Why Kanata Doesn't Want To Collab With Males...
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Everyone has their own image of what they want their career to be
Some collab with males
Some don't
Some collab a lot
Others don't
Anyone who has watched Kanata for any sort of time knows this is how she feels and i respect her ideals.
She isn't doing this because cover goes BOOO NO CROSS COLLABS
She's doing this because as she said, it's her view of idols and her ideals.
We should respect it
Again i always try to preach that i want collabs with people who are comfortable with each other.
Some males aren't comfortable collabing with females to
I don't know if she explained her ideals nor even can understand that... I always think it's something about the culture and the idea of idols that they have in their mind, which already hurt a lot of people enough but it doesn't stop.
Kanata is not responsible for this, of course not. But i think the idea of what an idol is, should change, not immediately, but in a slow pace.
And again, this is not a task that she should do, nor necessarily she has to do, is more on the company side
@@Voldrim359 please stop deflecting and listen to her, even cover make a statement that talents are allowed to choose what communities they want to it to be.
@@Voldrim359 a long time ago when I'd hear about the horrors about the idol industry I always wondered why, after everything that has come to light, would anyone ever want to be an idol? It wasn't until hololive that it finally clicked. Most people who want to become idols are themselves idol fans they want incarnate everything that idols are supposed to be. Idols aren't just cute girls/guys who sing and dance, the main thing an idol sells is a lie.
@@Voldrim359 "But i think the idea of what an idol is, should change, not immediately, but in a slow pace."
But why? If something isn't broken don't fix it.
@@juldor93there are A LOT of things broken with the idol industry, are you serious? It’s so bad that there’s a manga series (oshi no ko) exposing the dark side of idol culture and show biz.
Reading comments in this kind of clip are always amusing
people was like "yeah I respect her, but actually ..."
"But actually" is a dead set with an opposing opinion, also remember the "3rd party" opinions are just as toxic as long as they don't have a say and the talent will do his/her own thing
Honestly when I saw this clip in my feed I deliberately waited for a few hours before watching it, coz I love reading comments and I just knew the comments in the clip will be entertaining xD
No, I respect Kanata. If she thought it lkke that its all up to her, and it's her right to do so. Just take note that not all Hololive Girls share the same opinion as her., so don't generalize Kanata's opinion upon all Hololive.
I know this is the Internet, but respecting one's decisions while still disagreeing with them or their reasons is a thing yknow.
@@BlaZay Oh they can disagree, but lots of those who disagree are calling her toxic and "disappointing". Between this and that time Kaigainiki wrongly flamed Sayuri, it seems Kanata is destined to be have majority-Japanese (or Asian) audience. There was even someone insinuating that Kanata was helping this "toxic" mindset to spread in Hololive, like she's not a later addition to the roster. Miko has been around longer than most Holomem, but no one has called her toxic when she also refuses to collab with men.
As for me, "okay. If that's what you want." Insisting that her refusal to collab with men is detrimental to Holostars's growth is implying Holostars can't grow without Hololive. Holostars is fine on their own, my Holostars simp friend was actually complaining to me that Holostars was putting out so much merch that she can't buy all of them lmao. It's weird to me that while Holostars fans are all "that's fine" about Kanata's position on the matter it's the anti-idol culture crowd that's calling her names.
If you dislike Kanata for this remember that the Holopro tweet about how each talent decides how they want to handle their own content doesn't work only to defend mixed Collabs ;)
I don't think anyone would dislike Kanata for saying this. I'm a Stars fan myself and I felt like this was a great way to put it. She doesn't blame her fans, she doesn't disrespect the Stars. She simply says it's her own view of what an idol is that she tries to encapsulate. I respect Kanata more for being honest and mature.
Yep, only blame we can lay is on THOSE people.
Exactly. It's really bizarre to me how the same people who will point and laugh at "seething unicorns" when co-ed collabs happen are the same ones who themselves rage when a talent like Kanata here decides she DOESN'T want to as it's not her brand nor prerogative. Some of these people have insane double-standards.
Everyone has their own reason why they do/don't collab with the opposite gender, this is nothing new, but since now we know how high her expectation is, we too can stop expecting her to collab with a holostars member.
But if that day would ever come, than we know that person is a "true male idol" in Kanata's eyes, since that is the reason that she gave us
i mean she is probably losing some of the best duo collabs because of it but i guess some ppl are just limited
redditors be like: "I respect her opinion BUT...muh toxic idol culture *proceeds to write an entire paragraph* "
TH-cam comment is the new reddit
Yes, Their favorite scapegoat strawman "IDOL CULTURE".
I mean Kanata pretty clearly said she judges any girl which collabs with males as not a real Idol but you pretend you want freedom for them. You just want your otaku safe space where you are the only male in existence.
Well I am glad people like that get what they deserve Rushia did.
@@xXFoiXx That's not what she said, but alright, you do you.
She said she tries to be like her own ideal idol, and that that incorporates not collabing with male VTubers, doesn't mean she sees those that do as "not real idols", they just aren't "her ideal idol".
@@Justic_ So they aren't idols in her eyes. I agree with that though. An idol is supposed to be pure. If you collab with men you are not pure. Kanata is right.
As a long time fan I just want to say this. Kanata has always had very strong feelings. It's definitely not about money or fear of backlash, or even "girlfriend experience". It's genuine love. Two things I want to share: She spent millions of her own yen on the Agape original song and animation, a song about about the higher love, higher than filial love or eros. That is the feeling she wants to express between her and her fans, agape. And secondly the point in the debut 3D live where she sings SSS. Seriously go watch it again. It SHOCKED me when I saw it live. It's heartwrenching. She's just crying trying to say words that won't come out, choking up the whole time. That's her idol passion.
Just dont read the comments here my guy. There are some bashing kanata for expressing her feelings on the matter.
@@zelquist - Western cancer as usual. These people just can't fkin mind their own business.
I don't quite understand - like you're trying to explain something that is obviously a feeling but what is that "feeling"? Does she mean some sort of loyalty to her fanbase for helping her get to where she does?
@@Keirnoth Just google what "agape" is bruh.
If they are spending their own money, then why do they need Cover at all.
God bless this woman
The great collabbegger culling of 2023 has never been better.
/vt/
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Woah there unicorn, chill. Your oshi doesn't give a shit about you.
Tell me you hate when a collabegger streamer threatens your lesbo fantasy without telling me:
instead of trying to save the girls from "idol culture", maybe realise that alot of the girls were attracted to hololive because they love idols and wanted to become one
Yeah, but no pity for them if they get backlash later for not acting like an idol. It is their own decision to follow it or not, by saying "I don't collab with males because I don't think an idol should do that" feeds the idol culture and makes people that love it orbit around her. She is an adult and knows what she is doing. Trying to break that image later because the idol facede was too much will be painful, just like what happened to Rushia (even tho it was by accident in her case).
@@pa5838 That is completely untrue about Rushia, she was not let go because of that personal irl drama that i wont bring up out of respect, that would have blown over if it was ignored.
She was let go for breaking NDA in her contract by giving information to a "drama" youtuber. It was an unfortunate incident but has nothing to do with "idol culture".
Yet another lie that has been pushed over the last year to try and mold hololive into something that it isn't by people who hate idols.
@@oniondesu9633 What I meant is that since she cultivated the girlfriend experience in her fanbase (she even sold wedding rings and acrylic stands with her as a wife), so when people found out she was very possibly dating someone, the hardcore fanbase freaked out. Feeling bad because of it she panicked and leaked the info to the drama guy, breaking NDA and yada yada. That's what I meant, she didn't handle the backlash well and because of it she handled things badly. The backlash was that bad (I still remember photos on twitter of people burning posters of her, saying they were betrayed) because she incentivized people to feel like she was some kind of internet gf. That may be a small portion of the fanbase but time and time again we've seen those people are the most vocal and do the most damage (the 100 good comments vs. 1 hate comment thing). So summarizing, do what you want, be an Idol, wife, whatever, but you know what you are getting into. If you mess up, be prepared for the hate. That's what comes with those internet facades.
@@pa5838 Those tweets of people burning crap was all bait from twitter interaction farmers. The point remains that the "backlash" would have blown over very quickly if it was handled properly (completely ignored). And the whole incident has just been used as a weapon by people who hate Hololive to try and destroy it pretending to be "concerned fans". Nothing wrong with gachi streamers.
@@oniondesu9633 I know, nothing wrong with gachi streamers, but her reaction to the hate was really bad. Trying to leak info about her personal life to a drama channel to clean your name? She wouldn't have done something that stupid without noticeable backlash. Even if it was fake or not, it is backlash at the end of the day. That's just what i'm saying, know what you're getting into, people will expect things from you, and when you don't correspond, the hate comes. They are in fact adults and know what they are doing.
Preach, Kanatan. Do whatever you're comfortable with. 💪
I guess this is the first time a talent has outright said it?or maybe Irys did before too,i feel like people are very fast to jump the guns and point at cover for things like this although they say they are an idol company cover does it's utmost best to give talents there freedom be it in personal life or there content,every talent is an adult they can make there own decesion getting angry at them for collabing with males is bad but showering them with questions like this is also bad just enjoy what they choose to create and don't police it
Pretty sure Miko said something to the same effect before (and of course the 35P responded 'but the eroge is a okay for an idol?').
Noel also say something about this,how she feel uncomfortable If she must do a collab with male.
we can't really force them to satisfy our own ego.
Noel and Flare has said it a long time ago. People don't just want to listen and would rather imagine a scary rule that Cover won't allow them. Sora has also talked about this but her reasons are a bit different
IRyS didn't say she won't collab with men. She just say she's more comfortable to collab with the people she clicks & familiar with.
yeah it's either cover's fault or toxic jp-only idol culture from english comments most of the time...
I kinda agree with the Image of an Idol, but even if the members choose not to be like an Idol, that is their choice. I find it annoying how in response to the annoying crowd that goes nuts when a man interacts with the girls, a crowd seems to have formed, that in order to combat this has become the very thing it swore to destroy by seemingly wanting to force the girls into collabs with men.
One side wants all of them to be perfect idols and the other side hates the concept of an Idol. At the end of the day, it is their choice whether they want to be more of an Idol or a comedian.
Lets build up a group that just wants to let them do whatever the hell they want. The talents are not OUR employees. We can't control what they do. All we can do is watch and give them money along with support, because we are consumers.
@VibeChex we already have that. But that group is far more quiet than the two extremes. And the extremes are typically the first ones on the scene to give their reactions.
Personally, it makes me happy seeing any of the girls collab with the Stars. I would actually like to see more of it since the Stars are great guys, but I don't want any of it to be forced. It's completely fine if they don't want to, they have their own reasons (such as Noel not wanting to because she doesn't want to upset her fans and whatever else she said I don't remember). But at the same time, this separation of the Stars from the Livers when they were introduced has done more harm than good. Take the Hololive EN girls that collabed with Tempus, there was a lot of backlash for both parties. This sort of thing harbored a lot of toxic parasocial people in their fandoms, BUT I am not blaming any of them for that. I am completely fine if things stay the way they are.
I think the entire concept of baseing collabs off of gender is stupid. I can totally understand that not everybody will get along with everybody else or has the same interests. That is perfectly normal. But to outright say no because of a persons gender is extremely narrow minded.
Additionally Idol culture is extremely toxic in the way it uses and nurtures parasocialism. Ofcourse I am not going to harrass Kanata in her chat to change her mind or anything stupid like that. I still respect her work and talent. I just think it´s a shame that her role model is one of an outdated and toxic mindset and I will definitely argue with people that encourage behaviour like that
@@JBasilix it is not outdated, that is the point. There are Fans that want that and it is a v-tubers choice whether they want to create content for these people or not.
If she don’t wanna collab with males, she don’t wanna collab with males. It’s no big deal. Kanata is still Kanata and we love her.
Reminder that the same people who scream "parasocial" any time someone criticizes male/female collabs and tells you to respect the girls wishes when they choose to collab with men are the exact same people who're seething in this comment section about Kanata's decision NOT to collab with men. It works both ways, fellas.
Mutual respect is important, is the short summary. I for one disagrees with Kanata's motivation as presented here, but that sure as hell isn't a pretext to harass her for choosing collab partners however she pleases.
I don't like how she treats her phobia. I know it's a personal matter why she cant collab with men. But she just doesn't want to do anything about it. She's proud of it. She shows how she reject men in general even NPCs and as a content creator, other young girls who's watching her will have the exact same mentality. Never grow. Never compromise.
@Shirona Sama what?
Whatever the talent wants should be respected. What should not be respected is the trash that tries to impose their idea onto the talent. The talent can choose to do whatever they want, its the idiots who throw a fit who are the problem.
@@Irystocrat1134 it's not a phobia. She's an idol-otaku, traditionally idols don't have relations with men, so as an idol herself she doesn't do it too. Simple as.
classic twitter brain rot in this comment section. " lets cancel another japanese fandom culture again cause they dont align with MY BELIEFS of what the whole planet should be like (or at least after parroting what i read online of what it should be like)" what ever happened to letting streamers do what there comfortable with . she just wants to LARP as an anime girl and entertain. literally hundreds of other vtubers out there that would love to have you if hololive isnt your thing. so simple.
White twitter cultural imperialism at its finest.
The hive mind cannot have dissenting opinions please understand.
"letting streamers do what they're comfortable with"
That's only if "what they're comfortable with" aligns with these people's mindset. Always has been like that, it's especially prevalent in reddit and twitter.
男性コラボが見たい人は夏色まつりさんの様なOKにしている人を見ればいいのでは？
かなたさんの気持ちを否定する必要はないと思います
Japan is still civilized and in most cases they respect the opinions of others, here that doesn't exist anymore, we suffer the woke mob mentality, that will attack anything or anybody that they "feel" is threating to them, regardless if it's reasonable or logic, they will twist their thinking to justify their harassments as something that is just.
Honto ni subarashii comment
I'm actually okay with Kanata saying this. No talent should be forced to collab or not collab with the opposite gender, just because portion of their audience wants it or not. I respect her stance. While there are plenty of people who want opposite genders to collab, including myself, there're still those who prefer otherwise. As long as both sides of the spectrum remain respectful toward each other and to the talents, everything should be a okay.
Based. I really struggle to understand why so many people seem to think of this matter as some kind of zero sum game. There are more than enough talents on both sides of this issue to satisfy whatever your personal stance is, neither of them is wrong, no reason is "not good enough", any reason to do or not do cross gender collabs is as valid as any other.
I think the only reasonable explanation of this attitude is either being japanese or they just dont like being with males. by japanese i mean the "idol" culture, the awkwardness between ppl, etc.
Who asked?
@@jackmak2980 certianly not you, so fuck off. It is t your concern.
@@NicoyunnAnother explanation would be being fans of hololive jp and already having an image of what they wanted to do joining hololive.
I appreciate Kanata's honesty about this issue. More of her workmates should follow her example and take an open and clear stance on how they plan to roll with co-ed collabs, whether pro or against or "depends on how we get along".
Fuwamoco could learn a thing or two about this from Tenshi.
Are people here really crying over Kanata's mindset? I'm a guy and what she said doesn't bother me a bit. I find it even better that she wouldn't collab with men. Kanata 💯% based
And once again, my favorite HoloGra episode becomes relevant.
Kanata here (who is a big idol fan herself if I remember correct) says that HER ideal idol doesn't collab with guys so she won't.
On the other hand Towa, her genmate, has her own idea of what kind of idol she wants to be (I believe she said something about variety idols before) and does stuff that fits her idea.
At the end of the day they all have their own ideas & ideals of what kind of idol they want to be (this is the part from HoloGra that's relevant).
Some members might do stuff that others wouldn't/don't want to do. And that's totally fine.
(For those curious it's the "Help! We'll be fired" episode that was an advertisement for the Bloom, concert)
Kanata is quite seisou and principled and unfortunately for her that means collab with males is taboo I guess. Well a ‘bad’ example is Matsuri who just says whatever when collab with males and totally destroyed any semblance of seisou image lol
Exactly this. I mainly watch Towa-sama so to me collabs with male are no biggie (shes doing a watchalong of of pro gamers and gushing about them right as I'm typing this) but I respect the ideals that kanata wishes to uphold for herself.
@@kuity Not "unfortunately" though. I think people are blaming the idols fans a lot, not realizing that Kanata is one of those idol fans. She is not being oppressed or forced to do it, this is how she views and likes idols.
@@Bessux the fact that you need to compare this to something as extreme as nazism means you've already lost the argument. What the actual fuck.
@@Bluebeat7 It's a fucking stupid argument and you don't get to cancel my point it by saying "you're comparing x to y". Fuck off.
The fun part is... 98% of these collabbeggers dont even watch the boys. They just want their girl idols interact with males so they can start shipping. Or these ppl want to feel like they are some kind of "heroes" that help the Stars get more attention which is bullshit cause, again, these guys dont even watch Stars.
If you are a stars fan (or just some male V's fan) you will understand that NO, we dont need them to collab with female V. If they want to, its great, if they dont then its ok. 🥴
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Virtue signaling, one of the West's biggest problems nowadays.
have you tried looking at their viewcounts?
people who actually watch the boys are pretty neutral about collabs, some don't even want any
as someone who pretty much only watches tempus and a couple of niji livers at this point, i dislike cross gender collabs in holo. it gives collab beggars confidence to shit up chat with begging and makes unicorns mald and go after our boys. it really feels like the girls throw the boys under a lot of heat and then go radio silent about it, forcing the boys to deal with it alone even when they aren't at fault
i'm fine with people like bae, matsuri or fubuki collabing, people who made their stance very clear. but kronii and ame really stirred up a ton of shit for no reason. and considering some of the boys aren't the best at dealing with that hate like leader, it makes me kind of mad
Honestly I just want the boys to grow their fanbase naturally, WITHOUT any more drama than there already is.
Pro tip: browse by newest to see the spiciest comments
@@alphaaicore8493 Browsing by newest first gives me a slew of unicorns *_desperately crawling_* for that delicious validation.
This is the talent that freaked out when Gakki married Gen Hoshino. Yea, safe to say she won't collab with a dude. Nothing wrong with that of course, but she won't change.
I'd say because that happened, it made her lose all motivation to Collab with males
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But what do I know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I don't know these names, so if I may ask what's the significance of their marriage?
@@0y1on she made a whole ass song about her parasocial love
@@0y1on Yui Aragaki (also known as Gakki) is an actress, and Gen Hoshino is a producer/singer. Kanata loves Gakki a lot, to the point that she doesn't want her to marry and wants her to herself, in a delusional way. So when Gakki announced she'll be marrying Gen, Kanata threw a fit on stream and on Twitter lmao
Kanata I kneel
"DON'T BE PARASOCIAL, RESPECT THE TALENTS DECISION TO COLLAB WITH WHOEVER THEY WANT!"
>Talent chooses not to collab with men<
"WAIT NOT LIKE THAT! THAT'S DIFFERENT!!"
Lmao. Collab beggars try not to be disingenuous challenge: Impossible edition.
I haven't seen anyone reacting like that, but if they are, they're in a minority.
@@zhizn_snake Look above, in the first comment's comment section (for me it's the first) they literally are Blaming The Idol culture "AND" the Company (Cover) Lmao
@@zhizn_snake Bruh, just go read the comments just in this video. and they're using their favorite scapegoat strawman, IDOL CULTURE.
Kanata wants to be the ideal "Idol", read some comments that it should not be the ideal. So much for support.
I'm not one of those people who wants her to collab with men. I also don't like holostars anyways.
But to me, it seems like she's using her crowd to validate her phobia and trauma. She's not actually processing or facing the problems and seek validation from her fans. Correct me if I'm wrong
@@Irystocrat1134 Seriously what trauma are you projecting on her? Kanata is just a lesbian who isnt comfortable with male collabs. That's literally all it is.
The people who keep groaning about male-female collabs don't care about what the girls actually want, they just want to "destroy idol culture" because Twitter tells them it is the most evil thing on this entire world. They don't watch streams and will most likely just pretend this clip (and several other passages) dont exist.
Nah. They can choose whatever they want, so long as it's their actual choice and not just fear of losing a part of their audience who are so shitty they would stop watching whoever is "tainted" by collabing with a dude.
@@Antroid Exactly.
@@Antroid That's every job, tho? That's called real-life. When you go to work, like anyone else, I assume you have some things you'd love to do but can't because you'd lose your job, or worse.
A lot of the JP girls prefer the idol image, both for their sake and for the sake of the audience.
@@victorpresti Well, in this case they won't lose their job if they collab with a guy, should they want to, so the analogy isn't really right. They might take a hit in the income, but that's where everyone has to balance their principles and the amount of money. A better analogy would be doing something bad and shady at work for extra cash.
I respect them if they genuinely want to have the idol image, and I respect ones like Kronii who refuse to kowtow to the shitty people. It's the ones who concede to the shitty people that I respect less. Of course, the shitty people are the real source of the problem.
@@Antroid ok but then why are you complaining about kanata then? She's a genuine idol-otaku obviously she's gonna have some very conservative ideas about how an idol should act doesn't really have anything to do with how she thinks her audience will see her but how she sees HERSELF as an idol.
コメント数の多さからしてもかなたんのコメントの趣旨を英語圏の視聴者があまり理解できてなさそう。
サムネイルにホロスターズのロゴがついてるがそもそもホロスターズについては言及していないからな。
いや、そんな事ないよ。
上の方にあるコメントは大体、respect her desicion and idealsって感じ。
@@user-sp1vd2qw8z she's talking about any male vtuber so HoloStars is somewhat relevant, but I see what you mean, it's clickbait
Unrelated, but I love your pfp
That's the clip right there, a good specimen for lots of very concerned people from the vtuber community to yell about one of their favorite strawmen, "idol culture".
Just like when they rejoice as a vtuber drops the character voice, breaks character or abandons their lore to have """real talk""", anything that's more like a run of the mill western streamer is good and valid culture, because what says being the western audience of a foreign hobby better than explaining to foreigners how their own culture is actually bad and how it should be instead (hint : like ours).
Oke simp you keep supporting females that clearly hate man
Do you really believe it's only westerners that have a problem when an idol gets difamed, death threats and gets their life ruined because of the culture?
Unfathomably based
How is it a strawman? She is literally encouraging a toxic idol culture environment.
No wait, you're saying that Japanese culture is bad, but western is good, and you're fighting this war of yours that doesn't really exist, because no one sent her death threats for not doing a collab with a...male? Cognitive dissonance much? Because in Western culture if you don't collab with women you're an incel, which from the way you write and your expressed opinion, I'd say you're in that group that has that mentality. Don't worry, all hololive girls are all trans lesbian, lgbtq+-÷ײ, they're all dads and they all hate straight males. Don't worry, there there, everything will be alright 😂
Edit: I'm NOT against male streamers or the girls collabing with them they can do what they want. I'm a male streamer myself. I'll just not watch those collabs, easy
I prefer when they dont collab with guys, I watch hololive for the cute anime girls not anything else so a guy in the videos or streams ruins the vibe. I fully support holostars and male streamers, Im one myself so dont get me wrong but when I watch hololive I want to see only girls
The majority of Hololive's fanbase (and members) share this opinion, too, but they're too scared to publicly admit it due to the very loud virtue signalling minority. Nijisanji EN is falling apart these days apart from a few members that mostly stick to themselves and their female clique. People need to open their eyes.
@Amber I mean it shows with Holostars numbers. JP is just at the bottom of the ocean with their numbers, Tempus has stagnated and haven't grown for some time. Even Tempus second wave was a huge disappointment in their debuts and right now have suck ass numbers. Like they averaging less than half of their senpais.
The only reason why they seemed so talked about is from the very small minority . As they say, the loudest tend to be the smallest in numbers. Holostars is a failed branch.
this is the majority's opinion but an obnoxiously loud minority will tell you otherwise
@@BattlefireTV their numbers beat out holoID lmao🤡
@End their viewship is increasing faster than HoloEN? HoloEN averages more in superchats and dominates the charts. Their average viewership is much more too. Only a few Nijisanji en like Vox are at the top charts. The rest is dominated by HoloEN.
Nijisanji is over bloated with too many talents. They are eating each others views.
My queeen!!!! I kneeel In front of your grace, as long as you hold your words, i'll be your humble servant!!
Female vtuber: i don't wamt to collab with guys
Normies: omg! Protect her from all the harassment she's receiving, they're pretty much holding her at gun point! Those sexist incels!
The "harassment":
Also normies when male streamers are shamed and harassed by an entire industry and the viewers into doing a collab with a female streamer: you incel, she won't hurt you, she's a woman, lol, what are you afraid of, you sexist or something?
Some of you, many, deserve to learn how the real world works, first hand.
that never happened btw
Can you give an example of this?
It sounded pretty much made up
If you’re upset at this statement by kanata, then understand that she has a choice not to care. You cannot force members to collaborate with males. End of.
Most of these beggars doesn't even watch stream or even watch hololive, they just to stir shit drama up for attentions.
I don't really care if they collab or not collab, but I think the issue is not that simple or easy to find a solution.
@@TasukuMuncha A simple solution would be stay in their own lane and build their own audience, at least that's what Vesper said before he done goof up, Regus also hate collab beggars and tell em shut up.
@@NguyenThanh-gs5zv That would be alright if all the audience was actually sane, but we know what happened to Rushia
@@TasukuMuncha no you obviously don't if you bring her up in this context.
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I saw some people in the comment saying 'idol culture is toxic'
Well .... If you hate idol culture then why the f are you watching hololive that on paper is a idol company...
Well, they were an idol company
You can enjoy idols but not like all aspects of the culture. Its called nuance and its lost on people in this day and age.
are you aware that many, many fans hate the "idol" aspect of vtubers in general right?
Kronii in shambles lmao
@@artist0154 If a Hololive "fan" hates the idol aspect of the company than they are not a fan and are just here for internet clout/attention
The comments be like : I respect her opinion, but...
Like if you really respect her opinion delete the "but" part
I don't care
I just like kanata
Platonically
@@dekkeroid2962 ur gey
Same bro
TOTAL
IDOL
VICTORY
Very valid reasoning from PPT!
I truly dislike when ppl go "omg you should collab with x-person please!" ... just let them do what they feel like cmon ppl
redditors love to pretend they care about the streamer's choice on who to collab with until they decide they don't want to collab with guys, they're writing several paragraphs bitching in the comment section.
Then those redditors are just as crazy as p*rasocial fans. Fans with good sanity & mental health will approve of whatever the Talents want to do. If they wanna collab with guys, sure, go ahead. They don't wanna collab with guys, up to them as well, go ahead whatever.
who is making this argument?
@@ManWithFace You didn't unironically say this and do exactly that right afterward did you?
Hololive JP proving again they're what keeps this company's culture alive. They understand what their viewers want, the sort of environment of cute girls doing cute things, and they deliver on it. That's why they keep growing despite the saturation of vtuber market. Pekora is still enormous, Miko is still huge, Koyori, Subaru and so on. They're all ever-growing juggernauts and the Hololive brand of idol is the reason why they went from being nobodies to the biggest vtubing company in the planet.
Ummm.. JP you said? You seem to only want to see things that convenient for you. Not all JP shares Kanata's opinion. Fubuki, Matsuri, Suisei, Roboco, Towa, Choco Sensei, AZKi all has their own principle about what an Idol is. They are not afraid to do collabs or share a stage with a Male Livers / Performers. Cover Corp's stance is also very clear, they are letting their talents freely choose what they want to approach themselves as Idol / Livers, Cover does not bend their knee to the stupid culture.
lol
Seriously, these "fans" just want idols to be more generic Western streamers, they only care for clips of them playing games and shipping, and other weird stuff.
Kanata is indeed a true Idol.
So by her definition, Sora and Suisei aren't real idols?
@@exteamrocketgrunt6070 yes and? It's what she had in mind, but she not force it to others because she definitely know that every people on earth is free to choose what ideal for themselves. And nonetheless she respected them all
@@exteamrocketgrunt6070 Suisei is not an idol, she is just a singer vtuber, and Sora is an idol but old
@@exteamrocketgrunt6070 What exactly do you think "idol" means? Just somebody who sings and dances well? That is a performer or an entertainer. Idols are a specific subset of entertainer, a product of Japanese culture. I think you shouldn't try to just equate the concept of a Japanese idol with that of a Western streamer or singer.
1,700 comments. Hmm, if the people who complained here just went ahead and watched holostars they’d be inclining their viewership 😂
Too good to be true bro. These collab beggars mostly doing this for virtue signal point.
Based vegetaposter
Is this comment section just full of people carrying over some arguments from other social media's? Y'all can take that back to those platforms, respectively. At the end of the day, the talents can do what they want, and they'll each have their own views and perspectives that influence that. No reason for all the grandstanding going on, let's simmer down.
BASED!!!
I really do wish people would leave hololive alone with their male and female collab pushing
There are plenty of other companies out there if that is the kind of content you want.
@@sanictheedgehog seriously, they're become more obvious with pushing co-ed collab since holoproen mixed collab.
It's her brand, her performance and her vision -- I think people here would do well to respect that.
Reddit when holo collabs with males: "They have freedom stops harassing her!"
Reddit when Kanata choose to not collab with males: "She should collab with males to...le own the incels!"
No one is harassing Kanata over this though?
@@serd3143 because 99% of reddit can't speak japanese
@@onelaw Okay? No one harassed IRyS either, and she speaks English.
Attacking strawmen is super dope lit and based.
@@serd3143 LOL
God these types of videos are such cancer because they always bring out the worst parts of the "fanbase." Like before it was always "Cover is stopping the girls from collabing with the men" or "Cover doesn't promote the boys enough" when both of those statements have never been true. Now its just people gaslighting by being like "oh that's fine for her to have that opinion, but everything about her stance I hate and is toxic."
The thing I can say about hololive is that they will always continue to prove these people wrong and achieve success while the whole industry dies by being caught up in the idea of "idol culture le bad"
@@Zeon125 You can say that about Hololive while Holostars is slowly rotting in a corner somewhere.
What do you expect from fans in these types of entertainment? They are mostly degenerates. Who doesn't know the decency to interact with people. Me included admittedly. Interacting with people is essential, lesbian baits are ok but interacting with men isn't? such garbage logic. But you can't force people to do your bidding. And more importantly this idol culture definitely needs to end.
@@Bessux lmao, rotting in the corner while UPROAR already got their 3D debut earlier than holo id/en.
_" Like before it was always "Cover is stopping the girls from collabing with the men" or "Cover doesn't promote the boys enough" when both of those statements have never been true."_
When Holostars debuted there _was_ a rule that prevented them from collabing with Hololive members.
Cover later dropped that rule but your claim is still objectively wrong.
I see collab beggers as OPs trying to start trouble. In my opinion I see this a the same side of the coin.
I’m a fans of holostars and a fan of hololive. If a talents want to collab with a male then that fine support them if you don’t like that even though it the talent choice then beat it. Same rule apply the other way if a talent don’t want to collab with males then that their choice don’t bother them.
In the end I see these collab begging as OP to try to start drama.
If you find her opinion "problematic" or "toxic" then I suggest you go watch Nijisanji. No amount of seething is going to change her (or other members') mind.
Preach brother PREACH
I can think the opinion is toxic while still respecting the talent. No need to tell people to go to some other company LMAO. She made her stance clear, and while I think this ideal idol she thinks of is a toxic concept, I also have enough respect to not push my ideals onto someone else. She clearly stated a reason why she won't collab with males, and anyone trying to change her mind even if they agree with me that "pure idols" are toxic are in the wrong. People can be reasonable without you instantly saying that if they disagree they should look elsewhere. I like Kanata even if I barely watch her nowadays, but you literally telling me that if I dont share her same opinion I should go elsewhere is just as tribalistic as the asshats who push for co-op collabs.
@@TheWyrmMage Preach!
this goes either way; respect is key and some asshats that support the "ideal idol" mindset actively sabotage and straight up harass the stars and stars fans simply because they are males. I respect Kanata and would like her to do her own thing and achieve her own dreams but that doesn't mean I'm going to trash the opposite side that pushes for co-ed stuff; collab beggars are annoying but hypocrites that use their oshi as an excuse to start a fire and point hate towards holostars are way worse. You could say collab beggars hate Kanata's ideals and you see some active haters, but then again it goes either way and those of us that like co-ed stuff see those that want to support the idol dream by abolishing any male talent within a 5 meter radius and straight up defaming the talents that do collab with males by stating stuff like they betrayed their fans.
no need to bring niji into this, its a holo problem because some rude bastards actively go out of their way to harass talents. an example is Calli's infamous anti named Zoki that is also actively targeting all of EN (tempus, councilrys, myth)
@@TheWyrmMage So true brother!
She’s an idol’s idol
普段LGBTとか多様性を大切にしろとか言いながら、かなたの個性は尊重しない奴はゴミ。
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MR OBORETAI GET DOWN!!!
Oboretai? Like Oboretai Writing Ch?
He furiously writing on reddit, just wait.
@@dinozero2 yup. One of tryhard to normalize co-ed collab.
holy based Kanata
I love how its come to a full circle.
Remember a while back people were mad about female talents collabing with guys? Turns out, wanting your favorite talent to collab with guys is as toxic and no better as the latter.
Here's a revolutionary idea: Maybe let the talents do whatever the fuck they want? Shocking, I know!
/vt/ just can't stop winning lmao
Wow the comment section sure suck. There is a lof people who hates JP idol culture. Hehhh.
Discords raid and their male beggings the usual, the redditors on r/hololive are coping as well.
Oberetai not gonna like this.
Maybe he’ll finally have a mental breakdown
Don't put Holostars there for your clickbait! Neither them or their fans care whether the Holo girls collab or not so stop forcing them together!
Collab begging is lame as always
Parasocial fans are even lamer tbh. lol.
Tbh i'd not even look at people's face in a collective transport
lots of nijifans in the comments lmao
I think I saw one person celebrate Niji over Holo, in an absurd, over the top way. And then like half a dozen randomly dragging Nijisanji into this from the other end. Idk. People are weird.
I mean, what Kanata says is true. Hololive doesn't forces their talents to do something if they don't like it and it worked. I can't say the same for Nijisanji, seeing how most of their male x female collabs are dumpster fires.
People who watch Nijisanji also watch Hololive.......like me. 😅
Not all Nijifans are collab beggars, but my God the ones that are are annoying as hell.
@@Yutani_Crayven They're just looking for any reason to slander anyone critical of idol culture by saying "lul you probably like Nijisanji". As if that's an insult. Some fans just really hate the idea of male and female vtubers working together.
i remember that a very big content creator (maybe ninja?) had a strict rule that he'd never collab with a woman. remember hearing his reasoning and thinking ''ok, fair enough''. no difference here
But he had an entirely different reason for not collaborating
@@naniwo4438 it's his principle just like how it's Kanata's. Is that still too hard to understand for you?
@@naniwo4438 "others reasons are valid kanatas are not"
@@Zeon125 you guys sure are defensive. I’m just saying since they had different reasons, they can’t really be compared with each other. Even if the ends are the same, people will listen to the means. I respect Kanata’s choice though.
But he was literally harassed and forced to do the collab in the end, by people like you 😂😂😂😂
This kills the collab beggars
Kanata knows the rules(collab with male=wh0re)
truly idol
Please mald while Liz, Botan, Fubuki, Mori and so many others live their best lives. Oh, and Sora too. Such a nice accurate definition you have going here... lulz
Anyone who has a problem with what she's saying should probably just stick to Nijisanji lol
Or we can be nuanced about the discussion and act civil. I can think that Japan's pure idol culture is toxic while still respecting talents like Kanata. Crazy huh?
@@TheWyrmMage Ikr? this is why western culture is better
no harassment no dea*h threats and no cancellation
@@TheWyrmMage you're calling Kanata toxic, not respecting her.
@@sioux4534 I hope that's sarcastic
@@MFSomething He's not calling Kanata toxic. Her choice is hers to make, and while another person might not agree with the reasoning, they can still respect the decision. His criticism is seemingly aimed more at the culture itself rather than the person.
Once again, Kanata is free to do as she wishes, for whatever reason she chooses. At the same time, I'd still consider Idol Culture as a whole to be incredibly toxic.
The Holostar was a mistake that Yagoo made
They're a biproduct of a time when Hololive was still fairly insignificant. They debuted alongside Third Gen. They were basically throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. At least they had the foresight of separating them in a different branch.
I think if they had waited to see the 'damage' Sankisei would cause to the vtubing scene, they wouldn't even have bothered with Holostars.
Parasocial fans ARE the mistake. Holostars are not. And hate towards them are really lame & unjustified.
@@e.tirtaw3935 You know why I said it was a mistake?
The Hololive market was first created for idols like AKB48. Clearly their market is for boys and male viewers who donate to their idols can only chat with their idols, while male idols who can collab will be able to interact with Hololive girls and maybe it's only natural that there are male viewers a little jealous
@@e.tirtaw3935 And I also don't blame the viewers who don't like it when their idols collab with men
Because of their idol way, there are some who treat the audience as girlfriends. Let's take an example like Nenechi, she treats their male viewers as husbands, so what if there's a male vtuber who collabs with her, will they also be husbands who can talk directly to her? I doubt if the audience doesn't mind it
idol culture is bad * consumes idol concerts * and people should * begs for idol songs * stop supporting it * begs for idol outfits *
In normie's head idol culture is only when something bad happens but the most popular hololive events are all things part of idol culture lmao
Idol fans shocked to discover people can like certain aspects of things AND still criticize negative aspects of them as well, more news at eleven.
@@brat894 you can like something and still be critical of the negative things, just because people like idols doesn't mean they HAVE to defend gachikoi and unicorns.
@@Sheriff_Curtis So you consume all the good idols aspects but it's suddenly bad when there's something you don't like in it? actual parasite behavior
@@royalhole143 Thats clearly not what was said. Are all idol fans this brain-dead or is this a you problem specifically? How did you even make that leap?
Is this video still causing seethe?
Ninja tried to say this a few years back and some idiot Twitch easily offended types got angry at him for it.
If you don't want to do it, don't do it. You shouldn't be forced to collab with people you're not comfortable with.
I remember Markiplier and Jacksepticeye stopped collabing because of a portion of their respective fanbases that were incessantly shipping the two together (despite the fact that Mark was, and is still IIRC, in a committed relationship), and it became incredibly uncomfortable for them, and I've always felt bad for them because they didn't deserve that nonsense.
@@shinigamimiroku3723 Both of them are currently in long term relationships with women. Sean’s gf is actually an amazing streamer
@ModernEphemera Oh, Sean does? I haven't followed him in quite awhile... Definitely glad to hear it. ^_^
Oh yeah, that dude got ridiculed for refusing to collab with girls coz he's married right?
Ninja was stupid for saying that.
Based Kanata as always
Her newer costumes look like blue archive character
An idol's brand is their lifeline. Kanatan knows this. All the Holomems know this. They've each defined "idol career" in their own way, but I respect that they've locked in those definitions and maintained their own brands.
I should say the keyword is "career", not necessarily "idol", as we can't forget they have their own personal ideals outside of all this and keep them healthily separate.
everyone has a different view on what they want for their career.
And i think we as fans should as you say, respect them for it
Plus there are plenty of male and girl collabs out there for the people who want those
I think the problem here is a lot of viewers have massive difficulty separating between those two, and not fully understanding that these girls are playing a character/persona...which, with the always looming threat of doxxing and even self-incited pon ala Rushia, will always be a ticking time bomb.
Her choosing freely who she wants to collab with is one thing. That's as it should be.
If people, generally speaking, were decent enough to take that as just her opinion, that'd be fine, but people make an expectation out of that about idol culture and go out of their way to tar and feather idols who fall short of that ideal. People legit go into super hate/anti mode b/c a woman did a collab with a man, and saying that this is "ideal" reinforces that. Hell no to that. That's not OK.
THIS.
This is what the unicorns and their vt friends dont understand. What's behind them. Sure, they may be really shy or afraid of males, but those shitters are using it as an convenient excuse to enforce their shitty rules. No different than an abusive boyfriend.
@@Yutani_Crayven It is the ideal, and it is ok. Deal with it.
Things like doxing obviously isn’t, but they absolutely deserve to lose their jobs over it.
If you can’t even handle the bare minimum requirements for an extremely privileged position, then you sure as fuck shouldn’t have it...
You attitude is NOT ok...
i'll take japanese idol culture ALL DAY instead of Cardi B or Kanye West bs from western world
hololive could make my beautiful dark twisted fantasy but kanye couldnt have made ねねねねねねねね！大爆走
@@d9zirable yeah but could they have made graduation though?
1.1k comments (at the time of writing) just because most people can't wrap around the idea of the girls collabing or not collabing with guys because that's how they feel.
Cross gender collab begging for the girls who aren't comfortable with guys is like throwing someone who can't swim in deep waters because you want to force them to know how to swim.
On the other end, collab HATING for girls who want to collab with guys is like chaining them away from their freedom.
mad respect Kanataso👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Sorry, she's not a feminist, sorry to break it to you.
I'm just glad that any Hololive member is willing to Collab with Holostars. I'm also thankful that Kanata is open and honest with her opinion, so the fans don't have any expectations. Hololive is awesome!
So these are the Hololive talents who don't want to collaborate with the opposite sex so far.
- Shirogane Noel
- Shiranui Flare
- Amane Kanata
- Sakura Miko
why are you making a list you creep
- IRyS
- Fauna
- Gura
- Mumei
- Kiara
These ENs know collaborating with male vtubers will tank their popularity.
@@amber1862 Kiara just hates men in general tho
@@afqwfasdasd8809 false and backed with malice. there was a time she asked if its okay to collab with guys and a good amount of kfp employees said no, and thats enough for her to make her stance. overall, Kiara is just european and has a preferred collab partner, stop spewing nonsense.
lol I wonder why
kanata is really an angel
All these speculations on why isn't she collabing with males.
you guys are hilarious.
Kanata should be allowed to have her personal image of an ideal idol without people hating her for it because it's a personal choice. People on the other side shouldn't hijack what she is saying to push a "pure idol" only agenda because she is clearly fine with others doing what they want to. It's so annoying that these people exist and will purposely misinterpret what she is saying.
Just watch nijisanji and leave us alone if you can't handle this
I agree with Kanata's image of an ideal idol.
By the way.
She said she had never had a boyfriend and would never.
She said she won't get married or give birth.
She has vowed to continue to be an "idle", which she had been wanting to be since she was a child, until Hololive ends.
She is so determined and I deeply respect and love her.
Weird comment section
People conveniently forget that one of the main reasons Hololive exploded in popularity the way it did was how it willingly embraced the CGDCT image. For a lot of people, it's not so much about watching idols as it is about watching an anime like K-On. Even Miko has literally said she loves being in Hololive because it feels like she's going to an all girls highschool every day. Targeting the CGDCT market has also been extremely lucrative for Hololive. All these new changes like "holopro" and new viewers begging for collabs are putting the girls in an awkward spor every time it comes up because most of them are 100% fine with things remaining where they are now.
I mean it all goes down to the old saying if it aint broke dont fix it and no Japans abysmal birth rate is not gonna get fixed by getting rid of idol culture lol
these are real People your talking about so CGDCT seems weird ngl
@@derjaxx5302 what the fuck does Japan's birth rate have to do with idol culture? 💀
I'm unsure what you mean by "All these new changes like 'holopro' "
It’s very lucrative, but also a dangerous and exploitative market to explore. The fans can get insanely toxic 😓
Based
I definitely trust Cover with who they scout its up to the talent what type of content they create and who they want to cater to
yup, like what ame said. she trusted cover scouts.
Manu Aloe also trusted cover and one of their manager raped her and cover swept the whole incident under the rug.
@@Yuri-si2gw Im referring to the talents they hire as Vtubers also Aloe graduated because of harassment from online you're thinking of Mel who was harassed and blackmailed by a manager which was definitely a big fuck in their early days but it wasn't covered up.
Thanks for clearing things up
@@derjaxx5302 It wasn't covered up _after_ Mel went to a dramatuber with the story. Which, incidentally, is what it took to get Cover to do something about it.
If the people here who are asking us to collaborate with men would support Holostars on a regular basis they could always get a four-digit audience. LOL.
Who in the world are the fans here who are disagreeing with Kanata's opinion, Kanata and Hololive are the best Vtuber group in the world with this policy.
I am. This policy is segregation, and they recently did away with this "no touch policy" between hololive and holostars, which has increased viewers and interest in Hololive as a whole due to fun and congenial collaborations. If Kanata wants to not collaborate, that's fine, but she's missing out on friendships and content that would be great for fans and streamers alike by choice.
@@charlesqbanks the "no touch policy" between Hololive & Holostars has been gone since 2019
@@charlesqbanks That policy hasn't existed since BEFORE Hololive was a huge deal. That being said, if the Japanese prefer to segregate these kinds of matters, it's not the place of foreigners to tell them otherwise.
@@willkrueger3857 I was watching Hololive since before then, but it seems the practical changes have not yet been fully realized by the Japanese branches due to the traditional Idol ideal. Some Japanese themselves have been coming out more and more in support of ending this sort of segregation and idol culture, since so many ex and would be idols have had their lives destroyed or been taken advantage of, stalked, victimized, or had negative experiences due to the savage fanaticism of it's fans, mis-management of corporate entities etc. which is no longer only a Japanese problem, but also an international one. It also creates an unrealistic standard of real women, objectifying them as well. There are so many problems with it, it's hard to believe that anyone would want to support it to me. Again, more power to Kanata and those who would aspire to that ideal, but I'm glad it's becoming less common. My saying this is not going to make a lick of difference in the grand scheme of things though.
@@charlesqbanks Like you said, SOME Japanese do, but they're an unbelievably small minority in Japan, and so their views don't matter much when talking about cultural norms. There will ALWAYS be a minority of people that agree with every societal norm. This expectation of never speaking to men does not extend to normal women, the word idol exists for a reason, they're a symbol as much as they are a person. They choose to live that life too, it's not like they were forced to be Idols.
kanatan, my hero
Shout out the the girls still holding out for us “para social” fans. Especially in EN. Honesty don’t know what’s even so wrong about being a “parasocial” “unicorn”. Like we’re not inherently evil or doing anything bad, we’re just a little weird and wanna watch CGDCT. I do agree anit’s of any kind are bad however usually the loud minority
Because to them it's not about talent freedom, it's about wanting to "win" and pwn the 'parasocial incels' so they can feel superior. If it was truly about talent freedom these "people" wouldn't constantly be in the superchats or comments of girls who do CGDCT begging for collabs or showing up to vids like this to seethe, they'd be peacefully watching their male collabs elsewhere.
@@MondayMacabre i can smell a 4chan vt shitter from a mile away.
I mean... kanata isnt doing it for that reason though? Kanata is one of the least parasocial Hololive members. I find it weird that this is your takeaway in all this. Also wanting the girls not to collab with guys and being parasocial arent even linked UNLESS you get jealous about that, which... yeah that's bad. Maybe you aren't quite aware of what these terms truly entail?
I personally dont enjoy mixed collabs much and am glad Kanata sticks to girls only collabs, but it's because I don't enjoy the dynamics between guys and girls very much. Everyone has their own preferences and that's cool. Even I make exceptions sometimes when I watch Nijisanji or some of Towa's Apex streams. It just leads down a bad road when you start to believe the streamer is your personal friend or flirting with you or "impure" if she does interact with men.
@@MondayMacabre Yeah its pretty much this, and these videos just make these people crawl out of the woodwork as seen by how many comments there are. Like the amount of people on Twitter especially who jerk off at the thought of Gura collabing with a man to "own the incels", is actually pathetic.
@@yoursonisold8743 Most of the JP girls are strongly parasocial. If you can't see it, it's generally because you don't know the talent enough. I've seen some ridiculous takes like Pekora not being parasocial/gfe and such when she's extremely possessive of her fanbase.
I'm a Holostars fan and I absolutely ADORE when the boys can interact with the girls, but is Kanata's decision if she wants or not to collab with males.
She is an Idol fan, and she is really clear with her own ideals. It's not good to force people to collab or not with others.
Based
Please we need more people spreading this sentiment.
Hell nah. I'm OK with her choosing freely who she wants to collab with. I'm not OK with her saying that the ideal idol must be pure and never be close to males, work or otherwise. That's toxic AF. If people generally speaking were decent enough to take that as just her opinion, that'd be fine, but people make an expectation out of that about idol culture and go out of their way to tar and feather idols who fall short of that ideal. People legit go into super hate/anti mode b/c a woman did a collab with a man, and saying that this is "ideal" reinforces that. Absolutely not.
@@Yutani_Crayven well what can she do tho? she already said that it is her personal view of the ideal idol. I get that they have some degree of responsibility toward their fan's mindset and such, but I think she talks about this clearly enough that if someone takes it the wrong way, it's on them. Anyone will twist what people said to justify their personal view, the responsibility does not go that far to take account of every delusional fan out there. They will hate male collab either way.
@@Yutani_Crayven the only one being toxic is you. Toxic and delusional. She doesn't owe you anything.
This is like western audience demanding more minorities in movies and the ones against it or vice versa
And I say to that :
I don't care, I only care whether the movie is good or not, are the things you add or remove from movie make the movie better? That's what matters
I'll put my 2 cents in. This post is a little long. Also, I respect her decisions in what she wants to do. I want her to do what she wants and to decide who she wants to hang out with. If that is the professional image she wants to create for herself, more power to her. I might not fully agree with the vision, which is fine.
TLDR: I want people to associate with whomever they want as their own personal choice and not dictated by the crowd or company.
Talking about idol culture broadly:
When it comes to the idol culture, people seem to have their own ideal in what an idol should be and who to associate with. I personally think an idol should associate with whomever they want and be more treated similar to normal musicians and comedians, etc... I suppose I just don't like that one aspect of Japanese otaku pop culture. The way people scrutinize idol for talking to guys who aren't just doing fan signings.
I suppose I've even seen people in western country lose there shit when their favorite artist also started dating someone else, but it feels more extreme in Japanese otaku culture. If a persons ideal is not letting another person associate with the opposite sex then I assume the fan likes the idea of "sharing not touching" the idol with other fans and has this sort of weird parasocial connection. Which I might just never fully understand. Since I never fell that deep in that rabbit hole.
I've only seen the surface area with occasional pits here and there.
Side note: some might say they are selling a lie or fiction. In which case I see that as actors. The person who has issues with them not being in character 24/7. Need to wake up and realize that it is fiction. They are real people who have emotions and thoughts. Some want to have a personal life behind the character. It's fine to divulge in the lie, but in the end, it is a lie, if you want to follow someone who sells you that lie by all means go for it. I just wonder how long they are able to hold that image.
At the end of the day, these words are just opinions that people can criticize. To say there is an ideal way to go about how things should be, I wouldn't know. I'm not an arbitrator of the culture. I'm just some random 20 something year old dude in a comment section. :p
Chat: No choice but become a girl.
Yo men have been doing this for a while now...
B A S E D
To all the Nijifans triggered and say she's saying this because of gachikoi, Kanata has already said multiple times she's not attracted to men, so the big scary incels you are trying to own were already shot down and you are just pissing and shitting yourself for no reason
Are the nijifans here in the room with us?
@@laurifer2667 seems to be a lot of them ever since their shitty 3d got cancelled
@@mudkipsarelife4885 How to know they live rent free in you guys head: insert them in a conversation that has nothing to do with them just to gratuitously insult them for no reason.
It's like Xbox vs Playstation idiots but even more dumber.
@@laurifer2667 You know, reading the comment section before talking shit is not that hard. Also, who else cares about this shit more than Nijifans and their absolute hatred for this supposed "idol culture" that doesn't even apply to vtubers at all?
@@laurifer2667 shitting on nijis is fun and you should do it too
Tokino Sora is the most respected idol in the vtuber industry, one of the OGs and she collabs with anyone she wants and that should be respected.
Amane Kanata is a very respected and beloved idol in her own right and she has her own views, those should be respected as well.
Idol culture isn't toxic, "fans" that try to control or mold the idols into what THEY want are the toxic ones.
You realize fans are part of the culture right? Yes, idol culture is toxic because those fans are allowed free roam. Idol culture tells those fans to be that way. It’s not immediate nor will it change immediately but it’s a long process over years that keep it that way. And one person realizing just how bad it is at a time is how it changes. When idols can be human and not be afraid of being roasted alive by their own “fanbase” is when idol culture isn’t toxic. Til then, here we are.
Most talent agencies have been encouraging that behavior for years. Cover being one of the outliers doesn't make idol culture not toxic.
Sora is the most respected idol? Sora gets called whxre and slxt on 4chan daily for supporting male talent by the same crowd who are rejoicing over what kanata said. Unicorns are the most disingenuous forms of fans in existence. If kanata had come out and said "I'd like to work with x from holostars" this whole comment section would be singing a different tune. Just ask mori ame and kronii unicorn hate them so much for collabing with whom they want that they even fabricated audio of them using an ai Voice enhancer to copy the chuubas voices and made vocaroo audios of them having sexual activities with horses.
@@Yuri-si2gw And who cares about what people in those places say?
@@Yuri-si2gw who the fuck give a shit about 4chan opinion lmao
At this point, 'idol culture' is a topic that has been beaten into the ground.
Infantilising the talents is weird, they can make their own decisions as adults. To respect their decisions would be the right course, and if it doesn't sit well with you, just find another one.
a lot of deadbeats bashing on idol culture in this comment section
like oshi like fans
beggers in shambles
unicorns in shambles at VCR 😂😂😂
@@chakalabradoresWh*res collabing in VCR. Okay? They were never idol. You NEVER watched any of these girls stream.
@@ant3710 Peak incel behavior on display here 😂
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Rather, I feel that the idea of "having to collaborate with the opposite sex" is outdated. Interacting only with people of the same sex is also a form of diversity and should be respected.