The Debate Rages On...
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- Nhl hockey 2024 - The new york rangers and edmonton oilers are both having highly entertaining seasons and their nhl highlights today and all year will show you that, but two players from the oilers rangers have sparked quite a debate in some hockey circles and I wanted to cover it as it's very interesting. For more recaps reactions and breakdowns of nhl hockey highlights 2024 , news rumors picks rankings and predictions plus team/player specific content, subscribe. Zach hyman artemi panarin who is the best free agency signing of the past decade plus? We will talk more about connor mcdavid zach hyman combo and florida panthers vs new york rangers highlights as I think they may meet in the playoffs. Nhl today
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The lady with the bread was hilarious
she looked like she was having fun & had "risen" to the occasion!
Panarin is her “hero”
Challaaaaaah!
I was wondering what it had to do with the video😂
Panarin is the name i think of well known New York bakery so Artemi is nicknamed the breadman! good luck from the UK@@jameswysocki6806
As long as the salary cap exists, contract value will always be the most important part imo
Hymans on a gigantic bargain deal and he wants to be here. It’s perfect.
Panarin might hit 50 without McDavid and had 95 points on line with ryan strome and jesper fast. Are people going nuts? And if we’re talking contract value, take a look at what trocheck has done since he got there.
11 million/ year and ONLY 95 POINTS? How is that a value??? He should be on lock for 100-120 points.
@@LARGO125 that was half a decade ago and he currently is…since he signed that contract the only players with higher ppg averages are McDavid and Draisaitl
@@LARGO125ты про Петерсона😂😂😂
Ryan Nugent Hopkins is being paid 5 mil and is on pace for a hundred points.@@lmtman6199
Is there any way we can calculate what is the best signing? Because this way, we could be arguing forever with no real answer.
Jonathan Drouin is on pace for 55+ points and is being paid the league minimum this year. Obviously he's gonna get paid this summer since it's a one year deal, so not the absolute best FA signing but it is really awesome how he's refreshed his career with Colorado.
RNH going for over 100pts+ at $5mil is still the greatest signing of all time. I can’t think of another contract in recent history where someone signs such a team friendly deal and then puts up 100pts+ the first season into that deal.
Whoever pays him will quickly realize he was very well surrounded this past year.
As a devils fan, Artemi Panarin just annoys me to watch when he’s playing against us, but take last night against Florida into consideration, one of many games that man has played in the blue sweaters…. He’s unreal. He’s a damn beauty to watch, and makes the devils rangers rivalry that much more fun. Really loved your talk on the breadman.
As a rangers fan love Jack Hughes honestly
@@lanea8764 was coming here to say this lmao. i live in Jersey as a Rangers fan and the past 3 years have been so much fun. Nothing beats good hockey.
Panarin about to have a huge postseason no question
production/salary is a better marker imo. The discussion isnt about who is the most talented (like you said).
Honestly a better comparison would be Trocheck and Hyman. They signed Trocheck as a 3rd line center. The dude has been absolutely unreal.
Does trocheck have anywhere near 50 goals…
@@jakethesnake9608 He has the same number of points
Ullmark signed in 2021 for 5 mil a year, less than Hyman and Panarin. Actually won an individual award and had an all time great year. Even as a rangers fan who loves the Bread Man, we really do live year to year.
My caveat is I'm an Oiler fan.
Its a super rare to actually sign a high profile UFA and have them work out as well as either of them. The Rangers needed a SuperStar it worked out perfectly and at a good price. The Oilers needed a hard working winger for McDavid who could score and Hyman worked out perfectly.
The difference being in my mind Panarin has been what was expected Hyman has blown his expectation out of the water.
So I'd give the best UFA signing to Hyman with Panarin a very close second.
imagine if Panarin skated on McDavid's wing.
I’d argue that Trocheck was a better signing if we’re talking value $$$
@@computerfortytwo2712yeah McDavid should request a trade to NY
@JustaComment93 haha, yes! And they can have 3 of anyone not named Fox, Panarin or Shesty. And 3 1sts
@@mikhailkhan6752 exactly.
If this is the Argument than I can say that Trocheck is our Hyman
Yeah trocheck has been amazing for us this year
I did not know that Trocheck had 50 goals.
@@AC-gw4qu Hyman doesnt have 50 without mcdavid lets be real...
Hyman is literally a middle 6 player MAX without Mcdavid. Panarin drives anyone he plays with, plus Hyman isn't even gonna be a PPG player to finish the year, and is a tap-in merchant whereas Panarin scores at will from wherever, kinda like guys like Matthews, Mackinnon, etc.
It’s an interesting topic. I think you could argue both ways. Yes Hyman’s contract is insane value, however I think we all know he’s benefiting from McDavid and Draisaitl. Panarin is a star player on any team and will carry the play. He’s at least a tier above Hyman. As a Canucks fan, Hyman reminds me of Alex Burrows and his net front presence and how he benefited from playing with the Sedins while on a team friendly contract. But say you trade Hyman to a team like Columbus, will he have those 50 goals? It’s more Edmonton found a player who found chemistry with McDavid and works well with him vs. Rangers signing a top player in the league. Just glad Messier isn’t in the conversation 🤦♂️
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I always think it’s whoever works best with the Superstars like McDavid and Panarin. Hyman works amazing with McDavid just like how Trocheck works well with Panarin.
as a rangers fan, Hyman takes the cake with the contract, Panarin would be had Hyman not signed that insane cheap deal, also please make rangers videos I love your content!
They both bring different dynamics to their teams.
Things to consider. Panarin signed Pre-Covid. Hyman signed Post-Covid. Panarin went to a bad team. Hyman went to an established team, especially on the the offensive side. Teams gear up to stup Panarin. Hyman isn't top concern. Panarin has been teams leading scorere every year of his contract. Hyman not close. Panarin's RW's have been Jesper Fast, Dryden Hunt, Colon Blackwell, Andrew Copp for a short run and this season Lafrenierre. His Center was Ryan Strome and now Vincent Tricheck.
Not all in favor of Panarin as Hyman brings a sandpaper and forechecking element Panarin does not. Put it this way. Flip the two signings. Neither team has what they need.
I hate the Rangers but Panarin is so damn good. His back story (childhood) makes him even more impressive. He makes his half assed linemates look much better than they are
Anyone who can get alexis lafreniere to score 20 goals is a true superstar, because that bust would have 4 or 5 goals without Bread setting him up.
@@Fish-Erman Facts. Panarin could give ME 20 goals LOL
I think he is the 3rd best passer in the league behind Kuch and Marner.
В первую очередь это качество игрока, Панарин лучше не только как игрок, но и самое главное он не работает на личную статистику и помогает партнерам раскрыться! То что Хайман получает меньше это не надолго, сейчас контракт перепишет и будет все по другому.
As a rangers fan, its Hyman. You can't ignore that value. And for the record im a huge fan of the Panarin signing, hes a monster. But to get 50 goals out of a contract given to some third liners these days, its insane.
Yes, do more rangers video please. Thank you
Hopkins had his time of the year last season, Hyman gets his this season
More blueshirts coverage plz 🔴🔵
Panarin was racking up points with Jesper Fast and Ryan Strome on his line
Hands down there is no better free agency signing than the bread man.
You should make video about your thoughts of flames making playoffs this year or how long their rebuild will take if they do
There really is no debate. Panarin was a great signing. Hyman was a great signing. Many others were great signing. Each was an individual deal by the team involved. The pay ? The number of goals ? Who they play with ? How they are coached ? Just details. There are defenceman signed for half the amount who score under 40 points who are great signings. And yes, even a coach can be a great signing.
Hyman is better for a team that already has 2 top 5 players on the team. When you have a team like Rangers where there is not clear generational/franchise level talent on the team, a Panarin signing is more important and valuable, aka better. So its not a decision thats just flat out better in all situations, its... situational.
Johnny love your content. Do you think you could do a breakdown on what happened to the devils this season, a team projected to do big things by many people… would you be willing to a do a deep dive video? Haven’t seen anyone do one for them yet.
@johnny hawkey
gotta go with hyman purely due to the salary cap... the extra 6m is a eckholm type defence men...
Unfortunately there’s more to hockey than just what happens on ice. Hyman is a bargain which allows the team to spend cap space shoring up other areas of the team. I’d take two Hymans over one panarin 9/10 times.
You could put three Hymans on a line together and they’d put up 90pts total. He wouldn’t produce anywhere close to these numbers if he wasn’t playing specifically with who he’s playing with.
Panarin wins hands down, strictly on the fact there’s a very real possibility the Oilers could sign another UFA with similar characteristics to Hyman that would also do well in his role.
Panarin completely changed the complexion of the Rangers and is irreplaceable.
I would also take two Hymans over a Panarin if I had a McDavid and a Draisatl. If I had neither one of those, I wouldn't have taken Hyman at all.
Was Cheechoo better than Jumbo?
Better than Joe Thornton?? Not. Even. Close.
I swear you and this other channel make identical content
either player is amazing, i love having hyman on the oilers especially at his AAV, if the oilers brass could make the money work for the bread mans 11.6m AAV i would equally want that player on the oil, both players are the best FA signings of the decade and both players work for the both teams.
Wow. Hyman beating his career shooting% by 8%...
Pump the brakes fella.
No debates here, Panarin is on another level.
Both are great signings. Panarin is a franchise player and his contract played out well, this year he`s playing insane.
Hyman is a top 6 player, but he plays a role. And he`s great at it. His contract is half the cap and played out great.
There`s one difference - Hymans contract will likely turn bad, as he will become 32 and then has 4 more years. The chances that he`s a 50G scorer when he`s 35 and 36 years old are slim. Especially as this physical play in front of the opponents net comes with a toll on the body.
Panarins contract will run out in 2 more seasons, when he`s just 34 - and he`s the kind of player that will age well.
Right now Hyman might look like a better signing, but overall Panarins contract is better. They signed a franchise player as UFA through all his prime, and NYR are way more likely to win a cup as EDM is right now and in the next seasons.
Hyman could only score 15 and his contract would still be amazing... he does sooooo much more than just score goals... his value is way more so for his work ethic and never giving up on a play, gets his linemates the puck, does the dirst work in the corners amd infront of the net... and with the cap about to go up alot his contract will never look bad
Of those 2 players, I'd say I'm more of a fan of Hyman. Loved having him on the Leafs, was disappointed when they didn't keep him, but loving him now on the Oilers, too. Though Panarin is also a level of talent I have to give a lot of credit to. He is one of the players that has made me pay attention to the Rangers for basically the first time since the Lundqvist era. As for the signings, both teams definitely made good decisions to sign those guys...Not sure I can fairly choose which on is objectively better though, because I like Hyman, and that gives me some bias.
Hyman's contract is definitely one of the more team-friendly contracts I can remember.
Lol Mackinnon and Hyman arent even in the same universe
@@MyName_Jeff yeah, upon reflection, you're right. I had assumed Hyman had more than 19 assists.
pure skill it’s panarin. but i feel like value-wise it’s hyman. i love panarin, im a rangers fan so im biased towards him, but the fact hyman was signed for half the salary panarin was makes it a better signing
Tell me you know your hockey history without telling me you know your hockey history:
@0:37 😂😂😂
I think the value in the contract is a factor depending on which team it was. The leafs with zero cap space would mean more than another 11mill player.
bruins/pasta video?
I think that it is Panarin but not for the reason that first comes to mind. I personally just feel like the way they're playing him now enables others to shine. That line with him, trocheck, and lafreneire is going off right now. I don't think hyman is completely a beneficiary from Mcdavid but it is definitely apart of his point total.
That’s what I’m thinking 💭 Hyman has lots of goals cool he should have more. Look at MCDavids assist #s
@@JustaComment93how many goals do you want a 5.5 million a year player to get 😂
@@TH-camaidsreal I’m not saying he’s doing bad at all. I’m just saying compared to what McDavid has for assists. He should be at 60 at least.
@@TH-camaidsreal idk but Barclay goodrow makes like $4 million and has 1 goal all year so I really don’t know where to draw that line pal
Hyman got to 50 because of his line mates. He had cinder blocks for hands in Toronto.
i mean ive signed rantanen jack hughes and igor shesterkin from free agents in nhl franchise mode🤷♂
I know u dropped a lot of info here but... Mcdavid said it himself this year in an interview, instead of goals he wanted to go for more assists to break records, Hymans been a player to always be positioned properly but to not always get the correct pass, Mcdavid changed his playstyle, hyman continued his, it worked, and it could have worked IMO with any other player as well. I'm a leaf's fan and saw his struggle in Toronto so, sadly I retract the statement you made at the start, I think Hyman is a Mcdavid assist merchant and will only continue have success if he stays on this team and on his line. The moment he leaves he'll turn into a Tyson Barrie.
I’ve seen both play, went to the ranger panther game and bread was cooking, saw a ranger Edmonton game and bread had a couple points while Hyman was kept to the outside and didn’t do much i am a ranger fan, but I also watched a lot of leafs games when Hyman was there and he was underrated, but I am gonna pick bread not out of bias but only bc he’s constantly putting up 90 points, but Hymans better in the playoffs so it’s hard to pick
Let's see how they perform in the pkayoffs. If the Oilers win a cup because of this signing and the Rangers never win one with Panarin, does that effect the narrative? I think it does. The salary cap implications seem to become more and more important every year.
I always feel Panarin should still be in Chicago, with Kane, on a line with Bedard..
Idk. If you double Hymans stats for double the value, is that similar to Panarin?
Sometimes high value targets choose to go free agency because their teams are going to hell. Not surprised he didn't stay with Columbus.
Consider the players that are making 11 mill a year and compare him to them, and likely you aren't getting the same value.
I hope natedogg gets the hart trophy (and i think he should've over hall in 2018) and I hope panarin gets the ted lindsay. He should've had it in 2020 too I think. I agree 100% of Draisaitl getting the hart trophy but the Lindsay i think should've went to panarin kinda like how I think Stamkos should've gotten the ted lindsay in 2012 instead of malkin. I agree on malkin for getting the hart trophy I mean I was rooting for him to get it and i am glad he did but stammer should've had the lindsay
Panarin is the best no-brainer UFA signing
Hyman has got to be the best overall UFA signing though in terms of price and expected points -> actual output. The cap hit seemed a bit high at first for someone with a career high of 41 points but after his first year which was already a new career high, getting a point-per-game player at his AAV is proving to be a savvy signing.
Wouldn't Gretzky technically be the best free agent signing?
"Check out the Big Bread on Brad........"
If he didn't play with McDavid all 10 of his goals this year would be very impressive, I'm sure
If you watch NYR over the last 5 years, you will realize that their entire offense runs thru Panarin. He makes everyone around him better whereas on the Oilers, players around Hyman make Hyman better. That’s what you want out of an UFA and is what makes Panarin a better signing.
i feel like the words “franchise player” say it all
He said best free agent signing not best player to go to free agency....Best free agent signing indicates best value signing, how is this a debate?
Without McDavid and Draisatl, what have you got? The Rangers can throw anybody on the ice with Panarin (and have for the most part - Colin Blackwell was his winger one year, Dryden Hunt.) Also, has Hyman scored 50 each year of his contract? Will he next year? he is on a pace to score less points than last season even with the 50. Panarin is his teams leading scorer each year of his deal. That's how its a debate
In my opinion Hyman is an amazing player even without Mcjesus but he’s still insane
No hes not, hes a gritty player but without mcdavid hes never even sniffed 30 goals. Do you think its an accident mcdavid has no goals, hes going for assists this year.
@@rogerskitt1542 hyman was literally on pace for 30 goals two straight years before leaving Toronto he just got injured both years
@@KyleMacSkill did he get 30 goals?
Matthews was on pace for 86 at one point this year
@@rogerskitt1542 yes but your point was that hyman never sniffed 30 goals before and it's only because of McDavid. Now he obviously wouldn't be a 50 goal scorer without him but based on his projections those two years he was going to be a 30 goal guy
@KyleMacSkill predictions are not fact. That was kind of my whole point.
Mcdavid is a video game character, he has chosen to get assist not goals this year, he is scary but Hyman getting 50 is actually going to be bad for him. Maybe I'm wrong and he continues at this pace for his career which is awesome, but more than likely he will be back at 26 next year
Bread man
I'll take the franchise altering player every time, especially in NY. So many stars come here and are crushed by expectations.
I'd throw Trockek in this conversation too, he's been otherworldly since coming here.
This really comes down to a matter of perception and opinion, there’s no science to it…
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Panarin has forgotten things that Zach hasn't figured out yet.
5.5 million for 50 goals wins everytime i dont care who you play with. Why nobody else do it like hymen.... 11 million plus players should be hitting 100 point seasons imo and sure Panarin is awesome but he still getting dusted in points by the top 3 beasts where he competes where as name the other 5.5 million guy hitting 50 or even 40
Feel like this is just two completely different scenarios. Panarin is expected to be THE top guy on the team. He makes the big bucks and is the one we count on every night to win games. Hymen is a great complimentary piece playing on a team where he is not THE guy. Hes an amazing player but the expectations don't ultimately rely on him to win games like they do on McDrai.
The sheer points and the personality plus the leader ship makes panarin the better signing absolute beauty fan fav bread all the way
if the Rangers don't have Panarin they are a fair to decent team living and dying on goaltending. If Hyman signs somewhere else...does it really make a huge difference to the Oilers? Also, Panarin turned downa higher offer from the Icelanders and chose NYR. so :P
The math is simple. Are 2 Zach Hyman's better than 1 Artemi Panarin? If the answer isn't clear then, I don't know how to help you.
Edmonton is just lucky to have Hyman at the cost as it benefits the team more at the moment to sign and compete and that’s what Connor mcdavid needs
More NYR content please!!!!!!!!
Can it not be a tie? Or do you want to take this to overtime/shootout?!?!
Ottawa signing the Murray, the Cat, Tarasenko and Korpisalo were terrible signings. And those are all quite recent. Brutal time to be a Sens fan :(
Cheers brother ;)
Panarin is so much better
Want to see more rangers vids
As a leaf fan, losing hyman still sucks to this day but I completely understand why he wanted to leave lol
As noted it's the salary level that makes Hyman the better signing.
my vote goes to hyman because that name just can't be beat
Every 10 goals is worth $2 million/year
Every 20 assist is worth $1 million/year
50 goals, 70 assists is 13.5 million worth of a player.
Hyman!
I think for Edmonton with superstars/franchise faces already in place, Hyman is clearly a better signing/fit. Panarin makes sense for the Rangers situation.
does the oilers signing Hyman get brought down by signing Campbell to 5x5?!?!?!
Hyman is a beauti
Panarin is by far the better signing even when you consider salary. He doesn’t need $21mil worth of line mates to produce.
Work ethic comes into consideration as well as points per dollar, hands down zach Hyman
You haven't seen Panarin this year. He's going into dirty areas and fighting for ice out there.
My guage is this. Could another player of roughly hyman's salary from another team do what he's doing if they played with McDavid. Chris Kreider gets paid 1 mil more than Hyman. He scored 50 without Connor. Put Kreider with McDavid, and Kreider scores 60+. Hyman is probably on par with Kreider total player-wise, so he's a better value than Kreider for sure, but that's not the debate. My point here, though, is that another player could do what he's doing for close to the same money.
But there's another huge difference between Bread and Hyman. Bread is paid to be batman. Hyman is paid to be Robin. And don't get me wrong, he's a *great* Robin. But it's Batman that gets paid.
It's an interesting debate. But to me, the Rangers pay Panarin to make them the team they are. The Oilers pay Hyman to assist McDavid in making them the team they are. But does that make Hyman the better free agent signing? I personally don't think so. Without Panarin, this team falls apart. Without Hyman, the oilers go find another Robin. Panarin is WAY more of a good signing.
Or in another way, could you take that player and plug him into any other team in the league and would they produce near what they currently are? Panarin yes, Hyman no. Hyman has 2 of the top 5 centers in the league on his team and yeah, he's got a great shot, but without the assist from mcdavid or drai, is he getting anywhere close to 50+ goals on 80% of the other teams? Whereas with Panarin, you could plug him into the blackhawks (very questionable about the ducks or sharks, they are really bad now) and he's still going to be a PPG player minimum.
Oil have the worst free agent signing too with Campbell
Let’s go Rangers!!!
remember when ranger fans were trying to figure out how to offload his contract after last seasons playoffs? XD
Those fans are the same ones who want to move on from Mika and think Connor Mackey should replace K'Andre Miller. Connor Mackey played one game and got in a fight dontcha know. ther will always be people who don't know what they have. Columbus lost him and floundered. They could replace Bobrosky with decent production. Still haven't replaced Panarin.
Panarin would be doing what he's doing wherever he signed. Hyman would not be doing what he's doing without McDavid. It's a no brainer who the better signing was. Media just says stuff like this because they know anything that riles up Leafs fans will get clicks.
Hyman has 20 goals 13 assists if he isn’t on McDavids line.
The reason why we fired Dubas
All I gotta say is look at the leafs and then look at Winnipeg
Please more rangers vids
pls more rangers videos
Yes!
The fact Hyman is only one goal away from 50 and can push 60 is insane
Cheechoo did it
More rangers please
As a Leaf fan I miss Hyman
Hyman sucked on the leafs, because the leafs suck and he couldn’t play to his potential there.
The Bread Man simply takes the cake. Even though his salary is higher what he's done for the Rangers is unbelievable.
Is he twice as good as hyman?
@@brandonhall9959 hard to say. They’re both having career years so you’d have to go back and look at past stats
yes, he is. Playmaking, passing, puck handling in addition to scoring.@@brandonhall9959