Gen 3 OU Tier List - August 2023
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- Pokemon Competitive Singles in Gen 3 sure is awesome. In this video I rank the viability of all relevant Pokemon in the metagame.
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0:00 Intro
1:11 Tyranitar
3:02 Skarmory
4:59 Zapdos
8:47 Swampert
12:43 Blissey
15:50 Salamence
19:48 Metagross
23:05 Gengar
26:38 Dugtrio
29:07 Claydol
31:15 Celebi
34:26 Suicune
37:37 Jirachi
40:29 Aerodactyl
43:52 Magneton
46:08 Starmie
47:59 Milotic
51:00 Moltres
53:31 Charizard
56:44 Gyarados
1:00:11 Heracross
1:02:00 Forretress
1:06:12 Flygon
1:09:15 Snorlax
1:12:37 Hariyama
1:15:55 Jolteon
1:18:21 Porygon2
1:20:23 Breloom
1:22:55 Smeargle
1:26:39 Cloyster
1:30:06 Vaporeon
1:35:17 Medicham
1:38:02 Kingdra
1:40:13 Venusaur
1:43:30 Dusclops
1:45:12 Weezing
1:47:40 Glalie
1:50:29 Machamp
1:51:12 Regice
1:53:40 Regirock
1:55:08 Blaziken
1:56:29 Ludicolo
1:58:27 Steelix
2:00:06 Articuno
2:01:59 Misdreavus
2:03:36 Raikou
2:05:18 Armaldo
2:07:09 Jynx
2:08:44 Houndoom
2:10:39 Dragonite
2:11:55 Registeel
2:13:06 Jumpluff
2:14:24 Marowak
2:16:02 Camerupt
2:17:00 Donphan
2:18:25 Alakazam
2:19:03 Sceptile
2:20:36 Banette
2:22:56 Arcanine
2:23:46 Miltank
2:25:18 Wailord
2:26:30 Exeggutor
2:28:04 Roselia
2:30:16 Entei
2:31:18 Quagsire
2:32:33 Rhydon
2:34:07 Sableye
2:35:38 Mantine
2:37:11 Umbreon
2:40:13 Outro
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My hopes were shattered when he back slid into medikam after 20 seconds of medicham. He eludes us yet again
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I always think he’s taking about a person
Let's be real, Gen 3 meta is basically any and every pokemon.
Someday, you'll see your opponent running Muk or something and he gonna do the hardest counter to your team you'll ever see.
Fire blast, sludge bomb, toxic, momento. If dug is removed you can really annoy Skarm and Celebi, even momento to keep up momentum. Or not idk I came up with this in like 15 seconds
@@elilopez6260 watermess made a mean look curse rest sludge bomb set i think
To be honest, that sounds pretty nice, a meta where almost everyone can somehow shine if they do it well, might probably be one of the reasons why jimothy likes it so much.
Sand and spikes weak. Gonna have a hard time with muk. There’s faster explosions you would rather use Muk won’t ever be good
I always counter the opponents teams I know I know
“there are teams that rely on metagross as the solrock resist” that’s true, it’s a very effective check, resisting both stabs of such a central threat. thanks for providing this insightful commentary jim
(in all seriousness, this list is great so far and im excited to listen/watch throughout the day as i find time)
( 21:43 )
What I love most about Gen 3 meta is how many Pokemon are viable, the power creep doesn't feel all that apparent in the format and there's the right about of defense and offense. I love all the niches a lot of Pokemon can have. Even something as lonely as Glalie has a use as an excellent spikes abusers and users of explosion.
And then you listen to bkc go "spikes restrictive", "this team inconsistent", "every team needs a x switch in". And I'm like "yep top players def see the game very differently"
I agree with you, Surgemaster.
Crazy what Speed Boost does to a mon’s viability
Same with Arena Trap Dugtrio ( Arena Trap got banned and now its ZU )
@AI-Dreigon is that a tier below PU but above untiered?
Yes
@@RagnellrokUntiered = ZU
Ninjask nowhere to be seen…
Mr. Jimothy Cool, I recently got into Gen 3 thanks to your videos, and one of the things contributing to the high skill floor of the game is the very specific EV spreads that aren't just unique to each Pokemon, but to each set on the same Pokemon. I think a video explaining how, say, a Gengar is specsed to barely live a Tyranitar Pursuit, or why a Jirachi with a speed-reducing Sassy nature might still invest 32 points into its Speed, will help new players get into the game even easier. Thanks and while I love all your videos, the Gen 3 ones are my favorite because it's such a cool metagame.
Where is Lucario
That's Gen 4.
Brilliant query.
what about my favorite gardevoir :’)
This guy exists on another plane of existence where knowledge has no bounds and questions like this are met with commensurate astoundment and are surrounded by perplexity, rather than being answered by reading the title of a video in 2 seconds. I envy your world, my friend.
@@arisengladiatornice pfp (:
having the entire tier list setup before you start the video is huge.
wish everyone did this.
this is the bedtime content i've been needing in my life, thank you jimothy
The Roselia segment was really something for me.
Back in the day I remember trying to use one in OU just because I liked it aesthetically and got pubestomped, and it was so fun to discover so many years later it has some uses that I obviously never understood. Might come back to play RSE now thanks to your videos!
Gen 3 OU is so fun. You'll think you have a stable team against the meta and then some chad walks in with some crazy ass like Choice Band Tentacruel and absolutely ruins you and you realize that literally everything is viable if you work hard enough
I fell asleep while watching this and had a dream that my therapist got bored and derailed my session to discuss offensive vs defensive starmie in excruciating detail with me
Started playing after finding you about a week ago and it's the most I've enjoyed Pokemon in a while. I've been using a meta-check team with pull magneton and trace p2, metagross, suicune, celebi, and belly zard.
I love how it feels like every game, I have the tools to win. It really feels like it's determined by who is making the better plays
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"Im sorry in ADV"
I've just gotten into Gen 3 and would love more teams and team styles to try so more content is appreciated! Only now hearing about superman, interested to try it!
Also a video on leads and the meta for what to expect would be interesting! Although I've started to modify teams myself, I usually just lead with whatever pokemon I got in the pokepaste by default without much thought beyond that
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I have this old vid where I share some good beginner teams.
I also built a new Zapdos TSS team recently that I think would be a good choice for a beginner learning the fundamentals:
pokepast.es/51ba1a85303daa0d
In this old vid I talk about what TSS is (The most central team style in the game) and why it's good:
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I do plan to do a vid about lead matchups in the future!
@jimothycool Thank you so much Jimothy, Big Fan! Will check these out
Bold of you to suggest that the objective best Pokemon of all time, Elemental Punching Hitmonchan, is not at least B tier. I used it in my in-game playthrough once and it only died all the time.
now that we have been gifted a tier list we need some jim cool gaming vids to empirically verify it
appreciate all you do to hype up gen 3, it’s entertaining content and makes me consider picking ADV back up again. cheers jim
Mr Jimothy, it would make me a very happy man if you could explain the general state of many past gen tier lists to me, such as those from 1-6. In return, I would like to offer you this wonderful comment and a subscription.
I have returned to mention that wailord is walled by polytoed
What a treat, listening to this while I’m at work. Thanks for uploading
Before even starting I LOVE how specific the tiers are and how many there are lol. There really can be that many distinct tiers in some games
Awesome to see the format is so varied! Honestly i think you've finally broke me into giving it a go, might swing something with heracross - cool pokemon i've never used.
I'm surprised you left Espeon unranked considering you got good use out of it in the BL challenge vids
Love the gen 3 vids mate, i can't find very many people out there that do content on it even though it's such a brilliant generation
This wont stop me from using ampharos in every gen
I've tried it, funny Pokemon. It can Focus Punch vs Blissey which is decent
Very informative video thank u Jim. Ur content made me start playing Gen 3 OU and it is very fun
I have been messing around with sp def magneton recently in line with what you were saying about it being dead weight a lot of the time. Thunderbolt, hp ice, rest, sleep talk. Running with rapid spin support because it's less reliable limiting skarm's spikes. It has a surprising amount of utility in responding to zapdos, screening blissey from gengar explosion etc. (it straight up walls gengar without fire punch). It's exploitable sure but I find I get more use out of it in most matchups than regular mag.
Great vid, and thanks for contributing to the wonderful Gen 3 community ❤❤
Been loving your gen 3 content. My partner has been away on a work trip for like a month and a half and I've been devouring your ADV streams lol
Oh damn Jimothy! I never knew you were into Gen 3 OU!
I wonder if there's a case to be made for using both Chansey and Blissey, the idea being that you play a bit fast and lose with blissey potentially losing it, which then makes your opponent play fast and lose with their physical attackers, and then once all the Pokemon that could deal with Blissey are worn down, you hit them with the diet Blissey.
I'm not saying it's good, just saying with how wild some Pokemon choices have been at the higher levels of gen 3 OU, I wouldn't be surprised if this idea has already been experimented with.
That's actually super cool. The Bliss wears them down, so that they have no Chans.
So many pokemon you've showcased are basically "top tier pokemon except it trades a bunch of things just to get one unique thing." Like Sableye and Lunatone.
As fun as those videos are, taking a look at all the top tiers together really helps put into perspective what you're giving up.
This is an amazing vid as always, now I’m inspired to make some new teams with some weird mons.
Mr. Jimothy, big fan. I've been binging your ADV content lately. Wondering which set of 6 forms the best Superman team to you? I'm trying to cover all my bases, but it's hard to find the perfect 6.
Superman almost always has some defensive flaws due to the nature of the team. It often struggles with Swampert and boltbeam coverage.
I quite like: Ttar, Blissey, Skarm, Gengar, Flygon, Aero.
Aero makes up for some of the defensive flaws. You kinda want fire coverage on Flygon (for skarm) and Grass coverage on Gengar tho (for pert). Play standard TSS style until aero cleans.
New Jim Cool ADV tier list? Excellent
Listened to this at the gym today love the Gen 3 content
What do you mean Swampert can't just easily terra poison against HP Grass?
Tera Grass is way better. Tera poison makes it weak to Tyranitar's Earthquake
@@spiciestbirbbut Tera poison makes swampert resist Hitmontop’s fighting stab
Love the vid! any chances of we getting one of these but for gen 7 (but no listing megas 😊)
Trying out Dragonite and a defensive set wth Heal Bell + Ice Beam + Fire Blast + Toxic works great on superman
that sounds cool as hell
bro think he's [multiscale] 😂😂😂
this sucks im sorry
15:50 M E N C E 🖤
nice Old Money badge. Thanks for the support.
The longest JimothyCool video ever? Count me in
Tier list videos flow a lot better when started from lowest-highest. Enjoying the content tho!
Great list and insight! I just noticed that Ninjask isn't on the list, is it really considered that unviable now that baton pass got nerfed?
Nah Ninjask is decent but I don't respect it and think its pure cheese. Kinda hard to rank for that reason. Some matchups it auto wins, some it auto loses
just got into gen 3 and it's rly refreshing after coming from gen 9. miss being able to use my favorite guys and have them be viable!
Mister Cool, what is your opinion on Ninjask in the gen 3 OU format?
Love the gen 3 beginner friendly content
Where would Iron Mugulis fit in this tier list?
Dug weak E-
been binging the hell out of your content so seeing this just uploaded is absolutely fire, keep it up!
Multi hour tier list video, you are becoming the Otzdarva of Pokemon
Did you not rank da bug (ninjask) out of spite (valid), or do you not think it is a viable option? I think ninjask is still quite solid on cheesy teams.
That evil bug doesn’t even deserve a discussion
anywhere to get info on trapinch?
Honestly Lanturn should be in D instead of bottom tier. It has a really silly and legit niche in the metagame. Great defensive attributes with only weaknesses to grass and ground and an immunity to electric via volt absorb. It’s definitely not standard but it does have a little bit of merit. It’s the only bulky bolt beam resist in the entire game and has unique and legitimate qualities that no other Pokémon have. It is not without flaw but it is definitely a useable Pokémon. BKC has an entire video dedicated to ADV Lanturn, worth a watch
I like the sub/hydro/tbolt/icebeam set with SpA investment.
Simply switch it in on a free turn or smth weak to water/electric, sub up as the opponent switches, and fire attacks.
I got pretty high rank during gen 5 a loooooong time ago with lanturn. Crazy how such a silly looking Pokémon can do so much work. I wish I remembered why I used it other than being amazing at dealing with the OP rain teams at the time.
I would argue Blissey and Regice could be said to be bulky bolt beam resists. Lanturn functions almost the same as Regice, with the downside of being completely removed by dugtrio. It has some merit, but I do think it is very bad.
Looking at Jim's list though, I would say that it's better than Mantine, Quagsire and Wailord. Cradily is also better than many mons in the tier above imo.
@@DantinozMC definitely agree Dugtrio weakness is brutal. That’s its biggest problem. Definitely a rogue pick to keep in mind though, might be a good bring once in a while. Really needs something to eliminate/deal with dug tho
@@thekrampusclaus4148 Substitute when you expect a counter to switch in
Drinking game: take a shot every time Jimothy says "consistent" or "inconsistent". (Great vid btw, I'm picking up this format recently)
It’s crazy how of all pokémon here, only 3 are still OU
My fave jirachi set when i was playing gen 3 ou was sub+cm+fire punch+hp grass with max hp/speed investment, if you can get rid of their strong physical attackers the little guy can absolutely slaughter after a few cm
I'm not new to Pokemon, but I'm new to gen 3. Could you suggest a team that's solid but not too predictable? Difficulty to pilot is not an issue. I just want something good to learn the format with.
Try out this Zapdos TSS
pokepast.es/8a0f337164f00d5b
Wasn't for Craydilly and Clef used in the champions team for journey across America?
I’d love for you to make a video on the who is number 1 debate between skarmory and tyranitar
Tyranitar, Skarmory, Zapdos, Swampert, Blissey, Gengar. The gentleman’s choice.
whats the blue trapinch for at the bottom
Is gen 3 ou popular? Id love to play this gen because so many of my fave pokemons(salamence, milotic, metagross) are apparently viable
Did I miss something or sharpedo isnt there? Any reason he isnt in the "wouldnt use it in a game" tier?
Altria pretty good on Superman with spdef, heal bell, and natural cure for rest sleep
Mpalestory Music is everywhere I go haha
The Maplestory music in the bg :D
While I was watching this I started to wonder if it’s possible to make a good competitive team out of only flying/levitating pokemon so that you’re completely immune to spikes and can just ignore them. If the opponent starts setting up spikes before they know your gimmick then they’re basically giving you free turns and you never have to waste time removing them.
He mentions a team style at 43:04 called Superman that is basically just this concept.
Also at 1:06:30 while discussing flygon
seems like a pretty solid list to me, pretty much my only objection is not having slaking in the mid tiers. i would much rather use slaking than anything in c tier, and i'd probably squeeze it in between kingdra and venusaur. also this is minor but i disagree with the idea that gyarados needs dd, i use a 3 attack twave set and i find it very versatile and useful. the meta centers around ttar/aero and standard special threats, and standard defensive cores focus on checking those, which means less common threats tend to ruin your day and gyara can improve your matchup into all of them while also threatening the common defensive cores itself. it checks swampert, suicune, zard/molt, heracross, medicham, metagross, most blisseys, and the vast majority of mixed threats, while disrupting your opponent with twave to support its teammates, and threatening huge damage with hp flying/rock, eq and double edge
Is there a dug build that counters a full health blissey?
From my (very limited) experience, I get TONS of mileage out of destiny bond speedy gengar. He has tbolt and fire punch willowisp to do what he can, and once he has less than 1/3 hp he can take away whatever I don't have an answer for
I love Yama, but I need to figure him out more. I know breloom and heracross immediately die to a Skarm drill peck, but Yama doesn't take it well either. Yama feels hard to capitalize on for me; yes, his traits are cool but they're geared for longer games. Definitely prefer Breloom's immediate utility and pseudo DDTar and aero checking abilities with mach punch.
And a late game heracross is the scariest thing in the tier. Nothing is so explosive as it. Love the fighters
I fully thought you were talking about Yanma
Normal Hariyama sets with def investment take about 40-46% damage from an uninvested Skarm DP, so Wish support is key here
I’ve seen a few cool weezing teams in mushi league recently. Also I am a mantine believer.
something that immediately jumps out at me is...
i did not know that venusaur is this viable
Been finding a lot of success with venusaur recently. Very fast sleep + leech seed + checking zapdos in one mon is very nice. Need to pair with spikes tho imo.
Rest Zapdos is so fun to use. Just sits in front of so many mons while they waste all of their PP away
I’m a bit confused, why isn’t Lickitung on this list??
He pronounces baton the way i did when i was a kid, oh the memories
TIERLIST LET'S FUCKING GO
Just started Showdown this week after not playing Pokemon for about 20 years. I had no idea these games were so deep. I have been trying random battles in Gen 9 OU and am pretty overwhelmed by the amount of complexity. Where do you suggest I start? I’m only really familiar with gen 1 and 2 and vaguely familiar with gen 3.
Random battles are a good place to start since you don't have to build the teams yourself. And they have premade Standard-ish sets that you see in competitive
Check out Sample teams on the Smogon forums for whatever Gens you want to try out thats another good place to start
@@jimothycool Sounds good thank you. There is so much to learn about the mons in gen9. So many abilities and permutations for each pokemon but random battles have helped me see some of the meta strats at my level. How do you improve?
honestly i think people should maybe try and explore more bulky cloysters and not care about hitting that 244 speed as much. another thing that sucks about it is that swampert can just focus punch it when it makes a spike, killing it if it switched in on a hydro pump
You should do a video going over the ultra niche mons that you wouldn’t bring to a serious game! Clefable gang!
I’d be interested in a video about what the meta game would be like without Tyranitar. Sandstorm shapes the tier to such a degree it would seem like a different game almost.
Why both blazeekn and regice under dusclopse ?
Yes ik they do diffrent things but still those 2 are leagues above dusclopse imo
Just want to point out surprise psychic on Blissey can be fun to :)
"Swampert is targetable because HP Grass is everywhere"
Isnt HP Grass everywhere specifically BECAUSE of pert? Suffering from success
Where is aggron :( you did a whole vid on his niche in gen 3 OU and now he is nowhere to be seen
I have been testing Cradily and it's good.
yep. sand immune recover. if it had leech would honestly be firmly ou
I like to use Barrier and Mirror Coat on this guy
The disrespect of the OU titans Poliwrath and Butterfree is staggering.
Sub Salac Heracross is my favorite set in the tier
Great video, cruel gen for our boy Crawdawnt :( Doesn't even appear in the list I assume due to Water and Dark moves being special before the physical/special split in the following gen and thus making it worthless to even condiser. But man does it do well under TR from gen 6 upwards
Yeah I dont know why dark is even special. All the moves got turned into physical moves. Crawdaunt is still kinda bad tho; in gen 4 it's significantly worse than Feraligatr, Azumarill, Kabutops and even Poliwrath, it really got a lot better with Knock + Adaptability.
@@frogwhisperer4268 Yeah, until gen 6 it couldn't really shine because of what you said. I also wish it had 65 base speed instead of the paultry 55 because then it would make slightly better use of DD. I tried it back in gen 7 alongside webs and it worked fine so long as there were no flying mons, well, flapping their wings above the webs :') or the Latis too since after a DD, jolly Crawdawnt capped at 343, eight points short of outspeeding them. Still, very threatening with CB and/or under TR and just interesting design imo :D
Imagine if he made gen 9 tier list.. He blew up cuz gen 9
Imagine he made tier list for every gen OU
Imagine that.
imagine if I blew up your house....
lanturn and lunatone not officially in the tier list is very sad
Im surprised you wouldn’t use lunatone? That mon has a pretty nice niche imo.
Seeing how good flyers and levitators were in this meta against spikes, I kind of understand now game freaks mindset when they made the cursed decision to have stealth rock use type effectiveness to determine damage. Still cursed tho.
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Where would you put swellow? It's situational but guts+choice band can really punish the opponent, and guarantees a ko against offensive tyranitar with hp fighting
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Rain Dance Ludicolo is broke. The based Ludicolo set is Leech Seed as a mixed annoyance set. Good typing for special attackers with water/electric/ice, threaten out ground types, leech seed stuff, you can even sorta annoy Metagross into exploding due to resisting EQ and Mash (and being decently solid against mixed sets)
Will you recommend the use of Swift Swim teammates?
@@Imitationist no. The point is to be bulky with protect/leech seed and medium outspeed to beat other walls and slow attackers. Tbh I like giga drain and hp fire as the other two moves so you wouldn't even benefit from the water damage boost
@@NootathotepProtect is not worth running imo. In most cases the counterplay to leech seed in ADV is just to switch pokemon, so I think losing out on ice beam/rain dance/surf/giga drain is not worth the trade.
@@DantinozMC you're describing a completely different set. I'm discussing Ludicolo as a Leech Seed abuser that doesn't rely on offense beyond chip damage, and it like Sceptile and Celebi (probably the two more credible users) has plenty of ways to punish switching. Spikes and Sandstorm are a good start.
Considering that Iron Mugulis has the ability to time travel shouldn’t it be on this list?
since aggron my beloved is absent from this list, it is with with a heavy heart that i must return to my home of gen 4 uu
head smash 'em up