What are your thoughts on King’s heat? Your video seemed more like an analysis on Tekken 8 throws in general, not a specific look at King. At low ranks, his heat is more of an issue than people not knowing how to throw break. Almost 70 damage at the press of a button, and jaguar sprint leads to an unbreakable throw mixup, which you didn’t cover in your video at all.
6:11 ”numbers don’t lie and most people hate this character” Few seconds later: ”King is the most used character” 😂😂😂 That means that King is loved not hated
7:07 You are a salty person Boogard, so you attract negative people to your comments so naturally you’ll hear about other salty players hating on King, but that’s really not the majority’s opinion.
Also serious comment the solution to King's throw's and breaking correctly is knowing the intention behind the throw. Just like ANY other move in Tekken knowing the reason why the opponent would use it in a specific situation is half the read. Is the floor breakable, where's the wall, if they punished with a grab instead of a combo does it have a tech trap that's worth giving up that damage? Informed reads forces King to take less optimal routes and rewards from opening you up.
@@Furionic696 thats not the only issue players are having, its his heat being able to trigger his running stance, during heat its super armor and casuals up to blue ranks struggle with the 50/50 potential it has. but against any veteran or pro these things are much more telegraphed to their professional eyes.
Come on , throws are homing, and counter throws exist. So, by default, his throws way more dangerous than they've ever been. That isn't the main game plan. It makes the match up linear after a while.
Man, to be a Main King nowadays is to receive constant hate, but that doesn't matter when you remember that every victory and every butt we kick is for the happiness of the children.
Since the core issue about grabs is that new players don't know much about them, a great solution would be to add a tutorial specifically about grabs as well as a mini game where King continuously grabs you and you need to tech. With how great T8's learning tools already are, a new one about grabs alone would solve the issue.
@@bogarman95that's the assumption on how to do that. even for me it tells you how to break it but don't tell you about looking out for a limb and for king that's not the case
Lmao, that's facts. People who grapple even in real life are often hated. Mma shows this. Most people want a stand-up fight only the people deep in the community tend to appreciate grabs
Kings used to beat the breaks off me so I started using King. Now he's my secondary main and since, I can typically beat them with other characters when I encounter Kings in ranked. I think the best way to learn how to beat a character is to play that character.
@Marquis_Foxglove I've hated king ever since t7. Not because I can't beat him, but because his animations are lame, and hes super cheap. In my opinion of course. Armor king is 10000000000% cooler.
The people who hate on King, and I mean to the extreme, are new to the game. Tekken 8 is extremely accessible to people who are either new to fighting games or the Tekken series. And yes I know the creator of the video said exactly this but I was typing as the video was playing lol
I think the frustration with King is coming mostly from new players. Being a Tekken vet, I just know the match up. I treat him just like Zangief. Control the neutral and stay away from him. And I would take tracking throws over Heat anyday. Characters getting so many plus frames, then taking a 50/50 mix up is just overthe top.
@@hakimee_ that’s just not true. Good king players should be gauging the opponent on how much they are ducking. If you are facing someone who can’t break throws and isn’t ducking a lot there is no reason not to hit them with lots and lots of throws. Sticking to mids is just harming your mixup potential
lol oh i know full well folks hate my king, its basically like surviving through a warzone having ptsd, and i give them respect if they can take me down.
True, most King mains are awful and survive off gimmicks and knowledge checks. Even back in T7 it felt like Armor King had the way smarter and actually skilled players while King mains where usually a bunch of Neanderthal’s. At higher levels in this game most kings are way worse than Tekken 7 because of all the pluggers in 8. Its kinda pathethic but this is a Bamco issue and not a playbase issue. If you dont regulate ranked this is what happens. I do think King is WAY too strong in this game though with unbreakable counter throws and homing throws. Though overall its system issues more so than King issues, its just way more degenerate with him, but Drag is also pretty obnoxious in this regard, nevermind the rest of his tool kit
i dont hate king, mainly because its easier to say "i dont know the throw break" than "i dont know all of hwaorangs half a thousand comboes" but it does sting seeing king do counterhits better than steve.
Lol one time I got a salty DM saying "Everyone knows it takes no skill to play king" and I'm here like "I'd like to speak to this Mr. Everyone about memorizing 100 moves and 9 different grab chains" Keep up the good work, pal @@lilmajin
And if there is a soldier who comes with guns and grenades who shoots you from the other end of the map are u gonna say „people are mad cause a soldier uses soldier moves“? Its about the fact that if you are a newbie it is much easier to win with him than with any other character. I can totally understand why he frustrates newbies
Grabs…. Nah just random pokes kill more people than grabs. It’s the simple fact you have to sit down and watch the animation that adds fuel to the rage. A poke is less than a second where a grab can be almost 3 seconds long.
@@hakageryu-hz7jz Facts! Most people say “they hate king” ether picked up the game recently. Or, they don’t understand that king is fundamentals. He has every mechanic in the game but a projectile and gray health removal. If you keep getting killed by king, it’s not king it’s you. They need to go to the lab at that point.
Azucena is going to get her wr32 nerfed and then she's going str8 to being mid. That's her only crutch just so happens rn that shit is wayy overtuned so people hate her
I think this consensus is pretty interesting, because it's actually pretty difficult to throw someone doing flying moves, sweeps or other evasive maneuvers - beginners are very prone to do a lot of those. The reason King is the most disliked regarding throws (despite some other characters having launching throws) is how convoluted and strange the system has gotten. "You gotta look at the limbs!", well except for generic throws, then it's either 1 or 2. Oh, and Giant Swing looks like a 1+2 and it's a 1 break! ...Oh, and breaks on chain throw starters have nothing to do with the extended limbs. How does a beginner make sense of it all?
Part of the reason king is the most used character is also related to the wwe moves. Trust me on that. Ive encountered many people who started tekken and picked king for that reason. -UNMRN here
You "member" someone? Seriously? You're that lazy you couldn't properly type of REmember? Goddamn it's true what they say: The Internet just makes people dumber and lazier....
It's less sweats and more tier jockeys, reaching tekken god with yoshi's cheapest tricks is easy staying there with fundamentals is an ordeal. (And yes the occasional double harakiri still lands up there, people never think it's coming and always forget it has great tracking)
I hated King more as a new player in Tekken 7 because it seemed like all the Scrubby King players would just learn the grabs strings, 10 combo and crouching D/F 4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4 (catches breath) 4,4,4,4,4. I hated losing like that! I would yell at the screen "I KNOW KING HAS MORE MOVES THAN THAT!!!" 🤣 Nobody should be complaining about T8 King, the worst he can do is spam the armored kick.
I think its because hes a noob stomper, and becomes a wall once you hit early red ranks. He becomes one of the hardest knowledge checks in the game: 1) REACTING TO GRABS; and 2) COUNTERING POWER CRUSHES. But once you figured those out he becomes an easy opponent; otherwise you'll be at the mercy of his 50/50s.
I'm not relatively new to tekken 8 and because of you majin i mained king as my first character in tekken 8, now bryan. I feel that throws are actually fine and even as i moved on i agree 100% with your statement and i feel like it's a learning curve and once it clicks throws become a lot less of a problem. When i was new i got hit with almost every throw, but as i progressed i realized how inconsistent throws can be with every punish they have. In the end its a problem that only the players themselves have to deal with. Thanks for the fun video addressing this topic.
I think there's a fine line between catering to new audiences and destroying a game's depth/nuance for the sake of accessibility. Every fighting game has a mechanic that noobies will hate, it would be dumb to knee jerk react to those complaints.
As a new player to tekken in general, I’ve played a lot of games against King and not gonna lie I get washed since I’m not that good at breaking throws. I don’t hate the character, I just kinda accepted the fact that grabs are his strengths and focused up on breaking throws and working on spacing myself against him. I’m still learning and still getting bodied by him, but I’m sure with time I’ll get gud. Thanks for the vid Majin!
throws in general are a learning curve everyone will eventually have to overcome however the net code definetly needs a bit o tweaking to help with this issue
I feel like homing throws are just one of many tracking issues in this game, but together they discourage sidestepping as an option overall. People were really hoping that sidesteps are gonna be better this time, but now many of them say it's even worse than in T7 due to all the tracking and realignment.
Agreed, Whats the point of having a side step if everyone has a tracking/ homing move. Might as well turn the game into 2d fighting. This game plays like tekken vs street fighter. Mechanics wise. Yes it's the best selling tekken to date . But definitely not the best tekken gameplay.
The thing about throws in 2D games is, yes there is only one button to break throws, but they are unreactable. You need to take a guess on if the opponent is gonna throw you or not before they throw you, and if you guessed wrong you eat a full combo. Thats why throwloops in SF6 are so strong right now.
tbf a lot of King hate has been toned down lately. Not sure if it's cuz people are realizing other characters are worse or if people are just enjoying him more when picking him up and shutting up or some other reason lol
Definitely not toned down. Reddit babies make at least one thread if not multiple a day every day complaining about King. Once you get past Red ranks King actually requires you to think
@@kingkocoa4467 Tbf you can still abuse some stuff in purples with king but you’re right because past red and early purples you have more people knowing the match up since he’s a very popular character. I’m a king main at raijin so I see more and more people dodging certain moves lol also that’s probably why I see less of it now because I don’t go on Tekken Reddit lol
learning how to break throws is like learning your first turn when driving and it felt good, when you get used to it you'll know you made a mistake like you pressed a button etc.
Honestly i like king being a good grappler can you imagine how godlike he'd be if his strikes were on point too. I noticed with the new players that learning the fundamentals isnt the priority they just want to do combos. Casuals don't like archetypes
@@Carbinatedfarttif a man has an 8ft wingspan your not sidestepping that sorry to say, its actually less realistic if you did. On a side note I think bass from doa has a grab that only lands vs sidestepping what would your opinion be on that? (its a regular grab but if you sidestep it you escape the combo grab, he can still get a grounded sideways downfacing grab after though)
Hi, I'm a player that's brand new to Tekken 8. I started my fighting game journey back in Dragonball Fighter Z, then moved up to Guilty Gear Strive, followed by Street Fighter 6, and finally Tekken 8. Coming from those experiences, breaking throws in Tekken feels so unnecessarily difficult for a beginner player. I've been playing off and on since launch and have gotten into the higher end of orange rank, so I'm gradually taking in all of the 7 generations of Tekken knowledge and catching up to everyone else. At least that's how it feels. And I'm just now getting comfortable with the cast and their most basic capabilities. Their ranges. Their pokes. Their guard crush. Adding in 1 breaks, 2 breaks, 1+2 breaks, and even unbreakable grabs makes the mental stack for players new to the series is CRAZY. All that said, I feel that I've finally begun to find some answers that seem to work against King and no longer fear them. He's definitely a big fat knowledge check character, but that's a lot less obnoxious to deal with than someone like Victor. I do feel that players are required to have some sort of deeper desire to study, learn, and improve at the game in order to overcome the King hurdle. So in my heart he will be the perfect pick for crushing the hopes and dreams of new players who either don't have the drive, or haven't made it far enough in their Tekken journey to even comprehend how to play against the character.
@@Squidward-jv7go Now try to do it in a match, consistently and fluidly. It's an entirely different ballgame. Honestly, I learned how to do electrics consistently a long time, and i don't really play mishimas. I've managed to do bluespark shiwing wizard exactly once, and im still trying to recreate it.
King main here and Tekken 8 is the first time I’ve ever played online, ever. I just hit Mighty Ruler yesterday and my play style has changed from grabs to rushdown with mixups. People who complain about those don’t put in the effort to learn the breaks. I deliberately recorded grab chains etc in the lab so I can teach myself how to break out of my own grabs lol it’s helped a bunch. Also, if I ever meet you online Lil Majin, I’d be honored to get L’s from you. 🤣🤝🏽
For anyone wondering, the only 2D fighter with close to a similar throw system as Tekken belongs to NRS, where you have to break throws with 1 or 2, depending on if it's a throw forward or throw back.
Bruh everybody grabs with every character he should of brought that up. Victors probably grab the most not just King. SMH 😂 I disagree with a bunch of opinions he has on King 100%.
10:52 Jun can also launch with a throw, but she needs to be on the ground for a few frames. It's probably because I'm still new, but I really do like that stepping is buffed, and i think stepping throws would be a nice option to have. Especially since side stepping is something that requires skill.
@@levisamom5069 on her youtube under live she has all her tekken vods it's the video called tttttttekken!! was uploaded 3 weeks ago and the time stamp is 7:07:52
There is counter play to throws, but a lot of the things you mentioned as counterplay (like spacing them) are still hard for low level players, so it doesn't solve the problem for that audience he's referring to.
Exactly. I'm a "King only" player since T1, and the amount of trash player I encounter in ranked is very high. I'm currently struggling at Shinryu level, and players are definitely more toxic or pathetic than in the lower ranks. I rematch everyone, and yes, when I see someone starting to act a bit overzealous, overconfident or toxic, I'm giving them what might trigger them. Overall, my "talent" is to look like a trash player in term of skills. And I have to admit that even myself got punished hard by the same "trap". I doesn't matter how messy and mashy the player can be. If he can read someone and adapt, he is dangerous. And there is nothing better than beating a very cocky player who thinks he is 10 times better. Some are actually way better though. But these are like 1 out of 10 matches at best. I'm obviously not talking about high level Tekken. I'm just a casual who doesn't practice much. For example, I still don't know my kings bridge or RDC on T8, and I don't really give a shit.
Yeah, I've had that problem a few times and sometimes the match doesn't go my way, but when I do beat a trashy player like that, I'm grinning from ear to ear.
I played T6, T7 and now T8. I never hated King. He is too cool for that. In Tekken 8 he is definitely profiting from the new throw system. But in the Ranks around Fujin, I dont struggle against King at all since I learned to duck RKO on reaction. The only thing about King that annoys me is his heatsmash but that is because of the mechanic that is dumb and overpowered not because of King. He just has very damaging heatsmash with mixup follow up. Counterplay against grabs is actually satisfying. Backdash then EWGF punish with DVJ or duck and launch. Throws are not easy to use. Always using shining wizzard from running towards you is an easy break. A king would need to be able to execute a fast giant throw from running or from wavedash to mixup with shining wizzard. But most kings on my lvl dont use this, they didnt at Raijin in T7 neither. King is awesome and I cannot wait for Armor King who is my secondary main from T7❤. Also heat system needs to be tuned down by A LOT. It makes for a more dumb game as it is now. Dumb gameplay= getting boring fast.
The thing is, if you look at more forums and shit, almost EVERY character is bitched about. People complain about every character they get beat by. I've seen hate threads for Dragunov, Reina, Victor, and others. Bandai succeeded in bringing more players to Tekken. This is the consequence. A lower barrier to entry means more people sticking around, getting beat, and then complaining. It's just the nature of it. I always roll my eyes and move on.
Honestly I feel like the best way to get decent at breaking throws is, understand first how to break a throw. Then get thrown more and more until seeing that little purple flash makes your hands reactively break the throw. A good amount of Kings most damaging throw chains are stuck behind a 1 throw break.
He’s fine where he’s at right now. They wanna nerf grabs yet allow everyone to still 1+2 grab spam and mix you with launcher oki and call it okay because they do a combo
King is fine? Broken i heat with ridiculous dmg ..And 200 panic moves ..Having grabs where most is a visual mixup..King has always been stupid . T8 he's braindead ..
It’s weird that original video has no mention of King’s heat. Most low ranked King players aren’t capable of doing his high damage throws, so being unable to break throws isn’t the issue. A lot of new players “hate” King because his heat smash is the strongest in the game, and even when blocked leads to a powerful mixup.
I feel like people hate King in Tekken, but for the same reason people hate Zangief in street fighter And more generally, the reason people kind of dislike jujitsu and wrestling in MMA: How to counter that stuff isn't as intuitive as countering striking or projectiles. You can look at a punch and kind of see how you can avoid it. You can't look at a German suplex and get it immediately
"Breaking grabs is hard" People just don't want to get in the lab "Throw breaks being far more inaccessible in tekken compared to every other fighting game" I want that man to boot up Guilty Gear and try to break a Potemkin Buster throw right now. Boot up Street Fighter and break Zangief's throws right now
@@pixytorres7117 I mean, that's fair enough. But if you can't break throws you will lose in Tekken, over and over again. It's a fundamental skill that you need to be able to play the game at any competent level.
@@pixytorres7117if they have a life then they should complain about life then... If they wanna complain about tekken then they should get good in tekken... U see how ur logic works
@@levisamom5069 As a german, and therefore a professional in complaining, i second this. But im also way confused by the initial quote here. I am one of these players who are new to Tekken, since.. 3. How are throws more inaccessible compared to other fighting games? And why would labbing them not be enough? I saw Brian_F doing exactly this against some Dragunov grabs after he kept losing to him. Im used to command throws being not techable at all, so... huh?
The number of throw bugs in the game also make King a pain to deal with. Like I just learned yesterday there has been a bug where if you are holding a punch button as you get grabbed you are locked out of using that button to throw break. As someone who regularly holds 1 or 2 for consistent 1+2 moves I randomly wouldn't be allowed to throw break from a bug I had zero knowledge of and therefore zero counterplay for. Thus a hatred for throws in the game because they are a buggy mess, King just having the most. I had zero issues with Tekken 7 King, or any other throw based character because throws where not bugged while forcing you to interact with them.
@@addydiesel6627 "Press" not "Hold" if you are holding 1 to do a 1+4 and then they start a throw in T7 you can still throwbreak with a 1 by pressing the button. In T8 there was/is a bug you were can't release a button and then press it... you see the issue right?
I'd argue that grabs make the game very accessible. The stats don't lie right? King is the most played character in Tekken 8. The grab changes for Tekken 8 make grabs stronger than they ever been for every character. For example when teaching my friend how to play I told them to grab punish a blocked rage art if they don't know what to do on all characters. Learning breaks might not be new player friendly, but grabbing more is new player friendly.
I'm going through orange ranks now with my King (heading for Eliminator). I recently fought a few orange Kings and I kind of start to understand the hate (especially when you are a new player) because of the spamfest that they are doing. It's not only throws and heat smash - they abuse Ali Kicks and I mean really abuse. When they start to lose - Ali Kicks. Of course if you don't know how to block them it can be very frustrating. When you know what to do - easy win. Anyway, I think King is fun and I like to play him and play against him. Still waiting for Armor King though :)
I like how tekken 8 is running into grab problems, and so did sf6 with ken specifically having an insane throw loop. Im really interested in what happened since the 90's that throws/grabs are hated so much. I know SF2 fanbase hated grabs calling them unfair but its gotten worse. Im super new to the FGC so I dont know anything down to the numbers, but I've seen a TON of people hating on throws/grabs lately because its "too hard to break".
"I'm referring to the other 99% of players who aren't super competitive" this statement just threw EVERYTHING this dude has to say out the window. You have to be a idiot to think that a FIGHTING GAME, has a 99% of players who aren't super competitive. Like what? Lol
He's talking about tournament players when he said "competitive." The vast majority of the people who play fighting games are casuals. Think if 99% of well over 2 million players were tournament players....there wouldn't be a venue big enough lol.
What he meant was professional players. People like Knee, JDCR and Majin who show up at tournaments for cash prizes. Obviously other players are competitive and want to win but the 99% are amateurs, in the same way amateur tennis players don't show up at professional tournaments.
Depends on what he's referring to when he says "Super competitive". From the sound of it, it seems that he's referring to people who actually go to offline events and participate in tournaments (AKA Tournament players) and if that's who he's referring to, then he's probably correct in saying that they make-up 1% of the 2 million+ units the game has sold. So 20,000 tournament players worldwide sounds about right, especially since evo had about 1600 Tekken players last year. I think you're thinking of "Super competitive" as just meaning "players who are in-tune with the Meta, keep up with patch notes, and Play often" That number would be far bigger than "Tournament players" who I think he was referring to, so I see where you're coming from.
There are definitely levels to this. I remember that SonicFox said in one of his tier list videos that most fighting game players legit don't even know how to play the game because they don't lab enough. He said 95% of players arent good and I agree
I sucked at the MU. I asked a friend who plays king to beat my ass but tell me which throw break I needed after each throw. After about 30 games I recognize the throw setups and started recognizing throw startups. After 50 games I don't lose to lower level king players anymore.
To me people want to get into a fighting game but don’t want to put the work in. If you want to get good you better be committed to learning from mistakes and learn to adapt. Fighting Games are one the hardest genres in gaming, no one is going to hold your hand. Expect to lose wayyy more than you win at the beginning and if you keep at it you’ll see progress.
I definitely like the guy's video, but I don't know if his suggestion for fixing King really needs to be implemented. I think one of the biggest things that helps King along in Tekken 8, is the tracking throws. King does not have the same level of strings and versatility as Oh, they're characters, which is at King's benefit in some ways given the new system.
I don't think grabs are overpowered, they are definitly strong, but in older tekken games they were much harder to break. I'm also fine with the fact that they can punish powercrush moves. We will see with the new patch what are they up to. But i still see many good players breaking like 70% of the throws to not exaggerate, for now in tournaments i see many more azucenas and dragunovs rather than kings.
Tekken on the GBA was my first tekken and I rocked with King back then before I knew his grabs. Lil Majin made me a huge fan of King after the Evo tournament he went off in. I haven’t picked up Tekken 8 yet but I definitely would just to get better at fighting games as I am a fan of Tekken I just suck 😂😂
Kuma is my main for as long as I can remember… King has been a favorite for just as long… Seeing these characters, Go the distance(tournament play) gets me hype…as well as makes me strive to get better with these characters… just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean they’re not good!
Even if harada uses boogards suggestions and fixes some of the issues with grabs, people will still complain and this will be evidence that majority of those complaining and hating on king are new players that didn't even touch T7 a single day. Thats always the thing about fighting games, once a character is supposedly broken, new players will rage and once an old character is nerfed (hworang) old players will rage it's one of the circles of life in fighting games.
As a king main I do get messaged a lot by both nutty haters with there toxic views and sound people asking for more matches so they can learn how to fight king better
King has to work so hard to get a CHANCE at good damage with a throw, other characters who succeed at their gameplans get GURENTEED big damage, and in most cases more damage than a throw. Not to mention ALL characters have throws, some of them with launchers have grabs that are arguably better than King's with the cost of being less versatile or more predictable. So I hate to break it to King haters, if you're free to King, you're free to the game.
being that i came to this game as a 24 year old who played smash bros all my life i don't feel like learning the concept of breaking throws is something that's unaccessible it just comes down to having an outcome happen and thinking about how to make better decisions from the position. king really isn't op people just hate that he can take so much damage with out juggling you to oblivion
but also one thing, i didn't think about , is that there are different throw breaks you have to learn....... but even in that case you have the ability to duck or throw out (and most people have em) a low frame attack to interrupt with
but last but not least ... when have fighting games within the class of tekken been easy???? they've always had very complex inputs and move sets but the people that really give af just learn it , but because he have streamers that belong in 1st dan complaining on stream we gotta nerf him
Honestly as a newcomer electric and KBD wasn't too hard to learn, I'm not super consistent yet but I'm quickly improving so I don't see an issue with it tbh. It's nice to have depth in skills like that. Throw breaking on the other hand, even with practice I only break throws purely on accident, I don't even have a starting point, I'm not just bad at it, I just don't seem to get it to work. Very frustrating when you get vs a King while the only thing he needs to do is just throw.
It's about reaction time. I break most grabs, but not all. I've noticed the y+b and x+a are the easy grabs to break. Everyone forgets there is a 3 grab button. (X+Y + Diagonal forward) I grabbed someone a whole round just to see if they would break. He couldn't because yall are used to breaking grabs with y+b or x+a that yall forget or dont know about the 3rd grab. I use grabs to throw off my opponent, so when they think im going to grab again, I'll end up juggling them for trying to anticipate me, lol. With king its a guessing game when he does the long grab. You cancel by trying to guess the button before they do. Heat is decent for new players. Otherwise, they would just get folded from veteran players who never needed it.
@@rastafari2k3 yep. We have ling cancelling aop into block into BT into AOP again, but king being able to defend himself against rage arts during his stance is apparently too far!
The reason why I think King has an unfair advantage over the entire cast is that not all his throws are broken the same way, and since throws in general are not able to be sidestepped, that means that you not only have to guess correctly for which throw he does in order to break it, but you have to guess correctly on reaction which is super difficult and frustrating for the 95% of players. Just making throws sidesteppable again would fix that imo. It'd be an easy method of fixing it (since these devs seem to like going easy/lazy routes to fix character balance issues lately lol) and it would make the most sense I think.
I know people hate throws in tekken 8 but there are literally different button inputes to break out of them,all you got to do is learn it and your good
People be hating on King for his grabs when you can actually escape like 95% of them by hitting the right button. You get snatched by any other grappler in any other FG like Zangief, R.Mika, Laura, Potemkin, Tager, Mika (UNI2), Waldstein, Daimon, Clark, King Dinosaur/Tizoc, Haggar, Beowulf etc and it's LIGHTS OUT because you can't just break their command grabs.
Thanks for checking out my video :). Yeah I meant to say Grabs are only guaranteed to punish power crush and made the correction in the comments.
Keep whining scrub, go back to smash or some other game where you can just mash buttons to win. "wah...wah I suck."
What are your thoughts on King’s heat? Your video seemed more like an analysis on Tekken 8 throws in general, not a specific look at King. At low ranks, his heat is more of an issue than people not knowing how to throw break. Almost 70 damage at the press of a button, and jaguar sprint leads to an unbreakable throw mixup, which you didn’t cover in your video at all.
6:11 ”numbers don’t lie and most people hate this character”
Few seconds later:
”King is the most used character” 😂😂😂
That means that King is loved not hated
7:07 You are a salty person Boogard, so you attract negative people to your comments so naturally you’ll hear about other salty players hating on King, but that’s really not the majority’s opinion.
@@eSportsE-Manits not a true mixup. Rko is on 23 frames reactable
They hated him for bringing joy to the children...
And because they couldn't break grabs. But, it's mostly the wanting to rob kids of joy part.
Also serious comment the solution to King's throw's and breaking correctly is knowing the intention behind the throw. Just like ANY other move in Tekken knowing the reason why the opponent would use it in a specific situation is half the read. Is the floor breakable, where's the wall, if they punished with a grab instead of a combo does it have a tech trap that's worth giving up that damage? Informed reads forces King to take less optimal routes and rewards from opening you up.
@@Furionic696How dare you want people to understand the fundamentals of matchups? what is wrong with you!?
The children are brought joy by watching King spin and throw people.
I think they children should keep getting what they want.
@@Furionic696 thats not the only issue players are having, its his heat being able to trigger his running stance, during heat its super armor and casuals up to blue ranks struggle with the 50/50 potential it has.
but against any veteran or pro these things are much more telegraphed to their professional eyes.
Come on , throws are homing, and counter throws exist. So, by default, his throws way more dangerous than they've ever been. That isn't the main game plan. It makes the match up linear after a while.
Man, to be a Main King nowadays is to receive constant hate, but that doesn't matter when you remember that every victory and every butt we kick is for the happiness of the children.
Since the core issue about grabs is that new players don't know much about them, a great solution would be to add a tutorial specifically about grabs as well as a mini game where King continuously grabs you and you need to tech. With how great T8's learning tools already are, a new one about grabs alone would solve the issue.
Nah let them squirm
Ypu can set him up in practice mode to do that and itll even tell you which button to press for the break.
@@bogarman95that's the assumption on how to do that. even for me it tells you how to break it but don't tell you about looking out for a limb and for king that's not the case
My ass
just make grabs not homing and not a counterhit tool
The worst part about the content creators is that some of the people complaining about King have probably never even played Tekken 8 LOL
*a fighting game
King has always been braindead in every game, Even in Street Fighter X Tekken.
@@ultimatelifeform882Brain dead your lost. Such a stupid comment
@@ultimatelifeform882naw bruh… but I bet you think juggling from wall to wall takes big brain power huh smdh
@@ultimatelifeform882 You're just wrong but okay buddy!
Plain and simple, the hate for King is typical hate for grapplers in general.
Lmao, that's facts. People who grapple even in real life are often hated. Mma shows this. Most people want a stand-up fight only the people deep in the community tend to appreciate grabs
@@mattclark6465 True.
Kings used to beat the breaks off me so I started using King. Now he's my secondary main and since, I can typically beat them with other characters when I encounter Kings in ranked. I think the best way to learn how to beat a character is to play that character.
He's been my secondary since TTT, and at some points even became my actual main.
@@hakageryu-hz7jz He's easy to hate but easier to love lol
@Marquis_Foxglove I've hated king ever since t7. Not because I can't beat him, but because his animations are lame, and hes super cheap. In my opinion of course. Armor king is 10000000000% cooler.
@@biivii100 Ah dude completely agree that A.K is best boy
The people who hate on King, and I mean to the extreme, are new to the game. Tekken 8 is extremely accessible to people who are either new to fighting games or the Tekken series. And yes I know the creator of the video said exactly this but I was typing as the video was playing lol
Exactly!
I hate king to the extreme. And ive been playing since Tekken 2
@@straightlead8why?
@@straightlead8 cry me a river bruh
@@straightlead8 boohoo 😭
I think the frustration with King is coming mostly from new players. Being a Tekken vet, I just know the match up. I treat him just like Zangief. Control the neutral and stay away from him. And I would take tracking throws over Heat anyday. Characters getting so many plus frames, then taking a 50/50 mix up is just overthe top.
youre staying away from King, huh, Mr. "Vet"? Cool story.
@@VDViktor thank you for self reporting as trash
@@VDViktoroof the self report is crazy
@@VDViktor"Tell me you don't know how to deal with King without telling me you don't know how to deal with King."
@@VDViktor bro thought he was onto something
As a King Main Myself, I spend more time Mixing High and Low Pokes more than I even Grab in Matches.........
Start grabbing more
Only noob King players spam grabs because they know if they were to meet another beginner player. They can have fun torturing them with grabs
Exactly my thoughts. I often forget about grabs for extended periods of times. Especially as I move up the ranks. King also has ass lows
@@hakimee_ that’s just not true. Good king players should be gauging the opponent on how much they are ducking. If you are facing someone who can’t break throws and isn’t ducking a lot there is no reason not to hit them with lots and lots of throws. Sticking to mids is just harming your mixup potential
Blabla top king players spam grabs hard af, lame excuses. King is overtuned af and not fun to fight with.
lol oh i know full well folks hate my king, its basically like surviving through a warzone having ptsd, and i give them respect if they can take me down.
99% of my matches vs king if they start to grab i grab back and 99% of time they never break lol
When they can’t break it’s cause players don’t grab. Players SHOULD be grabbing more often and learn how to break
True, most King mains are awful and survive off gimmicks and knowledge checks. Even back in T7 it felt like Armor King had the way smarter and actually skilled players while King mains where usually a bunch of Neanderthal’s. At higher levels in this game most kings are way worse than Tekken 7 because of all the pluggers in 8. Its kinda pathethic but this is a Bamco issue and not a playbase issue. If you dont regulate ranked this is what happens. I do think King is WAY too strong in this game though with unbreakable counter throws and homing throws. Though overall its system issues more so than King issues, its just way more degenerate with him, but Drag is also pretty obnoxious in this regard, nevermind the rest of his tool kit
i dont hate king, mainly because its easier to say "i dont know the throw break" than "i dont know all of hwaorangs half a thousand comboes" but it does sting seeing king do counterhits better than steve.
Tbh i love tekken 8 king ,my fav king of all time
wow i wonder why
@@VDViktor well considering tekken 8 King is the best state King has ever been in, what King player wouldn't like tekken 8 King?
@VDViktor, you sound like a victor player
I love T8 King too
💀💀💀 went from smiling at his greatest video game moment to frowning at comments hating on his character
I dont understand why people are mad at a WRESTLER doing WRESTLING MOVES
They don't like wrestlers in fighting games especially not good ones. People want to win easily against characters with little effort.
Lol one time I got a salty DM saying "Everyone knows it takes no skill to play king" and I'm here like "I'd like to speak to this Mr. Everyone about memorizing 100 moves and 9 different grab chains" Keep up the good work, pal @@lilmajin
Coz a sport that isn't real shouldn't hurt that much... I'm guessing is their logic 😂
And if there is a soldier who comes with guns and grenades who shoots you from the other end of the map are u gonna say „people are mad cause a soldier uses soldier moves“? Its about the fact that if you are a newbie it is much easier to win with him than with any other character. I can totally understand why he frustrates newbies
My brother in christ is tekken an fps???@@grizzeli9721
Grabs…. Nah just random pokes kill more people than grabs. It’s the simple fact you have to sit down and watch the animation that adds fuel to the rage. A poke is less than a second where a grab can be almost 3 seconds long.
Those "I hate King" need to play more decent Dragunov players, or super cancerous Alisas and Azucenas.
@@hakageryu-hz7jz Facts! Most people say “they hate king” ether picked up the game recently. Or, they don’t understand that king is fundamentals. He has every mechanic in the game but a projectile and gray health removal. If you keep getting killed by king, it’s not king it’s you. They need to go to the lab at that point.
King is also the most liked too. My main is probably the most hated (Azucena) 😂
Azucena is going to get her wr32 nerfed and then she's going str8 to being mid. That's her only crutch just so happens rn that shit is wayy overtuned so people hate her
@carloshernandez3177 not really a nerf it's just you can sidestep now so she's still good
King is a good dude, though. He's doing all of this for the kids. That's selfless!
And the soldiers that cheered for him in the story lol
I think this consensus is pretty interesting, because it's actually pretty difficult to throw someone doing flying moves, sweeps or other evasive maneuvers - beginners are very prone to do a lot of those.
The reason King is the most disliked regarding throws (despite some other characters having launching throws) is how convoluted and strange the system has gotten. "You gotta look at the limbs!", well except for generic throws, then it's either 1 or 2. Oh, and Giant Swing looks like a 1+2 and it's a 1 break! ...Oh, and breaks on chain throw starters have nothing to do with the extended limbs. How does a beginner make sense of it all?
Part of the reason king is the most used character is also related to the wwe moves. Trust me on that. Ive encountered many people who started tekken and picked king for that reason.
-UNMRN here
Наверное только американцы в курсе WWE, в других странах его не смотрят, как и NFL и другие вещи
That's why I picked him up in the first place way back in t3
King is just in his Tribal Chief arc
3:47 majin shaking his head at those cringy i hate kings
Wonderful
I felt that!
Lmao LilyPichu
I member someone saying the casual tekken player would be considered sweats in other games haha. Welcome to Tekken new folks 😂🍻
You "member" someone? Seriously? You're that lazy you couldn't properly type of REmember? Goddamn it's true what they say: The Internet just makes people dumber and lazier....
It's less sweats and more tier jockeys, reaching tekken god with yoshi's cheapest tricks is easy staying there with fundamentals is an ordeal.
(And yes the occasional double harakiri still lands up there, people never think it's coming and always forget it has great tracking)
I hated King more as a new player in Tekken 7 because it seemed like all the Scrubby King players would just learn the grabs strings, 10 combo and crouching D/F 4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4 (catches breath) 4,4,4,4,4.
I hated losing like that! I would yell at the screen "I KNOW KING HAS MORE MOVES THAN THAT!!!" 🤣 Nobody should be complaining about T8 King, the worst he can do is spam the armored kick.
I think its because hes a noob stomper, and becomes a wall once you hit early red ranks. He becomes one of the hardest knowledge checks in the game: 1) REACTING TO GRABS; and 2) COUNTERING POWER CRUSHES. But once you figured those out he becomes an easy opponent; otherwise you'll be at the mercy of his 50/50s.
I'm not relatively new to tekken 8 and because of you majin i mained king as my first character in tekken 8, now bryan. I feel that throws are actually fine and even as i moved on i agree 100% with your statement and i feel like it's a learning curve and once it clicks throws become a lot less of a problem. When i was new i got hit with almost every throw, but as i progressed i realized how inconsistent throws can be with every punish they have. In the end its a problem that only the players themselves have to deal with. Thanks for the fun video addressing this topic.
I think there's a fine line between catering to new audiences and destroying a game's depth/nuance for the sake of accessibility.
Every fighting game has a mechanic that noobies will hate, it would be dumb to knee jerk react to those complaints.
As a new player to tekken in general, I’ve played a lot of games against King and not gonna lie I get washed since I’m not that good at breaking throws. I don’t hate the character, I just kinda accepted the fact that grabs are his strengths and focused up on breaking throws and working on spacing myself against him. I’m still learning and still getting bodied by him, but I’m sure with time I’ll get gud. Thanks for the vid Majin!
Absolute Chad mentality. The mindset of a winner. Fuck yea dude
throws in general are a learning curve everyone will eventually have to overcome however the net code definetly needs a bit o tweaking to help with this issue
I feel like homing throws are just one of many tracking issues in this game, but together they discourage sidestepping as an option overall. People were really hoping that sidesteps are gonna be better this time, but now many of them say it's even worse than in T7 due to all the tracking and realignment.
Agreed, Whats the point of having a side step if everyone has a tracking/ homing move. Might as well turn the game into 2d fighting. This game plays like tekken vs street fighter. Mechanics wise. Yes it's the best selling tekken to date . But definitely not the best tekken gameplay.
@@bobbyonasisEvery character had tracking and homing moves before as well. The problem is that a lot of stuff now tracks that in theory shouldn't.
The thing about throws in 2D games is, yes there is only one button to break throws, but they are unreactable. You need to take a guess on if the opponent is gonna throw you or not before they throw you, and if you guessed wrong you eat a full combo. Thats why throwloops in SF6 are so strong right now.
tbf a lot of King hate has been toned down lately. Not sure if it's cuz people are realizing other characters are worse or if people are just enjoying him more when picking him up and shutting up or some other reason lol
Definitely not toned down. Reddit babies make at least one thread if not multiple a day every day complaining about King. Once you get past Red ranks King actually requires you to think
@@kingkocoa4467 Tbf you can still abuse some stuff in purples with king but you’re right because past red and early purples you have more people knowing the match up since he’s a very popular character. I’m a king main at raijin so I see more and more people dodging certain moves lol also that’s probably why I see less of it now because I don’t go on Tekken Reddit lol
learning how to break throws is like learning your first turn when driving and it felt good, when you get used to it you'll know you made a mistake like you pressed a button etc.
Honestly, as a Lars player, Ive been using throws more often because they track
Yes as it benefits all characters, not just King.
@@lilmajin its still stupid and never should've implemented into the game.
What I love about King's punishment, that he can do a crouch grab as a punish for lows like Dragunov's d2
Honestly i like king being a good grappler can you imagine how godlike he'd be if his strikes were on point too.
I noticed with the new players that learning the fundamentals isnt the priority they just want to do combos.
Casuals don't like archetypes
Being a good grappler and throws tracking you are two different bro
“can you imagine how godlike he’d be if his strikes were on point too” insert Armor King here
@@Carbinatedfarttif a man has an 8ft wingspan your not sidestepping that sorry to say, its actually less realistic if you did.
On a side note I think bass from doa has a grab that only lands vs sidestepping what would your opinion be on that? (its a regular grab but if you sidestep it you escape the combo grab, he can still get a grounded sideways downfacing grab after though)
Hi, I'm a player that's brand new to Tekken 8. I started my fighting game journey back in Dragonball Fighter Z, then moved up to Guilty Gear Strive, followed by Street Fighter 6, and finally Tekken 8. Coming from those experiences, breaking throws in Tekken feels so unnecessarily difficult for a beginner player. I've been playing off and on since launch and have gotten into the higher end of orange rank, so I'm gradually taking in all of the 7 generations of Tekken knowledge and catching up to everyone else. At least that's how it feels. And I'm just now getting comfortable with the cast and their most basic capabilities. Their ranges. Their pokes. Their guard crush. Adding in 1 breaks, 2 breaks, 1+2 breaks, and even unbreakable grabs makes the mental stack for players new to the series is CRAZY.
All that said, I feel that I've finally begun to find some answers that seem to work against King and no longer fear them. He's definitely a big fat knowledge check character, but that's a lot less obnoxious to deal with than someone like Victor.
I do feel that players are required to have some sort of deeper desire to study, learn, and improve at the game in order to overcome the King hurdle. So in my heart he will be the perfect pick for crushing the hopes and dreams of new players who either don't have the drive, or haven't made it far enough in their Tekken journey to even comprehend how to play against the character.
People talk shit till they realize we doing 7 directions to input a grab lmao
It really ain’t that hard bro, shit takes like 2 minutes to learn
@@Squidward-jv7go yeah so is breaking it lol
@@Squidward-jv7go Now try to do it in a match, consistently and fluidly. It's an entirely different ballgame.
Honestly, I learned how to do electrics consistently a long time, and i don't really play mishimas. I've managed to do bluespark shiwing wizard exactly once, and im still trying to recreate it.
We input forward and we die tbh
Those 7 directions are done while your opponent can't hit you. Maybe consider that very important fact, when taking about ease of input.
King main here and Tekken 8 is the first time I’ve ever played online, ever.
I just hit Mighty Ruler yesterday and my play style has changed from grabs to rushdown with mixups. People who complain about those don’t put in the effort to learn the breaks.
I deliberately recorded grab chains etc in the lab so I can teach myself how to break out of my own grabs lol it’s helped a bunch.
Also, if I ever meet you online Lil Majin, I’d be honored to get L’s from you. 🤣🤝🏽
Majin can you ever do a King play through with classic Tekken games like 3 , Dark resurrection ect.
Yes I plan on it
@@lilmajin Awsome can’t wait👍
8:00 If you get caught up in Kings giant swing, just tech roll by pressing 1 (square) right before you hit the ground to reduce damage
The first person to get me into tekken was a king player so ive always seen him as an icon to me.
For anyone wondering, the only 2D fighter with close to a similar throw system as Tekken belongs to NRS, where you have to break throws with 1 or 2, depending on if it's a throw forward or throw back.
Breaking throws is important but as a king player who uses throws to scare you into ducking for a hopkick, i dare you to focus on just throws lmaooo.
I think your explanation for why Kings throws are not OP is thoughtful and well reasoned.
"The first few seconds looked pretty good" : First few seconds show himself winning
Everyone please just practice & and be patient with yourself. Every game will have a great character. Love 🙏🏾
Bruh everybody grabs with every character he should of brought that up. Victors probably grab the most not just King. SMH 😂 I disagree with a bunch of opinions he has on King 100%.
10:52 Jun can also launch with a throw, but she needs to be on the ground for a few frames. It's probably because I'm still new, but I really do like that stepping is buffed, and i think stepping throws would be a nice option to have. Especially since side stepping is something that requires skill.
Lillypichu is actually nuts she has so much potential. And whats hilarious is when she learned Kings lore she felt bad about hating on king lol.
When is that.. if there's a vod I wanna see that
@@levisamom5069 on her youtube under live she has all her tekken vods it's the video called tttttttekken!! was uploaded 3 weeks ago and the time stamp is 7:07:52
There is counter play to throws, but a lot of the things you mentioned as counterplay (like spacing them) are still hard for low level players, so it doesn't solve the problem for that audience he's referring to.
The 99% of online players that 1 and done and t-bag and act toxic….keep grabbing em till they learn some respect
Relax 😂😂
Exactly.
I'm a "King only" player since T1, and the amount of trash player I encounter in ranked is very high.
I'm currently struggling at Shinryu level, and players are definitely more toxic or pathetic than in the lower ranks.
I rematch everyone, and yes, when I see someone starting to act a bit overzealous, overconfident or toxic, I'm giving them what might trigger them.
Overall, my "talent" is to look like a trash player in term of skills.
And I have to admit that even myself got punished hard by the same "trap".
I doesn't matter how messy and mashy the player can be. If he can read someone and adapt, he is dangerous.
And there is nothing better than beating a very cocky player who thinks he is 10 times better.
Some are actually way better though. But these are like 1 out of 10 matches at best.
I'm obviously not talking about high level Tekken.
I'm just a casual who doesn't practice much.
For example, I still don't know my kings bridge or RDC on T8, and I don't really give a shit.
Yeah, I've had that problem a few times and sometimes the match doesn't go my way, but when I do beat a trashy player like that, I'm grinning from ear to ear.
I played T6, T7 and now T8. I never hated King. He is too cool for that.
In Tekken 8 he is definitely profiting from the new throw system. But in the Ranks around Fujin, I dont struggle against King at all since I learned to duck RKO on reaction.
The only thing about King that annoys me is his heatsmash but that is because of the mechanic that is dumb and overpowered not because of King. He just has very damaging heatsmash with mixup follow up.
Counterplay against grabs is actually satisfying. Backdash then EWGF punish with DVJ or duck and launch. Throws are not easy to use. Always using shining wizzard from running towards you is an easy break. A king would need to be able to execute a fast giant throw from running or from wavedash to mixup with shining wizzard. But most kings on my lvl dont use this, they didnt at Raijin in T7 neither.
King is awesome and I cannot wait for Armor King who is my secondary main from T7❤.
Also heat system needs to be tuned down by A LOT. It makes for a more dumb game as it is now. Dumb gameplay= getting boring fast.
if we’re being serious the hate for king should be directed towards dragonov
I think since most of the players are not even average, it makes sense that king is hated. I know how to beat king and it’s still unenjoyable
The thing is, if you look at more forums and shit, almost EVERY character is bitched about. People complain about every character they get beat by. I've seen hate threads for Dragunov, Reina, Victor, and others. Bandai succeeded in bringing more players to Tekken. This is the consequence. A lower barrier to entry means more people sticking around, getting beat, and then complaining. It's just the nature of it. I always roll my eyes and move on.
Honestly I feel like the best way to get decent at breaking throws is, understand first how to break a throw. Then get thrown more and more until seeing that little purple flash makes your hands reactively break the throw. A good amount of Kings most damaging throw chains are stuck behind a 1 throw break.
King is sick
I can handle King...its Dragunov fukin Grabs that I can't seem to break
Always break 1+2 at the wall to avoid being launched by blizzard throw
Well I Love King Since Tekken 1 ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
He’s fine where he’s at right now. They wanna nerf grabs yet allow everyone to still 1+2 grab spam and mix you with launcher oki and call it okay because they do a combo
King is fine? Broken i heat with ridiculous dmg ..And 200 panic moves ..Having grabs where most is a visual mixup..King has always been stupid . T8 he's braindead ..
@@azteckjumbie9344 he’s got the same tools everyone else has, it’s just how they are used.
It’s weird that original video has no mention of King’s heat. Most low ranked King players aren’t capable of doing his high damage throws, so being unable to break throws isn’t the issue. A lot of new players “hate” King because his heat smash is the strongest in the game, and even when blocked leads to a powerful mixup.
It's 60 percent, dont let him be in rage 😂. 2 moves and your done . That's a little OP . Just a smidge 😂.
I feel like people hate King in Tekken, but for the same reason people hate Zangief in street fighter And more generally, the reason people kind of dislike jujitsu and wrestling in MMA: How to counter that stuff isn't as intuitive as countering striking or projectiles. You can look at a punch and kind of see how you can avoid it. You can't look at a German suplex and get it immediately
"Breaking grabs is hard"
People just don't want to get in the lab
"Throw breaks being far more inaccessible in tekken compared to every other fighting game"
I want that man to boot up Guilty Gear and try to break a Potemkin Buster throw right now. Boot up Street Fighter and break Zangief's throws right now
Yes they don't want to get in the lab because they have a life lol. Not everyone is gonna lab 10+ characters.
@@pixytorres7117Oh look, this tired argument. "They have a life". Yes, no one who has a job can ever spend time practicing.
@@pixytorres7117 I mean, that's fair enough. But if you can't break throws you will lose in Tekken, over and over again. It's a fundamental skill that you need to be able to play the game at any competent level.
@@pixytorres7117if they have a life then they should complain about life then... If they wanna complain about tekken then they should get good in tekken... U see how ur logic works
@@levisamom5069 As a german, and therefore a professional in complaining, i second this.
But im also way confused by the initial quote here. I am one of these players who are new to Tekken, since.. 3. How are throws more inaccessible compared to other fighting games? And why would labbing them not be enough? I saw Brian_F doing exactly this against some Dragunov grabs after he kept losing to him.
Im used to command throws being not techable at all, so... huh?
The number of throw bugs in the game also make King a pain to deal with. Like I just learned yesterday there has been a bug where if you are holding a punch button as you get grabbed you are locked out of using that button to throw break. As someone who regularly holds 1 or 2 for consistent 1+2 moves I randomly wouldn't be allowed to throw break from a bug I had zero knowledge of and therefore zero counterplay for.
Thus a hatred for throws in the game because they are a buggy mess, King just having the most.
I had zero issues with Tekken 7 King, or any other throw based character because throws where not bugged while forcing you to interact with them.
One of the most fundamental rule in Tekken : you must never press the throw break before the throw happens
@@addydiesel6627 "Press" not "Hold" if you are holding 1 to do a 1+4 and then they start a throw in T7 you can still throwbreak with a 1 by pressing the button. In T8 there was/is a bug you were can't release a button and then press it...
you see the issue right?
I'd argue that grabs make the game very accessible. The stats don't lie right? King is the most played character in Tekken 8. The grab changes for Tekken 8 make grabs stronger than they ever been for every character. For example when teaching my friend how to play I told them to grab punish a blocked rage art if they don't know what to do on all characters. Learning breaks might not be new player friendly, but grabbing more is new player friendly.
I'm going through orange ranks now with my King (heading for Eliminator). I recently fought a few orange Kings and I kind of start to understand the hate (especially when you are a new player) because of the spamfest that they are doing. It's not only throws and heat smash - they abuse Ali Kicks and I mean really abuse. When they start to lose - Ali Kicks. Of course if you don't know how to block them it can be very frustrating. When you know what to do - easy win. Anyway, I think King is fun and I like to play him and play against him. Still waiting for Armor King though :)
The reason i started this game is king. i love this character. if they nerf i quit.
I like how tekken 8 is running into grab problems, and so did sf6 with ken specifically having an insane throw loop. Im really interested in what happened since the 90's that throws/grabs are hated so much. I know SF2 fanbase hated grabs calling them unfair but its gotten worse. Im super new to the FGC so I dont know anything down to the numbers, but I've seen a TON of people hating on throws/grabs lately because its "too hard to break".
Even when I get my head bashed in by King I respect it, such a dope character. Dragunov and Azucena are far more annoying for me
I dread seeing Hwoarang so much more than King.
Think throw breaks should be more rewarding than just returning to neutral
"I'm referring to the other 99% of players who aren't super competitive" this statement just threw EVERYTHING this dude has to say out the window. You have to be a idiot to think that a FIGHTING GAME, has a 99% of players who aren't super competitive. Like what? Lol
He's talking about tournament players when he said "competitive." The vast majority of the people who play fighting games are casuals. Think if 99% of well over 2 million players were tournament players....there wouldn't be a venue big enough lol.
What he meant was professional players. People like Knee, JDCR and Majin who show up at tournaments for cash prizes. Obviously other players are competitive and want to win but the 99% are amateurs, in the same way amateur tennis players don't show up at professional tournaments.
Depends on what he's referring to when he says "Super competitive". From the sound of it, it seems that he's referring to people who actually go to offline events and participate in tournaments (AKA Tournament players) and if that's who he's referring to, then he's probably correct in saying that they make-up 1% of the 2 million+ units the game has sold. So 20,000 tournament players worldwide sounds about right, especially since evo had about 1600 Tekken players last year.
I think you're thinking of "Super competitive" as just meaning "players who are in-tune with the Meta, keep up with patch notes, and Play often" That number would be far bigger than "Tournament players" who I think he was referring to, so I see where you're coming from.
There are definitely levels to this. I remember that SonicFox said in one of his tier list videos that most fighting game players legit don't even know how to play the game because they don't lab enough. He said 95% of players arent good and I agree
Been a King player since I first picked up Tekken. I only grab with set ups, very rarely will I spam grab etc.
I sucked at the MU. I asked a friend who plays king to beat my ass but tell me which throw break I needed after each throw. After about 30 games I recognize the throw setups and started recognizing throw startups.
After 50 games I don't lose to lower level king players anymore.
To me people want to get into a fighting game but don’t want to put the work in. If you want to get good you better be committed to learning from mistakes and learn to adapt. Fighting Games are one the hardest genres in gaming, no one is going to hold your hand. Expect to lose wayyy more than you win at the beginning and if you keep at it you’ll see progress.
I love tracking throws because it makes the game 2D, just like how I like it.
I definitely like the guy's video, but I don't know if his suggestion for fixing King really needs to be implemented. I think one of the biggest things that helps King along in Tekken 8, is the tracking throws. King does not have the same level of strings and versatility as Oh, they're characters, which is at King's benefit in some ways given the new system.
I don't think grabs are overpowered, they are definitly strong, but in older tekken games they were much harder to break. I'm also fine with the fact that they can punish powercrush moves.
We will see with the new patch what are they up to. But i still see many good players breaking like 70% of the throws to not exaggerate, for now in tournaments i see many more azucenas and dragunovs rather than kings.
Tekken on the GBA was my first tekken and I rocked with King back then before I knew his grabs. Lil Majin made me a huge fan of King after the Evo tournament he went off in. I haven’t picked up Tekken 8 yet but I definitely would just to get better at fighting games as I am a fan of Tekken I just suck 😂😂
Im glad to know I aint the only person who said thank you at the same time
Kuma is my main for as long as I can remember… King has been a favorite for just as long… Seeing these characters, Go the distance(tournament play) gets me hype…as well as makes me strive to get better with these characters… just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean they’re not good!
Just remove grab tracking and increase grab break window.
And tone down everyone's power crush as a bonus lol
Majin's face at 5:30 killed me
The timing. I'm literally practicing King combos right now wtf lol
Even if harada uses boogards suggestions and fixes some of the issues with grabs, people will still complain and this will be evidence that majority of those complaining and hating on king are new players that didn't even touch T7 a single day. Thats always the thing about fighting games, once a character is supposedly broken, new players will rage and once an old character is nerfed (hworang) old players will rage it's one of the circles of life in fighting games.
As a king main I do get messaged a lot by both nutty haters with there toxic views and sound people asking for more matches so they can learn how to fight king better
King has to work so hard to get a CHANCE at good damage with a throw, other characters who succeed at their gameplans get GURENTEED big damage, and in most cases more damage than a throw. Not to mention ALL characters have throws, some of them with launchers have grabs that are arguably better than King's with the cost of being less versatile or more predictable. So I hate to break it to King haters, if you're free to King, you're free to the game.
being that i came to this game as a 24 year old who played smash bros all my life i don't feel like learning the concept of breaking throws is something that's unaccessible it just comes down to having an outcome happen and thinking about how to make better decisions from the position. king really isn't op people just hate that he can take so much damage with out juggling you to oblivion
but also one thing, i didn't think about , is that there are different throw breaks you have to learn....... but even in that case you have the ability to duck or throw out (and most people have em) a low frame attack to interrupt with
but last but not least ... when have fighting games within the class of tekken been easy???? they've always had very complex inputs and move sets but the people that really give af just learn it , but because he have streamers that belong in 1st dan complaining on stream we gotta nerf him
After reaching flame ruler with King, my ass has been beaten so bad that I have plateaued
I think ppl like to play without having to think.. theow breaks really force you to be a student of the game
I have to ask, why do you think heat is a bad mechanic? Because of the armor/frame advantage, or the combo extension/bounce state? Or something else
Honestly as a newcomer electric and KBD wasn't too hard to learn, I'm not super consistent yet but I'm quickly improving so I don't see an issue with it tbh. It's nice to have depth in skills like that.
Throw breaking on the other hand, even with practice I only break throws purely on accident, I don't even have a starting point, I'm not just bad at it, I just don't seem to get it to work.
Very frustrating when you get vs a King while the only thing he needs to do is just throw.
It's about reaction time. I break most grabs, but not all. I've noticed the y+b and x+a are the easy grabs to break. Everyone forgets there is a 3 grab button. (X+Y + Diagonal forward) I grabbed someone a whole round just to see if they would break. He couldn't because yall are used to breaking grabs with y+b or x+a that yall forget or dont know about the 3rd grab.
I use grabs to throw off my opponent, so when they think im going to grab again, I'll end up juggling them for trying to anticipate me, lol.
With king its a guessing game when he does the long grab. You cancel by trying to guess the button before they do. Heat is decent for new players. Otherwise, they would just get folded from veteran players who never needed it.
K-Wiss said it best. "It's easier to complain than to learn."
Love Boogard. He's exceptionally good at giving advice to new players in a way that makes sense. Love the video Majin!
"I have no idea why they buffed king in the patch" while the answer was on screen
Didn't they just give him a jag sprint cancel? All stances in this game can be canceled, right? Idk why King's shouldnt
@@rastafari2k3 yep. We have ling cancelling aop into block into BT into AOP again, but king being able to defend himself against rage arts during his stance is apparently too far!
The reason why I think King has an unfair advantage over the entire cast is that not all his throws are broken the same way, and since throws in general are not able to be sidestepped, that means that you not only have to guess correctly for which throw he does in order to break it, but you have to guess correctly on reaction which is super difficult and frustrating for the 95% of players. Just making throws sidesteppable again would fix that imo. It'd be an easy method of fixing it (since these devs seem to like going easy/lazy routes to fix character balance issues lately lol) and it would make the most sense I think.
I know people hate throws in tekken 8 but there are literally different button inputes to break out of them,all you got to do is learn it and your good
People be hating on King for his grabs when you can actually escape like 95% of them by hitting the right button. You get snatched by any other grappler in any other FG like Zangief, R.Mika, Laura, Potemkin, Tager, Mika (UNI2), Waldstein, Daimon, Clark, King Dinosaur/Tizoc, Haggar, Beowulf etc and it's LIGHTS OUT because you can't just break their command grabs.