@45:20 it does make sense cus of energy conservation, even tho the bullet is slower, its also heavier so it takes longer to lose energy :) basic physics, im glad devs put effort in these very specific but important details
To simplify the explanation. Damage at range is governed by ballistic coefficient. (How streamlined and heavy the bullet is) A high ballistic coefficient bullet means it doesn’t slow down as fast over distance. A 22 calibre bullet (5.56) has an abysmal coefficient compared to a 9mm rifle bullet of the same design. The 5.56 NATO round starts off fast, but slows down fast. The 9x39 starts out slow, but bleeds energy slower because its BC is higher than the 22 cal bullet. This means at some point down range, there is a distance at which the retained energy will be higher for the 9mm. I regularly shoot long distance irl and these days we use heavy for calibre Berger VLD bullets to acheive some impreseive results in chamberings not known for long range punch. I don’t know much about the 9x39 irl accept that it is their version of the 300 Blackout round the west uses. The 5.56 NATO round was designed to be affective out to 300m and be lighter to carry for the infantry soldier, but still be affective. It achieves all those aims and the terminal ballistic characteristics make it a potent round. The game seems to put the 7.62x39 on a pedestal tbh. IRL the 30-06 and similar cartridge’s that are in the game would run rings around the short 7.62x39 for power, range and damage.
I'd say armour is supposed to either block all damage, or none at all. So I kinda like the way it is working at the moment. Either the bullet makes it through, then you are screwed, or it doesn't then you are fine. Difference to 5,56 and 7,62 should also be visible at larger ranges...because honestly, getting hit with a 5,56 or a 9x39 at close range (up to a couple of hundred meters) will not make a difference, it's gonna go right through you causing massive damage...but out to 300-400 meters you should feel a difference in accuracy between the AS/VZZ and the AR (not saying that's how it is, but how it should be).
Thanks Luthias for your awesome game exploration. It's nice to have the information presented to us rather than having to find out for ourselves. PS. It's nice to know that I am not the only one who's recoil control looks like that. Gives me more confidence to join a server.
To answer your question about why the VSS does more damage than the MK18 at 100m is that it’s not realistic. At that range IRL there wouldn’t be much if any difference ballistically. At 200m the VSS should have a massive amount of bullet drop because it’s a very slow moving round if you go hit by it IRL it would probably be just as likely to kill you l, but for a game then it should translate into less damage. The MK18 because it shoots 5.56mm the ballistics are nearly the same out to 300m. So at least IRL there would be very little difference in the damage between 50-300m, actually an interesting fact about the 5.56mm bullet is that at range it tumbles after hitting flesh so it actually should do less damage point blank and more damage after about 50m.
Barrel length and twist and bullet grain also play a big part in the stability of a round in flight. Ever hit paper with 5.56 at 1000 yards? Out of a 16" barrel with 1:9 twist the hole is often sideways if I can even hit the paper. However, with my 20" barrel 1:7twist the holes are normal. Perhaps the thought is way out there, the bullet can hit you sideways and do more damage?.. but that's at 1000m not 200. So yeah, sadly not very realistic. Might be cool if they added different rifle length, twist, and bullet grain options for more fine tune sniping. Someday.
Would be great to see some leg and arm protection brought in. Specifically leg protection would still be very realistic. Just make it rare military loot.
Hi Luthais Just wondering if the Strength has such a big influence on recoil of guns, we had 3 STR on the test, a player with 8 STR should definitely have lower recoil
So it looks like Soviet Russia wins again the kalashnikov will mow down players they can't handle the power of the 762s. Next you should test to see if kalashnikov go's thru wooden base walls because my friend was behind a wooden wall and he got shot thru the wooden wall which I'm sure you can shoot thru but yeah. For the next video you should test the svd with m82 scope and suppressor at 100m and 200m mark because that's what most players may use at air drops but test it mostly at 200m mark and tye guy needs to be wearing the best armor in the game or else it wouldn't be realistic because no one shows up to air drop with no armor right ? OK thank you luthais for your loyalty in scum and for making an awesome video.
Yesterday I killed a couple guys with an UMP45 ant close range in full auto and it destroyed their gear so watch out for that and shoot only the necessary times.
Hey Leviathan, did you know it's possible to build large parts of your base Underground using a boulder found in A3? I recently found one in BO as well. It seems like it's intentional, have you heard anything?
I wish you would shown someone getting shot in the back without backpack and then with a backpack on as well with armor and without. I think we all experience getting shot in the back from time to time. Just curious is the backpack protects any.
Biggest tip you can take from this guide is to seriously start using single shots at long distances ;]
@45:20 it does make sense cus of energy conservation, even tho the bullet is slower, its also heavier so it takes longer to lose energy :) basic physics, im glad devs put effort in these very specific but important details
To simplify the explanation. Damage at range is governed by ballistic coefficient. (How streamlined and heavy the bullet is) A high ballistic coefficient bullet means it doesn’t slow down as fast over distance. A 22 calibre bullet (5.56) has an abysmal coefficient compared to a 9mm rifle bullet of the same design. The 5.56 NATO round starts off fast, but slows down fast. The 9x39 starts out slow, but bleeds energy slower because its BC is higher than the 22 cal bullet. This means at some point down range, there is a distance at which the retained energy will be higher for the 9mm. I regularly shoot long distance irl and these days we use heavy for calibre Berger VLD bullets to acheive some impreseive results in chamberings not known for long range punch.
I don’t know much about the 9x39 irl accept that it is their version of the 300 Blackout round the west uses. The 5.56 NATO round was designed to be affective out to 300m and be lighter to carry for the infantry soldier, but still be affective. It achieves all those aims and the terminal ballistic characteristics make it a potent round.
The game seems to put the 7.62x39 on a pedestal tbh. IRL the 30-06 and similar cartridge’s that are in the game would run rings around the short 7.62x39 for power, range and damage.
Thanks for the info. Appreciate it.
well done, it's great that you record and describe exactly I like your movies
Thanks man
I'd say armour is supposed to either block all damage, or none at all. So I kinda like the way it is working at the moment. Either the bullet makes it through, then you are screwed, or it doesn't then you are fine. Difference to 5,56 and 7,62 should also be visible at larger ranges...because honestly, getting hit with a 5,56 or a 9x39 at close range (up to a couple of hundred meters) will not make a difference, it's gonna go right through you causing massive damage...but out to 300-400 meters you should feel a difference in accuracy between the AS/VZZ and the AR (not saying that's how it is, but how it should be).
Thanks Luthias for your awesome game exploration. It's nice to have the information presented to us rather than having to find out for ourselves.
PS. It's nice to know that I am not the only one who's recoil control looks like that. Gives me more confidence to join a server.
My pleasure
Very Helpful, especially the recoil part.
Glad it was helpful
To answer your question about why the VSS does more damage than the MK18 at 100m is that it’s not realistic. At that range IRL there wouldn’t be much if any difference ballistically. At 200m the VSS should have a massive amount of bullet drop because it’s a very slow moving round if you go hit by it IRL it would probably be just as likely to kill you l, but for a game then it should translate into less damage. The MK18 because it shoots 5.56mm the ballistics are nearly the same out to 300m. So at least IRL there would be very little difference in the damage between 50-300m, actually an interesting fact about the 5.56mm bullet is that at range it tumbles after hitting flesh so it actually should do less damage point blank and more damage after about 50m.
Thanks for the info
Barrel length and twist and bullet grain also play a big part in the stability of a round in flight. Ever hit paper with 5.56 at 1000 yards? Out of a 16" barrel with 1:9 twist the hole is often sideways if I can even hit the paper. However, with my 20" barrel 1:7twist the holes are normal.
Perhaps the thought is way out there, the bullet can hit you sideways and do more damage?.. but that's at 1000m not 200. So yeah, sadly not very realistic. Might be cool if they added different rifle length, twist, and bullet grain options for more fine tune sniping. Someday.
2:30 it looks like always put your most valuable items to the top left of your backpack as the most damage is on the bottom right.
Nice observation bud ;]
Would be great to see some leg and arm protection brought in. Specifically leg protection would still be very realistic. Just make it rare military loot.
Agreed
as usual great video.
Thanks bud
Nice and informative again👍Be aware that at close range you hit the target lower because the barrel is lower then the scope at close range
Nice tip. I agree
i think they are taking into account the lethality of 5.56 and 7.62 in the game
the mk18 did 22 with tactical armor with 5.56 ap
Hi Luthais
Just wondering if the Strength has such a big influence on recoil of guns, we had 3 STR on the test, a player with 8 STR should definitely have lower recoil
Yes even with 5. You can do the test again with 5 Strength and youll see a difference.
I wonder if buckshot or birdshot would decrease the amount of meat taken from an animal. Is it better to kill an animal with another caliber?
What you kill with doesn't matter. What you skin with does. a Clever and butcher will give you the most meat.
Great work.. Thanks for testing all this so we don't have too 👍🏻
My pleasure.
So it looks like Soviet Russia wins again the kalashnikov will mow down players they can't handle the power of the 762s. Next you should test to see if kalashnikov go's thru wooden base walls because my friend was behind a wooden wall and he got shot thru the wooden wall which I'm sure you can shoot thru but yeah. For the next video you should test the svd with m82 scope and suppressor at 100m and 200m mark because that's what most players may use at air drops but test it mostly at 200m mark and tye guy needs to be wearing the best armor in the game or else it wouldn't be realistic because no one shows up to air drop with no armor right ? OK thank you luthais for your loyalty in scum and for making an awesome video.
Yes AK penetrates wooden walls. Thank you bud.
Fantastic video, but one thing the vhs you use have less recoil. the other model with integrated scope is a pice of s....
Lol. I agree
so headshots are a must
Head or legs yes.
Yesterday I killed a couple guys with an UMP45 ant close range in full auto and it destroyed their gear so watch out for that and shoot only the necessary times.
Or shoot for the legs and only destroy pants. Head works as well.
Hey Leviathan, did you know it's possible to build large parts of your base Underground using a boulder found in A3? I recently found one in BO as well. It seems like it's intentional, have you heard anything?
No its an exploit and is not allowed on any of my servers
I wish you would shown someone getting shot in the back without backpack and then with a backpack on as well with armor and without. I think we all experience getting shot in the back from time to time. Just curious is the backpack protects any.
Hiking backpack does protect you a ton. So if you think your gonna lose turn away from the bullets and run
Do they not sell RPK's at traders?
I'm sure they do now. Haven't bought one in a while
Does now worth using AP ammo
Yes. Helps with PVP to penetrate armor to do 10 % more damage
Any chance to do a video on guns vs puppets? For the PvE players ? Thanks.
The shot it takes is very close to one another but ill add it to the list or include it in future guide coming soon
Have they revamped the armor yet?
No
@Luthais can you update this with the 8.5 patch please!?!❤
Should still be the same
So there is Legmeta in Scum aswell now? 😂
Yes if you can remember to aim for the legs when poop gets real. I always forget lol
Still the same?
Roughly yes
If slug at the leg from range .thanks anyway
No problem
I do t have time to watch one hour of video, why you just dont make a result diagram or something
Thats what reddit and other sites are for but ill keep it in mind.