What a Difference an Expansion Makes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- Same Game, Same Time... but what a Change.. At least for me. Where were you during 7.2 compared to 8.2??
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Preach: "What were you doing this time last expansion?"
Me: Actually playing....
so true it almost hit me physically.
I down voted to keep it at 69 upvotes(Nice.), but I couldn't agree more
Playing a wow game that wasn't complete shit. WOD was better than BFA imho
I actually played WoD with friends. None of us play now.
Last expansion, i still had friends playing
I feel that
the feels man.. the feels
Eh... they left when pvp died. So basically when Legion released.
@@xRedNationx who the fuck cares about wpvp... warmode is like whatever.
Arenas are pretty much dead.
Casual BGs are dead.
I legit never had a queue longer than 3 min in the entirety of WoD.
Legion ----> 20 min, hello ???
Thank you scaling and stat template bullshit in addition to pruned classes.
yeah and ofc still no fcking pvp vendors ????????
@@TheRobochicken5494 And thank the stupid pvp gear acquisition methods.
"I didnt want it to be sad."
Puts Majula music in the background.
Majula music and Legion PepeHands
Bear seek seek lest
This time last expansion, I was still playing wow and loving it almost every day..
Yup. Have touched retail once, maybe twice since the release of classic. Cant wait for 8.3 actually, people are hyping it so I hope it will be as good as they say.
@@FGazi-qf1hp if you can stomach the grind to get raid ready again, I hope I can personally but doubts.
@@Giliver I will try to do AOTC because last 2 expansions you got a mount. So yea that would be my target. But normal is also good for me. I don't care so much this expansion. I just don't care. Hoping shadowlands will be better.
@@FGazi-qf1hp pretty much my thoughts exactly. Haha
This comment was felt
This makes me really sad, legion was so full of fun stuff to do that I could play that expansion for 2 more years instead of BFA. It really ended too early.
Mehmet Kurt dude! This!!! When I go farm legion raids/zones, it hits me in the feels
legion had a lot to do.... but you didn't really want to do it (from a top down perspective) as for me/my crowd it was just grinding legendary items, and even having to sit out of 2/3 first kills in ToV which i really liked simply because the god damn mage bracers didn't want to grace me, and the same with losing 99%tile parses on my MAIN because i got bullshit rng for loot and the other mage in the guild who had 12 item levels on me did 600 less dungeons, and would end up 7% dmg higher than me because his trinket was 895, and mine was 865.... absolute fucking cock swallow system; and going from blackrock foundry survival to hfc marks to.... whatever the fuck they thought was fine in 7.0.... having reroll main for the first time to fire mage bcus it basically replaced what survival was for me... promised there would be no class changes... and instantly get hit with fucking class changes.
id give that title to green fire, but yes the mage tower was great
@@richardjones8846 mate you are the reason they turned bfa to shit... you represent the 1% elite min maxers that take the real fun out of a game...people play for fun.. belive it or not RNG legendaries were fun, there were 1000 videos of 1st expressions and if you did not have all the legendaries by ToS you propably werent even playing.. i have a full time job, wife and other activities and i had all of them on 3 chars:) by ToS.. cheers no disrespect
Private servers exists. Check freakz. Currently on 7.2.5 with 7.3.5 releasing in March.
Legion was an absolute blast and mage tower was the best idea ever. I had endless amounts of fun. Classes were a blast.
I didn't last one raid tier in BFA.
The Mage Tower... the best single player content WoW has ever had
facts
Withered army training tho
/s
But to be fair, at the very beginning, if you got the wrong two legos, you could basically delete your character and try again. It took me five legos to get a good one (and it was even the holy priest cloak), but I only stuck with it because I wasn't too active at the beginning and could wait for them to fix it.
So yeah, Legion also had the worst character progression system to ever be implemented into the game. And that wasn't even paragon levels.
I find it pretty tragicomic that singleplayer features is praised in what is supposed to be a MMO game.
Legion was still dogshit though...
loved Legion, played all the time. I raided, did mythic plus, cleared class campaigns on multiple characters. In BFA I just quit.
Legion was the first time I ever got into raiding. I played briefly back in the twilight days of Vanilla and BC, however, this was the first time I dedicated the time to improve as a player. It was an expansion of firsts, where I got to learn how to survive in harder content (Nothing crazy like Mythic, but for a newbie like me, Heroic was an entirely new world for me). I learned how to play my mage effectively and then later, fell in love with Rogues and Feral Druid.
Feral druid was my first and hardest mage tower (as I was still very much a noob at feral at the time) and I distinctly remember air punching as I got that artifact skin before the buffs to Feral druid dropped. I still have that screenshot saved, at approximated 11:24pm August 24 2017. That will be and likely always will be one of my most favorite memories from Legion, as I had something to prove to myself back then.
Legion was amazing for me, and I made quite a few friends that I still keep in touch with to this day, despite not playing WoW anymore at this time.
Yeah, I essentially have the same story . I hope Shadowlands will overshadow Legion
Similar story, Legion is when I first got AoTC and began venturing into mythic, this expac I missed CE Uldir, got close to EP now :)
I mean... really ???
mage tower in august ? then it means you had tomb gear, which rendered mage tower almost trivial. try june mage tower.
7.2 goal: "Damn, I'm so close with MT. Need to do better, stupid me!"
8.2 goal: "Damn, I have to login? Eh, forget it, I'll just watch Harry Potter instead."
I dont think anybody ever will say Legion was the "GoaT of WoW expansions", but compared to BfA, the difference in quality between the two is humongous.
absolutely. legion had its problems like preach mentioned in the video with legendary system. plus the massive rng and the alt unfriendliness at the start with the ap grind and the artifact weapons. but despite all that it still was one of the best expansions wow had since bc
Hey at least if you've been cappee on neck level you basically get 2k gold daily from the cache lol. Legion I miss you.
yeah even wod is better in my opinion which i did not think was even possible
Its surprising how a couple of core game systems can bring the entire experience down. You can have hundreds of artists and animators, world designers, etc., but if the core systems, which I imagine are maintained and created by a handful of people, are bad, then it renders everything else bad. Its like a rock in your shoe that you can't get out. You could be in the best place on earth, enjoying time on the beach, having a drink, etc., but that rock in your shoe will just ruin everything if you don't get it out.
Jaigarful I agree but that’s not surprising at all. Of course nothing else will make up for core systems being shit. Of course the vacation will be shitty if there’s constantly a rock in your shoe
I miss Legion so much.
I know bro, i know.
you and me both brother
You mean even more WQs? No flying on Antorus, the Argunite token gambling?
I miss MoP so much
Nightstalker314 among other things, yes
What I did at this point of Legion? ... played the bloody game... now I'm not even subscribed.
By this time last expansion I was gearing up all my alts to grind that mage tower.
Legion was the first time I played a character from the beginning of the expansion, to the end. First time I raided. First time I wanted to push myself. Legion just had something about it that made me wanna be a better player. BFA, I only came back recently to get flying. That's it.
i tried to get flying but then i though im never ever going to come back here for any reason i hate this island i hate this expack. so i unsubbed.
World of Warcraft: Legion was the first, and as of Battle for Azeroth, is still the only, WoW expansion that I did not play on release. In fact, I had genuinely mentally and emotionally left the game for the first time since I started playing WoW in October 2006. I had stopped playing soon after Patch 6.1, and didn't even look into Legion at all when it was announced.
To answer Preach's question, *near the end of Patch 7.2, I still had not returned to the game!*
It wasn't until November 2017, several months after Patch 7.3 had released, that I looked into World of Warcraft again. It was entirely the lore and story that piqued my interest, and wanting to see the lore of the Third Invasion and of all the artifact weapons was only the reason why I subscribed again for the first time in two years.
Legion did not disappoint, and while The Burning Crusade will always be my _favorite_ expansion, I believe that Legion was Blizzard's _best_ expansion. Everything came together for Legion in a way that makes me feel that another invasion of the Burning Legion, this time portrayed in World of Warcraft, is the scenario this game always needed, and it's what inspired the development team to create that masterpiece of an expansion.
I'd hoped the magic would continue with Battle for Azeroth, but instead this expansion is a severely stripped-down version of Legion. It's lacking not only in good lore, stories and content, but it's also missing that spark of inspiration that I could feel so strongly during Legion. It's as if their well of creativity was depleted for this expansion. Maybe Zandalar & Kul'Tiras, and the Fourth War, didn't end up being as cool as they'd hoped they would be when the subject of this expansion was initially decided.
Once again, I have drifted away from World of Warcraft. I played BfA on launch for a month or two, was gifted a six-month subscription, and ended up playing only a few days-worth during that entire half-year period. In 2019, I returned for Patch 8.2, and played two months. After not playing a couple of months, I spent gold on a WoW token in November to experience the 15th anniversary events. I only played a couple of weeks of that time.
I have now been unsubscribed for a month, and have no plans to return to World of Warcraft. I haven't played the game with friends or even a guild in years, and the only person I know currently playing the game is playing Classic, which I have no interest in. I am not inspired by either the setting of the Shadowlands or what we know of it's gameplay so far, so I am not excited about that, either. I hope and expect to enter the real-world Shadowlands before that expansion is released, so it's irrelevant, anyways.
Since it's likely that nobody will ever see, much less read, this comment, all the time i took to share my thoughts and experiences is also irrelevant. TH-camrs only implore us to leave comments because it rises the rankings of their videos. Most comments will never be seen by a human being. For high-traffic videos, there's a tiny window where if someone sorts by "newest first," then they might see your comment. If not, it goes into the hundreds or thousands of messages that require so much scrolling, there's no chance it will ever be seen. TH-cam's comment sections are not conducive to getting your messages seen, though since this video is a few days old, it has a higher chance of being seen by someone sorting "newest first."
Now, I copy and paste my standard footer for comments I make to big, high-traffic videos:
(The current design for TH-cam's comment system is absolutely terrible, so I doubt anyone will even see this message, and it will get lost in the vast void in between "Top Comments" and "Newest First".)
Maybe Preach didn't get the chance to read it, but some of us did.
bro legit im sorry but it's not the comment system. no one is reading this absolutely chinese wall of text
Damn, I don't like people like you. Read the text but the last few sentences make you seem like an idiot lmao
"I hope and expect to enter the real-world Shadowlands before that expansion is released, so it's irrelevant, anyways."
You should find someone to talk to about it.
d i n n e r b o y ア ニ メ 王
Lmao, “Chinese wall of text.” Good one
Same story for me, loved Legion, even played my many alts and enjoyed the shit out of it, it was the immersion from the class campaigns that did it for me.
BFA however.... initially it was okay, bit bonkers with the gearing of course, but storywise it was okay, but having to regrind the same things over and over again just made the thing unplayable for me.
I've quit the game until Shadowlands rolls around, and hopefully the initial launch of that expansion will keep my wow-senses tinkling for more than just one playthrough on a main character.
Keep up the good work, Mike, and happy holidays to you and your familiy :) Love the streams and the videos you put out :)
Morten Laursen literally same story for me. i didn’t even have a main i was having a fuck ton of fun on all my toons
This time last expansion I wasnt on a break untill next expansion.
Gardar Darri couldn’t put it any better. Amen.
I swear to god, this Team A Team B expansion development cycle is wearing the game out a LOT
I'm not so sure this Team A/Team B theory is correct tbh. Surely if Team B was that bad they would have all been sacked and replaced at the end of WoD.
To me it feels like the dev team might be too small for a game of this scope, and that wouldn't be surprising either as the player numbers have dwindled and the money has started drying up it makes sense they would cut staff numbers to compensate.
The reason I think this is because it seems like they are too focussed on making lazy throw away content that requires very little maintenance once it's out because they don't have the numbers to fully support one expansion while creating the next at the same time. Garrisons, Island Expeditions (who the fuck came up with this?), even Mythic Plus. Who wants to run the same 10 dungeons for 2+ years, same bosses, same gear, with the only difference being that once every few months the ilvl goes up a bit and we get a new +10 affix, boooooooring.
I just hope that something good comes from them sacking 800 support staff, like using that money to bolster the dev teams so we can get some good, regular content instead of using that money to pay huge bonuses to Activision and Blizzard management.
Kelly Speirs Mythic + is partly why Legion was as popular as it was
@@daneb.9040 Yeah and it was ok in Legion since it was a new feature but now we are in our second expansion with it... it's wearing thin. A gear reset every 4 months that leaves us all in the position of having to farm the same gear all over again, from the same dungeons. How are people ok with this?
Honestly BFA feels more like an expansion to prove a point to corporate overlords. "Let us do what we want not what you think we should."
@@kelly89420 The thing is that Mythic+ has become the new raiding at this point, and there is a good percentage of player base that enjoys the challenges of m+ so they are not going to remove/replace it.
1:52
Proof that Preach's kids are future Mythic Raiders.
Heroic now
Mythic on a couple of years
They need something else
And the doggo is the RL watching the raiders stand on the fire pool.
@@ethereallith no the dog IS the tank
-15? I'm glad for you that you visited Finland in the summer.
Legion as a whole rekindled my love for Warcraft, Two weeks into BFA killed it.
You can't hit me with the Majula music come on Mike
Instantly made me want to play DS2 again.
oh cmon, i rarely get a chance for sad music :D
@@Preachgaming It's good man, good job and happy new year.
I really want to play my DK that i havent touched since the start of 8.2, but everytime i log in, i open the essence window and just log out again. It fcking hurts man.
i know that feel bro
Ole Wiegmann yep. Look at all that mess and log out. Cancel sub. Not worth it.
Bullcrap. I just resubbed to play with some friends and even tho I barely played, I still got afew essences and even rank 2 of them pretty easily. Why are you acting like you need rank 3 of all essences in 1 day and are pushing top5 mythic raid kills when you're just a casual?
@@Diavolo222 is it wrong to wanna optimize your character? As a hardcore ish mythic raider I don't even wanna touch my alts beyond the 2 I had to for raid for the exact reason. Don't sit there and pretend the essence grind isn't a massive slog and some essences aren't trash at Rank 1. He never said he wanted them day one not everyone is ok with mediocrity even if they are casual.
Diavolo222 It sounds like you play on one class or two atleast. To alt all 12 classes like some do while keeping up with your main is a grind that isn’t needed. Especially when some essences are based on individual rep
Legion was the first time I leveled every single class to Max and tried all the specs and I loved them. Now here we are and I can barely bring myself to play my main. Legion had it's issues but at least all the specs were fun.
During Legion especially I was very deep studying on my degree, couldnt be raiding like I wanted to, but I had the Mage Tower and I made for myself the challenge of making it all with all classes. As I couldn't play very often it was a year of planning for gearing and questing and all of it. Was it fun all the time? ofc not. But the thrill of completing the challenge made it amazing when I remember it now and is all smashed together in my mind.
This time last expansion I was running M+ every night for fun and I had multiple alts. This expansion I log on only for raid, and have no alts.
I think I can echo most people's thoughts on this time last xpac, I was having fun, my guild was thriving, I had 4 alts and had fun with it, I sunk almost all of my free time into the game and I felt good doing it. I also remember the frustration and then elation with the mage tower when i finally got all 3 done on my Rogue. This video honestly did make me very sad.
the amount of laughs i had during the mage tower videos you did i think especially on the dk was the best i want to say you said "HOW" a lot in all those videos
BFA so far for myself has been the worst expansion so far... i honestly miss MoP so damned much
While I didn't like the aesthetic, or even most of the content in MoP (Throne of thunder being an exception), I would 100% stand by and say it had the best class design and kept everything fresh enough to make you want to at the very minimum play your alts
@@apex403 Yeah, especially for those of us who played Warlock, Greenfire questline was awesome
@@dominiosss1474 yeah buddy! I got that and the title :) like an early version mage tower from legion
I LOVE solo content like that
Challenging and pushes you to know your class abilities.
Me too man. The pvp was freakin epic
MoP was such an underappreciated expac because too many people got hung up on the "ew pandas" bullshit. Speaking as a mainly PvPer, class design was actually at its best in early Cata because it fixed the gaping holes left from Wrath's god awful class designs (but people forget that because of Dragon Soul bringing down the rest of the expac) and MoP also brought in great class design as well as fixing the PvE to PvP gear issues from Cata.
Did the mage tower on all classes and speccs and its the Most fun i've had in wow i loved it.
Even when I'm not subbed to WoW anymore I love Peach's content because it is some of the best gaming analysis out there even though it mostly focuses on one game in the form of WoW. I feel like Preach could easily branch out and talk about more games if he wanted to though!
For me 7.2 was pretty much peak WoW for me, which is really strange because ive been chasing that TBC-WotLK "high" for so long and never could recapture it....until 7.2. That was the first time that I truly fell in love with the game in YEARS.... and sadly, it faded with 7.3 and onwards.
So why was this so? Well, I joined a pretty hardcore raiding guild for the first time in a long ass time. This wasn't just any guild, this was an old and proud guild on my server that I had looked up to from when I first started playing. I would walk around IF as a noob and see all these crazy geared people and they were in this guild. These guys got all the server firsts in TBC and many in WotLK, and then faded after that... being reborn briefly in many expansions over the years but never sticking around too long. Anyway, they were recruiting again in Legion and I joined as a healer. I quickly ascended to the top of their ranks. By mid ToS I was the top rated holy paladin on my server!
For the first time since WotLK I made tons of new friends. I loved this raiding team so much. I immensely enjoyed Tomb of Sargeras as well, probably my favorite raid of all time. I think this is in large part due to the whole raiding guild experience though, rather than the raid itself. Still loved the raid regardless... with all the soaking going on, there was so much raid damage to heal thru and I found it so fun.
Near the end of 7.2 I had to quit WoW for a while. When I came back at the end of 8.3 the guild had died again due to some drama with the old leader not wanting to relinquish control and we couldn't recruit enough people or something. Even though the guild is dead again, its still my dream guild and I will spend the rest of my WoW life here. Maybe.
TLDR: joined my dream guild, and an actual raid team for the first time in years. Made new friends for the first time in years. Loved the patch's raid content on top of that. Makes me wonder how much more I would have enjoyed WoW over the years had I joined a real raid team in other expansions.
Don't forget, 7.2's quest campaign on the Broken Shore was one of the worst ever added to the game.
Legion was a beast of an expansion. I played nearly every day. I've played very little of BFA. I loved Mythics, but the dungeons in Legion were much more enjoyable to me.
The expansion needs to be solid by the end of beta, not on launch, ppl were enjoying launch wod and launch bfa and they both got increasingly worse.
Legion launch wasnt perfect but the beta was solid.
ah the majula theme... precious memories
oh and mage tower... i want it back so badly :´(
nothing i do in wow nowadays feels so good like getting a mage tower done...
The Majula music... hits me right in the feels.
My memories of Legion aren't so rosy. The early artifact power and legendary grinds wore me down and made me drop out of Mythic raiding partway through Trial of Valor. I didn't actually get one of my class's good legendaries until after 7.2 while other people playing my class had them in the first raid. By the time all these issues were fixed and Legion was actually good, half my friends had abandoned the game already.
And when BfA launched and all those same early Legion issues started showing up, I bailed on the entire game fast, and only popped back in once to see if maybe, like Legion, they'd fixed some of it down the line. They hadn't.
This time during 7.2 I was pretty much done with preparations for Argus on my main and was working on getting legendaries for the few alts I enjoyed, which made them even more fun to play. Fire mage, shadow priest, havoc dh, and both unholy and frost dk. I had a blast alt raiding with these characters, not because the raid was good (in fact ToS was pretty garbage), simply because the specs themselves were so. fucking. good.
Ultimately that's what I miss about Legion the most, having good classes to play. Almost all of them feel like empty shells now.
*sits in a rocking chair, watching over the neighbourhood*
Oh, 7.2... those were the days. Logging in, doing emissaries, building all the stuff on the Broken Shore; gathering herbs, mining, brewing potts and flasks, crafting legendaries by my own hands, doing all the damn fishing and the list goes on for fucking ever. I watched a ton of your videos, alongside with Nobbels and Nixxioms content. I tried to teach my rp'ing friends on how to raid Nighthold Normal (it was futile in the end), I was working on multiple Balance-of-Power-questlines (and unlocked the skin for the Scythe of Elune), I did Nighthold Heroic regularly on my main mage, I obtained the "Dreamer"-title on my druid; I watched the baby-moonkins dance in the Druid Order Hall... I played so many characters because I wanted to get my hands on every single class mount. I had fun playing M+, I tried the Mage Tower (and yes I sucked monkeynuts on that one), hell I even played a bit of arena.
But now, *sighs*, my sub has ended a few months ago. In the summer of 2019, I gave in and payed for a month, to see what it's all about. I leveled my DK to 120, I tried my hand on Darkshore (which was what lured me back into the game), I did a few Mythics and... that's all. I could not even bring myself to play a Horde-toon. I haven't unlocked flying or even World-Quests. I was rather doing Legion-content (or even WoD one) than playing the actual AddOn.
Something has died inside of me when Legion ended. I do not know what it was, as I was so hype for BfA! Finally, a proper faction conflict again! What will happen to Lordaeron? What will happen to Jaina returning home? Oh boi, oh boi, oh boi! But... I could not bring myself to it at the end of Legion. I want to love it, I want to embrace BfA, I really, really do. But I can't. *a single tear rolls down the cheek*
I am back to SWTOR again, the MMO that will hopefully give me my happily-ever-after.
I know Legion has hardcore rose-tinted goggles at the moment but dear god I just wasn't motivated to play. Lego farming, AP farming, Mythic ToS, it was a rough time.Plus Legion just killed Blood DK with the crappy Bone Shield mechanic instead of letting us have Breath.
Last Expansion, I was actually playing the game.
My first raid I ever stepped into was argus, I leveled my first character in 7. 1 and .2. I truly fell in love with a completely different game. The fun involved with alts were what kept me sucked in the game constantly. I spent my whole 7.3 getting my alts ready for bfa thinking that the alts were going to be fun just like legion... Feelsbadman
Antorus lol
I loved the mage tower from the start, i mean sure i hated it while doing it but the second i got it done and ever since i look back with nothing but positive feelings. I remember the immense pride i got when i saw that under .5% of players got the tower done
This time last xpac, I remember I had just started a new job, and the consequence was that couldn't commit to the raid times of the guild that I was in. It really sucked since Antorus was a great raid. But tbh 7.2. at first wasn't that awesome, remember getting 1 quest per week from Khadgar? and that went of for what 11? weeks before we got to the actual raid?. CoEN wasn't that amazing either. Think we got concordance in that patch, and so did the forever ap grind begin. We got class mounts and assaults, those were nice little things to do and to level up your alts. And yeah ofc we got the mage tower, that turned around to be really good content, but personally I cba'd doing those in the beginning. I rather took the easy way and did those with Antorus gear.
But overall I really liked Legion, never before had I been subbed for a full expansion, but Legion managed to do that. Even times when i didn't raid, farming old content for mounts, mogs etc... was fun because of speed sets and bear tartare.
yeah I found this video oddly off. I mean everyone has there own experiences. Legion was a fantastic Expansion no questions but specifically the patch 7.2 was honestly crap. Mage Tower at launch felt largely inaccessible to most. The Broken Isles was insanely underwhelming in content. The trickling of "story" was an embarrassing joke especially after Suramar. Cathedral was way overtuned and no one literally no one wanted to play it. ToS I'd argue was a shit Raid with serious tuning issues. Mistress killed a lot of mid tier Mythic guilds. And do I need to even mention the massive overtuning of KJ? Even top world first guilds complained it was way overtuned and not fun.
Honestly when 7.2 came out most just fell back on farming alts because most of the new stuff was either incredibly boring or way overtuned hard. Tuning was a complete mess. They fixed it and down the line people loved things like Mage Tower etc but during the actual patch it was pretty shit.
I levelled every class to max during WoD because there was simply nothing else to do, plus having 11 garrisons was crazy easy money for dozens of free WoW tokens, everyone was doing it and destroying the economy so I joined the doomsday party too, learned everything about the different classes and even levelled my first alliance character. Legion was incredible and I only played 3 characters because there was so much to do, world quests seemed fresh, random legendaries were exciting and people were out in the world again like an MMO should thank god, the Demon Hunter was awesome and jumping straight into Legion avoiding all the boring old content with a fresh character felt so good, artifact weapons quests and lore incredible, class halls so awesome and alive with players, you actually got a feeling of roleplaying similar to Classic, even if most of it was cosmetic and just a tip of the hat to the old lore. I didn't even play BfA and never will, people were telling doom and gloom about it in the beta before it even released, you could tell it was going to be a failure if they didn't even get the start of the expansion right, the collectors edition was digital garbage with a price hike (no physical soundtrack/behind the scenes disks). Will likely play through it when it's free with Shadowlands but for now I enjoy Classic because it feels like a game and not a cynical Skinner box.
So from someone who actually quit in WoD, it seems like they're hitting every other year ever since Cata. Cata=baddish with a couple of upswings, Mop=good despite people's complaining early(and my golden time), WoD=lowest of the low IMHO, Legion=wonderful or so I've heard, and BfA=frustrating to play. Maybe that means the next expac will be good. Maybe not.
I've courted the idea of returning here and there, but I really don't think I'll get my aforementioned golden time back. MoP is gone, along with the nights spent laughing like hyenas on Skype, raiding multiple characters and loving the play style, and even the half-assed attempts to roleplay that never quite went off the ground. It's gone. Just memories now.
Sorry about the rambling. I just still feel like such a big part of my life is staring back from the void.
Panadaria just didn't appeal to me honestly, I'm not sure how its ended up being remembered to fondly, no one had a good word to say about free loot island back then. Personally I started playing in wrath and on the face of it, that had everything, it was closer to classic wow on many ways early on and by the end what we have to day, but I would say a great balance all in all.
@Trubshaw Baby
Pandaria was a pretty great expac fro PvPers at least. I didn't raid then so I don't know about that, but overall the class design was well done and they fixed the issue Cata had with PvE gear dominating PvP. Being a PvPer in MoP was a time to be alive.
Wrath class design was actually complete garbage that got fixed in early Cata. Cata _would've_ been a golden expac for WoW had it not been for Dragon Soul destroying half of it's existence.
@@NinjaKittkatt I pretty much only pvp, well lowbie arena and bg. but I remember rogues and mages being utterly broke for most of the expac lol
@Trubshaw Baby
Which expac? Cata or MoP? In Cata, since Dragon Soul took up over half the expac's run time you're not wrong that rogues and mages were OP, however that had a LOT to do with the PvE gear screwing everything up. It wasn't even the legendary staff or daggers that were the issue as much as it was the trinkets from Dragon Soul being completely broken. As well as some classes having broken PvE tier 2 sets that were mandatory for them in PvP like MM hunters.
That's why I pointed at early Cata, mostly meaning the first season as being possibly the BEST arena season to have ever existed. Season 9 was before Firelands and Dragon Soul so there wasn't any broken PvE gear to screw it all up. Were some classes still broken? Yea of course. I was a rogue main and even I can admit that Recoup was beyond broken with its over healing and energy regen but it didn't matter because overall people were having fun and almost every class and spec were viable for high ranked arena.
@@NinjaKittkatt I miss my monkey in cata with its throwing cc ability
I was getting the greatest staff to ever be created in the game, the disc priest challenge staff... I had been a casual player since 2007 when I joined WoW... when I finally got that staff I felt like I had achieved transcendence...
5.2 was, and remains, my favorite patch ever. Isle of Thunder was fucking awesome. I loved the groups of people hunting rares and doing dailies. Class design was still full of depth and ToT was pretty good. It wasn’t necessarily my favorite patch thematically, but it just got the job done so well. My only grip moving forward in the expansions has been the devaluation of gear across content. It’s not boring to run Black Temple for loot during Sunwell-It gives you loot that is meaningful across the entire expansion. WoW needs meaningful professions and BiS lists again, end of story.
Haven't had an active sub since wod but still follow preach because it's preach. Plus I hope the game will one day go back to some form of the glory days.
god i remember when isle of thunder came out...... i was so engrossed in that, best part of pandaria tbh, plus it was an area that never had flying so you actually experienced the zone and played the game instead of soaring through the sky, poofing straight down, tagging a boss for a half second and completing your world quest and flying away again. The interaction that players have anymore feels very solo mode for an MMO. Draenor felt like it could never fix the problems it had, legion they were doing so well because honestly you put anything next to a burning building and it's going to look better by comparison. Draenor had so much potential but blizzard shit the bed with the systems that had so much to offer but delivered poorly. I gotta say though, mage tower was the most i ever got tilted with the amount of 5% wipes of kruul or just getting thrown off the map because of my own stupid error. Legion was great, but i don't know if it was great because of what it offered or just because it wasn't Draenor.
great video mike, here is hoping for Shadowlands to have a great start!!
also the music in the background .... dark souls 2 town music perhaps? it sounds so nostalgic
Also one of your best videos after a while. Last very good video was IMO the "my 5 hopes for blizzcon" which was on similar type as well. I like to see you doing weird funny stuff IRL etc... have a nice new year preacher!
I was actually raiding, now im just recruiting officer for my guild and 50% of our best players quit in Uldir. Soooo yeah, its sad out there...
In Legion, i played on the relatively new EU server - we were a 2-day raidguild. One day, in the midst of Nighthold progress a 3 Day mythic raid guild transfered to our server & caught up to our progress really, really fast. We were both at Guldan Mythic - progressing like nothing else.. And we beat the 3 day guild to it and got Server first Mythic Gul'dan. Still the best day of my WoW life. We never again caught up to them, we're were still rival's - until BFA killed my guild. RiP
new eu server? there nto been any new servers since wrath
It's almost like the only group that actually did their jobs this expansion was the art department and cinematics department. The dungeons suck, the raiding actually was okay, but they can't lean on that alone.
I LOVED 7.2.
I gave up on mage tower, (did it later in 7.3) but as you did, I levelled and played all classes.
Unlocking artifact traits was awesome, all specs were fast-paced and fun, and the random legendary drop was amazing (as long as you had your BiS on your main) as everything you did made you 1 step closer to another legendary !
Each week I not only did +9 or +14 on my alts... I also played the alts depending on my mood. I want to play a fast paced caster? SP it is! I want to raid or dungeon... mhh.... Raid it is !
It was amazing just to... play World of Warcraft.
Right now I'm bored because I have nothing to do on my main and I don't want to do anything on my alts. Having the essences and neckglace levels locked on character makes alts unplayable.
Damn I miss Legion so much!
Great vid mate. Legion was a great time and definitely smoothed itself out.
Legion was so amazing, I played so many characters at max level I have only ever dreamed of getting past level 30. Raiding was fun, for me Antorus was brilliant, as I was getting into main tanking and actually having a goal to get Mage Tower done on all tanking classes. I got 3/6 done (warrior, druid and demon hunter) because sadly the other three classes weren't at max level, and still isn't in BfA. I recognized at the end of Legion how good of an expansion it really was, and that it would be missed by many.
Even though legendary drops was shite at some points, the uniqueness of playstyles they implemented was magnificent. Artifact weapons was shite at the beginning with all the AP grind, but so many perks who just made your playstyle better in some way or another. Small tweaks of mechanics or spells just made you feel better as you leveled up. With BfA, with AP all I see now is iLvl.
Legion, you will be missed my son.
Last time I was this early people hadn’t discovered how bad WoD was yet
WoD was better than Legion.
TheRobochicken5494 not being able to play the game for 3 days on launch. oh yeah it was awesome.
@@Fyrlink Depends all on what you did. WoD was better than BfA if you're a raider. There was far less busy work, all your consumables could be farmed from the garrison, and there was no annoying alt grind. Sure, you had the legendary ring, but that didn't take too long, and it was 1 raid a week. I could maintain 2 mythic raid characters in WoD AND have a life outside of the game, and still find time to PvP for fun.
BfA is better if you like collecting things and that side of the game. Theres far more content and small side stuff for you to do if you like that kindof thing. But I don't.
You absolutely right, I wanted to play every class in legion. The Mage Tower was great, but my favorite part was the Order Halls. I wanted to learn every story at that time from every class perspective. I also loved it when we went to Antorus, that was a great experience for me. The Legion, Velen, Kil'Jaeden, Gul'Dan, Illidan, The Titans. From a Lore point, fantastic!
this time last expansion, I was reading comments of people talking about much of a grind and lamefest legion was.
that time last expansion before that, i was reading comments of people talking about how bad WoD was.
that time in the expansion before that during that expansion, i was reading comments of people talking about how bad MoP was.
the same goes for literally every single expansion except TBC, and that's because most of us veteran players that are still somewhat around to this day started in TBC.
we were all too young to grouch and new to have a reference point to compare TBC to, we just enjoyed the game for what it was, and LOVED the adventure.
i rmr when WoTLK came out, and playing through it all the way through to the end and people just complaining about how easy it is now and it's just boring. i disagreed, WoTLK was my prime in terms of development and enjoyment, even though I started in TBC.
now fast forward, everyone who yapped and grouched about it now miss it.
point is, you're all going to complain no matter what, until what you had is gone.
WoD was objectively a bad expansion though, can't even argue on that one.
There are bad and good about every expansion and there will always be complaining, especially with WoW. But if people are not even playing the game anymore, or worse more are playing a 15 year old version of your game instead, you know Blizzard done screwed up big time.
In addition to what you already mentioned and which is most likely true to many of us, i would like to add what this meant for my guild. We are raiding mythic, and once the content is over we continue raiding mythic with our alts. Not because we need them to splitfarm, but because its fun. People were having fun playing their alts, its a whole class campaign, its a massive bunch of things to work for (like mage tower and artifact appearances), its a big storyline where you would only see the complete picture if you played all of the order hall questlines. So we had three diffrent alt raids, we were hanging together almost every single evening doing something together.
This time? People are tired of the grinding. They dont play their alts, because its a pain to farm the essences. They are not motivated to play the boring war campaign over and over again. Now, we meet once a week for the main farm raid, and some another date for a sellraid, thats it. And it makes me very sad. I completely understand that social issues are most of the time player generated, but who could blame someone to stay away and play other games when the one game which brings all of us together is just not fun?
Exactly the same
Going over my account armory legion has everything done
Bfa I’m barely necklace level 62 lol
Preach "A good start to shadowlands dictates how the rest of the expansion goes." Blizzard: Not a word about class design. Looking good...
I mean tbf they are changing a LOT. They might just have other shit they want to talk about. But still, you right.
While the Mage Tower is the second best system (for me) that they've added to the game, it really was the only thing that carried 7.2 for me. Tomb of Sargeras was awful, the Broken Shore as a zone was boring thanks to the frustration of nethershards and how buildings were constructed, and the class mount stories were short and uninteresting. 8.2 isn't really any better and the essence system absolutely suuuucks for alts, but I certainly don't think it's "7.2 was great". No, Mage Tower was great. Mage Tower was phenomenal. 7.2 was bad, 8.2 is bad.
In 7.2 I was pretty much just running mythic+. In 8.2, I'm also pretty much just running M+, but this time it's only on one character rather than 2-3 alts too. Some of that is because of the essence system, some of it is because classes just feel worse in BFA than they do in Legion.
7.2 was for me getting back into the game for more then a month. The past 2 years have been the most consistent time in wow since Wrath. What kept me playing in 7.2 was finding a Cesspool Guild, finding a few friend there, and us breaking away to make our own guild. Although now in retail I have no ground like that, and I been lucky to find a ground in classic. Although with myself not playing retail the last 6 months I been running out of gold to pay for my subscription.
I never completed a single Mage Tower fight. Tried it once, when it first came out, and was like, "...Eh, I'll come back to it later," and just...never did. It's odd, because I enjoyed Proving Grounds in Mists, though I never got higher than stage 19 on Endless when it was still relevant in MOP.
So, what was I doing in 7.2? Not really playing. Legion was the better-made expansion, for sure, but I can't really say I enjoyed the expansion all that much, by and large. To me, Legion was such a knee-jerk reaction to the disaster that was WOD, that the first reveal of it made me think of it as, "Fanservice: the Expansion." The core design philosophies that people hate in BFA got their start in Legion--it was just masked with better storytelling, throwing in a bunch of heavy-hitting lore characters, and a timely patch cycle. Without those bells and whistles, as was the case in BFA, the core design of the game falls apart, because the core design of the Legion-style game _isn't about fun_ to Blizzard; it's about "player engagement," and that is precisely how we end up with an expansion like BFA--they prioritized, "Does this sell?" over, "Is this product actually good?"
Also, kudos for Crypt of the Necrodancer OST. Danny B is bae.
This time last expansion my raiding guild hadn't slowly faded away into hiatus due to lack of recruitment
Uh, I didn't even last a month in Legion and went to a different MMORPG just because I didn't want to deal with it anymore.
Mostly because of the WoD -> Legion transition was awful. Got burnt out on WoD and didn't want to play anymore.
Patch 7.2: I had a guild, was progressing, enjoying the game as a whole for the first time in forever. Our guild wasn't the best, but we worked our butts off and every bit of progress felt important.
Then I took a break as I usually do towards the end of an expansion to refresh for new content.
Patch 8.2: My guild had disbanded while I was gone because most of them had grown bored of the game. The people left had reformed on different realms, and I didn't have the money to join them. I went from core friends I had been with since WOTLK, great times in raiding, great chats and even better memories, to being utterly alone and having no one to play with. I'm typically not a depressive person, but it hit me hard how much the social aspect of WoW was important for me. Even if I was just rep grinding, I had a group of people to talk to or quest with as an option. And the content wasn't fun enough to keep me invested on my own. In this whole huge world with everyone playing around me I felt isolated. Sounds corny I know. So I haven't played, and don't foresee re-subbing in the future.
Makes me sad just thinking about it.
Like, when you have that synergy with a game, and the people playing, there's nothing else like it.
But, all good things....right?
BfA bad, Legion mediocre. People were complaining about apexis crystals in WoD, but artifact power was even worse, as it was a constant mandatory grind. Raids were overall very mediocre in Legion. The legendary grind was bad. Class design was ok. Broken shore and Argus felt less exciting than Tanaan Jungle (except the mage tower). Pathfinder still existed. Every week you had to do a 10+ mythic dungeon for random loot. Maybe it's just me, but I was disappointed in Legion. I had a moderate amount of fun with WoD and a moderate amount of fun with Legion. Nowhere near as much though as with MoP or other previous expansions though.
Back in 7.2 I was already starting to get a couple of mage tower skins on my alts, I basically dropped ToS on the mid of progression due to insane burnout on certain bosses and the team I was raiding wasnt very... amazing at dealing with some of the mechanics on heroic.
I ended up taking most of 7.2 and 7.2.5 doing MT on all my alts it was at 8.3 when I finally decided to go for the last skins I was missing for 36/36 (healing challenge except for Hpaladin I had some knowledge on the class back then and had a good chunk of legendaries and AP I could work with) ended up 33/36 pre 8.3 it might not mean much for anyone else but for me means alot.. antorus was huge for me, so it was legion maybe if I had another raid team I could have enjoyed ToS alot more for sure but the mage tower was just everything I needed back then.
Legion did have its problems, but overall it was a grand expansion.
The raiding in Legion was absolutely amazing, and the lore behind every single boss made it so much better. I also loved Mythic + because it felt fun. In BfA, although its still kinda fun, they designed Mythic + for esports instead of for fun.
People are going to say that they disliked the Artifacts because "everyone had an ashbringer" etc etc, but it felt awesome having one of the highest ilvl artifact weapons because of relics.
idk dude, Legion just brought so much to the game and even through all the problems, Legion brought so many players back (including my brother, he hated WoW).
Shadowlands is looking good on paper, lets just hope they execute it right.
I was lucky enough to play with you in the classic beta,helped gear your warrior up in SM on my shaman JehovaNova(doubt you remember) through multiple runs. I still have a clip from the stream where you called me legendary for cc/interrupts/always having the right totems down. This was a personal highlight for me in my years playing this game,as a 1 arm gamer I tend to ignore mythic raiding not b/c of the difficulty,but b/c of the time commitment and personalities involved in that scene.
In 7.2 I was living high on the hog even in my average heroic raiding guild, I mained a Warrior (Sistaray on Hyjal) and played multiple alts all the while kicking rest of the melee dps asses using a 20 button mouse and 4 button footboard. When 8.2 hit I had to play catch up but the content just wasn't enough to keep me subbed,partly it's my fault for switching sides for first time ever and leveling a boosted warrior on a medium server,but I just never enjoyed BFA as a primarily melee/tank character. The fact that MicrotransActivision-Blizzard bent the knee for Winnie fookin Pooh was the last straw, I haven't even played retail classic. Despite building a new monster Ryzen rig I have moved on to much more enjoyable games like Red Dead Online,Hitman 2, and Hunt Showdown. For the first time in over 15 years I built a new pc and WoW was not the first game I tested, dunno if I'll ever come back.
Really hope you'll follow TB and step back from this steaming pile of design by committee dogsh*t and cover as many games as you can. I've been a huge fan for years and think we need your voice now more than ever! Hope ya have a Happy New Year and I'll try and catch your variety streams as often as I can. Much Love from the Smokey Mountains!
Players in legion: "Legendaries are great but the acquisition method is bad."
This is an issue that could be solved very easily and make a great systems for the following expac, however...
Blizzard logic: "This system (legendaries) has small problems. Therefore we need to COMPLETELY scrap it and make a whole new system which will require A LOT of resources and be very risky."
I don't even remember playing my main when Tomb of Sargeras was actual, because i was burnt out on farming AP/WQ's for chain quests/Flying.
I remember leveling a warlock, just because you did the "Fresh account" series. And i enjoyed it very much.
However, the most telling thing for me is that during 7.2, i leveled up all the classes. That happened because i had an incentive to play at max level.
Class order halls were, to me at least, by far the best thing that i encountered in wow.
Later on, i managed to actually play 80% of them because AK became account wide and the only farm was item farm, which was quite easy with Veiled Argunite.(had around 915-920 on all chars, apart from select few like Hunter, Warlock and Demon Hunter which were closer to 940)
After leveling, i came back to WoW 4 months before 8.0 launched, changed my main to a Shadow Priest(from Resto Druid) and had one hell of a time.
That is until the prepatch came and all went to shit...
For what regards BFA, i've played it for 3 months after launch, only because i had a guild and we were doing some progression.
Couldn't play Shadow Priest, so was forced to go Holy which i didn't enjoy because i did not want to play Healer again for the whole expansion.
Didn't want to change my class. Ergo, i stopped playing after 3-4 Uldir runs.
Had a 1 year pause, found some friends to play with, changed realms and been playing on/off for the past 4 months.
I don't have the same enjoyment to play the game as i had in Legion.
That being said, i haven't done any normal raids. Only LFR and i didn't even played it that much to get the essence from Queen Azshara.
I don't have the same incentive to level alts, since there is not much to do after max level but get more gear and see how the class fleshes out.
That would be enough if the gameplay was nice for 80% of the classes. But since that isn't the case, i only have 2 alts this time around.
I've cancelled and renewed my subscription 3 times these past 4 months =))), just because i get angry at the game being so bad.
All in all, Legion was better from my point of view. I can't see 8.3 being on the same level as 7.3 was for me.
I played alot during 7.3 and 7.3.5.
The only thing that sparks any interest for me in 8.3 are the Horrific Visions. That is it. If that fails to keep me interested, then i assume i won't play until 9.0 releases.
And this time around, i think i'll wait to see exactly how 9.0 is at the beginning. Because i don't want the same experience as 8.0...
I still remember beating Kruul on my BrM and my Guardian druid. That was one of the most satisfying feelings I've ever gotten from a video game.
Kuma Marru true
Leveling up every single class and doing all the mage towers for every spec was the most fun I've had in this game in at least the last 5 years. I was looking forward to logging in every day, I had something to do every day, I enjoyed playing every day - I've quit BFA like half a year ago and haven't missed it a single day.
if Blizzard didn't wait entire expansions to fix fundamental problems with classes, Bfa could have been salvaged. Instead of taking something like azerite armor, and using it to give us the option to change the way we play our specs, it was used as a balancing tool. Removing core abilities, artifact weapons, and legendaries with nothing substantial in return was a huge mistake.
During 7.2 I had finished my mage tower for the dh dps and was working on the tank one while progressing heroic guldan with my now dead guild. Good good times
I saw the first feral on our server get his 7.2 orange kitty from mage tower and was salivating and then decided i wanted to mythic raid, but also become a BETTER player! Also, multi-classing was so easy and felt really fun with the different weapons and how specs felt fun and building the tree in your weapon! I loved the cool little things each class had, one small example was sub rogue in their weapon tree having a skill so you take no fall damage! I was having a great time in raid, getting better and having a blast on alts because there was a reason to level them and be excited to play with them at max level.
People always say “this expansion is trash last expansion was better”. I think that in this case truly legion was a great expansion. Mage tower, class order halls, mythic plus, new pvp system, great quest, and fantastic raids. It was a solid expansion and I miss it a lot.
Yeah, same for me. In Legion, the mage tower kept me going back to alts, mainly because of the transmog and mounts. In order to get them, I learned to play with other specs and classes and it was awesome. I still raided back then and got my first CE achiev.
Now in BFA, I don't raid because I don't have time anymore. I just log in, do my weekly chest and log out.
8.3 will be the same for me as I won't raid again anytime soon.
As a WoW content producer myself, it's being hard to do interesting things to show to my audience and as a player, I really miss quality, engaging and fun content. I hope it gets better in Shadowlands
In Legion I had just joined the game having never played before. 7.2 was my first foray in actual competitive mythic raiding, where i joined an ok mythic raiding guild in top 200 US. Today, I am in a top 30 US guild and continuing to crush it and improve. Never going to stop getting better and finding new ways to slay demons and eat mana buns. And I’m all out of mana buns.
That intro was really nostalgic. Doing all the mage towers was crazy fun. I still remember the day 7.3 very clearly, and now I'm really not that excited for 8.3...
Legion was so much better for me personally because of the diversity of the classes. Because of the individual stories for each class and even spec, I was so motivated to level every single class to see the different stories. Then the class mounts came out and the stories continued!
This gave so much to do and contributed to the majority of my play time. In BFA I’m not really motivated to play anything else besides my main, and even then it’s not exciting.
In Patch 7.2, I was in a raiding guild, grinding nethershards for when the Mage Tower came up, getting my Havoc DH's artifact appearance back in May, 2017, before the Broken Shore's raid opened up. Today, that guild is gone, Im back as a DK main now, with less time to play and not enough to do in WoW right now. What a great expansion Legion was and I have fond memories of it. But I hope Shadowlands does something to recapture my love for the game.
I don't know.
The Broken Shore was a massive piece of flaming ****.
Other than the Mage Tower and class campaign, it didn't offer anything worthwhile.
It had a new zone, but content was there in that zone?
Some bad world quests? Bad world bosses?
Just a very short questline to get you familiar with the boring mechanics of the Broken Shore.
That doesn't take away from the Mage Tower or the class campaigns which were amazing, but it certainly doesn't help. Mage Tower was difficult and a one-time thing for each alt you were willing to train. Similar with the class campaign, you had to level several alts to see them all.
It just doesn't save it.
7.2 was amazing for me, I didn't even have all classes at max lvl so I was lvling some, gearing others, doing story lines for the mount and for the artifact skins and the mage tower ofc and on top of that I was preparing for ToS and still raiding NH if I remember correctly and I just joined a top 100 guild so I had been playing prty much whole day. By the end of Legion I got every artifact skin in the game (not every tint but those I can still get), all the class mounts and lots of fun out of the expansion even tho I had to take a break when Antorus came out. Legion, by far is my favorite expansion, tho I don't have that many expansions to compare them to since I'm relatively new to WoW (started at the end of WoD, played WotLK and Cata on private servers). In BFA... I've been playing on and off, trying to get back into raiding, stopped for multiple reasons but one of the main reasons is that the game just isn't fun outside the raids and m+ and even in the instanced content most classes are boring to play so even that content is kinda ruined for me. I bought a month of game time 2 weeks ago, did few m+, few world quests, got bored, there's just not much enjoyable content in the game and the content that you want to do is locked behind the content that you really don't want to do which makes me not want to play at all and that's a very sad state to be in. I want to play WoW but dammit is it hard to find a reason to play it atm....
The mage tower was probably my favorite piece of content from Legion out of a lot of things that I liked about Legion. I mained a blood DK for a heroic raiding guild. I remember thinking before the mage tower had released, but hearing that it would be challenging, that I would definitely dominate my way through it, after all, I was a pretty well geared Blood DK and I felt pretty indestructible with all the self healing at my disposal... oh how wrong I was O.O It took me about 2 months of countless attempts (probably 200 - 300 in the end) I remember seeing Mythic geared/skilled DKs getting their appearance and being in awe of them, sending them whispers for tips, ever so slowly progressing further and further through the fight. I remember my hands sweating, shaking and my hearth pounding in my chest when I felt like I had a chance to kill kruul, getting so close. The nervous jitters made me play sloppy, I couldn't focus when it came down to the wire. I finally did beat it and the was the high point of my entire WoW career. A massive challenge completed that only I was responsible for for completing. There was no being carried by other raiders or guildies. I remember the exact date actually. May 20th, 2017, a personal holiday for me. By the end of the expansion I am happy to say that I did the Mage Tower on every single class and spec in the game, granted, they were far easier by that time and I think the Tank challenge was easily the most difficult of all the challenges. 2nd most difficult the healing one.
I started playing WoW in 7.2. I met an awesome guild in 7.2 who helped me learn the game and showed me how great this game can be, my Paladins stats were all over the place because I didn't understand how the stat system worked properly, but despite that I was still doing M+10's weekly at least. I was over the moon, it was so much fun, and as the expansion went on I made so many fond memories of the game.
By 8.2 my guild has transferred to a PvP Realm, which is something I don't enjoy so I barely log on. I need to check every piece of gear I get by using addons to see whether or not it's a viable upgrade, which makes it feel like everyone has the same character, and because I barely play anymore, whenever I jump into the game and try and do a Mythic+ someone whines at me that my Raider IO score isn't high enough and I don't get into any groups... This patch is horrible. I loved Legion, and I love Classic. I really hope 8.3 brings some life back to it for me. WoW was my favorite game for the year or so I had it, here's to hoping Shadowlands is great!
Well, you asked for a story.
I agree 1000%. 7.2 was amazing.
I played WoW since the launch of TBC in 2006. I bought Vanilla WoW on a friday, and had to go back to the store the monday after that weekend to buy the expansion because I was already addicted to alts and needed to be able to play a Dranei and a Belf as well. Alt-itis set in real early with me.
I played semi-regularly throughout the expansions, took a break during TBC because Halo 3 came out in 2007. Hadn't maxed out a character yet. I left my Tauren Druid and Night Elf Hunter at 45 each and came back to them in Wrath. In Wrath I hit lvl 80 with my Druid who would be my solid main for the rest of my WoW career. Did my first raid, the remade Naxx, but never killed Arthas during Wrath. (Again, probably because of Halo). On and off in Cata, I was the friend that managed to get people back into the game after they all immediately unsubbed upon seeing the coming Kung Fu Pandas. I convinced them all the story was actually good in Pandaria, turns out it was all tied to the titans and old gods and shit. Also I personally thought the new talent system was the dogs bollocks.
Let's not talk about WoD.
Anyway I came back for Legion, a friend of mine convinced me it would be better than WoD, and it was. Legion is actually probably my personal favourite expansion, but I totally understand why long time hardcore players hated it. The Legendary system did my head in, so I can see why Titanforging would have really made hardcore raiders rage.
For me, however, the sheer amount of content; by way of the class stories, mythic +, the mage towers, karazhan, the weapon skins, as well as all the classic content that had been in the game over the years was enough to push me through despite hating how legendaries worked.
And when it came to those mage towers, I fell in love with them.
I managed to get my Resto Druid and Fire mage - my main alt at the time - during 7.2. It was right at the back end for my mage, but I got them. Then as 7.2.5 and 7.3 unfolded my other toons became more geared and I ended up with 15 of the skins by the end of the expansion.
The difference in difficulties between classes and specs was... interesting. I got my Elemental Shaman on my first try and only really had passing familiarity with that spec during legion, whereas my Prot Warrior - who was probably 3rd in line in my main succession at the time - took me at east 700 attempts. I know that because when I started trying that one I had at least 75000 of the purple shards you spent to get in and by the time I got it I had around 5000 left.
But that Flail is the thing I am most proud of in all of my time playing WoW.
Thinking back though, I think the real reason I enjoyed Legion so much is because of where I was when I played it. I was actually able to make WoW my main game during Legion and I pulled off some stuff I never had before because of it. Completed my first Heroic Raid - Nighthold - as a Pug no less. (Healer privilege baby).
I never did a mythic raid, but I reckon I could have got through one with the right group. My mount collection was massive, I did not need ANY more mounts.
Now for the sad part, (well, it's both happy and sad) I seem to be done with WoW forever nowadays. By the end of Legion I felt like I had a lot of classes and specs at what could be considered an "end point", and I ritualistically spent my last day in the game taking each of them to the place they had designated their home. They had beaten several of the raid bosses including Argus, where we even defeat Sargeras in a way. Back when I started in TBC Sargeras was considered by many to be the eventual Be All, End All big bad end boss of the game that we would "eventually" have to deal with. Now I had.
My Druid Aromni stands beside Hamuul Runetotem on Elder Rise in Tunder Bluff. My mage plays a strategic game of Hearthstone against any comers, at a table overlooking Dalaran where contemplates the past, and my Orc Warrior has found a new life as a tinkerer in retirement, and spends most days at the Engineering shop in Orgrimmar where he learned so many designs during his war years. My point is that Legion allowed me to feel fully satisfied by the game, and I know BFA would not.
I quit because I could see the writing on the wall dude. After WoD I started looking at WoW differently than before. I started to try to sniff out the things that would kill the game for me, BEFORE they came out, based on the trailers and pre-hype. The buzz around BFA, and my own personal feelings, told me I would not enjoy the next expansion, so I never bought it. I subbed for two months during WoD, the first month that immediately put me off, and the month of 6.2 when a friend convinced me it would be better than launch (it was not). So I didn't wanna be burned again.
My buddy continued to play BFA for a little while, but he's quit now too. I've seen the stuff for shadowlands, and it hasn't grabbed me at all. I still keep up on the game, through channels like yours, as it's interesting to follow even as someone who never plans on coming back to the game.
Well. I’ve never seen a preach vid this early before. Thanks for the upload on this quiet Thursday night.
what
brah you hitting the drink?
Even if you were across the International Date Line, how the hell is it THURSDAY!
I must admit. I have no idea how Sunday is Thursday.
I think what alot of people forget is that the release of 7.2 brought back a bit of players. Nighthold, being one of my favorite raids aside from mythic star auger and botantist. A ton of players were geting burned out. some guilds had to swap out just about 5-15 people due to this burn-out. A lot of guilds died during NH and after.
During 7.2 i was just coming back from this burnout. and found myself very behind and had to bring myself back up. Legion to me i have to rank 2nd best xpac for me. i spent the most time playing legion and had the most fun as i felt like i was able to get my name out there as a competitive raider
7.2 was an amazing patch. 1. Mage tower made me want to advance my characters gear and progress. It gave me a goal. 2. There was a lot of new content but most of the content and progress through it could be “self learned”. 3. Legendaries were fun to farm, we never farmed AP in legion but got AP passively through our legendary farming efforts (which blizzard never realized). Broken shore was a fantastic area.
For 8.2 I think of the word overwhelming and draining, too many weekly to do chores in order to stay competitive in our classes, from conquest, to war fronts, to emissaries to islands. It just felt cluttered. Gear is fun to grind but not everything else. If gear is our focus but we get extra stuff along the way us players like that. Mana pearl grinding was not fun, and there was a lot of new content but most of it required a guide book to get through to maximize. I spend so much time doing my weekly in-game “chores” that I haven’t had a lot of time to actually do what I want in game for BFA, which is play it... I would have like to play RBGs more, or push more keys with friends more but oh wait, I didn’t get that one achievement to get rank3 of some essence or wait farmed over 1,000 mana pearls and still never got all BIS benthic. Or wait, I still haven’t put the time in to finish the nazjatar achievements for that mount because I just haven’t had the time. Thanks blizzard for turning a game into work. Some how they got confused and thought “chores” were content. That’s where they missed it the most. We want to self direct as gamers, not feel like we have to do 1, 2, 3, 4 chores each week to just be good enough to keep up with our friends.
I didn't get my tower skins until Antorus was well out. And by god, even being ever so slightly overgeared because of Argus catchup, I still felt like a god getting them. Especially the Warrior tank one, and Ret Paladin. Ret Paladin was the one I took the most time on, was the most "important" for me. The skin was so damn good, I -had- to have it. Leveled a Paladin all the way from 100-110 in less than a week, and geared to the bare minimum of the challenge, and tried. I failed, a lot, and I learned every failure. I went and got more gear, came back and kept learning and failing. And then it all clicked. Just went for it, in Discord with some friends, chatting. And finally got it, and I felt so goddamn good about it.
When I hear that goofy music from the original legacy's. I know I'm in for an amazing video.
Does this mean we can get an updated raid guild guide, office setup, and maybe even a get started on twitch for dumbies video from you good sir Preach? Merry belated christmas and happy new year to you and the family and thank you for the joy and laughter you have brought into my life this past year and of course the information and growth. Cheers.
7.2 - I was doing Heroic progression raiding. I was trying to do my Mage tower and failing hard. I was doing my world quests to grind Artifact power. I was unlocking the various skins for my Artifact Weapon. I was playing almost every day and enjoying myself quite a bit.
8.2 - Haven't even logged on since 8.1, sadly. BfA had the most intense and short lived honeymoon period for me. I loved the early content, but as soon as Heroic Uldir was cleared, my motivation to play evaporated. I didn't want to do Island Expeditions. I didn't want to grind Azerite. I didn't want to grind for Azerite Armor pieces. I didn't want to do Warfronts. I didn't want to do M+ to get my weekly RNG lootbox reward. While I thought the World Quest system was great when it was introduced in Legion, it ended up feeling like nothing but tedious chores by the time BfA rolled around. When Battle for Dazar'Alor dropped, I was hyped. I had heard so many good things. After beating it on Normal mode, not even Heroic, I thought "Meh." and my motivation to play evaporated again. I quit playing. When 8.2 rolled around, I noticed from what had been going on in my guild's discord that my guild was dying. When the new raid dropped, I noticed none of my favorite guildies had come back for it, and that was that.
Played Classic for a while, but got bored of that eventually. Now I'm not sure if I'll ever play WoW again. Still subbed to channels like yours, to see how things develop, but coming back to WoW seems like a long shot at this point
The laugh while you said "bonus apexis crystals" lol