⬆️ Upgrading the Roly Automation LaserMATIC to the 30W Module & First Cut Tests!
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Hi Rich you are so good at doing all your videos. Thank you so much for all you training.
Glad to help Terry!
Thank you Rich, I really like your instruction and presentation...
Thanks for watching Charles!
Thanks Rich for this one, I just ordered the 10/20 laser upgrade today for my Lasermatic 10 as they just came available today for order. I jumped on that first thing and am very excited to upgrade my 10 watt laser. I also received the new chuck rotary a couple of weeks ago and really like the new rotary. And since I have both styles of rotary it offers some flexibility. I am assuming the upgrade should be fairly easy with the new laser. I also upgraded the cabling so I think I will have all the machine I will need (for now anyway) ;-).... I will be looking forward to the live stream. Cheers from Utah !
Awesome! 👍 Thanks for watching!
Been looking at this as a side job, found your channel. Gonna do more research on this. I screen print and airbrush. So as a newbie which you buy. Looks like a great machine.
I would order the LaserMATIC 30. It's a fantastic machine.
I'm sorry Rich but I LOL'd when you dropped the screw-story of my life. I'm glad you did this video because I wanted to know the difference between 20 and 30 performance. I appreciate the input on this and agree on the result. I do wish ROLY came out 1 year earlier because I would have one. But I've learned a lot with what I have and some is due to you. Thank you!
I drop everything! Thanks for watching!
Looks amazing! I may just have to buy one :)
You should Eric! I'll talk to Leo and see if I can get you on the next batch of testers next year.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy Tell Leo I will make him an offer he can't refuse, lol. I am making a video about it today. Will be mentioning you of course.
Don't worry Eric, I got you covered! You're on the list!
I always learn something watching this channel. Thx for the work you do. I didn't know that there were "hard" switchable power levels (vs PWM). Given the high power diode lasers are series optically combined diodes it makes so much sense to use just one or two to achieve a smaller spot size and finer detail. Makes you wonder if everyone will do this in the future? From the tests you did it seems that a 50% increase in power only resulted in a 30% increase in speed. Would a 40W unit show an even smaller % increase? You read various claims about "single pass cutting depth" with high power diode lasers but I wonder if there's a similar decreasing, not proportional, return of results there too. Especially given beam divergence and focus depth.
I can't answer that Brian, but when the spot size increases with more collimation of diodes, the cutting ability goes down. I don't think there's a hard and fast formular.
Rich, great video and I am getting ready to order the 30w within the next few weeks. I am going to try to get it in before Dec 23rd but not sure I will be able to. Does the enclosure provide enough support that personal eye protection is not needed?
Yes it does Matthew.
Great video and fantastic laser! Would love to see a cut test on 1/4 wood. 😁
I'm working on the library which has cut tests up to 10mm hardwood. I'll do thicker material is a future maker video.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy thanks!
Thank you for your videos on the Roly. I would really like to see a 20w and 30w engraving comparison in 10w modes. Some small text would be interesting. I am about to order mine now, but I can not decided on bying the 20w or the 30w module.
There is no comparison from 10 to 20 or 10 to 30W. The 10W is ultra fine engraving. Some people don't notice a difference, but when you're looking for super high quality engravings, always throw the switch to 10W mode.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy I am also about to purchase either the 20 or 30, but their site says the dot size on the 10 watt mode is different between the 10 watt, the 20 module in 10 watt mode and the 30 module in 10 watt mode.
Did you run any tests comparing the 10 watt modes? (I know the power should be the same, but I would think the spot size would change the amount of detail)
Thank you for the content. If you were purchasing now would you pick the 20w or 30w?
The 30W, absolutely Trey.
Hi Rich, great video will join live tonight. I have the original LM10. I understand Leo is working on more 20-watt upgrade modules for the original LM10. But I understand that is a 20 watt module only and cannot be switched from 10w to 20w like you can on the Mark 2 machines. Do I have that correct? Thank you!
No, the 20W upgrade module is switchable from 10 to 20W.
Have you seen the new Creality Falcon2 Pro 60W...looks interesting with 3 power modes.
No, but I'm not a fan of the Blue Universe diode modules.
Hi Rich, a bit off topic question. First, I love your videos and have learned so much. Thank you for doing these videos. I have an Atezr L2-36w laser and I’ve lost my auto focus. I’m on the Atezr FB forum and looks like this is becoming a widespread issue. Have you experienced this issue and might you know of a fix for it? Also, looks like Atezr is not being very responsive to me and others so wondering if you are still a fan of the iKier 36 or 48 watt unit with auto focus? Thanks
Never been a fan of either Atzer or Ikier; I just did reviews of them. Not sure why you would be on the Atzer FB group since it's an Atomstack.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy Hi Rich, thanks for the reply. I am on the Atezr page because my laser is an Atezr L2-36watt laser. I was considering the Ikier unit as a replacement. I would like a unit with auto focus and it seemed similar. I sit a distance from the machine when working so the auto focus is a nice feature. My main goal is reliability and a higher power diode laser in the upper 30 to 48 watt range. If that means no auto focus I will adapt. Do you have a recommendation for solid higher power diode with a larger work area similar to the size of the Atezr and iKier beds? I appreciate your recommendations.
Oh, okay, I misread.
Hey Steve, nice video as usual with loads of inspiration.
But I have two questions.
1) - in your videos and streams I see a beautifully clean laser cover and honey comb
- so just a question, how often and with what do you clean it.
And the second question... technical
2) - when moving in the y-axis, the laser cuts through the plywood completely,
but in the x-axis the cut is not complete. I think the laser is modified by something in the x-axis?
That there would be some other way of modulating the laser beam?
Or is the laser head shaking somehow and the beam is not consistent???
I couldn't find an explanation anywhere.
Have a nice day Steve , I look forward to more videos.
Lada V. Vacatko
But most of all...good luck with your work.
My name is Rich, not Steve. I clean my acrylic with regular glass cleaner. It's the Y axis that doesn't cut as well as the X, and that's because the laser beam is slightly rectangle, so it's more concentrated on the X.
Sorry Rich.. my mistake. I somehow got it mixed up...:o)) Just for fun - "Uncle Google" translates your name as Rich money Luisiana Hobby guy...(Congratulations as you can see, sometimes it's an advantage to travel across the globe).
But the X and Y explanation of the position of the passer beam is actually logical. I forgot about that. But as interesting as the small difference in beam shape makes a difference in burning through the material.
Thank you for answer. Lada
They're working on new technology at Roly Automation with mirrors to get a square beam. It's in the R&D department now and they should have a prototype next year.
Rich, now that the LaserMatic is going to be available in the UK, I have ordered the 30w. So I am now revisiting your previous videos about the LaserMatic in anticipation of my delivery (mid Jan 24). A question do you have to manually change from 10w to 30w in the middle of a run or is it done automatically by LightBurn?
This is a complicated question Ian, and the answer is yes and no.
*Yes,* you can set the engrave layer to be 50% power as an example, but the 4 diodes will still be outputting.
*No,* the 10/30 switch is a manual toggle switch on the module.
*Yes,* you can run the engrave layer in 10W mode with the cut layer turned off, and when the job finishes, flip the switch to 30W, turn off the engrave layer, and then turn on and run the cut layer.
Thanks Rich. The last part of your reply is the possible conclusion I had come to. I'm really looking forward to getting my machine, it will be a big step up from my 7.5w NEJE
OMG! 😲 The difference is unbelievable Ian!
where do you see availibility of Lasermatic in Europe? Thinking of purchasing first Laser, Located in Sweden
When engraving at 30000 mm/min, did you have to change the $110 value in lightburn as I believe the default max on the lasermatic is 18000 mm/min in the lightburn settings?
Love your content!
No Chris, the .lbset file that comes with the 30W Mark 2 already has the $110 at 30,000 and the $111 at 18,000.
@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy Thanks so much for confirming. I have Box 1 of 2 sitting in my kitchen now. Box 2 coming on Wednesday. 😀
And that's going to feel like a month off! 🤪
Leo just sent me a 10/20 watt library. Email said 20/30 but the library lists 10/20 watt settings for different materials.
Yes, that's the one from Dimitry.
Hi Rich, any observations on dot size? The Lasermatic modules seem quite large in comparison to all Xtool modules. The Xtool 40w dot size is smaller than the Lasermatic 10w?
Laser manufacturers lie about spot size Allan, Roly Automation does not. For instance, I just got the WeCreat 40W and they claim a 0.08 x 0.1 spot. Under the microscope, it's 0.2 x 0.25.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy thanks for that Rich, I’m not surprised I thought it quite surprising that the Roly 10w had a dot size allegedly larger than a 40w, cheers
Did you do a video comparing the 20w to 30w modules both in 10w mode to compare detail of engraving? I haven't bought either and want to know if they have the same detail in 10w mode.
Yes they do, the switch turns off all but two of the diodes in 10W mode, so they're both the same.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy thanks Rich. I understand how they work, with multiple small diodes aimed at same location to total up to higher wattage. I just never experienced one where you switch of diodes so was wondering. Some folks suggested in their Facebook group that there may be less detail (but they may have been basing that off the 30W mode being a little less detailed with the more diodes resulting in a slightly more spread out beam
People say all kinds of things...
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy I know. Was just hoping to see in real world, practical use, a side by side just to confirm before I buy. I don't want to make another mistake when buying.
I don't think it's possible to make a mistake when buying a LaserMATIC... Everyone loves theirs, and I have never heard a single person say they regretted the purchase, just the opposite.
Odd, their site says the lasermatic 10 can not be upgraded to the 10/30 module.
No it can't, only to the 10/20. I was upgrading the 20W.
I have a Atezr P20. Im looking to get a roly mk2. Should I get the 30w or stick with the 20W? Do the two engrave the same? Looking at the specs looks like the beam width of the 30w is bigger than the 20w so I would think you would get more detail out of the 20w? As far as cutting ability roughly what thickness can you cut with the 20w vs the 30w?
The 30W is actually a 10/30W, you just flip the switch to change from 2 diodes to 6. The spot size is about the same as a 20W.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy The focal spot size is different. Probably not noticeable? the 20w max spot size is .24 x .12 and on the 30w it is .35 x .22
In my testing, under a microscope with a crack ruler, the spot size on the 20 & 30 had a negligible difference. They both were on opposite sides of 0.18 x 0.11. The beam seems to be more round than square as well. My results even shocked Leo.
FYI, EST is GMT - 5
Yep, I'm in CST, so I get confused! 🤪
I like your reviews.
For the price of the 30 watt I have to agree with you that I don't believe it's worth the cost to upgrade to a 30watt.
Yep, unless you have a legacy 10W, then the upgrade to the 20W is well worth it!
So I thought you could not upgrade from 10 watts and to 30 watts , only upgrade to 20 watts. Something change?
This is upgrading the MK2 from 20 to 30, not the original LM10.
You cannot upgrade from 10 to 30, this was from 20 to 30.
Sometime do a video for people that can't afford anything but a 5 watt laser engraver with info for a 5 watt laser. Thanks
Get a Longer Ray 5 5W; works a treat. Was my first Laser and very happy how it has performed after a year of regular use.
I have several Frank.
I was wondering soes this laser have to be kept in a climate controlled environment?
Not necessarily Ann.
I have to say, I'm a bit perplexed. When I view these videos on lasers and laser power; and I do watch a lot of videos on the subject, I can never tell if the TH-camr is talking about input power or output power. Obviously, output is a true measure of the laser's ability. If input power is the normal reference pertaining to the ability of the machine, then, we're not really getting an accurate description of the laser's output, which is the ultimate measurement of the laser's capability. Example being, If I own a 20w laser that only has an output of 5w, and the TH-camr is reviewing a 40w laser that has an output of 20w and he doesn't inform the public that it is 20w input or 20w output, then why would I purchase a 20w laser not knowing if the wattage is input or output?
This is optical output.
9pm - I'm too old for late nights man LOL I will try ;) Would love to see a 10w to 30w upgrade as it seems the laser mount is a bit different on the 20w and 30w.
The 10W can only be upgraded to a 20W Mike.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy oh crap, that's right!