@Jari Varjosola I must try to drag some of my old VHS tapes out and see if I can transcribe them, have a few from the early years when McRae was winning the world champs
I feel this era was heavily overshadowed by Group B. Don't get me wrong, I love Group B as much as the next guy (The Sport Quattro and The RS200 being two of my all time favourite cars should be a good indication of that) But when looking back on days of rallying past people just tend to overlook the late eighties and early 90s. There were some awesome cars here, like the Lancer Evo, the Impreza 555, the Celica GT-Four, the Escort RS Cosworth and of course the Delta HF Integrale. And then there were the drivers, Mcrae, Makkinen, Sainz, Kankkunen etc. And of course you can't overlook the much-improved safety standards. There's a reason Group B was banned, and Group A fixed that.
They were also ingeniously cheating in those golden years with those Celicas and got caught in 95 lol. The WRC had restrictor donuts that would go in the intakes to reduce airflow.. The way Toyota cheated was they made it so when you tighten the hose clamp for the restrictor, it pushed inward, making air bypass the restrictor gaining +50hp and whenever the WRC would go to check the cars, they would loosen the hose clamp, moving the restrictor back into place, and when they open it, all seems correct. The only reason Toyota was caught was from a snitch.. they probably would have gotten away with it all if it werent for that. It's crazy that Colin McRae was keeping up and even beating the cheating Celicas.
Thank you so much for this content. I've been to this rally since being a little kid and watched through all the VHS tapes of the event from the late 80's onward, but they are all Finnish broadcasts. Now, it's been so many years since I had a working VHS player, but this video brought up my childhood again with the scenery of my hometown and such great memories. I could have well been that kid at 12:30 in the video (not me but a definite look-alike!). I hope you keep doing what you are doing - flat out!
I recall reading that the ST-165 ran with the lights up because of regulations and to allow the engine better cooling. Dunno about this generation though
They tried to run the st165 with permanently attached headlights for aero reasons but they were quickly forced to return to the road going pop up configuration, probably becouse of some part of the homologation rules.
Thanks for uploading this gem... Steve Slater's commentary is such a pleasure to listen with these amazing shots... Do you have a copy of the 1994 Rally where Juha drives like a maniac? :) I could find bits and pieces of it and I really want to see the whole race!
Didn't know GT-4s were faster than Subaru...was even more impressed with the French driver that Finished 3rd in the GT-4...he drove like a Defending champ for real...
33:34 WOAH! 51 years old and doing their first rally. That gives me so much hope. It's gonna take forever to get the capital to rally for fun. So maybe I will still get a chance as an old man!
Pretty sure he was taking pictures then once he got his shots and saw the car was going to make it through the corner safely he turned away so as to not get dirt sprayed in his face and camera.
Man, the world was so bright and full of life and promise in the 1990's - Then 9/11 happened and pretty much ever since then we've been in some dark days, under complete surveillance by each other and governments/corporations. It's wild.
Don't talk silly, the ST185 GTfour was scrutineered and deemed legal by FIA scrutineers after EACH race between 1992 to 1995. Even in December 1995 Kankkunen himself said that the ST205 of the official season was very different from the one he tested in December 1994. He said that, when he did the test (with both 185 and 205), he noticed them very Similar, but the 205, despite being lighter, was very nervous compared to the 185 and lacked of "final speed", which evidently Toyota took care of "solving" even at the cost of cheating. The ST185 was not disqualified from that season BECAUSE IT WAS LEGAL and its last WRC victory in the safari rally of 1995 was not taken away from it.
Some people at the high end of the sport were convinced or very suspicious about Toyota's cheating with that car, but nobody at FIA knew where to look and how to catch them. The difficulty was catching them red handed because they did not cheat all the time. The cars were always legal at the start and finish, it was during the rally at specific moments that things happened. In those days service was all over the place and it was possible to "work" on a car without FIA seeing it.
@@AntonyWarmbold Sorry, but you have no idea. Since group B scandals (like Audi's swaps between stages, Lancia's misterious hiden nitrogen in rollcages, Peugeot's "complete overhaul services", etc), FIA adopted rigurous measures for car scrutineers and change the rules for ever. After that, all cars were scrutineed UNTIL THE LAST NUT, another change was that all Teams had to work in the car without any restriction for Official Scrutineers (only for other teams gossipers). That was exactly the reason for Toyota to make a perfectly hidden cheating device inside the CT20b of the ST205 GTfour, that only could have been seen by someone very skilled, due to a little fracture in the restrictor plate (most ingenious device ever). After the cheat was discovered, FIA paralized Toyota's rallyes activities and went to TTE workshop to review ST185 and ST165 models and its connection with the CT20b (Lancia was the first interested in ban Toyota's tittles, due to the lack of sales of delta and other models ). FIA saw that CT26 (of the 1st and 2nd gen) couldn't receive that device because turbo spool was slower than ct20b, it has less pressure capacity and it would recquire a complete modification of the lub system and even of the exhaust manifold, to achieve an interesting amount of power (even today), which would be very easy to see and to ban. That is the reason of why FIA decided to keep Toyota's titles and all the victorys of ST165 and ST185 GTFours, even the last at Safari rally of 1995 (with the same engine as the 93 season).
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Hannu Mikkola was a true legend. 51y old, 30th start in Rally Finland and still running with the best in the world.
Sadly that would never happen these days. True talent doesn't age . Didn't know he was 51 that's unreal 👍
@@colinstewart1432 Sebastien Loeb could repeat that tho, he's 47 or 48 when he won Monte Carlo
@@novaldigunturputra495 Sebastian is a phenomenal driver. One of a kind 👍
@@colinstewart1432those sentences make zero sense
RIP Hannu Mikkola, died 27th February 2021, this was his last top-line event, and still going fast.
Agreed. RIP Hannu.
Well said. He was collosal. 👌
Some of rallying's best years, awesome cars and awesome drivers
@Jari Varjosola I must try to drag some of my old VHS tapes out and see if I can transcribe them, have a few from the early years when McRae was winning the world champs
@@splatmanhooha4264 If you do this, you'll be making a lot of Rallying Fans very happy.
I feel this era was heavily overshadowed by Group B. Don't get me wrong, I love Group B as much as the next guy (The Sport Quattro and The RS200 being two of my all time favourite cars should be a good indication of that) But when looking back on days of rallying past people just tend to overlook the late eighties and early 90s. There were some awesome cars here, like the Lancer Evo, the Impreza 555, the Celica GT-Four, the Escort RS Cosworth and of course the Delta HF Integrale. And then there were the drivers, Mcrae, Makkinen, Sainz, Kankkunen etc. And of course you can't overlook the much-improved safety standards. There's a reason Group B was banned, and Group A fixed that.
Yea I miss the group A days. So many great cars and epic battles between legendary drivers.
Group b is overrated
Totally agree. My favourites include the Toyota GT - 4 and the Subaru Legacy. 👍
Group A is one of the greatest things to happen to rally imo. The cars, the drivers, the action, the drama. It had it all.
I say that the 90’s had best drivers and the 80’s the best car’s. I would sell a leg for a peak at prime mcrae in a group b competition.
Toyota's golden years. Really wish they kept making Celica GT4s
They were also ingeniously cheating in those golden years with those Celicas and got caught in 95 lol. The WRC had restrictor donuts that would go in the intakes to reduce airflow.. The way Toyota cheated was they made it so when you tighten the hose clamp for the restrictor, it pushed inward, making air bypass the restrictor gaining +50hp and whenever the WRC would go to check the cars, they would loosen the hose clamp, moving the restrictor back into place, and when they open it, all seems correct. The only reason Toyota was caught was from a snitch.. they probably would have gotten away with it all if it werent for that. It's crazy that Colin McRae was keeping up and even beating the cheating Celicas.
GR Yaris.....?
@@MachtPlays that was the st205 celicas there is no proof they used them on the st165 or 185.
@@MachtPlays also lancia was involved on a few cases of outright cheating themselves but they always kept finding a shady way out.
group B Lancia is a prime example, it's astounding.
This is what TH-cam is for. This is some of the best possible things to be uploaded to TH-cam. Thank you ever so much!!
Glad you enjoy it!
I had two Subaru’s 12 yrs ago and I had a private plate on one, sha 555 They were the days
Rally´s golden years....no doubt about it!
I agree
Thank you so much for this content. I've been to this rally since being a little kid and watched through all the VHS tapes of the event from the late 80's onward, but they are all Finnish broadcasts. Now, it's been so many years since I had a working VHS player, but this video brought up my childhood again with the scenery of my hometown and such great memories. I could have well been that kid at 12:30 in the video (not me but a definite look-alike!). I hope you keep doing what you are doing - flat out!
I've been searching for somewhere to watch rallies for a long time, glad I found your channel
What took you so long? :)
@@VHSRallies life and youtube restrictions
This channel is a treasure.
Thank you for sharing this great content.
So nice of you to say. Thanks.
Love these videos, VHS rallies you are the best!!!!!
this is great any more from the 1993 wrc i remember sitting up late watching rally australia 1993 was awesome such a great year in rallying
Don't know about more 1993. Fact is, much of that season is available to buy as DVD or digital download already.
Yea epic year. I was at the Rally of NZ. McRae was epic.
exelent video .... love to see colin there ... and all the mystic machines of the 90s
You're doing god's work by uploading these! amazing footage
Golden era for rallying...what set of drivers and cars....
Thank You For This!! A Dream To Have a ST185
I remember watching this , on tv , in 93 good times
Thank you for uploading this.
You're welcome
The car Ari driven [L555 BAT] is the same car Colin McRae took to win the 1995 World Rally Championship at the RAC Rally.
Ross Graham well...the same number plate at least 😬
@@RallyStar It's the same car, but with minor changes overall between 1993-1995. www.ewrc-results.com/carinfo/121-subaru-impreza-555/?spz=7758
@@rosegraham5283 Back then they reshelled cars but kept VIN / registrations all the time. Its not the "same" car.
@@prodrive7105 Ah! Thank makes more sense, my mistake.
@@prodrive7105 I see. I thought it was borderline miracle for that car survived for 2.5 season of rallying. Especially with McRae behind the wheel.
I love the use of Loose Fit by the Happy Mondays as the backing tune
When Sky showed interesting content...
Beautiful motors
wow this was truly the pinnacle
Really enjoyed watching this
Kenneth Eriksson and the Evo 1 🗿
Underrated driver, and I love my Evo 1 to death, Evo 1-3 for life
Was it compulsory for the Celica to run with the lights up? Or had Toyota just binned the mechanism to raise and lower on the race car?
I recall reading that the ST-165 ran with the lights up because of regulations and to allow the engine better cooling. Dunno about this generation though
I have a Celica. I find with the lights up it is like having a gun and pointing at a target. You aim for that corner and fire.lol.
They tried to run the st165 with permanently attached headlights for aero reasons but they were quickly forced to return to the road going pop up configuration, probably becouse of some part of the homologation rules.
Probavly the same reason they ran the st185 as they did
Wow, what a great rally channel!
Yours isn't bad either 😉 Guess what I spent lockdown doing....🤜💥🤛
@@colinstewart1432 thanks Colin 😄
Thanks for uploading this gem... Steve Slater's commentary is such a pleasure to listen with these amazing shots... Do you have a copy of the 1994 Rally where Juha drives like a maniac? :) I could find bits and pieces of it and I really want to see the whole race!
all my favorite cars
I wish I could have been around to see this live.
Didn't know GT-4s were faster than Subaru...was even more impressed with the French driver that Finished 3rd in the GT-4...he drove like a Defending champ for real...
I heard the Toyotas were using an illegal turbo with a valve that gave it more power but not sure if it was always in place
@@bassface8580 it was 1995 next model Celica St-205
@@ilkkak3065 oh right cool
Che rally, che piloti, che tempi!
The first impreza with 38mm air restrictor: beautiful!!! 8000rpm
今では『ラリーフィンランド』だけど
当時は『1000湖ラリー』と呼んでいたよね💖
Thank you for this!
Aw, when Rallying was fun and exciting.
Fabulous!
33:34 WOAH! 51 years old and doing their first rally. That gives me so much hope. It's gonna take forever to get the capital to rally for fun. So maybe I will still get a chance as an old man!
Bruh that's the rally legend Hannu Mikkola, by that time he had already won the Finnish rally seven times.
In rally you eather start young or dont start at all, there's simply too much to learn
@@RatBürgerSk8 from a career perspective starting late wont get you that far
Really strong start of the Impreza
Finland, Finland, Finland... the country where I quite want to be...
Hannu set a speed record, He recorded a top speed of 212kmh...
He did that in 1984 as well. With the Audi Quattro S1
I love the escort's sidepipes
RIP Hannu
Real rally racers ...
Photographer @21:52 yeah why bother paying attention when you're on the outside apex of a turn?
Pretty sure he was taking pictures then once he got his shots and saw the car was going to make it through the corner safely he turned away so as to not get dirt sprayed in his face and camera.
unusual road sign was to watch out moose's very common road sign in Finland
Yeah . Hitting a Moose will definitely destroy a car. They safety test for this specifically using something that looks like a pommel horse.
ในกล่องเดิมก็มีmap เปิดมาปรับแต่งตั้งฆ่าได้จากโปรแกรมอะไรก็ไม่รู้?
Excellent 👍🏁
Thanks for the positive feedback. :)
So weird watching Jyväskylä's rally and not having finnish commentary
อยากรู้ป่าวว่าเครื่องรุ่นไหนออกแบบมาดีสุดๆ ปลดล๊อครอบเครื่อง แล้วรองเร่งดูถูกมั้ย รุ่นไหนได้รอบเครื่องมากสุดๆ กี่rpmถูกมั้ย?
David Richards went on to manage the Toyota F1 team. 👽👽👽
กล่องecuมาจากไหนใครออกแบบ?
Man, the world was so bright and full of life and promise in the 1990's - Then 9/11 happened and pretty much ever since then we've been in some dark days, under complete surveillance by each other and governments/corporations.
It's wild.
The ST185 was superior to the ST205. Juha Kankkunen said so.
ผมยังหาโปรแกรมเปิดเองไม่เจอ?
12:51
Beware Elk crossing. Hit one of those and believe me your car is destroyed. 🙈
Nice ❤️
The good old days before stupidity took over
たまらん
Look 👀 not a mark on the car ‘ flying Finns
Kkk's legacy of rally impressive footage is... impressive.
Ari disliked this video👌
peter
แบบนักฟิซซิกส์มาออกแบบรถยนตร์
Is anyone thinking about Toyota and the cheating
No. That was the st205 in 1995 not the st185 in this film.
That was in 1995 with a different celica which was bulkier and less compact
'hex
Some serious cheating going on by tte
Toyota was cheating with that celica 😃
Really? They didn't get caught until the ST205 model, then!
4/11nightnheaven wrong car the st205 not the st185
Don't talk silly, the ST185 GTfour was scrutineered and deemed legal by FIA scrutineers after EACH race between 1992 to 1995. Even in December 1995 Kankkunen himself said that the ST205 of the official season was very different from the one he tested in December 1994. He said that, when he did the test (with both 185 and 205), he noticed them very Similar, but the 205, despite being lighter, was very nervous compared to the 185 and lacked of "final speed", which evidently Toyota took care of "solving" even at the cost of cheating. The ST185 was not disqualified from that season BECAUSE IT WAS LEGAL and its last WRC victory in the safari rally of 1995 was not taken away from it.
Some people at the high end of the sport were convinced or very suspicious about Toyota's cheating with that car, but nobody at FIA knew where to look and how to catch them. The difficulty was catching them red handed because they did not cheat all the time. The cars were always legal at the start and finish, it was during the rally at specific moments that things happened. In those days service was all over the place and it was possible to "work" on a car without FIA seeing it.
@@AntonyWarmbold Sorry, but you have no idea. Since group B scandals (like Audi's swaps between stages, Lancia's misterious hiden nitrogen in rollcages, Peugeot's "complete overhaul services", etc), FIA adopted rigurous measures for car scrutineers and change the rules for ever. After that, all cars were scrutineed UNTIL THE LAST NUT, another change was that all Teams had to work in the car without any restriction for Official Scrutineers (only for other teams gossipers). That was exactly the reason for Toyota to make a perfectly hidden cheating device inside the CT20b of the ST205 GTfour, that only could have been seen by someone very skilled, due to a little fracture in the restrictor plate (most ingenious device ever). After the cheat was discovered, FIA paralized Toyota's rallyes activities and went to TTE workshop to review ST185 and ST165 models and its connection with the CT20b (Lancia was the first interested in ban Toyota's tittles, due to the lack of sales of delta and other models ). FIA saw that CT26 (of the 1st and 2nd gen) couldn't receive that device because turbo spool was slower than ct20b, it has less pressure capacity and it would recquire a complete modification of the lub system and even of the exhaust manifold, to achieve an interesting amount of power (even today), which would be very easy to see and to ban. That is the reason of why FIA decided to keep Toyota's titles and all the victorys of ST165 and ST185 GTFours, even the last at Safari rally of 1995 (with the same engine as the 93 season).