How A Pro Player Lost $10,000 By Accidentally Trolling
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League of Legends esports has now existed for well over a decade and has provided many gamers the opportunity to have a career from gaming. However, like all competitions, these esports tournaments have their own rules and sometimes, players simply forget the rules.
From picking the wrong items, forgetting to take smite, everyone makes mistakes. But often times making these mistakes in a professional tournament could lead to suspensions and fines.
Today we look into those mistakes.
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Mhm, to keep track of chat to predict whether your yasuo will run it down or not :D
what coincidence only posting when you get a sponsor then coming up with a pathetic fake excuse for disappearing. unsubbed
when I consider my enemy female I stop drop roll and wield my right. until tha games done and over with. shang!
so basicly cheating imo if its not in base game its not intended to be tracked.
Come on, you can't just ask a Korean player not to be racist, that's like impossible. It's not fair to them
It is insane to me that Riot can fine people for Riot's own incompetency.
Perhaps we should tell Riot to make us immortal and then start fining them whenever we die. Clearly it's their responsibility at that point.
Don't blame them. Its the same with all game companies. I play mtg arena and a few months ago, after an update, a huge bugg was found. Probably one of the worst game-altering buggs I've seen in a competitive online game. A certain cheap equipment in the game, thats supposed to only do 3 dmg to the opponent, suddenly started doing infinite damage and one-shoting people out of nowhere. The game company WoTC instead of actually fixing the bug, decided that they'd rather ban the hundreds of players who happened to abuse it, which is crazy to me.
You have to understand that a lot of those players have sunk thousands of hours and a lot of money into the game. Yet they'd now lose their accounts for a bugg a lot of them only tried out for fun.
@@pointyheadYT Some of these bugs have been in the game for a long time, the water walking ryze bug was a simple fix, but they just didn't bother fixing it, they just said that pros cannot use that rune, even though, without the bug, it's the best rune to use on ryze for that slot.
@@pointyheadYT Its not the same with all game companies at all bro, smite has nothing like this backwards shit lol. They ban players for toxicity and remove bugged items and characters from the game temporarily so they cannot be abused. Thats it.
@@Gongall Breaking news, Riot Games is trash at making well-thought out decisions and balance lol.
One day, riot will kick a pro player because they encounter a bug just by walking
There is a rule in the riot playbook that does not allow ryze to run waterwalking in pro play. Reason is, there was a bug where him getting ap resulted in him getting mana and mana resulting in him getting ap. That infinite loop caused him to gain power and essentially be vastly stronger because the code was not limited to a single loop. Several players got warnings for running it and not knowing about it :) Idk about fines tho. Several EU mids including Nemesis were and Jiizuke were warned for it tho :D
@darkin1484 I know but there is one other bug from a long time ago, I don't remember what it is but the player got banned for using it even though it doesn't give advantage or change anything in the match
Unless the rules stated that "dont take advantage of the bug" then you can do whatever as long as you don't take advantage of it. But if the rules states to "not buy and item" then you don't buy that item. Players not following that simple rule should be fined for A. Low comprehension skills and or B. Well simply being obnoxious.
@nico77212 Yes, but I still feel like any kind of punishment for a bug that can not be avoided is a little bit unfair.
@skywalkerjohn8965 which bug was unavoidable?
Male team banning 5 supports against another male team: "Wow their support player must be a god"
It's worth to mention that in another match of this full female Vaevictis team, their opponent was fined for "prolonging the match".
Riot is a leftist virtue signaling company. Look at their covid measures. They had everyone in their studio in Cali wear masks half a year after the mask mandates were lifted. They advertised for the covid vaccines. And they discriminate against the majority of their playerbase cus "pRoTeCt WaHmEn So MaYbE tHeY tOuCh PeEpEe".
Riot is a disgusting company. They made a great game, but their ultra-progressive stance is disgusting and should be illegal. If you don't break the rules you shouldn't be fined for it.
Absolutely disgusting
That seems far more offensive than banning five supports. Them banning five supports is something I could actually see as being reasonable depending on context. I'm pretty sure it was still just the team being toxic, but it would at least have justifiable defense in the correct scenario.
@@CottidaeSEAdefending riot, how much do you love china? china china china! Tencent! China china!!!
@@dirky1185china ☕
@@dirky1185 how much do you hate china?
Riot: Makes Lux skins instead of fixing bugs.
Pro Player: Encounters Bug
Riot: HOW DARE YOU
It earns more money, generates more hype, and is arguably easier. Sounds like good business decisions to me
bugs occur because they add too many different mechanics that break the already bad game code even more
@pandax5359 leaving your game broken is good business? Hope you never touch game development ever
@@duckamasta6348 If the game works well enough that 99% of players can have decent games most of the time while maximising profits? Sounds good to me.
Also thinking that a game can ever be bug free especially when it's multiplayer and as expansive as league. Hope you never work in programming or any role requiring coding. God forbid you enter any managerial role in any IT firm.
It would hell for you and anyone under you.
@@pandax5359Ok Riot shill
League of Legends has a company and a playerbase that truly do deserve each other.
Those are the same thing?
Very well said.
this
league of legends is not a company.
nobody deserves riot man. the playerbase isn't the worst part. people who complain about the playerbase don't realize that all gamer playerbases are the same.
"Banning 5 Supps against a female team is disrespectful!"
"Are you saying women only play Supps?"
"Well no, but actually yes."
...that is literally what Vaevictis' intends to say by doing that
If you were playing against a black guy and said "cmon, if you win I'll buy you KFC and help you dodge child support", it would be seen as disrespectful even if they didn't fit those stereotypes.
@@FeiFongWangbro. its a role in a videogame... its not that deep
it wasnt that far fetched actually, all 5 members were support mains iirc, they were accurately banning their champ pool.
@@bluewuppo Did I say it was extremely deep and thought provoking? It's just an analogy.
So basically they gave a team a warning for breaking a "rule" that even Riot admitted didn't actually exist.
No. The rule is "intentional disrespect isn't allowed" and everyone knows it was intentional disrespect.
@@Reignor99 they were all support mains... banning their most used champion (with decent wr) is not disrespect it's strategy.... imagine banning trying to win the game then riot complains... sure thing
@@weylyn_luke8972 "Team fined for disrespectful conduct because they banned 5 alien champs against a foreign team"
@@Reignor99if you're sexist enough, you can project and assume ANYTHING that the other team did was intentional disrespect against the female team.
@@weylyn_luke8972 I still think it was intentional disrespect.
The five "support" champs they banned were all in the Vevictus player's most played in ranked. If anything, it wasn't a show of disrespect, but a show they actually took their opponents seriously and studied what they're good at.
No, you don't understand, the team is ALL WOMEN, and so they MUST be allowed to win. We must handicap men in order to give an ALL WOMEN team a chance at winning, because the ALL WOMEN team is incapable of winning on their own! That's how we're going to fix sexism! Wait a second...
I completely agree!
Liar.
The funniest thing about Vaevictus is that all of the girls were, in fact, sup mains. If you went to their stats back in the day, they were all playing support. They were also a team made at the last second including Plat players because the brand had the spot in the tournament but didn't have the players for the team itself, so they made an "all female" team with whoever was up for grabs - which is in fact quite disrespectful to the other pro players who take that as their career.
Since the team didn't know what to ban against them, as none of the girls had any prior pro experience or had ever met them in SoloQ, they just looked up their mains and banned them. It was literally their only valid strategy and they got punished for it.
That makes so much sense. "Noooo, you can't cripple the other team's ability to play by banning their mains!!" If you have a game with well over 100 champions, you can't have a good excuse to only main 1 or 2. What would you do if they ban them all? Lose? They exposed a weakness the other team had and wanted to use it to its fullest. They were there to WIN, not to "give them a fighting chance", which is sorta sexist to assume the all female team is incapable of winning or greatly hindered by a 5 support ban. They were playing with pros, and pros overcome challenges and adapt, which I guess Riot assumed the females were not capable of. Thanks for putting the story in the comments!
@@torrxknight2064
*"If you have a game with well over 100 champions, you can't have a good excuse to only main 1 or 2."*
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I'm pretty sure One-Tricks are indeed a thing.
@@wakkaseta8351 One tricking isnt a viable strategy. Those players do not succeed for long, ever.
@@Gongall they weren't one tricks, iirc at that point there were around 5-6 viable supports in the meta, which was what they found the female players usually played. The other team banned 5 of them and then first picked the 6th.
@@azelynhirano I didnt call anyone a one trick
“They got fined for only banning supports”
Dota2 players: “I don’t understand the problem”
Lmao I was just looking for this. Man I do not play league but I play dota. Saw title of this video and I was like " No way thats the case". Damn if you dont ban supps in dota you just lost xd
@@bornahoracek3354+++
Sometimes it is totally justified to go and straight-up ban five supports, because someone like Omniknight, Ancient Apparition or Earthshaker can be absolutely devastating against some strategies. Just in general, through the past years, role of the support heroes grew to the point that teams without conventional cores can win the game easily, if they would play their cards right. I mean, iirc TI9 was won by Wisp-carry (normally a full-support hero, with basically zero offencive capabilities). I don't know how's LoL works in that regard but in Dota 5-support-ban could be 100% justified
If this happened in Dota, the community would literally... Riot?!
You got me there like how is this a problem
And we have 30 ways of BM and many more under development
I knew Riot was a crappy company, but dang issuing fines to people for not playing the game how you want them to really takes it to a whole new level of degeneracy.
Rito is pretty famous for victim blaming, towards the players and towards their staff.
Riot: Banning pro players for abusive language
Also riot: Provides consistent support to Tyler1
RIOT ACTUALLY BANNED HIM PERMANENTLY
I think streaming league is not the same as professionally playing league. It's the equivalent or close to playing basketball and being a professional nba player.
not since the thing he did in eu (or im pretty sure) and t1 is just that much more important to them ig
wait is tyler1 a pro? fuck what team
A streamer and a professional is way different, also Tyler was banned for a long time
I love how riot and blizzard are the moral leaders of gaming with their companies track record.
They are nazis
They're ironically two of the least moral. Most of the billionaire companies right now are pretty anti-consumer.
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v this plus a million.
I remember making a big deal out of Blizzard hiring Bush administration members and intelligence assets after his presidency and people laughed at me like it was some kind of conspiracy theory
@@Vanity0666 the fact that you're calling them "administration members and intelligence assets" rather than "rat politicians, rat lawyers" etc. suggests that you're thinking of conspiracy theories.
If a pro forgets to take smite or accidentally takes the wrong runes, they should be forced to play like that just like the rest of us.
Oftentimes they are forced to play the game out that way. It's happened a few times before in LoL eSports. It usually comes with a pretty hefty pay cut too because that's a game-losing mistake before leaving champ select.
Well actually the 5 support bans were legit, as they were playing against 4 support mains and a Katarina otp with secondary support on ladder. What else should they have banned, to hurt their opponents good championpool?
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That's what I'd like to know too, specifically on whether or not Vaevictus picked support on either 1 to 3. If they didn't pick support until the 2nd ban phase, then it might be a genuine thoughtful ban by the coach, thinking that the supports are the one that should be targeted. But if they already picked support, then on the 2nd ban phase still banned support champs, that might be what Riot saw as disrespect.
@@haven4304 managed to found the game and the answer is no the support pick was never pick in the first 3 pick they did pick lucian adc and most of the support ban does pair well with lucian
they just did it cuz they Vaevictus was...you know.
@@andrewkelley9405 women 😧
Saying racial slurs across multiple games as well as telling players to die: small fine and 1 game ban
Accidentally forgetting to bring smite: 1 months salary (50-400k USD)
banning 5 support champs when 5 support mains are playing: warning for being sexist
Buying an item accidentally from muscle memory when it should've not been in the game to begin with: Lose that game
Who the fuck comes up with these punishments? Gromp?
No. Gromp is honorable. It's Ryze, because he stopped giving a shit from Riot not knowing how to balance him.
i mean what do you think they should have done in the statik shiv game? just let him keep playing with a bugged item ?
@@CoolGuy-pz5et They have a rewind tool... though thats saved for bugs, and might have influenced the game a bit too much.
@@lv4715 yea another comment said something happened inbetween him buying it and the pause
@@CoolGuy-pz5et literally refund him the money and remove the item from his inventory, it's simple.
Funny how I have never heard of any of this nonsense with Dota. SingSing actively drew penises on the map to indicate to his team to penetrate through that lane. It was not allowed only by some specific tournament sponsors to do this, and fine everywhere else.
Thats the closest I have ever heard of players being monetarily attacked for the company's laziness. Jesus this is pathetic, Riot should just stick with Arcane because they are actually good at that
The company's laziness? Should Valve be developing AI models to eliminate phallic shapes from being free-drawn on the minimap?
@@ChromaticPeace where do I even start with your comment?
Valve had nothing to do with that tournament.
There is nothing wrong with drawing phallic arrows on the map for your team of friends that also do the same thing.
The tournament organizers did not historically have issues with this. It was a foreign broadcast team that took issue with it after they thought it would be a good idea to overlay every map ping and plan from all players on both sides to the audience with no context.
I said this was the closest nonsensical monetary penalty I knew of in dota compared to LoL.
Riot is supposed to act professional. This video showed that they are both unprofessional and disrespectful. Going to stay far from their nonsense.
Fine players for making "mistakes" ❎
Fine players because their million dollars devs are too lazy to immediately fix OP bugs ✅
devs don't earn millions even in a billion worth company but yeah the company has enough money to deal with this, it's kinda absurd
@@MrNayji nor do they deserve to?
I hate the framing that the riot had to step it somehow. They chose to do it. It is a massive difference. Riot in most cases could simply do nothing or apply rules that regular players face.
Someone took wrong runes/spells? Team banned wrong champions? Yea it was their choices and other team can punish them for it. You are out of the playground... Someone bought a banned iteam or rune? Riot should fix the game and not offload it onto players.
Riot before being concerned about someone bad bahavior (not an issue) should stop being abusive to their playerbase first
Or they could've just disable the rune, since they play on a special build of the game anyway.
Or restart the match and only have that one guy pick a different rune, since they did that in the past already.
@@LecherousLizard yea, they had options but they chose the worst one
Player: having a bad day and not playing well
Rito: hippity hoppity you’re money is now my property
The real sign of intentional disrespect was allowing Vaevictis to continue playing after their first 3-4 games in the league. Also the team was literally made of 5 support mains.
Finally, another reasonable opinion about Vaevictis. I'd be pissed if I made it to pros and saw them coasting in for free because they had breasts.
i don’t get it. you see a bad team, therefore trolling sexist shit is cool?
shit in them for being bad players. what’s the point in bringing their sex into it?
@@ClockworkGearhead This has been my opinion since it happened, and everyone always gets mad whenever I bring it up. So I'm glad at least someone agrees with me.
I just can't imagine grinding your ass off in challenger to make it pro while barely being recognized, yet seeing a full pro team of diamond support mains taking your spot simply cause "it would look good for the esport"
Didn't their ADC have something like MF (i.e. an actual ADC at the time) as her most played champion that season? I mean, her top 2-5 champions were all support champions, but at least there was that.
@@LecherousLizard iirc I'm pretty sure she had like a 30% wr on mf or sivir at the time (I can't remember which was her most played in soloq) so it didn't quite bode well for her
btw vaevictus team was a team of 5 support mains, unironically. So their bans werent sexism, just good bans
1. Banning 5 support Champs is a sign of disrespect, implying they can't play anything but support champions
2. You can't have a team of only support champions and win consistently so you'd only be crippling the 1 actual support of the team. Pro players only do things that will consistently win games.
@@deronawuah2136 BDS had banned 5 toplaners against Vitality forcing Photon to go Akshan. Also you can actually go 5 supports, and it was more common in earlier seasons to see things like Karma top or Lulu mid.
@@DCDsauceshhh they’re trying to get laid
@@deronawuah2136 1. Psychological attack is a valid strategy
2. ????? stating the obvious don't make you sound smart
@@deronawuah2136But their mains are supports. 😂
For those who don't know and since Nicolai did not include the information involving the female team Vaevictis during that time supports were meta expecially enchaters. It was the ardent meta of having supports in mid and even karma top. Most of the champs picked then was lux, karma, lulu, nami and Janna, which were all played mid and top. Thresh and braum were also very strong at the time and the support player did actually play both of them as well.
Naw, i played back than, and what you are saying is only half true. Supports were good but not good enough to do what they did.
This was simply them trolling and goofing off while wasting bans for the lols. That being said, there is literally nothing against doing that, and if anything that type of behavior should be encouraged. It makes stories, and frankly I stopped watching esports, for good stories simply don't exist anymore.
Like how epic would it be, if you did 5 target bans towards one player saying "this is all you got and your useless without it" just for that same team to get a revenge win and stomp. Or lets say they lose, but train hard and come back ten matches later and crush the people who called them trash.
In sports you need good stories. So making a rule that you can't trash talk the enemy team through the form of target banning, or skipping bans is stupid. I know it's not the WWE and riot wants to encourage sportsmanship, but you should simply let the natural personalities exist. Other wise you kill narratives.
Enemy team banning 5 adc against T1 : Rito slep
Enemy team banning 5 support against vaevictus: Real shit
Nice Rito, what a small indie company
The difference is that it was Vaevictis' support's first competitive game ever and the team wasn't known for picking supports in other roles. Banning out an adc titan like Gumayushi is very different to banning out supports on (what was) a mid-bottom team at that point, especially when RoX was on blue side.
@@kidkamandoThis is what I don’t get about Esports. We want to be respected as a sport, but we don’t want our players to have the kind of heat sports players get. This is a classic maneuver to get someone nervous, that is done in every sport. Constantly playing on one side of the field in football, putting multiple defenders against a single striker, etc…
@@drakonlegend4452 And besides, regardless if the stunt was real or not, Vaevictis lost and badly. And after that abuse of Ritos power every team proceeded to play to it fullest agaisnt them and Vaevictis lost even harder until the were removed from pro play for just being plain bad.
@@kidkamando You had 4 main supps on a team ina time a supp champion mid was meta dude, even faker used Lulu mid at that time and lost the worlds with Karma mid, they did the right move and got punished by riot for no reason.
@@euqinemor RoX were blue side against a completely fresh team. They could have fixed that issue by giving their bot prio in the picks, but they banned supports to give the prio to Top/Jg/Mid anyway. Lulu wasn't even their first ban. If that were the case, their picks and bans don't make any sense.
Banning 5 supports against 5 women isnt a sign of disrespect but a sign of "damn their team has 5 support mains, better ban their mains"
Yeah, I would have thought banning 0 champs would have been the way to be disrespectful
they're good in support.. so the opposite banned 5 champ support.. nothing wrong with this
If anything, doesnt that make it seem like Riot thinks women only play supports? Pretty backwards ngl.
@@MegaNever2010it is, but they will never admit it
@@_FirstLast_ imagine banning the 0%pick rates like skarner or shaco. They've no way around it
To be honest, if you're told in advance not to buy an item and you do it anyway... a 900g penalty is a pretty reasonable punishment. I don't know if they forced him to return to base immediately to do it because that could make it a bit worse for him, but still a pretty fair punishment.
By your logic riot should also be punished for not fixing bugs they have known about for months/years. If the player was negligent then riot are criminals.
@@pete5516 nope, by my logic a tournament can have a set of rules that need to be followed.
@@pete5516ehh, even in pokemon unite (a baby’s first moba) they have set rules on which pokemon are banned for the current tournament, due to known bugs.
And people will forfeit a match if they choose the banned champion.
Or just.. disable the item?
By my logic a bug is an oversight that Devs should've fixed.
They should programm the option to actually disable runes, items or champions in the tournament client if they can't be bothered to fix their bugs. But that's probably too much to ask of Riot.
Next game no one would literally have any summoners or runes. Because they're that stupid.
If riot is going to fine players because of a bug THEY haven't fixed they could at least actually disable the combination so that it's impossible to pick. It's their game they have that ability.
Bear in mind that LoL was once managed by a domestic abuser called Jeffery Lin, who used the game to make players MORE toxic as part of a social experiment.
Source: a TH-cam video called 'The Origins of "Toxicity" - A Psychological Laboratory in Riot Games'.
IMO, Tyler1 may be considered a byproduct of social experiments.
@@1012-v9r first thought: WTF
2nd thought: domestic abuser / psychopath making eperiment ? checks out , i dont even wanna watch the video tbh
but thanks for the tip i still might ^^
@@koiwazurai1603 Jeffrey Lin's victim is known on TH-cam as Kara Corvus: she's fine now, and she made a video called 'Discussing My Abus3 from Riot Lyte/Jeffrey Lin'.
honestly riot really out here trying to take esports seriously and really wont fix bugs and instead just fining people cuz they cant be asked to code their game
Instead of fining someone for using the bug, do what you did a few other times - disable it from being picked, and if you do, a different thing will be used instead. Disable shiv. Don't say "you can't X", just block X by function.
meanwhile in dota, dendi does fountain hook and the community embrace it, while valve make a memorial out of it
And valve fix that exploit after thay finish tournament
Because Valve is an actual video game developer. Riot is just a company that was at the right place at the right time to make *one* very successful game.
That wasn't a bug. Just too strong and easy feature.
They have the capabilities of disabling items and rune/champ combinations. Being punished for buying what is available in game is ridiculous
There a few instances where i strongly believe that an accidental mistake, like forgetting smite should not result in such a severe punishment. Basically if the shoe fits or if the crime fits the bill. They may have made a simple mistake, but that doesn't mean they should be treated as if they broke the law and got fined in a court of law.
After seeing several incidents of companies abusing players of their being instances of unfair online rules or ridiculous punishments over simple mistakes or no justifiable reason at all, even some users being allowed to get away with causing trouble, i need to say gaming communities and companies should not be allowed to make their own rules at this point. It's becoming too chaotic and there needs to be a proper order to ensure that no one gets treated unfairly and proper justice is served. They all should be forced to follow a universal set of rules that guarantees fairness for both sides without bias no matter the company or online setting. If the player breaks a rule, then they are fairly punished, but if the company breaks a rule, they run the risk being blacklisted internationally, ex. product distribution suspended for a specified amount of time.
Honestly wish they would just restart the game, everything the same but he just takes smite in remake. Sounds dumb cuz “his job to remember to take smite” which I agree with but imagine this happen in a world final where tensions are so high and we have to watch a game where one team just gets completely pummeled. Sportsmanship would be the other team agreeing to remake if they could’ve
The fines arent neccesarily fines. I think its just excuses Riot uses to pay people less money just like how youtube evantually demonitized the names for covid-19 cuz it was a popular topic
The fine is justified, the company they have signed in has the right to fine their talents for mistakes it will also look bad on the team because it may look like they are involved in betting frauds.
It's China, what do you expect? Lmao
@@Rinaldimanc worst take I've ever seen in my life lmao. There's a reason this happened in China and not the US. We have laws here protecting people from this exact scenario, because it's absolutely ridiculous and inhumane to force an employee to work for no pay.
Crazy how they can just go "Hey, I'm aware it's a bug because our company fucked something up, so if you even accidentally step a little too close to the bug we will ask money of you"
I'd understand if the bug was found days or even weeks before the big game. Not a lot of time to fix the bug. BUT 10 MONTHS? Fix the bug Riot. You had plenty of time. What a load of crap lol.
@@happilyisolated They funny thing is in that particular case, he never once made use of the river bug, which means he even consciously made the effort to not abuse it, yet was still punished. So stupid.
What do you mean it makes no sense? "Go die" makes perfect sense. If all that guy does is run in the line and die then he's basically just saying "whatever man go just continue making your mistake again and again" calling him useless in the game and just to go die in the game, not telling him to go die irl. Like, obviously.
League Players: Riot Fix this bug please!
Riot: NO you will take your 400th lux skin and you will be grateful for it.
League Players: Ok **uses bug**.
Riot: o__0
it's crazy that riot havent made an easy way to implement custom games that disable specific heros/items for tournaments, especially with all of these issues
riot: makes the most busted game ever
also riot: we dont like it when you play our busted game we refuse to fix
imagine banning an item in a pro competitive setting, what if he's been playing that item for months and now his champ is completely unusable
What's funny is that they could easily justify those bans regardless of who they were facing... Thresh, Lulu Braum, Janna and Nami are very strong supports that are incredibly annoying to play against, as long as they kept it professional and used this reasoning I think they would have gotten away with it.
On a added side note: Being fined for not taking smite is the wildest thing I've ever heard...
The fine was issued by their team, not by riot and since this is a million dollar business with the pro earning their fair share, I consider this punishment for such a beginner's mistake absolutely viable. Imagine a pro goal keeper accidentally not paying attention to a defender passing to them and this resulting in a loss. Their carreer would be over after that game.
It's cute that Riot punishes players for negative behavior in solo queue. But I cannot help but think that there still is favouritism going on. Other people get banned for some stuff certain pro players do or say in solo queue.
It's token gestures to keep the investors in. The investors want to see "pro play" like a "real sport." So you get drama fines like in "real sports."
Recently, I have been getting lots of report feedbacks and it makes me so happy that the people who called me slurs are getting punished
@@lushdontu4015it doesn’t work tho. I get feedback for everything EXCEPT people being racist. It really sucks but riot won’t punish people at all even if they straight up say the gamer word
@@pete5516 maybe you were toxic as well?
@@lushdontu4015 yes, I am toxic to racists, well done… and yet I’ve never been banned or warned, so clearly not being toxic enough
Riot has really nothing they should say about a team's bans. It's just lame. If they wanna ban 5 supports, then go ahead. I often see 2-3 supports being banned, and almost always Lux. If Lux ain't banned someone is probably gonna play her.
bronze, no one is playing lux in LCL league. also, it's just the insinuation that's disrespectful
@@aaronmurillo4354 who is this bronse you're talking about? It was just an example on how things are. Also you kinda missed the point regarding Riot giving fines for followibg the rules. It's like there is no room for veibg cheeky competetive at all.
@@aaronmurillo4354a team did the same against RNG. 5 suport bans. And no one tought it was disrespectfull
@@laffi there are rules against it. if you’re toxic, you’re fined in pro league. if you’re toxic in regular league, you’re banned. There’s literally rules
@@aaronmurillo4354 Yeah, I get that of course, but I'm telling you. I litterary got banned for saying penis. Makes me wonder if we're getting to the point where you can't even say poop. Just examples ofc, but as said before it didn't used to be like this. When I said penis I didn't mean to offend anyone. I just said it to be funny. Also the chat ban for calling Veigar a midget was also uncalled for, as that's what he is. Not a dwarf; midget!
TO SUM UP! If it gets to the point where you have to write a ticket and ask why you got chatbanned and honor reset, you know something is wrong. Not even a pro player will get a fine for saying penis.
7:38 this makes a lot of sense actually. It was not true in the end, ok, but it convinced me instantly. .. "go forget picking smite", "go ignite yuumi", "go lose the dragon", "go die for the 20930th time"... just referencing a previous mistake
(still toxic)
DRX banned 5 ADC champions against T1 and nobody cared. Then Gumayusi played Chogath ADC. 💀💀💀
Dont forget when rekkles got 5 ADC's target banned
The only way for Riot to think that it's disrepectful is to admit that that female team is so incompetent to the point their opponent ban without any strategic reasons but to play with their heads.
If the female team was good then the 5 SP ban would've been seen as a strategic move for whatever reasons.
Riot viewed that female team as a damsel in distress who need to be protected.
@@vond5829 Thats..not the only way for them to think that? What are you, twelve? You do realize you can be aware of societies climate without actively participating in it, right?
Call a black man a monkey and see how many white people will be offended. By your logic the ONLY WAY they can be offended is by THINKING BLACK MEN ARE MONKEYS? No, they just KNOW this is a commonly used phrase against them.
Worst part is, 4 of those girls where main supps and Lulu mid WAS META at that time, even Faker used Lulu mid at some point and lost the Worlds with karma mid. With so many supp mains, they could rearrange who goes where any time they wanted on draft with can be a huge advantage... if they did not take worst beating on match in league's history.
Riot even changed the rules that no more diamond players are allowed in pro play after this because Vulvavictis was breaking every negative record like lowest gold in a pro game, their midlaner averaging 4cs/min, highest losing streak, average gold disadvantage of 14000g per game and the fastes game loss in league history, just to name a few.
It is very disrespectful that they had to play vs a Women Meme Team that was made to provoke because Vaevictis actually could not get any pro players for their team, so they did this as a protest. Best part still was "while banning five supports is not against the rules, we finded them 10.000$" because it seemed disrespectful", who the actual fuck cares if it was disrespectful, the rule said they could ban whoever they want. Vaevictis played a champ that was banned from RIOT in a game btw, they did not get punished while cleary going against the rules, they got special treatment because they were women and that is the pinnacle of disrespect because they punished male players for sticking to the rules while not punishing female players for breaking them.
@@Vittrich who they took that was banned? Cause I didn't heard about that.
@@snowskull9902 Yuumi vs Unicorns of Love, Yuumi was disabled.
@@Vittrich Absolutely disgusting company. Dogshit company ran an amazing game into the ground. Game was on its way to rival international sports at its peak, but unfortunately Riot is a terrible company that deserve prison.
@@Vittrich o lol, ty for informing me !
The month salary fine probably needs to happen to be a major deterrent to betting market match fixing. If your jungler has no smite in pro play you're probably 95% likely to lose, so putting making a deal with betters to split earning for that match that doesn't matter and chalking it up to an honest mistake would be somewhat easy.
Imagine a football player being fined for fumbling.
The game where people act like they had every bone in their femur broken because they got brushed by one atom or someone else
@@theveganduolingobird7349 american football*
I mean they can technically get fined for bringing the wrong tools, like spiked shoes
With the amount of money they get paid you can expect some professionalism, you don't want your lawyer have a typo, losing the case.
@@brotherbill3407 those are banned. You are allowed to foul or make mistakes in football. Buying a completely "legal" in game item is not bannable it's just a mistake same as a fumble.
Vaevictus only had one high elo player. She wasn't on support in that game iirc, but she was a support main.
They literally banned out the other team's best player, and they got fined. Lol. Another team warned for running up the score, so they ended game 2 in a few minutes. Kappa
Wait. So there are no rules against banning 5 supports. Yet they punish them for it, despite not being against the rules? Riot really is something
imagine losing 10k because you ban an actual champion pool from an enemy team XD
sue riots ass get 100k back
Just make it a handicap match atp lmao.
For every team that's 'unfortunate enough' to play against Vaevictus can't ban any champs.
I think 1 month of no salery is brutal af however the toxic players deserve it more than the guy that forgot smite, poor guy just made a super unfortunate mistake
Agreed, should've been just the weeks salary.
Note that the guys that forgot smite were fined by *their teams*, not by Riot.
Which is... more reasonable. It's basically your boss telling you that you fucked up massively and you're being punished. Obviously, China is the only place where it'd be legal to remove your entire pay for a month, but regardless, with how much money chinese proplayer make, it isn't as tragic as you'd think it is.
Its a policy against win trading
I promise you they didn't miss the 1 month's salary. Some of them make 10-50 times what the average person makes in a year...or more.
They aren't struggling to make rent or buy groceries, and if they are, they are absolutely terrible with money.
I feel like in situations like this they should be allowed to just quickly remake the game. Like, that's just an honest mistake, how is it too difficult to spend like 3minutes to get everyone into a newlobby, let everyone pick the same champs and move on.
I actually like the idea of bugfixing via fines. Instead of combing the codebase for days, the user simply receives a fine if they choose a name with umlauts or whatever.
This whole video and the concept of fines over these things had me doing mental gymnastics.
worst part is team removing one month of salary, like what ? does he not get to eat this month ?
I am fine with Riot not releasing a champion for a year but they need to fix the bugs.
Mark Cuban got fined $30K for dropping F-bombs at a league event, but it was for a good cause.
Bruh the 5 support ban was gold idgaf 🤣
In Vietnam a player was perma-banned for wishing Covid would keep spreading so the VCS champion can't play in international tournament (which did happen that year) but still a very harsh punishment.
Lmao Riot said stop hatin
Based Vietnamese livin’ in the trees
the fact that Riot is still in business despite how bad they are at every single aspect of their business is nothing short of a miracle and a testament to how unbelievably low the bar is set on MOBA games... they would never get away being so unbelievably bad developing and managing any other kind of game
Mw I got warned for saying "cringe" and telling someone w a disturbing name "dont talk to me w that name", worst part is that when I submitted a support ticket they tried so hard to justify it
Yes, Riot is severely cringe and has no awareness
Team: looks up the opponents and bans their top picks.
Riot: how dare you use the tools we forced upon you effectively, that's naughty competitive play in this game with big money on the line.
idiots.
They obviously weren’t going to play all support champions tho… it was still blatant disrespect
@@tessla7345Disrespect would been if they did a random ban in a champion no one played for example at that time no one played Skarner at pro level it had 0% Pick rate cuz it was really bad, if they banned skarner it would be a sight that they don't need to ban to win against them
The Female pro players team at that time were Around Plat and the Champions they played the most were supports ones, their ban was after a deep research on opponents like every other profissional game
The fact you think it was Disrespect bc they were females is Ironic itself
They are playing to win they went against Plat players this should be the focus of Disrespect, imagine training alot and putting 100% of yourself only in the end the opponents shows the middle finger
We dont care they were female we only care about skill level
Sorry bad english tho
@@Vindenci I never said it was disrespectful because they were women. It’s disrespectful because even if they all were mostly support players, they were not going to play all support champions in a pro match. No team would ever ban all supports because that would be a dumb thing to do. The only reason they did it was because they were completely certain they would win.
And I agree with you, if they weren’t the proper skill level they should not have been there. Also, your english is good!
@@tessla7345 Wait until you find out bans are to Maximaze the winning and putting certain players out their confort Characters
Of course they would't play 5 Supports but banning 5 Champions who happen to be supports is viable, you're locking out the best Champions of opposing team
@@tessla7345 But heres somehting I was always thinking, what if there was disrespect , but it wasnt because they were women as many people seemed to say but because they were simply bad. Vaevictus had an AWFUL record as far as I know and just not an overall good track record at all wether or not they are women
If they main all support i would do that too tf
The porofesor cooldown tracker seems a bit too far for me. Leans closer to unfair advantage as anyone not using it is having to calculate times using the ingame clock, learned timings from experience, and still maintaining their apm, tactics and farming. Taking even one task away from all of this is a huge advantage and i think porofessor is leaning a bit to far in my opinion on the unfair advantage side with that.
Almost all of these apps are borderline scripting, or are features actually found in scripting. There's a reason Riot said not to use them.
Anyone remember MKLol AKA MKJogo? That had a similar feature and you could get banned for using it.
Something has to be said that you cant tell a pro team not to punish a team in bans (Which is like the whole point of having the bans) and to stop certain meta picks. If you have a team who gets destroyed purely by banning one class of champions in this case only supports that pro team needs to change out those players with other females with wider roles. Being good at support is one thing but having a whole team having issues because your only banning supports is a lack of foresight that NO pro team should have male or female as its generally a very easy thing to abuse and counter in a game where thats done on a daily basis in even unranked games
The thing is, those girls were apparently Plat / Diamond / Master lol, ig they were being "woke", and it's really sad cuz there's probably better girls out there who could've been picked but they were picked just because they were hot lmao, man Riot is really a joke.
Fun fact is, if you see things objectively, they banned the champs for strategic reasons and Riot was being sexist by assuming they banned them for gender reasons.
The irony.
If its not against the rules, it should be allowed. What Riot and the internet community feels about it should not matter
No ones as sensitive to their own faults than Riot
When women insult and disrespect , riot approves
And can you specify that?
lets be real, people insult and disrespect all the time and that's fine, but when it's targeted to something that's not right (i.e race, sex, religion), then it isn't fair. let's be real again, and not be dumb and realize how much hate towards women there are in games. even if they're bad, there's no reason to make misogynistic jokes like an incel. remember Sirens?
@@aaronmurillo43545 suport bans against 4 suport mains is just a smart decision
@@aaronmurillo4354 Much like we should also be real, not be dumb, and realize that crafting a team that's mostly full of support mains and when the opposing team goes and, surprise, surprise, bans support champions as that's what makes sense to do, be a palooka and act like this be some kinda shenanigan slight against women.
Here's some food for thought for ya since you keep tryin' to run defense for a team that, save for two, lost every bloody match they ever fought (Or at least the vast majority were horrible Ls like that 2-52 loss for example): Perhaps next time those bumblers should get a better pool of female players and this won't happen. And if they can't, don't bother making a full females team. Simple as.
@@aaronmurillo4354 "when it's targeted to something that's not right". That implies there's things that are okay to be insulted and disrespected. Nice double standards there bud
toxicity should not be punished imo
The fact that the female team was even allowed to compete was disrespect to every player that worked hard to earn a spot in that competition.
They deserved to get trolled.
0:10 if those were their mains? xd
Riot sees player intentionally being toxic: 2 match suspension that's it, you're good
Riot sees player mistakenly use bug, item and spells: unacceptable behavior and perma
I can understand the toxicity fines, since i guess pro players are suppose to be an example for the general player base. But fining based on purchasing items or using runes is INSANE. they need to just disable the items
Note, the female team was made of FOUR support mains and 1 katarina otp, other than that she played support.... how is it sexist to ban their mains?
even if it was a sort of "joke" it s not worth punishement as it s very mild disrespect if considered. i find it very stupid that riot would go to that far like what? i guess logic
no team ever is going to be playing that many supports.
@@aaronmurillo4354but they will pick at least one. 5 targeted bans is rare, but not a never before seen thing. There was a team that did the same against RNG when Ming was there
@@alex2005z yes but not 5 supports. like let’s be real, with lulu, janna, Nami, thresh braum
@@aaronmurillo4354 it wasnt those suport bans but it was something like nautilus, tresh, leona, blitz and rell. They banned every single good engage support. And that team banned every single good disengage supoort. Its a strategy
5 Support Bans:
- Take advantage of the trolling opponent and pick up strong champions that haven't been banned. ❌
- OmG ThIs is SeXIsM! ✅
☕ & simp logic in a nutshell
Man, you people really are empty headed. The point isn't overcoming a troll with beating them. The point is the troll shouldn't be there since this is a professional match of pros. I guess you wouldn't understand why professionalism matters.
@@novaangle2183 simp
@@novaangle2183 ok
@@novaangle2183You are 100% right. The troll shouldn't be there.
Why are there plat/diamond players on a competitive stage taking spots from challenger players?
That coach should be refunded that 1500 and given a public apology by riot, I’d be mad too if my team was forced to lose because riot was too lazy to fix a bug
riot really is one of the most toxic gaming companies, and it's stopping me from coming back
Wanna mention, Crownie got banned for calling someone an ape in soloq
Doss has a long history of telling people to kill themselves or describing in great detail how bad they are in soloq since his LFL days and he's not received a single punishment
To be fair, he is hilarious. Also, every human is an ape. That’s not offensive that’s a fact, riot are actually mentally handicapped
It rubs me the wrong way that Riot punishes people for bugs, that's on Riot for not fixing them. They have the resources LOL
That first one is the embodiment of "Hook, Line, AND Sinker."
😂
Riot should be fined for every bug that occurs.
damn he really said it a couple of times.
when you're going to make the item forbidden just remove the entire thing
It's understandable that the multi billion company Riot Games can't disable and item ingame instead of telling players not to buy it pretty please, also the forgot to take smite games are so dumb, it would be so easy to remake the game just pick the same champs literally less than 2 min to fix... and the bug ones omg I can't even express how dumb i find it, like "Let's punish the players for our incompetence and laziness" like for starters as the items, they should 100% be able to disable the combination of champ+rune, and even overlooking that the bug should be fixed in 1-2 patches max, it's horrendous how long bugs are in the game, some of them are older than some mmorpg games like wtf. This all goes to show it's about time to remake the game from the ground up, or even using Wild Rift as a base, but I do understand they are only motivated by money and that won't happen cause it's an invesment they don't see a profit on, maybe when the game is dying they'll do it as a last effort ditch, tho I hope it's too late and the game just dies for good then.
Even crazier than having to remake, they could literally just get him to sell it and give him the 900 gold he lost out on, these matches are on separate servers and they can manipulate any value mid match as they please, they just obviously wouldn't do such a thing unless a very particular scenario pops up, like this one.
They really just couldn't have been bothered to make a pro match a fair one in the end bc they didn't like the fact they got exposed of being incompetent game devs and hosts of a tourney by AIM buying shiv so they went piss baby mode and made the match one sided in the end.
@@alegend4evr they CANNOT manipulate any value mid match as they please, and it has been shown before, with many bugs and situations happening. it takes a lot of work and can affect the game negatively
@@aaronmurillo4354 Yes they can, its literally how servers work bud. If you run a server and have access to it, you can literally see the flow of packet come in and out of the server as it send/receives, and you can inject your own packets if you gain permissions to do so, otherwise scripting in the game would literally be impossible, but we've also seen a scripting sion or a scripting xerath. So please go get a grip of the topic before saying something as nonsensical as "the people running and have direct access to the server have no ability to inject values into it" like come the fuck on bruh.
So, yes they can manipulate the values mid game if they wanted to, fixing a bug is not the same as adding gold to someone's gold count thats connected to the server, fixing a bug requires you to actually write game changing code, not typing in a match adjusting string of text that the server recognizes as a command to do something, especially in a case like this where the pros are on their very own dedicated server that is literally being hosted within walking distance of the PC they play on. Not to even mention, when you see the hosts PAUSE the game, that alone tells you they have the ability to issue commands to the server when they want, as they are NOT some 11th player connected to the server, they are the host and can tell the server to issue a pause like you see in this very video, just like when you're in practice tool giving yourself gold, thats literally you just issuing a command to the practice tool sever you are connected to to give you gold.
Even if what you said is true, which it isnt, all that would mean is that RIOT games are the most incompetent developer and professional tournament hosts to date as they lack the ability to issue command to a server they are monitoring and have full access to.
@@alegend4evr I never said fix the bugs in the first place, they just never revert back the game to prevent said bugs, also you’re just typing out of your ass to really think that riot can just change values inside of the game because they have access to the server. simply changing said values could have consequences for the game and they NEVER do it, because they can’t. you think of riot could do it they wouldn’t?
I feel like there should be 0 punishment for being toxic or exploiting or whatever. If riot doesn't want exploits they should fix their game or run separate servers where they can disable things for tournament play.
Just imagine your boss says "okay you forgot your safety boots today so you wont get salary this month". Thats easily going to court. But for esports its fine when someone forgets smite.
Just imagine your worker does something dangerous on the job while you're paying for his life insurance and not firing him immediately.
6:34 pro players, they’re just like us LMAO
there's no difference at all, only one difference is that their better
@@motafu1 at the end of the day they re still just players
How on earth is it "ridiculous sounding" to punish a team for purposefully being misogynistic? Are you good bro? Like come the fuck on..
literally bro the incels in these comments
So ur saying women only play supports?
Riot: We have a banning system, where your team can ban any champion it doesn't like to play against without question. Here's a list of all the champions!
Team: We choose these champions.
Riot: Strait to jail and give us all your money too.
Team: I took teleport instead of smite. I thought it might end up being more useful to my team.
Riot: Strait to jail and permanently banned from this tournament. And give us more money.
Team: (player) I took this item and am playing this character. This combo has a bug with it that I don't know about and am not even actively using/doing.
Riot: Jail.
Riot: "We don't enforce metas"
Also Riot: * Fines people for not taking smite *
Also love how they hid behind "the wider gaming community" to justify simping for their all-girl team.
Their host teams fined them, not Riot.
Trolling an entire team of trolls is rude? That team is literally can't sell their team before the new Tournament start, so they have to play even tho they've already kicked all the male players because they can't afford to pay them, randomly pick up a team of Ladies to play since there is no other way and they're cheaper to pay for, and a good way to promote so them can sell the team later?
Dude, that entire team is a joke, a disrepectful to another team.
See, this is an example of a sexist. Calling a team of women trolls just because they are a team of woman is pretty low iq. The event was set up and the teams made without your low iq input and frankly none of them care what you have to say. Clearly they did it because it makes them money. You'd fail in business.
Toxic players should get a 3 strikes structure that considers attitude pattern. With no previous pattern of toxicity, 1st strike = 1 match suspension, 2nd = 1 month, 3rd = banned. With a previously established pattern of toxicity, the ban should be immediate because the fact that the toxic behavior wasn't previously detected doesn't diminish its gravity whatsoever and does not make it an endorsement of the behavior. Allowing people to get a day break to calm down is one thing, but with a preexisting pattern, the 1 day isn't gonna change anything since its not a matter of exceptional stress, it's a pattern.
I miss the days of the Summoner's Code, now its the marketability's code...
tbh... even if they banned only supp and let them pick op champ they still lose pretty hard so... git gud '-' idc about trashtalking either male or female... if ur good no one can make fool of you
cringe, talk like a real person and go outside and touch grass. secondly, trashtalking is fine, but trashtalking solely because they are girls, is not.
As a female I'm always cringing hard when I see an "all-female" e-sport team. I can't help to think that they only exist as a team just to make a point about their gender and it pisses me off. When I see a team of dudes, I know for sure that them being all guys is just coincidental. At no point did they think about their gender as a relevant thing to be considered in the making of their team. Yet with these all-female team I know that some people at some point had a discussion about "girls in gaming" in the process of making the team. I would stop cringing the day I see a female team as an organic thing being coincidentally made without any ideological bs attached to it.
bruh if calling someone an ape is a two game suspension , nobody would be playing lol anymore
punishing a team for properly using a game mechanic is crazy, Ubisoft never punished anybody when damn near everyone was banning jager against team empire bc joystick was one of the best fraggers in the world and preferred him💀
Imagine a game so bad that only 5 support characters exist in a pool of 163. Oh wait.
Notice how when your team fits a certain demographic, everyone is all of the sudden sensitive to some imaginary slight against them.
Riot games: "hmm, This feels bannable today."