Let's be real, Gen 3 meta is basically any and every pokemon. Someday, you'll see your opponent running Muk or something and he gonna do the hardest counter to your team you'll ever see.
Fire blast, sludge bomb, toxic, momento. If dug is removed you can really annoy Skarm and Celebi, even momento to keep up momentum. Or not idk I came up with this in like 15 seconds
To be honest, that sounds pretty nice, a meta where almost everyone can somehow shine if they do it well, might probably be one of the reasons why jimothy likes it so much.
“there are teams that rely on metagross as the solrock resist” that’s true, it’s a very effective check, resisting both stabs of such a central threat. thanks for providing this insightful commentary jim (in all seriousness, this list is great so far and im excited to listen/watch throughout the day as i find time)
This guy exists on another plane of existence where knowledge has no bounds and questions like this are met with commensurate astoundment and are surrounded by perplexity, rather than being answered by reading the title of a video in 2 seconds. I envy your world, my friend.
Mr. Jimothy Cool, I recently got into Gen 3 thanks to your videos, and one of the things contributing to the high skill floor of the game is the very specific EV spreads that aren't just unique to each Pokemon, but to each set on the same Pokemon. I think a video explaining how, say, a Gengar is specsed to barely live a Tyranitar Pursuit, or why a Jirachi with a speed-reducing Sassy nature might still invest 32 points into its Speed, will help new players get into the game even easier. Thanks and while I love all your videos, the Gen 3 ones are my favorite because it's such a cool metagame.
What I love most about Gen 3 meta is how many Pokemon are viable, the power creep doesn't feel all that apparent in the format and there's the right about of defense and offense. I love all the niches a lot of Pokemon can have. Even something as lonely as Glalie has a use as an excellent spikes abusers and users of explosion.
And then you listen to bkc go "spikes restrictive", "this team inconsistent", "every team needs a x switch in". And I'm like "yep top players def see the game very differently"
Same goes for Gen 4 (Ariados, Froslass, Glalie, Kabutops, Magneton, Nidoqueen, Porygon2, Qwilfish) Most of the PkMN listed have use in UBERS btw Unfortunately (thanks to this channel and other ignorance) DPP will from now on only be remembered for... Stealth Rock? Wow. Edit: Gen 4 not Gen 5 Gen 5 is veeery different from the SUPERIOR Gen 3 and Gen 4 Quiver Dance, Tail Glow, Gems, Rotom-"Appliances", Kyurem-B in OU and sooo much power creep that Gen 5's UU looks like Gen 3 and Gen 4 OU Btw people should really try out Gen 4 Ubers and especially DPP UU and NU, the lower tiers in Gen 4 are so much fun to play if OU isn't for you Gen 4 just like Gen 3 is so damn versatile, every Mon has like 30 different sets and uses and every Mon has a niche (or many) I prefer Gen 3 and 4 over the oldest Gens (not enough stuff and versatility, kinda boring and either 100 turns long or extremely hyper offensive like Gen 1 for example) and newer Gens from about Gen 5 or 6 onwards up to Gen 9 (power creep and other balance issues)
Gen 3 OU is so fun. You'll think you have a stable team against the meta and then some chad walks in with some crazy ass like Choice Band Tentacruel and absolutely ruins you and you realize that literally everything is viable if you work hard enough
Started playing after finding you about a week ago and it's the most I've enjoyed Pokemon in a while. I've been using a meta-check team with pull magneton and trace p2, metagross, suicune, celebi, and belly zard. I love how it feels like every game, I have the tools to win. It really feels like it's determined by who is making the better plays
Bold of you to suggest that the objective best Pokemon of all time, Elemental Punching Hitmonchan, is not at least B tier. I used it in my in-game playthrough once and it only died all the time.
I've just gotten into Gen 3 and would love more teams and team styles to try so more content is appreciated! Only now hearing about superman, interested to try it!
Also a video on leads and the meta for what to expect would be interesting! Although I've started to modify teams myself, I usually just lead with whatever pokemon I got in the pokepaste by default without much thought beyond that
th-cam.com/video/BkvCZ18ySWE/w-d-xo.html I have this old vid where I share some good beginner teams. I also built a new Zapdos TSS team recently that I think would be a good choice for a beginner learning the fundamentals: pokepast.es/51ba1a85303daa0d In this old vid I talk about what TSS is (The most central team style in the game) and why it's good: th-cam.com/video/kMRnd0Mllf8/w-d-xo.html I do plan to do a vid about lead matchups in the future!
I fell asleep while watching this and had a dream that my therapist got bored and derailed my session to discuss offensive vs defensive starmie in excruciating detail with me
Mr Jimothy, it would make me a very happy man if you could explain the general state of many past gen tier lists to me, such as those from 1-6. In return, I would like to offer you this wonderful comment and a subscription.
I have been messing around with sp def magneton recently in line with what you were saying about it being dead weight a lot of the time. Thunderbolt, hp ice, rest, sleep talk. Running with rapid spin support because it's less reliable limiting skarm's spikes. It has a surprising amount of utility in responding to zapdos, screening blissey from gengar explosion etc. (it straight up walls gengar without fire punch). It's exploitable sure but I find I get more use out of it in most matchups than regular mag.
I wonder if there's a case to be made for using both Chansey and Blissey, the idea being that you play a bit fast and lose with blissey potentially losing it, which then makes your opponent play fast and lose with their physical attackers, and then once all the Pokemon that could deal with Blissey are worn down, you hit them with the diet Blissey. I'm not saying it's good, just saying with how wild some Pokemon choices have been at the higher levels of gen 3 OU, I wouldn't be surprised if this idea has already been experimented with.
Awesome to see the format is so varied! Honestly i think you've finally broke me into giving it a go, might swing something with heracross - cool pokemon i've never used.
Did you not rank da bug (ninjask) out of spite (valid), or do you not think it is a viable option? I think ninjask is still quite solid on cheesy teams.
So many pokemon you've showcased are basically "top tier pokemon except it trades a bunch of things just to get one unique thing." Like Sableye and Lunatone. As fun as those videos are, taking a look at all the top tiers together really helps put into perspective what you're giving up.
Ever tried Umbreon with curse, baton pass, taunt and wish? I've had pretty consistent results with it by passing those curse stat boosts on to either Snorlax or White Herb Aerodactyl...(and making Umbreon use taunt everytime you expect a roar, and not being punished to hard if you mispredict because of its massive bulk on both the physical and special side). The benefits of Aerodactyl not being locked into one move by choice band is pretty significant.
Honestly Lanturn should be in D instead of bottom tier. It has a really silly and legit niche in the metagame. Great defensive attributes with only weaknesses to grass and ground and an immunity to electric via volt absorb. It’s definitely not standard but it does have a little bit of merit. It’s the only bulky bolt beam resist in the entire game and has unique and legitimate qualities that no other Pokémon have. It is not without flaw but it is definitely a useable Pokémon. BKC has an entire video dedicated to ADV Lanturn, worth a watch
I like the sub/hydro/tbolt/icebeam set with SpA investment. Simply switch it in on a free turn or smth weak to water/electric, sub up as the opponent switches, and fire attacks.
I got pretty high rank during gen 5 a loooooong time ago with lanturn. Crazy how such a silly looking Pokémon can do so much work. I wish I remembered why I used it other than being amazing at dealing with the OP rain teams at the time.
I would argue Blissey and Regice could be said to be bulky bolt beam resists. Lanturn functions almost the same as Regice, with the downside of being completely removed by dugtrio. It has some merit, but I do think it is very bad. Looking at Jim's list though, I would say that it's better than Mantine, Quagsire and Wailord. Cradily is also better than many mons in the tier above imo.
@@DantinozMC definitely agree Dugtrio weakness is brutal. That’s its biggest problem. Definitely a rogue pick to keep in mind though, might be a good bring once in a while. Really needs something to eliminate/deal with dug tho
While I was watching this I started to wonder if it’s possible to make a good competitive team out of only flying/levitating pokemon so that you’re completely immune to spikes and can just ignore them. If the opponent starts setting up spikes before they know your gimmick then they’re basically giving you free turns and you never have to waste time removing them.
I love Yama, but I need to figure him out more. I know breloom and heracross immediately die to a Skarm drill peck, but Yama doesn't take it well either. Yama feels hard to capitalize on for me; yes, his traits are cool but they're geared for longer games. Definitely prefer Breloom's immediate utility and pseudo DDTar and aero checking abilities with mach punch. And a late game heracross is the scariest thing in the tier. Nothing is so explosive as it. Love the fighters
Nah Ninjask is decent but I don't respect it and think its pure cheese. Kinda hard to rank for that reason. Some matchups it auto wins, some it auto loses
Mr. Jimothy, big fan. I've been binging your ADV content lately. Wondering which set of 6 forms the best Superman team to you? I'm trying to cover all my bases, but it's hard to find the perfect 6.
Superman almost always has some defensive flaws due to the nature of the team. It often struggles with Swampert and boltbeam coverage. I quite like: Ttar, Blissey, Skarm, Gengar, Flygon, Aero. Aero makes up for some of the defensive flaws. You kinda want fire coverage on Flygon (for skarm) and Grass coverage on Gengar tho (for pert). Play standard TSS style until aero cleans.
seems like a pretty solid list to me, pretty much my only objection is not having slaking in the mid tiers. i would much rather use slaking than anything in c tier, and i'd probably squeeze it in between kingdra and venusaur. also this is minor but i disagree with the idea that gyarados needs dd, i use a 3 attack twave set and i find it very versatile and useful. the meta centers around ttar/aero and standard special threats, and standard defensive cores focus on checking those, which means less common threats tend to ruin your day and gyara can improve your matchup into all of them while also threatening the common defensive cores itself. it checks swampert, suicune, zard/molt, heracross, medicham, metagross, most blisseys, and the vast majority of mixed threats, while disrupting your opponent with twave to support its teammates, and threatening huge damage with hp flying/rock, eq and double edge
Where would you put swellow? It's situational but guts+choice band can really punish the opponent, and guarantees a ko against offensive tyranitar with hp fighting
Been finding a lot of success with venusaur recently. Very fast sleep + leech seed + checking zapdos in one mon is very nice. Need to pair with spikes tho imo.
I'm not new to Pokemon, but I'm new to gen 3. Could you suggest a team that's solid but not too predictable? Difficulty to pilot is not an issue. I just want something good to learn the format with.
Depends on the team, 120 spdef lives a +1 cune beam in sand. 216 hp lives that and a +1 mence slide (and a +0 ttar slide) 280 speed beats molt, 328 is max, 300 is fine, 308 is fine, 244 for bulky sets. Rest in spatk to pump damage as much as possible.
From my (very limited) experience, I get TONS of mileage out of destiny bond speedy gengar. He has tbolt and fire punch willowisp to do what he can, and once he has less than 1/3 hp he can take away whatever I don't have an answer for
My fave jirachi set when i was playing gen 3 ou was sub+cm+fire punch+hp grass with max hp/speed investment, if you can get rid of their strong physical attackers the little guy can absolutely slaughter after a few cm
honestly i think people should maybe try and explore more bulky cloysters and not care about hitting that 244 speed as much. another thing that sucks about it is that swampert can just focus punch it when it makes a spike, killing it if it switched in on a hydro pump
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Havent touched Gen 3 OU, but let me see if I can understand the reasoning behind some of the placements before I watch the vid Tyranitar - Sand Stream chips away most of the metagame & negates leftovers & stacks with spikes damage. Ddance sets, mixed sets, bulky sets, pursuit mindgames, Toxic, & just being an unpredictable mon that deals the most passive damage in the OU format via sand stream chip. Has 6 weakness & 6 resists, but it's not banworthy. Skarm - Uh... Spikes is absurd on a mon with NO physical damage weaknesses. Pressures grounded mons & is immune to Steel's annoying ground weakness, which helps it go a long way. Can blanket special hits with sp.Def investment. Swampert - Crazy typing. Amazing stat spread means it can kinda do what it wants & it has a good movepool. Being immune to Electric & sand stream chip goes a long way. One of the better answers to the BoltBeam combo Salamence - Let me guess... insane mixed attacking potential? Intimidate cheats lol. Wish + intimidate is very good. Has Ddance, but needs support. Gengar - Levitate is always powerful. Is it an assassin? Coming in on immune hits & clicking a fat coverage move or explosion? Perish Song get any use? Will-o doing 12% & busting physical attackers pretty much gives gengar surprisingly good defensive utility for such a fragile mon. Being ghost also means you block Rapid Spin & explosion, which is very solid for something fast & deadly. Dugtrio - Pretty much THE trapper courtesy of Arena Trap, which turns its base 120 speed into checkmate positions. Zapdos - Being a ground immune electric + a flying type no weak to Electric coverage goes a long way. It's always been annoying both offensively & defensively. I imagine baton pass & toxic punish mons in the format it must have issues with, whereas in later gens, it's an annoying status monster spamming discharge for para hax, toxic bs, & just being annoying to remove. Magneton - Removes Skarm & exists to pressure opposing teams with electric + HP of choice coverage right? Electric/Steel is a broken typing, so i can see even that niche being so invaluable. Having the largest amount of resists is never a bad thing either. Blissey - Shits on 90% of special attacking moves unless you have SubCalm. Can blanket physical moves because powercreep isnt out of the park yet. Natural Cure + instant recovery make it hard to wear down. Spreads status & is a good status absorber with a read. Let me try some more obscure ones. Hm... Medicham - Extremely physically overpowering with good predictions & momentum. Has a small amount of truly safe switch-ins. Makes you feel like a psychic type when you read your opponent well, but it's hard to get the fear factor in your opponent. Celebi - Before its movepool got enhanced (giving it severe 4 moveslot syndrome), I am guessing Leech Seed + 3 attacks or some kind of boosting with Calm Mind? It makes Swampert sweat & is a fantastic partner for Magneton (going off of my gen 4 exp here). Looks to be one of the best enablers in the list. BP calm Mind/SD, spreading Leech Seeds, using HP fire. It just has a good list of weaknesses. Suicune - Calm Mind win con? Mono-Water type has always been incredible, & with such high defenses, it can stomach quite a bit of punishment before dying. Aerodactyl - A big offensive threat should spikes be active on the field with its massive base 130 speed stat. It instantly turns momentum into your favor just by bringing it out. Isnt crapped on by Skarm because of Rock Head Double Edge. Rock STAB + Ground coverage just rocks with Flying STAB. Has stuff like Taunt to stop defensive play & force offensive progress on the opponent. It's kinda of like a high speed car that forces players to play fast just to keep up with its pace, but it's very good at playing the fast game. Metagross - Hm, for a mon with such great defensive backbone, why does this thing have such good offensive pressure? Clear Body makes its attack stat non-deductable, which means those explosions & meteor mashes HURT. Explosion is always a threat too, because it cuts defense by 50% when used, which means Banded Explosions 1v1 & can scare off mons like Swampert or Skarm that would switch into it easily. Wonder if I did a good job here, guess people in the comments will decide my fate.
@@boop53 but you gotta set it up multiple times,wouldnt it be better to send a pokemon with good attack and coverage instead?like you can take out a couple of pokemon by the time it takes to set spikes up
Seeing how good flyers and levitators were in this meta against spikes, I kind of understand now game freaks mindset when they made the cursed decision to have stealth rock use type effectiveness to determine damage. Still cursed tho.
Great video, cruel gen for our boy Crawdawnt :( Doesn't even appear in the list I assume due to Water and Dark moves being special before the physical/special split in the following gen and thus making it worthless to even condiser. But man does it do well under TR from gen 6 upwards
Yeah I dont know why dark is even special. All the moves got turned into physical moves. Crawdaunt is still kinda bad tho; in gen 4 it's significantly worse than Feraligatr, Azumarill, Kabutops and even Poliwrath, it really got a lot better with Knock + Adaptability.
@@frogwhisperer4268 Yeah, until gen 6 it couldn't really shine because of what you said. I also wish it had 65 base speed instead of the paultry 55 because then it would make slightly better use of DD. I tried it back in gen 7 alongside webs and it worked fine so long as there were no flying mons, well, flapping their wings above the webs :') or the Latis too since after a DD, jolly Crawdawnt capped at 343, eight points short of outspeeding them. Still, very threatening with CB and/or under TR and just interesting design imo :D
I'm Hosting a HUGE Gen 3 OU Tournament. And you can sign up.
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My hopes were shattered when he back slid into medikam after 20 seconds of medicham. He eludes us yet again
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Let's be real, Gen 3 meta is basically any and every pokemon.
Someday, you'll see your opponent running Muk or something and he gonna do the hardest counter to your team you'll ever see.
Fire blast, sludge bomb, toxic, momento. If dug is removed you can really annoy Skarm and Celebi, even momento to keep up momentum. Or not idk I came up with this in like 15 seconds
@@elilopez6260 watermess made a mean look curse rest sludge bomb set i think
To be honest, that sounds pretty nice, a meta where almost everyone can somehow shine if they do it well, might probably be one of the reasons why jimothy likes it so much.
Sand and spikes weak. Gonna have a hard time with muk. There’s faster explosions you would rather use Muk won’t ever be good
I always counter the opponents teams I know I know
“there are teams that rely on metagross as the solrock resist” that’s true, it’s a very effective check, resisting both stabs of such a central threat. thanks for providing this insightful commentary jim
(in all seriousness, this list is great so far and im excited to listen/watch throughout the day as i find time)
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Where is Lucario
That's Gen 4.
Brilliant query.
what about my favorite gardevoir :’)
This guy exists on another plane of existence where knowledge has no bounds and questions like this are met with commensurate astoundment and are surrounded by perplexity, rather than being answered by reading the title of a video in 2 seconds. I envy your world, my friend.
@@arisengladiatornice pfp (:
Mr. Jimothy Cool, I recently got into Gen 3 thanks to your videos, and one of the things contributing to the high skill floor of the game is the very specific EV spreads that aren't just unique to each Pokemon, but to each set on the same Pokemon. I think a video explaining how, say, a Gengar is specsed to barely live a Tyranitar Pursuit, or why a Jirachi with a speed-reducing Sassy nature might still invest 32 points into its Speed, will help new players get into the game even easier. Thanks and while I love all your videos, the Gen 3 ones are my favorite because it's such a cool metagame.
What I love most about Gen 3 meta is how many Pokemon are viable, the power creep doesn't feel all that apparent in the format and there's the right about of defense and offense. I love all the niches a lot of Pokemon can have. Even something as lonely as Glalie has a use as an excellent spikes abusers and users of explosion.
And then you listen to bkc go "spikes restrictive", "this team inconsistent", "every team needs a x switch in". And I'm like "yep top players def see the game very differently"
I agree with you, Surgemaster.
Same goes for Gen 4 (Ariados, Froslass, Glalie, Kabutops, Magneton, Nidoqueen, Porygon2, Qwilfish) Most of the PkMN listed have use in UBERS btw
Unfortunately (thanks to this channel and other ignorance) DPP will from now on only be remembered for... Stealth Rock? Wow.
Edit: Gen 4 not Gen 5
Gen 5 is veeery different from the SUPERIOR Gen 3 and Gen 4
Quiver Dance, Tail Glow, Gems, Rotom-"Appliances", Kyurem-B in OU and sooo much power creep that Gen 5's UU looks like Gen 3 and Gen 4 OU
Btw people should really try out Gen 4 Ubers and especially DPP UU and NU, the lower tiers in Gen 4 are so much fun to play if OU isn't for you
Gen 4 just like Gen 3 is so damn versatile, every Mon has like 30 different sets and uses and every Mon has a niche (or many)
I prefer Gen 3 and 4 over the oldest Gens (not enough stuff and versatility, kinda boring and either 100 turns long or extremely hyper offensive like Gen 1 for example) and newer Gens from about Gen 5 or 6 onwards up to Gen 9 (power creep and other balance issues)
Is Crobat useable at all?
having the entire tier list setup before you start the video is huge.
wish everyone did this.
Crazy what Speed Boost does to a mon’s viability
Same with Arena Trap Dugtrio ( Arena Trap got banned and now its ZU )
@AI-Dreigon is that a tier below PU but above untiered?
Yes
@@RagnellrokUntiered = ZU
Ninjask nowhere to be seen…
this is the bedtime content i've been needing in my life, thank you jimothy
Gen 3 OU is so fun. You'll think you have a stable team against the meta and then some chad walks in with some crazy ass like Choice Band Tentacruel and absolutely ruins you and you realize that literally everything is viable if you work hard enough
Started playing after finding you about a week ago and it's the most I've enjoyed Pokemon in a while. I've been using a meta-check team with pull magneton and trace p2, metagross, suicune, celebi, and belly zard.
I love how it feels like every game, I have the tools to win. It really feels like it's determined by who is making the better plays
Bold of you to suggest that the objective best Pokemon of all time, Elemental Punching Hitmonchan, is not at least B tier. I used it in my in-game playthrough once and it only died all the time.
appreciate all you do to hype up gen 3, it’s entertaining content and makes me consider picking ADV back up again. cheers jim
I have returned to mention that wailord is walled by polytoed
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"Im sorry in ADV"
I've just gotten into Gen 3 and would love more teams and team styles to try so more content is appreciated! Only now hearing about superman, interested to try it!
Also a video on leads and the meta for what to expect would be interesting! Although I've started to modify teams myself, I usually just lead with whatever pokemon I got in the pokepaste by default without much thought beyond that
th-cam.com/video/BkvCZ18ySWE/w-d-xo.html
I have this old vid where I share some good beginner teams.
I also built a new Zapdos TSS team recently that I think would be a good choice for a beginner learning the fundamentals:
pokepast.es/51ba1a85303daa0d
In this old vid I talk about what TSS is (The most central team style in the game) and why it's good:
th-cam.com/video/kMRnd0Mllf8/w-d-xo.html
I do plan to do a vid about lead matchups in the future!
@jimothycool Thank you so much Jimothy, Big Fan! Will check these out
What a treat, listening to this while I’m at work. Thanks for uploading
I'm surprised you left Espeon unranked considering you got good use out of it in the BL challenge vids
now that we have been gifted a tier list we need some jim cool gaming vids to empirically verify it
Before even starting I LOVE how specific the tiers are and how many there are lol. There really can be that many distinct tiers in some games
Love the gen 3 vids mate, i can't find very many people out there that do content on it even though it's such a brilliant generation
I fell asleep while watching this and had a dream that my therapist got bored and derailed my session to discuss offensive vs defensive starmie in excruciating detail with me
Mr Jimothy, it would make me a very happy man if you could explain the general state of many past gen tier lists to me, such as those from 1-6. In return, I would like to offer you this wonderful comment and a subscription.
I have been messing around with sp def magneton recently in line with what you were saying about it being dead weight a lot of the time. Thunderbolt, hp ice, rest, sleep talk. Running with rapid spin support because it's less reliable limiting skarm's spikes. It has a surprising amount of utility in responding to zapdos, screening blissey from gengar explosion etc. (it straight up walls gengar without fire punch). It's exploitable sure but I find I get more use out of it in most matchups than regular mag.
I wonder if there's a case to be made for using both Chansey and Blissey, the idea being that you play a bit fast and lose with blissey potentially losing it, which then makes your opponent play fast and lose with their physical attackers, and then once all the Pokemon that could deal with Blissey are worn down, you hit them with the diet Blissey.
I'm not saying it's good, just saying with how wild some Pokemon choices have been at the higher levels of gen 3 OU, I wouldn't be surprised if this idea has already been experimented with.
That's actually super cool. The Bliss wears them down, so that they have no Chans.
Awesome to see the format is so varied! Honestly i think you've finally broke me into giving it a go, might swing something with heracross - cool pokemon i've never used.
Where is aggron :( you did a whole vid on his niche in gen 3 OU and now he is nowhere to be seen
Trying out Dragonite and a defensive set wth Heal Bell + Ice Beam + Fire Blast + Toxic works great on superman
that sounds cool as hell
Great vid, and thanks for contributing to the wonderful Gen 3 community ❤❤
Been loving your gen 3 content. My partner has been away on a work trip for like a month and a half and I've been devouring your ADV streams lol
What do you mean Swampert can't just easily terra poison against HP Grass?
Tera Grass is way better. Tera poison makes it weak to Tyranitar's Earthquake
@@spiciestbirbbut Tera poison makes swampert resist Hitmontop’s fighting stab
Where would Iron Mugulis fit in this tier list?
Dug weak E-
Oh damn Jimothy! I never knew you were into Gen 3 OU!
This wont stop me from using ampharos in every gen
I've tried it, funny Pokemon. It can Focus Punch vs Blissey which is decent
Very informative video thank u Jim. Ur content made me start playing Gen 3 OU and it is very fun
Did you not rank da bug (ninjask) out of spite (valid), or do you not think it is a viable option? I think ninjask is still quite solid on cheesy teams.
That evil bug doesn’t even deserve a discussion
New Jim Cool ADV tier list? Excellent
So many pokemon you've showcased are basically "top tier pokemon except it trades a bunch of things just to get one unique thing." Like Sableye and Lunatone.
As fun as those videos are, taking a look at all the top tiers together really helps put into perspective what you're giving up.
There are only so many (useful) roles a pokemon can fill (without an extra gimmick)
Listened to this at the gym today love the Gen 3 content
Drinking game: take a shot every time Jimothy says "consistent" or "inconsistent". (Great vid btw, I'm picking up this format recently)
Why both blazeekn and regice under dusclopse ?
Yes ik they do diffrent things but still those 2 are leagues above dusclopse imo
Ever tried Umbreon with curse, baton pass, taunt and wish? I've had pretty consistent results with it by passing those curse stat boosts on to either Snorlax or White Herb Aerodactyl...(and making Umbreon use taunt everytime you expect a roar, and not being punished to hard if you mispredict because of its massive bulk on both the physical and special side).
The benefits of Aerodactyl not being locked into one move by choice band is pretty significant.
Honestly Lanturn should be in D instead of bottom tier. It has a really silly and legit niche in the metagame. Great defensive attributes with only weaknesses to grass and ground and an immunity to electric via volt absorb. It’s definitely not standard but it does have a little bit of merit. It’s the only bulky bolt beam resist in the entire game and has unique and legitimate qualities that no other Pokémon have. It is not without flaw but it is definitely a useable Pokémon. BKC has an entire video dedicated to ADV Lanturn, worth a watch
I like the sub/hydro/tbolt/icebeam set with SpA investment.
Simply switch it in on a free turn or smth weak to water/electric, sub up as the opponent switches, and fire attacks.
I got pretty high rank during gen 5 a loooooong time ago with lanturn. Crazy how such a silly looking Pokémon can do so much work. I wish I remembered why I used it other than being amazing at dealing with the OP rain teams at the time.
I would argue Blissey and Regice could be said to be bulky bolt beam resists. Lanturn functions almost the same as Regice, with the downside of being completely removed by dugtrio. It has some merit, but I do think it is very bad.
Looking at Jim's list though, I would say that it's better than Mantine, Quagsire and Wailord. Cradily is also better than many mons in the tier above imo.
@@DantinozMC definitely agree Dugtrio weakness is brutal. That’s its biggest problem. Definitely a rogue pick to keep in mind though, might be a good bring once in a while. Really needs something to eliminate/deal with dug tho
@@thekrampusclaus4148 Substitute when you expect a counter to switch in
Wasn't for Craydilly and Clef used in the champions team for journey across America?
Did I miss something or sharpedo isnt there? Any reason he isnt in the "wouldnt use it in a game" tier?
The longest JimothyCool video ever? Count me in
I’m a bit confused, why isn’t Lickitung on this list??
been binging the hell out of your content so seeing this just uploaded is absolutely fire, keep it up!
While I was watching this I started to wonder if it’s possible to make a good competitive team out of only flying/levitating pokemon so that you’re completely immune to spikes and can just ignore them. If the opponent starts setting up spikes before they know your gimmick then they’re basically giving you free turns and you never have to waste time removing them.
He mentions a team style at 43:04 called Superman that is basically just this concept.
Also at 1:06:30 while discussing flygon
lanturn and lunatone not officially in the tier list is very sad
This is an amazing vid as always, now I’m inspired to make some new teams with some weird mons.
15:50 M E N C E 🖤
nice Old Money badge. Thanks for the support.
Tyranitar, Skarmory, Zapdos, Swampert, Blissey, Gengar. The gentleman’s choice.
anywhere to get info on trapinch?
Little Cup.
I love Yama, but I need to figure him out more. I know breloom and heracross immediately die to a Skarm drill peck, but Yama doesn't take it well either. Yama feels hard to capitalize on for me; yes, his traits are cool but they're geared for longer games. Definitely prefer Breloom's immediate utility and pseudo DDTar and aero checking abilities with mach punch.
And a late game heracross is the scariest thing in the tier. Nothing is so explosive as it. Love the fighters
I fully thought you were talking about Yanma
Normal Hariyama sets with def investment take about 40-46% damage from an uninvested Skarm DP, so Wish support is key here
just got into gen 3 and it's rly refreshing after coming from gen 9. miss being able to use my favorite guys and have them be viable!
Great list and insight! I just noticed that Ninjask isn't on the list, is it really considered that unviable now that baton pass got nerfed?
Nah Ninjask is decent but I don't respect it and think its pure cheese. Kinda hard to rank for that reason. Some matchups it auto wins, some it auto loses
I’d love for you to make a video on the who is number 1 debate between skarmory and tyranitar
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I thought he got the spdef boost lol. I always switch him in vs. magnemite
Mr. Jimothy, big fan. I've been binging your ADV content lately. Wondering which set of 6 forms the best Superman team to you? I'm trying to cover all my bases, but it's hard to find the perfect 6.
Superman almost always has some defensive flaws due to the nature of the team. It often struggles with Swampert and boltbeam coverage.
I quite like: Ttar, Blissey, Skarm, Gengar, Flygon, Aero.
Aero makes up for some of the defensive flaws. You kinda want fire coverage on Flygon (for skarm) and Grass coverage on Gengar tho (for pert). Play standard TSS style until aero cleans.
seems like a pretty solid list to me, pretty much my only objection is not having slaking in the mid tiers. i would much rather use slaking than anything in c tier, and i'd probably squeeze it in between kingdra and venusaur. also this is minor but i disagree with the idea that gyarados needs dd, i use a 3 attack twave set and i find it very versatile and useful. the meta centers around ttar/aero and standard special threats, and standard defensive cores focus on checking those, which means less common threats tend to ruin your day and gyara can improve your matchup into all of them while also threatening the common defensive cores itself. it checks swampert, suicune, zard/molt, heracross, medicham, metagross, most blisseys, and the vast majority of mixed threats, while disrupting your opponent with twave to support its teammates, and threatening huge damage with hp flying/rock, eq and double edge
Where would you put swellow? It's situational but guts+choice band can really punish the opponent, and guarantees a ko against offensive tyranitar with hp fighting
something that immediately jumps out at me is...
i did not know that venusaur is this viable
Been finding a lot of success with venusaur recently. Very fast sleep + leech seed + checking zapdos in one mon is very nice. Need to pair with spikes tho imo.
I'm not new to Pokemon, but I'm new to gen 3. Could you suggest a team that's solid but not too predictable? Difficulty to pilot is not an issue. I just want something good to learn the format with.
Try out this Zapdos TSS
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Mister Cool, what is your opinion on Ninjask in the gen 3 OU format?
Multi hour tier list video, you are becoming the Otzdarva of Pokemon
Dodrio is S+ tier. I will not elaborate further.
whats the blue trapinch for at the bottom
What moves/Evs should you use for zapdos
Depends on the team, 120 spdef lives a +1 cune beam in sand. 216 hp lives that and a +1 mence slide (and a +0 ttar slide)
280 speed beats molt, 328 is max, 300 is fine, 308 is fine, 244 for bulky sets. Rest in spatk to pump damage as much as possible.
From my (very limited) experience, I get TONS of mileage out of destiny bond speedy gengar. He has tbolt and fire punch willowisp to do what he can, and once he has less than 1/3 hp he can take away whatever I don't have an answer for
My friend beats me every single time with annhilape and dragapult and flutter mane. Cant find any solutions
My fave jirachi set when i was playing gen 3 ou was sub+cm+fire punch+hp grass with max hp/speed investment, if you can get rid of their strong physical attackers the little guy can absolutely slaughter after a few cm
Is there a dug build that counters a full health blissey?
When is the next tier list coming out fam?
Love the gen 3 beginner friendly content
since aggron my beloved is absent from this list, it is with with a heavy heart that i must return to my home of gen 4 uu
head smash 'em up
Considering that Iron Mugulis has the ability to time travel shouldn’t it be on this list?
Is Gardevoir not used in OU in Gen 3?
Could you arguably just run your top 6 as a team in gen 3 OU?
Love the vid! any chances of we getting one of these but for gen 7 (but no listing megas 😊)
Rest Zapdos is so fun to use. Just sits in front of so many mons while they waste all of their PP away
Is gen 3 ou popular? Id love to play this gen because so many of my fave pokemons(salamence, milotic, metagross) are apparently viable
bkc wishes he could produce content at this level of quality and be as engaging as you
i think bkc maybe more knowledgeable but jim is a much better entertainer. Plus seeing the dudes face adds more expression to everything
honestly i think people should maybe try and explore more bulky cloysters and not care about hitting that 244 speed as much. another thing that sucks about it is that swampert can just focus punch it when it makes a spike, killing it if it switched in on a hydro pump
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I don’t believe in S+ I think S should be the highest tier. If that means being meaner to lower down Pokémon then so be it.
I wonder how a 2023 RSE OU list compares to a 2003 RSE OU list
Altria pretty good on Superman with spdef, heal bell, and natural cure for rest sleep
Havent touched Gen 3 OU, but let me see if I can understand the reasoning behind some of the placements before I watch the vid
Tyranitar - Sand Stream chips away most of the metagame & negates leftovers & stacks with spikes damage. Ddance sets, mixed sets, bulky sets, pursuit mindgames, Toxic, & just being an unpredictable mon that deals the most passive damage in the OU format via sand stream chip. Has 6 weakness & 6 resists, but it's not banworthy.
Skarm - Uh... Spikes is absurd on a mon with NO physical damage weaknesses. Pressures grounded mons & is immune to Steel's annoying ground weakness, which helps it go a long way. Can blanket special hits with sp.Def investment.
Swampert - Crazy typing. Amazing stat spread means it can kinda do what it wants & it has a good movepool. Being immune to Electric & sand stream chip goes a long way. One of the better answers to the BoltBeam combo
Salamence - Let me guess... insane mixed attacking potential? Intimidate cheats lol. Wish + intimidate is very good. Has Ddance, but needs support.
Gengar - Levitate is always powerful. Is it an assassin? Coming in on immune hits & clicking a fat coverage move or explosion? Perish Song get any use? Will-o doing 12% & busting physical attackers pretty much gives gengar surprisingly good defensive utility for such a fragile mon. Being ghost also means you block Rapid Spin & explosion, which is very solid for something fast & deadly.
Dugtrio - Pretty much THE trapper courtesy of Arena Trap, which turns its base 120 speed into checkmate positions.
Zapdos - Being a ground immune electric + a flying type no weak to Electric coverage goes a long way. It's always been annoying both offensively & defensively. I imagine baton pass & toxic punish mons in the format it must have issues with, whereas in later gens, it's an annoying status monster spamming discharge for para hax, toxic bs, & just being annoying to remove.
Magneton - Removes Skarm & exists to pressure opposing teams with electric + HP of choice coverage right? Electric/Steel is a broken typing, so i can see even that niche being so invaluable. Having the largest amount of resists is never a bad thing either.
Blissey - Shits on 90% of special attacking moves unless you have SubCalm. Can blanket physical moves because powercreep isnt out of the park yet. Natural Cure + instant recovery make it hard to wear down. Spreads status & is a good status absorber with a read.
Let me try some more obscure ones. Hm... Medicham - Extremely physically overpowering with good predictions & momentum. Has a small amount of truly safe switch-ins. Makes you feel like a psychic type when you read your opponent well, but it's hard to get the fear factor in your opponent.
Celebi - Before its movepool got enhanced (giving it severe 4 moveslot syndrome), I am guessing Leech Seed + 3 attacks or some kind of boosting with Calm Mind? It makes Swampert sweat & is a fantastic partner for Magneton (going off of my gen 4 exp here). Looks to be one of the best enablers in the list. BP calm Mind/SD, spreading Leech Seeds, using HP fire. It just has a good list of weaknesses.
Suicune - Calm Mind win con? Mono-Water type has always been incredible, & with such high defenses, it can stomach quite a bit of punishment before dying.
Aerodactyl - A big offensive threat should spikes be active on the field with its massive base 130 speed stat. It instantly turns momentum into your favor just by bringing it out. Isnt crapped on by Skarm because of Rock Head Double Edge. Rock STAB + Ground coverage just rocks with Flying STAB. Has stuff like Taunt to stop defensive play & force offensive progress on the opponent. It's kinda of like a high speed car that forces players to play fast just to keep up with its pace, but it's very good at playing the fast game.
Metagross - Hm, for a mon with such great defensive backbone, why does this thing have such good offensive pressure? Clear Body makes its attack stat non-deductable, which means those explosions & meteor mashes HURT. Explosion is always a threat too, because it cuts defense by 50% when used, which means Banded Explosions 1v1 & can scare off mons like Swampert or Skarm that would switch into it easily.
Wonder if I did a good job here, guess people in the comments will decide my fate.
i get toxic and sandstorm are spikes really THAT good in gen 3?
definitely, a blissey or a swampert is much easier to break if its taking 25% every time i tries to switch in
@@boop53 but you gotta set it up multiple times,wouldnt it be better to send a pokemon with good attack and coverage instead?like you can take out a couple of pokemon by the time it takes to set spikes up
Seeing how good flyers and levitators were in this meta against spikes, I kind of understand now game freaks mindset when they made the cursed decision to have stealth rock use type effectiveness to determine damage. Still cursed tho.
No comment on lanturn 😢😢
I have been testing Cradily and it's good.
yep. sand immune recover. if it had leech would honestly be firmly ou
I like to use Barrier and Mirror Coat on this guy
Where is Walrein?😢
Great video, cruel gen for our boy Crawdawnt :( Doesn't even appear in the list I assume due to Water and Dark moves being special before the physical/special split in the following gen and thus making it worthless to even condiser. But man does it do well under TR from gen 6 upwards
Yeah I dont know why dark is even special. All the moves got turned into physical moves. Crawdaunt is still kinda bad tho; in gen 4 it's significantly worse than Feraligatr, Azumarill, Kabutops and even Poliwrath, it really got a lot better with Knock + Adaptability.
@@frogwhisperer4268 Yeah, until gen 6 it couldn't really shine because of what you said. I also wish it had 65 base speed instead of the paultry 55 because then it would make slightly better use of DD. I tried it back in gen 7 alongside webs and it worked fine so long as there were no flying mons, well, flapping their wings above the webs :') or the Latis too since after a DD, jolly Crawdawnt capped at 343, eight points short of outspeeding them. Still, very threatening with CB and/or under TR and just interesting design imo :D
the best pokemon in the meta has scoliosis? this doesn’t seem possible.
Meanwhile, I dont know why but smogon gen 3 ranking in recent years only have like 15 or 20 pokemon in S&A&B tier. Every thing is in C, D, E tier
TIERLIST LET'S FUCKING GO
He pronounces baton the way i did when i was a kid, oh the memories