The Truth is Terrible - Nietzsche's Idea of an Aesthetic Justification for Existence

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ธ.ค. 2024

ความคิดเห็น • 109

  • @mykura2018
    @mykura2018 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    great speech - simple as that

  • @canisronis2753
    @canisronis2753 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Shopenhauer = Being, Nietzsche = Doing

    • @xfactorb25222
      @xfactorb25222 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Schopenhauer= discovered the terrible truth, Nietzsche= hacked all the genius from Schopenhauer, then tried to escape this truth with childish little psychological suicide attempts.... He had to hold on to the myth, that he is ...special.

    • @riverhale6469
      @riverhale6469 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@xfactorb25222lmao

    • @plentigaff
      @plentigaff 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@xfactorb25222 thats quite ironic considering schopenhauer's crackpot philosophy and how highly he saw himself. nietzsche had a genuine self-awareness of himself and humanity as a whole

  • @Bibibosh
    @Bibibosh ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really liked the speach!
    very poetic!

  • @bon12121
    @bon12121 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    26:46 I guess it's similar etymology to resentment

    • @cinematiccrisis
      @cinematiccrisis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      We would probably talk of frustration.

    • @alleygh0st
      @alleygh0st ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's the french word it comes from.

  • @TheBigFella
    @TheBigFella ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is great !!

  • @selimgure
    @selimgure 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    To me this is not merely a speech.This is a sermon from the church of pessimism, and I am loving every minute of it.

    • @riverhale6469
      @riverhale6469 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nietzsche disagreed with Schopenhauer’s pessimism and was far more an optimist than anything. What does your comment mean exactly?

    • @paulheinrichdietrich9518
      @paulheinrichdietrich9518 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@riverhale6469 He actually agreed with Schopenhauer.

    • @riverhale6469
      @riverhale6469 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@paulheinrichdietrich9518 what do you mean? By the 1870s he was already heavily breaking from Schopenhauer’s teaching and ultimately came to view his philosophy as too pessimistic and Buddhist.

    • @paulheinrichdietrich9518
      @paulheinrichdietrich9518 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@riverhale6469 I mean he never rejected Schopenhauer conclusions about the lack of value of life when viewed objectively but he did rejected it on extra rational grouds. Nietzsche's philosophy can be summed up thus: "Philosophical rationalism leads to a complete devaluation of life (the philosophical pessimists were right) therefore we must through over reason altogether and affirm life in a non discursive, vitalistic, existentialistic way." That's the philosophy of Zarathustra.

    • @riverhale6469
      @riverhale6469 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ gotcha, I was speaking more on the valuations and actions Schopenhauer embodied, which Nietzsche viewed as anathema to the will to power. So we’re talking past each other somewhat.

  • @tryharder75
    @tryharder75 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good stuff

  • @Scout887
    @Scout887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I don't think that nietzsche's life affirming words withstand to the observation that bad things and suffering outweighs the joys of life, both in quantity and quality. Only our brain tends to paint over and brings forth good nostalgia if we look back at life. This rises the impression/illusion that joys of life outweigh the misery and suffering. Chocolate does not taste good anymore after having a full bar, after euphoria of having your first child, you will even get tired of it too and it will turn into a profane life-chore, in short, joys of life have a a very transitory, ephemeral quality but you can be damn sure that misery, suffering and pain tend to last more and it can reach levels you don't want to even imagine whereas the levels of maximum joys and fulfilment is still comprehensible in comparison.

    • @walterbraun3731
      @walterbraun3731 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "bad things and suffering outweighs the joys of life, both in quantity and quality" - what is the measurement you apply? It can only be your very personal evaluation, nothing remotely 'objective' in your individual views. So, what if you changed your perspective, as Nietzsche suggested!?

    • @Scout887
      @Scout887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@walterbraun3731 its my personal evaluation but it includes looking at my surroundings: people (young people too) getting cancer, babies born with defects, neverending economical crisis and now inflation which forces people who have savings into the risky stock market, ...
      There is an old couple in their 70's i know where the woman fights with cancer since 6 years and his husband now has dementia and they both are now fulltime nursing cases. All things fall apart, its encoded into reality, scientists call it entropy, the measurement of disorder, its ever rising, completely indifferent to the misery it causes. To sum it up in one sentence:: "the terrible indifference of the reality towards sentient beings".

    • @walterbraun3731
      @walterbraun3731 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Scout887 Well, the "indifference of reality" is just a fact, as such neutral, neither good or bad. On the other hand, think of what was necessary (in cosmological terms) to create this world, planet Earth, life... us. For every suffering person you might find ten people who are glad, happy even -- it depends on where you focus your attention (and intention!).
      Your argument basically complains about the limitation of human existence: life ends in death, therefore life is bad. Such a view has, historically speaking, triggered two main reactions - the imaginings of a divine instance (saving us from the ultimate fate of deteriorating matter), or nihilism.
      The point of Nietzsche (and Existentialism) was that we are still free enough to take a stance, to give our individual existence meaning (instead of just passively reacting to the world of necessity). But only you yourself can do that; there is no falling back to preconceived, general categories.
      If you look for a mystical side to it, well, consider this: the whole of Being = one, and you can be a (limited) one too...

    • @AnnaPrzebudzona
      @AnnaPrzebudzona 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@walterbraun3731 Scout887's argument is not a complaint about life's limitation - death. It's about the great imbalance of joy and suffering. He gave a very good example. Having eaten a bar of chocolate you won't enjoy any more of it, or if you fall in love, the passionate excitement will dwindle away sooner or later but if you had a chronic disease, you wouldn't experience fatigue of pain receptors; obviously you would treat yourself with medicine and/or painkillers but if you didn't, you would continue to feel the pain without an end (and it might even grow). Our pain sensors don't get satisfied or exhausted like our pleasure sensors. In other words, there's limit to pleasure but there's no limit to pain.

    • @Khemith_Demon_Hours
      @Khemith_Demon_Hours 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok Schopenhauer.

  • @tryharder75
    @tryharder75 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any idea what year this was?

  • @klammer75
    @klammer75 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Amazing! Aesthetics as sexual metaphor in the sustaining of human life….love it!🥳🧐🤓🤩

  • @RaHeadD10
    @RaHeadD10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    French Nietzsche pales in comparison to reactionary and the real Nietzsche.

    • @lynnfisher3037
      @lynnfisher3037 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      French? Please explain. Its very possible I missed that ref.

    • @elel2608
      @elel2608 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@lynnfisher3037
      He’s talking about French Nieztscheans like Foucault, Deleuze, Derrida, etc.

  • @raa9558
    @raa9558 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I learned.

  • @spencerwinston4334
    @spencerwinston4334 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    A fascinating analysis of Nietzsche's devastating critique of traditional "values." With his full sight focus on the Machiavellian distortion of values by religious institutions to service tyrants, Nietzsche's philosophical attack came with mountain lightning speed and the precision of Navy Seal alpine warfare from his Olympian Swiss Alps perch. The rarefied air and vantage point of the Swiss Alps along with Nietzsche's expertise in Greek and Latin philology gave Nietzsche the edge. The mercenary soldiers, representing the T.S. Eliot "hollow men" of the traditional state, university Marxist professors, and the lieutenants of the decayed, ossified Roman legion Church aka "origin of the term religion R..e legion", stood no chance against Nietzsche's intellectual firepower.
    With his courageous, ferocious mountain attack, Nietzsche fought to liberate "modern man" from the shackles of the Roman Empire tradition, and the Machiavellian "storylines" used throughout history to service the state, where souls went to die, "soul diers" all to promote the most sinister of agendas and the most depraved tyrants in history even if draped in silk robes and bespoke Savile Row suits. He fought to reveal again out of a keen instinct to release man to his no-limit capacity, to open the "dog gate" so man was left free to explore the vast Western horizons of thought and creativity, to go out on the leading edge of potentiality all while infused with the immensity and grandeur of the Ralph Waldo Emersonian described "immense intelligence" that pervades all, the real God Nietzsche fought to reveal for the luminosity of man. Thank you for sharing your video and philosophy expertise with Nietzsche aficionados across the world.

    • @tarhunta2111
      @tarhunta2111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is brilliant mate.Well done.

    • @Mendelmandela
      @Mendelmandela ปีที่แล้ว

      N
      o wonder this philosophical Machiavelli lost his mind in his rejection of the absolute and his embrace of the relative

    • @elenabalyberdina2393
      @elenabalyberdina2393 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      what you are saying here resonates with my own thinking on Nietzsche. However, are you bothered by the fact that some criminals misused his writings, and some interpreters claim that he was illiberal and elitist? What would you say to those?

    • @spencerwinston4334
      @spencerwinston4334 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@elenabalyberdina2393 Ty for the feedback and compelling questions.
      The Niezschean ideals, imo as a Nietzsche aficionado, are open to all in a pure democratic sense. The fact remains though that not all have the refined tastes and the elite warrior discipline or ability to withstand solitude in parts that the Nietzschean over man aspires in the quest to become a true "laughing lion" with a full spectrum insight into the will to power vortex in all dimensions and ethereal planes.
      Just as many are called to win the Navy Seal Trident, most fall by the wayside and ring the bell to pull themselves out of consideration as the physical and mental demands are too rigorous. In nature as well on the most basic form of just raw one-dimensional "power dynamics", many wolves consider themselves the alpha wolf, but nature is not fooled and all the pretenders fall by the wayside and the real alpha leader arises that all accept as if by instinct. Power, as philosopher Ralph Waldo Emerson observed, "in the end...obeys reality not appearances."
      So no amount of democratic empty suit sophistry can change the fact that not all have the x-factor Nietzschean noble rarefied tastes or mental rigor to win a Nietzschean "Navy Seal trident." Power of course is so much more than just raw force as the concept is associated with growth, and advancement on higher ethereal realms far far away from the "maddening crowd."
      Regardless, all of us should attempt to rise above the maddening crowd of insipid "politics and sophistry." Growth and higher awareness on the leading edge await all in the quest for the Niezschean "philosopher stone" and next-level Swiss Alps rarefied air awareness and satori. The reward arises from the challenge and all who strive will advance to a higher realm than the hollow men so pervasive in the "wasteland of modern society."
      All the best in your journey contemplating the "philosopher for the day after tomorrow." Hope to see soon you up in the Swiss Alps and rarefied Nietzschean air. Stay in touch with your Niezschean reflections. We can all learn so much by sharing ideas. Dom Perignon Cheers.

    • @elenabalyberdina2393
      @elenabalyberdina2393 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@spencerwinston4334 hey, thanks for your reply. all the best to you too. i am just trying to cope with anxiety of terrible truths and find ways to openly talk about it and support each other, without fleeing into oblivion of one defense or another..., i am so disappointed that so many people misunderstood Nietzsche...

  • @edwardwoods3097
    @edwardwoods3097 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will all the content of the last channel be restored to this one?

    • @Philosophy_Overdose
      @Philosophy_Overdose  3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yeah, most of it will be back.

    • @edwardwoods3097
      @edwardwoods3097 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Philosophy_Overdose May I ask the reason for the change of channels?

    • @akhilrasheed6436
      @akhilrasheed6436 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@edwardwoods3097 The old one was taken down.

    • @Bibibosh
      @Bibibosh ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edwardwoods3097 no you cant ask!

  • @leststoner
    @leststoner ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I concur.

  • @elel2608
    @elel2608 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    45:00

  • @jamesteather5641
    @jamesteather5641 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Absolutely amazing lecture

  • @sigvardbjorkman
    @sigvardbjorkman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    59:10 I wonder about what it was that he "hated" so much, particularly about the Germans more so than he did of other peoples? At the same time Brian here seems to go along with, for what ever reason and out of the blue, in wholly accepting the Nazi self view as being the ones living up to and espousing the German character towards its fullest potential? So Brian crowns his lecture with that as to make all his previous utterances fall into place with especially that in mind? Is this supposed "hate" his own words to cram down to his audience or is it the actual view of Nietzsche himself accurately represented? Nietzsche will also have said something along the lines of that 'one criticises that wich one loves' which could play into the fact that for whatever reason he still did choose to live among those that he for whatever reason supposedly here "hated" and did not move some other place to distance himself from what he allegedly so much disliked?

    • @jamesbarlow6423
      @jamesbarlow6423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He did move from Germany to the Austrian alps and then Italy, remember?

    • @cinematiccrisis
      @cinematiccrisis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      To answer directly: yes, Nietzsche hated the Germans for being disappointingly democratic, un-aristocratic and unselfish, extempting some good exemplars (Bach, Luther, Goethe, Beethoven etc.). He especially despised their new (2nd) "Reich" and its self-satisfaction. Also the Antisemitic movement of his time, which he regarded as pure ressentiment (not to speak of the strong socialist movement of his time).
      In the later, darker areas of his thought, he argued for creating a new aristocratic Herrenklasse for Europe, by cross-breeding Prussian military nobility (which he regarded to be of Polish descent as, wrongly, himself) for the will to power with the Jewish (for intellect).
      N.s theory of sensemaking ("justification") has many strong points, but it lead him straight to unrestricted aristocratism, he objected to the modern world of mass affluence and mass communication. I imagine him reacting to large audiences consuming lectures about him on the internet with utter disgust. For over 100 years, N. has been the most beloved philosopher of the insecure adolescent, I think that is a fair revenge of the Weltgeist.

    • @jamesbarlow6423
      @jamesbarlow6423 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cinematiccrisis Actually he never hated the Germans for being "too democratic." Too nationalistic, yes.
      Retead w to p

    • @cinematiccrisis
      @cinematiccrisis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jamesbarlow6423 in nationalism he just despised the democratic element.

    • @cinematiccrisis
      @cinematiccrisis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Xaviar 77versus99 have you read Nietzsche?

  • @asundergrowth
    @asundergrowth 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    when was this lecture dated?

    • @Philosophy_Overdose
      @Philosophy_Overdose  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't remember, but my guess is 2013-2015.

    • @Bibibosh
      @Bibibosh ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Philosophy_Overdose thanks!

  • @alinebaruchi1936
    @alinebaruchi1936 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I still remember their gloves
    Fallen angels

  • @elel2608
    @elel2608 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    18:58 Christianity against art

  • @elel2608
    @elel2608 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    21:00 aesthetic socratism

  • @hansfrankfurter2903
    @hansfrankfurter2903 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Is this where the silly idea of “depression makes you artistic” comes from?
    Depression makes you suffer unnecessarily , period.

    • @paulheinrichdietrich9518
      @paulheinrichdietrich9518 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We have the Romantics to "thank" for that

    • @riverhale6469
      @riverhale6469 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      At what point did you conclude that Nietzsche thinks that suffering makes you artistic?

  • @rachitacharya5665
    @rachitacharya5665 ปีที่แล้ว

    9:52 lmao

  • @dandydante7924
    @dandydante7924 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can't fuck with Ecce Homo. Liz had the final say with that publication and practly sold her dead brothers work and transformed it into her own "terrible truth" it's cool I appreciate the talk and it's nice to hear the echoes of the man. But that work is tainted by the black heart of the very person he denounced. Tragic in its own right.

    • @nicholasmacdonald1
      @nicholasmacdonald1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      From what I understand Ecce Homo was pretty much published as-is. The only work particularly “tainted” was The Will to Power, and Kaufmann’s commentaries are helpful for teasing out the gold from the dross with that one.

    • @bryanutility9609
      @bryanutility9609 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nicholasmacdonald1yes this is the correct answer

  • @johnnywilley8522
    @johnnywilley8522 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The description of this video is unfaithful to Nietzsche's actual philosophy embedded in his writing - if there is one - it's certainly not the French version represented here; the "life justified as an aesthetic phenomena" makes sense within a more expansive, critical & imaginative reading of Nietzsche, i.e. you all are actually Schopenhauerian in your discussion of "art" in relation to N. -

    • @kokubo399
      @kokubo399 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Would you care to elaborate? This is super interesting

  • @quantumfineartsandfossils2152
    @quantumfineartsandfossils2152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    when I talk like this I do not get invited to lecture!! so I make more useful empirical observations instead but go figure most people done want those either so back to square one!! I hate nietche he is so unobservant like his mouthpiece here yes the truth is horrible yes we get eaten by insects yes we are all piles of crap BUT people spend their whole lives obsessed with strangers abusing other people for no reason so I really only admire or seek to emulate people who lessen others misery You should not abuse or mistreat anyone or any group of people that lessons human suffering not for fame or to be a hero but as a manner of cognitive reality This is why you dont do what this guy does a& talk like this a few minutes in You talk about even things you dont have like people who meet who have children who protect them who create systems against predators and invite others to contribute then you cant focus on the hubris of nihilism here because then you understand human MOTIVES & show & prove that you care about others without existing as a pathological liar unstable abusive criminal and prove it prove that these are your motives with no rewards just like any other member of your unit if you cannot do this sorry you deserve to be worm food

  • @FreedomSpirit108
    @FreedomSpirit108 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I guess it's hard to stay on task for intellectuals as well

  • @automan1591
    @automan1591 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wowie zowie!

  • @sberg91941
    @sberg91941 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ugh, who is right, who is wrong? Academics argue everything. Why? In regards to biology, creatures thrive in the environment that they are adapted to. Creatures respond poorly to environments counter to their adaptive mechanisms. Happiness is derived from behaving to your adaptive nature. Idk, just a thought.

  • @thenotchosen
    @thenotchosen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ehhhhhhh What's up doc >?

  • @derekharley7343
    @derekharley7343 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ignorance is bliss, Nietzsche needed to cheer up and chill out!

    • @riverhale6469
      @riverhale6469 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He was cheerful, what do you mean?

  • @someguyio3654
    @someguyio3654 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    thank you for the jewish introduction.

  • @chopin65
    @chopin65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I don't think the gentleman speaking should bring in his political examples of evil America when evil is so well practiced everywhere. When he is so fat and affluent, he should admit his crimes first.
    Bad example. Step down from the lectern.

    • @JamesJoyce12
      @JamesJoyce12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      why would someone so challenged be listening to Philo in the first place - step down yourself

    • @spencerwinston4334
      @spencerwinston4334 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A fascinating analysis of Nietzsche's devastating critique on traditional "values." With his full sight focus on the Machiavellian distortion of values by religious institutions to service tyrants, Nietzsche's philosophical attack came with mountain lightning speed and the precision of Navy Seal alpine warfare from his Olympian Swiss Alps perch. The rarefied air and vantage point of the Swiss Alps along with Nietzsche's expertise in Greek and Latin philology gave Nietzsche the edge. The mercenary soldiers, representing the T.S. Eliot "hollow men" of the traditional state, university values and the lieutenants of the decayed, ossified Roman legion Church aka "origin of the term religion R..e legion", stood no chance against Nietzsche's intellectual firepower. With his courageous, ferocious mountain attack, Nietzsche fought to liberate "modern man" from the shackles of the Roman Empire tradition, and the Machiavellian "storylines" used throughout history to service the state, where souls went to die, "soul diers" all to promote the most sinister of agendas and the most depraved tyrants in history even if draped in silk robes and bespoke Savile Row suits. He fought to reveal again out of a keen instinct to release man to his no limit capacity, to open the "dog gate" so man was left free to explore the vast Western horizons of thought and creativity, to go out on the leading edge of potentiality all while infused with the immensity and grandeur of the Ralph Waldo Emersonian described "immense intelligence" that pervades all, the real God Nietzsche fought to reveal for the luminosity of man. Thank you for sharing your video and philosophy expertise with Nietzsche aficionados across the world.

  • @MS-il3ht
    @MS-il3ht 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wtf happened to your channel?

    • @Philosophy_Overdose
      @Philosophy_Overdose  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's sleeping with the fishes.

    • @MS-il3ht
      @MS-il3ht 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Philosophy_Overdose TH-cam really started going full mafia some time ago

    • @dharmapalsharma2679
      @dharmapalsharma2679 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wonderful patience to hear see it complete!
      Conclusions yet to be ✍️
      All as Divinely Ordained 🇮🇳🌺🛐☦️🔯🕉️☪️🕎☯️🌺🇮🇳

  • @PUMPADOUR
    @PUMPADOUR 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That kind of thinking happens to vitamin d deficient people of North Europe. Quite sad...

    • @sof553
      @sof553 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd be much more inclined to think there is a strong genetic element to it than mere vitamin deficiency. On the environmental side Nietzsche was an inverted mirror image of the people he was surrounded by. Very little nuance or shades of grey with either evangelicals or Nietzsche.

    • @paulheinrichdietrich9518
      @paulheinrichdietrich9518 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Genetic fallacy in 3... 2... 1...

    • @coimbralaw
      @coimbralaw ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Absolutely zero evidence for this garbage assertion.

    • @edieremia9464
      @edieremia9464 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nigga

    • @fortunatomartino9797
      @fortunatomartino9797 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Black supremacy
      The boldness of people who worship George Floyd