Nightmare Electric Vehicle Charging Installation - Part 1 - Electrician Life
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- Nightmare Electric Vehicle Charging Installation - Part 1 - Electrician Life.
Join us as we carry out a workplace electric vehicle charging installation consisting of 4 MyEnergi Zappi electric vehicle charging points mounted on pedestals for this commercial workplace charging the client. The job turned out to be a bit of a nightmare as you can see from this video, we hit a few unexpected problems which made the job take longer and it was a lot of work but we got there in the end! Stay tuned for part two where you can see us mounting the electric vehicle charging points and running in all the cables, connecting, and testing. These four 7kW charge points will be used to charge the electric vehicles that the company has bought as company cars and also to charge the electric vehicles of visitors who come to visit the workplace.
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Good to see a three phase setup rather than just a domestic setup. I like commercial installs, no moving pants and wardrobes
Hahahah Moving Pants
Sometimes depending on the powdercoat you don't get continuity from the box to the earth bar that's why I was always taught to use banjos however pirana nuts are great
Yeah some of the powder coating is thick I tend to remove some of it.
As someone who used to be a groundworker, you guys should really get a civils team in to run some ducts out... chasing concrete slabs like that is just a recipe for disaster plus it doesn't comply with Health and Safety Executive guidance on buried services. A shallow install like that would be chopped straight through with a floor saw if someone came to do proper work in the future
Totally agree, the time and effort chasing the slab and patching back up for an average outcome, it would probably be cost effective to drill down through concrete and get a water boring crew to insert a conduit out to a hole in the lawn. .
I'm keen on seeing those four cables in that little concrete groove! Especially, I would like to see the refilled grooves again after a few years. Not easy to avoid cracks in such a situation. I hope you did pay attention to the fact that you have an accumulation of four cables reducing the current carrying capacity. Additionally, if the sun's radiation can reach the concrete surface of your cable run around noon, you might have to calculate with a ground temperature of 40-50 °C. I guess, under theses circumstances, a 6 mm² cable can only be loaded about 25 A.
Wouldn't it be possible to run only one cable to each couple of zappis and installing a waterproof junction box next to them?
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That working space is something else
You HAVE to clip where Jordan says ‘a brand new installation’ (at 11.25) whilst waving his hands in the air, a perfect meme 😂
Awesome video. can see a lot of effort going into these videos, some of the drone shots were epic. Shout out to Corey too, is there anything he can’t do? Very clever lad. Looking forward to pt 2.
Thanks!
I would either have used a disc cutter for the trenching or subbed that out to the ground workers. At your hourly rates surely the time spent chasing could have been more profitable?
Love the videos. Glad to see you wearing the face shield. My first job in the '80s was working in an old factory converted to offices where the fuse box was being moved, this was done live as the computers couldn't be switched off. During removal, the fuse box tipped forward and a bus bar touched the electrician's screwdriver. he didn't get a shock, but his screwdriver vaporised and he received 40% 3rd degree burns to his face and torso. He died 3 days later in hospital. You may want to wear something thicker than a tea shirt too ;)
I think the moral of that story is, if they won't have the power off then the job doesn't get done.
That cable tie trick works well if you are doing the steel wiring the old stool method too, use a cable tie or two next to your cut line to keep the sheathing and wiring sturdy while you hacksaw the wire.
Only 21 mins 😔😔😔. Been waiting for this videos for ages.
Part 2 coming soon!
You know someone makes quality TH-cam content when people wish the videos were longer lol
I have been telling you for ages about Hilti glad you made the move quality tools with quality service attached and made for heavy duty use and your right their application on concrete is the best.
Get some tape or signage to put a barrier around the work area to signal that work is still in progress also alerts people to take care around it.
Thanks 👍
If you think the chaser is good the sds plus and max drills are top notch. Beat any of the other makes tools hands down. The Hilti bits will cut through rebar and the ATC system stops binding when you hit a hard spot saving your wrist and arm.
Jordan, lovely video as per usual.👍🏼 Nice to see a change from the normal domestic dwelling work.🙂 Commercial work can be rewarding if done right. I personally would've subbed out the grounds work.🤔 Cory well-done lad, your expertise & knowledge is shining through. Overall good effort.👏🏼 Looking forward to part 2.😉
Nice job guys. If everyone was as attentive to detail and took pride in their work and equipment like you guys, the world would be a better place.
Thanks Jon
Cory just lugging the vacuum cleaner and 110v transformer 😂
LOL
Great video Jordan. Looking forward to seeing the finished installation. Cory has a very calm aura about him even when things don’t go to plan. Makes the viewer calm too. Keep the videos coming!
Best wishes.
Thanks!
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Personally I'd have put a single loop in those 25mm tails into the bottom of the sub panel breaker. If at anytime in the future one overheats and needs to be trimmed back, the next guy will be cursing you 😉
Great comment Chris.
That is such a massive point, I cringed when I watched it.
Yeah good shout
Don’t agree with this, it looks shit and if it’s overheats and burns out then that’s the installers problem surely so if does go faulty you charge for repairs?
@@b96m13 Not when it comes to commercial premises, if they ever get an imbalance on the supply and it surges with inductive loads (which is common in commercial premises with lots of CNC's / automills and lathes) it can knock out a phase and cause over heating on the conductors. That's why in most instances pre surge protection devices you'd see capacitor banks and voltage filtering arrangements, and in the larger sites still do.
It's very much belt and braces due to the fact most commercial grade installs carry a risk of down time and loss of revenue if things aren't planned properly, which in some cases a companies insurance won't cover and has bankrupted many a company in the past. This is a small install with a dedicated board for EV charging points so it's not an issue I'd be concerned with in this case but for larger boards/ sites it's something that must be taken into account.
@@effervescence5664 totally agree mate I work industrial myself and would do the same , the point I was making it was just a daft board for a car charger so a loop wouldn’t really be necessary 👌
WOW!!! A lot messed the wires into the panels. Need to re original wire safety the panels. Ahh Need to replace new large panel.. Great job! Very funny Cory Thumb up! Cheer!
I don’t know about you guys in the uk 🇬🇧 but in Ireland. your cables need to be 600 mm down in pedestrian walkways for Ev chargers
I'm in France, it's 80cm where vehicules drive, and 50cm without passage.
It should be at least 45cm to 60cm.
But in the UK you can do a "risk assessment" and justify whats okay. Tbh I think that's horseshit. So there you go.
@@Woodkin007 how can you risk assess something like that and get an outcome that cables being shallow are ok? Risk assessments are only any good if they’re done properly and not just done as a tick box. For the extra effort I personally think it would be worth digging deeper. Contractors will not expect a cable to be a few inches down when they dig it out in the future.
@@crim7ind ah, how indeed?
Paranoia vs foresight...
3 phase a bit from the norm and excellent I must say. Love this channel.
Thanks!
It is the “A” team !!
Thanks!
Really enjoy these videos as an old age apprentice. Banjo discussion has been food for thought.
Interested why that Hilti took so long. Surley there are better tools to go through that concrete, like perhaps a disk cutter ? I couldn't imagine a ground worker using that Hilti, as tidy as it looks.
Looking forward to part 2. 7kw single phase Zappi's over 3 phase 22kw seems like an oversight for future proofing and load balancing though.
Main take away though is with commercial units especially old heating boards when first quoting for the job always inspect and test the board, come across loads that have been disconnected due to instantaneous water heaters over loading the neutral bar, at least a couple a year on commercial premises. Protects yourself and the client from unforeseen costs.
Nice to see Cory teaching you a few things though!
Nice one lads. That SWA slice is good.....I’ve got the CK version.
Those banjos are a pain.....I believe you are allowed to use the earthed metallic casing to earth your SWA unless the steel is being used as the CPC, in which case there is a requirement for banjos.
That said, I always banjo the supply end if the SWA is purely mechanical protection. I banjo both ends If used as CPC. I always use brass nuts and bolts too. Using steel gutter nuts and bolts is common but some will say it isn’t right.
Thanks, I’ve got a song by Adele stuck in my head now😂! Keep up the good work 👍
Immediately looked at the comments when he said that, was not disappointed.
Too funny, had a silly American senior moment, saw Jordan getting out of the car on the wrong side of the car and then it dawned on me, UK people drive on the wrong side! 🤣🤣👍
🤣🤣🤣
Excellent video👍
I’m 21 and really Don’t think you can beat making off an armoud the old fashion way with a hack saw 😂 then again I have been taught by old school commercial sparks 😂😂
For a young man, you seem a bit stuck in the past. 😉
i don't use either just file
Use a bandsaw haha
Fair one, looks like you've got a really good team there 👍.
Thanks!
Great video, hard work by the looks of it, can't wait for next episode.
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Part 1 in title is such a let down! :) Like when you see a TV show that is part 1 and now have to wait until next week to see how it progresses! Keep up the good work guys.
Thanks! Part two will be up on Wednesday 8pm!
Nice explanation.
1:44 A bit of Adele then, "Chasing Pavements" 😆😆😆
😂
Loved this video. Learnt loads as usual with you guys👍🤛
Thanks!
cant wait love the work
I would sub the civils side of it there are people much better geared up to do it nice video though
Tip: twist cable ties off with snubb nose pliers instead of snips, get a much cleaner finish
You don’t need to chase the concrete outside but rather excavate under the concrete slab and run the cable underneath
Ooooooo... That SWA splicer does look good, perfect for bigger SWA not so such how good it would be against the smaller stuff.
Earthing nuts should be 'teeth side' down if used on a metal enclosure for paint scratching and flat side down if being used to fix an SWA into a plastic enclosure
Just love your video content, and cant wait for Part 2
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It's Stange seeing the mix of electrical installations in England O.o
The 3 phase board looks like a american installation and some boards have DIN rails (DIN = Deutsche Industrie Norm = German Industry Rule) others are completely unique to the UK ...
For me a German where everything is DIN its really interesting.
And the interesting thing is: They call it DIN rail, we call it literally translated "hat rail" here due to the form of the profile. From the side it looks like a hat in profile.
And a better translation for DIN would be: German Institute for Standardisation.
When you put that new three phase board in did you check the phase rotation of the incoming cables? A lot of times the cables jointers can mess it about, and it's vital for harmonics with the sensitive electronic components that we now take for granted.
Yes we did.
Great work
I hope you credited Adele for Chasing Pavements
13:37 I prefer using Piranha nuts than Banjos to be honest. The grub screw can be an arse if you are in a confined area but on the other side of the coin, they are thicker than the nuts which come with the glanding kit. They are great and I don't swap the nut over as I leave the teeth side keeping in contact with the DB. Only time I use the blunt side is on IP rated WISKA boxes.
Great video.. Looking forward to the next part.
Thanks!
Buen video, estuvo entretenido. Lo que dice Cory en el tiempo 19:52 me ha pasado harto, aveces cuando estoy a cargo de una obra debo picar muros o hacer trincheras y se ocupa mucho tiempo en eso, aparte me dejaban solo trabajando... y cuando llegaba el jefe a buscarme (para ir a casa) obviamente se pone a revisar lo que he hecho, pero me da esa inseguridad que derrepente el jefe esta opinando que trabaje poco en el día, pero en realidad trabaje un montón y sin parar xD
Saludos team Artisan!
Morning, I'm just going to echo the other comments.
Using a wall chaser on a concrete floor is just nuts, hire out a disc cutter and a bloody great kango.
Hopefully you are ducting the feeds at a suitable depth and have considered the correction factors. Possibly running the cat5 in a separate duct.
For me I use the bango, unless it's a tight space. There is enough waste in the world without throwing away bangos. Send them to Bundy 🙂
I've not tried those holesaws yet, but if your drilling into a panel then could you cover the switchgear with a cloth to stop the metal bits finding there way into the components.
I'm surprised when you initially surveyed the job you didn't take the covers off and were happy to use a old board and sub main without any testing.
It's very easy to cristize another persons work after the fact. I am an electrician and making these observations from mistakes I've made on site, was the job last minute and rushed, it comes across in the video as unplanned.
presume that's a metric 18 inch deep cable trench
Great work guys love watching your videos. The only problem I can see is you was using full PPE when using the chaser, then no mask for when using the chisel bit and long drill bit and leaf blower. Silica related illness in my opinion will out strip asbestos as a disease. You have a good mask with the JSP other point have you had a face fit test? That’s the only way to prove the mask fits the user. You only get one set of lungs keep them safe. Again love watching your videos
Great job 😎😎😎
Armored cables seem to be some Britain's fetish. Like what for do you need the 3m of cable between two boxes to be armored for? :D
Think Cory deserves a pay rise he's a real asset to you Jordan
Would have been easier if the two big bosses moved their reserved charging space over 2, but they wouldn't do that would they? 😀
See you are doing an Adele ... by Chasing Pavements . Ha Ha
I know your being professional and I respect that but I do laugh when you have that arc flash helmet on
Yeah we try our best to look like muppets in every video LOL
The only thing i reacted on was Cory standing right nexto Jordan without a helmet on. :)
We lost a phase into one of our properties one Sunday morning and this guy turned up from SSE at the sub in a non branded car, put on arc flash helmet and lobbed a new fuse on our outgoing. Sorted. I respect electricity but the guys who do substation and HV networks have my respect
I say this every video, but your videos are quality. Always brilliant footage and a big mix of the type of work you do.
I am a Electrician too and as soon as you put a tool of the day up I always end up ordering it.
Would you say that tool you used for stripping the armour of the SWA was better than the CK armour slice?
Thanks! Only buy the Knipex Tubix if you are doing larger SWA cables, it doesn't work on small ones. perfect for 25mm 4 core etc but not for the 6mm 3 core.
Sounds a good effort all-round except for the wholesaler who ought to know better than not to have Schneider in stock.
Yup
I've had problems with Nissan Leaf refusing to charge on 3 phase due to voltage problems! Not sure if it's just a problem with the OEM charge cable, but it's something to watch out for.
Its like watching an apprentice make an armoured off stick to twin and earth
Constructive comment 🙄
I would have allowed for some slack on that 25m armoured just in case you get a blow out then you don't have to remake off the armoured cable.
good job guys Jordan , Cory and John
Thanks!
That old panel board looked like a Square D switchboard with plug in circuit breaker modules. Parts haven’t been available in Australia for about 15 years so just as well you replaced it.
Yeah thats right! My uncle owns a business that sells old redundant circuit breakers so I get them from him
what’s with the visor?! If you are wearing that, how about some arc flash protective clothing?!
Thinking exactly the same thing. I know every little helps but arc suits aren't too expensive. My 10 cal/cm2 suit was 105 from pulsar. It may not be enough for protection depending on incident energy calculations but it can't hurt to go along with the progarm visor he is wearing
Nice one 👍
Thanks
Here's a hack a friend taught me if you don't want to use Banjo's or P. Nuts....don't cut away all the strands from the SWA and make sure it not less than half the size on the line conductors to terminate to the earth Bar and sleeve it, which gives you total continuity, as no joints in the strands, lugs or fly leads that might break down , please comment if you feel its wrong
Yeah I feel like that’s wrong
@@artisanelectrics Why?
Love watching you guys videos always really informative and interesting 😃 on this one tho personally would have used a sthil saw and a propper electric breaker would of done it in less than half the time of that chasing machine plus could actually make it wide enough for a trench shovel to fit in without having to run through more than once 😄 a good showcase for how heavy duty that hilti chaser is tho 👍🏻
Merin Gerin PowerPact Moulded Case Circuit breakers - I can smell the 80`s
Great video! I'm a bit surprised to see you guys doing all the hard concreat cutting yourself, but you are usually doing a fantastic drilling job, so I guess it should be physically hard but easy for you.
I only wonder.. why didn't you think on using a cuttingblade big enough, so it lasts from top to buttom of the concreat?
They didn't want the 3 phase chargers to get the cars up and running again more quickly? Or say charging a greater % of the battery at the cheapest time?
Great vid once again. Thanks for sharing. 🐵
Thanks for watching!
For concrete like that you're much better off hiring in a stihl saw - it would have eaten through that lot in no time!
Even a 9 inch grinder would have sorted that in a few minutes
Demo saw or road saw is what we use here in Aus. Cuts like a knife through butter! Depth is what I’m concerned about. In Australia we have to have it a minimum of 500 mm deep even under a continuously paved area and we mark all our underground runs on the switchboard for future reference
I’m with Cory, Cut Your Cable Ties Flush. why don’t people just do it anyway
We use these Thomas & Betts ERG50 Ergonomic Hand Tool for Nylon Cable Ties 18 to ... www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003A6BWGW/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_api_glt_fabc_PTD38WSVCDE6G4GY09QD in my line of work. Cut the cable tie off perfectly flush as not to damage oxygen hosing. They also correctly tension the cable tie.
Cannot beat a hilti been around for ages still the best
Totally!
Love it! Awesome video Jordan, always learn loads from you guys! 😎 Was just wondering if you have done much PAT testing and had any advice on it? Was thinking of getting into a bit of it 😃
Thanks! My brother runs a PAT testing company.
@@artisanelectrics Ah nice one! Hope that's going well for him. Good to hear it's do-able 😅 Thanks for the great content and replies 😃👍👌
10:32 Help me understand why cutting a trench in the sidewalk is preferred over conduit under the concrete (which it looks to me like you've dug down almost that far anyway)
Less than one meter, I'd tunnel under that concrete walkway to push thru cable.
Otherwise is that concrete exceedingly deep, or it tunneling under not permitted ?
good stuff
Thanks!
you're making it look easy
Banjo's are pointless!..unless you are working on a insulated C.U. or Dist. Board
Great video guys👍🏻 just a thought, should the new DB have surge protection?
Yes we did fit surge protection
Hi,
As per usual excellent video but a little confuse how did you price the work after you seem to of found defective electrical equipment which needed to be replaced after you started the work? Keep up the good work and stay safe.
Customer was informed there would be extra costs to install a new DB. They were fine with it. We kept additional costs to a minimum.
did the client asked for zappies or youas a professional and becasue of your good experience with them recommended them? either way zappie seems like a good EV charger as you proved in one of your older videos 😍😍😍😍
Yeah we recommend them as our go to option for most clients
I have the same problems with my mobile phone. Its a pain in the ass to charge.
So how long are those posts going to be there before someone drives into them?
Are you going to buy an e-transit when they come out. No good for us tradies in Australia. I do 500+ks a day someday. Maybe when the batteries get a bit better.
Please make video of CT connection
@16:00 - I'd be worried about marring the finish to the powder coating of the consumer unit.
Are you charging the customer for the time you and the camera person are making the video?
Don’t suppose you kept any of the old D Squared MCBs that you’d be willing to sell?
You ll fail AM2 for not doing the banjo
Just out of interest the tile tape / covers you used what make are they and where did you source From???
there is a cable tie tool that manufacturers use and does it
Are insulated gloves no longer needed on a board that has not been proven to be locked-out and dead !!!
Master/slave? We now say master/subordinate... :) great vid!
Good one!
Get yourself a petrol saw and water pump
It's a wonder you didn't kane your clients for a new MEM 3 board like the last video. Dropping the mem 2 board but leaving the original MEM buss bar instead of installing a sub board.