Great episode man, there's definitely a world where you could create a patreon or subscription website and make some fettia off of providing this kind of information for beginner and intermediates but personalized
how about how concave affects rockers? i.e., a big concave in the front lowers the stringer rocker while leaving the rail rocker relatively unaffected?
You’re 100% correct. Concave will affect stringer rocker lines while keeping the same rail rocker desired. This can also help with paddle because there is less of a kink in the stinger rocker profile
I'm thinking you need to drop shortboards in videos as we know you are a weapon riding them and maybe start testing midlenghths of the performance side to start with and maybe seeing you in the years to come nose riding 🤗
nose and tail rocker isn't just about a single measurement (as you did in this video). For example, if you take the same board model, as the board gets longer, the nose and tail and rocker measurement will increase.
I’m just an intermediate but I’ll say rocker is by far the biggest thing I notice going between different shapes and probably the number 1 thing for me when picking boards.
Bodyboards have no tail rocker at all and not much nose rocker but that's variable as the boards are much more flexible. I think rocker is more intended to allow longer stiffer boars to make tighter turns like performed on surfboards. The longer it gets the flatness of the board will make the nose grab on turns and lift the tail too much causing pearling. A flat stiff board will be faster down the line but harder to do very tight turns and cutbacks.
i dont at all understand your method for measuring your rail line rocker as shown by setting the board on rail and placing the tape measure near the tip....?? it would still need to be measured in relation to the stringer or "flat" part of the bottom. the rail curve has to be measured in relation to the rail line at the flattest point somewhere near the center (parallel to the stringer) and also perpendicular to the stringer which would really be evident if there's vee. so how much vee shows how much increase in rail rocker side to side, but is complimentary or independent of the stringer line rocker. without vee or roll it would be assumed to follow the rocker curve of the rail. or what am i missing based on your method?
What I’m pointing out is very different from the conventional rail rocker that you are bringing up. I didn’t know what else to call it at the time other then “rail line rocker” but basically what I’m getting at is the curve of the surfboard you use when you tip the board over and ride on rail. Occy talks about making his rails more boxy so that there is actually a planing surface on the side of the board to actually stay afloat so that’s what got me thinking about utilizing the curve of the board on its side when turning. Also look back at some old clips of Andy irons or Joel parkinson or Tom Curran and notice when they’re going a cut back how much of the rail of the surfboard is actually in the water and engaged. Just my take on things could be wrong but I always like to try to think outside the box a little
@ I think I kinda get what you’re getting at. Well at least the concept of a boxy rail reminds me of mostly every performance board in the tail the deck rocker is more or less flat and the rail itself is almost always boxy, evident via the hard edge and no bottom rail tuck. They say that design element is more responsive than a domed deck for example. I feel like that’s kinda separate concept than rocker, unless you just mean deck rocker.
I wasn’t really sure what to call it at the time. Yes it is the curve of the outline but I was trying to get everyone to look at it as a “rocker” profile if the board was ridden on its side. Kind of an odd way to think about it but I do know that true rail rocker is measured vs the stringer rocker profile. Just trying to think outside the box a bit
@@ShralpStories Tip of the hat to you for admitting your mistake, takes a big person to do that. There’s a good opportunity to make another video talking with a more experienced shaper and discussing the proper terminology to help your audience learn.
Wow. Thanks! You taught me something about rail rocker AND the surfing was great. Thanks again, now I have a fresh perspective for boards!
This is right up my alley, can't wait to try and surf a board under 5'
Great episode man, there's definitely a world where you could create a patreon or subscription website and make some fettia off of providing this kind of information for beginner and intermediates but personalized
Could you do a video on forecasting? Seems like you are always scoring good waves 🤙
Oh snap that is a really good idea. I’ll give it a shot!
damn dude ripping on that thing. would love to hop on a donald brink myself one of these days
Love it, makes the standard shortboard look so clunky! How do i get one of these with a foil box added for the ultimate hybrid travel board?
Hit up Donald brink! He loves making different things like that
Are you off your rocker? Actually, that was an interesting analysis of rocker profiles. Thanks!
how about how concave affects rockers? i.e., a big concave in the front lowers the stringer rocker while leaving the rail rocker relatively unaffected?
town and country has a good video explaing this
Yes, you are correct.
@@tblr448 yeah those t&c videos are great
You’re 100% correct. Concave will affect stringer rocker lines while keeping the same rail rocker desired. This can also help with paddle because there is less of a kink in the stinger rocker profile
@@Mongiloyd bahaha I'm started to to think you're surf knowledge fairy godparent
What music,please.
Interesting talking hearing about rail rocker, I feel like I don't hear about rail line a lot with board design
What's the left aft stringer vs right aft stringer volume literage to spheed ratio?
6 or 9 percent tough to tell
I'm thinking you need to drop shortboards in videos as we know you are a weapon riding them and maybe start testing midlenghths of the performance side to start with and maybe seeing you in the years to come nose riding 🤗
nose and tail rocker isn't just about a single measurement (as you did in this video). For example, if you take the same board model, as the board gets longer, the nose and tail and rocker measurement will increase.
This is very true
I’m just an intermediate but I’ll say rocker is by far the biggest thing I notice going between different shapes and probably the number 1 thing for me when picking boards.
I look at rocker on all of the boards I get as well. It’s a big determining factor on how the surfboard works over all
Donny Brink! love it
He’s the master!
Bodyboards have no tail rocker at all and not much nose rocker but that's variable as the boards are much more flexible. I think rocker is more intended to allow longer stiffer boars to make tighter turns like performed on surfboards. The longer it gets the flatness of the board will make the nose grab on turns and lift the tail too much causing pearling. A flat stiff board will be faster down the line but harder to do very tight turns and cutbacks.
Mike Stewart puts tail rock in his boogs brah
Cheers guys , have you tried the asym on your backhand ? ✌🙏
Yeah they work sick! I’ve also tried a goofy foot asym and it worked well for me as a regular foot.
It’s almost as if it’s a gimmicky load of bullshit…
🤔
@@Wrasse-w5e It's great fun riding different styles / designs of boards ! 😊✌🙏
Yeah, kooks love gimmicks.
@@Wrasse-w5ealmost......🎉🎉🎉. Different strokes for different folks! Every thing works! Free your mind 😜😜😜😜
low entry rocker helps for paddling and speed 🤙
i dont at all understand your method for measuring your rail line rocker as shown by setting the board on rail and placing the tape measure near the tip....??
it would still need to be measured in relation to the stringer or "flat" part of the bottom. the rail curve has to be measured in relation to the rail line at the flattest point somewhere near the center (parallel to the stringer) and also perpendicular to the stringer which would really be evident if there's vee. so how much vee shows how much increase in rail rocker side to side, but is complimentary or independent of the stringer line rocker. without vee or roll it would be assumed to follow the rocker curve of the rail. or what am i missing based on your method?
What I’m pointing out is very different from the conventional rail rocker that you are bringing up. I didn’t know what else to call it at the time other then “rail line rocker” but basically what I’m getting at is the curve of the surfboard you use when you tip the board over and ride on rail. Occy talks about making his rails more boxy so that there is actually a planing surface on the side of the board to actually stay afloat so that’s what got me thinking about utilizing the curve of the board on its side when turning. Also look back at some old clips of Andy irons or Joel parkinson or Tom Curran and notice when they’re going a cut back how much of the rail of the surfboard is actually in the water and engaged. Just my take on things could be wrong but I always like to try to think outside the box a little
@ I think I kinda get what you’re getting at. Well at least the concept of a boxy rail reminds me of mostly every performance board in the tail the deck rocker is more or less flat and the rail itself is almost always boxy, evident via the hard edge and no bottom rail tuck. They say that design element is more responsive than a domed deck for example. I feel like that’s kinda separate concept than rocker, unless you just mean deck rocker.
that little board look so fuking funn
You’re using the term “rail rocker” incorrectly. What you’re measuring is the outline. Rail rocker is a different thing.
I wasn’t really sure what to call it at the time. Yes it is the curve of the outline but I was trying to get everyone to look at it as a “rocker” profile if the board was ridden on its side. Kind of an odd way to think about it but I do know that true rail rocker is measured vs the stringer rocker profile. Just trying to think outside the box a bit
Confusion.
@@ShralpStories Tip of the hat to you for admitting your mistake, takes a big person to do that. There’s a good opportunity to make another video talking with a more experienced shaper and discussing the proper terminology to help your audience learn.