable in the fireplace. Assuming your time is not super valuable (like some sort of job or side hustle), wood makes more sense and provides exercise as well, plus you can't beat the joy of a fireplace.
Not only does wood take time,but after years of cutting,hauling,splitting,stacking,etc. The physical toll is something to consider. Every joint in my body hurts. I'm sure the wood cutting didn't help matters.
@@Jason1Pa I have to agree with that. I even injured my back once while cutting g wood and suffered for 2 years until I gave in and had back surgery. You can imagine what that cost. Also I had to replace my chain saw about every 3 years. I went through chains about 3 a year at a cost of about $50/ chain. There are other costs to consider such as wear and tear on your trailer and / or tractor for hauling the wood. I split my wood with a splitting maul, but most people use a hydraulic wood splitter. They cost quite a bit and do require fuel and maintenance as well.
Did we mention the character building value of firewood fetching duties for your kids I mean in winter without the garden to weed they need something to do.
Have a wood stove ,burning wood for about 40 years. I have a gas furnace, gas hot water , gas dryer . I burn (free) crap wood from a tree guy down the st he can’t sale. Stove don’t care hard or soft some time really bad stuff ,but it al burns warm.My gas budget is about $20 a month ,most of the time I have a credit. Cost on burning wood al depends on your cost of wood ! Stay safe, stay warm. Love wood heat !
Since the wood on the property is a resource, to find the comparible cost for propane, you must subtract the cost of the firewood that won't be burned, but can be sold for its alternative use as income. Also, don't forget your labor can be used for other, possibly higher value than cutting firewood. Wood fires are so nice, they have an ascetic value.
Not true...side by side wood is 6 times less btu then propane..the reason u burned so much propane is propane heaters are really different. If u have blue flame on propane it could be lite right away and heat wood takes forever to start. I i love wood way better then any gas. But unfortunately gas is way more efficient
100grams of butane gives 1kw of heat. So a pound of butane gives about 5kw of heat. Where I live ( Spain) you get a 14kg butane cylinder for 12'50€ roughly 10$ USD A cord of wood costs 100€/ 90$ USD if you have it delivered and you don't get ripped off by the wood delivery company. Butane is what I use most of the time unless it's really really cold. I sell and deliver firewood that I cut and process myself from my land. I have an open fireplace which can take 50kgs/100lb of wood in one go. My gas heater has wheels on it which means that I can move it around the house and I can put it closer to my chair or even put it in the bathroom for showering. My house is 1000m2/ 3300 ft2. So 12'50€ of butane can last me at least 10 days whilst a cord of wood will last the same, but is worth 100€ in my pocket if I sell it so in my case it costs me roughly 10 times more to use wood than butane. Plus all the work of cleaning, lighting and carrying all that wood into the house. Some of my customers whom have a wood stove can get by a month on a cord of wood (100€) So the moral to this story is that an open fireplace costs 10 X more than butane and a proper cast iron wood stove is much more economical to run than an open fireplace 😁😁😁 but butane is still cheaper, cleaner and easier to light up. Thanks for your video
I'm gone too much of the day to heat with wood a lot. But I got a pellet stove and 1 bag will last me around 18-20 hours. Perfect for when I'm not around to fill the wood stove. And generator back up when the power goes out, automatically.
@@valeriehofmann2615 i pay 220 a ton, 50 bags, 40 pounds each. And if its not that cold i get the temp up to 70 and shut it off for 3-5 hours, so in anything but real cold weather 1 bag will easily last a day or more.
Don’t get me wrong I love wood heat but it’s a lot of work and the only reason I burn it is because I have a lot of woods But my neighbor has a 500 pound propane tank and his house is 3000 ft.² And he goes through one tank of propane a year yes his house as well insulated
You are misscalculating the cost. You are buying the propane after 40 % tax. 23 % alimony etc. on your money. I charge to cut down a tree. Charge to haul it away. To my house. Free wood. Free heat. Good exercise. I keep 100% of my pile of wood. Tree trimmers leave wood stacked along roads when they do power lines.
With the average price of a kilowatt at $0.08, the average electrical cost to run a stove would be . 303kw x . 08 = 2.42 cents per hour. If a stove ran for 24 hours in a day in the dead of winter it would use approximately 58 cents per day (2.42 cents x 24 hours =58.176 cents) or about $17 for that month.
I use wood only and find my wood all for free. You can't beat that just a little bite work and no bill not more than 200 to heat the house with wood. And has for spliter and gas in truck and saws not bad
I don’t know where you’re buying your saw at I don’t know where you’re buying your log splitter at and it’s only cost you $200 a year What did your stove and Shimley cost you
Spent over 1000 dollars for 250gal of fuel oil.that only lasted 3 months.bought a new wood an coal stove the very next year never looked back.that was 15 years ago.
I don't, of course, know how big your house is. But, if you went through 500 gallons of propane in 90 days you must have a big house, or a inefficient one. I live in southern MN and don't go through that much. Of course if you made the house more efficient that would also help if you were burning wood too because you would have to use less of it . The first step with "any" type of heat is to work on the house first.
My experience has been wood can almost do it all, but it's good insurance to have a furnace as a backup...no one wants frozen pipes! I use a woodstove and I end up paying about $100/heating season for oil. I buy a cord of wood every 2 years and make up the difference with wood I scrounge on my property or scrap wood like wood pallets. So, say $200 cash each heating season. My neighbors often pay $400 a MONTH for oil.
So I heat my house for firewood so let’s break this down my Saw cost me $800 my log splitter cost me $1700 my tractor cost me $20,000 a wagon is around $500 my wood stove from tractor supply $1400 and then you need to buy your chimney for your woodstove that’s probably gonna be another $500 I cut 12 core of firewood every year it usually takes me about one month to do that cause I do it by myself off of my own land so the cost of me doing that per hour is probably $1000 in labor and that’s me doing it by myself my house is 2500 ft.² and and really well insulated and I live in Pennsylvania and it gets really cold here in the Winter in the country But I’m thinking I’m switching over to propane because to me it’s cheaper in the long run
Keep the wood stove as a back up. Never get rid of a source of heat, food, water, propane, etc. Trump, like him or hate him, he always said to have a back up plan. Keep a back up plan. Back up everything. I have two 500 gallon propane tanks for furnace and Generac. I have a wood burning insert, 16KW Generac.
Propane is cheaper for me too. In Ohio propane is reasonable. My supplier let’s me pre-buy for the season. Wood, coal, oil, I’ve tried them all. Even had solar panels. Lots of grief to keep warm.
@@davehaggerty3405 propane will not be cheaper once Obiden is done with the energy sector. Good to have a back up. Fires are nice. If all you have is propane and something happens where you cannot get propane or the cost. You will be glad that you have wood as a back up.
So how long will your chain saw last? Splitter? Wood stove? Wagon? Tractor? You seem to think all of those assets will be used up in one winter season. It's called an investment.
500 gallons of Propane typically cost us 350 a fill. This winter was colder, we ordered propane sooner than usual. The price was INSANE! Cost us 759.00 to fill! This will be our last winter using propane as heat. Going to a wood burner without a doubt! More work, little dirtier much cheaper and far more reliable!
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The best is to have both propane (or a heat pump) and wood. When the price of propane goes up, you have a backup plan. Also when there's winter storms and power outages, the wood heat is real nice. Wood is great but it's a lot of work to heat with it full time.... If you just heat part time with wood it's a fun hobby.
You couldn’t have said it better man. Heating with a wood stove full time is a lot of work.. Plus coming after a long day of work or being out of town, last thing you want to do start a fire lol. I finally fixed my ductwork for my gas furnace. So now I’m doing both. For busy days or when I’m going out of town, it’s nice to just set the thermostat. But when I have time, you can’t beat the wood stove heat. I actually enjoyed starting a fire today because I haven’t done it in a few days. It’s nice to know if the power does go out (which it does where I live) I can still heat my home. Anyways thanks for listening. Just figured I’d reply because your post related to me 100%.
I really liked this video. I appreciate the calm, logical way you presented information, instead of trying to sway people, one way or the other. We just installed a heat pump this year, but our backup system is a wood-burning fireplace insert. What is pretty unique about our setup is that there are dual plenum chambers above the stove with standpipes that go up into the attic and tie into the hot air return ducting for our HVAC system. The intakes for those plenum chambers are located above the doors of the wood stove, in the masonry. That means when the fire warms up the plenum chambers, hot air rises and draws cooler air in through those intakes. This actually pushes the hot air through the duct work and around the entire closed loop, with warm air coming out in each room of the home. The new furnace and thermostat we installed has a "Recirculate" setting, so when we get a warm fire going, we just turn that on and we can keep the entire house about as warm as we want it. Yes, I LIKE wood heat! :)
We installed a catalytic wood stove and the initial cost was quite high as we had to replace everything including the chimney, but the stove is so efficient that it will pay for itself faster than any other heating source. Your video was very informative and you are right about going through so much propane if it is working all the time.
$480.00 last fill of propane tank. That was two years ago. We heat strictly with our old log stove in basement now. Warms ceramic tile in kitchen and with only 3 fans move air efficiently keep 2200 square feet toasty warm. Such gentle heat and walls don't feel like they are radiating cold, like when we used propane. And we get free wood. Thanks for the videos, great job!!!
Two years on a tank is pretty darn good. I've had leaks faster than that! Thanks for watching.
Where do u live ?
@@scottbaican9566 MO Ozarks about an hour from Branson, east.
So does your wood already come cut and split to you for free
@@stanjr1968 no, we buy lumber culls, a load at a time, some loads are already dry. Just buck and split. Wife makes "Lincoln Log" piles a few feet from the log stove. Anything that is wet is kiln dried in a couple of days. Usually $350 a load. We still have free wood in the upper pasture and dead fall to take care of. Have a log splitter that stands upright and have it attached to tractor. Blasts through anything.
I want to thank you so very much for taking the time to do this video for all of us. I think I am going to get rid of my old Schrader Woodstove & buying a new stove with a front see through glass that will burn less wood & be more economical. With wood now cosing me about $200 a cord, we have to think smarter..thanks to you!
Glad I could help!
If you are going to heat your home with wood, get a catalytic burner stove.
We are in Wisconsin. In December- February we go through 400 gallons in about 38 days.
Man how cold does it get down there i live in northern ontario where it regularly goes in the -f from december to march and i never used one full tank 400 gallons in one winter in fact i switched to 2 100-120 gallon tanks
@@iwasrithor1122 I suppose it depends on the size of the house as well as the outside temperatures.
Excelent content!
One little thing though: if you have trees on your property doesn't mean your fuel is for free. That wood can still be sold. In this position you are both the buyer and the supplier.
Is like running a shop on a busy street and be happy that you have the advantage of not paying a rent because the building is yours. This might be true but what if on that street the rent is way higher then your business profits? Close the shop and rent.
I agree wood stove heat is awesome. But I heat my 2600 sq. ft. home at 6800 ft. elev.in Commirado on $1200 a winter. I noticed you didn't have coal in your graph. Cheaper than all of them. I will be installing a wood stove this summer, not for cost savings, but to survive when all the greenie power fails.
My friend, very informative video series ..... however, there are omissions in your calculus ..... with propane, you don’t touch it and set your Tstat. With wood, get ready; chainsaws, axes, wedges, brooms, racking, stacking, moving, vacuuming, starters, Advil, dirty, and fire management to name several ...... I have a pellet stove, heat pump, and propane furnace ..... nice work on all the videos!!
exactly
LOL.... #1 - ADVIL !!!
You forgot another one... Important too.... Allergy !!!
Bugs in the house?
@@hubster4477 😂
i like your common sense way of communicating.
We have an outside wood burner and a fire place. We tied the out side wood burner to our electric heat duct, which is in the basement and make a big U shape. We heat almost exclusively with wood in the the winter. The fan is a 110 volt at the wood burner and it is plenty....I do have a small generator to run the fan in the event of a power outage. The fire place also can heat most of the up stairs area in the event of an extended power outage. We sold the propane tank several years ago. Only had to start the generator twice in that time. Wood is king here.
Only I know some people who own big acres with plenty forestry to collect dead trees and keep feed new tree grown. To put bury wood store in house more cheaper because you still spend money on chain saw and put trailer bring to storage to keep dry. Lot of work to take care of it. But you getting old cannot handle pick up and cut tree wear you out. 😢
thank you for the details.
We have a forced air wood furnace electric combo unit, we have been happy with it for almost 30 years, and are still happy.
The problem we see in Canada lately is insurance companies don’t want to insure solid fuel. So next year we will have the electric furnace replaced with propane (electricity prices are nuts) and will list that as primary while still using wood primarily, as long as we’re physically able anyway.
Very informative! Thank you!
Paid that heat bill for 40 yrs.. went off grid last Oct. made a woodstove out of a 30 gal. trash can. Spent 95 dollars for a chinese chainsaw. All together I have less than 250 invested. Cut my own wood. Lived in tent all winter. 12 below outside 80 - 85 inside my tent!
Wood is way better.
My opinion.
All I use is wood...asked insurance if I could install or needed a professional do that...insurance said I could so I did that...well the labor working with wood helps keep you in shape...much more beneficial burning wood
Exactly. Our electric bill is around $70 in winter, Oct-mid April. Always find give away trees and cut and split myself. We love our wood stove.
I made an after-burner type of wood stove (rocket stove) It is very small, 12x14".x3 ft. But.. it heats my house on the coldest days in N.Wi. -30 degrees. I have to carry in an armload of wood a day. It is dangerous as the top goes up to 650 deg. F. The exhaust however is just warm and smoke is not visible. Good show.
Grew up with a stove, it was the main thing I looked for when buying my first home. We have natural gas with a tankless heater so we save big on that and we use the stove to help offset the gas cost. Last year we burned 1.5 cords and im trying to up that to 2 this year. We have about 4 cords ready now.
Excellent video . Helped me so much in making our big decision. Cant thank you enough . God Bless !!!
I've used liquid propane and a "ventless" fireplace for 8 years. My heat is instant and I've spent $245.00 US Dollars here in 2022. That's cheaper than the current rate of a cord of wood and/or a pallet of wood pellets. One 100 pound propane tank lasts me about 30 days and I have 3 one hundred pound tanks. You will need a ventless heating system to get good quality heat with propane. Most of the old systems are not ventless and tend to lose a lot of heat. I'm no longer physically able to do the work needed for firewood but I do miss the quality of heat sometimes.
Id like to hear your thoughts and opinions on outdoor wood boilers vs indoor woodstoves. Im between the two currently in our 1850 farmhouse. Brick n plaster no insulation on exterior walls.
Air to air exchange is best. No power=no problem . Outdoor wood boilers need electric to move water
Nice Job On Your Video !!! I Put Up About 12 Cords A Year ,You Forgot To Mention ,No Gym Membership Needed ,A Lot Of Good Old Fashion Work Involved ,But I Enjoy It ,Thank You For Your Videos !!!
If I could figure out how to sell a gym/diet membership cutting wood I'd hang a sign off my front gate and cut an infomercial, lol. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for sharing!
You have a good amount of masonry around you iron stove, nice. You have really good masonry heater builders in North America (MHA), this is another option that costs more up front but will save you even more on wood and will heat 24 hours a day from 1 or 2 fires. Like Mark Twain said, the American (iron) woodstove is a terror (compared to masonry heaters).
I have a wood stove in my basement and the heat coming up is not uniform, One side of the house will be 55 degrees and the other side will be 68, so I need the propane heat to make it more uniform, The basement will be 76 degrees
Thank you for information. I have wood fireplace in my home. I buy split wood for fireplace. I also have central propane heater. The difference is when I want to heat the bedrooms I use propane because fireplace only heats main living room. The big difference is time it takes to bring living room up to temperature. With wood it can take one or two hours to get room to temp I want. Propane it takes half hour. Wood is great but propane is quicker.
I have an lp boiler with in floor heat in the basement and baseboard radiators on the main floor. I have a mini split system on the main floor. I have a wood stove as a supplementary source. I would need another wood stove downstairs but the floor would be cold. I am in northern Minnesota. It’s a full time job processing wood.
great video . my wife and I have been burning wood for 23 yrs and would not think of getting away from it . I walk out my back door and smell the wood smoke and man it is awesome . I put an Englander wood furnace in my basement and tied it into my duck work about 5 yrs ago I burn less wood and get better heat . as I said great video I subscribed and will check out other videos you have done . you and yours be safe
Well growing up using wood as the only heat source in our house. Makes you realize it's importance and cost savings. I have 5 acres full of trees. It took 3 years to use the biggest dead tree we had. Since then I've installed propane also. No natural gas where I live. A vent free blue flame unit. It's nice as a backup for the wood. I don't have to get up in the middle of the night anymore to feed the fire. Just refill before I go to work. The gas is still cheaper than electric. During last years power outages my family was still comfortable. We could still cook and was able to stay nice and cozy. I have both generators and solar power so no issues. My grandparents tought me to never put all your eggs in 1 basket. I'm also an old school basshead. I have 25k watt sound system in my play truck. So why is that important. Here's your answer. I have enough Xtra batteries in that truck to run my solar power for 4.5 full days without even starting the truck. At 1/2 load on the solar setup. It takes about an hr to get 90 percent charge at idle. So the moral of the story. Have many baskets to put your eggs in. If something happens to 1 or 2 of them don't sweat it.
yah dumb dumb did rely on the power company to much 2 years in a row 7 days so so with no heat in the winter 🤦🏻♂ and the wood fire system wasn't maintained or fueled enough to operate so now im motivated to fix that before it happens again and a 100K usd or more bill in damages so wood open fire place's vs gas furnace vs solar/wind plus heat pumping ? ( working on adding panels now ) not counting install costs but just running costs as i though for a suburban home the smart pick is LPG or solar and use the fire 🔥place as o crap it got bad
Love wood burning stoves, have two going in my future home. Propane as secondary heat while I’m gone, injured, or sick. I get an employee discount for delivering it too.
I heat my old mobile home in north central MN with wood heat using a modern, secondary burn, sheet metal wood stove. I don't have any hardwood timber on my property. I buy 5 cords of 8 foot oak logs for $95 a cord and block them and split them. It's a lot of work but it only costs me $600 a year to heat. I turned 70 this spring.
There is a propane furnace but I only use it for backup. I bought a 250 gallon propane tank. You can only fill them to 80% so it holds 200 gallons. A full tank lasts me 2 years. I run a cook stove with pilot lights and can fill BBQ size tanks for the BBQ, ice fishing house, camper, and on demand water heater at my other off grid property.
If the electricity goes out I have heat, a cook stove, lights with a Coleman lantern, and the generator can be run intermittently to heat the well house and pump water.
Yes, we use to heat with wood. Started out with just an open brick fireplace and that wasn't efficient at all, most of the heat went up the chimmy and it burned a lot of wood the the 2nd year I bought a cast-iron insert for $300.00 (used) & then 3 pieces of wood would last 3-6 hours & my brother's were loggers so wood was free, just had to work for it. But I would cut wood every other Saturday all spring & summer and that would last all winter. We only used our heating system when we were out of town. Other than that we heated 99% of the time with wood & nothing was better.
Your 500 gallon tank actually only holds 400 gallons of liquid propane. 20 % of the tank can not be filled for safety reasons. The 20 % has to remain empty of the liquid to allow for expansion.
I have 2 wood stoves in a 5 bedroom ranch. Have a oil boiler back up. Only used a 235 tank every 3-4 yesrs. Keeps house 75 to 80 separate through april. 20 face cord i do myself. Love it was born doing it
Butane works out 10 times cheaper for me.
The wood that I cut, I sell and it pays for the butane, food, car insurance and chainsaws etc 😁
We live in the UP of MI. If its below 32 we burn 2 cords a month. I cut our wood, each cord cost me maybe 10 dollars because I cut the wood where I hunt. So, Im already in the woods hunting the wood is just a bonus.
The wood v. alternatives (gas, oil, etc.) doesn't consider the cost of your time if you are processing the wood. I love wood aesthetically but a load of hardwood logs is many hours of work away from being usable in the fireplace. Assuming your time is not super valuable (like some sort of job or side hustle), wood makes more sense and provides exercise as well, plus you can't beat the joy of a fireplace.
Not only does wood take time,but after years of cutting,hauling,splitting,stacking,etc. The physical toll is something to consider. Every joint in my body hurts. I'm sure the wood cutting didn't help matters.
@@Jason1Pa I have to agree with that. I even injured my back once while cutting g wood and suffered for 2 years until I gave in and had back surgery. You can imagine what that cost.
Also I had to replace my chain saw about every 3 years. I went through chains about 3 a year at a cost of about $50/ chain. There are other costs to consider such as wear and tear on your trailer and / or tractor for hauling the wood. I split my wood with a splitting maul, but most people use a hydraulic wood splitter. They cost quite a bit and do require fuel and maintenance as well.
Did we mention the character building value of firewood fetching duties for your kids I mean in winter without the garden to weed they need something to do.
Yup
Have a wood stove ,burning wood for about 40 years. I have a gas furnace, gas hot water , gas dryer . I burn (free) crap wood from a tree guy down the st he can’t sale. Stove don’t care hard or soft some time really bad stuff ,but it al burns warm.My gas budget is about $20 a month ,most of the time I have a credit. Cost on burning wood al depends on your cost of wood ! Stay safe, stay warm. Love wood heat !
Just be sure to get the chimney swept periodically.
@@publiusvelocitor4668 sweep the chimney first of each month same time clean my glass doors with cheap oven cleaner.stay safe stay warm.
I just got quoted $3.45 per lb of propane to heat garage. Plus 150 install, 5 per foot to trench , and 100 year lease for a pig tank.
Since the wood on the property is a resource, to find the comparible cost for propane, you must subtract the cost of the firewood that won't be burned, but can be sold for its alternative use as income. Also, don't forget your labor can be used for other, possibly higher value than cutting firewood.
Wood fires are so nice, they have an ascetic value.
Not true...side by side wood is 6 times less btu then propane..the reason u burned so much propane is propane heaters are really different. If u have blue flame on propane it could be lite right away and heat wood takes forever to start. I i love wood way better then any gas. But unfortunately gas is way more efficient
100grams of butane gives 1kw of heat. So a pound of butane gives about 5kw of heat.
Where I live ( Spain) you get a 14kg butane cylinder for 12'50€ roughly 10$ USD
A cord of wood costs 100€/ 90$ USD if you have it delivered and you don't get ripped off by the wood delivery company.
Butane is what I use most of the time unless it's really really cold.
I sell and deliver firewood that I cut and process myself from my land.
I have an open fireplace which can take 50kgs/100lb of wood in one go.
My gas heater has wheels on it which means that I can move it around the house and I can put it closer to my chair or even put it in the bathroom for showering.
My house is 1000m2/ 3300 ft2.
So 12'50€ of butane can last me at least 10 days whilst a cord of wood will last the same, but is worth 100€ in my pocket if I sell it so in my case it costs me roughly 10 times more to use wood than butane.
Plus all the work of cleaning, lighting and carrying all that wood into the house.
Some of my customers whom have a wood stove can get by a month on a cord of wood (100€)
So the moral to this story is that an open fireplace costs 10 X more than butane and a proper cast iron wood stove is much more economical to run than an open fireplace 😁😁😁 but butane is still cheaper, cleaner and easier to light up.
Thanks for your video
I'm gone too much of the day to heat with wood a lot. But I got a pellet stove and 1 bag will last me around 18-20 hours. Perfect for when I'm not around to fill the wood stove. And generator back up when the power goes out, automatically.
Yikes one bag. How much us each bag?
@@valeriehofmann2615 i pay 220 a ton, 50 bags, 40 pounds each. And if its not that cold i get the temp up to 70 and shut it off for 3-5 hours, so in anything but real cold weather 1 bag will easily last a day or more.
Maybe propane as a backup
Don’t get me wrong I love wood heat but it’s a lot of work and the only reason I burn it is because I have a lot of woods
But my neighbor has a 500 pound propane tank and his house is 3000 ft.²
And he goes through one tank of propane a year yes his house as well insulated
I think having your home well insulated with some good windows and some carpet. Whatever your source of heat will go a long way.
Id take one tank a year. That's cheap. We go through 2 for 3000 sq ft and that's a 6 month season
You are misscalculating the cost. You are buying the propane after 40 % tax. 23 % alimony etc. on your money. I charge to cut down a tree. Charge to haul it away. To my house. Free wood. Free heat. Good exercise. I keep 100% of my pile of wood. Tree trimmers leave wood stacked along roads when they do power lines.
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is the cost of running a pellet stove also counting the cost of electricity to run it
With the average price of a kilowatt at $0.08, the average electrical cost to run a stove would be . 303kw x . 08 = 2.42 cents per hour. If a stove ran for 24 hours in a day in the dead of winter it would use approximately 58 cents per day (2.42 cents x 24 hours =58.176 cents) or about $17 for that month.
Pellets are a lot cheaper than propane.
@@hubster4477 They are but if the the power goes out and you don’t have a backup Jenny. The wood stove would come in handy,
@@joseochoa7043 that's true, but I have a jenny. I would love a wood stove but I refuse to put a hole in my new steel roof!😂
I use wood only and find my wood all for free. You can't beat that just a little bite work and no bill not more than 200 to heat the house with wood. And has for spliter and gas in truck and saws not bad
I don’t know where you’re buying your saw at I don’t know where you’re buying your log splitter at and it’s only cost you $200 a year What did your stove and Shimley cost you
Spent over 1000 dollars for 250gal of fuel oil.that only lasted 3 months.bought a new wood an coal stove the very next year never looked back.that was 15 years ago.
We have both because the wood stove can't run my generator.
I don't, of course, know how big your house is. But, if you went through 500 gallons of propane in 90 days you must have a big house, or a inefficient one. I live in southern MN and don't go through that much. Of course if you made the house more efficient that would also help if you were burning wood too because you would have to use less of it . The first step with "any" type of heat is to work on the house first.
We did back in the day. Though is a 3000 sq ft old farm house. 2, 800 gallon fills ups per season
*#1 Downfall = Smoke Allergy !!!*
My experience has been wood can almost do it all, but it's good insurance to have a furnace as a backup...no one wants frozen pipes!
I use a woodstove and I end up paying about $100/heating season for oil. I buy a cord of wood every 2 years and make up the difference with wood I scrounge on my property or scrap wood like wood pallets. So, say $200 cash each heating season. My neighbors often pay $400 a MONTH for oil.
The next Home I buy will have a fireplace. A high efficiency wood burning insert will go in there. No more using heating oil.
Propane doubles sometimes triples in price when there is a democrat in the White House.
Propane here is 3.10 gallon so wood is way cheaper
So I heat my house for firewood so let’s break this down my Saw cost me $800 my log splitter cost me $1700 my tractor cost me $20,000 a wagon is around $500 my wood stove from tractor supply $1400 and then you need to buy your chimney for your woodstove that’s probably gonna be another $500
I cut 12 core of firewood every year it usually takes me about one month to do that cause I do it by myself off of my own land so the cost of me doing that per hour is probably $1000 in labor and that’s me doing it by myself my house is 2500 ft.² and and really well insulated and I live in Pennsylvania and it gets really cold here in the Winter in the country But I’m thinking I’m switching over to propane because to me it’s cheaper in the long run
a propane heater doesn't have that wood smoke smell.
Keep the wood stove as a back up. Never get rid of a source of heat, food, water, propane, etc. Trump, like him or hate him, he always said to have a back up plan. Keep a back up plan. Back up everything. I have two 500 gallon propane tanks for furnace and Generac. I have a wood burning insert, 16KW Generac.
Propane is cheaper for me too. In Ohio propane is reasonable. My supplier let’s me pre-buy for the season.
Wood, coal, oil, I’ve tried them all. Even had solar panels. Lots of grief to keep warm.
@@davehaggerty3405 propane will not be cheaper once Obiden is done with the energy sector. Good to have a back up. Fires are nice. If all you have is propane and something happens where you cannot get propane or the cost. You will be glad that you have wood as a back up.
So how long will your chain saw last? Splitter? Wood stove? Wagon? Tractor? You seem to think all of those assets will be used up in one winter season. It's called an investment.
500 gallons of Propane typically cost us 350 a fill. This winter was colder, we ordered propane sooner than usual. The price was INSANE! Cost us 759.00 to fill! This will be our last winter using propane as heat. Going to a wood burner without a doubt! More work, little dirtier much cheaper and far more reliable!
Why is propane so expensive?
WAIT !!! That stove does not belong in an alcove like your fireplace. This is no where efficient.
Sure it is. The chimney is sealed and there are small fans used when desired. Much more efficient than most any other method. Thanks for watching.
video is good...ADS SUCK !!!
coal is still cheaper per million btu
We have a video on that as well.
Free vs $300+ per month. Easy choice.
I can cut wood and burn it for heat-I can't make my own propane...