Ben haha it’s way more spec’d up, modern and a better all rounder to the clio to be honest 😂 but the major thing about the civic is the steering, which I just can’t get my head around!
Lee Lockwood true, not a bad car, I’m liking the direction he is taking it aswell tbf, however, is it really worth like 7-8 times the price of the clio? 😂 Even like you said, there is much more bang for buck in other cars that you can get in comparison to a type r? That’s my issue with them!
The engines are one of the best na engines made, the engines are so easy to extract power from, where as the clios need thousands spend to make the same as a k20 from factory, k20s are over built and people have used that to there advantage, it was a naturally aspirated engine beating most turbod cars of its time
EP3’s are only 200hp because that was the ‘going rate’ power for hot hatches of the era, and that was a lot of power from a small car 18 years ago😂 and they love to over engineer things so that they stay reliable
Dude that same engine was giving 220bhp in Japan and still having a margin to exploit. They really detuned the engine for European market maybe due to emission laws or something. That car should have launched with 230bhp stock and would still have had margin for tuning it.
I had an EP3 for 11 years and can confirm that steering is normal for the car. The steering racks are not the best and can dry up. Re greasing them can improve it a fair bit. Mine always seemed to steer better in the wet probably due to the rain water lubricating the rack. Haha
It doesn't straightn up again because it needs a steering rack, or a eps sensor.. Drive 1 that doesn't need that.. It's his car issue not a type r. I've had many
i have always wanted a EP3 type r. just the looks and the noise. OMG. and there tones of mods for them. me personally. i wouldnt turbo or supercharge it. i would keep it NA. and just enjoy the VTEC YO
The reason why they can't have more power is because as soon as you start pushing 100bhp per litre in a naturally aspirated car it becomes hard to keep the engines reliable and suitable for every day use in terms of mapping, secondly Honda knows their customers will tune their cars and want to give companies like spoon etc. the option to give people upgraded parts which at the end of this day is what these cars are about and thirdly, Honda wanted to build these cars as good handling cars that are enjoyable to drive and as soon as you add a turbo you loose that instant power that is available on a naturally aspirated car which in most people's opinion givesca better driving experience.
6:10 cracked me up. The "leaving cinematic" for him to just go around the building and come back from the other side. Other youtubers would've did abit of editting there but that's a reason I enjoy Lee's vids. He's not arsed 😂
Well after owning a Subaru Sti v5, evo 6 and a r33 skyline r33 (gtst) I bought an ep3 Type R last year, and im having the best fun ever in it. No idea why your steering feels dodgy, mine feels perfect, infact cornering and handling is the best thing about it. Mine keeps up with all other types of cars for example r26, golf gti ect. Im loving the ep3, however my next car will be the fk8 when im done with this 👍🏻 The ep3 is a future classic for sure 😎
I was blown away by the ep3 I owned 4 years ago after dailying an e46 M3 convertible the standard ep3 was just as quick and it didn't even seem like a downgrade, when I compare these to any clio sport I just can't help but think the clios look girly, I intend to get another ep3 in the near future as they are so strong and cheap to maintain for the return you get.
A lot of people complain about the steering in these. I've never had a go in one to compare, but after owning a 172 like Lee and seeing his reaction, I think I'll stick with the Clio's
the steering is a very common issue, I had a 55 plate premier 30k on it steering was the same, had to make constant corrections, sold that and got 56 plate with 17k on it and its exactly the same, found the fault, need to undo the rack boots and wash out the old grease, and refill with new grease (cant remember the grease at this moment, but not all purpose grease), basically grease dries out make the slider not slide very well, just tightens up not allowing self centre, also have to agree the brakes are not great but mine are not terrible perhaps like jesse's, overall absolute brilliant cars and have intention of selling mine
In all honesty, before I saw this review I wasn't a massive fan of the EP3 but after seeing this i've got to say he's actually done a really tasteful job of modifying it. Also, the POV view shows what its actually capable of, as in some of his videos you cant get a perspective on the power! Good job lads.
In the van again. I think you need to be more brutal mate. If it goes it has to stop. No excuse for bad brakes when your pushing to get more power out of your car Its a recipe for disaster. Jessie was very quiet today. Was waiting for the banter to start. Great review mate. Great meeting and speaking to you again on sunday at trax. Keep up the good work. Always entertaining lee.
I agree with almost all of the points and type R’s don’t interest me at all however for being 14 years old theres nothing wrong with 200bhp. The MK7 ST still only had just under 200bhp
I agree, not a fan of type r's but considerating the fiesta although smaller 1.6 it has a turbo yet Honda n/a pulling out the factory with similar BHP years on, props to Honda in fairness
Never ever felt that steering with my ep3, genuinely do t know what he’s talking about! Steering and handling is one of the most impressive thing about it 🤪
i feel like lees reveiws are quite false, in his *volvo* c30 diesal review, im pretty sure he was inferring it was fun to drive, *fun and volvo dont work together..especially when you put diesel in the mix* tho i could be wrong i haven't driven one
Dallas Grantley defo! Don’t think he has a clue about cars. He’s honestly just a biased reviewer. He never mentioned any good bits about the car for example the k20 engine is brilliant and the handling
Understand totally when you talked about the steering lee, iav owned both cars 02 type r and the 8 mr, the evos steering racks are so quick and not a lot of effort put in for maximum gains, except the turning circle obviously, good review awesome car ep3s, takes me back to 2004 when I was 19. Have fun 👍
You don’t need a stand-alone ecu either to map these. You just buy the add on k100 Hondata board which connects to the oem ecu and it can be mapped. The reason it’s 200bhp is because at that time the majority of the cars were putting out around that sort of power. Plus it’s naturally aspirated so it’s difficult to get lots of power with out a fair few bolt ons. Needs mapping now he’s had all the bolt one added on to it. Gives a lower vtec point and better mid range torque. Steering feel isn’t as good on the ep3 compared to a dc5 due to the electric rack on a ep3 and a hydraulic rack on a dc5.
Horsepower isn't everything. So many cars run big power and just can't use it, especially FWD. DC5 especially uses ALL of its power extremely well. After modifications and map 240-250hp is good enough NA imo. Better than spinning up in 2nd, 3rd and 4th until you gain any traction 🤷🏽♂️
Have to say I completely agree, When I drove one the steering was numb and vague at best, the brakes were poor. But the engine and gearbox is absolutely superb. However, I have to say I much preferred my clio 182 in comparison, it was quicker, the steering felt far more responsive and the chassis was better imo. But with that in mind I think the Type R is a better car, more tunability and I think the k20 is better than a F4R, but I prefer the Clio 182/172 and tbh i think you probably feel the same way 👍
With a couple of handling mods the EP3 can be made much much better, I don't see the whole argument between the Clio and the EP3 though, both great cars from a great era of hot hatches, they were both made to be drivers cars, unlike the massive power turbo hatches of this day and age..
Good video bud 😎 I get what your saying about there’s a lot more out there bang for the buck, for example: I bought my dream car last year, fd2 Civic typeR and for the same price you could get a cracking mr evo9 etc. thing is with us Honda enthusiasts, we grew up with Honda’s in our blood. As a young lad the crx, preludes etc were my poster cars. I love everything about Honda’s, the history etc. I have drove a lot of other high powered cars but the heart will always lie with the H badge. Should try and review a Fd2 lee, proper bit of kit. A lot of the evo guys rate them very high. Again great video big man. 👌😎
Note for Jesse, the EP3 has horrible bump steer, i fixed mine with steering rack slider, shortened tie rod ends and offset lower control arm bushings, mine was terrible up until i fixed it and the way you described it in this video was just like how mine used to be
Back then hot hatches were marketed more towards younger drivers, they needed to stay fuel efficient, insurable, reliable and driver friendly. Besides making 250-300hp would have really messed with the pecking order in their fleet. Making it probably more expensive and causing it to not sell as well.
I'm not a fan of hondas generally but this is a terrible review from Lee. The whole lack of speed feeling is due to low torque figures.. Not the interior 😣.. And the gripe with only producing the EP3s with only 200bhp moot as, for the time period it was perfect, it kicked other hot hatches all over the place. I mean why would they release a fwd car with 400bhp stock lol, most people would die and that would desimate other cars higher up their product line. I've personally driven my friends 440bhp supercharged EP3 and that was scary but they handle it well... I know its subjective opinion based journalism but fck me lad, you're way off the mark...
I agree the steering is weird. I also agree that the car was released under powered, specially in Europe. The brakes stock are shite but just changing a few things they improve a lot. I reckon this is a car that needs to be improved from its stock form to really start to shine whether maybe those clios he mentions are just nice out of the box.
@@king-manu2758 Mcufre I think this is the problem saying it needed more power from factory. Most people are forgetting the EP3 came out, near as makes no difference, 20 years ago (2001). In light of this, ferrari was producing its top of the range model (Enzo) with 650bhp. The civic had plenty for the era... 1/3 of the power of the then supercars sounds like a good deal to me. Scale up 20 years and that's exactly what's happening with todays hot hatches... 300bhp vs the standard 1000bhp hypercars... The EP3 was praised for having the most power (against its rivals) from factory, back in the day... I remember as I'm old 😉 It only needs upgrading nowadays due to being outperformed by a brand new dacia sandero 🤣
@@v1talstatistix the problem is that the ep3 was released with more power in Japan. The k20 can easily give out 230bhp without any straining. They gave us a capped engine. With the fn2 it was even more glaring. They could have easily given that car the power it needed. It's understandable people get mad at it, more so considering Hondas already have a stigma of being stereotyped as slow.
@@king-manu2758 Mcufre Yeah. Japan always give more power to their domestic market cars vs overseas. Same with subarus, like mine for instance... No problem. Just swap the block out for those xtra goodies 😉 Never really known specifically why this happens but it's probably to do with tax/safety regs for given countries etc 🤷♂️
My steering was bolocked on my EP3, changed out the Power steering unit under the passenger dash and works perfectly now, instant response to the slightest movement
Think you’ve just drove a sh*t type r tbf, the steering on them are brilliant. Handling is amazing! The k20 engines are one of the most reliable engines out there so to it safe to say even though they are 200hp, it’s one of the best engines made and was one of the best cars in its era.
Saying that they come with 200bhp yet as a TH-camr and car enthusiast surely having those modifications to do is more fun and gives you more content love the video
I had the same steering issue with mine when I lowered it. Replaced the sus arm TREs and the strut tops and the geo done. They set it at 0° and it drives perfect now.
Great review Lee!! As i am currently not able to afford an evo (always been my dream car) i own a vrx lancer which i believe is decent especially for fuel consumption... but i have always wanted a tommy 6
In its era it was one of the fastest N/A hot hatches!! A great looking car and it is fast for what it was in that era. Right mods and remap they are a very quick car and alot of cars of the same sort of era wouldn't touch it. Its all about living in V-TEC!!
The steering is probably due to the ball joints or the inner track rod. In terms of under powering then wasn't built for straight line. They was built for Touge.
The steering wheel returning to straight is to do with the castor angle. Did Jesse get full digital tracking done where they check everything. Could be the lowering sprigs throwing it off
anyone that slates these cars is driving a fucked EP3. the steering is spot on if the car is spot on. clearly an issue. also, people slating the looks. I thought the car scene was all about doing a car to what you like and giving it the personality you want. nowadays everyone has cars looking all the same due to worrying too much about what others think. fuck what anyone thinks if you like it do it end off.
EP2 and EP3 both can suffer from degraded steering where it fails to right to centre when exiting a turn, this is a common issue and usually a fault with the steering rack.
The reason why the ep3 didn't came with more power is because of the gentlemen's agreement endorsed by the US and the Japanese since 1989, this agreement stated that both countries automakers wouldn't produce cars with no more than 200-276hp this would prevent competition and horsepower wars between both countries as a lead to protect citizens from illegal street racing' vehicular collisions etc. This was also based on the boom for JDM imports as the street scene in the US was becoming a usual thing, sadly the gentlemen's agreement ended in 2005 right after the premier edition was made so quite sadly the ep3 never received more hp.
200hp from 2 litres NO turbo compared with other hot hatch makers of the time who struggked to make even 180 using boost smh says alot about honda - EPIC!!
Hondas are amongst the best cars, had an EP1 then and EP2 now got an FN1. Gearbox bearings are complete ass but the position of the shifter is great for driving and very comfortable to use
Some mate u are beats it in a race with a clio then slaughters it in a review 😂😂 but u guys still make a great partnership bounce off each other really well keep up the good work both of u 👍
poly bushing front lower control arms and replacing steering rack slider with metal one and putting aftermarket tie rods reduces the tram lining when accelerating
I love Jesse's car the gold and grey go and go well engine bay is so tidy an all great review the brakes can be sorted no doubt he will great vid lee it's not really a lee car defo a jesse car
I imagine they de tuned them because they wanted the cars to fit in a lower insurance bracket and appeal to a wider market. Ford did something similar with the ST150.
its a rack issue, the grease dries out not allowing the slider to slide freely, binds up making it not self centre, floored design but easly rectified, different animal when corrected, fantastic cars
Great vid lad.👍 love the styling of the civic ep3s and its true what your saying, why limit the car if the engine is as good as they are. Cant comment on the handling as ive never even experienced one but would defo loveto just for the vtec.👍
Connar a corsa is probably the best thing to go for... just because there is a stigma with corsas and maccies doesn’t make them bad cars. Either a corsa or a 1.0l eco boost but be prepared to replace the turbo on the fiesta
@@lush4937 seen a 6n2 polo gti and a twingo sport that I'm gonna have a look at. Yeah I dont mind corsas at all just up here where am from there is an abundance of them like 6-8 alone in my street
Connar insurance for those might be abit pricey. If you like them try a punto sporting evo, they’re not bad to insure... or a mk6 zetec s, visual wise there is quite a few mods you can do
Drive a dc2 type r you will change your mind about Hondas , also engineers have built a engine that has much more kw than Torque . Most Na engine 2000cc cars with 200 nm torque have 50kw less
Jeremy clarkson was bang on about this car: theres not that much actual power but it makes up for that for being so urgent and eager, its like a pensions terrier wooof woof woof out over your shoulder
the 2.2 i-cdti is the same its got very low power from the factory 130bhp if i remember correctly and thats a 2.2 turbo diesel common rail! you can map them to 200hp just by the map alone
but you see them with 700k on them sometimes and i think that is the reason honda does this they detune the engines so they are never worked 100% so they are super reliable as a result
I think they come with that BHP because if they put more power through that box they'll need a stiffer harder clutch which would piss a lot of people off using it as a daily. Boosted boys also run competition clutches on their cars not the stock ones. Honda don't want people burning out clutches. I agree though they could be 300 BHP N/A from factory tho
President Lockwood,The weird steering is the steering rack slider or it needs a new rack or too much negative camber cause he lowered it and the rear buy your self tracking plates,camber gage and education your brain and put it right free of charge.
the steering shouldn't be like that, allignments fucked. agreed with you regarding the power, they really should have more seeing as though they can easily take it.
The steering feel and self centering is all due to alignment. Jesse needs to get a proper 4 wheel alignment done. It will make it a completely different car
Poor old Jesse - sat there in the passenger seat trying to hold back the tears as Lockwood rips into the EP3
detron666 I think I was rather fair!😂
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Lee Lockwood sometimes you have to be brutally honest
The greatest four cylinder engine ever made. Sublime engineering from Honda.
Brutally honest review - “I spent 800 on a clio and it beat this car”
That’s all that needs to be said
Ben haha it’s way more spec’d up, modern and a better all rounder to the clio to be honest 😂 but the major thing about the civic is the steering, which I just can’t get my head around!
Lee Lockwood true, not a bad car, I’m liking the direction he is taking it aswell tbf, however, is it really worth like 7-8 times the price of the clio? 😂
Even like you said, there is much more bang for buck in other cars that you can get in comparison to a type r? That’s my issue with them!
Ben that’s the main thing for me also; the bang for buck!
The engines are one of the best na engines made, the engines are so easy to extract power from, where as the clios need thousands spend to make the same as a k20 from factory, k20s are over built and people have used that to there advantage, it was a naturally aspirated engine beating most turbod cars of its time
Ben has a 1.2 corsa.
Also Ben if you think the clio is in the same standard as a ep3 your car knowledge is poor
10:59 they both itch at the Same time haha that’s soo weird😂
hhhahaha yes very weird
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Synchronised
😂😂😂😂😂
why did it annoy me hahaha
Was a nice clean example of an EP3, not anymore 😭😭
200bhp for a car that was designed nearly 20 years ago is pretty awesome.
220bhp in Japan, detuned for Europe for lord knows why.
Mcufre Enviromental regulations? hahaha only reason I can think of;)
@@rubennabi anyway I discovered it was actually 212bhp in Japan. Not such a big difference
Mcufre thought it was 220 ?
@@juho3328 212bhp for the k20a
EP3’s are only 200hp because that was the ‘going rate’ power for hot hatches of the era, and that was a lot of power from a small car 18 years ago😂 and they love to over engineer things so that they stay reliable
They're tuned down because of the way the car was marketed at the time - thats the only reason.
yeliah yeah, as I said it was the standard of power for hot hatches of that era
Also for emission reasons to include a CAT
Dude that same engine was giving 220bhp in Japan and still having a margin to exploit. They really detuned the engine for European market maybe due to emission laws or something. That car should have launched with 230bhp stock and would still have had margin for tuning it.
@@king-manu2758 the japanese version has a different engine tho. The euro version has a k20a2 while the japan version has a k20a
I had an EP3 for 11 years and can confirm that steering is normal for the car. The steering racks are not the best and can dry up. Re greasing them can improve it a fair bit. Mine always seemed to steer better in the wet probably due to the rain water lubricating the rack. Haha
The mirror and those Recaro headrests really are shocking.
The mirror is amazing, you can see blind corners without turning your head.
Pedo headrests
It doesn't straightn up again because it needs a steering rack, or a eps sensor.. Drive 1 that doesn't need that.. It's his car issue not a type r. I've had many
The biggest common fault on them and people replace rack.just needs regreasing
Grease the steering-rack slider! Job done!
Turned a nice car into an absolute shambles. Well done
that's what a fuck ton of stickers and no class does.
i have always wanted a EP3 type r. just the looks and the noise. OMG. and there tones of mods for them. me personally. i wouldnt turbo or supercharge it. i would keep it NA. and just enjoy the VTEC YO
I’m with Jesse on this one I love the ep3s they are so much fun! Best car I’ve ever bought 🚗💨
I also thought this till I drove other cars
The reason why they can't have more power is because as soon as you start pushing 100bhp per litre in a naturally aspirated car it becomes hard to keep the engines reliable and suitable for every day use in terms of mapping, secondly Honda knows their customers will tune their cars and want to give companies like spoon etc. the option to give people upgraded parts which at the end of this day is what these cars are about and thirdly, Honda wanted to build these cars as good handling cars that are enjoyable to drive and as soon as you add a turbo you loose that instant power that is available on a naturally aspirated car which in most people's opinion givesca better driving experience.
6:10 cracked me up. The "leaving cinematic" for him to just go around the building and come back from the other side. Other youtubers would've did abit of editting there but that's a reason I enjoy Lee's vids. He's not arsed 😂
Well after owning a Subaru Sti v5, evo 6 and a r33 skyline r33 (gtst) I bought an ep3 Type R last year, and im having the best fun ever in it. No idea why your steering feels dodgy, mine feels perfect, infact cornering and handling is the best thing about it.
Mine keeps up with all other types of cars for example r26, golf gti ect.
Im loving the ep3, however my next car will be the fk8 when im done with this 👍🏻
The ep3 is a future classic for sure 😎
Phil Hornsby couldn’t agree more mate!
Yeah I agree too.
Agreed, although i think lees reviews are sh*t!
I was blown away by the ep3 I owned 4 years ago after dailying an e46 M3 convertible the standard ep3 was just as quick and it didn't even seem like a downgrade, when I compare these to any clio sport I just can't help but think the clios look girly, I intend to get another ep3 in the near future as they are so strong and cheap to maintain for the return you get.
A lot of people complain about the steering in these. I've never had a go in one to compare, but after owning a 172 like Lee and seeing his reaction, I think I'll stick with the Clio's
Struggling for content slag ya mates car off
its brutally honest lol
the steering is a very common issue, I had a 55 plate premier 30k on it steering was the same, had to make constant corrections, sold that and got 56 plate with 17k on it and its exactly the same, found the fault, need to undo the rack boots and wash out the old grease, and refill with new grease (cant remember the grease at this moment, but not all purpose grease), basically grease dries out make the slider not slide very well, just tightens up not allowing self centre, also have to agree the brakes are not great but mine are not terrible perhaps like jesse's, overall absolute brilliant cars and have intention of selling mine
In all honesty, before I saw this review I wasn't a massive fan of the EP3 but after seeing this i've got to say he's actually done a really tasteful job of modifying it. Also, the POV view shows what its actually capable of, as in some of his videos you cant get a perspective on the power! Good job lads.
In the van again. I think you need to be more brutal mate.
If it goes it has to stop. No excuse for bad brakes when your pushing to get more power out of your car
Its a recipe for disaster.
Jessie was very quiet today.
Was waiting for the banter to start.
Great review mate.
Great meeting and speaking to you again on sunday at trax.
Keep up the good work.
Always entertaining lee.
Good. Comment. Really. Good.
Whats more red?
Lee’s face or the Recaro seats? 🤫
3:30- OMFG don’t panic but there is a T Rex on top of the grass verge 😂🤣🤣
I agree with almost all of the points and type R’s don’t interest me at all however for being 14 years old theres nothing wrong with 200bhp. The MK7 ST still only had just under 200bhp
I agree, not a fan of type r's but considerating the fiesta although smaller 1.6 it has a turbo yet Honda n/a pulling out the factory with similar BHP years on, props to Honda in fairness
Never ever felt that steering with my ep3, genuinely do t know what he’s talking about! Steering and handling is one of the most impressive thing about it 🤪
i feel like lees reveiws are quite false, in his *volvo* c30 diesal review, im pretty sure he was inferring it was fun to drive, *fun and volvo dont work together..especially when you put diesel in the mix* tho i could be wrong i haven't driven one
Dallas Grantley defo! Don’t think he has a clue about cars. He’s honestly just a biased reviewer. He never mentioned any good bits about the car for example the k20 engine is brilliant and the handling
Understand totally when you talked about the steering lee, iav owned both cars 02 type r and the 8 mr, the evos steering racks are so quick and not a lot of effort put in for maximum gains, except the turning circle obviously, good review awesome car ep3s, takes me back to 2004 when I was 19. Have fun 👍
You don’t need a stand-alone ecu either to map these. You just buy the add on k100 Hondata board which connects to the oem ecu and it can be mapped.
The reason it’s 200bhp is because at that time the majority of the cars were putting out around that sort of power.
Plus it’s naturally aspirated so it’s difficult to get lots of power with out a fair few bolt ons.
Needs mapping now he’s had all the bolt one added on to it. Gives a lower vtec point and better mid range torque.
Steering feel isn’t as good on the ep3 compared to a dc5 due to the electric rack on a ep3 and a hydraulic rack on a dc5.
Here comes another reaction video from Jesse 😂
Hate the gold gear knob the mugen carbon one was better
Classic car 😍 These older cars have character 👍 back in the day most hot hatch’s didn’t have much BHP like they do these days
Not watched it yet, but if he doesn't mention the fact you bossed him in the Clio, I'll be disappointed 😂
Ethan Fanshawe Wounded hahahahaha
Horsepower isn't everything. So many cars run big power and just can't use it, especially FWD. DC5 especially uses ALL of its power extremely well. After modifications and map 240-250hp is good enough NA imo. Better than spinning up in 2nd, 3rd and 4th until you gain any traction 🤷🏽♂️
Feel like he forgets the definition of hot hatch. 200 mark is perfect for a car like the EP3, its not an E46 ffs.
I found the steering pretty easy to get used to. After a few hours from picking mine up the feel became 2nd nature :)
Have to say I completely agree,
When I drove one the steering was numb and vague at best, the brakes were poor.
But the engine and gearbox is absolutely superb.
However, I have to say I much preferred my clio 182 in comparison, it was quicker, the steering felt far more responsive and the chassis was better imo.
But with that in mind I think the Type R is a better car, more tunability and I think the k20 is better than a F4R, but I prefer the Clio 182/172 and tbh i think you probably feel the same way 👍
With a couple of handling mods the EP3 can be made much much better, I don't see the whole argument between the Clio and the EP3 though, both great cars from a great era of hot hatches, they were both made to be drivers cars, unlike the massive power turbo hatches of this day and age..
Good video bud 😎 I get what your saying about there’s a lot more out there bang for the buck, for example: I bought my dream car last year, fd2 Civic typeR and for the same price you could get a cracking mr evo9 etc. thing is with us Honda enthusiasts, we grew up with Honda’s in our blood. As a young lad the crx, preludes etc were my poster cars. I love everything about Honda’s, the history etc. I have drove a lot of other high powered cars but the heart will always lie with the H badge. Should try and review a Fd2 lee, proper bit of kit. A lot of the evo guys rate them very high. Again great video big man. 👌😎
It’s 2019 get rid of the cheesy stickers including the inside of windscreen
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Sick day tho 🤙🏼
@@nameunknown9239 😂😂
Look into a worn rack slider for steering feel Improvement
I’m parting out a 986 Porsche Boxster if you want some 4 pot brembos cheap? In Manchester.
jake jeffries I upgraded brakes after I bought the car and they were worse 👏🏼
Still weirds me out that you guys live round my area fun video seeing the places I drive everyday!
Note for Jesse, the EP3 has horrible bump steer, i fixed mine with steering rack slider, shortened tie rod ends and offset lower control arm bushings, mine was terrible up until i fixed it and the way you described it in this video was just like how mine used to be
I didn’t realise how much I like Jessie’s car until now , it’s soooooo clean 😍
Ep3 type r, the best car I have ever owned
Back then hot hatches were marketed more towards younger drivers, they needed to stay fuel efficient, insurable, reliable and driver friendly. Besides making 250-300hp would have really messed with the pecking order in their fleet. Making it probably more expensive and causing it to not sell as well.
I'm not a fan of hondas generally but this is a terrible review from Lee. The whole lack of speed feeling is due to low torque figures.. Not the interior 😣.. And the gripe with only producing the EP3s with only 200bhp moot as, for the time period it was perfect, it kicked other hot hatches all over the place. I mean why would they release a fwd car with 400bhp stock lol, most people would die and that would desimate other cars higher up their product line. I've personally driven my friends 440bhp supercharged EP3 and that was scary but they handle it well... I know its subjective opinion based journalism but fck me lad, you're way off the mark...
I agree the steering is weird. I also agree that the car was released under powered, specially in Europe. The brakes stock are shite but just changing a few things they improve a lot. I reckon this is a car that needs to be improved from its stock form to really start to shine whether maybe those clios he mentions are just nice out of the box.
@@king-manu2758 Mcufre I think this is the problem saying it needed more power from factory.
Most people are forgetting the EP3 came out, near as makes no difference, 20 years ago (2001). In light of this, ferrari was producing its top of the range model (Enzo) with 650bhp. The civic had plenty for the era... 1/3 of the power of the then supercars sounds like a good deal to me. Scale up 20 years and that's exactly what's happening with todays hot hatches... 300bhp vs the standard 1000bhp hypercars...
The EP3 was praised for having the most power (against its rivals) from factory, back in the day... I remember as I'm old 😉
It only needs upgrading nowadays due to being outperformed by a brand new dacia sandero 🤣
@@v1talstatistix the problem is that the ep3 was released with more power in Japan. The k20 can easily give out 230bhp without any straining. They gave us a capped engine. With the fn2 it was even more glaring. They could have easily given that car the power it needed. It's understandable people get mad at it, more so considering Hondas already have a stigma of being stereotyped as slow.
@@king-manu2758 Mcufre Yeah. Japan always give more power to their domestic market cars vs overseas. Same with subarus, like mine for instance... No problem. Just swap the block out for those xtra goodies 😉
Never really known specifically why this happens but it's probably to do with tax/safety regs for given countries etc 🤷♂️
My steering was bolocked on my EP3, changed out the Power steering unit under the passenger dash and works perfectly now, instant response to the slightest movement
I like that. Good job with the over all look and modification choices. It's about perfect!
Think you’ve just drove a sh*t type r tbf, the steering on them are brilliant. Handling is amazing! The k20 engines are one of the most reliable engines out there so to it safe to say even though they are 200hp, it’s one of the best engines made and was one of the best cars in its era.
Saying that they come with 200bhp yet as a TH-camr and car enthusiast surely having those modifications to do is more fun and gives you more content love the video
The ending cracked me up😂 get some better brakes and grippy tyres and you'll be hammering it round the track😉 great vid lee❤
10:57 you both feel that same itch 😂😂
I had the same steering issue with mine when I lowered it. Replaced the sus arm TREs and the strut tops and the geo done. They set it at 0° and it drives perfect now.
10:58 that synchronicity 😂😂
matts_st hahahahaha that’s mad!
@@itsleelockwood you know you're good mates when u feel the same thing at the same place at the same moment 😂😂
Great review Lee!! As i am currently not able to afford an evo (always been my dream car) i own a vrx lancer which i believe is decent especially for fuel consumption... but i have always wanted a tommy 6
Re1iCz ll the TMEs are gorgeous cars
Its called the gentleman's agreement, all manufacturers aggreed to build cars to similar spec so sales rates are more fair.
Bollox
No, the gentlemens agreement was in Japan in the 90s when manufacturers were capping the power of their cars to 280bhp.
yupti maman yeh exactly that.
@@iDriveNotxDrive nope, not at all. Read my previous comment.
Track Time Videos why would they make a 300/400bhp ep3 just to make it harder for themselves to improve on newer cars?
Hi Lee, great video. He has done a great job with the car. I quite like the addition of red in the interior
Been waiting for this for a long long time
In its era it was one of the fastest N/A hot hatches!! A great looking car and it is fast for what it was in that era. Right mods and remap they are a very quick car and alot of cars of the same sort of era wouldn't touch it. Its all about living in V-TEC!!
The steering is probably due to the ball joints or the inner track rod.
In terms of under powering then wasn't built for straight line. They was built for Touge.
Black roof lining and A,B,C pillars looks amazing got that on my ep aswell
The steering wheel returning to straight is to do with the castor angle. Did Jesse get full digital tracking done where they check everything. Could be the lowering sprigs throwing it off
Jwil Switch not sure if he did!
anyone that slates these cars is driving a fucked EP3. the steering is spot on if the car is spot on. clearly an issue. also, people slating the looks. I thought the car scene was all about doing a car to what you like and giving it the personality you want. nowadays everyone has cars looking all the same due to worrying too much about what others think. fuck what anyone thinks if you like it do it end off.
Been a long time coming!
Like this type of review. Brutally honest.
The weight's from the extra Two tyres Jesse's carrying
2:51 anyone else spot him put the steering lock on? 😂🤨🤣
EP2 and EP3 both can suffer from degraded steering where it fails to right to centre when exiting a turn, this is a common issue and usually a fault with the steering rack.
The reason why the ep3 didn't came with more power is because of the gentlemen's agreement endorsed by the US and the Japanese since 1989, this agreement stated that both countries automakers wouldn't produce cars with no more than 200-276hp this would prevent competition and horsepower wars between both countries as a lead to protect citizens from illegal street racing' vehicular collisions etc. This was also based on the boom for JDM imports as the street scene in the US was becoming a usual thing, sadly the gentlemen's agreement ended in 2005 right after the premier edition was made so quite sadly the ep3 never received more hp.
200hp from 2 litres NO turbo compared with other hot hatch makers of the time who struggked to make even 180 using boost smh says alot about honda - EPIC!!
My steering feels similar but is it not due to them being lowered and then needing a steering rack slider refitted? Or the rack raiser?
I always found cars feel fast as a passenger.
They do handle very good but the eps will take upto a week to get the feel
Aye the cilo won but would still rather have the type r bro sick vid once again bro ur the man keep up the hard graft FUCKIN AWESOME 👌 🏴
Hondas are amongst the best cars, had an EP1 then and EP2 now got an FN1. Gearbox bearings are complete ass but the position of the shifter is great for driving and very comfortable to use
These Hondas are like marmite. Jese's deffo dissapointed with ur opinion tho
David probably is! But it says it in the title.. “honest review!”
@@itsleelockwood cant get fairer than that lad lol
Some mate u are beats it in a race with a clio then slaughters it in a review 😂😂 but u guys still make a great partnership bounce off each other really well keep up the good work both of u 👍
poly bushing front lower control arms and replacing steering rack slider with metal one and putting aftermarket tie rods reduces the tram lining when accelerating
I love Jesse's car the gold and grey go and go well engine bay is so tidy an all great review the brakes can be sorted no doubt he will great vid lee it's not really a lee car defo a jesse car
I imagine they de tuned them because they wanted the cars to fit in a lower insurance bracket and appeal to a wider market. Ford did something similar with the ST150.
Still sound like a tracking issue there with the steering not returning! I would get that looked at again sounds dangerous!
its a rack issue, the grease dries out not allowing the slider to slide freely, binds up making it not self centre, floored design but easly rectified, different animal when corrected, fantastic cars
@@chrishatfield4424 is there any tutorial of this? If not you should make one
Great vid lad.👍 love the styling of the civic ep3s and its true what your saying, why limit the car if the engine is as good as they are. Cant comment on the handling as ive never even experienced one but would defo loveto just for the vtec.👍
What's a good first car? Not hella expensive or a corsa. Been looking at mk6 fiestas and Peugeot 207s.
Connar a corsa is probably the best thing to go for... just because there is a stigma with corsas and maccies doesn’t make them bad cars. Either a corsa or a 1.0l eco boost but be prepared to replace the turbo on the fiesta
@@lush4937 seen a 6n2 polo gti and a twingo sport that I'm gonna have a look at. Yeah I dont mind corsas at all just up here where am from there is an abundance of them like 6-8 alone in my street
Connar insurance for those might be abit pricey. If you like them try a punto sporting evo, they’re not bad to insure... or a mk6 zetec s, visual wise there is quite a few mods you can do
@@lush4937 seen a few mk6 zetec s and Peugeot 207s GTIs and the insurance ain't all that bad
More details. What tires/ breaks are you dealing with. What hp is it at?
What are those stupid looking little pillow things held on with elastic on the seats for? 🤣
Johan Sörensen is a sad loner virgin they’re headrests
Gregory McAllister but the seats have built in headrests, I don’t get it at all. 🤨 They look wank btw.
@@Balloonychoonz444 it doesn't have headrest, just like every bucket seats
Guilhem Sd your mum gives me head!
@@Balloonychoonz444 I'm sorry to inform you that your parents are related
I love this car ep3 are world class they're fun and boy they look good!
Has it been "tracked" or 4 wheel laser aligned?
Drive a dc2 type r you will change your mind about Hondas , also engineers have built a engine that has much more kw than Torque . Most Na engine 2000cc cars with 200 nm torque have 50kw less
Jeremy clarkson was bang on about this car: theres not that much actual power but it makes up for that for being so urgent and eager, its like a pensions terrier wooof woof woof out over your shoulder
That’s one video I didn’t bother watching all the way to the end
Which one drives better DC5R or EP3?
Brutally honest comment... You was to scard to give it some... Its only 200ish break you dont need brakes drop gears
3:15 did you shoot this video on a scene from the new jurassic park movie lad😂😂
the 2.2 i-cdti is the same its got very low power from the factory 130bhp if i remember correctly and thats a 2.2 turbo diesel common rail! you can map them to 200hp just by the map alone
but you see them with 700k on them sometimes and i think that is the reason honda does this they detune the engines so they are never worked 100% so they are super reliable as a result
@@somervillearron map one of those expect to replace the dmf
This review was done on Jurassic park. Don’t move !!! The T. rex can’t see you if you stand still.
I think they come with that BHP because if they put more power through that box they'll need a stiffer harder clutch which would piss a lot of people off using it as a daily. Boosted boys also run competition clutches on their cars not the stock ones. Honda don't want people burning out clutches. I agree though they could be 300 BHP N/A from factory tho
That mirror is for the track Covers blind spots not ideal for normal road use
Jesse should've never sold this.
Tyres and brakes are shite! Get the basics right.
Agree with the steering and the ecu facts.
Is that the the garden center near your house with the mini golf course 😂👍
Have you tried it in 2nd gear at 20mph?
President Lockwood,The weird steering is the steering rack slider or it needs a new rack or too much negative camber cause he lowered it and the rear buy your self tracking plates,camber gage and education your brain and put it right free of charge.
the steering shouldn't be like that, allignments fucked. agreed with you regarding the power, they really should have more seeing as though they can easily take it.
The steering feel and self centering is all due to alignment. Jesse needs to get a proper 4 wheel alignment done. It will make it a completely different car