@@dfadden62 Man o' War.... So many differences.... Steel shoes...raced sometimes twice a week......tracks were not like today..not the groomed carpets without a pebble... feed consisted of oats, hay and water...not all the vitamins and extras today that are given..... Say what you may but if Secretariat ran back when Man O' War did....there would be no comparison..... Secretariat would be chasing Man O'War's tail.
When I was a teenager I used to exercise the horses that a very wealthy society woman who lived near us owned. She had eight thoroughbreds that she used for hunting and showing. She also owned the last living son of Man O'War. He was a 27 year old gelding named Army Power and was a posthumous son (born after Man O'War died). I have a picture of me on Army. Amazing to be able sit on a link to history.
Jersey Girl Army Power was a 1941 foal (6years prior) IDed as a steeplechaser. Not shocking for MOW...most HOF chasers of the era had MOW directly as sire or grand sire. She must’ve gotten him post-career.
I owned an appaloosa stallion who was a great grandson of man o' war. He passed at 32 years old. I had 1 foal from him, he was a beast. An acquaintance owns him now and would never give him up.
30 years old. Hope folks can understand how old that is for a house.. Late 80s for sure. He's the reason the world got to see The Race of the Century between Seabiscuit and War Admiral!
Don't know if any of you know this but Secretariat, Man O'War , Seabiscuit, War Admiral are all related to one another. All these amazing great race horses are all descendants of Fair Play.
God knows. Ain't it great. And guess what,? Look at the time line between Man o war ,and Secretariot .Two great, big reds. God loves his big reds ,and their will be another .do the math of the two? IT is time for big red to return for our viewing pleasure from God.
Man O War was so beautiful and big and muscular. He is a legend as well. You're still loved in future generations. You've been gone 75 years but people still speak of you and love you.💛🖤 🐎
Actually it was one of the reasons he was retired: Riddle (owner) was worried about how high the weight imposts would be in his fourth year. Riddle had made a few major mistakes at his training. Including racing him twice on surfaces that were brutal on him (including the match race, which the track was horrendous and actually caused him to limp).
Never carried 140 pounds. Further, there is something to be learned about handicapping. Fast forward to Bold Ruler and you will see him at top weight with the other horses capable of winning. In MOW's day and relative to the 1917 crop, there was zero competition i.e. the other horse, usually a match race, was burdened with far less weight than in decades to come yet still had no chance of winning. For instance, John Grier was considered the 2nd best horse of the 1917 class. In the 1920 Dwyer, he carried 108 pounds to MOW's 126. John Grier could not run 1:50 over 9 furlongs carrying that weight. In measuring horses by poundage, it places MOW at over 18 pounds better than his nearest rival. That indicates the aforementioned lack of competition. The next thing to examine in handicapping is performance. MOW carried 135 pounds in a one mile race against, from memory, a horse named Yellow Hand. MOW ran a final time of around 1:41. That is a time of just under 25.5 seconds per quarter mile. Thus, that is not racing, it is galloping, it is running. The sole competitor could not keep pace under 103 pounds. MOW ran 11 times at 3YO. He was over 126 pounds 4 times...129, 131, 135 and 138. In summation, one has to look at multiple issues in horse racing. To focus solely on imposts means that distance run, final time, size of field and level of competition are overlooked or ignored. The only serious level imposts to MOW were 135 and 138 pounds. The distances were short...one mile and one and one sixteenth miles, the fileds were small, in one case a sole competitor, the weight carried by the competition was allowance level, the competition was allowance level and the final times were not impressive. Bold Ruler, as an example, raced 16 times at 3YO against top notch competition and carried over 126 pounds 5 times. At 4YO, he never carried less than 133 pounds again versus a much higher level of competition. Remember, the devil is always in the detail. Unfortunately, it is easy to be fooled by narrative and tunnel vision.
@@bbmtge All of your evidence only supports the argument that he carried more weight than pretty much all of the horses that are being compared to him for greatest horse of all time. just because the competition was sub-par, in your opinion, it doesn't change the fact that he carried far more weight than the others and he was setting records while doing it. Competition didn't affect his times.
@Dona The loving & dedicated care received probably gave him his desire to live. Even for a nonhuman, very difficult to live or perform well when resentment is the only driving emotion.
Amazing horse!!!!! Absolutely amazing!!!!! He was the king!!!! He began it all in my own opinion!!! Did my research on him. But what a beautiful horse!!!!!! Soul too!!!! Rest in peace!!!!
Some say Secretariat was best; but he didn’t have a jockey keeping a strangle hold on him nor wear heavy iron shoes. We’ll never know how fast Man o’War really was!
Secretariat lost 4 races, never carried weight and was raced on anabolic steroids, as was the norm from the sixties until 2008. MOW was chosen the Horse of the Century for good reason.
@@krism2649 Let's not downplay either one's achievements. They are both legends in their own right. They are both similar types of horses and their own individual icons. Man O' War is like that elder you respect who paved the way for the youngins to excel. And Secretariat was as the commenter said a 'Tremendous Machine'. Pretty much the pinnacle of horse performance. MoW had a nice sleek profile while Secretariat has a smooth and pleasing running form. Both fantastic horse types.
Man O'War ran on sand tracks and behind a starting tape (starting gates didn't happen until much later). As Will Harbut, his longtime groom and beloved friend, said, "He's the mostest hoss!"
Man O'War was a great horse and you can't compare him to Secretariat. Each magnificent in their own way. Both beautiful and full of spirit with the athletic ability to match.
Of course it's great entertainment to many to argue the superiority of either, both superb in their regal sport of conquest over time & distance. Yet, to even begin to compare them competitively, they would of had to be raced at the exact same age & all prior & existing conditions exactly the same. So, an impossibility arises & both tremendous Legends are left with mostly our preferences concerning each, combined some racing facts in accordance with our own personal opinions. I myself believe justly they are both Legacy Leaders in their own individual right(s) of lineage, both exemplary & glorious racing performers & loved by the generations of racing-fans in their own era & beyond. We forever give tribute to the far & beyond exceptional feats of performance we, as ardent admirers, both then & now were extraordinarily blessed to witness & share in their Glory overall.
Beautiful, so beautiful ❤️😍❤️, you can tell he Carries big heart and big lungs like his Fellow champion Big Red - All my admiration to both Legends, may they run in peace🙏🙏🙏
Yes, & recognizably had Man O'War been facing, instead of turned around & consequently lost four lengths at the get, that race would of ended quite differently.
Why compare greatness with greatness. All superior athletes, in this case horses, run on different tracks, different time lines and conditions. All WERE GREAT and still are.
You did an amazing job with this video. Man O' War was never fully let out, he was always under a hold. Who knows what records he could have set if they let him go completely? And nowadays on a faster track he would beat all the horses!
Penny Cheney was asked if she thought Secretariat could have beat Man-O-War. She replied “ he would have had a hard time catching him.” Both great athletes!
Secretariat wouldn't beat Man O War. He just liked to run and was inconsistant about gaining the lead. On the other hand, Man O War had the determination by which he refused to be outrun.
@@susansteelmon5675 Both wonderful horses! But I believe Secretariat was discovered to have an extra-large heart size, so who knows how that particular race would've turned out!
@@aileen694 I think it would depend on Secretariat, if he wants to run, he would probably win. But if Sec decided he didn't really care, MOW would definitely win easily.
Secretariat would've beaten Man o' War for fun. That doesn't take away from MOW's greatness; he was certainly the best of his time, and was probably the most important sire of the 20th century. Without him, there's no Secretariat.
Racing clean, MOW would have won, as well if they were both on steroids. If just Secretariat was on steroids, he might have beat MoW. Secretariat lost 4 races, and he was not carrying weight.
Being such an avid fan of Secretariat's accomplishments it's hard for me to say that Mn O War was the greatest race horse of all time, bar none. 100 lengths!!! That's incredible!!! Plus to sire 2 Triple Crown winners, hands down and all hail the king. But, Secretariat is still my favorite of all time. Big Red was one of a kind. :)
Joseph Simkus -- FYI: Man O' War came to be known as "Big Red" before Secretariat. He was the first Big Red. That was his barn name. I love Secretariat, too. He was a very good boy. But Man O'War was magnificent.
Truly, as if sketched from the gods themselves ( in a very good mood). The Bedouins, founders of the Arabian horse from which the Thoroughbred breed are descendants of three stallions Darley, Byerley Turk & Godolphin Arabian named after their owners. Excellent reading in & of themselves own unique stories. These age-old, fervent admirers of all things equine exclaiming how noble & majestic the horse, wrote poems of the horse, highly esteeming the animals, as glorious embodiments of the wind itself let among mortals.
Man 'O War was built like a tank!! I am in love with Secretariat, but I do respect Man 'O War, and I think he would be more memorable if his photos were in colour.
Just supposing: If they had produced a film of his life, during the 70s, Secretariat could have played him in the role! They were the same height, color and both had a white star and stripe! And both had very large hearts upon examinations.The best of racers that ever lived! ❤
Man O War was a magnificent horse. He is also the Stallone that has sired through the decades some of the greatest races horses. Without Man O War there would be no Secretariat. Its in poor taste to compare these horses as so many of the comments below have done. YOU CANT COMPARE ONE TIME PERIOD TO ANOTHER TIME. Circumstances change everything. Technology along with knowledge changes feeding, training and equipment. Liked the video and love all Big Red horses.
Incredible that this beast won all but one race in his career given the how much more weight that Man O'War was forced to carry against the other horses in the field in most of his races is incredible. Whether Secretariat was as talented is difficult to say because of the decades of difference in their age. But I know he carried far more weight in his races than horses like Secretariat or Citation were forced to carry against their opposition.
I'm his biggest fan no one knows him more than me I love him so much r.i.p rest in peace boy who was a great racehorse I miss him but it is time to say good bye😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔💔💖💖💖💖hope u are running free in heavan legand.💖💖💖💖🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏90000000000000000000000000000 prays for him
Beautiful vid of the greatest racehorse of all time! "The Mostest Hoss" couldn't have described him any better, especially coming from his long time groom/best friend/soul mate Will Harbut 💖 Man O War was nothing short of amazing in all areas & will forever be my favorite racehorse 💜😃💞😍🏇
I'm the owner of man o war and I love and miss him soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much!
Sea biscuit beat war admiral. Sea biscuit was a decedent of man o war. Man o war ,won a race by 100 lengths, War Admiral won the triple crown, Secretariot ,won the triple crown. There is no greatest The show is awesome, dont you think?
I’m still raw to this sport.. maybe if the television was out then(maybe it was) maybe man o war would have lifted the nation like secretariat did.. I’m sure if we get all three in their primes and they raced it’ll be one hell of a race it’ll be the race of a life time.. but as we kno it ea horse was in separate Eras so we will never kno who was the true king of race horsing!
Man O War and War Admiral would have been eating Big Reds dust and joined Sham an even faster Horse as an after thought when Big Red kicked in them after burners.
@@thrill_lords8409 The record time showed Big Red is the king followed by Sham the after thought. With Big Red on the track the rest would be racing for second place.
I have a race bred Quarterhorse, that goes back to Man'O War on top...Chance was very hard to break....my Chance looks more like a thoroighbred with a lot of substance....he really compliments Man'OWar!
@ cathy bauer!! I also had the GREAT BLESSING to have ‘owned’ a Racing Quarter horse mare line bred MAN O WAR!!:)) SHE WAS THE MOST WONDERFUL HORSE that I ever had the pleasure of riding!! If she ‘trusted you’, she would DO ANYTHING for you♥️ She joined the ancestors @ 34yrs old. PLEASE ENJOY your Chance⭐️⭐️✌️
I read his biography when I was a teenager. I was following the races at Santa Anita and Hollywood Park because I was reading the racing page in the newspapers. I had some favorites back then: Buckpasser, Affectionately, and a good local allowance horse named Real Good Deal. Man o War is the greatest of all time to me, Man o War winning by 100 lengths is incredible. My favorite of all time is Affirmed because he refused to give up when a horse got near to him in the stretch.
...rare to hear it mentioned let alone build a whole song around this powerful theme. The early Church grew in the fear of the Lord & the comfort of the Holy Spirit. Much sung about the latter, few the first. Thanks for giving the fear of the Lord its rightful place in your song.
My God WHAT A BEAUTIGUL ANIMAL WITH THE HEART OF A TRUE CHAMPION! HUGE AND POWRRFUL AND LOVING! THE HORSE IS GODS ANGEL WITH FOUR LEGS! THEYVE BRED HORSES DOWN TO A CERTSIN " SIZE' . VERY FEW ARE NATURAL BORN CHAPIONS RHESE DAYS. SECRETARIAT AMERICAN PHAROH CALIFORNIA CHROME, MY FAVORITES OF LATE. THANKS FOR SHARING THESE WONDERFUL MEMORIES.
Wow,...what a beautiful horse! As well as a beautiful story ,(and also very well told, produced, and cited),...and you support a wonderful non profit as well!!!! (God bless you, and thank you.!) Awesome video! Just subbed and liked you! Thank you for putting this together! I love that you found that much footage and still pics of him! It was so cool to get to see him run! He was such a gorgeous horse, and his story is so unique and inspiring! (Man O'War was a "one of a kind" horse! There will NEVER be another horse like him!) 💕🐎💕Lots of love to you from Phoenix AZ!
Great horse, everyone list as a true champion, like NORTHERN DANCER, SECRETARIAT, SEA BIRD, SCEPTRE, ST. SIMON, PHARLAP, SEABISCUIT, NATIVE DANCER, DR. FAGER.
Man O War was named horse of the century and was called ' Big Red ' . Experts figured that Man O War would have beaten Secretariat cause ' Big Red ' was always heavily handicapped and never pushed to potential cause of winning so decisively, Riddle retired him because of constantly getting heavier handicaps. Secretariat was great, but no Man O War. The one loss to Upset was definitely decided as being due to jockey errors
Your comment about MOW being "heavily handicapped" is false. MOW carried over 126 pounds at 3YO on but 4 occasions. The imposts were 129, 131, 135 and 138. The only serious level imposts were 135 and 138 pounds. In each of those races, the final time was not fast. Further, those imposts. and higher, were common among champion horses in that era and later due to a much lower level of competition. For example, MOW carried 135 pounds against a single competitor in the Stuyvesant. Yellow Hand carried a paltry 103 pounds. The final time was 1:41 and 3/5ths. That is not racing, it is running. The other horse had no chance of winning so victory required no more than galloping. Facts beat narratives every time. Secretariat was much faster than MOW and ran against a much higher level of competition. Often, the runner-up to Secretariat also beat the existing record. Secretariat trained fast; he once broke 3 records on as training run over 9 furlongs in the mud while carrying 135 pounds. The notion that Riddle retired MOW based on imposts is absurd. Here is an example of true weight carrying...Roseben. Roseben carried up to 130 pounds in 59 of his races, up to 140 pounds in 29 races. He won under 144, 146 and 147 pounds. He once placed second while carrying 150 pounds. THAT is a demonstration of weight carrying unlike the 2 races of MOW as mentioned. The real problem with the MOW fan is that they lack analysis and simply repeat things that they read. A little study of the history of raciung and a little less emotion adds clarity.
If a race could have been done between Big Red and Man O War both in their prime I would put my money on Big Red and take the experts money. The funny thing is those same experts when talking of the greatest Racehorse ever will bring up Big Reds name first and last. Sham would have beat Man O War if they was both in their prime but Big Red made Sham an after thought.
@@vickijohnson3664 Secretariat holds the record and was named greatest Racehorse that ever lived whether you like it or not. If Man O War raced in the same time as Secretariat he would have been remembered as that other Horse like Sham is.
I wonder what might have happened if instead of ‘breaking’ Man O’ War, they had used natural horsemanship techniques on him. My little quarter horse is a far thing from Man O’ War and she is the first horse I ever owned but I used natural horsemanship techniques on her....lots of time spent on ground work...and when I finally sat her....after 6 weeks...she did...nothing! She is a very gentle girl but I know she can kick and kick high...but she never shows temper around me. Man O’ War was a legend in my house. My dad used to tell me about him when I was just a little girl.
They used top notch training that they had at the time. You have to realize that Man O’War’s family came from a long line of aggressive stallion’s. His full sister (a year older than him and racing when he was sold), had developed enough of a reputation at that point of being badly tempered that people were turned off. Even Riddle was but his wife and trainer convinced him that he was worth it at $5k. His father Fair Play was moody and ram when he felt like it. He was retired when he entered a race and slammed on the brakes at the start and refused to run. Great horse and had a lot of wins himself, but he didn’t run if he didn’t want to. And Hastings, his grand sire was ugly and mean. People called him a gargoyle with a personality of a scorpion. He left a mark literally and figuratively on everyone he met. And grooms carried sticks around him when he went to stud for defense. And yeah, the genes were passed on. One of Man O’ War’s sons as a foal stomped a groom to death.
I still believe that Man O' War could out run Secretariat, though it would be an awesome race! Man O' War's stride was measured at 28 feet to Secretariat's 25 foot stride. Man O' War's furthest win length was 100' to Secretariat's 31'. Man O' War was given unbelievable weights to carry. Not sure about Secretariat. Secretariat is a great great great(?) grandson of Man O' War, they both inherited the same nick name of Big Red. To me, he will always be the bestest horse ever!
Quel magnifique cheval ❤️ Man O War tu est maintenant dans les vastes prairies du royaume des cieux que tu a gagné par ton intelligence ta grâce et ta sagesse et ton immense beauté .
I had a great grandson of Man of War--out Mr Busher, by War Admiral, by Man of War. His name was Recoledger. He had a great track record from Turf and Sport. Sadly before he could reach his potential he was in a track accident. When I bought him he was 11 yrs old and only been taken off the track for six months. The woman we bought him from didn't know what she had. My wife asked if she had his papers and the woman gave them to us. My wife confirmed his number tattoo on his upper lip. The woman had his five cross and my wife took one look and said, "sold." We stood him at stud and found that his off spring loved to jump. We only bred him to one thoroughbred mare and the foal won his first race. I don't know what happen to that horse. We were forced to sell Rex, as we called him, and they didn't take care of him. They had to put him down.
Back in Man O' War's day they would race both directions, more races, & no starting gates. I talked to someone at Chimneys Farm ( went to see Smarty Jones) they said Secretariat wasn't very good as a Stud Horse (didn't produce many winners).
Dear God, how did they 'break' horses back in those days..please don't answer I don't want to know...I hope we have learned that training horses need to be traumatic. Wow, even thru this old footage he sure does have presence!
The most incredible racehorse to ever exist, bar none. I don't give a shit what anybody says - I wish they'd exhume him, take samples, and clone him. Given that he was buried in a casket (and the body has been therefore protected), I'll bet they could retrieve intact DNA from a molar or a long bone. To see this majesty again would be incredible.
@@virginialawler7725 Horses can hit the gate, misstep, and have a bad accident. Look what happened to Ruffian in the match race against Foolish Pleasure in 1975. The gate caused her breakdown.
@@douglasgriffiths3534 I much appreciate your reply. I'd never heard of the gate issue before re the great Ruffian. I was 37 then, mourned her deeply--for her beauty, speed and her great competitive spirt that perhaps caused her not to be saved. Still do. My Dad was a minor, but 100% committed, breeders /racer (only of our homebreds) for several decades way back, at Cahokia, Fairmount, the Chicago tracks and FL in the winter. Am 83 now, never had a gate mishap ourselves and can no longer remember them for others. Somehow to me, the gate just seemed like an all-round fairer start. It will be hard to relive still, but I know I want to read more about Ruffian now.
@@virginialawler7725 Get the book, "Ruffian-Burning form the Start" by Jane Schwartz. I have it, and it's an excellent account of the great filly's life. (Jan Griffiths).
I wasn't born yet, but I picked Irish Lace a looser philly to win a $2 bet at now defunct Sportsmen's Park in Cicero or Chicago and She won. Tail up in the air the boys couldn't win! All it took was kindness and a talking to based on what you did. Thanks. Wisdom
My Man o War grand son, by way of Hoist the Flag, was EXTRAORDINARILY girth-y and ticklish, too. True to his bloodline a lightning fast man eater with Lamborghini acceleration and turned on a dime. My once in a lifetime horse.
I don’t think it’s right or necessary to compare Man O’ War and Secretariat. They are the 2 greatest race horses of all time. They raced in very different eras with different challenges. There is a wilder look in Man O’War’s eye than Secretariat’s. They do have similar builds. I absolutely adore Secretariat, but Man O’War is always first in my heart.
When people try to say another horse was greater I tell them one thing. Man O’War was never given his head in any race.
@@dfadden62
Man o' War.... So many differences.... Steel shoes...raced sometimes twice a week......tracks were not like today..not the groomed carpets without a pebble... feed consisted of oats, hay and water...not all the vitamins and extras today that are given.....
Say what you may but if Secretariat ran back when Man O' War did....there would be no comparison..... Secretariat would be chasing Man O'War's tail.
That positively beautiful music was fit for a king and Man O war was just that. He will never be duplicated. Perfection stands alone.
When I was a teenager I used to exercise the horses that a very wealthy society woman who lived near us owned. She had eight thoroughbreds that she used for hunting and showing. She also owned the last living son of Man O'War. He was a 27 year old gelding named Army Power and was a posthumous son (born after Man O'War died). I have a picture of me on Army. Amazing to be able sit on a link to history.
Jersey Girl Army Power was a 1941 foal (6years prior) IDed as a steeplechaser. Not shocking for MOW...most HOF chasers of the era had MOW directly as sire or grand sire. She must’ve gotten him post-career.
I owned an appaloosa stallion who was a great grandson of man o' war. He passed at 32 years old. I had 1 foal from him, he was a beast. An acquaintance owns him now and would never give him up.
@@utoobgavemecancer8635 Well, that great bloodline can't be beat!
That’s a great story. Thank you so much for sharing it with us.
Absolutely wonderful! Why’d they geld him, too hard to handle?
He lived during two world wars. Wonderful, heartfelt tribute to the greatest horse ever!!
30 years old. Hope folks can understand how old that is for a house.. Late 80s for sure. He's the reason the world got to see The Race of the Century between Seabiscuit and War Admiral!
Don't know if any of you know this but Secretariat, Man O'War , Seabiscuit, War Admiral are all related to one another. All these amazing great race horses are all descendants of Fair Play.
God knows. Ain't it great. And guess what,? Look at the time line between Man o war ,and Secretariot .Two great, big reds. God loves his big reds ,and their will be another .do the math of the two? IT is time for big red to return for our viewing pleasure from God.
@@single55 I absolutely agree! Hope God loves a triple horse play. I respectfully disagree with Ms. Turner. We need another hero in Thunderdome.
Count Fleet was also a good horse
And American Pharoah is a descendant of Secretariat, so can we add him to the list too? Incredible horses all.
2026!!!
Man O War was so beautiful and big and muscular. He is a legend as well. You're still loved in future generations. You've been gone 75 years but people still speak of you and love you.💛🖤 🐎
MAN O WAR ...
The absolute greatest of all time. There will NEVER be ANY horse able to improve on the perfection of this GORGEOUS BEAST.
NEVER…..except for Secretariat…
And seabiscuit who beat man o war by 4 lengths
@RGGail I know all about Phar Lap. I guess ignorant people don’t know a lot about Americans
@@debbylou5729 seabiscuit beat war admiral not Man O War
@@debbylou5729 please be mindful that Man o War wore steel shoes not aluminum and carried more weight than Secretariat ever did.
The tears are streaming down my face. Such a beautiful story.
He blew past them handicapped with far more weight than any other horse on the track. 130-140lbs ... and he still beat them. What a heart.
Finally, someone that acknowledges how severely he was handicapped.
Actually it was one of the reasons he was retired:
Riddle (owner) was worried about how high the weight imposts would be in his fourth year. Riddle had made a few major mistakes at his training. Including racing him twice on surfaces that were brutal on him (including the match race, which the track was horrendous and actually caused him to limp).
Never carried 140 pounds. Further, there is something to be learned about handicapping. Fast forward to Bold Ruler and you will see him at top weight with the other horses capable of winning.
In MOW's day and relative to the 1917 crop, there was zero competition i.e. the other horse, usually a match race, was burdened with far less weight than in decades to come yet still had no chance of winning.
For instance, John Grier was considered the 2nd best horse of the 1917 class. In the 1920 Dwyer, he carried 108 pounds to MOW's 126. John Grier could not run 1:50 over 9 furlongs carrying that weight. In measuring horses by poundage, it places MOW at over 18 pounds better than his nearest rival. That indicates the aforementioned lack of competition.
The next thing to examine in handicapping is performance. MOW carried 135 pounds in a one mile race against, from memory, a horse named Yellow Hand. MOW ran a final time of around 1:41. That is a time of just under 25.5 seconds per quarter mile. Thus, that is not racing, it is galloping, it is running. The sole competitor could not keep pace under 103 pounds.
MOW ran 11 times at 3YO. He was over 126 pounds 4 times...129, 131, 135 and 138.
In summation, one has to look at multiple issues in horse racing. To focus solely on imposts means that distance run, final time, size of field and level of competition are overlooked or ignored. The only serious level imposts to MOW were 135 and 138 pounds. The distances were short...one mile and one and one sixteenth miles, the fileds were small, in one case a sole competitor, the weight carried by the competition was allowance level, the competition was allowance level and the final times were not impressive.
Bold Ruler, as an example, raced 16 times at 3YO against top notch competition and carried over 126 pounds 5 times. At 4YO, he never carried less than 133 pounds again versus a much higher level of competition.
Remember, the devil is always in the detail. Unfortunately, it is easy to be fooled by narrative and tunnel vision.
@@buckeyechuck8280 He actually wasn't.
@@bbmtge All of your evidence only supports the argument that he carried more weight than pretty much all of the horses that are being compared to him for greatest horse of all time. just because the competition was sub-par, in your opinion, it doesn't change the fact that he carried far more weight than the others and he was setting records while doing it. Competition didn't affect his times.
There was a strong bond between his groom and this champion.
@Dona
The loving & dedicated care received probably gave him his desire to live.
Even for a nonhuman, very difficult to live or perform well when resentment is the only driving emotion.
Wonderful tribute to one of the greatest legends in history......Man O'War...thank you
There are moments in this video when he looks just like Secretariat. Two magnificent creatures that will never be forgotten.
Absolutely.
This horse was wild. He didn’t want to be tamed but he was damn sure that he never wanted to be forgotten!
What greater proof of a champion than his progeny.
Man O War : The stuff of legends.
Sea Biscuit his grandson was pretty cool ,too, winning his last race at 7 years old.
But Man O' War remains my favorite.
@@Ivory3100They are all glorious.
my father saw him in person the thought of it has stayed with me all my life
The greatest horse EVER lived.He was born same year as my father; 1917 🇺🇸👍
Amazing horse!!!!! Absolutely amazing!!!!! He was the king!!!! He began it all in my own opinion!!! Did my research on him. But what a beautiful horse!!!!!! Soul too!!!! Rest in peace!!!!
I can't imagine the rush from riding such a world champion.
Some say Secretariat was best; but he didn’t have a jockey keeping a strangle hold on him nor wear heavy iron shoes. We’ll never know how fast Man o’War really was!
Secretariat lost 4 races, never carried weight and was raced on anabolic steroids, as was the norm from the sixties until 2008.
MOW was chosen the Horse of the Century for good reason.
@@krism2649 Let's not downplay either one's achievements. They are both legends in their own right. They are both similar types of horses and their own individual icons. Man O' War is like that elder you respect who paved the way for the youngins to excel. And Secretariat was as the commenter said a 'Tremendous Machine'. Pretty much the pinnacle of horse performance. MoW had a nice sleek profile while Secretariat has a smooth and pleasing running form. Both fantastic horse types.
Man O'War ran on sand tracks and behind a starting tape (starting gates didn't happen until much later). As Will Harbut, his longtime groom and beloved friend, said, "He's the mostest hoss!"
Man O’ War a true American thoroughbred racing icon...a true legend.
When the one race you lose creates a definition for a word you're the best horse ever in my opinion.
Great Comment!
Likewise, every time I cut and peel an Onion, I wonder if it's the onion that's making me cry, or my memory of Secretariat!
You just couldn't help yourself, could you!!! Oh that's right,a Secretariat fan.
Man'O War the original "Big red." The greatest foundation Sire of All Time!!!!!!!!
“Upset” was already a term in use in sports when Upset upset Man o’ War. 😊
Man O'War was a great horse and you can't compare him to Secretariat. Each magnificent in their own way. Both beautiful and full of spirit with the athletic ability to match.
You could not have put it ever , Secretariat was just a beast
AGREED! but the WAR is still the Greatest of all time
@@mslascorpiaKelso
Of course it's great entertainment to many to argue the superiority of either, both superb in their regal sport of conquest over time & distance. Yet, to even begin to compare them competitively, they would of had to be raced at the exact same age & all prior & existing conditions exactly the same. So, an impossibility arises & both tremendous Legends are left with mostly our preferences concerning each, combined some racing facts in accordance with our own personal opinions. I myself believe justly they are both Legacy Leaders in their own individual right(s) of lineage, both exemplary & glorious racing performers & loved by the generations of racing-fans in their own era & beyond.
We forever give tribute to the far & beyond exceptional feats of performance we, as ardent admirers, both then & now were extraordinarily blessed to witness & share in their Glory overall.
The similarities of Man o War ,and Secretariat is striking. Not exactly but very close. Both were great.
I could of done without seeing him in his casket. That was cruel and unnecessary it made me 😭
Beautiful, so beautiful ❤️😍❤️, you can tell he Carries big heart and big lungs like his Fellow champion Big Red - All my admiration to both Legends, may they run in peace🙏🙏🙏
Incredible baby! Only lost one race by a nose to "Upset!"
Simply a gorgeous racehorse! Won eight races by 20+ lengths!!
Yes, & recognizably had Man O'War been facing, instead of turned around & consequently lost four lengths at the get, that race would of ended quite differently.
And YOU are correct! The man who usually started those races was sick that day and his replacement was a guy who had never set off a race back then!
Oh my God, what a horse! He truly got the funeral he deserved. One of the greats!
Why compare greatness with greatness. All superior athletes, in this case horses, run on different tracks, different time lines and conditions. All WERE GREAT and still are.
He was the best of his time and his excellence showed in his descendants....... Secritariat and many many others.
You did an amazing job with this video. Man O' War was never fully let out, he was always under a hold. Who knows what records he could have set if they let him go completely? And nowadays on a faster track he would beat all the horses!
He ran Belmont in 2:28.
@@mikewarren1401 on the footing of 100 years ago.
@@stephanienewhouse2056 Also, the shoes.
@@virginialawler7725 Indeed. Aluminum and titanium are much lighter than the steel shoes used on racehorses then.
Mike Warren No, his was actually slower and it was the Jockey Club Stk, not The Belmont (Stk).
I say he's the best race horse ever!
Penny Cheney was asked if she thought Secretariat could have beat Man-O-War. She replied “ he would have had a hard time catching him.” Both great athletes!
Secretariat wouldn't beat Man O War. He just liked to run and was inconsistant about gaining the lead. On the other hand, Man O War had the determination by which he refused to be outrun.
@@susansteelmon5675 Both wonderful horses! But I believe Secretariat was discovered to have an extra-large heart size, so who knows how that particular race would've turned out!
@@aileen694 I think it would depend on Secretariat, if he wants to run, he would probably win. But if Sec decided he didn't really care, MOW would definitely win easily.
Secretariat would've beaten Man o' War for fun. That doesn't take away from MOW's greatness; he was certainly the best of his time, and was probably the most important sire of the 20th century. Without him, there's no Secretariat.
Racing clean, MOW would have won, as well if they were both on steroids. If just Secretariat was on steroids, he might have beat MoW.
Secretariat lost 4 races, and he was not carrying weight.
Being such an avid fan of Secretariat's accomplishments it's hard for me to say that Mn O War was the greatest race horse of all time, bar none. 100 lengths!!! That's incredible!!! Plus to sire 2 Triple Crown winners, hands down and all hail the king. But, Secretariat is still my favorite of all time. Big Red was one of a kind. :)
your comment was respectful and nice. Once you have a favorite, it stays your favorite. It isn’t just about statistics .
Wish we could see Man O' War and Secretariat race on a modern turf. That would be an interesting race .
Joseph Simkus -- FYI: Man O' War came to be known as "Big Red" before Secretariat. He was the first Big Red. That was his barn name. I love Secretariat, too. He was a very good boy. But Man O'War was magnificent.
He only sired 1 TC winner.
Hey buddy the real big red was man o war secretariat was named after him as big red man o war was the greatest of all
Magnificent creature.Just so beautifully formed. Majestic.
Truly, as if sketched from the gods themselves ( in a very good mood).
The Bedouins, founders of the Arabian horse from which the Thoroughbred breed are descendants of three stallions Darley, Byerley Turk & Godolphin Arabian named after their owners. Excellent reading in & of themselves own unique stories. These age-old, fervent admirers of all things equine exclaiming how noble & majestic the horse, wrote poems of the horse, highly esteeming the animals, as glorious embodiments of the wind itself let among mortals.
Man O War is in many Quarter Horse lines. Go Man Go comes to mind.
A stunningly beautiful horse.
Beautiful animal. Intelligent and magnificent horse.
Man 'O War was built like a tank!! I am in love with Secretariat, but I do respect Man 'O War, and I think he would be more memorable if his photos were in colour.
There is some Technicolor footage of him from 1938 that was in a newsreel on Kentucky.
@@michaelclark1727 Isn't that fabulous footage? MOW looked amazing for 21 years old. Flaming red coat. Magnificent.
Just supposing: If they had produced a film of his life, during the 70s, Secretariat could have played him in the role! They were the same height, color and both had a white star and stripe! And both had very large hearts upon examinations.The best of racers that ever lived! ❤
What a horse. He ran before drugs distorted American racing.
Gone but should not be forgotten....magnificent animal!
Man O War was a magnificent horse. He is also the Stallone that has sired through the decades some of the greatest races horses. Without Man O War there would be no Secretariat. Its in poor taste to compare these horses as so many of the comments below have done. YOU CANT COMPARE ONE TIME PERIOD TO ANOTHER TIME. Circumstances change everything. Technology along with knowledge changes feeding, training and equipment. Liked the video and love all Big Red horses.
What a Noble Horse!!!
Incredible that this beast won all but one race in his career given the how much more weight that Man O'War was forced to carry against the other horses in the field in most of his races is incredible. Whether Secretariat was as talented is difficult to say because of the decades of difference in their age. But I know he carried far more weight in his races than horses like Secretariat or Citation were forced to carry against their opposition.
Excellent Presentation.
I'm his biggest fan no one knows him more than me I love him so much r.i.p rest in peace boy who was a great racehorse I miss him but it is time to say good bye😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔💔💖💖💖💖hope u are running free in heavan legand.💖💖💖💖🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏90000000000000000000000000000 prays for him
Beautiful vid of the greatest racehorse of all time! "The Mostest Hoss" couldn't have described him any better, especially coming from his long time groom/best friend/soul mate Will Harbut 💖 Man O War was nothing short of amazing in all areas & will forever be my favorite racehorse 💜😃💞😍🏇
Eh, that would be Secretariat.
Eh, it IS Man O'War
Secretariat or Man O War, they stand not as competitors, but pillars of a great sport.
@@HTHAMMACK1 Secretariat: 16/3/1/1 Man O War 20/1/0/0 case closed.
He had Man'O War's blood running through his veins, and heart!
Magnificent animal, great champion.
I'm the owner of man o war and I love and miss him soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much!
I WEPT AT THIS DOC.
THANK YOU
WHERE DO I FIND THE SONG PLEASE
IT IS AN ANTHEM FOR OUR TIMES ON EARTH
Man O War, Secretariat or War Admiral? How great would it be to have seen those 3 able to race each other..
Sea biscuit beat war admiral. Sea biscuit was a decedent of man o war. Man o war ,won a race by 100 lengths, War Admiral won the triple crown, Secretariot ,won the triple crown. There is no greatest The show is awesome, dont you think?
@@single55 Man O war was the best. The record speaks for itself. 20/21.
I’m still raw to this sport.. maybe if the television was out then(maybe it was) maybe man o war would have lifted the nation like secretariat did.. I’m sure if we get all three in their primes and they raced it’ll be one hell of a race it’ll be the race of a life time.. but as we kno it ea horse was in separate Eras so we will never kno who was the true king of race horsing!
Man O War and War Admiral would have been eating Big Reds dust and joined Sham an even faster Horse as an after thought when Big Red kicked in them after burners.
@@thrill_lords8409 The record time showed Big Red is the king followed by Sham the after thought. With Big Red on the track the rest would be racing for second place.
I have a race bred Quarterhorse, that goes back to Man'O War on top...Chance was very hard to break....my Chance looks more like a thoroighbred with a lot of substance....he really compliments Man'OWar!
@ cathy bauer!! I also had the GREAT BLESSING to have ‘owned’ a Racing Quarter horse mare line bred MAN O WAR!!:)) SHE WAS THE MOST WONDERFUL HORSE that I ever had the pleasure of riding!! If she ‘trusted you’, she would DO ANYTHING for you♥️ She joined the ancestors @ 34yrs old. PLEASE ENJOY your Chance⭐️⭐️✌️
Mines also from QH racing bloodlines. Goes back to American flag son of MOW. American flag died in WW2. my horse is a mutt:QH TB and Friesian.
Magnificent horse in all regards. 🐎
Thank you for posting. This was just great.
Wow this is a treasure! Thanks for sharing this video!
What a beautiful and noble horse 💛🌈
Beautiful horse !
I read his biography when I was a teenager. I was following the races at Santa Anita and Hollywood Park because I was reading the racing page in the newspapers. I had some favorites back then: Buckpasser, Affectionately, and a good local allowance horse named Real Good Deal. Man o War is the greatest of all time to me, Man o War winning by 100 lengths is incredible. My favorite of all time is Affirmed because he refused to give up when a horse got near to him in the stretch.
It is rare for a race horse to be buried whole. Most have their heart, hooves, and heart buried, the rest cremated.
Such a beautiful horse
If this doesn't touch your heart
...rare to hear it mentioned let alone build a whole song around this powerful theme. The early Church grew in the fear of the Lord & the comfort of the Holy Spirit. Much sung about the latter, few the first. Thanks for giving the fear of the Lord its rightful place in your song.
Man O War best horse ever lived
Wonderful video, he looked bigger than, Secretariat. I have to look up how many hands he was. Nice head too & RED!
Great horse
Man o war AND Secretariat are the GOAT.
My God WHAT A BEAUTIGUL ANIMAL WITH THE HEART OF A TRUE CHAMPION! HUGE AND POWRRFUL AND LOVING!
THE HORSE IS GODS ANGEL WITH FOUR LEGS!
THEYVE BRED HORSES DOWN TO A CERTSIN " SIZE' . VERY FEW ARE NATURAL BORN CHAPIONS RHESE DAYS. SECRETARIAT AMERICAN PHAROH CALIFORNIA CHROME, MY FAVORITES OF LATE. THANKS FOR SHARING THESE WONDERFUL MEMORIES.
I'm the owner of man o war and I miss him because he's dead and not coming back r.i.p and rest in peace boy who was a great racehorse and I miss him
What a Man O War!
LOOK OF ‘EAGLES’♥️♥️♥️
The Greatest of them all, the Original Big Red, what a legend he was.
The King to all racehorses ❤
Wow,...what a beautiful horse! As well as a beautiful story ,(and also very well told, produced, and cited),...and you support a wonderful non profit as well!!!! (God bless you, and thank you.!) Awesome video! Just subbed and liked you! Thank you for putting this together! I love that you found that much footage and still pics of him! It was so cool to get to see him run! He was such a gorgeous horse, and his story is so unique and inspiring! (Man O'War was a "one of a kind" horse! There will NEVER be another horse like him!) 💕🐎💕Lots of love to you from Phoenix AZ!
@@yuma9663 If you liked that story:
Dorothy Ours “A Legend Like Lighting” is a great read about Man O’War.
Great horse, everyone list as a true champion, like NORTHERN DANCER, SECRETARIAT, SEA BIRD, SCEPTRE, ST. SIMON, PHARLAP, SEABISCUIT, NATIVE DANCER, DR. FAGER.
Man O War was named horse of the century and was called ' Big Red ' . Experts figured that Man O War would have beaten Secretariat cause ' Big Red ' was always heavily handicapped and never pushed to potential cause of winning so decisively, Riddle retired him because of constantly getting heavier handicaps. Secretariat was great, but no Man O War. The one loss to Upset was definitely decided as being due to jockey errors
Your comment about MOW being "heavily handicapped" is false. MOW carried over 126 pounds at 3YO on but 4 occasions. The imposts were 129, 131, 135 and 138. The only serious level imposts were 135 and 138 pounds. In each of those races, the final time was not fast. Further, those imposts. and higher, were common among champion horses in that era and later due to a much lower level of competition. For example, MOW carried 135 pounds against a single competitor in the Stuyvesant. Yellow Hand carried a paltry 103 pounds. The final time was 1:41 and 3/5ths. That is not racing, it is running. The other horse had no chance of winning so victory required no more than galloping.
Facts beat narratives every time. Secretariat was much faster than MOW and ran against a much higher level of competition. Often, the runner-up to Secretariat also beat the existing record. Secretariat trained fast; he once broke 3 records on as training run over 9 furlongs in the mud while carrying 135 pounds.
The notion that Riddle retired MOW based on imposts is absurd. Here is an example of true weight carrying...Roseben. Roseben carried up to 130 pounds in 59 of his races, up to 140 pounds in 29 races. He won under 144, 146 and 147 pounds. He once placed second while carrying 150 pounds. THAT is a demonstration of weight carrying unlike the 2 races of MOW as mentioned.
The real problem with the MOW fan is that they lack analysis and simply repeat things that they read. A little study of the history of raciung and a little less emotion adds clarity.
@@bbmtge fact: Man of War was named Horse of the Century, not Secretariat, whether you like it or not.....
The history of horse races and great horses is fascinating.
If a race could have been done between Big Red and Man O War both in their prime I would put my money on Big Red and take the experts money. The funny thing is those same experts when talking of the greatest Racehorse ever will bring up Big Reds name first and last. Sham would have beat Man O War if they was both in their prime but Big Red made Sham an after thought.
@@vickijohnson3664 Secretariat holds the record and was named greatest Racehorse that ever lived whether you like it or not. If Man O War raced in the same time as Secretariat he would have been remembered as that other Horse like Sham is.
Secretariat was unique in that he's look up at airplanes in the sky flying nearby according to Bill Nack
I wonder what might have happened if instead of ‘breaking’ Man O’ War, they had used natural horsemanship techniques on him. My little quarter horse is a far thing from Man O’ War and she is the first horse I ever owned but I used natural horsemanship techniques on her....lots of time spent on ground work...and when I finally sat her....after 6 weeks...she did...nothing! She is a very gentle girl but I know she can kick and kick high...but she never shows temper around me. Man O’ War was a legend in my house. My dad used to tell me about him when I was just a little girl.
Hu?? Umm this wasn’t a story about YOU and your pony, this is a story about Man O’ War. Seriously
They used top notch training that they had at the time.
You have to realize that Man O’War’s family came from a long line of aggressive stallion’s. His full sister (a year older than him and racing when he was sold), had developed enough of a reputation at that point of being badly tempered that people were turned off. Even Riddle was but his wife and trainer convinced him that he was worth it at $5k.
His father Fair Play was moody and ram when he felt like it. He was retired when he entered a race and slammed on the brakes at the start and refused to run. Great horse and had a lot of wins himself, but he didn’t run if he didn’t want to.
And Hastings, his grand sire was ugly and mean. People called him a gargoyle with a personality of a scorpion. He left a mark literally and figuratively on everyone he met. And grooms carried sticks around him when he went to stud for defense.
And yeah, the genes were passed on. One of Man O’ War’s sons as a foal stomped a groom to death.
@@SaraNightfire1 I read that Hastings would actually bite other horses during races ... and then there was Kelso. :-)
God bless you always.
I still believe that Man O' War could out run Secretariat, though it would be an awesome race! Man O' War's stride was measured at 28 feet to Secretariat's 25 foot stride. Man O' War's furthest win length was 100' to Secretariat's 31'. Man O' War was given unbelievable weights to carry. Not sure about Secretariat. Secretariat is a great great great(?) grandson of Man O' War, they both inherited the same nick name of Big Red. To me, he will always be the bestest horse ever!
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME FOREVER MAN O WAR ''
Quel magnifique cheval ❤️ Man O War tu est maintenant dans les vastes prairies du royaume des cieux que tu a gagné par ton intelligence ta grâce et ta sagesse et ton immense beauté .
Well done guys
I had a great grandson of Man of War--out Mr Busher, by War Admiral, by Man of War. His name was Recoledger. He had a great track record from Turf and Sport. Sadly before he could reach his potential he was in a track accident. When I bought him he was 11 yrs old and only been taken off the track for six months. The woman we bought him from didn't know what she had. My wife asked if she had his papers and the woman gave them to us. My wife confirmed his number tattoo on his upper lip. The woman had his five cross and my wife took one look and said, "sold." We stood him at stud and found that his off spring loved to jump. We only bred him to one thoroughbred mare and the foal won his first race. I don't know what happen to that horse. We were forced to sell Rex, as we called him, and they didn't take care of him. They had to put him down.
BEST HORSE EVER!
Please! More stories?
Back in Man O' War's day they would race both directions, more races, & no starting gates. I talked to someone at Chimneys Farm ( went to see Smarty Jones) they said Secretariat wasn't very good as a Stud Horse (didn't produce many winners).
He was a mar lions brood mare sire
Dear God, how did they 'break' horses back in those days..please don't answer I don't want to know...I hope we have learned that training horses need to be traumatic.
Wow, even thru this old footage he sure does have presence!
No doubt this Horse was an absolute monster ✌ but the mighty Frankel is in my humble opinion the best off all time a total freak on nature !!
The most incredible racehorse to ever exist, bar none. I don't give a shit what anybody says - I wish they'd exhume him, take samples, and clone him. Given that he was buried in a casket (and the body has been therefore protected), I'll bet they could retrieve intact DNA from a molar or a long bone. To see this majesty again would be incredible.
Totally agree. The greatest race horse of all time. His record speaks for itself.
Wow! What a great idea!
Secretariat was also called big red.
Greatest horse. Great tribute to him. I think they should have stayed with walk-up starts and the barrier instead of the starting gate.
Douglas Griffiths Why?
@@virginialawler7725 Horses can hit the gate, misstep, and have a bad accident. Look what happened to Ruffian in the match race against Foolish Pleasure in 1975. The gate caused her breakdown.
@@douglasgriffiths3534 I much appreciate your reply. I'd never heard of the gate issue before re the great Ruffian. I was 37 then, mourned her deeply--for her beauty, speed and her great competitive spirt that perhaps caused her not to be saved. Still do. My Dad was a minor, but 100% committed, breeders /racer (only of our homebreds) for several decades way back, at Cahokia, Fairmount, the Chicago tracks and FL in the winter. Am 83 now, never had a gate mishap ourselves and can no longer remember them for others. Somehow to me, the gate just seemed like an all-round fairer start. It will be hard to relive still, but I know I want to read more about Ruffian now.
@@virginialawler7725 Get the book, "Ruffian-Burning form the Start" by Jane Schwartz. I have it, and it's an excellent account of the great filly's life. (Jan Griffiths).
@@virginialawler7725 Oops--I meant from, not form. Long day @ work. (Jan Griffiths).
I wasn't born yet, but I picked Irish Lace a looser philly to win a $2 bet at now defunct Sportsmen's Park in Cicero or Chicago and She won. Tail up in the air the boys couldn't win! All it took was kindness and a talking to based on what you did. Thanks. Wisdom
My Man o War grand son, by way of Hoist the Flag, was EXTRAORDINARILY girth-y and ticklish, too. True to his bloodline a lightning fast man eater with Lamborghini acceleration and turned on a dime. My once in a lifetime horse.
Horses are Gods Greatest Gift to Mankind… Michelangelo
awesome short but to the point story of a Leyend
I don’t think it’s right or necessary to compare Man O’ War and Secretariat. They are the 2 greatest race horses of all time. They raced in very different eras with different challenges. There is a wilder look in Man O’War’s eye than Secretariat’s. They do have similar builds. I absolutely adore Secretariat, but Man O’War is always first in my heart.
THE GOAT
He died of heartbroken
All great Horses loose Darby, once in a lifetime, by nose...☺️
100 links. WHAT? Damn he felt good that day.
Lengths not links.
Looks like the woman at 7.28 got a souvenir from Man O' War himself.
Yup road apples LOL 🤣