James Callaghan interview | Labour Party | Prime Minister | This Week | 1978
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- Labour Prime Minister James Callaghan faces question from Journalists Fred Emery, Peter Jenkins and host Llew Gardner regarding the UK's industrial future and the push for increased pay rises.
First Shown: 20/07/1978
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Callaghan's last line "You never reach the promised land. You can march towards it" appears in many books of quotations - nice to hear the original.
It's something which today's leaders (and the electorates to whom they speak) would do well to ponder. So much utopian nonsense spoken all across the political spectrum, but people seem to swallow it and believe it.
@@Compleme_CunmYeah, but James seems to have read #Exodus but never got as far as #Joshua.
Fantastic interview. Very respectful journalists and Mr. Callaghan giving straight answers.
Back when newsmen asked important questions putting the PM on the spot without the trashy 'gotcha' style journalism we so often have now
Sitting here watching this (I was seven years old when this was recorded) lamenting that we'll never again see a current prime minister directly interviewed and debated, in a calm, polite, respectful and intellectual manner ever again. It's gone.
I think modern politicians are a product of modern interviewers..
or is it the other way round? Mmmmm.
@@MrDunkiep I think it's probably both, since interviewers and politicians have figured out that braying like a jackass and pretending that everything is an existential crisis that must! be! solved! by! shouting! that! everyone! on! the! other! side! is! a! traitor! gets a sizable part of the population to click, whether it's clicking on a TV channel or website or clicking a box on a ballot.
Standards have dropped immensely.
Those in charge seem to think that we're all too stupid to be able to listen to long answers, fully outlining someone's point of view. It's all set up for the soundbite as apparently we can only understand an answer of less than twenty syllables.
I will grant, a great many people probably do just prefer the modern format (usually so they can vent their outrage on social media with a short clip attached) but give me this every time.
Few topics fascinate me more than British politics. Good interview!
A true statesman compared to the ridiculous Eton schoolboy we now have.
Good interview. It is not a myth that the politicians of this era were a good deal more direct than their modern day counterparts. Can we have more footage of Harold Wilson? The interview on the EEC referendum is brilliant - you must have more in the archives.
Wilson was a genius in every way. Id like to see the likes of paxman or that rat piers morgan try and get him on the ropes, as with mr callaghan also
There's one here: th-cam.com/video/FvvW8eP1AAs/w-d-xo.html
History is already getting a bit of clarity on Callaghan after some decades unjust vilification. He was the last old school honest politician (whether he's right or wrong on policy). His nuanced approach, relating to the public as if they're bothering to understand the complexities of governance, was proven naive and unworkable. No politician winning power has made this mistake. The electorate gets what it deserves I suppose. Hopefully the fantasy doesn't end in a boiling planet or a nuclear winter or a global authoritarianism based on China.
1 year later...... LOL
Thatcher was also old school. Answered questions, had true cabinet government.
@@GA-wq8xq Thatcher was an honest political powerhouse, yes. She was also a merciless zealot, 100% invested in her 'side' dominating the fight for power; which she did for the entire 1980s.
But Thatcher wasn't decent. Not in that old school, no spin, almost naive duty-of-care Callaghan is talking about in the clip.
If anything Thatcher broke the 20th-century patrician mould and in its place left a winner-takes-all sociopath, i.e. the uncompromising government of polarized, term-to-term authoritarianism that's taken hold in most representative democracies.
In answer to your question, look at parts of Africa, the Caribbean, the US , Europe and Australia and New Zealand, we are becoming under the thumb of China and it’s infuance on the western world.
The do as we say culture is here.
Both the Democrats is the United States and the Labour Party and the Conservatives are unrecognisable from the time of this interview,
The Labour Party hate and I mean hate the working class, Conservatives stand for what?????
And as for the Democrats, yes they do have President Biden , but what dose he and his administration stand for the country as a whole or themselves.
We are at the tipping point and it’s whether the whole human race can come together and save this planet for the future of mankind or we end up spiralling into a nuclear war over resources and land….
We the people must choose the future course wisely ……..
Quite right he was very underestimated and treated very shabbily speaking as a civil servant who was not that far away from what was happening back then long memories are unpopular these days but we still have them
I liked Callaghan. Straight man no sleaze with big Jim
@Matthew Kirkham I'd say he managed a decline that he couldn't really stop, when you lose two expensive world wars and suffer from industrial decline and decolonisation all around the same time. Really it would be impossible to stop, and all any government could do was manage the decline. So ffs, stop the narrow minded soundbites for a moment and look at the facts.
Nearly destroyed the country? Funny that Thatcher only managed 2 out of her 11 years (1988/9) in office where our economy out surpassed 1978 under Jim Callaghan. This was a happier, more egalitarian country before neoliberalism and casino capitalism became a cancer upon this country.
Matthew Kirkham Reductionist.
Matthew Kirkham it’s been 8 months and you’re unable to justify your claim.
How did someone with his background, who spent his whole career in public service, afford a farm in Sussex ?
If Callaghan had called an election in the autumn of 1978 Labour would probably have won with an increased majority. His dithering (like Brown in 2007) led to the Tories winning in 1979.
Kev L “There was I , waiting at the Church “
What makes you think that the Winter of Discontent wouldn't have happened and there wouldn't have been a vote of no-confidence?
@@spittingimageclips3485 If they won seats, they would have won the vote of no confidence as well.
Callaghans private polls suggested by going in78 Labour would only have been the largest party and wouldnt have got a majority. they went for broke by hanging on and lost
Matthew Kirkham How did one man nearly destroy the country?
Had 'In Place of Strife' been implemented in 69/70, history *might* have been very different
I suspect some Labour politicians decided to scupper Barbara Castle's career.
Ironically Callaghan was one of the Labour big hitters that buried Barbara Castle's rather modest proposal at Union reforms. Such as asking for majority ballots before strikes. It would have reduced much of the wild cat strikes of the Winter of Discount. A bewildered Challaghan was stabbed in the back by the Unions he backed all his life. What followed....Thatcher and the Unions really got it then with both barrels. Idiots.
Imagine today's PM facing not one but three journalists at the same time? Boris would fold like a bad deck of cards.
If only he called an election in autumn of 1978, what might have been.
I would have called a snap general election for late September 1978, it would have been a perfect time, weather wise for voters it would have been the last time before winter. Shame Callaghan did not have the balls to call it then.
and might not have been. None of it was either proven or shown by the polls
luckily he didn't and Maggie saved us
I agree 1978 was Labour's best year 3% GDP 9% inflation. He bottled it frankly, he would of stood a chance in October that year. Conversely, 1974 - 79 was so mixed and very bleak at times the Conservatives may have walked it regardless. Sadly, the 1980s were far worse with 3.8 million unemployed and poverty in some areas we didn't think possible. Thatcherism was the politics of narcissism
I would love to see how Margaret Thatcher, John Major, David Cameron and Theresa May would have coped with a 400% increase in the price of crude oil in the space of 2 years and the catastrophic consequences that would cause for the economy. The chances are they would have seen an even higher rate of inflation, trade union activity and economic meltdown than Callaghan was facing.
Margaret Thatcher did live it
Even Margaret Thatcher was way more direct then the clowns of today ' although I didn 't like her ' i always been labour ' Jim Callaghan was one of the best PM 's we ever had ' along with his predecessor Harold Wilson ' David Cameron is my most loathed PM ' a total disaster ' Theresa May and Bozo Johnson are almost as bad ' Blair was too right wing and killed the labour party ' its a true shame that Jeremy Corbyn didn 't win the last election.
This aged well
@@thequestioner5916 ?
@@GetGwapThisYear what I am saying now is boris johnson is facing similar issues to what callaghan did back then
The days when Britain made things, before we burnt the house down and became a service sector, running errands for the rest of the world.
Borderlands - but nobody could afford those things
@@tubularbill Exactly. We priced ourselves out of the market.
It has to be said - Britain's industry was on life support by this point, and had been in steep decline since the 1800s. Thatcher merely pulled the plug on it. Callaghan himself made a famous speech in 1976 talking about how industry was in a terrible state, "paying ourselves more than the value of what we produce" and famously pointed out that ever since the war, Britain had been living on " borrowed ideas, borrowed money and borrowed time".
@@th8257 With the exception of Germany, whose industrial base had been re-equipped and paid for by the allies from 1945, most of Europe was in the same boat in the 1970s. Unlike Britain, European countries did not have a scorched earth policy to domestic production, but a somewhat conservative view of the role of manufacturing for wider society. Thatcher, as a Gladstonian Liberal, dismantled everything to rid herself of the ideological problem of the unions, and sold the remains to the highest bidder. As overseas owned UK production has proved, there's nothing wrong with British workers or their output. The problem was inertia and lack of imagination at the highest levels, aided by inept management, creating a demoralised workforce producing basement goods.
@inspector morse That's why I said lack of imagination was the problem. Austin's A-series engine arrived in 1951 with the A30, and was still being used in the mini in 2000. Triumph's 360o twin motorcycle engine emerged in 1937, and was being put in bikes in the mid-1970s when the factory closed.
R&D and customer satisfaction were alien concepts. This wasn't the fault of the workforce, many of whom were skilled and could have told management exactly what they needed to do. It was top down inertia and complacency - pearls before swine was the prevailing attitude.
Could you imagine politicians being this straight and honest now?
can you imagine newsmen not going for 'gotcha' style journalism?
Imagine if Theresa May refused and evaded questions in the manner Janet Callahan did here.
@@challengeman101 Who the hell is Janet?
@@liamb8644 Good question.
Nope...
FRIENDLY and respectful without the nastiness of Paxman or the sneering and loathing of the present bunch of rabid presenters wanting to subject their VICTIM to abuse. A much better way of discussion that sadly we have lost.
The current mps never give proper answers ,are in the job only for money not to help,and are snakes
6:04 - "Prime Minister, there are 1.5 million unemployed" that's ironic, given it rose to over three million only three years later under Thatcher.
She got unemployment lower than when she came into power
Unemployment averaged 9.5% under Thatcher which was the highest it had been since the depression years of the 1920s and 30s. That figure would've been higher had it not been for the government cynically encouraging men over 50 to claim disability benefits rather than the normal dole money.
A very underrated Prime Minister and as far as I know the only parliamentarian to hold the four great offices of state, Prime Minister, Chancellor, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary.
Yes he was. A unique achievement. Jim Callaghan made the worst mistake in 1978, when he didn't go for a general election in the autumn. If he had have had nerve and courage, he would have won. Thatcher in September/October 1978 was very unpopular, even in her own party. Labour had a small window from July to October 1978 where they were actually doing well in the polls and the country was reasonably stable. It was in mid October 1978 when the hell was let loose. If he had have called an election for September 1978, he would have won, with many saying he could have had a decent working majority of around 50. Oh what a different country we would have been if he had have done that.
@@johnking5174 Totally agree John. Very sad the way things turned out. 🙁
Unfortunately he was pretty hopeless in all of them. It reminds me of John Gielgud on Ingrid Bergmann: " She speaks five languages and can't act in any of them.'
@@benphilips7235 Wasn't he the Chancellor who had to devalue the pound sterling in 1967?
Under trying circumstances I consider him to been a decent PM, though hardly noteworthy considering most that followed. His role as Chancellor is intertwined with the devaluation of the pound in the late 60s, though again, inheriting a huge deficit from the previous administration adds another dimension (perhaps most cringeworthy was Harold Wilson's 'pound in your pocket address'). I know less about his record as HS and FS but will do a bit of research to see if your comment has any merit with regards to these. ATB, Chris
Callaghan was standing on the edge of a precipice: his fabled pay policy which set a limit of 5% collapsed just a few months later when Ford workers went on strike and the company revised its offer to 17% which provided the catalyst for every other union to drive coach and horses through the government's recommended guidelines leading to the Winter of Discontent and sealing the fate of socialism in this country forever.
Even Callaghan himself admitted that the country had had a basin-full and predicted Mrs. Thatcher's victory in the following general election. "The future is Mrs.Thatcher " he is said to have remarked.
Yes it's heartbreaking in some respects when you watch the last the last half of the interview.
I didn't like Callaghan and Healey at the time. But they look like geniuses compared to what followed.
Callaghan was an impressive figure (in contrast to the clown that is Johnson). Its a shame he didn't call a general election in October 1978 for he would probably have won.
He played it safe, and lost terribly in 1979. If he had taken a risk, he could have won, with a decent majority, as Thatcher was still not liked by the majority of the population in summer 1978.
it's a good thing he didn't, luckily Maggie came in and saved us. what a contrast to a buffoon like Starmer
Back in 1978, in order to reduce inflation, we needed to scrap the idea of an "Annual Pay Round".
Back then, Unions would push for wage increases (often way beyond the productivity / output of the workers) every year.
Had Jim Callaghan managed to do this, the infamous "Winter of Discontent" might never have happened.
Without the "Winter of Discontent" there would have been no Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.
The government of the day had a 5% figure for wage increases, which Denis Healey in retrospect considered a mistake. From this interview we see James Callaghan giving up on statutory incomes policies so there was an inevitable free for all where the weak went to the wall.
Pay policies were all really an attempt to avoid unemployment, which had been considered the main evil.
A very dignified interview of James Callaghan.Shame our media now are just pure scum.
More stuff like this, Thames TV.
Britain was in a terrible mess at the time of this interview. Horrendous inflation & the winter of discontent around the corner.
Always loved listening to his speeches especially at the party conference. Astute politician.
following this broadcast Labour took a 6.1% lead over the Tories in the NOP poll (48.5% to 42.4%)
He should have called the general election for September 1978
I understand why he didn't, Harold Wilson and Ted Heath had called elections when they were ahead in the 70s and had lost@@johnking5174
@@daviedovey He had a great lead in the polls - Harold Wilson did call a general election in 1966 and won a thumping majority of over 90 seats. Wilson did call a general election in October 1974 and scraped 3 seat majority - Callaghan had a brief window from June 1978 until November 1978 to use it to get a decent majority, and he backed down because he was scared. I am sorry, if it were me I would have called the election for September 1978, knowing how fickle the British economy was at that point and how it cold easily turn against us, which it did from late October 1978. He was poorly advised.
@@johnking5174 Labour voters are lazy fuckers
@@johnking5174 His own private polls suggested they would have only been the largest party had they gone in the autumn of 78.There are plenty of videos on here including interviews with Bernard O'donoghue stating that.
This was almost a half century ago. Time marches on, baby. under 30K views 3 year video. This recording is a gold standard on how to discuss and debate. Instead we have the kardasians or bill maher and joe rogan. lowbrow stuff today.
I remember when I was - what - no more than 7 years old - my grandmother (in industrial Wales (pre-Thatcher)) - actually chucking her mug of tea at the TV screen when Jim Callaghan was speaking. I wonder if this was the interview that triggered her ballistic response.
Little could she predict, however- or anyone else for that matter - the tornado of total economic destruction in her home town (a place I loved as a child - and now live in as a middle-aged adult) that was to come in 1980.
The town is still in decline, 40 years on, which is a bloody travesty. This one and dozens of others across the UK.
There had to have been a better solution back then, surely, that brought everyone along instead of abandoning entire sections of the population and destroying entire communities.
40 years later, the answer is still, apparently, "no". People must always suffer in Britain today, so that Britain can pretend somehow to be "prosperous".
If the Labour party had a braincell to share in its organisation, it would be campaigning on that one thing: rebuilding communities destroyed by Tory governments. But the PLP is as bad as the Tories were back then - and are actually a lot worse.
People know this.
Clear from this interview why he didn’t call an election in ‘78. By hoping that inflation would stay in single figures and industry would accept 5% pay deal, labour could have won an election the following year.
Peter Jenkins' questioning actually quite prophetic given what happened after 1979. But you can't help but admire Jim Callaghan's straight-talking bluffness. Not sure a Labour politician would say today: "We need more police, we need teachers, we need more social workers... but the centre of the kind of society we want to be lies in the family."
Keir Starmer said that almost word for word in his speech last week. Tony Blair used to say basically that every time he gave a conference speech
Yes, Bernard Donoughue (Chief of Policy for both Wilson and Callaghan from 1974-79), said Callaghan was fundamentally a Victorian at heart, not so much old Labour but rather, antique Labour.
What's going on? Why did nobody ask him if women can have penises?
Those days in the 1970s you couldn't endlessly complain about the Transes and get taken seriously. Because of woke
Whilst in retrospect Callaghan's belief the trade unions would hold the line on wage restraint looks naive he still comes across well here. Confident and knowledgeable but not arrogant. Had the unions gone along with the 5% recommended wage rise, what would a 1979 election result without the Winter of Discontent have been ?
Barbara Castle was right about Sunny Jim I’m
Afraid ;)
I think he lost his way when he sung that church song!
Callaghan was so relaxed, he even had it in him to be wry and sardonic. Despite the circumstances!
These talking points are so familiar in 2024!
Jim and his predecessor Harold were the last great ppl to be leaders
People are sometimes unhappy, not because of slow economic growth, but because of spiritual unease, lack of fulfilment.
Why doesn’t Boris Johnson in 2021 ever agree to do ad lib one to one interviews like this?
Because Johnson’s an overrated political coward and cheat
A great statesman, even if you disagree with his policies.
When Thatcher came to power we had 3 Million unemployed, the Falklands islands saved her.
If only Sunny Jim called an election in 1978 then maybe we could have avoided 11 and a half dreadful years of Thatcher.
Bendmydick Cucumbersnatch Agreed! The one time Sunny Jim misjudged the national pulse that autumn before the Winter of Discontent.
You do know that under Labour the UK was bankrupt and had to beg the IMF for an emergency loan.
Then under Brown in 2010 they bankrupt the country.
It will happen again if Corbyn gets in.
Justin Smith No, the Country was not bankrupt on either occasion. You’re parroting right-wing propaganda, and extracting events from the international context. Britain did not need to go to the IMF - the appeal to IMF was based on false figures provided by the Treasury. It is also evidenced by the fact that Callaghan did not draw the full amount, and paid it off before he left office.
What mood of the country? The polls were pointing to a hung Tbatcher win, an election was a gamble. He misjudged the mood of the unions, that they would turn on a Labour govt with Thatcher looming over them; but he was wrong to try to hold the unions to ransom with a monetarist pay policy, counter-inflationary in intent but hitting the lowest workers worst.
Regardless of 78 or 79 election, he couldn't forsee that as soon as they were out of office, the hard left would be able to take over the party and turn it CND, which made them unable to win elections + caused Thatcher to last so long. Otherwise she would not have had a free hand to be so hard + would have been beatable same as Heath.
@@maurice Well let's chuck in the left field life saving Falklands War and Thatcher (in opposition to much of her party) capitalising on the opportunity. Probably sincerely. Her landslides 1983 and 1987 speak to the post-Falklands momentum rolling into govt-encouraged 80s boom time for the economy.
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I like Jim. He was constrained by fate, a party full of big egos, criminally corrupt unions that had been infiltrated by Soviet fifth columnists. Given a few breaks he could have turned it all around. But I guess we’ll never know.
James Callaghan was doomed by fate he had a minority government with MPs with big egos and trade unions behaving appallingly the combination of those factors lead to 18 years of the Tories. For sometime people thought Callaghan would be the last labour prime minister
Tax cuts have never been shown to boost productivity.
You are a communist and a fool
@@tyqwdybijo Okay show me the peer review ed study that backs you up.
83% high tax rate caused so many high earners to leave the country. Labour forced many celebrities, businessmen and women to leave, taking with them their fortunes which could have been taxed at a fairer rate of 50 to 60%.
@@johnking5174 Have another go John.
@@glennmiddleton3324 Another go? I am not wasting my Saturday night arguing with a troll
i REMEMBEER BACK IN THE DAY INFLACTION WAS AS IGH AS A BACKWARD COUNTRY
BUT UNEMPLOYMENT AND WAGES WERE NOT BAD AS COMPARED TO usa & cANADA,ONLY IF INDUSTRIAL STRENGHT WOULD HAVE STAYED STEAD FAST WHAT A PITY
Ok sister. Come back to us when you've settled down.
Come back when you've learned how to write.
James Callahan was a scandal-free honorable character. Sadly he had no clue how to solve economic problems in a "post coal high tech" world. Some impressions from the Callahan years: Power stations often burned coal without procucing electricity only to keep the heavily subsidized coal mines busy. British Rail operated every locomotive with two drivers instead of one only to keep the transport unions happy with their seven hour work day.
@inspector morse Okay. Change my mind with facts.
@inspector morse This BBC documentary explicitly states that the trade unions successfully pressured management and isdustry that the HST power cars's design was (unnecessarily) changed to accomodate two drivers. The section where this is precisely said starts at 45 minutes and about 40 seconds. WATCH!!
th-cam.com/video/4I_d2PwUD-s/w-d-xo.html
@inspector morse No! They really don't!!! Here is a picture of a German high speed train cockpit! There isn't even a second seat!!! Watch!
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Ice4_f%C3%BChrerstand_beleuchtet.jpg
@inspector morse No! They NEVER did!! Really NEVER!! Not even in the 1970s. NEVER!! This was only done in Britain. Nowhere else.
@inspector morse The 7-hour-workday (with a few exceptions for 8 hours in some rare cases) was abolished in 1982 and the system of fexible rostering was introduced. You can find it in thousands of articles. Perhaps you worked there after 1982. That would explain why you remember it differently.
No disrespect to the man, but think about all that wasted labour, no pun intended, on incomes policy. Powell was mocked endlessly but how right was he that ultimately why is it that Wilson or Heath or anyone should be allowed to decide what "maximizes" my standard of living? What the hell do they know about what I want and how much of it I want.
Because it was an attempt to tackle two problems. Firstly, it was an attempt keep unemployment down. They knew that the alternative to an incomes policy was high unemployment. All of them, coming from the era of the depression, thought that every possible measure should be taken to keep the evils of unemployment at bay. Secondly, it was an attempt to keep inflation down. So much of the rampant inflation in the 60s and 70s was called by the excessive pay settlements of that era. It destabilised the economy, destroyed the savings and standards of living of those on fixed incomes like pensioners, and led to higher rates of unemployment.
@@th8257 Powell's point is that an incomes policy is entirely a distortion because it intends to solve a problem that it has created. If you let the market clear, you won't have excess inflation to control anymore. All of that extra employment was eating through Britain's ability to sustain the whole circus. The high-employment approach is too cause-effect. Higher unemployment doesn't guarantee a Hitler and many people understood that at the time. Meanwhile, incomes policy prevents healthy business from ever gaining a foothold because the state effectively props up unhealthy business. Meanwhile, entry into the single market did the exact opposite if controlling prices were the goal.
Great leader - but the worst of times 🙁
Even being right wing, you can't help but like jc
I would have called a snap general election for late September 1978, it would have been a perfect time, weather wise for voters it would have been the last time before winter. Shame Callaghan did not have the balls to call it then.
Sonny Jim
Best PM we ever had
Certainly my last recollection of a good PM, politician and man who genuinely tried.
the days of wilson callaghan, macmillan and attlee hell even heath have gone. decent men who tried their best not nutcases like maggie and blair
Agreed. To many people are to quick to slate off that Labour Government.
What did he achieve to be the best Prime Minister we ever had?
harmlessdrudge He bought down inflation to under 10 % Dealt with an issue in the Falklands in I think 1977. He was genuine and loved his country. His biggest flaw was his trust with the unions that turned and bit him hard
He looks like he was the child of LBJ and Mr. Bean
Lbj?
@@andybray9791 yes
Lyndon Baines Johnson, USA President 1963-1968/9.....
Democrat,,,....died in 1973, aged 65.
I don't understand why Britain doesn't have a fixed election date.
It's so undemocratic to not have a fixed election date.
No they do by the Fixed Parliament Act
We do but the election date will be soon back to be decided by the PM . The Fixed terms parliament act is probably going to be removed.
@@briandelaney9710 Fixed Parliament Act is gone now unfortunately.
Hubris.
God almighty. 18%+ Inflation...and beer and sandwiches in Downing Street.
People who don't understand Thatcher have no idea what came before....
Crap
I never knew what a traitor this man was, as I was very young at the time. Thanks to Enoch Powell in his many speeches exposing him. My Dad always told/taught me to listen to the great man Mr Powell and we are both working class East End of London now Ex because he ( Enoch) was ignored
WTF? Mate, what are you talking about? Sounds like your dad was as nutty as you sound.
He's not traitor, he had more patriotism and love to this country then you had
Great man Enoch Powell? To a certain minority in society.
Enoch Powell was a bigot and a racist, so gives some insight into you and your old man.
Callaghan was not a nice man. Nasty to others and short tempered.
Thatcher was just as bad. All Prime Ministers have a temper.
@@johnking5174 I wasn’t comparing one with another. Just speaking of the subject in question.
You'd have to be to be PM.
Worst prime minister we ever had.
Callaghan was a failure. That's all I have to say about this Labour PM. No wonder the name is very seldom mentioned after he left politics. The nightmare caised by the extreme radical and socialist influenced unions is at least now the thing of the past.
I think he lost his way when he sung that church song!