Op. 364, Op. 348, the Sonata No. 10, Op. 692, Op. 754, and Op. 756 are Czerny studies which are almost never played yet considerably more musical than Op. 299, Op. 740, Op. 636, etc.
You have put Czerny in perspective. This has been invaluable to me as you explained how Czernys books progress. It has given me an understanding how Czerny has designed his books so l have an understanding of Czernys method so l can work at my level and at my own pace. Thank you for your invaluable help explaining the order of these books. Very much appreciated.
Love this video! I really like op 777 for early intermediate level, and it only has 24 exercises so it's not overwhelming. Because you didn't already have enough Czerny opus numbers. :)
Cool you mention 777. I also have the 777book and can play all 24. It was my introduction to Czerny. I continued now with the Germer book. You can play 777? And if so with which other opus you continued? PS: Opus777 is not well known I think. greets :-)
Really a great video, i'm a motivated 31yo adult beginner since 1 year, so around grade 3 , starting my way to grade 4, and i was frustrated to always being 10-15 bpm below the true tempo of pieces, my fingers were just not enough trained or fast, and i know i need some true practice, like a sportsman. I was lost between Hanon, Czerny,etc. but thanks to you i have a great view of the path i must take, i'll build a good basis for fingers strength with Hanon then i'll swap to Czerny to velocity, dexterity because it looks far more enjoyable.
I take Czerny “session” from time to time but generally think it’s best to have a varied styles of music from different periods to keep musicality and technique in shape.
IMO, a pianist could play the complete op. 740 during the course of, say, 10 years. The same thing holds true for Bach's WTC. A pianist would profit a lot from playing the 48 in 20 years' time. Never hurrying helps a lot.
The original German title of the school of velocity is ‘Die Schule der Geläufigkeit’, where ‘Geläufigkeit’ stands for fluency and dexterity, but definitely not for speed. According to the title, you should achieve ease and elegance here, not necessarily velocity, you don't have to hurt your fingers to achieve incredible speed, no one cares!
too words...Remain SANE ....common sense.....as you said if you can't play evenly at a fast tempo...slow it down to a speed at which you can ..and work toward a faster tempo...makes sense!! ..Thank you for putting it in order!!
I think that czerny is a great part of the piano repetoire. I've done all of them, and in fact they have some things that i've become better , when i went to another type of piano pieces, A must have to increase some techniques...among chopin etudes of course.
Thank you for this great and informative overview. I used to play 8 bar etudes a couple of years ago, and now I want to turn back to the keys after a break of several years. As my skills deteriorated, I am looking for something easier and new, so I probably grab 849. I don't actually play them to improve my virtuosity but rather to warm up, train basics and find and fix skills where I am not good enough at as I should be on my level (I really struggle with fast octaves for example, which is why Chopin op. 25 10. is one of the few Chopin etudes that I did never play in the past) What kind of grading system is that? Is there an overview with example pieces for "advanced" grades? I think advanced can be anything between Chopin's Waltzes and Ballades and Scherzi, where the latter I consider much harder but still not yet professional (with the 4th as an exception) I once saw a scale on a German page which 1-8 and then 8+ and 8++ but it was somehow ridiculous because a well-above average hobby player can be far beyond 8++ easily (don't remember the name and where I found it though)
This channel is for beginner/intermediate pianists, therefore I don't really discuss professional/very advanced material. I believe if you're very advanced, you won't be looking for youtube videos...you either have a great teacher or enough knowledge to learn alone. The only Czerny which is very advanced is op.740 from the ones I mentioned in the video
Some suggestion of the level of proficiency in Czerny's studies 1 Op 823 and Op 599 2 Op 849 3 Op 299 4 Op 636 5 Op 740 6 This is almost impossoble ! Op 365.
I have all these books plus a few more. IMSLP is a great place to find all these plus some. Also cheack out op. 500 The School of Pianoforte Playing. Its in 4 volumes. Its kind a "method" book of the time era. Neat for teachers for historical study.
I don't hate your video but I rather do hate the fact that you never play any of the exercises that you talk about and you keep referring to School grades which is very confusing as most people don't learn piano in first grade or in school at all. It just really makes it sound like you are talking about something you don't have direct experience in. That may not be the case. The whole thing sounds like you're recalling an article written about czerny from memory
Czerny wrote thousands of exercises. Do you want to play them all to give a good representation of what I am talking about? The video is long enough as it is. Also, many of the books are progressive, meaning that the beginning is much easier than the end so playing one piece would say nothing about the overall difficulty. I published several Czerny tutorial videos, where I play and teach the exercises in great detail.
@@pianotips2623 I stand by my comments, it's simply not a very good video. I understand your defensiveness but that does not make the video any better nor does you choice in background music.
@@marcorval thanks, I’ll check them out. Btw I simply stated that 365 is harder than 740. I didn’t mean to imply that 365 is the hardest, sorry for the misunderstanding.
@@pianisthenics true, but op. 365 is one of the hardest too. But it's not very interesting musically imo. I would prefer Op. 364, Op. 348, or the Sonata No. 10 (which Czerny called the "Étude Sonata") which are all very difficult. Op. 692 and Op. 756 are somewhat easier but also interesting from a musical standpoint. Sorry for the long rambling...it's just that I think some people should stop overplaying Op. 299, Op. 740, Op. 821, etc. because Czerny wrote far more interesting stuff, even in the realm of études.
Be careful with Czerny’s methods (or anyone else’s from that period) because they were written with a different instrument in mind. The pianoforte action has a completely different feel and it doesn’t quite line up with modern piano technique. Studying these can still be very valuable, but take their recommendations with a grain of salt.
Op. 364, Op. 348, the Sonata No. 10, Op. 692, Op. 754, and Op. 756 are Czerny studies which are almost never played yet considerably more musical than Op. 299, Op. 740, Op. 636, etc.
I was always confused about the various versions of Czerny, very helpful video! Thanks!
You have put Czerny in perspective. This has been invaluable to me as you explained how Czernys books progress. It has given me an understanding how Czerny has designed his books so l have an understanding of Czernys method so l can work at my level and at my own pace.
Thank you for your invaluable help explaining the order of these books.
Very much appreciated.
Love this video! I really like op 777 for early intermediate level, and it only has 24 exercises so it's not overwhelming. Because you didn't already have enough Czerny opus numbers. :)
Cool you mention 777. I also have the 777book and can play all 24. It was my introduction to Czerny. I continued now with the Germer book. You can play 777? And if so with which other opus you continued? PS: Opus777 is not well known I think. greets :-)
Useful summary. Thank you.
Hi John, thanks for asking. I just checked and your message ended up in spam for some reason. I just sent you a reply. Thanks, Stefan
Great video, thanks for the advice!
Thanks so much for this video…it is very informative
Very good and informative video! Thank you!
This really helps clear up the decision on which Czerny book to use. I have the 599 and will get the 849 next. Thank-you.
Really a great video, i'm a motivated 31yo adult beginner since 1 year, so around grade 3 , starting my way to grade 4, and i was frustrated to always being 10-15 bpm below the true tempo of pieces, my fingers were just not enough trained or fast, and i know i need some true practice, like a sportsman.
I was lost between Hanon, Czerny,etc. but thanks to you i have a great view of the path i must take, i'll build a good basis for fingers strength with Hanon then i'll swap to Czerny to velocity, dexterity because it looks far more enjoyable.
Will check these out today. Thank you for tips on which ones to practice as a hobby pianist
I take Czerny “session” from time to time but generally think it’s best to have a varied styles of music from different periods to keep musicality and technique in shape.
Merci 😊J’ai aussi Les heures du matin (opus 821) 😍💫
Very helpful! Thank you :) I find op 139 or the 100 progressive exercises super useful. Then the school of velocity op 299 after that. ❤
Thank you so much for your video! I got answers to my qustions❤
IMO, a pianist could play the complete op. 740 during the course of, say, 10 years. The same thing holds true for Bach's WTC. A pianist would profit a lot from playing the 48 in 20 years' time. Never hurrying helps a lot.
The original German title of the school of velocity is ‘Die Schule der Geläufigkeit’, where ‘Geläufigkeit’ stands for fluency and dexterity, but definitely not for speed. According to the title, you should achieve ease and elegance here, not necessarily velocity, you don't have to hurt your fingers to achieve incredible speed, no one cares!
Very important and underrated comment.
@@PianoDome thank you!
Thank you for this video! It really helped me! I am beginning 299 and I wasn’t sure how it fit with the others.
Op 365 is a ultimate challenge !
It is but is quite unmusical in my opinion. The Gradus ad Parnassum and Op. 692/Op. 756 are far more interesting.
Thanks for you video, very helpful. Op.299, 740, 365 are my prefered. A good path towards Chopin études.
Very helpful, thanks 😀
too words...Remain SANE ....common sense.....as you said if you can't play evenly at a fast tempo...slow it down to a speed at which you can ..and work toward a faster tempo...makes sense!! ..Thank you for putting it in order!!
Amazing content. Thanks!!!
very informative :))
Great. I goot many of these ops. Wanna practice...
Thank you!!!
Todo el largo curso de piano ,le dio. clases de tecnica a Lizst Chopin y contemporanesos ,yo estudie el Cerny 30. 40. Y 50. Para la tecnica.
I just found out about Czerney Opus 481, 50 exercises for beginners.
I think that czerny is a great part of the piano repetoire.
I've done all of them, and in fact they have some things that i've become better , when i went to another type of piano pieces,
A must have to increase some techniques...among chopin etudes of course.
Merci for this.
Thank you for this great and informative overview. I used to play 8 bar etudes a couple of years ago, and now I want to turn back to the keys after a break of several years. As my skills deteriorated, I am looking for something easier and new, so I probably grab 849. I don't actually play them to improve my virtuosity but rather to warm up, train basics and find and fix skills where I am not good enough at as I should be on my level (I really struggle with fast octaves for example, which is why Chopin op. 25 10. is one of the few Chopin etudes that I did never play in the past)
What kind of grading system is that? Is there an overview with example pieces for "advanced" grades? I think advanced can be anything between Chopin's Waltzes and Ballades and Scherzi, where the latter I consider much harder but still not yet professional (with the 4th as an exception)
I once saw a scale on a German page which 1-8 and then 8+ and 8++ but it was somehow ridiculous because a well-above average hobby player can be far beyond 8++ easily (don't remember the name and where I found it though)
This channel is for beginner/intermediate pianists, therefore I don't really discuss professional/very advanced material. I believe if you're very advanced, you won't be looking for youtube videos...you either have a great teacher or enough knowledge to learn alone. The only Czerny which is very advanced is op.740 from the ones I mentioned in the video
Some suggestion of the level of proficiency in Czerny's studies
1 Op 823 and Op 599
2 Op 849
3 Op 299
4 Op 636
5 Op 740
6 This is almost impossoble ! Op 365.
I have all these books plus a few more.
IMSLP is a great place to find all these plus some.
Also cheack out op. 500 The School of Pianoforte Playing. Its in 4 volumes. Its kind a "method" book of the time era. Neat for teachers for historical study.
Any word on Op. 453 ? I believe it is similar to Op. 599.
Thank you for the review and tips! :)
there are so many more, it's impossible to talk about all of them. but yes, it is quite similar to 599
Do you use Czerny's op. 718 studies, which concentrates on the left hand? How do you rate their utility?
What about Czerny's the school of the virtuoso, or school of the left hand?
So many books!!!
indeed!
How do people figure out the right fingering and avoid practicing wrong in these books?
Good morning sir. Where is the position of czerny 553 octave studies?
I’m looking for an exercise that works 5-4-3-2 upward scale motion in the LH.
any standard is scale is good for that pattern
@@pianotips2623 Thanks! Was hoping for a Czerny that repeats that motion over and over, with some clever variations 🙂
Op 337 is recommended for busy daily schedule.
Tyyyyy
Those are the beginner I use with my STUDENTS as I say
I don't hate your video but I rather do hate the fact that you never play any of the exercises that you talk about and you keep referring to School grades which is very confusing as most people don't learn piano in first grade or in school at all. It just really makes it sound like you are talking about something you don't have direct experience in. That may not be the case. The whole thing sounds like you're recalling an article written about czerny from memory
Czerny wrote thousands of exercises. Do you want to play them all to give a good representation of what I am talking about? The video is long enough as it is. Also, many of the books are progressive, meaning that the beginning is much easier than the end so playing one piece would say nothing about the overall difficulty. I published several Czerny tutorial videos, where I play and teach the exercises in great detail.
@@pianotips2623 I stand by my comments, it's simply not a very good video. I understand your defensiveness but that does not make the video any better nor does you choice in background music.
Op.740 is not the hardest!! Op.365 is more difficult
I'd say the Op. 245 study in double notes takes the cake for most technically demanding Czerny piece. It borders on unplayable in certain sections.
@@marcorval thanks, I’ll check them out. Btw I simply stated that 365 is harder than 740. I didn’t mean to imply that 365 is the hardest, sorry for the misunderstanding.
@@pianisthenics true, but op. 365 is one of the hardest too. But it's not very interesting musically imo. I would prefer Op. 364, Op. 348, or the Sonata No. 10 (which Czerny called the "Étude Sonata") which are all very difficult. Op. 692 and Op. 756 are somewhat easier but also interesting from a musical standpoint. Sorry for the long rambling...it's just that I think some people should stop overplaying Op. 299, Op. 740, Op. 821, etc. because Czerny wrote far more interesting stuff, even in the realm of études.
Czerny I use with my students at the Music Institute. It's pronounced with K I ALWAYS HAVE. FIR EXAMPLE (KERNEY)
Nadie te en tiende.
Be careful with Czerny’s methods (or anyone else’s from that period) because they were written with a different instrument in mind. The pianoforte action has a completely different feel and it doesn’t quite line up with modern piano technique. Studying these can still be very valuable, but take their recommendations with a grain of salt.
Let me ask the obvious question…. Why is Mariah Carey all over your practice room, when we’re talking about Czerny / classical music repertoire prep?
Well, I believe one can love many different kinds of music. I adore Mariah and adore Mozart too.
@@pianotips2623 very good taste, i love her too!
Gayest photo ever but you do you my friend.. great video
@@brandonmacey964chill out