6:38 For future reference, the correct tap to use on a blind hole(aka Closed-end hole) with soft material, is a spiral fluted tap. Unlike the tap that was used, a spiral fluted tap is designed to break the chips from the cut threads and lift them out of the hole(just like a normal drill bit) instead of trying to push the chips down and out of a through hole. They also make a tapered tap which aids in getting the tap(and thus the threads) started squared and true to the hole and third kind called a bottoming tap which as the name suggest, is for cutting threads down close to the bottom of the hole. These little details matter a lot more for power tapping but, it does make hand tapping a lot easier too.
They were NOT a blind holes, as behind the aluminum plate, there was at least one bolt diameter of foam, plus the aluminum plate appeared to me to be no more than one bolt diameter thick for that a straight flute tap is fine.
I agree 100%. They can do these sorts of experimentation because of their success as documentarians on TH-cam, and I've really enjoyed watching their channel from the start, when they experimented with the copper coating on Uma (It seems like yesterday).
@ Yes it’s amazing to see how some products work in real world conditions. They hinted at a wind 💨 power system in the future, and they were experimenting with a turbine earlier. Really good stuff from this channel. It’s wonderful to see the quality of their work and the design they put into each part of Uma.
After so many years watching you guys what comes to my mind is all that energy you have to do so much comes from the fuel of the love you have for each other. You are amazing.
Really pleasant experience witnessing both of you working together but in opposite inside outside locations simultaneously. It’s what makes yall sparkle in video land. Thanks for new perspectives within this exciting transformation of your floating home.
When you are in temperate climates all electric is a good plan. If you go back to the arctic type weather you may wish to rethink your heater. A diesel heating system installed but not filling the tank could be a redundancy worth considering. Famous last words " We didn't think we would need it" seems to pop in my mind. ....... enjoy
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 They talked about entering the Southern Latitude's at one time.... Even so the East Coast of the U.S. and Canada (eh) can get nippy at times. Just sayin' .................enjoy
If they have a wind turbine and regen from sailing that gives them some very good options on cloudy days. Also, they can plan for the weather. If there's no energy available they just won't do any major passages.
What's great about you two is that you are technology pioneers. You're pushing the envelope for the future of sailing. Showing what is possible for the rest of us. I look forward to watching how this works for you.
No sun for days. No wind for wings = depleted batteries. Now you're a bobber. Diesel motor and fuel are more reliable and less taxing on earth natural resources. Try adding up what goes into making all of the resources needed for a battery powered boat. Then how often you have to fix or replace them.
@@mattsuser I've seen some debate about whether the all-EV economy is all it's cracked up to be. Our grid will never be able to handle everyone having all electric vehicles and also there's the argument that hybrid vehicles are actually better overall for carbon footprint. We are also seeing the damage wind and solar farms do to wildlife, but you can't deny that fossil fuels are changing the planet for the worse also. It's a conundrum. I think more nuclear has to be part of the solution.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Yes, nuclear very good and getting better all the time. I challenge you to find how much carbon dioxide we add to the world compared to all other process of the Earth.
Hey guys, I occasionally skipper a 40’ monohull with twin electric motors, so have some experience manoeuvring. The props are a similar spacing to yours, possibly even wider apart as it’s a bigger boat, but still way too close to the centre line to provide the turning forces you get on a cat. We actually do the opposite, for example when turning to port, we use the port motor to push more water over the rudder, and run the stbd motor in astern to reduce boat speed and make a tighter turn. When going astern we find we can make minor course alterations using the motors to ‘pull’ the hull to port or stbd, but only really to keep her on a straight course, with long slow turns possible, but nothing close to the control a cat has with two engines very widely spaced apart. I fear you will lose a lot of manoeuvrability not having the prop in front of the rudder and may want to consider a bow thruster, similar to how boats with twin rudders have to rely on them for the same reasons.
Uma is only 36'. Bow thrusters are way OTT for berthing a vessel of this size. Dock lines and handling skills are better to adopt / develop and don't load the already hungry onboard electric systems.
I agree with not normally needing a bow thruster, my own 40’ does not have one, but none of you have any experience handing a boat with twin electric motors offset from the rudder, I do and was just sharing my 4 years of experience on such a vessel - it will not handle like a cat which is what they are expecting, and they will need to do the opposite as I explained . The boat I skipper with electric motors does also not have a bow thruster and is a nightmare to dock as a result.
I fail to see how one engine in forward and one in reverse wld not result in the boat to turn around its axis. So please tell me what happens to yours when you do so.
When torqueing a ring formation of bolts you want to use a star pattern just like you'd do with putting on lug nuts with a tire. Probably doesn't matter as much with this install but it's a thing. Beautiful work as usual.
I would say it does matter as the alignment of the drive will not be the same as the measurement with the laser so the drive won't be setup as per the original aligment if the ring is high on one side (the first couple of bolts torqued) vs. the last
@@Nilezy Good point! I'm sure Dan will double check the alignment; now that you mention it it might even be more critical in this sort of low-torque application because it won't tend to conform to the base as much.
For wheel lugs on a vehicle, it is tight enough to transmit the torque, both acceleration and braking without any slippage, along with not distorting the brake rotor or stretching the bolts/studs beyond yield. For this I would have first tightened to a very low torque, just enough to squeeze out the sealant from the "high spots", wait 48 hours for the sealant to harden, then torque to spec.
@@johndavidwolf4239 Great point. You understand the point of my post; if you don't tighten them in an opposing bolt pattern (star works as well as anything) you can end up with a pinch situation where the bolted piece doesn't sit flat/parallel.
15:10 it would fair to mention at this point that since your engines are not behind the keel, they’re also no longer *protected* by the keel should you hit something.
How do Ocean Volts work on Catamarans ? Catamarans are famous for not having keels and going fast , did the company design them to be easily damaged without forward protection ? We have seen a couple of ocean volt cats in this series so it is a valid use case.
The more you rely on solar, the closer to the equator you need to be; Navigating the higher latitudes do not provide a lot of sun to charge batteries. On the contrary the wind generator will help up north but not much so in the south as we normally seek calm anchorages. Not planning for a backup generator is a mistake. If you are sailing 5 % of the time and spending 95% at anchor, the regen function will be of little help in the overall sailing picture. That being said I like your videos and the way you work on your project. Cheers, Richard
Great video guys. Check the cap head machine screws which you used to fix down the motor flanges, two of them looked like they have not compressed the spring washers. Perhaps just the editing? or the flange is not secured properly, even if you torqued them to spec if the spring washers are not compressed this would indicate that either they have bottomed out in the hole or you have not fully threaded the internal aluminium plate. Love the idea of the twin motors. Re-gen and manoeuvring will be awesome 👍
Just a thought . …. I didn’t see a flat washer under the spring washer. I was taught to install one between spring and surface, especially if you’re bolting a ‘soft’ material like Aluminium. Having said that, I haven’t finished watching the entire video. (Pretty much up to date with the other 400+!😊). PS What an awesome job you’re doing !
Excited to see how it all works out. I've seen a lot of folks having issues with their electronic components failing lately (quality control issues or maybe installation issues? ) so hoping you keep things as simple and easy to diagnose and repair as possible. As an owner of a 36 foot trawler with two small diesels, I definitely know about the ease of maneuverability in tight confines. You'll love it!
You two are an inspiration! Sailors are always finding excuses for staying with the most conservative choice. So cool that you keep pushing and testing how to sail sustainable.
Uma hi from Calgary. Really primo glasswork and motor mount installation under less than perfect weather conditions. However as per usual you were patient and found a way, gotta love quality workmanship. Going to be another refit winner. Really respect you choosing to work with the bones of Uma and not following the crowd to new hulls.
hi guys.... 5 years ago thanks to you I learned that it's possible think diffenrent, make somenthing new and find a way that it fits to me, and now after 5 years of work when my project it's done you guys are working to make exatly what I made on my boat.... i'm happy an proud... good luck...
We went all electric with pur van build. 20kWh using ecoflow's LIFEPO4 batteries (the 100Ah ones, in 4S4P) and redundant BMS. Instead of poiring money into integrated batteries I used simple isolation detection and temperature sensing to keep things within the battery onboard BMS parameters. It doubled our capacity for cost. Would be glad to share my notes.
Apples vs Oranges. I run 4 - 200ah Lynac Lithiums in my Nomad Van. I can last for a week without sun. What they are doing is absolutely insane and a huge waste of money With Batteries they are putting over $100,000 into propulsion on a $10,000 boat.
Wow ! Beautiful job installing the motor supports , I think you did a better job then a factory build, going all electric is the future and best for a sailboat , just wish you had more wood on your furniture, I like a wood interior 🤷🏻♂️ I had a 35’ sailboat for years with a yammer engine no problems but it was the normal for back when !
Bonjour à tous les deux, avant je n'avais que les images, ne parlant pas anglais, maintenant que s'est traduit en français, c'est le top. Bon courage pour la suite.
Great video as usual! For your future solar panels, it might be worth looking into Oxford PV's tandem solar cells that combine perovskite and silicon materials, achieving efficiency levels exceeding 30%. Their factory is in Brandenburg an der Havel, about 70 kilometers west of Berlin. Their panels might fit nicely into your plans to go all electric. Unfortunately, widespread availability to the general public may be limited, but worth the wait.
Redundancy in power supplies - new solar, new wind, dual feathering propellers. Some additional regeneration questions - boat speed and distance travelled. Day sailing vs longer passages (weeks) like ocean crossing. ROI, return on investment - cost benefit vs payback. How much impact does extreme cold conditions (water, inside the boat and external air temperatures) have on the battery systems?
Wind gen is small, formula is 40% max from sweep area/2 x density x velocity cubed. Same for water but the density is about 1000000 times more for water.
Lovely to see you back after the 'festivities' which bring us a tad nearer to launching, maybe ! With absolutely no knowledge of your electrical system whatsoever a word of caution, from watching other channels, some of the boating couples have had issues. However as you too are so brainy, I'm sure you have everything covered x
Strongly consider maximizing your Total Effective Insulation: Total Effective Insulation = Conventional Insulation + Reflective Insulation + Draft Minimization Thick, closed-cell foam covered on both sides with aluminized mylar provides the best total effective insulation, but there are two condensation surfaces with which you must contend. The exterior reflective surface at or below the waterline isn't necessary as ocean water is very rarely more than a few degrees warmer than ambient comfortable cabin temp. On the other hand, IR reflection and insulation are must in the cabin ceiling, which is beaten with sunlight by day and exposed to chilly nights. What is your insulation plan? Hey! Another video!
Love how boating / live aboard folks are really the pioneers of alternative power generation. From the high cost cats to the budgeted average sailors . The tech has really found a perfect niche to be put to task in constant use and monitoring. From regens to solar panels, inverters,batteries and so on . To be able to collect the data then say “ how can we do better” just pushes innovation.
Probably, because the maximum speed of a boat usually depends on the length of it's hull. So for small boats with displacement hulls it doesn't make sense to put on more motors and thus have more weight and less usable space and higher costs.
Actually I have found resin work in cold weather can have the advantage that if you preheat that which you are applying the resin to (in this case your hull), you get a longer "pot life" while once it is applied, it hardens faster.
When you use sealant, spray some fairy liquid diluted with water in a spray bottle over the sealant. You can scrape the sealant with a tool or your finger and get a nice finish. The open end of the sealant tube can be used as a tool to collect the sealant and keep it all clean. Love watching you both, like all the detail's of how it's all done.
Wow...this is getting exciting.. Twin sail drives,, cant wait to see the results. Loving the full electric. You guys are doing an amazing job, both with the build & videos. Keep up the great work, cheers!
7:35 I feel like i am obligated to point out: These springwashers don´t do anything and are no longer seen as proper way to secure screws. btw. nice Idea with the split screen.
We installed an Allpowers r4000 on our 32 foot NAB which we stay on in winter weekends in The Netherlands. It can deliver 4000 watts and has a 3600 Wh battery inside. So with a 2000watt electric heater we can’t even warm our boat for 2 hours… It’s great for cooking, not for heating. When docked that is not a problem because there is shore power. But otherwise? … I hope you lovely people will insulate your boat like crazy. PS: we love our airfryer. no frying oil, and making ‘kaizer’ breads are perfect… Not many people seem to realize what convenience 220volt means for the modern world we live in. And what it takes to sustain our modern lifestyle. I am afraid you will need to install a heatpump system which takes heat from the surrounding SALT water under your keel… That would triple the effectiveness of your electric capacity. But still most important thing to do is INSULATE YOUR BOAT LIKE DOOMSDAY IS COMING. GOOD LUCK.
In the tropics, insulation is good to have too. They have been in really cold climate for a long time. And are likely going to back. And a heatpump can be reverse cycle…. So it can work as an airco too.
You continue to impress with your work ethic, design and editing skill and moral compass, I wish you well for your journey through 25. Being mobile, independant from our so called leaders will tide you well whilst the rest of us brace ourselves for the stupidity of it all! Love your work!
Guys ,I suspect the ‘foaming’ you were getting in the cold epoxy was from the viscosity getting so high from the cold that the bubbles would not come out of the resin. Some heat and a good metal bubble buster roller might have saved the day . ( instead of the heavy nap paint type ) . You would still have needed to keep warm to cure . Cheers Warren
Fist time commenter (watched all you vids... awesome) long time sailor (40+ years). I would highly recommend you keep a small gas portable gen for the 0h Sh1t moments.
nice to see your oceanvolt installation got sorted .. laser aligned, it doesn't get any better than that .your space heater re kindled my 60 years ago memories .looking good .coming together nicely .can,t wait for 423..
Nice split screen shots from the inside and outside at the same time. Took some time before my brain processed what it saw 😮😊. Wonderful approach on your propulsion and charging set up. I am already curious about how that will turn out IRL. Wish you a verry Good, Healthy, and Successful New Year, with love from a cold Sweden. 😊
After moving to a catamaran and having experienced catastrophic diesel engine failure on a monohull in the past, I've always felt much safer with the redundancy. I think this is a wonderful solution for folks traveling as far off-grid as you two do! I often wonder how diesel and electric (the total system) compare in terms of failure modes and the potential for end-users to self-repair those systems. I'm certain diesel has more points of failure, but we've learned to address many or most of them, even while at sea. Electric motors seem much less likely to fail, but when they do, they feel almost unrepairable. Either way, redundancy is key and I'm excited to see this project progress!
_Tally Ho_ is hybrid now - beautiful installation, they don't appear to be using the electric portion and haven't mentioned re-gen at all since launch. I think they'd have been in trouble without their diesel. Hybrid all the way if redundancy is the goal!
@@dancarter482 the Wynns have a hybrid system and it is sooo complex. They experienced a failure mode where the charging system destroyed both starter batteries. Hybrid sounds temping but looking at the electrical systems it feels dangerously complicated when implemented.
You cannot find anything as tried , tested and reliable as todays Diesel engines. That electric system will be scrap parts in 15 years when my Beta Marine Diesel has about 1000 hours on it. With any Combustion Engine a little preventative maintenance and it will last 60+ years Easily. Look how many old diesels still plug along after being made in the 50'-80's. Detroit Diesels are the prime example. How many farmers you see riding Electric Tractors out on the Harvest ?? 😂
@@NomadSurvivor Yeah, I agree. I *want* to love hybrid and electric sailboats, I own a Tesla, so I've bought into the electric market. __However__ One thing that is 100% true about your statement is that batteries are a *consumable*. They get worse over time. They will need to be replaced. This is not such a big deal when you are talking about a couple starter batteries, but with hybrid or all electric, it is not trivial! It was wild watching sailors try and deal with Lithium fumes on a boat from an overcharged battery. Mistakes and accidents will happen, and having lots of electronics and batteries around has got to come with risks.
Also drill through the fiberglass with a bolt sized drill, then through the aluminum with a tap drill, fiberglass dulls ALL steel tools. For tapping aluminum, kerosene aka; lamp oil, paraffin oil, paint thinner even "bacon grease", lard and cooking oil all work well.
Love your channel. I’m on a similar page with a small Farrier trimaran, moving to all-electric with a torqeedo outboard (thought about twin outboards), induction burner, sailing/rowing dinghy. Batteries from solidstatemarine are mighty tempting (but $$$). Key to making this work is good sailing performance and avoiding tight schedules.
The air temp doesn't matter as much, what matters the most is the temperature of the boat. You could have gotten away with a smaller heater, maybe kerosene, and put it in the boat. As the boat heats, the air in contact with it will also heat. The reason the temperature immediately dropped the moment you turned the heater off is because you only heated the air. With the boat still cold, it would suck the heat out of the epoxy slowing the reaction. While it didn't happen this time, it could even completely stall the reaction like with the first attempt. Also, when using a liquid gasket. If you wait for the silicon or rubber to partially cure before fully tightening the bolts, it makes an even better seal.
the thing about the way you're designing your power/propulsion system is that you are free to do basically whatever you want with it. with solar and TWO props regenerating into the batteries you could probably run a 12/24V aircon unit on the regular most days on an active sail. if you decide to add a genset later because you'll be going into cold/cloudy/calm regions and want to make sure you'll have the power for electric heat, the extra work involved is basically... nothing. all you need is the generator, hooked up to your batteries. done. I'm sure you'll have a socket for shore power; could hook up to that or just buy some heavy-duty cables that can handle the amps in DC if you want to forgo AC/DC conversion. if it were me and I were building in the Mediterranean like this, hell yeah I would forget the genset for now, you can always add one later if you need it.
With the issues other sailing channels are having with newly built electric boats. Your DIY approach seems like the more logical way of doing things. Seems like more proven technologies in the refit market than in new builds. Can't wait to see how things preform once you're back in the water.
You two are really amazing! I feel like I am part of a duo of energy pioneers showing everyone the future of sailing and its possibilities. I love how you will have a had a hand in on every square inch of this boat when you get back out there again.😮😮 Now, if you could find a way to treat your grey water holding to make it completely clean before you dump it?😅🤷🏼♀️. I suppose septic tank users have products to add that help, such as ‘green gobbler’ that completely breaks down the waste. Maybe that wasn’t so hard after all. Yea, I had to go there.😂😂❤. So, when are you going to be back in the water then?😂🤣🎆🥂 Oh yea, Happy New Year! PS - thanks for the heater safety tips.🤗👍 😊
I am on my way to Maldives from Thailand, the passage is looking like next to no wind. Perhaps 500 to 600 nm miles of motoring with my diesel motors ( catamaran) I have 2,000 ah of lithium and know that no battery system boat will be able to complete this passage. Safety concerns rule out your system. As an electrician and engineer I will always be in debt to the people that have the ambition and cash to push the envelope. Good on you and while you’re toiling away with your build, I understand it’s your job and you do it well. Much love from Thailand ❤ Scott and Kat
Similar background and I just posted my thoughts very much along what you have stated. I hate to say it but I just feel it wont work in adverse or prolonged cruise conditions.
I’m always impressed with people taking the lead and trying new technologies That said I can do the math and offshore it still makes no sense You can sail offshore without engines but to have engines and no fuel, diesel or electric would be crazy
Hi, I am really like the idea of going all electric, hope it will work. Only one observation, because you moved motors sideways, maybe it's a good idea to add some kind of protection.
Happy New Year, Kika and Dan. Thank you for the interesting and inspiring videos from two intelligent, courageous, innovative, and adventurous sailors - one handsome and one beautiful.
Nice edit with the split screen guys
*YES*, that was brilliant!!!
Lovvvvved that at 3:38!
I never comment on any of these but that split screen shot of the fiberglass layout was just fantastic.
6:38 For future reference, the correct tap to use on a blind hole(aka Closed-end hole) with soft material, is a spiral fluted tap. Unlike the tap that was used, a spiral fluted tap is designed to break the chips from the cut threads and lift them out of the hole(just like a normal drill bit) instead of trying to push the chips down and out of a through hole. They also make a tapered tap which aids in getting the tap(and thus the threads) started squared and true to the hole and third kind called a bottoming tap which as the name suggest, is for cutting threads down close to the bottom of the hole. These little details matter a lot more for power tapping but, it does make hand tapping a lot easier too.
This is great info. Copying this down, thank you!
They were NOT a blind holes, as behind the aluminum plate, there was at least one bolt diameter of foam, plus the aluminum plate appeared to me to be no more than one bolt diameter thick for that a straight flute tap is fine.
It’s fun to follow Uma as a test bed for these systems, and it’s a pleasure to watch the videos as you progress ❤
Hmm.
Yes, it can be fun to learn from the mistakes made by others. It's certainly preferable to paying the price for those mistakes ourselves.
I agree 100%. They can do these sorts of experimentation because of their success as documentarians on TH-cam, and I've really enjoyed watching their channel from the start, when they experimented with the copper coating on Uma (It seems like yesterday).
@ Yes it’s amazing to see how some products work in real world conditions. They hinted at a wind 💨 power system in the future, and they were experimenting with a turbine earlier. Really good stuff from this channel. It’s wonderful to see the quality of their work and the design they put into each part of Uma.
They are copyng this setup from that charter/rental boat, experimenting?
After so many years watching you guys what comes to my mind is all that energy you have to do so much comes from the fuel of the love you have for each other. You are amazing.
Split screening side/outside…hell yeah!!
No kidding! Reached to comment the second this went off!
Awesome
Really pleasant experience witnessing both of you working together but in opposite inside outside locations simultaneously. It’s what makes yall sparkle in video land. Thanks for new perspectives within this exciting transformation of your floating home.
The split-screen glass work effect was excellent. Clever. Nicely done!
I love what you’re doing with Uma! There are many boats like her and it’s nice to know they can be saved, rebuilt and have a new life. 😊
When you are in temperate climates all electric is a good plan. If you go back to the arctic type weather you may wish to rethink your heater. A diesel heating system installed but not filling the tank could be a redundancy worth considering.
Famous last words " We didn't think we would need it" seems to pop in my mind. ....... enjoy
I doubt they will be headed back to the arctic any time soon. They spent a lot of time up there.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 They talked about entering the Southern Latitude's at one time.... Even so the East Coast of the U.S. and Canada (eh) can get nippy at times. Just sayin' .................enjoy
Diesel generator to charge the batteries to run the heater?
@@sergekeyser No........ Auxiliary heat only is what I said...... Boy Scout motto and Murfree's Law may apply ........
If they have a wind turbine and regen from sailing that gives them some very good options on cloudy days. Also, they can plan for the weather. If there's no energy available they just won't do any major passages.
What's great about you two is that you are technology pioneers. You're pushing the envelope for the future of sailing. Showing what is possible for the rest of us. I look forward to watching how this works for you.
I imagine that solar panels have gotten quite a bit better since they've been sailing.
rather them than me lols
No sun for days. No wind for wings = depleted batteries. Now you're a bobber.
Diesel motor and fuel are more reliable and less taxing on earth natural resources. Try adding up what goes into making all of the resources needed for a battery powered boat. Then how often you have to fix or replace them.
@@mattsuser I've seen some debate about whether the all-EV economy is all it's cracked up to be. Our grid will never be able to handle everyone having all electric vehicles and also there's the argument that hybrid vehicles are actually better overall for carbon footprint. We are also seeing the damage wind and solar farms do to wildlife, but you can't deny that fossil fuels are changing the planet for the worse also. It's a conundrum. I think more nuclear has to be part of the solution.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Yes, nuclear very good and getting better all the time. I challenge you to find how much carbon dioxide we add to the world compared to all other process of the Earth.
Hey guys, I occasionally skipper a 40’ monohull with twin electric motors, so have some experience manoeuvring. The props are a similar spacing to yours, possibly even wider apart as it’s a bigger boat, but still way too close to the centre line to provide the turning forces you get on a cat. We actually do the opposite, for example when turning to port, we use the port motor to push more water over the rudder, and run the stbd motor in astern to reduce boat speed and make a tighter turn. When going astern we find we can make minor course alterations using the motors to ‘pull’ the hull to port or stbd, but only really to keep her on a straight course, with long slow turns possible, but nothing close to the control a cat has with two engines very widely spaced apart. I fear you will lose a lot of manoeuvrability not having the prop in front of the rudder and may want to consider a bow thruster, similar to how boats with twin rudders have to rely on them for the same reasons.
Uma is only 36'. Bow thrusters are way OTT for berthing a vessel of this size. Dock lines and handling skills are better to adopt / develop and don't load the already hungry onboard electric systems.
@@antc5010 Yeah something tells me they will figure out a way to use the two props optimally for docking just fine.
I agree with not normally needing a bow thruster, my own 40’ does not have one, but none of you have any experience handing a boat with twin electric motors offset from the rudder, I do and was just sharing my 4 years of experience on such a vessel - it will not handle like a cat which is what they are expecting, and they will need to do the opposite as I explained . The boat I skipper with electric motors does also not have a bow thruster and is a nightmare to dock as a result.
@@geoffhigginbottom5670interesting, thanks for the input
I fail to see how one engine in forward and one in reverse wld not result in the boat to turn around its axis. So please tell me what happens to yours when you do so.
I admire how ambitious you guys are! Love watching you guys build.
When torqueing a ring formation of bolts you want to use a star pattern just like you'd do with putting on lug nuts with a tire. Probably doesn't matter as much with this install but it's a thing. Beautiful work as usual.
I would say it does matter as the alignment of the drive will not be the same as the measurement with the laser so the drive won't be setup as per the original aligment if the ring is high on one side (the first couple of bolts torqued) vs. the last
@@Nilezy Good point! I'm sure Dan will double check the alignment; now that you mention it it might even be more critical in this sort of low-torque application because it won't tend to conform to the base as much.
For wheel lugs on a vehicle, it is tight enough to transmit the torque, both acceleration and braking without any slippage, along with not distorting the brake rotor or stretching the bolts/studs beyond yield. For this I would have first tightened to a very low torque, just enough to squeeze out the sealant from the "high spots", wait 48 hours for the sealant to harden, then torque to spec.
@@johndavidwolf4239 Great point. You understand the point of my post; if you don't tighten them in an opposing bolt pattern (star works as well as anything) you can end up with a pinch situation where the bolted piece doesn't sit flat/parallel.
15:10 it would fair to mention at this point that since your engines are not behind the keel, they’re also no longer *protected* by the keel should you hit something.
that big old KEEL protrudes well below the Ocean Volts. I dismissed commenting on exactly that . . Good thinking .
i was wondering about a healed over vessel lifting one of the engines out of the water and loosing traction?
How do Ocean Volts work on Catamarans ? Catamarans are famous for not having keels and going fast , did the company design them to be easily damaged without forward protection ? We have seen a couple of ocean volt cats in this series so it is a valid use case.
If it is hitted you have a big hole in the boat. Hope you have a big kork with you.
@ catamarans absolutely do have keels, but they don’t serve all the same purposes as on monohulls.
Fabulous work guys. Jim Rodgers
Glad your going with the trifecta and including wind generation in the plan. I'm looking forward to seeing what it will be.
Man, I love how ingenious you guys are. Always clever solutions to challenging problems.
The more you rely on solar, the closer to the equator you need to be; Navigating the higher latitudes do not provide a lot of sun to charge batteries. On the contrary the wind generator will help up north but not much so in the south as we normally seek calm anchorages. Not planning for a backup generator is a mistake.
If you are sailing 5 % of the time and spending 95% at anchor, the regen function will be of little help in the overall sailing picture.
That being said I like your videos and the way you work on your project. Cheers, Richard
It is dependent on the season, on the Arctic Circle you get 24 hours of sun on summer solstice.
Great filming. Especially split screen!
Great video guys. Check the cap head machine screws which you used to fix down the motor flanges, two of them looked like they have not compressed the spring washers. Perhaps just the editing? or the flange is not secured properly, even if you torqued them to spec if the spring washers are not compressed this would indicate that either they have bottomed out in the hole or you have not fully threaded the internal aluminium plate. Love the idea of the twin motors. Re-gen and manoeuvring will be awesome 👍
Just a thought . …. I didn’t see a flat washer under the spring washer. I was taught to install one between spring and surface, especially if you’re bolting a ‘soft’ material like Aluminium. Having said that, I haven’t finished watching the entire video. (Pretty much up to date with the other 400+!😊). PS What an awesome job you’re doing !
You two are absolute legends! Laying out the sailboat system of the future!!!
Excited to see how it all works out. I've seen a lot of folks having issues with their electronic components failing lately (quality control issues or maybe installation issues? ) so hoping you keep things as simple and easy to diagnose and repair as possible. As an owner of a 36 foot trawler with two small diesels, I definitely know about the ease of maneuverability in tight confines. You'll love it!
You two are an inspiration! Sailors are always finding excuses for staying with the most conservative choice. So cool that you keep pushing and testing how to sail sustainable.
Uma hi from Calgary. Really primo glasswork and motor mount installation under less than perfect weather conditions. However as per usual you were patient and found a way, gotta love quality workmanship. Going to be another refit winner. Really respect you choosing to work with the bones of Uma and not following the crowd to new hulls.
hi guys.... 5 years ago thanks to you I learned that it's possible think diffenrent, make somenthing new and find a way that it fits to me, and now after 5 years of work when my project it's done you guys are working to make exatly what I made on my boat.... i'm happy an proud... good luck...
"The boat you have and making the best of it" - I like that, its called sustainable thinking 😊
We went all electric with pur van build. 20kWh using ecoflow's LIFEPO4 batteries (the 100Ah ones, in 4S4P) and redundant BMS. Instead of poiring money into integrated batteries I used simple isolation detection and temperature sensing to keep things within the battery onboard BMS parameters. It doubled our capacity for cost. Would be glad to share my notes.
Apples vs Oranges.
I run 4 - 200ah Lynac Lithiums in my Nomad Van. I can last for a week without sun. What they are doing is absolutely insane and a huge waste of money
With Batteries they are putting over $100,000 into propulsion on a $10,000 boat.
@NomadSurvivor you paid 3K for 10kWh and I got 20kWh for that. I think I like my judgment better.
What, Split Screen! You two are so clever. Thanks for making the effort.
Happy New Year UMA. Boat rebuilding looking outstanding.
Wow ! Beautiful job installing the motor supports , I think you did a better job then a factory build, going all electric is the future and best for a sailboat , just wish you had more wood on your furniture, I like a wood interior 🤷🏻♂️ I had a 35’ sailboat for years with a yammer engine no problems but it was the normal for back when !
Bonjour à tous les deux, avant je n'avais que les images, ne parlant pas anglais, maintenant que s'est traduit en français, c'est le top. Bon courage pour la suite.
Great video as usual! For your future solar panels, it might be worth looking into Oxford PV's tandem solar cells that combine perovskite and silicon materials, achieving efficiency levels exceeding 30%. Their factory is in Brandenburg an der Havel, about 70 kilometers west of Berlin. Their panels might fit nicely into your plans to go all electric. Unfortunately, widespread availability to the general public may be limited, but worth the wait.
Redundancy in power supplies - new solar, new wind, dual feathering propellers. Some additional regeneration questions - boat speed and distance travelled. Day sailing vs longer passages (weeks) like ocean crossing. ROI, return on investment - cost benefit vs payback. How much impact does extreme cold conditions (water, inside the boat and external air temperatures) have on the battery systems?
First off, I wish you guys a beautiful New Year and also much succes with rebuilding and refitting Uma. Greetings, Frank.
Wind gen is small, formula is 40% max from sweep area/2 x density x velocity cubed. Same for water but the density is about 1000000 times more for water.
Lovely to see you back after the 'festivities' which bring us a tad nearer to launching, maybe ! With absolutely no knowledge of your electrical system whatsoever a word of caution, from watching other channels, some of the boating couples have had issues. However as you too are so brainy, I'm sure you have everything covered x
Cant wait for this to be done. Miss yall out on the water.
Strongly consider maximizing your Total Effective Insulation:
Total Effective Insulation = Conventional Insulation + Reflective Insulation + Draft Minimization
Thick, closed-cell foam covered on both sides with aluminized mylar provides the best total effective insulation, but there are two condensation surfaces with which you must contend.
The exterior reflective surface at or below the waterline isn't necessary as ocean water is very rarely more than a few degrees warmer than ambient comfortable cabin temp.
On the other hand, IR reflection and insulation are must in the cabin ceiling, which is beaten with sunlight by day and exposed to chilly nights.
What is your insulation plan? Hey! Another video!
Ooohhhh.... nice editing dual screen
Love how boating / live aboard folks are really the pioneers of alternative power generation. From the high cost cats to the budgeted average sailors . The tech has really found a perfect niche to be put to task in constant use and monitoring. From regens to solar panels, inverters,batteries and so on . To be able to collect the data then say “ how can we do better” just pushes innovation.
Makes a lot of sense! Not sure why this is usually a bigger sized boat thing! 2 regenerative motors are always a plus to have!
Probably, because the maximum speed of a boat usually depends on the length of it's hull. So for small boats with displacement hulls it doesn't make sense to put on more motors and thus have more weight and less usable space and higher costs.
Never give up ! Not even the weather could stop the progress...you pressed on regardless ! Wishing you both the very best 2025 has to offer !
I second that!😊
You def had fun lining up the torque wrench click with the music track.
Anything you guys do is so well designed and well engineered that it is impressive to watch. 👍👍
Actually I have found resin work in cold weather can have the advantage that if you preheat that which you are applying the resin to (in this case your hull), you get a longer "pot life" while once it is applied, it hardens faster.
3:35 - Excellent Edit! 👍👍👍👍👍👍
When you use sealant, spray some fairy liquid diluted with water in a spray bottle over the sealant. You can scrape the sealant with a tool or your finger and get a nice finish. The open end of the sealant tube can be used as a tool to collect the sealant and keep it all clean. Love watching you both, like all the detail's of how it's all done.
I've been searching for a new word I could use and Kika You Gave it to me. "Electronicol" I love it!
I love how you guys take the time to properly prep your work! It's like poetry. And that split video view was really Cool! Nicely done.
Best of luck guys. You've put a lot of work into this project.
Propane heaters, tarps, acetone, and a bit of chaos... this is the DIY boat life! 😅
Glad you are on-plan to binge-watch this whole 400 plus series, the best on You Tube, IMHO.
Start at Step 1. Plan it out so you can truly binge a lot at a time, a few hours. It is so FUN to watch at lot of videos at one time!!
Cooking with induction and 2kw is really Enough 😉 exemple : 300 W enough for Pasta.Unless you want to sear a rib steak at 3.5 kwatts.
Wow...this is getting exciting.. Twin sail drives,, cant wait to see the results. Loving the full electric. You guys are doing an amazing job, both with the build & videos. Keep up the great work, cheers!
Your boat is going to be SO cool, safe and reliable with all your creature comforts. Brilliant job.
... clever editing (as always) - very clear what you are doing seeing the glassing inside and out at the same time...
7:35 I feel like i am obligated to point out: These springwashers don´t do anything and are no longer seen as proper way to secure screws.
btw. nice Idea with the split screen.
That inside/outside edit was awesome!!! Kudos.
Love you're aiming power of Mother Nature! Keep going. I love your dreams!
We installed an Allpowers r4000 on our 32 foot NAB which we stay on in winter weekends in The Netherlands. It can deliver 4000 watts and has a 3600 Wh battery inside. So with a 2000watt electric heater we can’t even warm our boat for 2 hours…
It’s great for cooking, not for heating.
When docked that is not a problem because there is shore power. But otherwise? …
I hope you lovely people will insulate your boat like crazy.
PS: we love our airfryer. no frying oil, and making ‘kaizer’ breads are perfect…
Not many people seem to realize what convenience 220volt means for the modern world we live in.
And what it takes to sustain our modern lifestyle.
I am afraid you will need to install a heatpump system which takes heat from the surrounding SALT water under your keel…
That would triple the effectiveness of your electric capacity.
But still most important thing to do is INSULATE YOUR BOAT LIKE DOOMSDAY IS COMING.
GOOD LUCK.
But what if they end up in the tropics? Not all of us live in / sail in cold climates.
In the tropics, insulation is good to have too.
They have been in really cold climate for a long time. And are likely going to back.
And a heatpump can be reverse cycle…. So it can work as an airco too.
You continue to impress with your work ethic, design and editing skill and moral compass, I wish you well for your journey through 25. Being mobile, independant from our so called leaders will tide you well whilst the rest of us brace ourselves for the stupidity of it all! Love your work!
You both have given this sail boat LOTS OF LOVE over the course you have owned if ..
Hi, i like your way of thinking of increased manoeuvrability and a simplified power grid.excellent video.
Guys ,I suspect the ‘foaming’ you were getting in the cold epoxy was from the viscosity getting so high from the cold that the bubbles would not come out of the resin. Some heat and a good metal bubble buster roller might have saved the day . ( instead of the heavy nap paint type ) .
You would still have needed to keep warm to cure .
Cheers Warren
Fist time commenter (watched all you vids... awesome) long time sailor (40+ years). I would highly recommend you keep a small gas portable gen for the 0h Sh1t moments.
nice to see your oceanvolt installation got sorted .. laser aligned, it doesn't get any better than that .your space heater re kindled my 60 years ago memories .looking good .coming together nicely .can,t wait for 423..
This channel completly gets inside my head! I am genuinely excited when a bolt gets torqued to the correct setting. What have you guys done to me.
Nice split screen shots from the inside and outside at the same time. Took some time before my brain processed what it saw 😮😊. Wonderful approach on your propulsion and charging set up. I am already curious about how that will turn out IRL. Wish you a verry Good, Healthy, and Successful New Year, with love from a cold Sweden. 😊
After moving to a catamaran and having experienced catastrophic diesel engine failure on a monohull in the past, I've always felt much safer with the redundancy. I think this is a wonderful solution for folks traveling as far off-grid as you two do!
I often wonder how diesel and electric (the total system) compare in terms of failure modes and the potential for end-users to self-repair those systems. I'm certain diesel has more points of failure, but we've learned to address many or most of them, even while at sea. Electric motors seem much less likely to fail, but when they do, they feel almost unrepairable.
Either way, redundancy is key and I'm excited to see this project progress!
_Tally Ho_ is hybrid now - beautiful installation, they don't appear to be using the electric portion and haven't mentioned re-gen at all since launch. I think they'd have been in trouble without their diesel. Hybrid all the way if redundancy is the goal!
@@dancarter482 the Wynns have a hybrid system and it is sooo complex. They experienced a failure mode where the charging system destroyed both starter batteries. Hybrid sounds temping but looking at the electrical systems it feels dangerously complicated when implemented.
You cannot find anything as tried , tested and reliable as todays Diesel engines. That electric system will be scrap parts in 15 years when my Beta Marine Diesel has about 1000 hours on it. With any Combustion Engine a little preventative maintenance and it will last 60+ years Easily.
Look how many old diesels still plug along after being made in the 50'-80's.
Detroit Diesels are the prime example.
How many farmers you see riding Electric Tractors out on the Harvest ??
😂
@@NomadSurvivor Yeah, I agree. I *want* to love hybrid and electric sailboats, I own a Tesla, so I've bought into the electric market. __However__
One thing that is 100% true about your statement is that batteries are a *consumable*. They get worse over time. They will need to be replaced.
This is not such a big deal when you are talking about a couple starter batteries, but with hybrid or all electric, it is not trivial!
It was wild watching sailors try and deal with Lithium fumes on a boat from an overcharged battery. Mistakes and accidents will happen, and having lots of electronics and batteries around has got to come with risks.
Your enthusiasm is a joy to watch - thanks.
Consider to lubricate if tapping or drilling aluminium in the future. Makes it easier, reduces catching and snapping.
Get a can of Tap Magic to make tapping those holes a lot easier and smoother.
Also drill through the fiberglass with a bolt sized drill, then through the aluminum with a tap drill, fiberglass dulls ALL steel tools. For tapping aluminum, kerosene aka; lamp oil, paraffin oil, paint thinner even "bacon grease", lard and cooking oil all work well.
nice to see you guys back
Excited to see how this all works out for you. Really liked the split screen view on the rework bedding. Might be a first for TH-cam.
Love your channel. I’m on a similar page with a small Farrier trimaran, moving to all-electric with a torqeedo outboard (thought about twin outboards), induction burner, sailing/rowing dinghy. Batteries from solidstatemarine are mighty tempting (but $$$). Key to making this work is good sailing performance and avoiding tight schedules.
3:37 - awesome cut ! Have fun in your new sauna!
Great episode!
3:08 Wuss! 😀 Thanks for another fun episode. Loved you guys in 2024, I'm sure 2025 will be even better
I like your architectural approach to boat construction ❤
The air temp doesn't matter as much, what matters the most is the temperature of the boat. You could have gotten away with a smaller heater, maybe kerosene, and put it in the boat. As the boat heats, the air in contact with it will also heat.
The reason the temperature immediately dropped the moment you turned the heater off is because you only heated the air.
With the boat still cold, it would suck the heat out of the epoxy slowing the reaction. While it didn't happen this time, it could even completely stall the reaction like with the first attempt.
Also, when using a liquid gasket. If you wait for the silicon or rubber to partially cure before fully tightening the bolts, it makes an even better seal.
What I love about electric power is it's quietness.
It gets super-quiet when the batteries no longer have enough charge to power the drive motor or even a bilge pump.
@@allanmason3201 good point!
Looking good 🎉 it will handle much differently with the 2 motors. On the sea trial have to practice docking a few times 🎉
the thing about the way you're designing your power/propulsion system is that you are free to do basically whatever you want with it. with solar and TWO props regenerating into the batteries you could probably run a 12/24V aircon unit on the regular most days on an active sail. if you decide to add a genset later because you'll be going into cold/cloudy/calm regions and want to make sure you'll have the power for electric heat, the extra work involved is basically... nothing. all you need is the generator, hooked up to your batteries. done. I'm sure you'll have a socket for shore power; could hook up to that or just buy some heavy-duty cables that can handle the amps in DC if you want to forgo AC/DC conversion. if it were me and I were building in the Mediterranean like this, hell yeah I would forget the genset for now, you can always add one later if you need it.
Soo glad you stuck with the mono great project with twin electric and redundancy probably high on the list of priorities for any boater
3:53 awesome shot.
Nice split screen work!
I think your experiments are very well thought out and I'm looking forward to seeing them in action. Onward
With the issues other sailing channels are having with newly built electric boats. Your DIY approach seems like the more logical way of doing things. Seems like more proven technologies in the refit market than in new builds. Can't wait to see how things preform once you're back in the water.
Gonzo boat building. You guys are crazy. I'm glad you didn't asphyxiate or explode, but it was very fun to watch.
You two are really amazing! I feel like I am part of a duo of energy pioneers showing everyone the future of sailing and its possibilities. I love how you will have a had a hand in on every square inch of this boat when you get back out there again.😮😮 Now, if you could find a way to treat your grey water holding to make it completely clean before you dump it?😅🤷🏼♀️. I suppose septic tank users have products to add that help, such as ‘green gobbler’ that completely breaks down the waste. Maybe that wasn’t so hard after all. Yea, I had to go there.😂😂❤. So, when are you going to be back in the water then?😂🤣🎆🥂 Oh yea, Happy New Year! PS - thanks for the heater safety tips.🤗👍 😊
Really enjoy your videos.. Love the way you guys relate to each other.. Happy New Year! Happy sailings...
I am on my way to Maldives from Thailand, the passage is looking like next to no wind.
Perhaps 500 to 600 nm miles of motoring with my diesel motors ( catamaran) I have 2,000 ah of lithium and know that no battery system boat will be able to complete this passage.
Safety concerns rule out your system.
As an electrician and engineer I will always be in debt to the people that have the ambition and cash to push the envelope.
Good on you and while you’re toiling away with your build, I understand it’s your job and you do it well.
Much love from Thailand ❤
Scott and Kat
Similar background and I just posted my thoughts very much along what you have stated. I hate to say it but I just feel it wont work in adverse or prolonged cruise conditions.
I’m always impressed with people taking the lead and trying new technologies
That said I can do the math and offshore it still makes no sense
You can sail offshore without engines but to have engines and no fuel, diesel or electric would be crazy
Been watching for years no doubt my favorite sailboat content all the others give up and buy a homestead 😂😂😂
Hi, I am really like the idea of going all electric, hope it will work. Only one observation, because you moved motors sideways, maybe it's a good idea to add some kind of protection.
A little protective skeg comes to mind. More surface underneath to collect an undersea garden.
I love you 2. The chemistry is perfect. Never let the world steal that.
Super amazing. Only from the ground up sailors that have not caved and have diesel or a hybrid.
3:35 Great use of split screen.
Happy New Year, Kika and Dan. Thank you for the interesting and inspiring videos from two intelligent, courageous, innovative, and adventurous sailors - one handsome and one beautiful.
Love watching your channel, living the dream through you, seeing we are not all able to do it? 😊
Way to go go guys. I'm building a small yacht I designed that will be all electric too!