Saturn V-4X(U) 1 Million Pound Payload: The Beast
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- Boeing 1968 study, four improved Saturn S-IC first stage stretched TO 498 inches with 6.64 million pounds propellant and 5 F-1 engines each and 4 S-II second stage with 5 J-2 engines
and a payload shroud of 86.5 feet in diameter and 240 feet long for a payload of over
1 million pounds
#boeing #nasa #ksp
There is something delightfully Kerbal about this monstrosity...
3:34 Wait one second
3:52 WTF IS DIS
Came to say same thing.
2nd stage looks like rapiers if they worked without air
Moar boosters, strap moar rockets together, moar!
I actually built something very similar without knowing this concept even existed😂
Seems like a much safer way to launch Orion-type nuclear pulse spacecraft. 👍
Ha! Understatement of the day. Yes.
I'd love to see Hazegrayart fit a 20m diameter Orion atop this behemoth!
Yeah, Orion was a model of brute force mechanics scaled to unbelievable proportions. BBF---Blunt Brute Force!
I read somewhere that the sea launch of an Orion without other boosters would only cause one excess death total.
Given that you can have shorter missions and put way more radiation shielding on board when you're no longer mass-limited, this might end up a net positive.
@@davidcurry5239
wdym "only one death = positive"?
The insanity of the design is giving me Kerbal vibes. Love it!
I mean the Saturn IB was basically this but the mercury stages were straped together.
@@pokenaut7803 And don't forget the 3rd candidate for Soviet moonshot- Yangel's R-56(the polyblock version) which was exactly the same configuration(4x 1+2 stages of the R-36s stashed together)!
It doesn't launch, it stays in place and pushes the earth away.
In Soviet Union, you don't launch rocket, the rocket launches you.
Correct. This rocket is aptly name the U.S.S. Chuck Norris.
20 F1s on the first stage…I’m sure this thing would look and sound like a pad explosion on liftoff.
Sound waves would be felt in Omaha.
@SpaceX-Space Flight Simulator Nope there are actually 5 on each, but the center engines cut off a bit earlier than the rest, just like how it was done on the original Saturn Vs.
It would probably blow the pad on each liftoff
every launch a new launch site... pretty awesome. Muuuuuuch thermal energy on this point...
It'd make a racket all right. Which would be good news for the local wildlife. . . . Saturn V launches were so loud, they killed all the rats in the area via pressure wave effects on the inner ear. This made the place much safer for birds ( Whose eras are resistant to the noise ), which is why the area around Canaveral was and is a haven for wildfowl otherwise at risk in Florida.
Can you imagine the sheer noise of that monster lifting off?
Nicely done! Interesting side note, the acoustical power generated by the supersonic turbulent mixxing of the hot exhaust gasses with the cooler air when doppler shifted down creates the unique popping sounds heard. The individual pressure pulses from the turbulent wakes is enough the break windows two miles away from the launch pad.. which was why press and visitors were 7 miles away from a Saturn 5 launch. A huge Nova Class or Superheavy booster would have increased that clearence distance even further...which was one of the reasons ocean launches were considered.
Very interesting. Was wondering why I did not hear the popping during the SLS core stage test.
Just when I thought I'd seen the most Kerbal paper rocket from NASA ....
This and the Jupiter III SDV are the most kern things you’ve ever posted
As impressive as the Saturn V-4X(U) study seems, something tells me that combining four Saturn rockets into one single mega-rocket is not that simple and would require overcoming many technical challenges.
Vibrations, separation would not be that clean and cut, they would def not have the exact Saturn V configuation especially single the vornier thrusters could hit the other engines on their way down, etc. It would def be hard to do.
Especially, they would have to redesign aerodynamic between the several rocket nozzles lol
It was absurd. Purely absurd. Almost blew all the nova rockets out of the water.
Let me remind you those first stage boosters alone are stretched by 300-330 inches iirc. They’re the V-4 Modified Launch Vehicle variant.
they'd need a completely new launchpad, and VAB to start.
How would they have launched this without causing property destruction or personal injury?
If Jeremy Clarkson moved to America and became NASA director...
POWEEEEEER!!!
TONIGHT!
And made Nixon reverse his decision on cutting NASA's budget!
@@fuzzyhead878 ON BOTTOM GEAR
*the n1 rocket crashes*
HAMMOOOOND!
The "If NASA had unlimited budget" experience
More like "if NASA had a tenth of one years military budget" :~)
@@pegasusted2504 thatd take another space race
@@arcosprey4811 already in one. To be fair though, maybe america for one year only could only spend as much on the military as the next five countries combined instead of ten. Then NASA could get half a trillion dollars. I magine what they could do with that much cash.
The bailouts of '08 were greater than the entire historic running grand total NASA expense.
The bailouts of '20 were much more.
Today, our DoD budget is ~80% of the entire historic NASA expense. Counting Apollo, the Shuttle, and ISS, but not counting "black" military items or ongoing military operational expenses, each of which are more, and which aren't part of that voted budget, but are tacked on as "riders" on must-pass legislation.
I always say the biggest hoax and scam of the space age is that so many have been convinced that going to space is/must be this huge budget-busting expense. Simply not true.
During the timescale of Apollo, the US spent as much on cosmetics, and large States spent more on liquor, than we spent on going to the Moon.
During our invasion of Iraq, we were spending $8 billion a month, and the NASA budget was $17 billion.
$17 trillion in military expenses between '03 and '20, some of it just lost.
Bidens too busy sending 42 billion to Ukrain and at the same time left 80 billion in military equipment in Afghanistan.... NASA gets the crumbs
Constantly improving. Such high quality.
I'm just happy it's NOT made in China
NASA: "Send a telegram to gravity, to read as follows:
'Dear Gravity: F U. Insulting letter to follow. Regards, NASA.'"
NASA and its wallet both.
Loooovee the sound design here with the witty commentator and the lady yelping, lovely touches which I hope were fun for you as they were for me.
This is the most Kerbal...and...the coolest thing I've ever seen that could actually be made real. Great work, my man. Launching KSP now to build it. 😁
For rest of the world - Boeing 1968 study, four improved Saturn S-IC first stage stretched TO 12.65 meters with 29.5 Mega newtons propellant and 5 F-1 engines each and 4 S-II second stage with 5 J-2 engines and a payload shroud of 26.36 meters in diameter and 73.15 meters long for a payload of over 453.5 tons.
I actually searched for that comment
Entire ISS in one go!
FINALLY! I've been trying FOR YEARS to find just an illustration of this proposal - MANY THANKS!
You could have written me a letter about it. I have been drawing a good deal of the American vehicles (real and proposed) for the last few years. I got on this one pretty quickly.
This video portrays it far better than I do, though. I am going to do an updated drawing.
If combined with the Hiller air tug helicopters also shown on these wonderful videos, the four Saturn boosters could be recovered and reused. This might have made it worthwhile.
For me it looks like a nice rocket to send a mission to Mars in the 70s.
This could be Capricorn One’s booster
Holy crap.... I love how you captured the scale of it, with the Saturn V's used as boosters. Just out of curiosity, what was the payload? It flew by so quick, I have no idea what I was looking at. Keep up the great work and I look forward to seeing more concepts.
Even after pausing several times and going frame-by-frame, I still have no idea what that payload was. It didn't look like something you'd launch in the early 70s though...
Some cool looking item with no secified purpose, I guess. Suggesting it would have worked like in this video, this launch system could have thrown an entire base straight to the moon just like that..
Looks like a station or like a reactor idk
Whatever it was, it was more than likely lobbed into Lunar orbit - probably the core of a Lunar Gateway Orbital Station - at least, that’s the impression I got.
@@CuzicanAerospace I did the exact same thing.
What could go wrong.... LOL. I miss the Saturn V. This beast would make our Moon rocket look like a cheap 4th of July bottle rocket. It brought back memories of Russia who always made gigantic stuff, rockets, planes, etc. I think Boeing said that the launch pad would have to be re-built after every launch. Something about 20 F-1 engines running at same time in same time zone.
Growing up watch Saturn 5 rockets lift off was special events this is truly engineering at its finest
This channel is a hidden gold mine. I watched the Starclipper video ages ago and just never bothered to check if there was more so I'm glad the algorithm brought this back to my attention.
It would be amazing to watch one of these renders be a failed launch/explosion.
or something
A shockwave and camera shake at ignition would have sold it but the rest felt realistic and spectacular. Well done!
This video is a masterpiece, the amount of attention to details is mind boggling. Congratulations 👏🏻
Impressive, I'll join the chorus of people asking just what that payload was. Not to say that there were not some interesting payload studies involving the Saturn V. Everything from 'Project Able' (Giant orbital mirrors.) to 30m radio telescopes. Hope you get a chance to animate a few of those in the future.
well its glowing already so SMELLS LIKE NEUTRINO FLUX
So you’re on YT now? I’ve seen you on Secret Projects and Nasaspaceflight
It looks like maybe a fusion rocket of the VISTA variety, given the cone on the bottom, although I have no idea why the rest of it is glowing like that
You could lift an entire structure to the moon. A permanent habitat. Or supplies or machinery
This is an awesome what if… Thank you for taking the time to produce this beautiful visual gem…
That was absolutely wonderful. Words cannot describe how I felt watching this.
*_'How many SATURN V boosters do you want us to use?"_*
*_"YES."_*
That is such a monster! I miss hearing that sound. So beautiful noise it makes!
Could you imagine what this really would be like to watch. The amount of energy that a Saturn V produces, and multiplying that by 4 is mind blowing.
Such a vehicle would have to be launched from an off-shore barge like was planned for the Nova. The accoustic damage would devastate Titusville and beyond.
And completely expendable. The Saturn V was amazing, but it was also a creature of its time. Modern rockets are much improved over this brute force idea. Nice concept and follow through, though!
For a moment i wondered why I had never heard of this launch, it just looked so real it surpassed me
Four Saturn V 1st stages bundled together? sure why not
Man's launching the moon.
Not to the moon, launching the whole ass moon
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Love it! This looks like it should deliver Orion propelled ships to orbit. ;!)
Amazing as always!
Yes
Not too shabby! love it!
I was looking forward to the quadruple skirt jettison
almost thought that was real at first , then again i just woke up lol
The noise! You nailed it!
Best suppository commercial I’ve ever seen 🎉
Every time I think "you can't build a more Kerbal rocket than this", Hazegrayart puts out a new video
I still can't imagine that scale of size. It's huge. I want to see that in person one day.
Go to BOCA CHICA,Texas and see the massive Starship launch !!! It's as close to this as we can get !!!
Huntsville, Alabama. There is a rest stop on the Highway, on the left if you're leaving the state, with a replica Saturn V. I can't remember if it was full scale or not.
How can anybody watch these Hazegrayart animations and, after picking their slackened jaws off the ground, NOT unconditionally subscribe immediately? How do you watch these splendid animations and not share the links with every like minded friend you have, then spend hours engaged in serious, hushed conversations about what you’ve both watched? How does anyone watch these animations without suffering an “I Touched the Tycho Magnetic Anomaly One” type “bio-neurological” awakening?
That’s pretty cool. One thing though, the exhaust isn’t sooty enough. The Saturn V used a fuel rich propellant mixture to power the turbo pumps and dumped the exhaust out the perimeter of the engine bells
This whole channel is essentially Kerbal Space Program with NVIDIA switched on
Okay for real there are still a lot of camera clicks in the 21st century. DSLR's are the best value for professional quality common at big events like rocket launches.
(I think I'm overestimating how common cameras were in the 70s. Disposable or cheap film cams wouldn't out for a while yet, right?)
What a delightfully absurd concept
Love your work, just fantastic.
Wow! What an enormous beast!!
I would feel the roar of this thing launching all the way from my house here in central KANSAS!!
When you hire a kerbal engineer as your engineer:
...great animation, had to make sure the subwoofer was turned down. Loved the POV form the boosters.
Is there any reason this couldn’t be further extended to a 7-core vehicle (35 F-1s)?
The four-core would have had significant acoustic and vibration issues from the get go and adding more would have made things even harder/worse. As it is even "only" four (20 F1's) would have likely heavily damaged the launch platform itself and done significant damage to the pad and surrounding areas. This was a big 'takeaway' with many of the "post-Saturn" heavy lift vehicle studies in that it rapidly became an issue of the vehicle being unable to be launched from any conventional pad available and the needed pad infrastructure began to get so excessive as to be uneconomical to invest in with the projected very low flight rates.
I cannot even imagine how this would look like, how would you place the 7 saturn cores strapped together?
@@CraftYourDreamLB59 One surrounded by 6 probably, as someone said "kinda" like the Saturn 1 tank configuration :) Really though at that point you'd really want to just redesign and rebuild the whole thing.
As I noted though you have so many ground handling and infrastructure issues the utility would be questionable at best. (Really freaking awesome to watch launch... Preferably from a nearby State such as Texas or Alabama :) )
@@randycampbell6307 Do you have a source?
@@innosam123 At hand, no. I moved recently and most of my binders are still in storage. Nor is it a single source since it was addressed in many of the post-Saturn V "Big Booster" studies that went beyond preliminary design. (This wasn't one of those designs but others used F1's as a basis and the actual Saturn V acoustic studies as a basis)
The sound levels and pad damage issues were one of the reasons most post-Saturn V big boosters were not going to be launched from the Cape and if they were (ROMBUS from the early ones and things like the Boeing Space Freighter from later studies for example) there would have to be an entirely new launch complex built to handle them.
The Saturn V was a HELL OF A BEAST! The rocket that took America to the moon over and over. You have to RESPECT an accomplishment like that in 1969
The term "Beast" is quite appropriate for this rocket! It looks to be a very stable configuration for 4 first stage engine groupings. Incredible thrust output from all sixteen engines (if my counting was correct). This would be a fantastic launch to witness. However, I do love the Sea Dragon launch video. That submerged water launch just gives me goosebumps every time I watch it. Another great video in a series titled "The Greatest Launches That Never Were.'
5 times 4 = 16, yup you're correct
Try 20… five F-1’s per first stage, five J-1 in the second stage.
The animation missed the ullage motors firing and then separating…
Their were eight ullage motors on each second stage (the ones between the stages would be messy…).
You forgot to count the center engines on each 1st stage, though they cut off earlier than the other engines like on the standard Saturn V.
Wow! Very nice work. It would be cool to see something like this in real life. I'll be the engineers at NASA and the contract companies would freak out if they were asked to do this irl.
This thing would destroy the pad....love the sound of the engine crackle.
This is so gloriously Kerbal!!!
Sadly impossible. The US lost the tech and ability to build the amazing F1 rocket engines. That's why Jeff Bezos was dragging up the Saturn 5 first stage engines from the Atlantic.
@Hear Hrrh As I said, The US lost the tech and ability to build the amazing F1 rocket engines
Yes and no. We could build those engines, but note the way they where made in the sixties. Every F1 engine was handmade out of over 400 parts in thousand of work hours, every engine was unique with its own story and flaws. Most of the tooling and techniques are just outdated. But a few years ago it was checked whether the F1 engines could be used for the SLS and so the engines were adapted for modern manufacturing processes so that they can be easily manufactured with modern machines from just 40 parts.
You forgot the absolute destruction of the launch facility as it clears the tower.
After the first Falcon Heavy launch, Elon Musk: "Really need to account for the sound it generates."
Between the sound and the fury I'm with you.
Excellent touch on the shut down 5th F-1s!
You need to go "Full Kerbal" and put a cluster of nine Saturn V's in a frame like the Saturn 1 used Redstone/Jupiter fuel tanks.
To think that all of the stages were strapped to that tiny dual engine SIVB stage…
I think that was an S-IV. Literally the size of Skylab. That's how huge everything was.
@@pseudotasuki It had dual engines though, maybe it’s a dual engine SIVB.
@@fork9001 Yeah, S-IVC or something like that. A pair of RL10s would be absurdly underpowered for a payload that large.
@@pseudotasuki J2 engines?
@@fork9001 Absolutely. S-IVB with a single J-2 produced 2.5x as much thrust as S-IV with six RL10s.
Magnificent work as always. Thanks for sharing.
This is very impressive. Thanks!
Well, let's see: A Saturn V generated about 200-210 decibels 1000 feet away, which is enough to kill you, and I saw a couple of them launch from about 4 miles away, and they were still loud as hell, so I'm figuring 800db minimum, probably you couldn't be within 10 miles without it being deafening. This is why they talked about towing the Sea Dragon out 50 miles to launch it - it would have been dangerously loud.
There's also the heat. I think 20 F1 engines in such close proximity would have melted the lower stages.
Remember that the decibel scale of noise is logarithmic, not linear.
This craft shape design would've been an ideal/fantastic concept for a jumbo Blue Origin "space tourism" from that B.O.Shepard, a bulk recreation dome pod for VIP dine 🍽 , bar 🍸 , dance 💃 🕺 & music 🎶 Or an economic ticket of multi passengers like the classic time duriation & seating 💺.
In tech detail, it would basically be 4 to 6 BO-Shepards, (depending on dome pod size) instead of the original pod heads, added fuel to remain up there or land break before a short parachutes, as bell shape dome, similar to a Starship cargo & nose cone volume 🙌 *inspirational* CGI scenery.
Me: That looks like a great idea.....
Jebediah: Ah fuck, here we go again.....
NASA: "All for the bargain price of $25 billion per launch!...excluding payload"
Most incredible thing I've ever witnessed
Very impressive CGI!
I hadn't seen this Saturn-V variant. It's added to the list.
Most know of the Sea Dragon.
There's also the Convair Nexus. Smaller version lifted ~400 tons, but the larger lifted 900 tons, with a 45 meter diameter payload separation plane.
Also the Douglas ROMBUS
The Boeing Modular Large Launch Vehicle MLLV, was a 23 meter diameter core stage, SSTO for a few hundred tons. With `12 strap-on 8 meter liquid or solid boosters: 1000+ tons to orbit.
Boeing in the '70s designed a SSTO, VTOVL booster for ~400 tons, for lifting Solar power Satellites. Artwork shows substantial launch infrastructure in Florida.
These all used many rocket engines, in a truncated plug aerospike afterbody, that's more efficient and automatically self-adjusts for density altitude/vacuum.
The later, larger variants landed themselves back into their prep/launch structure.
See also the Rockwell Star-Raker, the Chrysler SERV.
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Okay, this and the Sea Dragon are two incredibly Kerbal ideas I wish they'd actually built.
Great animation
That's best launch i even seen!
The king "Saturn-V" (king of all saturn-v's)
You know I could spot this vacant from a mile away when I 1st clicked it
There is something called surface area to volume ratio. Packing more rockets together increases volume relative to surface area. In this case the 4 rockets aren't tightly packed to fully achieve lowering surface area. The challenge is the space between the rockets. I mean the cavity they create. That could spell disaster when the quadro rockets move through air to scape earth's gravity, possibly creating drag and vector interruptions.
But cool idea for a B-scifi movie.
Cheers 🍻
What exactly were they planning on launching if the payload was 1 million pounds?
Maybe a nuclear propulsion system ? Like in the Orion project ?
Moon base modules. Mars transfer vehicle sections. Propulsion components for an orion-drive interstellar probe. There’s plenty of options if you have the ambition and the budget.
Oi sou do Brasileiro eu adoro os seus vídeos e a animação é muito bem feita parabéns
Hi I'm from Brazilian I love your videos and the animation is very well done congratulations
Thank god modern tracking cameras are more stable than computer animated tracking cameras from 1968.
If we have rockets that can lift 1 million pounds out of our atmosphere ....i am amazed. Just imagine the weaponry we could design.
The broom stick 🧹 can fly !, yehiiii 😁
Wow amazing, the problem is the fricking swamp
That thing is insane! Would you need some sort of a baffle between the four SatVs to stop them all from bringing the bass unto destruction?
Now I can't help imagining: This..... but Sea Dragons.
This was essentially the strapping together of four Saturn Vs, of which their first stages were modified with a crazy 498 inch stretch (41.5 feet). These alternative versions of the S-IC (Saturn V first stage) don’t even look abnormal here compared to what they combine into.
Yet the decisions that led to considering the stretch were separate studies of having any of the three stages including the S-IC converted to the MS variants, of which the S-IC, S-II and S-IVB were stretched, reengined, strengthened for bigger payloads, and adding enormous SRBs or LRBs into the mix.
legendary camera man
Ah yes, the A380 launch vehicle
This is a mere bottle rocket, in comparison to some of my Kerbal creations!! 😇
This is what new Kerbal players made when they got the Making history expansion
The Kerbals would be so proud
This is how I get an Orion(nuke rocket) into orbit in KSP
Nice simulation
One day hopefully , you will do a actual video as to how you create these amazing clips you post on here , I'd also love to know where you source your sound clips for the actual engines please . Amazing work as always .
And now four reusable Superhevy in first stage please.🤣
The space view was some really good CGGI.
After a few million launches like that the junk in the bottom of the ocean will raise the sea level an inch or two
Wow , un super jeu vidéo, malheureusement la terre est trop petite 🫣 faut l' agrandir beaucoup plus 🗽 liberté 🗽
when you use four saturn-V's as boosters,