Just tried to replace my daughter’s thermostat on her overheating trailblazer. Her boyfriend took the fan shroud out about a month ago. Glad we watched this
Excellent!! You’ll need to check it again in the heat of summer next year. It may still need an auxiliary fan. The Holley system should have outputs to control it. You could do a pusher style between the grill and AC condenser. I’ve had my share of cooling system woes
Good point! We had looked at electric fans to start, but hoped the shroud might take care of it. We'll be sure to double check next summer. Thanks for the tip!
Sweet! Exactly the video I needed to see to cool down my ‘67 Mustang at idle during the summer months! Loved the visual with the bill. Shocked with the results you got. Thanks!
Glad you got it figured out! I would have suggested shroud. I switched my 64 v8 Comet over to electric fan! No overheating issues. The shroud isn't concentric, it has a build in offset, even though it will bolt on in multiple positions.
One rule that every mechanic including my father always told me is never get frustrated if not you lost nothing is going to come out good and that’s not what we want although it will happen when you feel frustrated walk away and when you feel confident again go back in and do it. Patience is very very needed in mechanic
Great Info. My '67, With a stock 289. Never came with a fan shroud stock. But, on Both my '68 & '69 Falcons with a built 302. I used an electric fan, in front of the radiator. which helped a little bit, with out a fan shroud. Just trying to keep my '67 all original. Thanks for the info. Keep up the great work.
Great problem solving. I’m Having this issue with my 70 Mustang, but have an aftermarket rad with electric fan, struggling to get a fan shroud. Thoroughly enjoyed this video.
Well done Ellie and Dad. You have convinced me I need a shroud for my 65 mustang with a 302. It has an electric fan on it. Just hope I can find one that fits.
Fan shrouds are necessary for daily driving in traffic where you stop and go. However, if you're racing, it's a good idea to take the shroud off to make the most out of the air at racing speeds.
You can usually just bend back the shroud with your hands and you can turn the blade with it off to see the clearance. This video was very good though, I shared it with the mustang group and added it in a comment to the file on overheating in the group.
Great job on this. I have similar problem with my 88 Mustang and it has a factory installed fan shroud and a 180 deg. T-stat. My next fix is to replace the belt driven fan with an electric fan as it will pull more air thru the rad and condenser than the belt driven one. This past summer when I was on Woodward Mi , on the Woodward Cruise the stop and slow go cause the engine to get really hot and even my fuel pump that is in the tank quit . I had to let it sit for an hour to cool before i could go again and then turned off the AC to prevent overheating. That sucked as it was very hot outside(90's). See you next time in the garage.
When I put my fan shroud in, I took the belts off to free spin the blades so I know it will not hit and make adjustment if it did. Save lots of time and frustrations. Nice video tho
Get a recovery can on that radiator. Chances are you are losing coolant and you will constantly need to top it off. I have a 2-row Champion in my 65' Ranchero with a 289 and I installed a SPAL low-profile fan on it. It never gets over 190 even in the summer heat, but a full-on shroud will help that a lot. Good video and good troubleshooting!
Good Job Figuring it out. Shroud concentrates air flow on the radiator core. Do we see an engineering seedling sprouting? Dual Major in the Arts? Just joking, absolutely no pressure. Have Fun finding out.
Good Job Guys! Carl misbehaving a little bit. The Fan Shroud adds that little bit of Safety too. If you do end up adding an Electric Fan do your homework as they pull a fair amount of juice when running.
For my 65 Ford, I had to build my own custom fan shroud out of sheet metal. In the end, it was fairly easy once I bought a sheet metal bending tool from Harbor Freight. My Ford 302 engine no longer over heats. We bolted an electric fan directly to the sheet metal shroud.
How COOL is that? I had about the same issue on my '65 Chevy truck. I had to drill all new holes in the shroud to get anything to line up, so I feel your frustration. Thx for sharing!
I prefer a fan shroud even at the cost of power or whatever the excuse for not having one simply because it cools better. In my experience without one and your engine is warm it will stay warm. Even if you try to idle or rev it to cool it down it will stay warm.
I’m an Aircooled guy. We rely on airflow over the cylinders and an oil cooler. I don’t know much about water cooled, well….now at least I know something.😁
Great job! I wish you were close to me I would build you a custom shroud that covers all of the fins of the radiator. The upper part of the fins that are not covered by the shroud should be to get the most effect from the shroud. Another trick is to put weather stripping between the shroud and radiator so its totally sealed so it has to pull ALL the air through the core of the radiator. Keep up the good work!!
Another great episode, it looks like you've solved another problem and learned some more lessons. When you get Carl back together and running in warm weather next summer you'll know for sure. One thing you may want to talk to you engine guy and Holley about is your initial timing, you may be able to pull out a little advance at idle in drive which can help in stop n go traffic. If the sniper is controlling ignition timing you may be able to do it right from the controller. If you liked driving without doors you can always look into Wranglers or Broncos in the future!
Yea, we're realizing that probably would have been the easier way to go. It would be tight, and we'd have to deal with the belts and all...but still less annoying than pulling the whole radiator. Good point. Thanks!
Are you running a180 deg thermostat? My cooling issues were gone after i replaced the 190 deg thermostat for a 180 degrees. Good luck vinding the cure.
Below someone said ot calls for a 160 thermostat. That is incorrect and I would not suggest lower than a 180 and 190/192 is closer to optimum for the car. If you go with a 160 it is too cold for your heater to do a good job in the car in the winter too. They also said you had to have an overflow or it could blow hoses... also incorrect, their is an overflow and it just pours the coolant on the ground if overheating. This has to do with your radiator cap which is proba ly 13 to 15 psi. You can put a catch but it is not needed. Modern cars pull that back into the radiator when it cools, I don't know for certain if yours would with a catch anyway. I saw you put you had your eye on one. If you put one on I would suggest a small stainless canister style to not look ugly and bulky.
@@ElliesGarage I have an 82 Fairmont with the 200; the Radiator is much larger, but its a single core; and the 'shroud' it came with is literally a flap on the top of the radiator, just enough to keep your hands from getting caught in the fan. I mention it because the Fairmont does catch the coolant spillage, and as K B above mentions, it pulls the excess coolant back into the radiator as it cools off; however its a box-type expansion tank that is integrated with the windshield washer fluid reservoir. its not especially needed nor is it a reservoir type that you are meant to keep some coolant in, however an expansion tank would keep the coolant levels more stable if Carl starts overheating again. I would definitely recommend an expansion tank or bag. the 62/63 Ford Fairlaines and Mercury Meteors had black expansion tank bags that would hang to the back of the radiator support, and the ones with California Emissions in 1963 would have had a small (about 1.5 pint) metal can bolted to the radiator support. If you are looking for a FOMOCO solution, I would definitely recommend looking for one similar to those options.
Sorry about that, and thanks for letting us know. Just checked their site again, and maybe they're just out of stock, but I'd contact Melvin's Classic Ford Parts directly: www.melvinsclassicfordparts.com/ or at 770-761-6800. See if they'll cary it anytime soon. Also, you might check Ebay. Just search "1965 Falcon 6 cylinder fan shroud"
It’s not original to my Falcon (mine was a 4 blade) but it is an original 6 blade Falcon fan. I got it off of a parts car that a local couple gave to me. We’re realizing after some comments that we probably could do that. We would have to remove and retighten the belts but that’s probably less annoying than pulling the whole radiator out.
We thought about that, but we saw a couple of problems. The main one was that it's really hard to fit hands and a box end wrench in between the fan and radiator without a shroud in--it's doable, but hard--and it seems like it would be nearly impossible to reach around and get the fan bolted back on with the shroud in place. Let us know if we're missing something here, though.
That's a good point. One of our Falcon experts, Jerry Kratz, says that he puts a 160 in all of his 6 cylinder engines. We have a 180 and we should probably make that change before next summer. Thank you for that reminder!!
I know this is a year old but good comment. Too cold a thermostat and it stays open all the time. That would explain why it cools when you move. The thermostat is supposed to cycle. That gives the fluid in the radiator time to cool.
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Just tried to replace my daughter’s thermostat on her overheating trailblazer. Her boyfriend took the fan shroud out about a month ago. Glad we watched this
This is the best illustration of the benefits of a shroud I've seen in awhile...good job!
Wow! Thanks so much for that encouragement!!
Great job from you both God bless you
Great video! People underestimate the value of the radiator shroud. You’ve given a perfect illustration of its value.
Wow! Thank you so much!!
Excellent!! You’ll need to check it again in the heat of summer next year. It may still need an auxiliary fan. The Holley system should have outputs to control it. You could do a pusher style between the grill and AC condenser. I’ve had my share of cooling system woes
Good point! We had looked at electric fans to start, but hoped the shroud might take care of it. We'll be sure to double check next summer. Thanks for the tip!
@@ElliesGarage An electric fan would definitely push your fuel mileage a little further as apposed to the belt driven fan.
Just a hint, also seal upper opening of radiator to core support to help all air go through radiator.
Sometimes a sticky thermostat will work well a few times then stick again. If it happens again maybe change thermostat
Sweet! Exactly the video I needed to see to cool down my ‘67 Mustang at idle during the summer months! Loved the visual with the bill. Shocked with the results you got. Thanks!
Glad you got it figured out! I would have suggested shroud. I switched my 64 v8 Comet over to electric fan! No overheating issues. The shroud isn't concentric, it has a build in offset, even though it will bolt on in multiple positions.
Thanks!
One rule that every mechanic including my father always told me is never get frustrated if not you lost nothing is going to come out good and that’s not what we want although it will happen when you feel frustrated walk away and when you feel confident again go back in and do it. Patience is very very needed in mechanic
Great Info. My '67, With a stock 289. Never came with a fan shroud stock. But, on Both my '68 & '69 Falcons with a built 302. I used an electric fan, in front of the radiator. which helped a little bit, with out a fan shroud. Just trying to keep my '67 all original. Thanks for the info. Keep up the great work.
Great problem solving. I’m
Having this issue with my 70 Mustang, but have an aftermarket rad with electric fan, struggling to get a fan shroud.
Thoroughly enjoyed this video.
Well done Ellie and Dad. You have convinced me I need a shroud for my 65 mustang with a 302. It has an electric fan on it. Just hope I can find one that fits.
Kudos the you. It is great to see the younger generation showing interest in the classics. Especially a woman. Great to see!!
Fan shrouds are necessary for daily driving in traffic where you stop and go. However, if you're racing, it's a good idea to take the shroud off to make the most out of the air at racing speeds.
You can usually just bend back the shroud with your hands and you can turn the blade with it off to see the clearance. This video was very good though, I shared it with the mustang group and added it in a comment to the file on overheating in the group.
Thanks! That's good to know. We'll be sure to remember that if we have to do this again in the future. Thanks for the tip!
I don't know if it's known but it's best to take temp@ the block and Indeed I'm enjoying the science of all this cool beans
Great job on this. I have similar problem with my 88 Mustang and it has a factory installed fan shroud and a 180 deg. T-stat. My next fix is to replace the belt driven fan with an electric fan as it will pull more air thru the rad and condenser than the belt driven one. This past summer when I was on Woodward Mi , on the Woodward Cruise the stop and slow go cause the engine to get really hot and even my fuel pump that is in the tank quit . I had to let it sit for an hour to cool before i could go again and then turned off the AC to prevent overheating. That sucked as it was very hot outside(90's). See you next time in the garage.
Hope that fixes it for you. Good luck on your project and thanks for the encouragement!!
When I put my fan shroud in, I took the belts off to free spin the blades so I know it will not hit and make adjustment if it did. Save lots of time and frustrations. Nice video tho
Great tips!!
Get a recovery can on that radiator. Chances are you are losing coolant and you will constantly need to top it off. I have a 2-row Champion in my 65' Ranchero with a 289 and I installed a SPAL low-profile fan on it. It never gets over 190 even in the summer heat, but a full-on shroud will help that a lot. Good video and good troubleshooting!
Thanks for that advice. We'll make sure to get one! Thanks again!
Good Job Figuring it out. Shroud concentrates air flow on the radiator core. Do we see an engineering seedling sprouting? Dual Major in the Arts? Just joking, absolutely no pressure. Have Fun finding out.
Ellie...never look frustrated while working on your car. Gives off bad MOJO and Carl will sense this. Great work
Good Job Guys! Carl misbehaving a little bit. The Fan Shroud adds that little bit of Safety too. If you do end up adding an Electric Fan do your homework as they pull a fair amount of juice when running.
I learn so much watching your TH-cam videos. Keep them coming! Oh and I have a 65 falcon wagon. So I’m with you on the ford falcons.
For my 65 Ford, I had to build my own custom fan shroud out of sheet metal. In the end, it was fairly easy once I bought a sheet metal bending tool from Harbor Freight. My Ford 302 engine no longer over heats. We bolted an electric fan directly to the sheet metal shroud.
Nice!
In my car the shroud is made in 2 pieces and it's so easy to mount
*I installed a new OEM radiator from classic industries (more cores) and a flex-a-lite mechanical fan and my 1976 Camaro runs super cool.*
How COOL is that? I had about the same issue on my '65 Chevy truck. I had to drill all new holes in the shroud to get anything to line up, so I feel your frustration. Thx for sharing!
😂😂 Glad to know we're not alone! Thanks!!
I prefer a fan shroud even at the cost of power or whatever the excuse for not having one simply because it cools better. In my experience without one and your engine is warm it will stay warm. Even if you try to idle or rev it to cool it down it will stay warm.
I'm doing this now with a 65 Mustang. I even upgraded to a Torino radiator Wich is 2.5 inches wider and hold an extra gallon. Still working on it.
Nice! Good luck on your project!!
Interesting. How much of a PITA is it to adapt the Torino radiator to the Mustang?
I’m an Aircooled guy. We rely on airflow over the cylinders and an oil cooler. I don’t know much about water cooled, well….now at least I know something.😁
Thanks, my old 65 Mustang with a 200 six has the same problem. I like you and your dad's videos!
Thanks 👍
One more step forward. I need to replace the radiator on my Mustang with an inline 6. I plan to add a shroud at that time as well.
Great job! I wish you were close to me I would build you a custom shroud that covers all of the fins of the radiator. The upper part of the fins that are not covered by the shroud should be to get the most effect from the shroud. Another trick is to put weather stripping between the shroud and radiator so its totally sealed so it has to pull ALL the air through the core of the radiator. Keep up the good work!!
Thanks so much! And that's so cool that you can make your own!!
You can remove the original fan from the engine. Put the bolts back. Add an after market electric twin fan w/shroud.
Another great episode, it looks like you've solved another problem and learned some more lessons. When you get Carl back together and running in warm weather next summer you'll know for sure. One thing you may want to talk to you engine guy and Holley about is your initial timing, you may be able to pull out a little advance at idle in drive which can help in stop n go traffic. If the sniper is controlling ignition timing you may be able to do it right from the controller.
If you liked driving without doors you can always look into Wranglers or Broncos in the future!
Thank you! Yes, our Sniper controls our timing so we might look at adjusting that next summer. Good idea!
Next time remove the fan bolts. Put the shround in and replace he fan. It will be tight work, but easier than removing a radiator.
Yea, we're realizing that probably would have been the easier way to go. It would be tight, and we'd have to deal with the belts and all...but still less annoying than pulling the whole radiator. Good point. Thanks!
@@ElliesGarage I love the videos each week. Your doing a great job. Keep it up.
Great camera quality and I love your channel!
Thank you for an excellent video. I learned a lot! Carry On!
Sticky thermostat can cause intermittent overheating also if it happens again after doin good change it.
Great job!! Just what i've been looking for
I hope it helps!! Thanks so much!!
The only thing I like about this is the Dad/Daughter experience.
And that's why they come from the factory with fan shrouds.
Aluminum radiator with great electric fans and higher amp alternator
Great jobs guys keep it up enjoying your video's a lot.
Thanks so much!!
7:46 when ya gotta go you gotta go.
Ellie, You should put an Over Flow tank for the Radiator so it doesn't blow a hose off if it builds up too much pressure in the cooling system.
Yes sir. We have the overflow spout, but need to get a hose and tank installed. We have our eye on one from Eckler's. Thank you for the tip!!
Great video!! Thanks!!
Are you running a180 deg thermostat?
My cooling issues were gone after i replaced the 190 deg thermostat for a 180 degrees.
Good luck vinding the cure.
Yep, 180
I wore my Ellie's garage T-shirt for the first time today :) #teamElliesgarage!
That's SO GREAT!! Thank you!! 😀
Below someone said ot calls for a 160 thermostat. That is incorrect and I would not suggest lower than a 180 and 190/192 is closer to optimum for the car. If you go with a 160 it is too cold for your heater to do a good job in the car
in the winter too.
They also said you had to have an overflow or it could blow hoses... also incorrect, their is an overflow and it just pours the coolant on the ground if overheating. This has to do with your radiator cap which is proba ly 13 to 15 psi. You can put a catch but it is not needed. Modern cars pull that back into the radiator when it cools, I don't know for certain if yours would with a catch anyway. I saw you put you had your eye on one. If you put one on I would suggest a small stainless canister style to not look ugly and bulky.
Thank you again for this good advice! I'm definitely learning a lot today!!
@@ElliesGarage I have an 82 Fairmont with the 200; the Radiator is much larger, but its a single core; and the 'shroud' it came with is literally a flap on the top of the radiator, just enough to keep your hands from getting caught in the fan. I mention it because the Fairmont does catch the coolant spillage, and as K B above mentions, it pulls the excess coolant back into the radiator as it cools off; however its a box-type expansion tank that is integrated with the windshield washer fluid reservoir. its not especially needed nor is it a reservoir type that you are meant to keep some coolant in, however an expansion tank would keep the coolant levels more stable if Carl starts overheating again.
I would definitely recommend an expansion tank or bag. the 62/63 Ford Fairlaines and Mercury Meteors had black expansion tank bags that would hang to the back of the radiator support, and the ones with California Emissions in 1963 would have had a small (about 1.5 pint) metal can bolted to the radiator support. If you are looking for a FOMOCO solution, I would definitely recommend looking for one similar to those options.
Vehicle with EFI needs 195 thermostat. Shroud and 7 blade clutch fan will do wonders.
Cooling problems can be very aggravating. Looks like you’ve got it solved. Where did you find your fan shroud?
Thanks! We got it from Melvin’s Ford Parts. Check the description for a link.
Is your dad Adam Sandler? Lol, JK. Great video and nice seeing you two learning and working together on your car.
😂😂😂
You need a shroud on that radiator
Great job good fix
Thank you so much!!!
The link for the fan shroud doesn’t work do you have any other information on where to get one
Sorry about that, and thanks for letting us know. Just checked their site again, and maybe they're just out of stock, but I'd contact Melvin's Classic Ford Parts directly: www.melvinsclassicfordparts.com/ or at 770-761-6800. See if they'll cary it anytime soon. Also, you might check Ebay. Just search "1965 Falcon 6 cylinder fan shroud"
Thank you I love your content
Groovy
Nice work 👌.
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Where did you get the rubber stripping?
We got it at Melvin's Ford Parts:
www.parts123.com/parts123/dyn...
Is that fan original? It looks tiny! Can you remove the fan to install the shroud on that vehicle?
It’s not original to my Falcon (mine was a 4 blade) but it is an original 6 blade Falcon fan. I got it off of a parts car that a local couple gave to me.
We’re realizing after some comments that we probably could do that. We would have to remove and retighten the belts but that’s probably less annoying than pulling the whole radiator out.
@@ElliesGarage watching Ellie and Dad learn as you go is what makes your channel fun to watch.
Very good and a next very good Video Love it ❤️👍❤️
next time dont put coolant in. run the engine for 10-20- seconds to see if everything fits.
Good Job....
Thank you!!!
take the fan off,,,,then slip in the shroud,, replace fan,,
We thought about that, but we saw a couple of problems. The main one was that it's really hard to fit hands and a box end wrench in between the fan and radiator without a shroud in--it's doable, but hard--and it seems like it would be nearly impossible to reach around and get the fan bolted back on with the shroud in place. Let us know if we're missing something here, though.
This sometimes works and what I would have done too... sometimes the fan bolts are too long and hit the radiator. ;) good tip.
Good work!
Thanks so much!!
Very"cool" vid🥶👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😁
Thanks! Ha!!
You must be a dad to make a pun like that!
@@d0peshow I use the pull and pray method, I could be.
Ellie, What temperature thermostat do you have in your car? It calls for a 160 degree thermostat. Keep up the Great Work!!
That's a good point. One of our Falcon experts, Jerry Kratz, says that he puts a 160 in all of his 6 cylinder engines. We have a 180 and we should probably make that change before next summer. Thank you for that reminder!!
I know this is a year old but good comment. Too cold a thermostat and it stays open all the time. That would explain why it cools when you move. The thermostat is supposed to cycle. That gives the fluid in the radiator time to cool.
Stop yelling at me
Cars are girls 😬
@@brimlife6622 mine isn’t
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