The fact that the parents ran, trying to flee prosecution, leaving their teenaged son to face this alone tells you all you need to know about what type of people they are. And I’m not saying the shooter deserves any type of support, empathy or understanding whatsoever, but at the end of the day he’s still their son.
I do have empathy for the son because he is a child who had clear cries for help and warning signs and his parents did not get him help, he was obviously severely mentally troubled at this point I can’t imagine how they could’ve been so Blind us to think that he was not on a course to something terrible.Of course I have more empathy for the victims of his rampage.
R.I.P. 🕊 Justin Shilling R.I.P. 🕊 Tate Myre R.I.P. 🕊 Hana St. Juliana R.I.P. 🕊 Madisyn Baldwin Godspeed to the injured; may your physical wounds heal fully and with speed. Godspeed to the parents and families of these beloved children. A worse nightmare is hard to imagine. 😔
Thank you for making these deceased known to us by name. My heart goes out to their families and friends. I cannot imagine anything worse. Death by coward
Praying for them all, how heartbreaking, & all their families, friends, much love. I’ll think of them all always. Ty for sharing their names, very honorable.💖
That gun has to be the most costly Xmas gift they've ever bought, right? It's cost the lives of 4 children, cost them their own liberty, their savings, their jobs, their reputation & their own child!!
Defense attorney: They were not running, they were going to turn themselves in. NO BS Sheriff: That's great, but we're not going to sit at the front desk tapping our fingers waiting for them. We had a warrant, we went looking. He is SPOT ON. Keeping it 100%. Otherwise, the backlash would be on the police department.
The problem is Sheriff Bouchard is a Republican......I'm getting tired of him "holding back" tears when he speaks about what a tragedy this is. When at the end of the day, he probably doesn't support gun control. He should try being one of the nurses taking care of these injuried kids while dealing with their families as well.
For the price of that Sig Sauer semi (plus ammo), these parents could have easily purchased Ethan a nice used Squire bass guitar, performance amp and encouraged him to take music/bass lessons. Ethan could have gone on to join or form a cool rock band. His social problems could have been dealt with in a peaceful, positive way. This is one out of many, many possible alternatives to buying a troubled teen a Sig Sauer semi-auto hand gun. Terrible shame the adult Crumbleys were just idiots and probably not mentally stable themselves.
Super Squirrel LOVE your comment!! We have to look past this latest tragedy in an endless series of tragedies and ask what the hell is wrong with our society? Why is it so fixated on destruction instead of creation?
Not only did they supply their child with the means of shooting up a school the second they could be charged with a crime they were fully willing to abandon their child and flee. That is pretty low.
I don't understand how parents can resist taking their child home at the schools discretion? It's not a choice, you have to take your child home. I work for a school district, that's not how it works. Why didn't the school search his locker and backpack after finding the alarming evidence they did? It doesn't make sense to me. Without doing a search they send him back to class? The school also should have called an ambulance and had the child taken to the hospital for a psychiatric exam immediately. The child should have not been able to return to school until he was cleared by doctors and receiving therapy and put on medication. Apples don't fall far from trees, the parents are unstable and needed help too. They were enablers, blind and helpless to their sons unstable behavior. Instead they bought him a gun and ammo and everyone paid the price. They even fled and left him to face this alone. All 3 have untreated mental disabilities. This whole situation is very sick and could have been prevented. The school could have prevented this by doing a thorough investigation after catching him searching for ammo in class, finding the disturbing drawing, after seeing the social media post of the gun by him and his mother which they would have found during a proper investigation, along with the loaded gun in his backpack with the extra clips. The school failed everyone. Schools have the right to send any student home, search any locker or backpack and search any student period for any suspicious behavior or contraband. Plus they have their own school liaison officer at their fingertips. The school should be prosecuted too.
I don't think the school said "you must take him home for the rest of the day" and the parents said "no" so the school just said "oh OK, I'll just send him back to class!" It seems they offered for the parents to take him and they said no. Because the school told the parents the kid had to start therapy within 48hours in order to stay in school.
The Dad only did 1 thing honorable! Calling 911 to report the gun was missing, when he realized it was probably his son shooting up school! While the Mom says, just don't get caught, & don't do it! If i had any suspicious my kid was about to shoot up a school, etc, I would call in swat & beg to try & take him alive! Probably why my kids help law enforcement, not run from it!
This seems like a sad case of two people who didn't love their son enough to make sure he and others were not in harm's way. So strange to buy him a weapon knowing he was unstable. They tried abandoning him and letting others deal with their troubled son. These are two people that should have not been able to reproduce.
Having seen a handful of incidents such as this in my life, this is the very first Sheriff that truly sounds like he knows exactly what he is talking about, knows the proper steps to take and didn't stumble at all with providing information or laying out the events. I commend him for being on point and being a true expert in his delivery and ALL his responses and information. He also didn't seem to really "blow off" any questions or withhold information.
Right?? I am almost shocked how professional and down to earth he seems. None of the antagonism with the media, straight up information, detailed, professional, emotional, and more than all of that, human. How is it that this has become such a rarity? Either way, comforting to see.
He's a Republican so he probably doesn't believe in gun control. I'm also tired of males like this portraying themselves as "heroes" when we're paying them protection money to protect us from other MEN. And I'm tired of Sheriff Bouchard "fighting back" tears. Try being a nurse like I am and taking care of these patients in the hospitals (where they CONTINUE to be critical and "code"), while dealing with the parents and their grief. WE are the ones who continue to do clean up; changing the diapers and colostomies of kids that have been shot. Dealing with a young man who will be paralyzed from the waist down from his injuries, while trying to teach him to take care of himself when he's still in denial about never being able to walk again. The dressing changes, the tubes and wires, the family's questions, etc. And I can manage not to cry in front of other people. These men are the biggest babies; they create the problem, the drama, and the danger they put us ALL in, ......then they cry when they have to respond to it.
I'd rather deal with a very obnoxious condescending member of the media, than someone who comes across as "nice" yet probaby supports policies that make it easy to get a gun.
Except that he's a Republican, so he probably doesn't believe in gun control. The nurses, like myself, who are CONTINUING to take care of injured kids like this are doing amazing work. The schoolteachers, like my sister, who don't get paid enough, yet are in danger because of a toxic MALE culture awash with guns, are also doing amazing work. I'm getting tired of these MALES that support the NRA, creating all of this drama, then bragging that they're heroes when they save us from it. Don't worry, I'm paying taxes for these Y chromosomers to protect me from other Y chromosomers. And they're getting a pension too.
When he described what the officer who is first on the scene , what they must do and ignore people who may need them , and focus on the shooter , i realize how special these people really are .
Imagine you are awakened by a knock on the door....its a police officer. You open the door, and they ask, "Are you okay"? We are working on an active matter in your area.....please stay inside, and enjoy a safe evening........and they walk away. THATS what police officers do....
That's how this department is trained. Not all police follow the same procedures. In this situation it seemed to work very well though. Maybe more should look into it.
The parents abandoned their son, knew a lot, it’s so much to wrap ones mind around. Praying for all that paid for their lives, the families, all. This is horrific.
I don't think the parents abandoned their son, and do you actually think they knew and wanted their child to go on a shooting rampage?, I know the photographer made the Crumbley family look like criminals on their mug shots, but to actually think the parents where involved with the shootings then you are easily fooled by the media
@@waryeekong1845 you serious?, what would be their motive?, so they could spend a possible 15yr plus in prison and their son spend the rest of his life behind bars, doesnt sound like a good plan too me, surely people dont believe that,
He is charge of one of the largest and the wealthiest county of Michigan. All of our professional athletes (Tigers, Lions & Pistons) probably live in Oakland county.
So tragic no matter how you look at things ..holding these parents accountable rightfully so...not only did the parents allow him to go back to class but so did certain school officials ...school officials also new that this student was unstable ...I think others also need to be accountable... praying 🙏 for all who have suffered through this horrible tragic incident....
Most of the teachers in the schools are (women) that want to TEACH; they shouldn't have to be worrying about dodging bullets. It's the fault of all these good ol' boys that want the country to continue to be awash with guns. And this Sheriff Bouchard is a Republican (I'll bet he doesn't believe in gun control). I'm also tired of males like this portraying themselves as "heroes" when we're paying them protection money to protect us from other MEN. And I'm tired of Sheriff Bouchard "fighting back" tears. Try being a nurse like I am and taking care of these patients in the hospitals (where they CONTINUE to be critical and "code"), while dealing with the parents and their grief. WE are the ones who continue to do clean up; changing the diapers and colostomies of kids that have been shot. Dealing with a young man who will be paralyzed from the waist down from his injuries, while trying to teach him to take care of himself when he's still in denial about never being able to walk again. The dressing changes, the tubes and wires, the family's questions, etc. And I can manage not to cry in front of other people. These men are the biggest babies; they create the problem, the drama, and the danger they put us ALL in, ......then they cry when they have to respond to it.
@@morgankelly9725 so do you believe that only the government and criminals should be allowed to carry/own guns? great logic! governments disarming their citizens has went so well through the course of history, right?
@@ronswanson485 I’m Canadian. Millions of gun owners here but gun deaths are not rampant like they are in the USA. America needs to figure out how to keep gun owners responsible. Nobody knocks on the door and confiscates guns here and that should not happen in your country either.
Still very early in the investigation-this isn’t like TV policing (except live PD and COPS) as in realty it takes lots of interviews, analysis and evaluation to build a effective prosecutable case. As a retired LEO, most of the gen pop has very little concept of how much work goes into even the simplest of cases, let alone one like this. And, after tons of reports, interviews, and investigation, the prosecution could still LOSE. Sure his attorney will go for insanity or similar… not that it really matters given Michigan has no Death Penalty.
It was absolutely negligent to not search the backpack. Though I don't think it rises to the level of the parents where they supplied the murderer with the weapon, knew he had the weapon (If not in his possession they at least knew he had access to it) whereas the school officials were reacting to a drawing without the foreknowledge that he was actually capable of acting on those drawings.
Why? Because he virtually insured a mistrial, or a conviction overturned at appeal, or an acquittal, or charges being dropped completely, by running off at the mouth?
@@baconbap no because he did his job in getting those scum bag parents behind bars and I just watched the defense team try to say, "we didnt know." And I saw the judge say. "No excuses" and issue that $500k bond for each worthless parent. It was wonderful. It's too bad the public didn't find them first.
@@Keepupthecardio and the judge ordered no 10% of bail. It's the whole 500k or zero bail for each. So by doing that they both should be held till trial. I'm just waiting for the gofund me to pop up to try and raise 1million to get them out...lol
@@baconbap I'm going to enjoy watching their lives crumble away, a fitting end to parents who can't even secure a fire arm. Reminds me of bad dog owners allowing their dogs to kill and hurt others without taking responsibility. People like this should be punished with... Methods.... That's all I'll say.... I can dream :)
Such as other situations in the past resulting in a horrific act. These parents will be made examples of in order to bring attention to other parents that may be following suit.
This guy needs to be touring to teach enforcement agencies how to interact with the public, and how to describe to the press how they’re doing it. An absolute perfect diamond in the rough.
There are no winners in this tragedy. We all lost. It's a loss. Going forward....concentrate on coping skills, health and well being as a foundation for this country.
Well sunnyside egg, we need to concentrate on oh I don't know GUN LAWS. Yeah, I think that would go a lot further then concentrating on, "coping skills'. Please read what you wrote again and maybe a third time as it makes zero sense. Any responsible gun owner should welcome stricter gun laws, as it protects them as well from morons with a trigger finger. But hey. a bunch of kids are dead (AGAIN) so let's just move forward and hope that coping skills and (checks back to your post) "health and well being" do the trick. No. Enough is enough.
@@michelelou of course safe and healthy gun laws. Coping skills for kids beginning in kindergarten who struggle with thoughts and emotions and end up harming others.
@@michelelou What would you propose then? What regulations and preventions are not in place that you would implement? Or do you think just saying "gun laws" means something? And I swear, if you say background checks, which already exist...
@@michelelou This case involves adults failing a child looking for help. He allowed himself to be caught looking up ammo on his phone and his mom laughed it off. He wrote about voices he was hearing and creating illustrations of violence and allowed them to be seen. Some students were worried about attending due to rumours of a shooting that could happen. He was in the office meeting with his parents 45 minutes before. His locker was not searched, which should have happened immediately when he is in that state of mind. Everyone talks about warning signs. He was waving a giant red flag and everyone ignored it. He was allowed to go back to class as the parents wanted him to stay. Lots of warning and everyone ignored it. Maybe this child will now get the help he needs. Oh, and btw, criminals don't care about gun laws. Anyone can get an illegal gun any time they want. That is the nature of life in the USA. Gun laws would not have changed this outcome.
its pretty much impossible to prove intentions. Maybe they were hiding. maybe they were running. We cant say that they are lying about their intentions, as we cant read their minds, but maybe through questioning, we can get some more clear understanding. As for now, we can agree that their decision was childish and wrong. but yeah, it seems as if they were hiding and running.
@@THETITANSFOREVER Sheriff said they had help. Almost sounds like they used non-standard methods to locate them. Lol, they said the tipster ran off....yeah right!
The sad fact is that the vast majority of officers are fantastic. It just takes a few hundred out of the thousands and thousands of great police officers across the country to give all of police departments a bad name.
I agree. He’s done a great job under the spotlight. Also I have a few friends in law enforcement and I have known them before they became “cops” and it’s not easy watching them struggle at times. Hopefully they will continue to grow and become as admired as this sheriff. I appreciate your comments and I WILL pass it along. :-)
@@morgankelly9725 would you shut up about this you imbecile. You've posted this 10 other times. F your politics. F his politics. Get a perspective you obnoxious fool.
What an Incredible Model by these officers for this nation, on how to appropriately manage an active shooter situation and its Fall-Out! These law enforcement teams should be held in the highest regard, and are to be commended for their training, collaborative team work, selflessness and ability to manage a literal moment by moment, life & death situation. These officers deserve the Very Highest recognition for their bravery. I hope they will always remember “18” lives were saved that day because of them. Hats off to you all. Many will be home for Christmas because of YOU.
Most of the teachers in the schools are (women), like my sister, who want to TEACH. They shouldn't have to be worrying about dodging bullets. It's the fault of all these good ol' boys that want the country to continue to be awash with guns. And this Sheriff Bouchard is a Republican (I'll bet he doesn't believe in gun control). I'm also tired of males like this portraying themselves as "heroes" when we're paying them protection money to protect us from other MEN. And I'm tired of Sheriff Bouchard "fighting back" tears. Try being a nurse like I am and taking care of these patients in the hospitals (where they CONTINUE to be critical and "code"), while dealing with the parents and their grief. WE are the ones who continue to do clean up; changing the diapers and colostomies of kids that have been shot. Dealing with a young man who will be paralyzed from the waist down from his injuries, while trying to teach him to take care of himself when he's still in denial about never being able to walk again. The dressing changes, the drainage tubes and wires and machines, the family's questions, etc. And I can manage not to cry in front of other people. These men are the biggest babies; they create the problem, the drama, and the danger they put us ALL in, ......then they cry when they have to respond to it. Hats off to all the women in FEMALE dominated professions who are left picking up the pieces of a toxic male culture.
Apparently, I can't copy and paste a link. But if you look up Sheriff Bouchard's beliefs, he doesn't believe in an assault weapons ban, or gun dealer liability, or a woman's right to choose.
I agree. Detroit Police Department were splendid. They also apprehended a car full of kidnapped children the next day. Detroit doesn't get a lot of kudos, but we should all be very proud of their performance.
@@morgankelly9725 Ms. Kelly - It would be just easy and wonderful to be able to pin a society issue on just one thing.... in the case of your thinking..... men. Wish it were so. Would be easy to zero in on and to cure. And, no matter how horrible these shootings are, take away all the guns so no one else gets shot, and then only the government will be able to shoot those (adults or childten) that don't fall into line with their rules & dictates because THEY won't give up THEIR guns. (Look to Australia, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, North Korea for just a small handful of examples.) You have trouble with men? Then I hope someday you find yourself in an area where no men are and you can live without one in sight nor receive any of the things that are good that men bring to the table. And, by the way, it's a fact, because you are alive, that one of these horrid worthless men used their sperm to help your mother create you.... and any siblings you have, any children you might have, and on it goes. Calm down, use your mind. Think. Possibly you have something else that you might need to personally address about males? So sorry for any pain you might have had to go through in your life connected with any men, ma'am. May God/Jesus (both considered males) continue to bless and love you, sister.
It's obvious the kid wanted to do harm so it really didn't matter if the parents bought a gun or not yeah I'm I'm sure that aided to it but if the parents wouldn't have bought him a gun he would have found another way to commit his mental ness It all comes down to the mindset of the individual you could be the greatest parent on Earth but if your son or daughter they're mindset is what set is what makes the difference it's obviously he was mentally deranged
They aren’t defending the parents really. It’s more like some people feel that prosecuting the parents threatens their own right to bear arms. I don’t agree with this thinking but many people fear that prosecuting the parents is somehow a threat to gun rights- and it doesn’t matter they broke the law so they need to answer for that.
@@FlyboyUS hmm... or you could have taken your son home and put him into a facility with a rubber room, given that you were just presented with more than enough information to predict he was potentially going to do this. Same goes for the school.
I understand your comment, but... There are families that need some kind of closure. They need answers as to why their child was injured or killed. What if this was your child that was killed, wouldn't you want to know why? These families may never get those answers, but if there is a chance then they deserve that chance. A trial is the only way they are going to know the full story of what led up to the shooting. The only chance the parents or the child that did this will have to answer to the families. Knowing the people who killed or injured your loved one is behind bars and will have to stand trial and be punished to the full extent of the law. All the kids that had to see this horrible senseless act that are traumatized probably sleep better knowing he's behind bars. It's not even close to making up for killing their loved one, but it's more than what they have now. Nothing will ever make what happened okay or even make it make sense, but if the parents and kid are dead there is no answers or any kind of justice. Killing themselves would be the coward way out and no answers for the families.
I think there are those at the school who should also be charged He was clearly unstable and they sent him back to class without searching him for a weapon. Sadly I'm not surprised by it. Had a good friend who was a teacher a kid in her school brought a weapon to school tried to hire another kid to kill her. That school then wanted her to go to his house and tutor him. This happened in Indiana. in the mid 90's.
They said he posted a countdown the day before and students stayed home out of fear... But again noone was notified? Odd and weird but not crazy or unheard of. Sad though.
Thank you officers for the 18 bullets you stopped. My heart hurts for this community and for all our school aged children. School should be safe. No civilian should be thrown into a war zone in school.
Those civilians include teachers and principals. Why should they be in danger because the Sheriff here likes guns ? I can't believe I have to PAY men to clean up their own mess.
@@morgankelly9725 LMAO you mean about another false information propaganda agenda? Sure bring it on, they last about 6 months before people either realize the argument is dumber than rocks or femizanis like you take it over with extremist views/ideas.
@@___Anakin.Skywalker Do some research. It us 100% there fault. They were horrible parents. Now there son and the others around him paid the price and no I don't mean access to weapon.
@@colecole3352 explain they are horrible parents? Parents can't see to their kids all the time. Blame the bullies. They turned this good angel boy into a monster. And then the school authorities didn't care to save him from the suffering of getting bullied. Ethan just did what any man with dignity would do, stand up for him self and get his respect one way or the other.
Americans always go by the way someone PRESENTS. It's all about image. Sheriff Bouchard, here, is a Republican..........and a Republican from MICHIGAN. How much do you want to bet he doesn't believe in strict gun control ? Then he wants to present himself as a "hero" while trying to "fight back" tears while he's talking. Try being a nurse, like I am. Do you KNOW how many tragedies I've seen ? The nurses are still taking care of those injured kids; the dressing changes, the surgeries leaving people deformed, changing the diapers, the colostomies, managing the ventilators, the tubes, IVs, wires, machines, and........dealing with their families; their grief, their questions. WE can manage not to cry in public. My British cousins say they don't trust Americans because we'll cry at the drop of a hat over a tragedy, then are able to stop just as quickly as we move on to the next interesting drama. If we really cared about our kids, we'd stop having candle light vigils, thoughts, prayers, and going on the news and choking on out tears to show how "caring" we are.......We'd actually DO something about the guns in this country. But I'll bet Sheriff Bouchard doesn't believe in doing something about it, :).
Well, seeing how what someone "seems" like has little to do with who they ARE (I've worked as a prison nurse; you'll find many seemingly nice inmates too, who if you didn't see them in orange, you would assume were decent men). Tom Girardi has this issue too; sounds like Winnie the Pooh when he speaks, yet stole tons of money from people. And what I wrote about this Sheriff is very, very relevant.
Apparently, I can't copy and paste a link. But if you look up Sheriff Bouchard's beliefs, he doesn't believe in an assault weapons ban, or gun dealer liability, or a woman's right to choose.
@@morgankelly9725 Do everyone a favor and shut up. I stand by my comment. The sheriff seems like a decent man. Plain and simple. His beliefs are his own. Still a good man regardless of any of that.
So purchased a weapon for a child and thought that his danger drawings and plea for help were not any concern enough to maybe keep him out of class? Parents are so stupid and now have destroyed everyone that has been impacted. Culpability...10-4.
@@ronswanson485 who do you think knew about the gun ownership status? did the parents or the teachers know? He was white, why search his backpack? Bet they would have if he was black!!!!?? Gtfoh
In Canada, we are currently memorializing the Montreal Massacre, in which 14 women were murdered in a college. The country is STILL mourning this event, which happened 32 years ago. I find it amazing that this sheriff, addressing the 67th death/injury from the 29th school shooting this year, is trying to reassure the public with this press conference, while say things like “we’re working on keeping everybody safe and we will have everything back to normal etc”. There is NO NORMAL in the USA in terms of school safety. There hasn’t been “normal” for decades. Lawmakers continue to be afraid to face the runaway train which is unfettered gun-rights and gun-fetishes at this point. Oh, but Americans will tell me it’s all about “freedom”.
The Lawsuits against that School District is about to start rolling in because ... This could have been prevented the 1st time he was caught looking at Ammo & no one addressed the issue! Those Administrators failed those students and put them in harms way & for that THE SCHOOL DISTRICT will pay
You must be very naive...the school district has no money. What, you think this school district walks down to the basement, to their printing press, and orders up a couple mil to pay lawsuits? That is YOUR money, given to the district through a voter levy. That school system is going to be bankrupted by the lawsuits, and so they are going to go back to the taxpayers and ask for a few more million to continue operation. Put down that game controller and study how our system operates! Or DOESN'T operate, as the case may be.
@@john1653 Hello John! There's nothing naive about me and I don't play games. I don't care where the money will come from, the bottom line is that, if and or when the time comes for the lawsuits to be filed, trust me -- the school district will be who they will be filing against.
God bless Karen McDonald, our Oakland County prosecuting attorney, who wasn't afraid to hold the parents accountable. I bet there are many families who have since locked up their guns for the safety of their family.
I'm just imagining how much different our country might be if people in the federal gov't, were this thorough in how criminal events are investigated. Not just ignored because of affiliations/connections etc.
I'm a Senior Citizen with mobility issues. It sounds like these three felons have better access to mental/physical services than us seniors do! I've committed zero crimes, worked hard my whole life & keep getting declined for help because Medicare won't/doesn't want to pay for any services! Crazy world we live in!!
i still can't believe how these 'parents' fleeing after their child got into trouble over something that they assisted him to do. couple of cowards. not fit to be called parents.
I feel bad for the this kid, his parents walked him straight down the path of failure . I feel horrible for the families that are paying the price 💔😕 prayers
I taught for many years (not in the USA) and if a school expels a student, the parents are called in, told of the expulsion and the reasons for it and that's it. The parents are not asked whether or not they want/agree to their child being expelled. So, in this case, I think the parents did a stupid/ possibly even a criminal thing in giving the boy a firearm he's too young to own, the school is absolutely culpable.
What a wonderful Sheriff!! I admire his diligent demeanor, just like Sheriff Judd Grady, 2 outstanding LE that deserve praise, and recognition for their hard work and true to their job and word. Thankyou to tipster...
I watched that earlier too. One of the defense attorneys, Shannon Smith, was also one of Larry Nassar's attorneys. Nasser was the U.S. Olympic Team's doctor that was charged and convicted of molesting 100's of athletes. In fact, Shannon Smith has built her career on defending those accused of serious sexual crimes. What a terrible decision to have someone like her defend them. It's terrible optics.
When a teacher observes behavior like this, the protocol is informing the school councelor who will contact the parents and suggest especialized help and as far as I know, all of it was done. Don't take away responsibility from parents and blame schools and teachers.
"it takes a (n oxford) village". So many failures and honestly I'm not surprised after having a president who divided this country more than ever. Right after it was closer than ever after 9/11. The elite and Trump wanted to keep everyone fighting, plain and simple and we fell for it again. Things were so great before he came along.
I live in Oakland County and Iv’e not been a big fan of Bouchard in the past, but I have to say, I’m impressed with how he’s handled a very difficult situation.
@@morgankelly9725 men would still live in caves if women didn't demand stable shelter food and sex/family. So we can just as easily blame women who are incaple of survival/fending for themselves In nature without men. Look at middle eastern and African and Latin countries like Mexico,South America etc. ... How are the women treated there??????? Your feminism rant on men being the problem constantly is not only annoying AF but severely flawed for numerous reasons. But again, keep crying about it, sure to solve, exactly nothing but worsen it.
@@morgankelly9725 I agree with you on that point. His politics are the exact opposite of mine. But he’s the guy in charge whether I like it or not, and he seems to be handling the situation well.
@@rocsti5402 We wouldn't still live in caves; we would probably live in some type of shelter other than that. And human beings survived in caves for how many thousands of years ? By the way, the MALE survival rate back then wasn't good either. So it's not like they've BESTOWED anything on women that they didn't do for themselves. \ You can grow food, lol. Many societies don't eat meat. And last I checked I could fish too, AND I'm sure I could catch a small animal to eat, though I prefer not to. And if women didn't survive then our entire species wouldn't survive AT ALL. Rather difficult to survive the first few years of your life after conception without a uterus, placenta, and mother's milk, lol. Seriously. And how are women treated in other countries ??????????????????? See, I can add a lot of question marks too. They have different TYPES of chauvinism there. Why don't you at least ASK a woman from there what she thinks of her country and whether she really feels the United States is "less" chauvinistic. As far as a rant, I'd much rather hear a man "rant" than have him be a danger to me. Toxic masculinity IS a problem in our society.
A child's mental health and well being starts at home and continues in the hands of educators while on school property. There were many failure points involved in yet another tragic continuation of our country's stigma surrounding mental health & mass shootings, no mater where they take place. So sad that more innocent people have died because very little is done in the way of action when warning signs were so obviously there! I can't believe that this troubled kid was returned to class without even a backpack & locker search! These parents should pay the price just as if they pulled the trigger and the school should have a solid no strikes plan for when these issues come up on the premises and on social media!
Thank you to all those police men and women and emergency crew who risked their lives to save our children. Prayers to all those who could not be saved. Tragic and senseless.
So sad and unbelievable ! It's only going to get worse. These schools need metal detectors and it's sad that's what's needed now days. No kid or teen should have any access to a gun for any reason ! I can't imagine the families preparing for Christmas & now they're preparing for funerals
Not only that gun manufacturers need to be required to have devices that render guns unable when they're on school property or any area where children are Churches hospitals parks ect
Why don't parents buy musical instruments for their children? When I was growing up during the mid 1950s everyone in my neighborhood played a musical instrument. Every household in South Central L.A., Callie either played an instrument, could sing or were dancers. We had all kinds of clubs, chess club, Spanish Club, speech club, etc. Wtf happened to the children of these talented classmates?
Lol who was that guy you just reminded me of... O yeah Manson the serial killer. Lol. It's more than just buying an instrument but I get your sentiment.
Not good parenting..they need to spend the rest of their lives behind bars...this is gonna be the saddest holiday ever for those parents who loss their children..RIP 💔🙏🙏
Apparently the parents had a meeting with the school administration regarding Ethan's behavior that morning of the shooting. Then there were a few students that reported Ethan's behavior in a classroom. Those students stayed home the day of! They knew something was up! The school administration knew all about Ethan's long list of behavior issues! He should been kicked out! Instead he was able to return to his classroom with his "early Christmas present"! There's no record of Ethan being bullyied or being a bully! My deepest condolences. May special memories, guide you through this difficult time. As the days and weeks pass, and as you return to life's routine, may you continue to feel comforted by the love and support of family and friends. Speedy recovery for all the survivors.♥️♥️🙏 (edited for grammar)
He and his parents failed the school and all the teenagers he murdered, the kids he terrorized and hurt and all the families and friends who will be forever changed because the parents knew he would do it. Prayers to all involved.
When the young man gets his chance to make a phone call, he will find out his parents are also in jail. I’m sure the family lawyers will also chat with everyone in that family.
The fact that the parents ran, trying to flee prosecution, leaving their teenaged son to face this alone tells you all you need to know about what type of people they are. And I’m not saying the shooter deserves any type of support, empathy or understanding whatsoever, but at the end of the day he’s still their son.
I said the same thing. Their behavior pretty much explains alot of what got all 3 too where they are right now.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. These parents are total losers.
I do have empathy for the son because he is a child who had clear cries for help and warning signs and his parents did not get him help, he was obviously severely mentally troubled at this point I can’t imagine how they could’ve been so Blind us to think that he was not on a course to something terrible.Of course I have more empathy for the victims of his rampage.
@@katelynhopper7942 Exactly! Both of you took the words right out of my mouth!
I'd love to see your reaction being in their shoes...
R.I.P. 🕊 Justin Shilling
R.I.P. 🕊 Tate Myre
R.I.P. 🕊 Hana St. Juliana
R.I.P. 🕊 Madisyn Baldwin
Godspeed to the injured; may your physical wounds heal fully and with speed.
Godspeed to the parents and families of these beloved children.
A worse nightmare is hard to imagine. 😔
Thank you for making these deceased known to us by name. My heart goes out to their families and friends. I cannot imagine anything worse. Death by coward
sad!
Praying for them all, how heartbreaking, & all their families, friends, much love. I’ll think of them all always. Ty for sharing their names, very honorable.💖
R. I. P
bo hoo
That gun has to be the most costly Xmas gift they've ever bought, right? It's cost the lives of 4 children, cost them their own liberty, their savings, their jobs, their reputation & their own child!!
Yes. I smell lawsuits and payouts to the parents of the victims. The school failed to prevent this tragedy.
Sad sad story
Is your country’s second amendment really worth that? What a waste of life over the “right” to possess a gun. I’ll never understand it.
@@ponypalpaula Yes. Yes it is.
Correction a child that they are disappointed in and probably will disown after this
Defense attorney: They were not running, they were going to turn themselves in.
NO BS Sheriff: That's great, but we're not going to sit at the front desk tapping our fingers waiting for them. We had a warrant, we went looking.
He is SPOT ON. Keeping it 100%. Otherwise, the backlash would be on the police department.
They used to come looking for my next door neighbors felonious son regularily. He speaks the truth there, they dont wait...
Amen.
The problem is Sheriff Bouchard is a Republican......I'm getting tired of him "holding back" tears when he speaks about what a tragedy this is. When at the end of the day, he probably doesn't support gun control. He should try being one of the nurses taking care of these injuried kids while dealing with their families as well.
@@morgankelly9725 ya know Morgan, it's been said time and time again, you just can't fix stupid and evidently you're what's left when they tried.
@@mikee2 Yes stupid is thinking this is a gun control issue.
For the price of that Sig Sauer semi (plus ammo), these parents could have easily purchased Ethan a nice used Squire bass guitar, performance amp and encouraged him to take music/bass lessons.
Ethan could have gone on to join or form a cool rock band. His social problems could have been dealt with in a peaceful, positive way.
This is one out of many, many possible alternatives to buying a troubled teen a Sig Sauer semi-auto hand gun.
Terrible shame the adult Crumbleys were just idiots and probably not mentally stable themselves.
Good parenting or being a solid role model by teaching accountability, honesty and consequences costs nothing.
@@2K9s why do that when you can buy your kid's affection
Super Squirrel LOVE your comment!! We have to look past this latest tragedy in an endless series of tragedies and ask what the hell is wrong with our society? Why is it so fixated on destruction instead of creation?
Parents are gun freaks , not guitar freaks
@@2K9s That is not the point, is it?
Not only did they supply their child with the means of shooting up a school the second they could be charged with a crime they were fully willing to abandon their child and flee. That is pretty low.
And you know all this for sure? You and your type are the reason they will never seat an impartial jury in this case. Shame on you.
Ever wonder why they have not been charged with a weapons violation?
Exactly!
You are a f joke
Yep. pathetic scumbags. Hopefully they will be locked away for life.
I don't understand how parents can resist taking their child home at the schools discretion? It's not a choice, you have to take your child home. I work for a school district, that's not how it works. Why didn't the school search his locker and backpack after finding the alarming evidence they did? It doesn't make sense to me. Without doing a search they send him back to class? The school also should have called an ambulance and had the child taken to the hospital for a psychiatric exam immediately. The child should have not been able to return to school until he was cleared by doctors and receiving therapy and put on medication. Apples don't fall far from trees, the parents are unstable and needed help too. They were enablers, blind and helpless to their sons unstable behavior. Instead they bought him a gun and ammo and everyone paid the price. They even fled and left him to face this alone. All 3 have untreated mental disabilities. This whole situation is very sick and could have been prevented. The school could have prevented this by doing a thorough investigation after catching him searching for ammo in class, finding the disturbing drawing, after seeing the social media post of the gun by him and his mother which they would have found during a proper investigation, along with the loaded gun in his backpack with the extra clips. The school failed everyone. Schools have the right to send any student home, search any locker or backpack and search any student period for any suspicious behavior or contraband. Plus they have their own school liaison officer at their fingertips. The school should be prosecuted too.
As a teacher I second that...spot on👏
Agreed100%
Agreed!
I don't think the school said "you must take him home for the rest of the day" and the parents said "no" so the school just said "oh OK, I'll just send him back to class!" It seems they offered for the parents to take him and they said no.
Because the school told the parents the kid had to start therapy within 48hours in order to stay in school.
They are white; get special white privilege
These people are a prime example of the old saying… “If your child needs a role model and you’re not it… you’re both screwed”
😆😭😭😭😆😆😆😆goooood one
The Dad only did 1 thing honorable! Calling 911 to report the gun was missing, when he realized it was probably his son shooting up school! While the Mom says, just don't get caught, & don't do it! If i had any suspicious my kid was about to shoot up a school, etc, I would call in swat & beg to try & take him alive! Probably why my kids help law enforcement, not run from it!
Never heard that before....but it's accurate as hell.
@@dancalmpeaceful3903 same here, but I think it's definitely appropriate here!
@@cristineconnell7803 Oh most definitely...can't believe this type of trash actually exists...
all irresponsible parents should be charged in cases similar to this.
Starting with Kyle's Mom
Raymond Kovacs you're funny
Agree
@@raymondkovacs4852 Starting with Raymond's mom. People like you make me pro-abortion.
@@raymondkovacs4852 Kyle's parents should get medals for making a great son that has rid the world of some pedophiles and other garbage human beings.
This seems like a sad case of two people who didn't love their son enough to make sure he and others were not in harm's way. So strange to buy him a weapon knowing he was unstable. They tried abandoning him and letting others deal with their troubled son. These are two people that should have not been able to reproduce.
Having seen a handful of incidents such as this in my life, this is the very first Sheriff that truly sounds like he knows exactly what he is talking about, knows the proper steps to take and didn't stumble at all with providing information or laying out the events. I commend him for being on point and being a true expert in his delivery and ALL his responses and information. He also didn't seem to really "blow off" any questions or withhold information.
Right?? I am almost shocked how professional and down to earth he seems. None of the antagonism with the media, straight up information, detailed, professional, emotional, and more than all of that, human. How is it that this has become such a rarity? Either way, comforting to see.
He's a Republican so he probably doesn't believe in gun control.
I'm also tired of males like this portraying themselves as "heroes" when we're paying them protection money to protect us from other MEN. And I'm tired of Sheriff Bouchard "fighting back" tears. Try being a nurse like I am and taking care of these patients in the hospitals (where they CONTINUE to be critical and "code"), while dealing with the parents and their grief. WE are the ones who continue to do clean up; changing the diapers and colostomies of kids that have been shot. Dealing with a young man who will be paralyzed from the waist down from his injuries, while trying to teach him to take care of himself when he's still in denial about never being able to walk again. The dressing changes, the tubes and wires, the family's questions, etc.
And I can manage not to cry in front of other people. These men are the biggest babies; they create the problem, the drama, and the danger they put us ALL in, ......then they cry when they have to respond to it.
I'd rather deal with a very obnoxious condescending member of the media, than someone who comes across as "nice" yet probaby supports policies that make it easy to get a gun.
@@morgankelly9725 What are you even talking about?
@@morgankelly9725 I’m gonna start a go fund me page to get you some counseling.
Wow. What an amazing man, Sheriff. I don't know what else to say. Be proud. You're doing amazing work.
Except that he's a Republican, so he probably doesn't believe in gun control. The nurses, like myself, who are CONTINUING to take care of injured kids like this are doing amazing work. The schoolteachers, like my sister, who don't get paid enough, yet are in danger because of a toxic MALE culture awash with guns, are also doing amazing work.
I'm getting tired of these MALES that support the NRA, creating all of this drama, then bragging that they're heroes when they save us from it.
Don't worry, I'm paying taxes for these Y chromosomers to protect me from other Y chromosomers. And they're getting a pension too.
@@morgankelly9725 would you shut up about this you imbecile.
@@mattmarkus4868 - ^^ Spotted the Tr**plican incel.
When he described what the officer who is first on the scene , what they must do and ignore people who may need them , and focus on the shooter , i realize how special these people really are .
Imagine you are awakened by a knock on the door....its a police officer. You open the door, and they ask, "Are you okay"? We are working on an active matter in your area.....please stay inside, and enjoy a safe evening........and they walk away. THATS what police officers do....
That's how this department is trained. Not all police follow the same procedures. In this situation it seemed to work very well though. Maybe more should look into it.
What a well spoken and calm sheriff...
Props to this sherrif for all his and his team have done day and night! Handled this press conference amazingly!! Thank you!
The parents abandoned their son, knew a lot, it’s so much to wrap ones mind around. Praying for all that paid for their lives, the families, all. This is horrific.
I don't think the parents abandoned their son, and do you actually think they knew and wanted their child to go on a shooting rampage?, I know the photographer made the Crumbley family look like criminals on their mug shots, but to actually think the parents where involved with the shootings then you are easily fooled by the media
@@CoachJimWheeler No they just ran off when faced with prosecution. If you're innocent, why run? They knew what was going down
@@waryeekong1845 you serious?, what would be their motive?, so they could spend a possible 15yr plus in prison and their son spend the rest of his life behind bars, doesnt sound like a good plan too me, surely people dont believe that,
@@CoachJimWheeler Here we go. The wicked old "media". Would you happen to be an anti-vax flat Earther by any chance?
Mogg Piano you probably got upset that Kyle Rittenhouse was found not guilty
If the parents were concerned for their safety, why not turn themselves in? Being in police custody is a pretty safe place. Just sayin’.
Agree
There's nothing safe about having the police hunt you down. Way safer to turn yourself in.
My exact thought. Their lawyers were making excuses because its alleged they withdrew $4K from their bank.
Being in police custody is the worst place to be.
@@DarlinReal I thought it was 4K?
For being a small town sheriff he is very competent and well spoken.
He's not really a small town sheriff. He's the Oakland County Sheriff. I live here. It's a pretty big county with a pretty big police force.
He is charge of one of the largest and the wealthiest county of Michigan. All of our professional athletes (Tigers, Lions & Pistons) probably live in Oakland county.
broski. oakland county police force is the biggest police force in michgian.... def not small town lol
I lived in Oakland County for 3-1/2 yrs and it is a very large county… population.
Small town? Oakland county? Enough of this BS misinformation.
So tragic no matter how you look at things ..holding these parents accountable rightfully so...not only did the parents allow him to go back to class but so did certain school officials ...school officials also new that this student was unstable ...I think others also need to be accountable... praying 🙏 for all who have suffered through this horrible tragic incident....
*knew- know in the past tense for know. New means not old
Most of the teachers in the schools are (women) that want to TEACH; they shouldn't have to be worrying about dodging bullets. It's the fault of all these good ol' boys that want the country to continue to be awash with guns. And this Sheriff Bouchard is a Republican (I'll bet he doesn't believe in gun control). I'm also tired of males like this portraying themselves as "heroes" when we're paying them protection money to protect us from other MEN. And I'm tired of Sheriff Bouchard "fighting back" tears. Try being a nurse like I am and taking care of these patients in the hospitals (where they CONTINUE to be critical and "code"), while dealing with the parents and their grief. WE are the ones who continue to do clean up; changing the diapers and colostomies of kids that have been shot. Dealing with a young man who will be paralyzed from the waist down from his injuries, while trying to teach him to take care of himself when he's still in denial about never being able to walk again. The dressing changes, the tubes and wires, the family's questions, etc.
And I can manage not to cry in front of other people. These men are the biggest babies; they create the problem, the drama, and the danger they put us ALL in, ......then they cry when they have to respond to it.
@@morgankelly9725 so do you believe that only the government and criminals should be allowed to carry/own guns? great logic! governments disarming their citizens has went so well through the course of history, right?
Betty Jojoe Harper: Re- Imagination your going to be pedantic when the message this man sends out his heartfelt sympathy with spelling???
@@ronswanson485 I’m Canadian. Millions of gun owners here but gun deaths are not rampant like they are in the USA. America needs to figure out how to keep gun owners responsible. Nobody knocks on the door and confiscates guns here and that should not happen in your country either.
Maybe if the kid had better parents he wouldn't have been this troubled
What a great Sherriff! We need more like you, sir! Thank you for your service and your team as well.
He is just a great communicator. Hands down a professional
I was so touched by the image of him hugging frightened people, offering comfort.
It was criminally negligent for the school staff to authorize the shooter to return to class. Why are they not being prosecuted?
They may be. Investigations ongoing
I keep asking the same thing
Still very early in the investigation-this isn’t like TV policing (except live PD and COPS) as in realty it takes lots of interviews, analysis and evaluation to build a effective prosecutable case. As a retired LEO, most of the gen pop has very little concept of how much work goes into even the simplest of cases, let alone one like this. And, after tons of reports, interviews, and investigation, the prosecution could still LOSE. Sure his attorney will go for insanity or similar… not that it really matters given Michigan has no Death Penalty.
It was absolutely negligent to not search the backpack. Though I don't think it rises to the level of the parents where they supplied the murderer with the weapon, knew he had the weapon (If not in his possession they at least knew he had access to it) whereas the school officials were reacting to a drawing without the foreknowledge that he was actually capable of acting on those drawings.
Lol you want to blame the school system because the school system bought him the pistol wow
This country needs more officers like him. A lot more.
Why? Because he virtually insured a mistrial, or a conviction overturned at appeal, or an acquittal, or charges being dropped completely, by running off at the mouth?
@@baconbap no because he did his job in getting those scum bag parents behind bars and I just watched the defense team try to say, "we didnt know." And I saw the judge say. "No excuses" and issue that $500k bond for each worthless parent. It was wonderful. It's too bad the public didn't find them first.
@@Keepupthecardio and the judge ordered no 10% of bail. It's the whole 500k or zero bail for each.
So by doing that they both should be held till trial. I'm just waiting for the gofund me to pop up to try and raise 1million to get them out...lol
@@baconbap I'm going to enjoy watching their lives crumble away, a fitting end to parents who can't even secure a fire arm. Reminds me of bad dog owners allowing their dogs to kill and hurt others without taking responsibility. People like this should be punished with... Methods.... That's all I'll say.... I can dream :)
@@emmjensen8816 it's unfortunate the police couldn't find a nice flight of stairs for them...
It's is so disturbing to know that these Parents had knowledge and provided the means to such a horrific act
Such as other situations in the past resulting in a horrific act. These parents will be made examples of in order to bring attention to other parents that may be following suit.
The last 12 school shooters have had pro gun parents. Kids with access to guns. It’s time to start prosecutors to go after these loser parents.
These creeps should get the same punishment the murderer deserves, the rest of their life in jail.
This guy needs to be touring to teach enforcement agencies how to interact with the public, and how to describe to the press how they’re doing it. An absolute perfect diamond in the rough.
Agree 100% - he is good at communication w/o exposing import police information. Great cop. Great communicator.
They look crazy, and they had to know that giving a gun to their crazy son was a really stupid thing to do ! They are just as guilty as their son !
Bullseye!!!
There are no winners in this tragedy. We all lost. It's a loss. Going forward....concentrate on coping skills, health and well being as a foundation for this country.
You are right. No winners. A very sad case.
Well sunnyside egg, we need to concentrate on oh I don't know GUN LAWS. Yeah, I think that would go a lot further then concentrating on, "coping skills'. Please read what you wrote again and maybe a third time as it makes zero sense. Any responsible gun owner should welcome stricter gun laws, as it protects them as well from morons with a trigger finger. But hey. a bunch of kids are dead (AGAIN) so let's just move forward and hope that coping skills and (checks back to your post) "health and well being" do the trick. No. Enough is enough.
@@michelelou of course safe and healthy gun laws. Coping skills for kids beginning in kindergarten who struggle with thoughts and emotions and end up harming others.
@@michelelou What would you propose then? What regulations and preventions are not in place that you would implement? Or do you think just saying "gun laws" means something? And I swear, if you say background checks, which already exist...
@@michelelou This case involves adults failing a child looking for help. He allowed himself to be caught looking up ammo on his phone and his mom laughed it off. He wrote about voices he was hearing and creating illustrations of violence and allowed them to be seen. Some students were worried about attending due to rumours of a shooting that could happen. He was in the office meeting with his parents 45 minutes before. His locker was not searched, which should have happened immediately when he is in that state of mind. Everyone talks about warning signs. He was waving a giant red flag and everyone ignored it. He was allowed to go back to class as the parents wanted him to stay. Lots of warning and everyone ignored it. Maybe this child will now get the help he needs. Oh, and btw, criminals don't care about gun laws. Anyone can get an illegal gun any time they want. That is the nature of life in the USA. Gun laws would not have changed this outcome.
OK...avoid the attorney, withdrawal $4K from an atm, and get cuffed at an art gallery/wherehouse. Sounds like a crime novel.
I'm sure a movie will be in the making soon enough SMH
@@shapienails3067 You Bet!!!!
That lawyer was lying when she said that they were not in hiding. No sense of credibility.
its pretty much impossible to prove intentions. Maybe they were hiding. maybe they were running. We cant say that they are lying about their intentions, as we cant read their minds, but maybe through questioning, we can get some more clear understanding. As for now, we can agree that their decision was childish and wrong. but yeah, it seems as if they were hiding and running.
@@ethatch802 they missed their court date, left their home & county, and was near the border of Canada … all signs point to them evading
@@THETITANSFOREVER Sheriff said they had help. Almost sounds like they used non-standard methods to locate them. Lol, they said the tipster ran off....yeah right!
You can't help but love this cop and I'm definitely not fond of law enforcement but maybe if they were all like this guy I would change my mind
Sherriffs' usually do a great job compared to police officers.
The sad fact is that the vast majority of officers are fantastic. It just takes a few hundred out of the thousands and thousands of great police officers across the country to give all of police departments a bad name.
I agree. He’s done a great job under the spotlight. Also I have a few friends in law enforcement and I have known them before they became “cops” and it’s not easy watching them struggle at times. Hopefully they will continue to grow and become as admired as this sheriff. I appreciate your comments and I WILL pass it along. :-)
He's a Republican so he probably doesn't believe in gun control.
@@morgankelly9725 would you shut up about this you imbecile. You've posted this 10 other times. F your politics. F his politics. Get a perspective you obnoxious fool.
What an Incredible Model by these officers for this nation, on how to appropriately manage an active shooter situation and its Fall-Out! These law enforcement teams should be held in the highest regard, and are to be commended for their training, collaborative team work, selflessness and ability to manage a literal moment by moment, life & death situation. These officers deserve the Very Highest recognition for their bravery. I hope they will always remember “18” lives were saved that day because of them. Hats off to you all. Many will be home for Christmas because of YOU.
Most of the teachers in the schools are (women), like my sister, who want to TEACH. They shouldn't have to be worrying about dodging bullets. It's the fault of all these good ol' boys that want the country to continue to be awash with guns. And this Sheriff Bouchard is a Republican (I'll bet he doesn't believe in gun control). I'm also tired of males like this portraying themselves as "heroes" when we're paying them protection money to protect us from other MEN. And I'm tired of Sheriff Bouchard "fighting back" tears. Try being a nurse like I am and taking care of these patients in the hospitals (where they CONTINUE to be critical and "code"), while dealing with the parents and their grief. WE are the ones who continue to do clean up; changing the diapers and colostomies of kids that have been shot. Dealing with a young man who will be paralyzed from the waist down from his injuries, while trying to teach him to take care of himself when he's still in denial about never being able to walk again. The dressing changes, the drainage tubes and wires and machines, the family's questions, etc.
And I can manage not to cry in front of other people. These men are the biggest babies; they create the problem, the drama, and the danger they put us ALL in, ......then they cry when they have to respond to it.
Hats off to all the women in FEMALE dominated professions who are left picking up the pieces of a toxic male culture.
Apparently, I can't copy and paste a link. But if you look up Sheriff Bouchard's beliefs, he doesn't believe in an assault weapons ban, or gun dealer liability, or a woman's right to choose.
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I agree. Detroit Police Department were splendid. They also apprehended a car full of kidnapped children the next day. Detroit doesn't get a lot of kudos, but we should all be very proud of their performance.
@@morgankelly9725 Ms. Kelly - It would be just easy and wonderful to be able to pin a society issue on just one thing.... in the case of your thinking..... men. Wish it were so. Would be easy to zero in on and to cure. And, no matter how horrible these shootings are, take away all the guns so no one else gets shot, and then only the government will be able to shoot those (adults or childten) that don't fall into line with their rules & dictates because THEY won't give up THEIR guns. (Look to Australia, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, North Korea for just a small handful of examples.) You have trouble with men? Then I hope someday you find yourself in an area where no men are and you can live without one in sight nor receive any of the things that are good that men bring to the table. And, by the way, it's a fact, because you are alive, that one of these horrid worthless men used their sperm to help your mother create you.... and any siblings you have, any children you might have, and on it goes. Calm down, use your mind. Think. Possibly you have something else that you might need to personally address about males? So sorry for any pain you might have had to go through in your life connected with any men, ma'am. May God/Jesus (both considered males) continue to bless and love you, sister.
I cannot believe that there are people who are coming down on that prosecutor in defense of these horrible parents!!
It's obvious the kid wanted to do harm so it really didn't matter if the parents bought a gun or not yeah I'm I'm sure that aided to it but if the parents wouldn't have bought him a gun he would have found another way to commit his mental ness It all comes down to the mindset of the individual you could be the greatest parent on Earth but if your son or daughter they're mindset is what set is what makes the difference it's obviously he was mentally deranged
@@FlyboyUS I've been saying that too....
They aren’t defending the parents really. It’s more like some people feel that prosecuting the parents threatens their own right to bear arms. I don’t agree with this thinking but many people fear that prosecuting the parents is somehow a threat to gun rights- and it doesn’t matter they broke the law so they need to answer for that.
@@FlyboyUS I'd like to see him up against those football players with a knife and a cop with a gun.
@@FlyboyUS hmm... or you could have taken your son home and put him into a facility with a rubber room, given that you were just presented with more than enough information to predict he was potentially going to do this. Same goes for the school.
This guy is a hero. Very good at his job. We trust in you to do a good job. Thank you.
Please stop WASTING my tax dollars on "suicide watch" for these monsters. If they want to save time, so be it.
Geez, says someone who never loved a child.
We have to always show respect and compassion, it’s the only my way forward imo
I understand your comment, but... There are families that need some kind of closure. They need answers as to why their child was injured or killed.
What if this was your child that was killed, wouldn't you want to know why? These families may never get those answers, but if there is a chance then they deserve that chance.
A trial is the only way they are going to know the full story of what led up to the shooting. The only chance the parents or the child that did this will have to answer to the families.
Knowing the people who killed or injured your loved one is behind bars and will have to stand trial and be punished to the full extent of the law.
All the kids that had to see this horrible senseless act that are traumatized probably sleep better knowing he's behind bars.
It's not even close to making up for killing their loved one, but it's more than what they have now. Nothing will ever make what happened okay or even make it make sense, but if the parents and kid are dead there is no answers or any kind of justice.
Killing themselves would be the coward way out and no answers for the families.
Their intentions are more important than their child’s behavior. Someone over 25yo is more responsible than a 16yo
Yeah theoretically someone 25 years old is more responsible than a 16 year old.. apparently that's not always true
My heart and prayers goes to all those affected by this evil act.
I think there are those at the school who should also be charged He was clearly unstable and they sent him back to class without searching him for a weapon. Sadly I'm not surprised by it. Had a good friend who was a teacher a kid in her school brought a weapon to school tried to hire another kid to kill her. That school then wanted her to go to his house and tutor him. This happened in Indiana. in the mid 90's.
They said he posted a countdown the day before and students stayed home out of fear... But again noone was notified? Odd and weird but not crazy or unheard of. Sad though.
of course. Anyone with enough knowledge to prevent this and who didn't take action should be held accountable. Duh
@@rocsti5402 it shows an incredible amount of incompetence of schools and parents.
Thank you officers for the 18 bullets you stopped. My heart hurts for this community and for all our school aged children. School should be safe. No civilian should be thrown into a war zone in school.
just imagine if the principle had searched the kid's backpack before letting him go back to class. none of this would have ever happened.
Those civilians include teachers and principals. Why should they be in danger because the Sheriff here likes guns ? I can't believe I have to PAY men to clean up their own mess.
@@morgankelly9725 you don't have to do anything. Or you can do anything, but you choose to just blame men, good luck with that.
@@rocsti5402 You're just afraid word will get out and give women something to think about.
@@morgankelly9725 LMAO you mean about another false information propaganda agenda? Sure bring it on, they last about 6 months before people either realize the argument is dumber than rocks or femizanis like you take it over with extremist views/ideas.
Suicide watch on parents? They obviously love themselves as their actions prove.
The Crumbley’s world is crumbling .
Crummy parents.
It's not their fault. They're the real victims, in my opinion. It's the prayerful angel boy Ethan that was tortured. He just fought back.
It's already imploded. Bye, Bye to all and to all a good night. They'll never see the light of day.
@@___Anakin.Skywalker Do some research. It us 100% there fault. They were horrible parents. Now there son and the others around him paid the price and no I don't mean access to weapon.
@@colecole3352 explain they are horrible parents? Parents can't see to their kids all the time.
Blame the bullies. They turned this good angel boy into a monster. And then the school authorities didn't care to save him from the suffering of getting bullied. Ethan just did what any man with dignity would do, stand up for him self and get his respect one way or the other.
Just wtf were they thinking what is a 15 year old gonna do with a handgun other than this
This sheriff seems like a really decent man.
Americans always go by the way someone PRESENTS. It's all about image. Sheriff Bouchard, here, is a Republican..........and a Republican from MICHIGAN. How much do you want to bet he doesn't believe in strict gun control ? Then he wants to present himself as a "hero" while trying to "fight back" tears while he's talking. Try being a nurse, like I am. Do you KNOW how many tragedies I've seen ? The nurses are still taking care of those injured kids; the dressing changes, the surgeries leaving people deformed, changing the diapers, the colostomies, managing the ventilators, the tubes, IVs, wires, machines, and........dealing with their families; their grief, their questions.
WE can manage not to cry in public.
My British cousins say they don't trust Americans because we'll cry at the drop of a hat over a tragedy, then are able to stop just as quickly as we move on to the next interesting drama. If we really cared about our kids, we'd stop having candle light vigils, thoughts, prayers, and going on the news and choking on out tears to show how "caring" we are.......We'd actually DO something about the guns in this country. But I'll bet Sheriff Bouchard doesn't believe in doing something about it, :).
Well, seeing how what someone "seems" like has little to do with who they ARE (I've worked as a prison nurse; you'll find many seemingly nice inmates too, who if you didn't see them in orange, you would assume were decent men).
Tom Girardi has this issue too; sounds like Winnie the Pooh when he speaks, yet stole tons of money from people.
And what I wrote about this Sheriff is very, very relevant.
It's a good thing Ethan's parents probably couldn't afford an assault weapon.
Apparently, I can't copy and paste a link. But if you look up Sheriff Bouchard's beliefs, he doesn't believe in an assault weapons ban, or gun dealer liability, or a woman's right to choose.
@@morgankelly9725 Do everyone a favor and shut up. I stand by my comment. The sheriff seems like a decent man. Plain and simple. His beliefs are his own. Still a good man regardless of any of that.
This Sheriff seems like a top notch fellow.
Can you please give Microphone to the people questioning during press conference.
Very professional and competent Sheriff.
So purchased a weapon for a child and thought that his danger drawings and plea for help were not any concern enough to maybe keep him out of class? Parents are so stupid and now have destroyed everyone that has been impacted. Culpability...10-4.
well, the school administrators sent him back to class without ever searching his backpack, so....
@@ronswanson485 who do you think knew about the gun ownership status? did the parents or the teachers know? He was white, why search his backpack? Bet they would have if he was black!!!!?? Gtfoh
In Canada, we are currently memorializing the Montreal Massacre, in which 14 women were murdered in a college. The country is STILL mourning this event, which happened 32 years ago.
I find it amazing that this sheriff, addressing the 67th death/injury from the 29th school shooting this year, is trying to reassure the public with this press conference, while say things like “we’re working on keeping everybody safe and we will have everything back to normal etc”. There is NO NORMAL in the USA in terms of school safety. There hasn’t been “normal” for decades. Lawmakers continue to be afraid to face the runaway train which is unfettered gun-rights and gun-fetishes at this point. Oh, but Americans will tell me it’s all about “freedom”.
The Lawsuits against that School District is about to start rolling in because ... This could have been prevented the 1st time he was caught looking at Ammo & no one addressed the issue! Those Administrators failed those students and put them in harms way & for that THE SCHOOL DISTRICT will pay
Also, the parents refused to take ethan home. The administrator should have insisted.
You must be very naive...the school district has no money. What, you think this school district walks down to the basement, to their printing press, and orders up a couple mil to pay lawsuits? That is YOUR money, given to the district through a voter levy. That school system is going to be bankrupted by the lawsuits, and so they are going to go back to the taxpayers and ask for a few more million to continue operation. Put down that game controller and study how our system operates! Or DOESN'T operate, as the case may be.
@@john1653 Hello John! There's nothing naive about me and I don't play games. I don't care where the money will come from, the bottom line is that, if and or when the time comes for the lawsuits to be filed, trust me -- the school district will be who they will be filing against.
Tate WAS NOT bulling Crumbley, he just told his Mom that because HE was in trouble.
God bless our great American Sheriffs and leaders. Thank you for doing the hardest job. Keeping a civilized society safe from bad people. 🙏
By shooting off their big mouths and insuring a mistrial? Yeah, so well done.
@@baconbap some people aren’t that smart. This is America after all.
@@baconbapimagine being anti-police and then getting attacked. we know it’s not the ghostbusters you’d want to call
God bless Karen McDonald, our Oakland County prosecuting attorney, who wasn't afraid to hold the parents accountable. I bet there are many families who have since locked up their guns for the safety of their family.
@@janetpartyka5968 she’s a Karen
Lol. "We aren't gonna sit at our desks tapping our fingers waiting for them to come in" Lol
I'm just imagining how much different our country might be if people in the federal gov't, were this thorough in how criminal events are investigated. Not just ignored because of affiliations/connections etc.
Boom! Agreed!
Responsible parents who recognize their filial obligation does not gift a 14 year old with a weapon the likes of a gun. End of story.
I'm a Senior Citizen with mobility issues. It sounds like these three felons have better access to mental/physical services than us seniors do! I've committed zero crimes, worked hard my whole life & keep getting declined for help because Medicare won't/doesn't want to pay for any services! Crazy world we live in!!
Don't commit any crimes just to get better health Care
i still can't believe how these 'parents' fleeing after their child got into trouble over something that they assisted him to do.
couple of cowards. not fit to be called parents.
This Sheriff is one of the Good Guys.
How many times does he have to say ‘He gave up.’ These reporters are trying to trip him up, horrible! Great job Sheriff, thank you.
Heartbroken this is devastating God bless the community of Oxford ☹️
It's a little late for your invisible deities now. They weren't there then or even now.
He's a human being first and a cop second.
Someone should nominate the lady for mother of the year.
LOL…. Try not to get caught next time…
Didn’t even search his backpack. When I was in school, kids backpacks were searched if there was even an inkling of suspicion. Better safe than sorry.
I feel bad for the this kid, his parents walked him straight down the path of failure . I feel horrible for the families that are paying the price 💔😕 prayers
I only feel bad for the victims - the deceased, the injured, and their family and friends.
Why feel bad for people who shouldn't have existed?
Was the kid bullied?
@@nickflanderson2658 I guess so
I feel bad for the students who were being killed and passing away
I taught for many years (not in the USA) and if a school expels a student, the parents are called in, told of the expulsion and the reasons for it and that's it. The parents are not asked whether or not they want/agree to their child being expelled. So, in this case, I think the parents did a stupid/ possibly even a criminal thing in giving the boy a firearm he's too young to own, the school is absolutely culpable.
Why aren't they charged with for attempted murder on the survivors?
There’s no way such a charge would stick
What a wonderful Sheriff!! I admire his diligent demeanor, just like Sheriff Judd Grady, 2 outstanding LE that deserve praise, and recognition for their hard work and true to their job and word.
Thankyou to tipster...
Thank you to Karen McDonald, the Sheriff, Detroit Police and all other officials.
These parents were teaching their son how to not get caught and look what happened to them!
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Just watched the arraignment, seems like in denial . The lawyers are going to make a lot of money from them. So sad 😞
I watched that earlier too. One of the defense attorneys, Shannon Smith, was also one of Larry Nassar's attorneys. Nasser was the U.S. Olympic Team's doctor that was charged and convicted of molesting 100's of athletes. In fact, Shannon Smith has built her career on defending those accused of serious sexual crimes. What a terrible decision to have someone like her defend them. It's terrible optics.
That lawyer needs to go to jail.
When a teacher observes behavior like this, the protocol is informing the school councelor who will contact the parents and suggest especialized help and as far as I know, all of it was done. Don't take away responsibility from parents and blame schools and teachers.
"it takes a (n oxford) village". So many failures and honestly I'm not surprised after having a president who divided this country more than ever. Right after it was closer than ever after 9/11. The elite and Trump wanted to keep everyone fighting, plain and simple and we fell for it again. Things were so great before he came along.
School admin mishandled the entire situation. Period.
Thank you Karen McDonald we need more people like you!
We have a joke out here in Los Angeles we need you to replace.
What kind of animal would make threats towards a vigil for slain children?
These are “parents”? Give me a break! Troubled child raised by troubled adults. Lock them up. Lucky only one child.
Me Crumbley has another kid from a first marriage. The ex wife sure had a lot to say about this loser couple
Amazing sheriff
If someone wants to operate a vehicle they need to have a license and insurance.
Maybe we need a DMV for guns?
Maybe we just get rid of them except for the police and properly trained/and tested mentally
@@rocsti5402 isn't that last part what the DMV kinda does for cars?
@@mikehunt6107 read my comment a few more times.
I live in Oakland County and Iv’e not been a big fan of Bouchard in the past, but I have to say, I’m impressed with how he’s handled a very difficult situation.
Men like him are the reason we have so many guns. The reason schoolteachers are in danger.
@@morgankelly9725 men would still live in caves if women didn't demand stable shelter food and sex/family. So we can just as easily blame women who are incaple of survival/fending for themselves In nature without men. Look at middle eastern and African and Latin countries like Mexico,South America etc. ... How are the women treated there??????? Your feminism rant on men being the problem constantly is not only annoying AF but severely flawed for numerous reasons. But again, keep crying about it, sure to solve, exactly nothing but worsen it.
@@morgankelly9725 I agree with you on that point. His politics are the exact opposite of mine. But he’s the guy in charge whether I like it or not, and he seems to be handling the situation well.
@@rocsti5402 We wouldn't still live in caves; we would probably live in some type of shelter other than that. And human beings survived in caves for how many thousands of years ? By the way, the MALE survival rate back then wasn't good either. So it's not like they've BESTOWED anything on women that they didn't do for themselves. \
You can grow food, lol. Many societies don't eat meat. And last I checked I could fish too, AND I'm sure I could catch a small animal to eat, though I prefer not to.
And if women didn't survive then our entire species wouldn't survive AT ALL. Rather difficult to survive the first few years of your life after conception without a uterus, placenta, and mother's milk, lol. Seriously.
And how are women treated in other countries ??????????????????? See, I can add a lot of question marks too. They have different TYPES of chauvinism there. Why don't you at least ASK a woman from there what she thinks of her country and whether she really feels the United States is "less" chauvinistic.
As far as a rant, I'd much rather hear a man "rant" than have him be a danger to me.
Toxic masculinity IS a problem in our society.
@@morgankelly9725 you can add a bunch of ???? But not respond with any kind of logical repsonse.
THE SCHOOL SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE ALSO!!
You should be too.
Why? Please explain.
Thankful for men like this Sheriff. Simple as that.
What you going to do when the come for you?
The coward Crumbley's ran.
Lock these criminals up for life.
It’s scary how close you could know a murderer and with a kid that’s mental…
I live in Connecticut but I feel bad for the neighborhood of this family…
A child's mental health and well being starts at home and continues in the hands of educators while on school property. There were many failure points involved in yet another tragic continuation of our country's stigma surrounding mental health & mass shootings, no mater where they take place. So sad that more innocent people have died because very little is done in the way of action when warning signs were so obviously there! I can't believe that this troubled kid was returned to class without even a backpack & locker search! These parents should pay the price just as if they pulled the trigger and the school should have a solid no strikes plan for when these issues come up on the premises and on social media!
Sounds like a lovely family reunion...
Thank you to all those police men and women and emergency crew who risked their lives to save our children. Prayers to all those who could not be saved. Tragic and senseless.
Prayers to all of the victims families! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
So sad and unbelievable ! It's only going to get worse. These schools need metal detectors and it's sad that's what's needed now days. No kid or teen should have any access to a gun for any reason ! I can't imagine the families preparing for Christmas & now they're preparing for funerals
Not only that gun manufacturers need to be required to have devices that render guns unable when they're on school property or any area where children are Churches hospitals parks ect
Hopefully whoever helped them, gets charged and arrested.
Detroit is just a hop n skip from the Canadian border. Id bet that was their plan.
So they go on the run and left the boy to face charges on his own?
Why don't parents buy musical instruments for their children?
When I was growing up during the mid 1950s everyone in my neighborhood played a musical instrument. Every household in South Central L.A., Callie either played an instrument, could sing or were dancers. We had all kinds of clubs, chess club, Spanish Club, speech club, etc. Wtf happened to the children of these talented classmates?
Guns are easier to play, not alot of experience necessary.
Lol who was that guy you just reminded me of... O yeah Manson the serial killer. Lol. It's more than just buying an instrument but I get your sentiment.
The mugshot of the mother is downright creepy!
damm, the whole family is creepy........W T F ......
Wow. What a critical thinker you are. Ever heard of hearing all the facts before you judge? Obviously not.
I noticed that too. She looks pissed to me. Like she doesn't think this shouldn't be happening to her. I bet she still believes she did nothing wrong.
Was she supposed to be smiling or look happy? THAT would be creepy.
They put that gun in that child's hand. It's about time parents are held accountable!
Not good parenting..they need to spend the rest of their lives behind bars...this is gonna be the saddest holiday ever for those parents who loss their children..RIP 💔🙏🙏
Bet you don't say that about gang-bangers
@@GYMMYT sesame street is on..you could learn something from Ernie and burt 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣..find you another playmate 🤣🤣🤣
@@GYMMYT the hells angels or the crips or the kkk or the bloods?
@@GYMMYT exactly what we've been saying for years
It is a comfort to know you and your team are on this.
Mad gratitude and RESPECT SIR.
Healing for all.
Apparently the parents had a meeting with the school administration regarding Ethan's behavior that morning of the shooting. Then there were a few students that reported Ethan's behavior in a classroom. Those students stayed home the day of! They knew something was up! The school administration knew all about Ethan's long list of behavior issues! He should been kicked out! Instead he was able to return to his classroom with his "early Christmas present"!
There's no record of Ethan being bullyied or being a bully!
My deepest condolences. May special memories, guide you through this difficult time. As the days and weeks pass, and as you return to life's routine, may you continue to feel comforted by the love and support of family and friends.
Speedy recovery for all the survivors.♥️♥️🙏 (edited for grammar)
People have been saying that the parents were going to the airport. Idoubt it. I bet they were trying to head to Canada
They were as close to the airport, as they were from Oxford. The tunnel to Canada was just a couple miles away.
His parents and the school failed him on many levels.
Do you always make excuses for killers 🤔???
He also failed himself.
Teachers do not get paid enough to be babysitters and counselors on top of educators.
He and his parents failed the school and all the teenagers he murdered, the kids he terrorized and hurt and all the families and friends who will be forever changed because the parents knew he would do it. Prayers to all involved.
How dare you say that the school failed! Where’s your teaching certificate? Step up and put yourself in the classroom.
The parents allowed an emotionally disturbed teenager access to firearms. But what about his right to bear arms ??!!
No such rights if you are a juvenile
My left ear was fascinated by this development.
same
When the young man gets his chance to make a phone call, he will find out his parents are also in jail. I’m sure the family lawyers will also chat with everyone in that family.
People need to STOP running their mouths and pray for EVERYONE involved. And that's from 1 end of this country to the other.
Charge the person who helped them!