The downfall of the 'conservatories' | James O'Brien - The Whole Show
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Bye Bye Tories! It's been horrible knowing you.
Bye bye 👋 tories HELLO RED TORIES 😢
Who we voting for
Sharia law soon 😂 💪🕌
16 year olds pay Income Tax, so SHOULD be allowed to VOTE
16 year olds are children
@jcanyiam8309 16 year olds are ignorant, and would likely vote for labour due to left wing brainwashing, that's the only reason people want 16 year olds to vote
@@olgilDo children pay income tax?
Sixteen year olds cannot fight for their country, seventeen yes sixteen should not be able to vote, i beleave they are a bit too young.
@@tamaliaalisjahbana6849 They do when they're 16
Can you imagine what Farage would have done if the vote had been 52% Remain, 48% Leave?
Would he have let it lie? No he wouldn't
No. Or at least that's what he said when the polls appeared to be suggest sense would prevail.
Drunken bigots are rarely known as people who can just let their grievances lie
Absolutely, he’d be campaigning for BrexitVote2. Truth is we should never have left the EU based on such a tiny margin, but because of that tiny margin, Farage would’ve insisted that the vote was too close to call and that a second vote is needed to be “clearer.” That man is always on the grift
He said as much before the result. That he would be campaigning for a second referendum
But in the same way the Remain side would say “we won you lost get over it we’re staying in it’s a once in a generation vote like the previous referendum etc etc”. There’s hypocrisy on both sides
I - as a vocal, bully of a teenager - made my parents stop buying the Daily Fail and the Sun/Mirror. It was the single best thing I did for our family.
Ah, the downfall of the Tory's. One of the benefits of Brexit.
You're welcome.
So true sharia law coming very soon will solve everything 🪓
The only brexit benefit, but a mighty fine one.
Rancid-Smugg's comment on Grenfell, confirmed to me, that he wasn't a Sociopath as I had first thought: he is an actual Psychopath.
Gosh.
Farage should be prosecuted for lying to the public and held accountable for his actions. Of course, there's a boatload of others that should be - it's absolutely criminal, what they have done.
@catznjam470 tony Blair should be charged with war crimes, saddam had no weapons on mass destruction.
Interestingly enough, kier starmer supports grooming gangs, and also fights for the rights off immigrant criminals to stay in the uk instead of being deported.
Vote REFORM
Who else ?!?! Just about everyone in Conservative Party soon to be defunked an most off all Boris Johnson
You can’t name drop one without the others.
If you are working at 16, then you're paying taxes, and if you're paying taxes, then you deserve the vote. It's truly that simple.
As they used to say, _"No taxation without representation."_
So, if they are too young and immature to vote, they should not pay any taxes at all. But that would be a lot more expensive.
{:o:O:}
Every single argument about young people being able to vote can be against any other group. But this point is immutable. If you are paying into the system you get a say in how it's run.
Queue someone saying, not every 16 year old works. The obvious response to this is, does this mean only employed adults should be able to vote?
HOWEVER... I still don't think young people should be able to vote until 18. The obscene targeting of young people through digital media for everything from celebrity energy drinks to gambling and right wing content. It's rife. Adding in the politicisation of this group will be yet another thing they get warped and bombarded with.
We do not protect young people anywhere near the extent they need currently. Until we do so we absolutely should not open them up to yet another avenue of attack and manipulation. Putting them in the crosshairs more groups who want to use digital media to exploit them.
@@arnoldrimmer4025 I'd argue that having the vote at 16 engages them in politics at an earlier age, so that when they do leave school they are used to politics and used to voting. The learn in school, learn from each other. Many 18-25 year olds don't vote because they don't get engaged in the process until later in life.... and we can see the impact of that in the opinions of the average voter.
If you buy something in a store you pay tax (VAT). Basically everyone pays tax. Following your logic anyone who pays tax would vote, eg a 10 year old.
@@evidence4all-re6gf I think you are too young to vote
Need to remind everyone, nobody has voted yet. Nothing has changed the conservative press will be fighting every second to change public opinion.
Don't kid yourself that the English/Murdoch media haven't got their claws into Starmer.
Murdoch needs to lose a couple more newspapers and media platforms for anything to really change.
Murdoch's media was pro-Brexit, is pro-Ukraine war and pro-Apartheid Israel. What else needs to be said?
That’s fine, nobody is listening.
I reiterate that nothing can really be determined until the next government gets in there and see what we don't know yet. Considering what HAS been made public knowledge, I shudder to think what they will find still hidden and covered up..
I think before we have an election we should have a referendum. "Has the government you voted fulfilled the promises it made?'. If 50% say no, EVERY SINGLE MP loses their job and cannot stand for re-election ever again. Get a whole new fresh batch in. Perhaps that would focus their minds on delivering the job they were elected to.
Claire, the lady from York was excellent 👌 spot on about everything she said.
Why should Labour talk about brexit? He should repair the relation with the EU. Rejoining is years if not decades away😂😂😂😂😂😂🇳🇱🇳🇱
It's Brexit that has really done it for the Country.
And who made Brexit a possibility - Cameron and every Tory PM since.
I'll be glad to see the back of the conservatories!
So true sharia law coming soon 🔪
So true sharia law coming soon anyway
@@Salamis.-330 ahahaha next joke
Whatever you do/think - you must never Conserve a Tory!
All this debate does, is glaringly highlight just how utterly unfit for purpose our decrepit voting system is. The ONLY reason that Starmer and Lab are not talking about Brexit (the most obviously destructive wrecking ball in perpetuity) is because our ludicrous FPTP system is so pathetically critical in getting into office. The fragility of our democracy is baked in! All by design to keep the Tories firmly in power, and in actuality we shouldn't be slamming Starmer about the lack of Brexit discussions, we need to be putting electoral reform and proportional representation front and center. In any case, Starmer is doing exactly what needs to be done by remaining schtum on B - he has no choice right now. Get in office, and THEN we start fixing the omni shambles.
Albo and Trudeau are great examples for what the U.K is likely in for under Starmer. Not nearly a much change as needed
Big Rob definitley looks like Lord Farquaad
I would like 2 know if the N.H.S is getting the £350m per week as promised 😂😂😂😂😂😮😮😂😂😂😂😂😢
Keep up the great work James, love watching the show after work here in NYC. Keenly looking forward to the election results.
In Austria 16 year olds can vote and it's fine. The discussion was identical but nowadays it has been accepted and doesn't come up anymore as an issue.
The only reason some in the UK don't want 16 year olds to have the vote is because they don't tend to vote Tory. You can bet if 16 year olds voted Tory then the Tories would have already introduced it.
Stamer can stay on the fence with Brexit pending the outcome of the self destruction of the Tory party.
The situation will play out itself as the people of the UK will come to its own conclusion
The danger for him is if the downward economic pull of Brexit prevents him from improving the economy. He'd better get his messaging straight
I remember 14th June 2017, quite clearly tuned into LBC as the tragedy unfolded in West London 😢 It didn't need £170million of our taxes to understand what caused this disaster to happen. Hard to see how this tragedy doesn't happen again, given the lack of reform and inaction😮The Building Control process was butchered under the Tories, to the satisfaction of their Big Contractors lobby and donors; the result is catastrophically poor house construction and the disaster of Brexit
The conservatives are telling lies again that Labour will have a huge majority, not true Labour needs every single vote. Every vote counts vote Labour 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Starmer is treading carefully - he doesn’t want to upset both sides of the Brexit argument because he wants a massive seat margin; then he can do more or less what he wants?
James O’ Brain is 100% right.
1:21:57 "So that's why support for them is falling. It's not falling because of Brexit, it's falling because..."
Best fade-out ever.
You need to start putting timestamps on these
Yes please ❤
1:16:00
YES
"Hey lets do something about poverty and make sure our businesses get free access to the second largest market in the world, the one that happens to be right on our doorstep!" , shouldnt really be the hardest sell in the world when everything has calmed down a bit.
My conservatory collapsed YEARS ago, mate.
Was gonna say the same thing 😂
I've got two on my list that need fixing this year 😂
Wasnt it £190,000 Farage got even for the initial leave because he was a sitting Euro mp. 16ýear olds - get a job or stay in education to 18, then taxed if a job. Now its national service, with no say? Thats supposed to make them responsible for others?
....means the downfall of Great Britain
@@mattjones1207the downhill started in 1919, started accelerating in 1945 and then the whole downhill was pulled out from under you guys in 2016. Its been a beautiful free fall since then
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Dont think so.
Just (hopefully) the downfall of a few Tories who lied for power.
The day after the election, 70 million, brilliant UK.people will get on with life jusr as before but this time without the lies and corruption of the Tories.
You've already had that downfall. Had it not been for all the hungry children, I'd enjoy watching it.
Legend says Steve is still trying to figure out "who didn't deliver" to this very day.
He must be some sort of centrist to be criticised by both sides OMG I AM SCARED NOW HOW ARE WE GONNA PUT LABOUR IN A BOX
Reformed gammon has stolen the title of your book James 😂
Broken Britain 🇬🇧
Vote reform 😂😂😂
Sue farage 😂
Of course Starmer gets criticism from the left for his lack of integrity, and it's perfectly valid to do so.
BREXIT costing the UK Treasury OVER £100 BILLION per year in lost output!!!
So true Sharia law pending 🔪
There is a famous film called downfall which part would Richie play ?
As they used to say, _"No taxation without representation."_
So, if they are too young and immature to vote, they should not pay any taxes at all. But that would be a lot more expensive.
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Excellent point.
always have voted for the conservatives but will not be doing so this year. After 14 years of consistent decline at your hand, it’s hard to accept that “NOW” you will make the changes to improve the country.
The party got too lazy and stop caring about the people and rightly need a massive kick up the backside (loose many seats as possible) and fundamental change should they wish to be elected again
Indeed. At this stage Tories should be running on their achievements, not on their unrealised goals.
sorry but did the tories care about the mining and steel communities?
Daily fail going out of business. Thankfully
Daily Fail have been losing money for years and still keep going.
It's a cost by the elitist to spread right -wing propaganda.
Reforms party political broadcast no sound or anything just 6 words on the screen Britain is broken Britain needs reform they can't manage a party political broadcast never mind run the country.
They do know how to construct and punctuate a sentence though
@@jeffsimon9594 said the intellectual and political equivalent of a cabbage
@@MajorCharlesCarringtonV.CYou must have missed the last 2 debates. Farage made a fool out of everyone
@@Danny-is5ifNigel does know how to double talk. He doesnt like it when somebody asks specifics.
I love how you pronounce Farage!😊😊
The reality of Brexit presents a paradoxical situation, as the decision to remain or leave is influenced by higher levels of low-income earners compared to professionals.
Starmer needs to get the farming industry and manufacturing behind the rejoin EU message. If they support it then thats half the battle won as both of these groups are traditional Tory supporters and funders
98% of the Tories' current travails track back to Brexit" says caller Lee and James O'Brien. And that's why Nigel Farage, the man who along with the Tories unleashed the Brexit chaos is riding high in Clacton...?
Yep. The Tories are the party that implemented the Brexit disaster, they're the ones tainted by it. The true believers of Clacton think it would have been a success if Nigel had done it. If they think at all.
Oh, that fellow just tells everyone that if HE had been in charge of Brexit it would have worked perfectly. You can't dissuade people from believing something they truly want to believe.
Yeah. Brexit destroyed your country, and now Farage gets to tour what's left of it and shout: "Look at this destruction! We need Reform!!"
His audience are true believers, who either don't realise or don't accept that the destruction is just Brexit. They live being told that it isn't. Nothing appeals to them as much as their already-favorite guy demanding the utopia they were promised.
I think the attitude to 16 year olds voting is going to be influenced by memories of your own teenage years. Would you have cast a vote at that age that you would now regret? If so you might not support lowering the voting age. I'm in the odd position that I don't know. In 1978 the Liberal Party didn't field candidates in the ward I lived in, so If I''d had the vote at 16 I would have not been able to vote for my first choice, as an adult I've never been in the position of not having a Liberal, or now Liberal Democrat or allied party to vote for.
If you can pay tax when you're 16 then you should be able to vote. It's fairly simple, but also young people are the future old people have had their time. That's the past. When you vote, you're voting on the future. You can't build a country based on ideas from 80 years ago with the best will in the world. They just do not understand how fast and different this new world is. They would vote to stop everything. Be back like the old days. In this case we will be immediately wiped out by our competitors abroad. England's current downer on young people is appalling and it's authoring its own demise.
'Making the most of brexit', or whatever the manifesto says, is a pretty meaningless statement when there is nothing to be made of it. The tories will, of course, use this as a cudgel to beat labour with.
James O'Brien would you do a whole episode on tony Blairs war crimes, and his failed project of mass immigration, breaking the uks housing system.
Also speak about kier starmers support for grooming gangs, saying young white girls should be ignored as they are liars, whilst ignoring the predators.
Are you serious ?
Sharia law soon 🕌🪓
" We must as much go back to our homes and farms ...and pursue this mockery of a government for one more day "......quote by Oliver Cromwell.....not for much longer hopefully.
The fade out🤣
YES!! Give 16 year olds the vote. It would put schools in a position where they need to prepare them for it.
And it would put politicians in a position where they need to PAY ATTENTION TO THE NEXT GENERATION!!!
The only thing I can think of re giving 16 year olds the vote is helping young people tp engage in politics to a point where they might feel they know how to vote. Way back when I was 18 I didn't know what to do - we're living in different times now.
They turned up to work! Tories turned up to relax.
Labour have made a rod for their own backs. Brexit is very unpopular, they're losing more voters to the lib Dems and apathy with that line. Their lack of any vision and no lack of plans for reforms are just infuriating. They say there's no money, but they're choosing to not tax the rich. Their timidity is actually causing them to lose support, i don't know anyone who actually wants to vote for them, despite really hating the Tories
The "common sense" argument is oft used by those that refuse to educate themselves on the complexities of the issue under discussion.
Reform!!!
On Brexit! How about shutting out the ideologs and let pragmatic realists sort it out…on both sides. Evidently there are a grey row of desirable compromises ahead.
And when you revisit Brexit perhaps you should have second thoughts on the sanctions in Russia? Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot…both feet.
Hopefully by the time the UK is in a position to approach the EU about possible re-joining or some other mutually satisfactory relationship, either there will be no such country as Russia or it will be a much smaller, more humble nation working on finding its place in the 21st century. Meanwhile, we'll do pretty well out of all the contracts helping Ukraine to rebuild their infrastructure, and then lucrative trade deals when they're up and running.
the guys voice slowly fading away from waffle was too funny!
It seems to me that we are voting for Labour to punish ourselves for voting conservative previously. We do it sll the time.
He learnt early to dodge tax, while he was helping at his mums pharmacy. He wasn't employed there.😅
JAMES.
There is no "chicken and egg thing."
The Egg came first, it was laid by a bird.
Please stop saying this!!!
conservatories ?
What percentage of 16-year-olds vote for reform? Are they taken in by farage or are they hoping they might be a world worth living in when they're older?..
Big Bob was likely incredibly rage filled after his debut into 'idiots corner'.
So this might be the UK’s AfD moment?
Agree. UK is on the track with emergence of Farage who seems to even more popular despite the disaster of Brexit.
Or maube because of it? Desperation and anger among the extreme Brexiteers?
Wow a real man for the people! If anyone can its Jeremy Corybn. A magnificent triumph and this is just the beginning......
The thing that's different now is there are many more old people than they were in the old world. They are retired and they they have a powerful percentage in the voting. We need to rebalance that by giving 16-year-olds the vote. It's just balance . Balance of future and people worrying about their future against Old-Timers remembering old worlds and wishing it was all still like that. I don't blame them but normally that wouldn't matter. But we have a population inversion situation. So it has to be rebalanced. It is those young people that see the future. These old people they just don't understand and are easily targeted. And in many ways it's not their future that they're voting for is it?..
The Brexit concrete boot is fixed, while the countries limping round in circles.
Not my words
Amanda Abbington is a Saint, in fact.
What is the name of the Robert Harris book he's talking about?
One book he mentioned was "Show me the bodies", but I'm not sure if that's the one you're asking about. This one was about Grenfell.
Everyone is talking about corruption. I wonder who pays the money...
The rich.
'the people who hate me talking about it ...'
You very clever chappie I almost never listen to you but when I do my reaction is the same.
I press the delete button 😅
opinion clustering = policy basket
Rejoin will not happen in the next parliament. At best the negotiations might start, along with taking measures to undo some of the damage. Any other assessment is a triumph of belief over reality & we all now where that gets us. No single market & no customs Union (in this parliament) does not mean there will be no temporarily thinned out versions. The fact that Labour have accepted that the future will ocur in the future can be hard to face for some. Next election is the Rejoin election.If a referendum It won't be a 2nd vote. It'll be the first vote for approx 10million "newer" voters
I think Starmer could use the 'BBC' defence of being equally accused by both sides.
As to what Starmer's stated opinion on Brexit should be, I'd suggest something along the lines of:
"all matters Brexit" will be treated pragmatically and all cases judged on their individual merits and overall pros and cons for the country.
The country has wasted enough time on Brexit since 2014?
Certainly Brexit has been ideal for Putin regardless of whether or to what extent Putin had a hand in Brexit.
Anyone for tennis?
A lot of people do not vote because they don't feel anything changes no matter who is in. The country is fragmented and identity politics play so much into everything but at some point its like a Borsin cheese commercial. The cheese gets smaller but too many people are nibbling at it that you either are going to have to get more cheese (taxes) or you are going to have to just pick a couple causes most can agree on and go with it. Healthcare, security are the big ones. The issue with the Conservatives is they have a big police force that doesn't fight crime so people are unsafe. They failed to build an army to protect the country. They failed to secure borders also making people unsafe and an unhealthy population is just a domino effect on the rest of things. At the same time have a gazillion programs people depend on and not doing anything for themselves isn't going to work. We have a lazy society that thinks we should house and provide health care for the world not only for the people that wash up on shore but by giving money to the countries they come from. Can't look after your kids, can't make them a breakfast, really?
Is it the case that in the UK the Gov. does not have the power to garnish a spouses wedges to support their children, when they refuse to pay child support?
It's because keir is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Starmer (imo) is just waiitng to see who his main opposition will be. If it is a hard right tory party, he will remain quitet so doesn't give them an obvious attack line. If however it is a more centrist tory party, or even the Lib Dems, he will be able to revisit Brexit relatively unopposed.
Labour should have a plan to bring up Brexit. Otherwise the opposition will blame what ever goes wrong after Labour wins the election, on Labour.
If i start a band called the spookable horses can i play on your show? We will play mostly one osmonds cover.
Government policy on higher education impacts young people at the age of 18 and only at that time in their entire lives. Really, they should be able to have a say in an election that will affect them when they are 18, before they are 18. It's not as if they can vote for a change in that policy when they are 18-21 and have that policy affect them to any great extent. by that point it is too late.
So an 18 year old can vote on behalf of younger people about what will happen to them when they are 18, but not much of a say in what happens to themselves.
That's just one point. In scotland 16 year olds have the vote because 16 is the age of legal adulthood, albeit it took devolution to reduce the voting age.
WEF lackey being criticise by a E.U. lackey.😅
I'm now married to Ben Cumberbatch. He's passed.
Re 16 yr olds voting...
If politics and basic law making is on the school curriculum then yes as it is the future they will be growing up in but so many of us do not understand how politics work and how law is made hence our beliefs and understanding in policies and political parties.
Okay James, I get it. It's a great book. ... What? ... Fine, I'll read the book. I'll read the book! I'll do it! I'm gonna do it! (I'll tell you when I finish the book.)
enough is enough
Vote reform lads, down with tory labour
I think it just shows kiwr starmer doesnt a solid position on a whole lot of issues.
Apart from child benefit caps, just vote lib dem, yeah its laissez neoliberal centrism like stamer but at least they take a stand against child poverty.
And it wont tarnish labour with more PFI in the NHS from weasel wes streeting.
you're still thinking in terms of how people voted -- many people are just sick of the subject entirely. Brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit.
enough already.
This election should be treated as a net zero election! And net zero migration election?
And for that reason I will be voting for reform uk….
Faulty towers sketch...
Basil Faulty...,
Don't mention the war... or the world cup. lol!
And I managed to write an essay for a volume of a usual notebook in an hour during Olympiad. Too many words, dear reporter. Too many. Too.
The British are Ficul
Hi James 👋 could you please say big hullo and miss you to Steve Allen for me?
Im no into social media....ta x
@jcanyiam8309 mass immigration costing every UK person higher rents, longer go waiting times, more traffic, over crowding, etc... yet James o Brian never mentions it