Wow, the eldar really stood the test of time. I think they are looking great. Goblin Green bases are mandatory for these old models, really gives them the old school vibes 😂
the phoenix lords are from the same era... and only jian zar and maugan ra have been updated recently :/ sad that karandras wasn't out with the kill team box :(
The company that made those paints is still going, look up Coat D'Arms paints. They still do all the old colours, and have added a load of military colours too.
I got into their stuff for doing up some Spartans and 2mm Renaissance and the colours are really nice there, too, even with the oft-questionable coverage
Those red and blue paints seem like they're absolutely amazing to use, even from the few brush strokes we see on camera. They're so vibrant that for a second I didn't even realize you had thinned them.
I started in 92', so caught the back end of these before the 1994 set. They're pretty decent! I painted yellow Eldar though, so it was awful really haha
I had all of these paint sets (and still have some of the paints). A couple of things. The Terracotta is great, as is the Striking Scorpion Green. I still have a new pot of Space Wolf Grey unopened, as I bought a few as my main army is Space wolves. Also the Tin Bitz, was notorious, I bet with a mixing ball bearing and a good blast on a vortex mixer it would be ok, its a rare paint now!
I often wonder why they don't make goblin green anymore, no paints seem to be able to replicate it. I still have some tin bitz too. It should have the same consistency as boltgun metal so might need a good mix.
Yeah there are tons of paint that call themselves "goblin green," but the original was more drab and the later version was a pure chromium oxide color. Now most greens are cyan green and don't have nearly the same coverage and are too blueish.
Best way for doing rich yellows back in the 90s was using Fiery Orange, highlighting with white, to get this peachy look. Then Sunburst yellow on top. Super rich yellows and keeping with the brighter colours/style of the time. Also worked well over a black undercoat. And every model seemed to have to have some red on it. Don't know why, but it was hard to find something without it back then. Still have a sealed Polished blue and a swamp brown. from the early 90s.
The one with the golden demon was the first boxed set released known simply as "Citadel Colour." It contained bronzed flesh, chaos black, woodland green, blood red, skull white, shining gold, sunburst yellow, enchanted blue, mithril silver. The were four initial boxed sets released with the sequels being Creature, Monster, and Expert (which were inks). The painting on the cover was by Bob Naismith. He's still around and still makes 3d models.
Speaking as an old man, I feel the mistake you're making is painting these like a modern painter, with modern expectations. These paints were NOT designed with thinning in mind. Pot-to-brush was actually a selling point Citadel used back in the day. So if you're disappointed by the number of coats that's kind of on you. That said, Blood Angels Orange was always pretty crappy...
@@Bur91a Why? I'm a noob painter and I appreciate a wet palette just for having more even/naturally thinned coverage and paint that stays applicable much longer
@cbjewelz I just find it too thin and yeah I get the whole idea behind it but I don't like painting the same area more times to get the colour im after because it's thinned down. I have new and old (1993) paints I got direct to pot.
The old colours were not bad. In general, as far as I remember, the paints from the 90s covered better then the ones from 1989. (although compared to today's ones the coverage was still not that good). They were very durable, even when they dried out you could easily reactivate them with some water. My brother and I did this several times. I am not sure if it is true, but I have heard that the first citadel colours were sort of the same the british army used for the markings on their tanks and therefore they were so steady. I have painted my first 30 Space Marines (20 Rogue Trader and one Blood Angels Tactical Squad box, 2nd edition) with Blood Angels Orange as their base colour, because I thought at that time this was the official correct colour for them. It was really hard! :D My brother had Space Wolves and the Space Wolves Grey from that time was awesome! I still have one bottle still sealed, at least I can hear the paint is still fluid when I shake it, however I am still not sure if I should open it. Maybe I will paint some Space Wolves some time in the future :)
As long as you keep the rims clean and reseal the bottle completely it'll last another 40 years even if you open it. But I'd photograph it before you do and list the name of the color next to it. Some colors are very rare. It's good to make swatches too for color matching and chemical analysis. Some people take collecting these old paints very seriously.
Yellow doesn't have great coverage because it's an arylide dye like pigment that is transparent having a very small particle size, but back then we didn't glaze with the brighter colors as much as mix the brighter colors in with the base colors as we worked towards the highlight so it didn't matter if coverage wasn't great because yellow was usually a mixing color and not used straight that often. Because the original paints had a vinyl medium it was easier to move from shadows towards the highlights than the other way around. For the final brightest highlight we might highlight with white and then once dry do a final glaze with the brightest color like yellow, but that was usually too stark and looked a bit garish. If your classic paints are too thin for some reason they probably aren't mixed well. The older metallic paints were known for this because the heavy pigment would fall to the bottom of the pot and solidify. Use a couple of mixer balls and a nail polish shaker to restore the paint or at the very least turn the paint pot upside down for a couple of hours before you paint and shake occasionally. Because of the funnel shape of the pot the heavier pigment will move to the top of the top and mix more readily.
Great memories. I recall just not knowing what to do with bad moon yellow, the poor coverage combined with my lack of control of the other colours was not a good combo. Snakebite leather though I recall very differently, presumably erroneously... Great walk down memory lane. Thanks!
Following the guide has a slight underpants gnome quality to it: step 1: undercoat step 2: basecoat step 3: shade step 4: 'eavy metal Incidentally, have you seen the Nostalgia '88 range by Warcolours? I'm a fan.
I have. They are excellent. But they discontinued the '88 line for some reason. Makes me angry. I was going to buy them all. I use Coat D'Arms, but I still loved the Warcolours '88 line. The reds were fantastic.
@@BroadswordWargaming Sadly all I have left of 2nd Edition is the codex. I never had many models, just some swooping hawks and a warclock. Man I wish I could find them.
pops open 35yr old citadel paint - fantastic and useable right away opens a new modern citadel paint - seperated and 50/50 if can even be used How times change...
u look like a British actor i knew he was in a few things. black adder the young ones my apology if I seem rude ...I've got my old ragnar and a squad of gray hunters i was going to retro paint might put them in a diorama. thank you for the inspiration.
Let's be honest - there is no overlap in the Venn diagram showing people who were listening to Kylie and people who were painting Warhammer minis in 1989.
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Wow, the eldar really stood the test of time. I think they are looking great. Goblin Green bases are mandatory for these old models, really gives them the old school vibes 😂
Agreed!
the phoenix lords are from the same era... and only jian zar and maugan ra have been updated recently :/ sad that karandras wasn't out with the kill team box :(
It really speaks to the Eldar design how well they hold up.
That eldar is great.
I am impressed by how some of these paints cover so well.
Thanks! Yeah, honestly, I was surprised, too. Terracotta is a great paint.
That's exactly how I remember my Tin Bitz from the Orks and Eldar paint set back in the day! Could never get it mixed well!
The company that made those paints is still going, look up Coat D'Arms paints. They still do all the old colours, and have added a load of military colours too.
Yeah, they do solid work! REally like the nostalgia range stuff :)
Paint itself is exactly the same as near as i can tell
I got into their stuff for doing up some Spartans and 2mm Renaissance and the colours are really nice there, too, even with the oft-questionable coverage
Those red and blue paints seem like they're absolutely amazing to use, even from the few brush strokes we see on camera. They're so vibrant that for a second I didn't even realize you had thinned them.
I had that ork and eldar paint set. I’ve been trying to find it for years. It’s amazing you have it!
It's so good!
"it smells old and painty" that's my new favourite line
An accurate description of old paint. 🤣
Seriously. Old and painty is how a lot of paints should smell. It's a nostalgic smell. Inspiration in a bottle.
Very cool. Painted in 2024 but you could fool the folks at antiques roadshow
It'll be our little secret!
Love the artwork on those paint boxes, such fond memories looking at them in all the feww brochures that GW handed out.
So good!
I had my first encounter with Warhammer 8-10 years later but I still remember the feeling when I went into the store. Love me some nostalgia!
I started in 92', so caught the back end of these before the 1994 set. They're pretty decent! I painted yellow Eldar though, so it was awful really haha
I had all of these paint sets (and still have some of the paints). A couple of things. The Terracotta is great, as is the Striking Scorpion Green. I still have a new pot of Space Wolf Grey unopened, as I bought a few as my main army is Space wolves. Also the Tin Bitz, was notorious, I bet with a mixing ball bearing and a good blast on a vortex mixer it would be ok, its a rare paint now!
Terra cotta was one of my go-to paints for shading faces. Never used it for power armour 🤔
It's amazing.
Lovely stuff Oliver! That was a wonderful time in the wayback machine. Amazing to see these sets back in action. That striking scorpion looked ace!
Glad you enjoyed it! Must have you over for some 2nd ed goodness!
I love the squat ork and your paint job really makes me stare at his gaping maw. He's adorably feral.
He is cute.. until he rips you limb from limb!
I often wonder why they don't make goblin green anymore, no paints seem to be able to replicate it. I still have some tin bitz too. It should have the same consistency as boltgun metal so might need a good mix.
Yeah, people love Goblon green now. It's a way more natural skin colour for orks or Goblins too! I'll make it!
Yeah there are tons of paint that call themselves "goblin green," but the original was more drab and the later version was a pure chromium oxide color. Now most greens are cyan green and don't have nearly the same coverage and are too blueish.
The figures look great! it is nice to see these figures painted in original colors. Thanks for sharing this.
Glad you like them!
That Eldar scheme reminds me of Strontium Dog, absolutely love it!
Oh, you're totally right! Haven't looked at Strontium Dog in a good few years.
For me it is the smell and tast when repointing the brush tip😂
The best!
I'd love to find a color match to the teracota and the marine dark blue paints
Vallejo model colour might be the place to look. I have the range in store, so I'll take a look!
loved it!!! nostalgia is my cup of tea!
Best way for doing rich yellows back in the 90s was using Fiery Orange, highlighting with white, to get this peachy look. Then Sunburst yellow on top. Super rich yellows and keeping with the brighter colours/style of the time. Also worked well over a black undercoat. And every model seemed to have to have some red on it. Don't know why, but it was hard to find something without it back then. Still have a sealed Polished blue and a swamp brown. from the early 90s.
exactly right.
i love the orc model, hes such a goober
Cool watching you paint up the old minis. I actually have some Ral Partha paint from the 80s that is still good.
I love the ideas your channel comes up with!
I had that paint set, and the one with the golden demon on the front.....loved them :)
The one with the golden demon was the first boxed set released known simply as "Citadel Colour." It contained bronzed flesh, chaos black, woodland green, blood red, skull white, shining gold, sunburst yellow, enchanted blue, mithril silver. The were four initial boxed sets released with the sequels being Creature, Monster, and Expert (which were inks). The painting on the cover was by Bob Naismith. He's still around and still makes 3d models.
I can only dream of having such a talent as you have ☺☺
Speaking as an old man, I feel the mistake you're making is painting these like a modern painter, with modern expectations. These paints were NOT designed with thinning in mind. Pot-to-brush was actually a selling point Citadel used back in the day. So if you're disappointed by the number of coats that's kind of on you. That said, Blood Angels Orange was always pretty crappy...
I still paint pot to brush. I've tried the wet pallet and hated it.
@@Bur91a Why? I'm a noob painter and I appreciate a wet palette just for having more even/naturally thinned coverage and paint that stays applicable much longer
@cbjewelz I just find it too thin and yeah I get the whole idea behind it but I don't like painting the same area more times to get the colour im after because it's thinned down.
I have new and old (1993) paints I got direct to pot.
@@Bur91a That's fair. I just detest seeing brush strokes and the wet palette makes it so much smoother going on
The old colours were not bad. In general, as far as I remember, the paints from the 90s covered better then the ones from 1989. (although compared to today's ones the coverage was still not that good). They were very durable, even when they dried out you could easily reactivate them with some water. My brother and I did this several times. I am not sure if it is true, but I have heard that the first citadel colours were sort of the same the british army used for the markings on their tanks and therefore they were so steady.
I have painted my first 30 Space Marines (20 Rogue Trader and one Blood Angels Tactical Squad box, 2nd edition) with Blood Angels Orange as their base colour, because I thought at that time this was the official correct colour for them. It was really hard! :D
My brother had Space Wolves and the Space Wolves Grey from that time was awesome! I still have one bottle still sealed, at least I can hear the paint is still fluid when I shake it, however I am still not sure if I should open it. Maybe I will paint some Space Wolves some time in the future :)
As long as you keep the rims clean and reseal the bottle completely it'll last another 40 years even if you open it. But I'd photograph it before you do and list the name of the color next to it. Some colors are very rare. It's good to make swatches too for color matching and chemical analysis. Some people take collecting these old paints very seriously.
Yellow doesn't have great coverage because it's an arylide dye like pigment that is transparent having a very small particle size, but back then we didn't glaze with the brighter colors as much as mix the brighter colors in with the base colors as we worked towards the highlight so it didn't matter if coverage wasn't great because yellow was usually a mixing color and not used straight that often. Because the original paints had a vinyl medium it was easier to move from shadows towards the highlights than the other way around. For the final brightest highlight we might highlight with white and then once dry do a final glaze with the brightest color like yellow, but that was usually too stark and looked a bit garish. If your classic paints are too thin for some reason they probably aren't mixed well. The older metallic paints were known for this because the heavy pigment would fall to the bottom of the pot and solidify. Use a couple of mixer balls and a nail polish shaker to restore the paint or at the very least turn the paint pot upside down for a couple of hours before you paint and shake occasionally. Because of the funnel shape of the pot the heavier pigment will move to the top of the top and mix more readily.
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That was my exact goal for this video.
those 89 paints were by far my favourite Citadel ones, was sad when they changed them for the worse
I was 1 year old.
Great memories. I recall just not knowing what to do with bad moon yellow, the poor coverage combined with my lack of control of the other colours was not a good combo. Snakebite leather though I recall very differently, presumably erroneously...
Great walk down memory lane. Thanks!
Vallejo Model Color Cavalry Brown is probably a good match for Terracotta, it's a similar red-brown and covers well too.
Good shout. I wasn't really thiinking outside of GW paints for some reasons! 😀
Following the guide has a slight underpants gnome quality to it:
step 1: undercoat
step 2: basecoat
step 3: shade
step 4: 'eavy metal
Incidentally, have you seen the Nostalgia '88 range by Warcolours? I'm a fan.
Step 4: Profit!
I have indeed. I have the 94 Nostlagia range stuff, it's really good!
I have. They are excellent. But they discontinued the '88 line for some reason. Makes me angry. I was going to buy them all. I use Coat D'Arms, but I still loved the Warcolours '88 line. The reds were fantastic.
Ah the good old days, when Citadel made paints called 'Orc Brown' still have a pot on in my paint rack.
Rare colour. Keep it secret. Keep it safe.
Thank you , Oliver .
I Was there , 😉
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Can't do this without go fast red
It is the way.
Old Skool Eldar are the Best Skool Eldar.
So good! I have a full army of 2nd edition Eldar.. they will get their turn on the channel eventually. :)
@@BroadswordWargaming Sadly all I have left of 2nd Edition is the codex.
I never had many models, just some swooping hawks and a warclock. Man I wish I could find them.
I love Eldar and their pretty colors
@@YokaK80 Especially the old school ones!
Lovely. The space marine I think should go further with edges and highlights.
Yeah, I did say that at the end. Just didn't want to do anymore ha
To paint in that style you really need to dress wearing a Parker coat like those 80s kids queuing outside the GW store at 0:04
Damn, trick missed!
Coat d'arms paints by Black Hat Miniatures are the closest to the originals you can get these days.
Yeah, they do good stuff!
Have you tried to add medium to this old paints ? the pigments are still there they just medium to revive them...
I'd say that's a good shout. Most of them were fine, but Tin Bitz was a mess.. probably just really old!
pops open 35yr old citadel paint - fantastic and useable right away
opens a new modern citadel paint - seperated and 50/50 if can even be used
How times change...
Still use these..except that chain mail..stuff turned into a glob almost immediately right after i bought it..
Shaker balls and turn it upside down for 2 hours before session. Add a drop of distilled water before shaking.
Yikes im feeling old, I had both those sets 😐
Yeah.. it's sad, haha. 😔
It's not 35 years ago!! It's like... wait.. oh.. oh no..
Great stuff though despite making me feel old :D
I know. I made myself sad haha
u look like a British actor i knew he was in a few things. black adder the young ones my apology if I seem rude ...I've got my old ragnar and a squad of gray hunters i was going to retro paint might put them in a diorama. thank you for the inspiration.
Haha, no offense taken. Rik Mayall is the actor you're thinking of. I'd say about 50% of the people I meet tell me that! haha.
Let's be honest - there is no overlap in the Venn diagram showing people who were listening to Kylie and people who were painting Warhammer minis in 1989.
You never know!
But no, you're dead right ha
Something you'll never do again? It's just old coat d'arms paint...they still sell it in those original containers :D
I'm talking more about the actual original ones, of course!
I feel very old 😂😂😂😂😂
Me too haha. I'm sad now.
Thinning paints out of the pot! Heresy!
Haha. It was not the way!
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Your eyes always look so manic.
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Thanks!
I remember buying those paint sets I think they were the third or fourth paint set released along with a basic paint set and an expert ink set