One way this could be tweaked is to not use up the "Duchess of Burgundy dies" via mission tree. Maybe move the capital to some other province with separatism for a different tag (Avignon, one of the Irish minors, Mann, one of the Italian minors ...), grant Burgundy all provinces including Paris, click on the natural horse event, release and play as, have (e.g. Manx) rebels enforce, now you are Burgundy. You can then reform France, continue the mission tree including their special CB against the empire and repeat the cheese one more time to reset AE and play as any other tag than France - seeing as the biggest drawback of France is that you can not form any other nations except HRE and Roman Empire.
You could probably form France as many times as you wanted if you released and played as each of the french ducal duchys, since each duchy has their own mission for forming france. Not sure if they would or would not count as the same mission tree.
@@StrategySphere The strongest France *start* starts as France now I'd say. As he mentioned, you can get 25% AE reduction for 15 years after taking Provence and Savoy. With papal control (ideally also careful trait), espionage2, age bonus, prestige you'll have 85-95% AE reduction to conquer Italy and Germany before the age of Reformation. I don't think you can time that as Provence, Burgundy of the like. But yes, Provence-S&P bonuses are huge longterm.
Next you can be England with Angevine Mission Three, i like Lotharingia but the mission three is short, maybe revoke HRE, or maybe form a German Nation.
I played this for much longer, and i made it a rule that I never play as france, and never ally france. Well with 1 exception, when I start as Provence, I am automatically allied with france.
In case you want to save scum for the papal controller be aware, that you will need to do it on average (1-x)/(x^2) times, where x is the chance for getting it. This is also true for any random event. So just be aware, that if you have 50%, you'll need 2 times, but if you have 25% you'll need 12 times (not 4) and if you have 10% you'll need 90 times (not 10).
@@Theplaymaker57 I'm not saying 25% and 1/4 is different. If you have 1/4 chance of being the papal controller you will need (1-1/4)/(1/4^2)=16*3/4=12. Here's a quick proof of my statement. (it's made by me in a bit of a hurry, so please point out mistakes if you see any) drive.google.com/file/d/1TG8-fbg02gUVGLdrfCt3WI2mh0AwQ-K-/view?usp=sharing
What the heck is this Maths? Where have you pulled this from lol? 50% = for every 2 re-loads, you should get it at least once (unless you're very unlucky); 25% = for every 4 re-loads, you should get it at least once (again, unless you're very unlucky).
Here's an explanation I've done in latex: drive.google.com/file/d/1TG8-fbg02gUVGLdrfCt3WI2mh0AwQ-K-/view?usp=drive_link And there's a difference between the expected values of retries to succeed, and expected value of successes in a set number of tries. If you have 1/4 probability, then there's (1-1/4)^4=~0.3 you won't succeed.
1st of all, good strat.. . doing all of those step for what exactly? Just because u can? I mean, forming Burgundy (kinda) from France, gives u what kinda permanent bonus? For eg, forming toothpaste nation give u admin effi, etc. As far as I can tell, burgundy only have 1 useful perma buff (5 trade effi and 10 trade steer) which are mediocre perma bonus, and 33 new heir chance is another not even mediocre bonus. all of those step, just for 20K ducats and mediocre stuffs? I mean what is the point.
One thing you do in this video that is really not a good idea IMO is all those loans, unless they've changed it that means your Burgundy now has something like 20% inflation lol
haters might say castille is the strongest navarra aswell
Strongest Byz strat is to start as Ottoblob
Also dev Polis to 15-15-15 befor turnin into byz )
You don’t get the Byz gov type, I believe, including pronoiar subject type if you do it that way
That's a cowards strategy and it doesn't count
@@Rivski The game allows it, so it counts. Still cheesey.
How do you do that? I thought they removed that? Unless I’m thinking about the wrong thing
20k ducats Zero loans. Most of italy and all of france Zero AE 😳
That’s the op part, get quantity idea, trade and religious is gg
This is some serious tech. Love watching the creative use of gameplay mechanics.
You come up with some of the weirdest strats, and I love it. Sure is entertaining.
Honestly the part where you can join the HRE is what MAKES this for me. Way early game, become the emperor, profit
Protestants would be about to appear though.
@@Silverhand404 flip to protestant, lead the reformation, win the religious war as league leader, youre the emperor profit
“Dumb fries”
“Bass poeetoe”
“Soota”
“Aviggnon”
“Ootred”
"appendage"
Truly an american moment
I'm convinced he's doing it on purpose now
It is funny that it looks he is not trying to be funny while most of well known content creators try hard and fail miserably lol
the mispronounciation is so good it sounds unintentional enough keep going
I've heard of forming France as Burgundy, but never the other way around
You could always reform France if you wanted too
form Russia as Prussia rofl
Def want to see the next episode of this one
One way this could be tweaked is to not use up the "Duchess of Burgundy dies" via mission tree. Maybe move the capital to some other province with separatism for a different tag (Avignon, one of the Irish minors, Mann, one of the Italian minors ...), grant Burgundy all provinces including Paris, click on the natural horse event, release and play as, have (e.g. Manx) rebels enforce, now you are Burgundy. You can then reform France, continue the mission tree including their special CB against the empire and repeat the cheese one more time to reset AE and play as any other tag than France - seeing as the biggest drawback of France is that you can not form any other nations except HRE and Roman Empire.
Challange: see how many times you'd be able to turn from france into burgundy and back over and over again
You actually aren't allowed to form any nation more than once... (I tried) At least via decisions.
@@Theplaymaker57 absolutely ass
@@Theplaymaker57 Form as many nations as possible then? See how long the chain can go.
You could probably form France as many times as you wanted if you released and played as each of the french ducal duchys, since each duchy has their own mission for forming france. Not sure if they would or would not count as the same mission tree.
I do wonder if you could form Lotharingia as Burgundy, release and play as Lorraine, and then reform lotharingia.
This is absolutely insane and I love it wow I'm still in shock how you managed to do this all by yourself👏👏
Second “apanage” prononciation was perfect
Thank you. I scrolled down to find out the moment he asked.
You can exploit tax dev when you hit gov cap. Once you hit a dominant position in several trade nodes tax income become irrelevant.
This guy kinda reminds me of vagrant holiday, if he made a channel for euiv ahahhaha. Cheers for the videos m8, good stuff
It is funny that the strongest France is starting as Burgandy, and the strongest Burgandy is starting as France 😅😅😅
The strongest ever France is starting as Provence though!
@@StrategySphere
The strongest France *start* starts as France now I'd say. As he mentioned, you can get 25% AE reduction for 15 years after taking Provence and Savoy. With papal control (ideally also careful trait), espionage2, age bonus, prestige you'll have 85-95% AE reduction to conquer Italy and Germany before the age of Reformation.
I don't think you can time that as Provence, Burgundy of the like. But yes, Provence-S&P bonuses are huge longterm.
Burgundy is the new blue.
Nice strategy. I don’t personally like to play with cheesy strategies/exploits but they are definitely interesting to watch.
this strat is insane wtf
This red is amazing.
Would the colour be burgundy? :P
Great stuff mate. Just gonna point out that since you speak so fast if you lower speed to 0,75 i bet we get exactly what you sound like drunk. :D
Appenage you pronounced correctly: App-en-ahh-ge
Avignon you pronounced incorrectly: Av-in-yon
The French and their funky annunciations.
Next you can be England with Angevine Mission Three, i like Lotharingia but the mission three is short, maybe revoke HRE, or maybe form a German Nation.
BIG ALBANIA LETS GOOOO
How tf did he annexed during the war
continue the run and try to form the HRE
I would try this but I will never play fr*nce in my 1 year of playing this game.
A true Englishman(?)
Extremely Based
I played this for much longer, and i made it a rule that I never play as france, and never ally france. Well with 1 exception, when I start as Provence, I am automatically allied with france.
@@ominousflames14 I allied France as Brandenburg because the Catholic League had Poland and Muscovy. I wish I could be as Chad as you..
Based on
The framerate seems to drop halfway through.. but might be a me issue
The strategy no longer works. Why did paradox change?
CONTINUE THIS RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just watch this guy only because he sounds funny :D
interesting. nice exploit , nit entierely dure on how the ducats are transferred, it is split development wise whet you release BUR?
Form Lotharignia, then go for HRE emperor and reform maybe?
genious
I want this save
gawd daymn
...and then you form France.
GG
Continue
In case you want to save scum for the papal controller be aware, that you will need to do it on average (1-x)/(x^2) times, where x is the chance for getting it. This is also true for any random event.
So just be aware, that if you have 50%, you'll need 2 times, but if you have 25% you'll need 12 times (not 4) and if you have 10% you'll need 90 times (not 10).
That is not how probability works sir. 25% is still 1/4
@@Theplaymaker57 I'm not saying 25% and 1/4 is different. If you have 1/4 chance of being the papal controller you will need (1-1/4)/(1/4^2)=16*3/4=12.
Here's a quick proof of my statement. (it's made by me in a bit of a hurry, so please point out mistakes if you see any)
drive.google.com/file/d/1TG8-fbg02gUVGLdrfCt3WI2mh0AwQ-K-/view?usp=sharing
What the heck is this Maths? Where have you pulled this from lol? 50% = for every 2 re-loads, you should get it at least once (unless you're very unlucky); 25% = for every 4 re-loads, you should get it at least once (again, unless you're very unlucky).
Here's an explanation I've done in latex: drive.google.com/file/d/1TG8-fbg02gUVGLdrfCt3WI2mh0AwQ-K-/view?usp=drive_link
And there's a difference between the expected values of retries to succeed, and expected value of successes in a set number of tries. If you have 1/4 probability, then there's (1-1/4)^4=~0.3 you won't succeed.
1st of all, good strat..
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doing all of those step for what exactly? Just because u can?
I mean, forming Burgundy (kinda) from France, gives u what kinda permanent bonus?
For eg, forming toothpaste nation give u admin effi, etc.
As far as I can tell, burgundy only have 1 useful perma buff (5 trade effi and 10 trade steer) which are mediocre perma bonus, and 33 new heir chance is another not even mediocre bonus.
all of those step, just for 20K ducats and mediocre stuffs? I mean what is the point.
France is an End game tag, burgundy is not. So we can now tag switch and gain many modifiers.
One thing you do in this video that is really not a good idea IMO is all those loans, unless they've changed it that means your Burgundy now has something like 20% inflation lol
I reduced all the inflation prior to switching with the estate priv. It is shown in the video
Mid max Nevara or Albania
bruh
Bruh
Love the mispronouncations. Keep them coming.