The culture of release then patch spoils the early players experiences as they get treated as free testers of the game. This method has sadly become standard for games and lazy devs who wait to be told by their paying customers the issues that they need to patch.
I totally agree, they released it knowing there are bugs and a fix in 7 days. Then wait 7 days or more before releasing, we want a good game from the start.
I also think that everyone had this idea in their head that it was Blade & Sorcery with giants. They are frustrated that the combat is actually challenging and that you can't one-shot every enemy. I absolutely loved Behemoth. once you get the hange of the combat, I actually started enjoying it almost as much as I did fighting the behemoths. The story is pretty awesome, too.
Most people are out of shape, and get tired extremely fast. If you know how to move, this game is a beast. Fun as hell. People gripe about things being "perfect". The review I saw, the guy playing was vastly overweight, seemed like he had never held a sword (even a fake one), and 6 mins in, he was sweating and saying the game sucked lol! No dude, YOU DO AT GAMES LIKE THIS lol! It's not the games fault you get tired and want to one shot bad guys. This ain't that. 😅
Combat is weird and 50/50 on parrying barely works how it should. Batman voice acting spoiled me and its childish and bad in comparison. Sometimes i cant tell if my character is talking or if its the person ahead of me. We need a real AAA game again like batman
I don’t get it, Behemoth is bad ass. I have only played it on PCVR. Runs on ultra, no long load times, good combat with nice parry mechanics, I am not having the problems everyone else has, even the swinging is good now that I figured out its trick. Maybe if I played it on the quest I would have seen the problems, but because I play PCVR I don’t see half of the issues people are complaining about and the ones that I do see don’t bother me that much. I don’t understand people complaining about the combat where the combat is exactly the same as Blade and sorcery, get your parry game up folks.
I personally love the game but some people find the combat too gamified as the only way to stab someone in the face, decapitate, dismember, or get your weapon stuck in their head you need to first drain their health by attacking normally but in blade and sorcery it’s more realistic and you can do those whenever by just doing it without having to drain health first.
Loving it, but it's so buggy. I had 3 enemies fall through the floor last night. First behemoth, it took me 20 mins for the boss to line up, so that he could be pulled onto the broken mast. He stood over it and it just wouldn't work.
Personally I don't think the game is horrible by any means, but it definitely isn't worth 40 bucks. it took me about 5 hours to complete the game even when getting collectibles and going down other paths. That is absurdly low, especially with how limited the replayability is. The arena mode is insanely bland with only one map, they could of added more maps or at least added a sandbox mode where I can have the strength mode activated all the time. The strength mode is the only time you can ever pull off cool combos and even then this game is NOT fully physics based like B&S. Also the parry system is factually broken. I recorded myself in game playing and in 4k high definition I slowed down the footage and watched as the enemies blade phased completely through my sword. Imo game is lacking in so many areas and the combat is nowhere near blade and sorcery whatsoever. Not worth 40 bucks whatsoever.
@@zbigniew2628 The game is good but its not polished. And whats really lacking is the way on how the physics work, as the hands are slow and to parry is hard. The very time you play parrying is way to hard. But in blade and sorcery it isnt why? Cause YOUR hands move at the correct sped
The only game that was considered a home run was Batman Arkham shadow. Yes it had some people that didn’t like it but that’s every game. The response from the community and even flatscreen community was extremely positive for the most part.
While I agree Batman Arkham shadow is good, “the flat screen community was extremely positive” is just a flat out lie and I have no clue how you even came to that conclusion. The announcement of the game itself was met with the most negative reception I’ve ever seen for a vr game and they were all from flat screen players complaining. There are popular DC TH-camrs like clownpuncher who’ve played it too and every video has barely a couple thousand views so obviously this isn’t catching anyone’s eye
@@dray1195 Many people bought a quest just for Batman and it is regarded as an excellent game. The negatives are from people who don't have a vr headset that are just frustrated they can't play it.
I hope this video is well received. Mine got torn apart, but I'd brought with it a lot of my own biases and game preferences. A lot of stuff was broken during my playthrough.
Well hopefully not as this was words from the community that was mentioned time and time again not my own thoughts, sharing curiosity. Sorry to hear yours was wrecked man, my play through were fine bar a couple tidbits
yeah saw ur video, but i didnt leave any comments as i didnt wanna seem like apart of the mob of people glazing the game and harassing you about ur own justified opinion, i myself had alot of frustrating issues, such as whenever i took my headset off to wipe off the sweat, it always got rendered in a weird way whenever i put my headset back on, thus making it unplayable, but other than that and some npc stuff, i quite liked the game, but ur opinion is also very correct in a different point of view. i dont agree with it in the way i envision vr games, but i still respect ur constructive criticism of the game, great video dude.
@Zeracey thanks for saying so. Like all my videos I'm sure I'll look back on it with a wince. I'd probably benefit from muting some of my more polarizing opinions.
I saw your video as well. Those toxic replies might come from people who felt offended because you dared to criticize this game. I personally haven’t bought it, and since I’m currently playing Vertigo 2, I won’t do so until I’ve finished that. I already have too many games on my PC that I haven’t managed to complete, even with cheats.
Asgards Wrath 2 and Batman VR raised the bar on quality and what is expected. Have they not learned anything after walking dead game? This wa supposed to be a massive game to push VR forward and they missed it
I understand that Behemoth is a highly anticipated title and that a lot of people have been looking forward to it and excited to play it. The problem I have is that a bunch of trusted content creators get early access to games, make launch day videos bigging them up out of proportion when they clearly have issues, then make follow up videos with graphics comparisons and then make follow up videos discussing the issues. There are so many new games that deserve more shine, like Shattered or the House of Da Vinci. Sorry. I have only been in this space since 2019, but I am already getting a bit long in the tooth.
Hahaha talking about me bro? in fairness I played in PC I didn’t have these issues which is why I went down this route for content to find out what is it people don’t like. The community disparity on such a big release once again peaked my interest. House of DA Vinci is a marvel, I usually cover this stuff in my weekend news videos about new games etc
@SteveKnows nah mate. Not you specifically. But I have noticed a pattern with certain games and creators. I do get that there is continually a new audience to initiate, and that part of your service is to provide positive info. There are a lot of reviews that say it is very good, but with issues. I follow you because you strive to be positive, which is a great trat. There is no perfect game, so I would rather be told how it is. I am probably in the minority. Sorry. I am getting a bit jaded. The last thing I fell for was Last Stand. It is just the bare bones of a game, with recycled assets and only fun if you have people to play with. Returned it after 20 mins.
@@BlackMarketHoneyI agree completely with what you're saying but I'm noticing that VR is getting more channels in the algorithm, and some I've stumbled on are a breath of fresh air, IMO. This channel too even, just found it today from this video. For me personally, I feel like smaller VR games get roasted unfairly and the bigger games get all kinds of leeway and grace. Either give all games that grace or roast everything. I play enough VR to know if a game is truly busted or not but many people rely conpletely on reviews and are scared away from some absolute gems.
I totally agree. VR needs critique, just as any other medium, in order to progress. And there are certainly those who give nearly ANY VR game with hype around it a pass just because it's in the VR medium. I really appreciate those who will not just accept anything and everything. As long as these issues are within the capability of the devs to fix, I see no reason why we can't be brutally honest regarding the shortcomings. A lot of this hype is from the studio themselves, as well. Skydance literally put their studio name in the title as if to say, "this is a Skydance quality game!" So, I feel like all criticism is warranted. Big promises need big delivery. Or choose to under-promise and over-deliver. I commented on/encountered a lot of these issues in my first playthrough video as well, the parrying, jank/floaty/magnetic combat, etc. so it's a bit vindicating to see these are pretty universal issues. Hopefully that will light a fire under Skydance's butt in addressing them. I hope that they are something that a few patches will be able to fix. And I agree on the DLC. When I found out there were only 3 Behemoths, I was pretty underwhelmed, even with the mini-bosses in-between. Doesn't make much sense narratively either. Behemoths seem to be the source of the black rot, and yet there are only 3? Meh... I appreciate the objective criticism, Steve! We need more content creators who aren't just hype machines. I want to see more VR titles just as much as the next VR nerd, but not at the cost of quality. If mediocre and jank become the standard, it will just take that much longer to get to that period of true, AAA games for the medium. Issues like this would have been unacceptable in GTA 5 and God of War. I want to see us get to that standard in VR. I dunno if you're down, but if you ever want to collab on a MP game, hit me up sometime! Still a fledgling creator (especially in regards to subs) but I need a good circle of objective peeps to play with and I'd love to start getting some MP/social games on my channel. I'm on X at @mattvsmetaverse and Steam at steamcommunity.com/id/mattvsmetaverse/ Feel free to add me! 🤘 And the same to anyone reading this comment, if you're in the VR space. Really need to get my networking up. 😆
finished the game, the combat sucks some of the worst combat i have played in vr, the stamnia runs out after 1 swing, blocking and parrying doesnt register. if these issues dont get fixed it might be the biggest let down since skydances last game walking dead saints and sinners 2
It’s not really fair to compare graphics to Batman. Batman all takes place in small inclosed areas with only a few objects around. This allows them to use power on the visuals much more since it is rendering very little. Behemoth looks great on standalone considering you are out in huge open spaces rendering a massive world.
I love the game so far. Combat was harder then I expected but with each death I learned a little more and kept trying to adapt to enemies and their patterns.
The problem is that people think all games are meant to hold your hand and walk you through it like a toddler. Once they get a little challenge and it requires some actuall effort and you cant just spawn in weapons and do whatever you like or you have aim assist etc then people get frustrated and upset. They don't like the idea of actually doing things themselves and its absolute chump behavior. Its pure skill issue, and modern games these days are the problem for people acting this way. Games are meant to be challenging but not so much that they are not fun, obviously .Games like this have the minimum amount of challenge and require a small bit of effort but just that will make people not like it. Its so stupid but this is the mindset they have.
Nah, even the devs have said that they need to address issues with combat. The game has good things but there are some serious flaws that need tweaking. Legendary Tales plays Infinitely better than Behemoth.
@@gbreezey3412 Yes, very true. I think the only way to satisfy to those players is to make separate mode where everything will be guided for them, like slow motion with arrows where to hit and when. I really like combat mechanics in Behemoth, it works as charm after just a little practice and there’s arena mode for training.
Crazy how no one had these issues with Battle talent, blade and sorcery, hellsplit arena, legendary tales, or swordsman. If everyone keeps having the EXACT same issue maybe it’s a problem on the dev’s side
@@shiloh02 holy shit battle talent is the jankiest game I’ve ever played and people act like it’s blade and sorcery’s rival, also your proving the dude your replying to right unintentionally because every game you listed is literally a sandbox with their own various levels of jank. 😂
@ I’m talking about their gameplay, not weather or not they’re sandboxes. Notice how everyone has the exact same issue with behemoth but no one complains about the others having gameplay issues
Well my main reason for not getting the game from STEAM onto my PC is I do not have the room right now for more games. I prefer PCVR games and use my Quest 3 via Link cable. I don't hate the game, but I am also not sure I like sword fighting games, prefer shooter games. When the game does go on sale a year from now at a good low cost, I may try it. Till then, I have plenty of good games to keep me entertained. I also mainly do SIM racing games and have many of them. And NO, I do not want to port any games to my Quest 3, period.
The inventory management did it mainly for me, just didn't feel intuitive compared to other games. It was just pushed out the gate too early, it could have been a great game. Doesn't meet the standards that other VR games achieve.
Meta needs to push for more AAA games. If the store is going to be filled with mobile games, the VR market will not get anywhere. Meta should take gaming very seriously. What would be good is if Meta started doing a Qeust Gaming Direct like the Nintendo direct.
I’m really enjoying the game on both Quest 3 and PCVR! I think people just aren’t in the habit of needing to learn combat in vr games. They want easy mode B&S style combat where anything goes and enemies drop easily. Or zombies that can be casually spiked in the head. It feels bad when you stab someone in a the face but it doesn’t stab into their face 😅. Batman solved this by making any hit from the player enter you into their scripted sequences. So none of your hits were ever rejected really. I do think the blocking/parrying positions and timing windows could be expanded but if you take the time to practice them they’re not actually that hard to hit.
I haven't even played the game and i've seen different videos of peoples parrys and blocks not working at times. The game looks great but people need to stop dismissing any issue people have as ''it's a skill issue or people are just too negative these days''. We will never get jank free vr games with that overly positive attitude
I haven't gotten any blocks that broke or just didn't work as intended, the parries are quite literally a skill issue. I got used to it and now I'm parrying most blocks, only fucking them up when I miss
It is a skill issue but I’m starting to wonder if it’s a mental issue for you guys too, you are literally asking for a game to be completely glitchless which is impossible at this day and age even through flat screen gaming. We’re going to get the opposite of what you hope for and get less vr games overall if the whole community is going to be this dismissive when games try pushing the bar
@@dray1195 All we'll get from people like you are 7 and 8's out of 10 because you'll just make excuses for every flaw in a game. That's going to take vr no where. If it's a skill issue then why have they acknowledged it and are improving it?
9:19 interestingly enough. I fully expected to have to wait a long while upon first booting up the game on quest 3 due to reports of this issue but I was in and playing within 30 seconds 🤷♂️
Also: I have been playing VR since the htc vive and this is one of the very few games I played in the last few years that caused motion sickness... I don’t know why... I played this game less than an hour total probably, but I am not excited to continue playing to be honest... batman was just so much fun right from the beginning... especially the combat... the combat in behemoth felt unsatisfying to me.
Problem with the graphics is - as a youtuber pointed out in his video - there's absolutely no difference between Q2 and Q3 graphics meaning - there's no Q3 version, it's a Q2 game. That is utterly unacceptable. I can live with a Q2 version, so others can play, but absolutely not at the cost of a properly optimized Q3 version.
On Quest 3 the controls were so janky for me that I couldn’t even do the move they were trying to have me throw the guy into the spikes. At that point it was so frustrating that I requested a refund.
I think people are simply holding VR titles to higher standards now that the medium is maturing a bit and gaining more mainstream popularity, especially if it's big name or AAA titles. Stuff that would have gotten a pass before is getting a bit more scrutiny and criticism now. And I think that's fair, as we want to make sure we're getting the best quality we can in VR when possible. I haven't played Behemoth personally yet, so I can't say what the specifics issues are or are not, but I can say that something about it just isn't fully resonating with me in the gameplay footage, and maybe it's precisely because it has that Blade and Sworcery vibe to it, and I actually hate how clumsy and clunky all the interaction and "physics" style combat is in that game. And regarding Metro on my Quest 3, it's generally great imo, but it does seem to run like it has a blur filter over it a lot of the time, and not because I'm low energy or something like that, which is something I'd love to see improved. And I would like them to add some kind of shadows below the enemies ideally too. Would totally recommend it though, even on Quest. Similarly, Batman is pretty solid, but it also seems to run a bit blurry and low res for me. I think it could be sharpened up. It's also very by the numbers, with literally nothing to do outside of moving from point A to point B to progress the story, so you don't really get that sense of just curiosity and exploration in the environment that I think makes the best kind of immersion and sense of presence in VR. Not actually entirely sure I'd recommend this one, unless people know it's just a very corridor-room-corridor experience that's just taking you through a pretty linear Batman narrative with little else to do beyond that.
I'll wait from the pcvr version on cd-keys for a few quid personally. I've not forgotten how they screwed ppl with Retribution. Still bad on Quest and pcvr to this day
You might want to look into the Quest Games Optimizer so you can run these games at higher resolutions and avoid the blur issue you keep mentioning. Even these newer games can benefit greatly from it. I ran Batman at 150% resolution and it looks vastly superior
@@Whale-rm3fn I had a look, but the program looks a bit convoluted, so it put me off getting it. Still on the fence. If it were just a simple to that let me set some of the fidelity stuff, that would be ideal.
With the history of the studio I guess we had trust but then we need a reality check sometimes, that VR development is not easy! If a studio like skydance had issues it must have been a “behemoth”
@@SteveKnowsTrust? How short is your memory Steve? Retribution was a broken mess, on both Quest and pcvr. Pc version is still a real mess. They never really fixed it, just left it for dead. Alot of ppl git burnt, and a lot including myself neither forget nor forgive.
My biggest problem is that the parries LITERALLY don't register, it's like it just doesnt matter if you are blocking cause it literally just doesnt let you.
If they made it like swordsman it would make more sense health bar doesn't matter if I put my sword in weak parts of Armour in vital areas u die which makes sense I shouldn't have to beat u a bunch of time before I can cut an arm
The combat straight up doesn't work at times. Their weapons go straight through my sword. Also the weapons as so wobbly it's ridiculous. It's like the character can't lock his wrist and just swings his arm. Try this, just rotate your wrist one full 180 degrees fast, the wrist in-game slowly follows even if you have no weapon in hand.. it's like it's trying to simulate weight when there's no weight it's stupid, everything feels floaty because of this. The grappling hook is weird, pretty cool but weird, for some reason sometimes the dot to aim disappears, sometimes when you pull at max your left wrist starts to rotate wildly and you can't aim the hookshot anymore. When using 2 hands the weapons don't track your hands properly, I'll do a swing from up left to down right and it will swing almost straight up to down. The combat is actually super easy aside from the blocking not working, just wait for super strength and one shot anything. The mini boss fights are super annoying because you can't skip the cutscenes. I really want to like this game but each time I play for like 30mins to an hour and switch to something else because I get frustrated. Last night I had the most fun I had with it fighting the second behemoth, it was pretty cool although very easy. I tried practicing my blocks in the arena but still, about 1 time out of 5 it straight up doesn't work. I thought I might have ran out of stamina and that's why it goes through but no it's random or I don't have the exact angle i'm supposed to have I don't know.. If it actually works and i'm just bad I think there should be some kind of practice mode where they show you exactly where your weapon should be to block and attack. Also there's this weird thing where sometimes the enemies voices sound like they come from me ? Like I'll hear an enemy that is far away as if it was in my head. And there's very obvious popping, which isn't too bad but sometimes part of the map that isn't loaded in is visible so you straight up see through walls and then it pops in.
It's really worth remembering that "most played" just like "most watched" means nothing. Sport events are the most watched video content, alongside soap operas and reality TV. Things that speak to most people are usually garbage, and gaming is no different. That's why competition based gaming (particularly if it's kid friendly) is so popular, but anyone who's really into good, quality, gaming sees them as dogshit.
If running the game on Meta link to fix the black screen issue make sure that your Open XR Runtime is set to Meta Quest Link that solved it instantly for me
Im not sure if its really hate. Although i havent tried it, from what ive seen, its just not as good as it was hyped to be. The enemy ai looks pretty bad and scripted... so combat doesnt seem meaningful. Felt the same way about human ai in walking dead, so i kind of expected this. Also, its only 6-8 hours or so with only 4 behemoths... in a game called behemoth. And the first one looks extremely boring and scripted (im sure the others are better but still). just one of those things that it doesnt live up to the high expectations that were implied. At least thats my view.
I think the game is divisive for a few reasons. The melee combat. Everyone sees Blade & Sorcery as the standard, so it’s immediately disappointing when it’s not the same. The other reason is the value proposition. People don’t want to pay $40 for a 6 hour campaign with only 3 behemoths. This particularly true if you don’t enjoy melee combat in VR.
I don't think it's hate, it's a reaction to hype. I've looked at loads of stuff about this game prior to launch and I think like most of us, we were waiting for the VR game of the year. It's good but it's most definitely not the best by some margin. So I think it's more about the perceived expectation, people were expecting game changing brilliance and the only got a good game.
AI in all the saints and sinners (human in particular) was a joke sadly. If you want to be pedantic, it's called Behemoth, ie singular. Otherwise it should have been called Behemoths lol 😂
I’m enjoying it, I just hate how floppy the physics are with the weapons. Sometimes the blocking just does NOT work. Other than that, I am enjoying it so far
Standalone headsets offer so little power that this type of mainstream approach to games simply does not work.. they will look underwhelming and like 10-20 year old game. To deal with the lack of resources, you would need a totally different approach. Levering stylizing and highly optimized custom engines.
I haven't played it yet but personally I just do not like VR melee combat, mostly because blocking and/or parrying never feels right and honestly most games do a terrible job of explaining how it even works. I think they need to move away from trying to make it "realistic" and just try to make it fun, there was nothing realistic about the combat in Batman and I loved it. I've been saying this for awhile but I think there's too much emphasis put on "immersion" and "realism" in VR, I'm playing it to have fun not to feel like I'm literally in a sword fight. I get that some people want realism and there's certainly room for both but I think most people just want to have fun.
I don't get it.... are there not people that specifically play the game to test for these bugs and rough areas of the game?? How do they hype it up so well just for it to fall flat in a big way for a lot of people?? 😢
Weren’t the preorder weapons the same as the weapons you need to beat the game anyways? And what about the bronze grappling hook we were supposed to get aswell for preordering
About VR. I love it too, but to kind-of-quote Ivan Drago: "If it dies, it dies". Why do we still have to live with these Wii-style games? Alyx showed us how it was done. Asgard's Wrath 2 was also fun. Batman seems to be somewhat good, but in no way the great thing that everyone seems to think it is. Metro had me bored to hell, within the first hour (I might give it another try). The platform will not grow, until we get something exciting.
Wow this seems to be so polarising! I don’t get it. Personally I love this game, I’m only about half way through & am taking my time. I think the story in particular is really good. Going into that cavern full of mysterious brown, slimy stalagmites & the mini-boss fight which followed were a highlight so far. I playing natively on Quest, but how good that it supports cross-buy! So I can play on PC, too. Anyone saying that the graphics on native Quest are in any way “bad” is either fooling themselves or just plain wrong. Compare it to most other Quest games - so many have to go for a cartoonish style or some other stylisation to supposedly compensate for the lack of hardware shaders and / or processing power, but then this, Metro & Batman come out & really prove there’s little need for such. I think maybe the combat either clicks for you or not. I’m glad to say, for me it makes sense…. I’m still crap at it but don’t mind multiple retries (even with the loading & reloading) & even having to put the difficulty down if need be. I’m in it for the story, experience & behemoth battles in particular, and overall, I am blown away, so happy to be playing it & grateful to Skydance for having made it.
I just wish when you were holding the bow, that if you reached over your shoulder you would grab an arrow so you could nock it. I’m not a fan of the” just pull back on the string and an arrow appears” system.
for me it’s the parrying, but after some more time playing it i figured it out, i was swinging to fast and my headset was too slow to register it. i just had to swing like 1/3 slower, and now i can dismantle any enemy
Can I pose a question tho? Usually the game looked great on psvr2. But in the woods, near the fight with Dredstagg, I clearly noticed the boundaries as a "woods.png". How come we can have stuff like God of War, Elden Ring, RDR2 and so on, loads of visually stunning games on pc and consoles but vr games still can't be a decent open world with at least good graphics and textures? Is the gameplay features for vr that much demanding that there is no room, no capacity for graphics or great levels/level design? And there's my question: "Why do vr games feel so limited, even tho we have so good technology by now, and while normal games are incredibly to look at or massive?" Only vr game I know of, that looks awesome and is massive in size No Man's Sky.
Ok, you’re standing 10 feet in front of the enemy and they can see your bow. Of course they should move out the way. You have to have more distance and/or cover to hide behind to really catch enemies with a bow and arrow.
I wonder if VR needs the developers to sell parts of their game that works well, for example the combat from Blade and Sorcery. It feels like VR is still in the experimenting with what works phase and I'm sure they are probably all solving the same technical issues as each other...
The trouble with melee games is everyone has their own idea on how it should be. Full physics and freedom but with the jank and cheese fighting that accompanies it or challenging with some gameplay restrictions like stamina.
They made a good looking game instead of a good game. You're on rails, every climbable surface is highlighted, hand holding for every behemoth battle, behemoths wait until you do the next thing. The first one on its knees, the falling bat will fall forever until you stab it in the chest. Good looking? Yes. Good game? Only for modern gamers that need hand holding, rails, enemies waiting for you to act.
It's a sport on the internet and in general to either love or hate things. So, if a game has some amazing scale-driven experiences and great acting, and an actual story, but has some (partially game breaking) bugs and annoyances, and too few of these encounters, people are either gonna say it's the best game ever (which really doesn't help if players go in with this attitude), or will pick apart every minor detail and issue that other games might also have. It can't just be in a grey zone, it has to be either amazing or appalling. That's where many of those divided opinions come from. I personally had a great time playing Behemoth. Partly because the PCVR build lacks some of the annoyances, but mostly because I jumped in expecting some bugs.
My first VR game was Asgards Wrath 2 on the quest 3. It's amazing! It contains more 'Behemoths', better combat system and AI, really immersive, great story, music and looks really good. It is much better in every respect to Behemoth. First Behemoth....just doesn't give the same sense of scale that I got in Asgards Wrath 2, probably because the game is not optimised for quest 3 (yet)
I came to play this after I'd just completed Batman. The anticipation for this was huge being a fan of Saints and Sinners. I think because I'd just finished such a highly polished game which threw you into the whole character and narrative so well made Behemoth's shortfalls even more obvious to me. I played it right up the first Behemoth, in that time I was a little underwhelmed, graphics were quite good, I noticed quite a bit of pop in and also a few missing textures, steps were just a black space in places. I also agree with the comment about sluggish fighting and it being difficult to parry. I guess because I'd just come from a title that pretty much nailed the brief on how to make an engaging game for VR, left this title feeling underwhelming, especially after all the hype. I ultimately refunded it but I'm willing to revisit if some love and attention is applied in future patches. I hope they do because I so wanted to love this game.
I'm playing on psvr2. So load times and graphics weren't an issue. Two things on combat, cause I had some of these complaints in the beginning. 1. Blocking - the combat is very weighted and slower paced than I was used to. When I slowed my movements down and starting holding my weapon up instead of.moving to block I've hit almost every block since. Also if you're low on stamina you can't block the heavier weapons. 2. The archers. You can grab their helmets with thr grapple and pull them off their ledges, or use strength to steal their helmets if they have a railing in the way. You don't have to drop your weapon or shield to do this. 3. Secondary slots. I use these for shields and throwing knives.
Why even include reverse grip with the clunk and jumpiness of combat. The way the enemies chamber their attacks and leap like Bruce Lee forward at you is ridiculous.
Waiting for the patch before I start - which is great, because it gave me time to finish Into Black. Finally going through Red Matter now, so not all is lost!
Thanks for sharing, Steve. I haven’t bought the game (yet), but if I do, I’d only want the PC version. There are already cheats available for this game, which help eliminate waiting times caused by untimely deaths.
I have a big question. I HATE whenever you walk, there is a ring around your screen. I may just be stupid, but can you disable it if you know what I'm talking about?
It’s a good game it’s the hype around the game that messed it up for people expectations were too high vs everything else even with its issues it’s still a top 15-20 game on the Quest. Its personally in my bottom top 10
@@SteveKnows I myself was a bit underwhelmed when I found out to descend on a rope it was a button press but then I just started taking the fame for what it was and enjoyed it more
I also hate battles. I so loved the way Citadel Undead have the battles. Behemoth should have same mechanics. As that game was and still is amazing for battle in medieval theme games.
Thanks for the rundown and your opinion, I bought the game with my metaquest plus 30% off so I think I will wait until the patch is done and you let me know it's worth looking at
Considering It's On The Quest 3 Also Using A Custom QGO Profile It's Been *A Sheer Thrill Ride* Thus Far *No Spoilers. Maybe It's A Skill Issue Or Perhaps The Pricing.. But If The Quest Version Was This Good I Might Have To Check Out The PcVR Version 🔥
Loved it until it turned to absolute mash potatoes towards the end. Durring the deer boss fight, the mechanics starts to not register everything or register the wrong object. But the icing on the cake is the constant disappearing and reappearing of the enemies.
very much right. the weapons slot just didnt work good. the 2nd weapon slots just hard to use, and the on the 1st 4 weapons slots, it's very easy to mixed up in the heat of battle. There are at least 3 times that my bow that I have set on the left shoulder, got placed and swapped with my shields on the left waist. So, it cost me 30-50% of my health because of the confusion. and the combat is just not good. when aiming with bow, I always got distracted with the aiming of the grappling hook that constantly there. melee combat is just bad. Sure when the enemy attack, we know and could get ready to parry, but it always fall short. Their swings are just too short to parry, resulting in a lot of miss parry, and they moved too forward like teleport when attacking (after the readying) which is a bit weird and messed up my parry tempo too. When got parried, the animation is weird in that they would just drop like too tired and let us hack the back of the neck. I parry u, so u should got bounced back and opened on the front not getting tired and giving me ur back. Grimlord did the combat much better imo. and the crux of the game, which is fighting the behemoth, turns out we just chasing and popping the pimples, which is a downer too. not to say this is a bad game, but just too much hype. It just cannot be placed with batman and metro. It's average at best.
I bought it because the idea of it was just too fun but am waiting for the day 7 patch before playing. Have always learnt to wait with VR games because generally they launch with issues.
I recently finished the game myself on PSVR2. I love it, but yea the title-giving Behemoths definitely are too short. And usually I had sections in the game when I was annoyed at fighting humans again. Especially on my way to Dredstagg or like near the end. They should've splitter it up. Also would've made more sense would've also been more exciting. Fighting a behemoth but it shakes you off and you land somewhere else, need to get back or find it again and then you have a second fight, in a new area, with new strategy to take it down and then actual kill it. If you hunt a deer with bow and arrow and miss. It runs. Or a bear fights you and you have to retreat or whatever. Each behemoth was just one fight. see, fight, kill. As if skyscraper sized monsters where this easy and fast to take down. At least the hunt for the bat had several "stages" in the fight and thus was by far the most exciting and entertaining. But overall, Liked it.
The reviews from Bringhurst and Gamertag VR convinced me to wait on this game for a while. I have a significant VR backlog anyway, so I figured I might as well wait for the first sale for Behemoth with the problems it has. I get that the combat is tough, but it still looks too "Wii Waggle" for me. Even in the combat in this video. And only three behemoths? That means I've already seen them all. Should've had like nine of them. Six at minimum.
I can see why people would compare it to B&S with the general combat, but I admittedly was much less excited when I realised there were only 4 bosses. It made me realise I saw half the game's big content on playtests etc before the game was even released.
I really enjoyed it. Played on Q3 and my only complaint was the behemoths were a little too easy. If you died and had to start over when you fell off then it would be way harder. The human bosses were way harder to me
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Thanks for the video. Tomorrow is the day the 2nd major patch drops and I’ve been told by the development team that this patch should be a good one trying the game to a great place. So i have patiently been waiting while tackling my massive psvr2 backlog. What a great time to play vr!!
I don't understand the people that say "the combat is bad, it's like wii tennis." Ok, so you are mad at the game and devs because you chose to make the game less fun by cheesing it?! How about you do the combat the way it was designed to be done and not cheat yourself out of a fun time! Like, shocker, a game is less fun when you skip the main focus of the game by cheesing it. 🤦♂️
Almost every video of people playing the game that I've seen, the person playing isn't doing the combat right or smart, they're just going at it and attacking without taking their time and using the parry and block mechanics. Be creative people, it's fun, don't rush something meant to entertain you.
Behemoth has the potential to be one ofthe best VR games of all time, but the subpar combat is really holding it back, and that’s what 90% of the game consists of. I hope they can improve it. With the way the a.i. is so basic and melee combat so gameified, I don’t expect it will ever reach Legendary Tales quality, but if they can address the balance and clunkiness issues it could be fun. It’s ridiculous every 10 seconds you basically have an “I Win” button where you can just grab an enemy and do whatever you want. The game doesn’t benefit from Gorn combat LMAO.
it's kind of hilarious how a decent amount of people complaining about the combat are literally just bad. the vr grid put out a review saying that the combat is bad and the mechanics are weird but really in the footage you can see that they're just not good at the game
Thank you for this video. Hopefully devs will adress at least some of mentioned problems. Personally i have issue only with combat. Half of those problems would be solved by adding Sword Sifu at the arena. It's realy hard to catch this combat system if you dont know where you're doing mistakes.
The game is freaking awesome. For something very hyped I think it did a great job to live up to it. Some of the most epic moments in VR. The scale of this game is incredible. Whike not a prefect game still amazing
The stamina bar absolutely ruins this game. Once I got in and realized it had Saints and Sinners stamina bar I couldn't care less about it. Parrying is garbage the hook shot has been done in other games and way way better at that. The graphics are really good though
Some people, yes. However that’s a very shallow reading of this situation. There are some improvements that need to be made. For one, music shouldn’t be cutting out 30% of the time
I get it now. If you hate behemoth, you hate fun. This was genuinley one of the most fun vr games ive played in a minute. The bosses were insanley well made and the combat was chunky and weighty in the best ways possible. And the graphocs on quest 3 are insane genuinley how did they pull it off? I was using quest game tuner so the game ran extra well for me haha. At the end of the day its gonna happen with every big vr release reguardless. People overhype the hell out of a game then have unrealistic expectations for a videogame in general and then get dissapointed when its not half life alyx on ketamine. It happened with asgards wrath 2, metro vr and i even saw stuff about batman shockingly. Its just a loop of people overhyping a game and getting mad when it doesnt meet said expectations. Most complaints ive seen about this game can be fixed by either getting better at the game or being less nitpicky. The grapics complaint especially makes no sense. Its a visual treat on both platforms.
the first line cracked me up! if you hate behemoth you hate fun haha! I am loving the game honestly, pro tip people need to use their special ability ALL THE TIME!
For what I’m hearing if you have a good pc it runs perfectly and in my experience I have psvr2 and I’ve experienced no glitches other then my weapons going through the floor. Loading times are a solid 3 seconds graphics are literally the same as on pc if not close behind. And it feels great with the controllers so from what ims wrong psvr2 is the most well optimized
Just beat the flying behemoth and generally can’t believe how anyone could not like this game. It’s a masterpiece, at least on psvr2 anyway
The culture of release then patch spoils the early players experiences as they get treated as free testers of the game. This method has sadly become standard for games and lazy devs who wait to be told by their paying customers the issues that they need to patch.
@jioxxvr now you know how we pcvr gamers feel! :D
I totally agree, they released it knowing there are bugs and a fix in 7 days.
Then wait 7 days or more before releasing, we want a good game from the start.
I also think that everyone had this idea in their head that it was Blade & Sorcery with giants. They are frustrated that the combat is actually challenging and that you can't one-shot every enemy. I absolutely loved Behemoth. once you get the hange of the combat, I actually started enjoying it almost as much as I did fighting the behemoths. The story is pretty awesome, too.
Yh that’s why I said is it a problem with my skills or is it the game how do you tell. Some
Parts are tough though haha real tough
Yh that’s why I said is it a problem with my skills or is it the game how do you tell. Some
Parts are tough though haha real tough
Most people are out of shape, and get tired extremely fast. If you know how to move, this game is a beast. Fun as hell. People gripe about things being "perfect". The review I saw, the guy playing was vastly overweight, seemed like he had never held a sword (even a fake one), and 6 mins in, he was sweating and saying the game sucked lol! No dude, YOU DO AT GAMES LIKE THIS lol! It's not the games fault you get tired and want to one shot bad guys. This ain't that. 😅
Combat is weird and 50/50 on parrying barely works how it should. Batman voice acting spoiled me and its childish and bad in comparison. Sometimes i cant tell if my character is talking or if its the person ahead of me. We need a real AAA game again like batman
Batman, zwaas, zwessh, zwoshh, Finish
Behemoth, Zwas, Zwessh, Zwoshh, Dead
I don’t get it, Behemoth is bad ass. I have only played it on PCVR. Runs on ultra, no long load times, good combat with nice parry mechanics, I am not having the problems everyone else has, even the swinging is good now that I figured out its trick. Maybe if I played it on the quest I would have seen the problems, but because I play PCVR I don’t see half of the issues people are complaining about and the ones that I do see don’t bother me that much. I don’t understand people complaining about the combat where the combat is exactly the same as Blade and sorcery, get your parry game up folks.
The only problem i have with the game is that it lacks haptics when hitting armour or blocking
@xehyper7341you know what, I agree with this. I would like better haptics for these instances too.
I personally love the game but some people find the combat too gamified as the only way to stab someone in the face, decapitate, dismember, or get your weapon stuck in their head you need to first drain their health by attacking normally but in blade and sorcery it’s more realistic and you can do those whenever by just doing it without having to drain health first.
Agreed
Loving it, but it's so buggy. I had 3 enemies fall through the floor last night. First behemoth, it took me 20 mins for the boss to line up, so that he could be pulled onto the broken mast. He stood over it and it just wouldn't work.
Personally I don't think the game is horrible by any means, but it definitely isn't worth 40 bucks. it took me about 5 hours to complete the game even when getting collectibles and going down other paths. That is absurdly low, especially with how limited the replayability is. The arena mode is insanely bland with only one map, they could of added more maps or at least added a sandbox mode where I can have the strength mode activated all the time. The strength mode is the only time you can ever pull off cool combos and even then this game is NOT fully physics based like B&S. Also the parry system is factually broken. I recorded myself in game playing and in 4k high definition I slowed down the footage and watched as the enemies blade phased completely through my sword. Imo game is lacking in so many areas and the combat is nowhere near blade and sorcery whatsoever. Not worth 40 bucks whatsoever.
yes the parry sucks
I was hearing it took six hours, so I chose to pass on it. Sounds like it was the correct choice.
@@vicarious7858definitely wait for a big sale.
So they used big enemies as bait for marketing... Another lacking VR experience.
@@zbigniew2628 The game is good but its not polished. And whats really lacking is the way on how the physics work, as the hands are slow and to parry is hard. The very time you play parrying is way to hard. But in blade and sorcery it isnt why? Cause YOUR hands move at the correct sped
The only game that was considered a home run was Batman Arkham shadow. Yes it had some people that didn’t like it but that’s every game. The response from the community and even flatscreen community was extremely positive for the most part.
Batman is by far the best game of the year and one of the best vr games.
While I agree Batman Arkham shadow is good, “the flat screen community was extremely positive” is just a flat out lie and I have no clue how you even came to that conclusion. The announcement of the game itself was met with the most negative reception I’ve ever seen for a vr game and they were all from flat screen players complaining. There are popular DC TH-camrs like clownpuncher who’ve played it too and every video has barely a couple thousand views so obviously this isn’t catching anyone’s eye
@@dray1195
Many people bought a quest just for Batman and it is regarded as an excellent game. The negatives are from people who don't have a vr headset that are just frustrated they can't play it.
seems a bit rushed, gonna wait for the patch before I play or review this Behemoth...🤐
I don't care if some people hate it, I love it
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I hope this video is well received. Mine got torn apart, but I'd brought with it a lot of my own biases and game preferences. A lot of stuff was broken during my playthrough.
Well hopefully not as this was words from the community that was mentioned time and time again not my own thoughts, sharing curiosity.
Sorry to hear yours was wrecked man, my play through were fine bar a couple tidbits
yeah saw ur video, but i didnt leave any comments as i didnt wanna seem like apart of the mob of people glazing the game and harassing you about ur own justified opinion, i myself had alot of frustrating issues, such as whenever i took my headset off to wipe off the sweat, it always got rendered in a weird way whenever i put my headset back on, thus making it unplayable, but other than that and some npc stuff, i quite liked the game, but ur opinion is also very correct in a different point of view. i dont agree with it in the way i envision vr games, but i still respect ur constructive criticism of the game, great video dude.
@Zeracey thanks for saying so. Like all my videos I'm sure I'll look back on it with a wince. I'd probably benefit from muting some of my more polarizing opinions.
I saw your video as well. Those toxic replies might come from people who felt offended because you dared to criticize this game. I personally haven’t bought it, and since I’m currently playing Vertigo 2, I won’t do so until I’ve finished that. I already have too many games on my PC that I haven’t managed to complete, even with cheats.
@SjaakSchulteis and that extension coming next year is gonna be WILD.
Asgards Wrath 2 and Batman VR raised the bar on quality and what is expected. Have they not learned anything after walking dead game? This wa supposed to be a massive game to push VR forward and they missed it
I understand that Behemoth is a highly anticipated title and that a lot of people have been looking forward to it and excited to play it. The problem I have is that a bunch of trusted content creators get early access to games, make launch day videos bigging them up out of proportion when they clearly have issues, then make follow up videos with graphics comparisons and then make follow up videos discussing the issues.
There are so many new games that deserve more shine, like Shattered or the House of Da Vinci. Sorry. I have only been in this space since 2019, but I am already getting a bit long in the tooth.
Hahaha talking about me bro? in fairness I played in PC I didn’t have these issues which is why I went down this route for content to find out what is it people don’t like. The community disparity on such a big release once again peaked my interest.
House of DA Vinci is a marvel, I usually cover this stuff in my weekend news videos about new games etc
@SteveKnows nah mate. Not you specifically. But I have noticed a pattern with certain games and creators. I do get that there is continually a new audience to initiate, and that part of your service is to provide positive info. There are a lot of reviews that say it is very good, but with issues. I follow you because you strive to be positive, which is a great trat. There is no perfect game, so I would rather be told how it is. I am probably in the minority. Sorry. I am getting a bit jaded. The last thing I fell for was Last Stand. It is just the bare bones of a game, with recycled assets and only fun if you have people to play with. Returned it after 20 mins.
@@BlackMarketHoneyI agree completely with what you're saying but I'm noticing that VR is getting more channels in the algorithm, and some I've stumbled on are a breath of fresh air, IMO. This channel too even, just found it today from this video. For me personally, I feel like smaller VR games get roasted unfairly and the bigger games get all kinds of leeway and grace. Either give all games that grace or roast everything. I play enough VR to know if a game is truly busted or not but many people rely conpletely on reviews and are scared away from some absolute gems.
I totally agree. VR needs critique, just as any other medium, in order to progress. And there are certainly those who give nearly ANY VR game with hype around it a pass just because it's in the VR medium. I really appreciate those who will not just accept anything and everything. As long as these issues are within the capability of the devs to fix, I see no reason why we can't be brutally honest regarding the shortcomings. A lot of this hype is from the studio themselves, as well. Skydance literally put their studio name in the title as if to say, "this is a Skydance quality game!" So, I feel like all criticism is warranted. Big promises need big delivery. Or choose to under-promise and over-deliver.
I commented on/encountered a lot of these issues in my first playthrough video as well, the parrying, jank/floaty/magnetic combat, etc. so it's a bit vindicating to see these are pretty universal issues. Hopefully that will light a fire under Skydance's butt in addressing them. I hope that they are something that a few patches will be able to fix. And I agree on the DLC. When I found out there were only 3 Behemoths, I was pretty underwhelmed, even with the mini-bosses in-between. Doesn't make much sense narratively either. Behemoths seem to be the source of the black rot, and yet there are only 3? Meh...
I appreciate the objective criticism, Steve! We need more content creators who aren't just hype machines. I want to see more VR titles just as much as the next VR nerd, but not at the cost of quality. If mediocre and jank become the standard, it will just take that much longer to get to that period of true, AAA games for the medium. Issues like this would have been unacceptable in GTA 5 and God of War. I want to see us get to that standard in VR.
I dunno if you're down, but if you ever want to collab on a MP game, hit me up sometime! Still a fledgling creator (especially in regards to subs) but I need a good circle of objective peeps to play with and I'd love to start getting some MP/social games on my channel. I'm on X at @mattvsmetaverse and Steam at steamcommunity.com/id/mattvsmetaverse/ Feel free to add me! 🤘 And the same to anyone reading this comment, if you're in the VR space. Really need to get my networking up. 😆
finished the game, the combat sucks some of the worst combat i have played in vr, the stamnia runs out after 1 swing, blocking and parrying doesnt register. if these issues dont get fixed it might be the biggest let down since skydances last game walking dead saints and sinners 2
It’s not really fair to compare graphics to Batman. Batman all takes place in small inclosed areas with only a few objects around. This allows them to use power on the visuals much more since it is rendering very little.
Behemoth looks great on standalone considering you are out in huge open spaces rendering a massive world.
The Q3 is just running the Q2 version. No enhancements
I love the game so far. Combat was harder then I expected but with each death I learned a little more and kept trying to adapt to enemies and their patterns.
Have you played Saints and Sinners and if so, which do you prefer ?
The problem is that people think all games are meant to hold your hand and walk you through it like a toddler. Once they get a little challenge and it requires some actuall effort and you cant just spawn in weapons and do whatever you like or you have aim assist etc then people get frustrated and upset. They don't like the idea of actually doing things themselves and its absolute chump behavior. Its pure skill issue, and modern games these days are the problem for people acting this way. Games are meant to be challenging but not so much that they are not fun, obviously .Games like this have the minimum amount of challenge and require a small bit of effort but just that will make people not like it. Its so stupid but this is the mindset they have.
Nah, even the devs have said that they need to address issues with combat. The game has good things but there are some serious flaws that need tweaking. Legendary Tales plays Infinitely better than Behemoth.
@@gbreezey3412 Yes, very true. I think the only way to satisfy to those players is to make separate mode where everything will be guided for them, like slow motion with arrows where to hit and when. I really like combat mechanics in Behemoth, it works as charm after just a little practice and there’s arena mode for training.
Crazy how no one had these issues with Battle talent, blade and sorcery, hellsplit arena, legendary tales, or swordsman.
If everyone keeps having the EXACT same issue maybe it’s a problem on the dev’s side
@@shiloh02 holy shit battle talent is the jankiest game I’ve ever played and people act like it’s blade and sorcery’s rival, also your proving the dude your replying to right unintentionally because every game you listed is literally a sandbox with their own various levels of jank. 😂
@ I’m talking about their gameplay, not weather or not they’re sandboxes. Notice how everyone has the exact same issue with behemoth but no one complains about the others having gameplay issues
Well my main reason for not getting the game from STEAM onto my PC is I do not have the room right now for more games. I prefer PCVR games and use my Quest 3 via Link cable.
I don't hate the game, but I am also not sure I like sword fighting games, prefer shooter games. When the game does go on sale a year from now at a good low cost, I may try it. Till then, I have plenty of good games to keep me entertained. I also mainly do SIM racing games and have many of them.
And NO, I do not want to port any games to my Quest 3, period.
The inventory management did it mainly for me, just didn't feel intuitive compared to other games. It was just pushed out the gate too early, it could have been a great game. Doesn't meet the standards that other VR games achieve.
Meta needs to push for more AAA games. If the store is going to be filled with mobile games, the VR market will not get anywhere. Meta should take gaming very seriously. What would be good is if Meta started doing a Qeust Gaming Direct like the Nintendo direct.
Does the 20% off on your site apply to stuff already discounted?
I’m really enjoying the game on both Quest 3 and PCVR! I think people just aren’t in the habit of needing to learn combat in vr games. They want easy mode B&S style combat where anything goes and enemies drop easily. Or zombies that can be casually spiked in the head. It feels bad when you stab someone in a the face but it doesn’t stab into their face 😅. Batman solved this by making any hit from the player enter you into their scripted sequences. So none of your hits were ever rejected really.
I do think the blocking/parrying positions and timing windows could be expanded but if you take the time to practice them they’re not actually that hard to hit.
I haven't even played the game and i've seen different videos of peoples parrys and blocks not working at times. The game looks great but people need to stop dismissing any issue people have as ''it's a skill issue or people are just too negative these days''. We will never get jank free vr games with that overly positive attitude
I haven't gotten any blocks that broke or just didn't work as intended, the parries are quite literally a skill issue. I got used to it and now I'm parrying most blocks, only fucking them up when I miss
The combat definitely has issues that stem from game design.
It is a skill issue but I’m starting to wonder if it’s a mental issue for you guys too, you are literally asking for a game to be completely glitchless which is impossible at this day and age even through flat screen gaming. We’re going to get the opposite of what you hope for and get less vr games overall if the whole community is going to be this dismissive when games try pushing the bar
@@dray1195 All we'll get from people like you are 7 and 8's out of 10 because you'll just make excuses for every flaw in a game. That's going to take vr no where. If it's a skill issue then why have they acknowledged it and are improving it?
9:19 interestingly enough. I fully expected to have to wait a long while upon first booting up the game on quest 3 due to reports of this issue but I was in and playing within 30 seconds 🤷♂️
Also: I have been playing VR since the htc vive and this is one of the very few games I played in the last few years that caused motion sickness... I don’t know why... I played this game less than an hour total probably, but I am not excited to continue playing to be honest... batman was just so much fun right from the beginning... especially the combat... the combat in behemoth felt unsatisfying to me.
Have you played the walking dead series? If so which do you prefer? Behemoth or Saints and sinners?
Problem with the graphics is - as a youtuber pointed out in his video - there's absolutely no difference between Q2 and Q3 graphics meaning - there's no Q3 version, it's a Q2 game. That is utterly unacceptable. I can live with a Q2 version, so others can play, but absolutely not at the cost of a properly optimized Q3 version.
i think skydance released patch notes today or yesterday, we should check them out!
100%
On Quest 3 the controls were so janky for me that I couldn’t even do the move they were trying to have me throw the guy into the spikes. At that point it was so frustrating that I requested a refund.
If you have an endless black screen on Meta Link, make sure you set Meta Quest Link as the default OpenXR Runtime. (Settings / General)
I think people are simply holding VR titles to higher standards now that the medium is maturing a bit and gaining more mainstream popularity, especially if it's big name or AAA titles. Stuff that would have gotten a pass before is getting a bit more scrutiny and criticism now. And I think that's fair, as we want to make sure we're getting the best quality we can in VR when possible.
I haven't played Behemoth personally yet, so I can't say what the specifics issues are or are not, but I can say that something about it just isn't fully resonating with me in the gameplay footage, and maybe it's precisely because it has that Blade and Sworcery vibe to it, and I actually hate how clumsy and clunky all the interaction and "physics" style combat is in that game.
And regarding Metro on my Quest 3, it's generally great imo, but it does seem to run like it has a blur filter over it a lot of the time, and not because I'm low energy or something like that, which is something I'd love to see improved. And I would like them to add some kind of shadows below the enemies ideally too. Would totally recommend it though, even on Quest.
Similarly, Batman is pretty solid, but it also seems to run a bit blurry and low res for me. I think it could be sharpened up. It's also very by the numbers, with literally nothing to do outside of moving from point A to point B to progress the story, so you don't really get that sense of just curiosity and exploration in the environment that I think makes the best kind of immersion and sense of presence in VR. Not actually entirely sure I'd recommend this one, unless people know it's just a very corridor-room-corridor experience that's just taking you through a pretty linear Batman narrative with little else to do beyond that.
its very different from blade and sorcery
@@duoduos9221 I'm sure it is for the most part.
I'll wait from the pcvr version on cd-keys for a few quid personally.
I've not forgotten how they screwed ppl with Retribution.
Still bad on Quest and pcvr to this day
You might want to look into the Quest Games Optimizer so you can run these games at higher resolutions and avoid the blur issue you keep mentioning. Even these newer games can benefit greatly from it. I ran Batman at 150% resolution and it looks vastly superior
@@Whale-rm3fn I had a look, but the program looks a bit convoluted, so it put me off getting it. Still on the fence. If it were just a simple to that let me set some of the fidelity stuff, that would be ideal.
This is a good example of why I get so tired of seeing games that haven't been released being overhyped.
With the history of the studio I guess we had trust but then we need a reality check sometimes, that VR development is not easy! If a studio like skydance had issues it must have been a “behemoth”
@@SteveKnowsTrust? How short is your memory Steve?
Retribution was a broken mess, on both Quest and pcvr.
Pc version is still a real mess. They never really fixed it, just left it for dead.
Alot of ppl git burnt, and a lot including myself neither forget nor forgive.
My biggest problem is that the parries LITERALLY don't register, it's like it just doesnt matter if you are blocking cause it literally just doesnt let you.
If they made it like swordsman it would make more sense health bar doesn't matter if I put my sword in weak parts of Armour in vital areas u die which makes sense I shouldn't have to beat u a bunch of time before I can cut an arm
My only complaint so far is I wanted some magic skills and more items to collect, or even just a way to increase potions inventory
Asgards Wrath 2 definitely did combat so much better
4:11 even the gameplay footage, the enemy’s sword clips through his shield and he takes damage
The combat straight up doesn't work at times. Their weapons go straight through my sword. Also the weapons as so wobbly it's ridiculous. It's like the character can't lock his wrist and just swings his arm. Try this, just rotate your wrist one full 180 degrees fast, the wrist in-game slowly follows even if you have no weapon in hand.. it's like it's trying to simulate weight when there's no weight it's stupid, everything feels floaty because of this. The grappling hook is weird, pretty cool but weird, for some reason sometimes the dot to aim disappears, sometimes when you pull at max your left wrist starts to rotate wildly and you can't aim the hookshot anymore. When using 2 hands the weapons don't track your hands properly, I'll do a swing from up left to down right and it will swing almost straight up to down. The combat is actually super easy aside from the blocking not working, just wait for super strength and one shot anything. The mini boss fights are super annoying because you can't skip the cutscenes.
I really want to like this game but each time I play for like 30mins to an hour and switch to something else because I get frustrated. Last night I had the most fun I had with it fighting the second behemoth, it was pretty cool although very easy. I tried practicing my blocks in the arena but still, about 1 time out of 5 it straight up doesn't work. I thought I might have ran out of stamina and that's why it goes through but no it's random or I don't have the exact angle i'm supposed to have I don't know.. If it actually works and i'm just bad I think there should be some kind of practice mode where they show you exactly where your weapon should be to block and attack.
Also there's this weird thing where sometimes the enemies voices sound like they come from me ? Like I'll hear an enemy that is far away as if it was in my head. And there's very obvious popping, which isn't too bad but sometimes part of the map that isn't loaded in is visible so you straight up see through walls and then it pops in.
Not being able to skip the mini boss cutscenes isn’t even a vr problem, that’s just a game design problem 😂
It's really worth remembering that "most played" just like "most watched" means nothing. Sport events are the most watched video content, alongside soap operas and reality TV. Things that speak to most people are usually garbage, and gaming is no different. That's why competition based gaming (particularly if it's kid friendly) is so popular, but anyone who's really into good, quality, gaming sees them as dogshit.
If running the game on Meta link to fix the black screen issue make sure that your Open XR Runtime is set to Meta Quest Link that solved it instantly for me
Im not sure if its really hate. Although i havent tried it, from what ive seen, its just not as good as it was hyped to be. The enemy ai looks pretty bad and scripted... so combat doesnt seem meaningful. Felt the same way about human ai in walking dead, so i kind of expected this. Also, its only 6-8 hours or so with only 4 behemoths... in a game called behemoth. And the first one looks extremely boring and scripted (im sure the others are better but still). just one of those things that it doesnt live up to the high expectations that were implied. At least thats my view.
My play time was 10h 30min. People who spend time in sword fighting games might get done in 6
I think the game is divisive for a few reasons. The melee combat. Everyone sees Blade & Sorcery as the standard, so it’s immediately disappointing when it’s not the same. The other reason is the value proposition. People don’t want to pay $40 for a 6 hour campaign with only 3 behemoths. This particularly true if you don’t enjoy melee combat in VR.
I don't think it's hate, it's a reaction to hype. I've looked at loads of stuff about this game prior to launch and I think like most of us, we were waiting for the VR game of the year. It's good but it's most definitely not the best by some margin. So I think it's more about the perceived expectation, people were expecting game changing brilliance and the only got a good game.
AI in all the saints and sinners (human in particular) was a joke sadly.
If you want to be pedantic, it's called Behemoth, ie singular.
Otherwise it should have been called Behemoths lol 😂
@@stuartburns8657 agreed. I hated the human ai on saints and sinners.
And okay you got me there lol
I’m enjoying it, I just hate how floppy the physics are with the weapons.
Sometimes the blocking just does NOT work.
Other than that, I am enjoying it so far
I also pre ordered it, but had to buy it again when it came out. Paid twice for it, so I’d probably enjoy it more if I paid 40$ for it
Standalone headsets offer so little power that this type of mainstream approach to games simply does not work.. they will look underwhelming and like 10-20 year old game. To deal with the lack of resources, you would need a totally different approach. Levering stylizing and highly optimized custom engines.
I haven't played it yet but personally I just do not like VR melee combat, mostly because blocking and/or parrying never feels right and honestly most games do a terrible job of explaining how it even works. I think they need to move away from trying to make it "realistic" and just try to make it fun, there was nothing realistic about the combat in Batman and I loved it. I've been saying this for awhile but I think there's too much emphasis put on "immersion" and "realism" in VR, I'm playing it to have fun not to feel like I'm literally in a sword fight. I get that some people want realism and there's certainly room for both but I think most people just want to have fun.
real sword combat isnt intense its more about whos the more calm and collected warrior that can pierce the weakness in their enemy
Agreed. Not everything needs to be VRAF. Good gameplay should be the primary goal.
I don't get it.... are there not people that specifically play the game to test for these bugs and rough areas of the game?? How do they hype it up so well just for it to fall flat in a big way for a lot of people?? 😢
there definitely are. but QA can't catch everything and there were time constraints involved
Weren’t the preorder weapons the same as the weapons you need to beat the game anyways? And what about the bronze grappling hook we were supposed to get aswell for preordering
I really think that game companies should threaten to Sue. Too often games have been launcand an extremely messy, making them miss out on revenue.
About VR. I love it too, but to kind-of-quote Ivan Drago: "If it dies, it dies". Why do we still have to live with these Wii-style games? Alyx showed us how it was done. Asgard's Wrath 2 was also fun. Batman seems to be somewhat good, but in no way the great thing that everyone seems to think it is. Metro had me bored to hell, within the first hour (I might give it another try). The platform will not grow, until we get something exciting.
Wow this seems to be so polarising! I don’t get it.
Personally I love this game, I’m only about half way through & am taking my time. I think the story in particular is really good. Going into that cavern full of mysterious brown, slimy stalagmites & the mini-boss fight which followed were a highlight so far.
I playing natively on Quest, but how good that it supports cross-buy! So I can play on PC, too.
Anyone saying that the graphics on native Quest are in any way “bad” is either fooling themselves or just plain wrong. Compare it to most other Quest games - so many have to go for a cartoonish style or some other stylisation to supposedly compensate for the lack of hardware shaders and / or processing power, but then this, Metro & Batman come out & really prove there’s little need for such.
I think maybe the combat either clicks for you or not. I’m glad to say, for me it makes sense…. I’m still crap at it but don’t mind multiple retries (even with the loading & reloading) & even having to put the difficulty down if need be.
I’m in it for the story, experience & behemoth battles in particular, and overall, I am blown away, so happy to be playing it & grateful to Skydance for having made it.
were in the same camp it seems which is why i made the video it peaked my curiosity.
I just wish when you were holding the bow, that if you reached over your shoulder you would grab an arrow so you could nock it. I’m not a fan of the” just pull back on the string and an arrow appears” system.
Now they NEED to redo twd sas chapter 2 RIGHT NOW
for me it’s the parrying, but after some more time playing it i figured it out, i was swinging to fast and my headset was too slow to register it. i just had to swing like 1/3 slower, and now i can dismantle any enemy
Can I pose a question tho? Usually the game looked great on psvr2. But in the woods, near the fight with Dredstagg, I clearly noticed the boundaries as a "woods.png". How come we can have stuff like God of War, Elden Ring, RDR2 and so on, loads of visually stunning games on pc and consoles but vr games still can't be a decent open world with at least good graphics and textures? Is the gameplay features for vr that much demanding that there is no room, no capacity for graphics or great levels/level design? And there's my question: "Why do vr games feel so limited, even tho we have so good technology by now, and while normal games are incredibly to look at or massive?" Only vr game I know of, that looks awesome and is massive in size No Man's Sky.
Ok, you’re standing 10 feet in front of the enemy and they can see your bow. Of course they should move out the way. You have to have more distance and/or cover to hide behind to really catch enemies with a bow and arrow.
I wonder if VR needs the developers to sell parts of their game that works well, for example the combat from Blade and Sorcery. It feels like VR is still in the experimenting with what works phase and I'm sure they are probably all solving the same technical issues as each other...
The trouble with melee games is everyone has their own idea on how it should be.
Full physics and freedom but with the jank and cheese fighting that accompanies it or challenging with some gameplay restrictions like stamina.
They made a good looking game instead of a good game. You're on rails, every climbable surface is highlighted, hand holding for every behemoth battle, behemoths wait until you do the next thing. The first one on its knees, the falling bat will fall forever until you stab it in the chest. Good looking? Yes. Good game? Only for modern gamers that need hand holding, rails, enemies waiting for you to act.
Its simple, you're just a hardcore game enjoyer, lets leave it at that
Just bought it last night to try first time, it looks BEAUTIFUL on my 4090
Great video Steve. I’ll be getting Behemoth but not until it’s patched and working well.
Appreciate that! I hope patch fixes things cause people deserve a game like this!
It's a sport on the internet and in general to either love or hate things. So, if a game has some amazing scale-driven experiences and great acting, and an actual story, but has some (partially game breaking) bugs and annoyances, and too few of these encounters, people are either gonna say it's the best game ever (which really doesn't help if players go in with this attitude), or will pick apart every minor detail and issue that other games might also have. It can't just be in a grey zone, it has to be either amazing or appalling. That's where many of those divided opinions come from.
I personally had a great time playing Behemoth. Partly because the PCVR build lacks some of the annoyances, but mostly because I jumped in expecting some bugs.
My first VR game was Asgards Wrath 2 on the quest 3. It's amazing! It contains more 'Behemoths', better combat system and AI, really immersive, great story, music and looks really good. It is much better in every respect to Behemoth. First Behemoth....just doesn't give the same sense of scale that I got in Asgards Wrath 2, probably because the game is not optimised for quest 3 (yet)
I came to play this after I'd just completed Batman. The anticipation for this was huge being a fan of Saints and Sinners. I think because I'd just finished such a highly polished game which threw you into the whole character and narrative so well made Behemoth's shortfalls even more obvious to me. I played it right up the first Behemoth, in that time I was a little underwhelmed, graphics were quite good, I noticed quite a bit of pop in and also a few missing textures, steps were just a black space in places. I also agree with the comment about sluggish fighting and it being difficult to parry. I guess because I'd just come from a title that pretty much nailed the brief on how to make an engaging game for VR, left this title feeling underwhelming, especially after all the hype. I ultimately refunded it but I'm willing to revisit if some love and attention is applied in future patches. I hope they do because I so wanted to love this game.
Any chance of adding Iron Rebellion to your 20% catalog?
its not available annoyingly. ive added it to my watch list. it may become available when it leaves early access very SOON like days away
@@SteveKnows Love it. Thank you, Steve!
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updating site also
@@SteveKnows Steve you rascal! I love you!!! Purchasing now!
I'm playing on psvr2.
So load times and graphics weren't an issue.
Two things on combat, cause I had some of these complaints in the beginning.
1. Blocking - the combat is very weighted and slower paced than I was used to. When I slowed my movements down and starting holding my weapon up instead of.moving to block I've hit almost every block since. Also if you're low on stamina you can't block the heavier weapons.
2. The archers.
You can grab their helmets with thr grapple and pull them off their ledges, or use strength to steal their helmets if they have a railing in the way. You don't have to drop your weapon or shield to do this.
3. Secondary slots. I use these for shields and throwing knives.
Why even include reverse grip with the clunk and jumpiness of combat. The way the enemies chamber their attacks and leap like Bruce Lee forward at you is ridiculous.
Waiting for the patch before I start - which is great, because it gave me time to finish Into Black. Finally going through Red Matter now, so not all is lost!
Haha fantastic titles
@SteveKnows the Quest library is great and because of the continued backwards compatibility, older titles can age like a fine wine!
I truly wish more games would take inspo from Blade and Sorcery for the combat and physics
Thanks for sharing, Steve. I haven’t bought the game (yet), but if I do, I’d only want the PC version. There are already cheats available for this game, which help eliminate waiting times caused by untimely deaths.
Shouod i buy this on psvr2 or pc? I cant get a good conseus
I have a big question. I HATE whenever you walk, there is a ring around your screen. I may just be stupid, but can you disable it if you know what I'm talking about?
Yes in the settings menu
It’s a good game it’s the hype around the game that messed it up for people expectations were too high vs everything else even with its issues it’s still a top 15-20 game on the Quest. Its personally in my bottom top 10
The hype was intense, especially because it’s SKYDANCE! Let’s see if the patch helps
@@SteveKnows I myself was a bit underwhelmed when I found out to descend on a rope it was a button press but then I just started taking the fame for what it was and enjoyed it more
Im tired of every reviewer wearing rose colored glasses and saying EVERY vr game is amazing.
I also hate battles.
I so loved the way Citadel Undead have the battles. Behemoth should have same mechanics. As that game was and still is amazing for battle in medieval theme games.
Thanks for the rundown and your opinion, I bought the game with my metaquest plus 30% off so I think I will wait until the patch is done and you let me know it's worth looking at
Considering It's On The Quest 3 Also Using A Custom QGO Profile It's Been *A Sheer Thrill Ride* Thus Far *No Spoilers.
Maybe It's A Skill Issue Or Perhaps The Pricing.. But If The Quest Version Was This Good I Might Have To Check Out The PcVR Version 🔥
This comment is so hard to read
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@@Draven10101You don't need to capitalise every single word though homie :)
@DuckAlertBeats *Slides You A Glass Of Milk.*
So Did You Like Behemoth Or Nah?
@DuckAlertBeats Actually Thinking About Picking It Up Right Now On Steam Just To See The Difference.
See The Caps Aren't Worth Whining About 😂
Loved it until it turned to absolute mash potatoes towards the end. Durring the deer boss fight, the mechanics starts to not register everything or register the wrong object. But the icing on the cake is the constant disappearing and reappearing of the enemies.
A two minute wait with no feedback is insane.
The game looks ok on Q3 but PCVR add so much more to the experience. Very happy it's a cross-play title.
very much right. the weapons slot just didnt work good. the 2nd weapon slots just hard to use, and the on the 1st 4 weapons slots, it's very easy to mixed up in the heat of battle. There are at least 3 times that my bow that I have set on the left shoulder, got placed and swapped with my shields on the left waist. So, it cost me 30-50% of my health because of the confusion.
and the combat is just not good. when aiming with bow, I always got distracted with the aiming of the grappling hook that constantly there. melee combat is just bad. Sure when the enemy attack, we know and could get ready to parry, but it always fall short. Their swings are just too short to parry, resulting in a lot of miss parry, and they moved too forward like teleport when attacking (after the readying) which is a bit weird and messed up my parry tempo too. When got parried, the animation is weird in that they would just drop like too tired and let us hack the back of the neck. I parry u, so u should got bounced back and opened on the front not getting tired and giving me ur back.
Grimlord did the combat much better imo.
and the crux of the game, which is fighting the behemoth, turns out we just chasing and popping the pimples, which is a downer too.
not to say this is a bad game, but just too much hype. It just cannot be placed with batman and metro. It's average at best.
the guy with a massive 2 handed axe, the blocks and parrys rarely every register, took 20 minutes to kill bro. it works fine on every other enemy
Great to hear as I was waiting to hear more about this, so I will wait a while.
I bought it because the idea of it was just too fun but am waiting for the day 7 patch before playing. Have always learnt to wait with VR games because generally they launch with issues.
I recently finished the game myself on PSVR2. I love it, but yea the title-giving Behemoths definitely are too short. And usually I had sections in the game when I was annoyed at fighting humans again. Especially on my way to Dredstagg or like near the end. They should've splitter it up. Also would've made more sense would've also been more exciting. Fighting a behemoth but it shakes you off and you land somewhere else, need to get back or find it again and then you have a second fight, in a new area, with new strategy to take it down and then actual kill it. If you hunt a deer with bow and arrow and miss. It runs. Or a bear fights you and you have to retreat or whatever. Each behemoth was just one fight. see, fight, kill. As if skyscraper sized monsters where this easy and fast to take down. At least the hunt for the bat had several "stages" in the fight and thus was by far the most exciting and entertaining. But overall, Liked it.
My problem is no Q3 enhancements. Just the Q2 version
The reviews from Bringhurst and Gamertag VR convinced me to wait on this game for a while. I have a significant VR backlog anyway, so I figured I might as well wait for the first sale for Behemoth with the problems it has.
I get that the combat is tough, but it still looks too "Wii Waggle" for me. Even in the combat in this video. And only three behemoths? That means I've already seen them all. Should've had like nine of them. Six at minimum.
I can see why people would compare it to B&S with the general combat, but I admittedly was much less excited when I realised there were only 4 bosses. It made me realise I saw half the game's big content on playtests etc before the game was even released.
yeah. i wish the behemoth fights were longer and more plentiful. iirc at least 2 other behemoths got cut from the game
also when trying to be stealthy enemies 90% of the time still notice which is pretty annoying
I really enjoyed it. Played on Q3 and my only complaint was the behemoths were a little too easy. If you died and had to start over when you fell off then it would be way harder. The human bosses were way harder to me
20% off link is not working for me
people who have said this tried a different browser and it worked. give i t a go :)
its been tried and tested the links work
click the game and go to checkout it should apply automatically :) i got a video showing how if you need.
Thanks for the video. Tomorrow is the day the 2nd major patch drops and I’ve been told by the development team that this patch should be a good one trying the game to a great place. So i have patiently been waiting while tackling my massive psvr2 backlog. What a great time to play vr!!
I don't understand the people that say "the combat is bad, it's like wii tennis." Ok, so you are mad at the game and devs because you chose to make the game less fun by cheesing it?! How about you do the combat the way it was designed to be done and not cheat yourself out of a fun time! Like, shocker, a game is less fun when you skip the main focus of the game by cheesing it. 🤦♂️
Almost every video of people playing the game that I've seen, the person playing isn't doing the combat right or smart, they're just going at it and attacking without taking their time and using the parry and block mechanics. Be creative people, it's fun, don't rush something meant to entertain you.
How about the devs doing their job and getting block to work.
@@Cloudman572 bruh it does, I haven't had a single issue with it, nor have I seen footage of it not working. Maybe you're not doing it right?
@@caktix Yet you did watch the video were he discusses it???
Behemoth has the potential to be one ofthe best VR games of all time, but the subpar combat is really holding it back, and that’s what 90% of the game consists of. I hope they can improve it. With the way the a.i. is so basic and melee combat so gameified, I don’t expect it will ever reach Legendary Tales quality, but if they can address the balance and clunkiness issues it could be fun. It’s ridiculous every 10 seconds you basically have an “I Win” button where you can just grab an enemy and do whatever you want. The game doesn’t benefit from Gorn combat LMAO.
it's kind of hilarious how a decent amount of people complaining about the combat are literally just bad.
the vr grid put out a review saying that the combat is bad and the mechanics are weird but really in the footage you can see that they're just not good at the game
Thank you for this video. Hopefully devs will adress at least some of mentioned problems. Personally i have issue only with combat. Half of those problems would be solved by adding Sword Sifu at the arena. It's realy hard to catch this combat system if you dont know where you're doing mistakes.
The game is freaking awesome. For something very hyped I think it did a great job to live up to it. Some of the most epic moments in VR. The scale of this game is incredible. Whike not a prefect game still amazing
The combat sometimes works. Sometimes doesn’t. Hit or miss when you try and parry. We will see. Only played couple hours hoping it gets hetter
Can you add afilliate links for EarthQuest and Magic Keys?
Earth quest I was unable to find a link for so sorry, but I’ll add it to my list and double check again at home!
added earth quest to the site
8:58 mine did the same thing, I thought the game had a bug and why it didn't load
The stamina bar absolutely ruins this game. Once I got in and realized it had Saints and Sinners stamina bar I couldn't care less about it. Parrying is garbage the hook shot has been done in other games and way way better at that. The graphics are really good though
People think it's cool not liking whats popular.
Some people just have higher standards than the average person. Those said people ensure future games are more polished before releasing.
Some do, but Behemoth has a few noticeable bugs.
@@nobu3358 So that is why games still release in a poor state??
@dellper1 That’s true, but I don’t think that’s what is happening with Behemoth. It has great qualities AND real problems.
Some people, yes. However that’s a very shallow reading of this situation. There are some improvements that need to be made.
For one, music shouldn’t be cutting out 30% of the time
just picked up a quest 3 and didnt know that bit about meta plus, thank you!
It honestly looked way worse on PC than I thought it would. I knew they were falsely advertising, just not at that scale.
I get it now. If you hate behemoth, you hate fun. This was genuinley one of the most fun vr games ive played in a minute. The bosses were insanley well made and the combat was chunky and weighty in the best ways possible. And the graphocs on quest 3 are insane genuinley how did they pull it off? I was using quest game tuner so the game ran extra well for me haha.
At the end of the day its gonna happen with every big vr release reguardless. People overhype the hell out of a game then have unrealistic expectations for a videogame in general and then get dissapointed when its not half life alyx on ketamine. It happened with asgards wrath 2, metro vr and i even saw stuff about batman shockingly. Its just a loop of people overhyping a game and getting mad when it doesnt meet said expectations. Most complaints ive seen about this game can be fixed by either getting better at the game or being less nitpicky. The grapics complaint especially makes no sense. Its a visual treat on both platforms.
the first line cracked me up! if you hate behemoth you hate fun haha!
I am loving the game honestly, pro tip people need to use their special ability ALL THE TIME!
For what I’m hearing if you have a good pc it runs perfectly and in my experience I have psvr2 and I’ve experienced no glitches other then my weapons going through the floor. Loading times are a solid 3 seconds graphics are literally the same as on pc if not close behind. And it feels great with the controllers so from what ims wrong psvr2 is the most well optimized