Los Angeles was used by the NFL as a bargaining chip against cities to blackmail them to build new stadiums. Arizona, Seattle, Minnesota, Oakland, Buffalo, Jacksonville, St. Louis, and San Diego, all of these teams were threatening to move to Los Angeles at one point just to get public funding for their stadiums. In fact Seattle had moving trucks on the road at one point. As of now all those teams except for Buffalo (Which is in the process of getting one), has either gotten a new stadium, moved to L.A., or in the case of Jacksonville, has made a huge amount of improvements to their stadium.
Baltimore was also used as a chip, the runner up city for the St. Louis Cardinals was Baltimore. However, the Bidwells wanted to move where it was warm.
The Baltimdome which was supposed to be a multipurpose domed stadium on the site of Orioles Park at Camden Yards for the O's and Colts. Instead, they built Oriole Park and Camden Yards, kept the Warehouse and later built a stadium for the Ravens south of it.
NFL is all about making money. Kronke moved the Rams back to LA where he could make a ton even though he and investors paid to build the stadium as part of a big entertainment district. St. Louis didnt have a chance. I dont think they should have moved from LA in the first place but we had a good time in STL while we had them. We should not have been so cheap earlier and the Cardinals would still be here.
Would've been nice to see one or both "New York" teams play IN New York. Makes me wonder where the Giants held their last two championship parades. Especially since their stadium AND their headquarters are held in Jersey
Large stadiums like this just don't naturally fit into such large cities. these stadiums are empty the majority of the time and when there is an event all the traffic would be spilled onto city streets where people are trying to go about their day. I always thought they should of built a stadium in the same parking lot as Citi Field. on the edge of town so you can still take transit and fams from the suburbs don't have to use the city streets.
I AM a lifelong Jets fan of about 53 or so years, and I like the West Side Stadium idea better than I like MetLife Stadium. MetLife to me, is just big and doesn't appear to be anything particularly special about it. Question I have is why are teams anting to build downtown, where you are going to be displacing not only citizens but businesses as well. Not only that, parking is a real hassle (for the people/fans) AND a real hustle (for that particular team). I'm watching how everything is unfolding in Oakland for my Athletics. Howard Terminal seems like a no-brainer for everyone, and the City of Oakland is really dragging their feet. Might be calling them the Last Vegas Athletics pretty soon.😔
@@TheUncleSpiderX the chargers staying at sofi makes more sense than the jets staying at metlife, metlife is just not up to standard despite being a newer stadium, even though chargers aren't even good for LA.
Los Angeles resident here, no the city didn't "Believe the lack of a stadium kept them from getting a team", they knew. This is why the Rams and Raiders left in the first place. The only stadiums around at the time were 80 years old (Now 100 years old - Rose Bowl & The Coliseum). The Rose Bowl is known for not wanting too many events as the neighborhood controls what happens there. They even turned down the Chargers when the Chargers moved to Los Angeles and were looking for a place to play. The truth is none of the proposals were taken seriously until the Farmers Field one, and then when Kreonke bought the land that was Hollywood Park. Every other "proposal" was dismissed as a rumor because they never had any real traction.
@user-rq6zx2qz9d I agree, I wished St. Louis would have approved the rental car field. And I wish Spanos would of just waited till snap dragon stadium gets completed so that chargers could move next door but no. That cost my favorite XFL team Los Angeles Wildcats to go bye bye. But it is what it is
Slight correction: Nobody was looking at Hartford as a landing for the Patriots until after Kraft owned the team. Orthwein took over Pats ownership as a favor to the League, as the previous owners had left the team in financial shambles. It was true that Orthwein would have liked to move the Pats to St. Louis, but Kraft owned the unbreakable lease on the Stadium and the surrounding land, and used that as leverage to get Orthwein to sell the team to him. There was a wink-wink deal - with League assurances behind the scenes - that soon the NFL would have a team in St. Louis one way or another (either expansion or relocation). So Orthwein sold the Patriots to Kraft to get out of it clean. Kraft's later dalliance with Hartford was leverage to get a better deal in Massachusetts. Yes, Kraft would have gone to Hartford if the state of Connecticut could keep to its promises and deadlines, but Kraft didn't really think they could, and he didn't really want to go there if it could be helped. He thought backing out of Hartford was a reasonable possibility that he might have to resort to, as politicians' promises on theses things don't always turn out right. Massachusetts was giving Kraft a lot of difficulty, but staying there was always his first priority.
14:40 Had the Patriots moved to Hartford they would have lost most of the Boston and eastern Massachusetts fan base and the NFL and Bob Kraft knew it as well .Having lived 20 minutes from Foxborough I myself would never have rooted or supported The Harford Patriots. The whole city of Hartford is a ghetto and besides we consider it Giants and jets territory.
Thankfully, St. Louis never did that because the thing would already be obsolete. Cities want domed venues that can be used to generate capital year-round, and if they're gonna shell out billions to build them, I can't blame them.
Some people in Washington, DC call it "The unofficial 51st State". The license plate slogan is "End Taxation Without Representation." There is an annual DC State Fair at Gateway Pavillion Park in Southeast DC.
@@MarloSoBalJr I know, although DC has tried to get statehood for years. They have a non voting member of the Senate. And the only ALL CAPS we support here is the hockey team.
The 49ers had a stadium deal approved and in place with the City of San Francisco before Eddie DeBartolo got caught up in that scandal. It was a stadium mall near the site of Candlestick park.
Some of the locals here call DC “The Unofficial 51st State” They have been fighting for Statehood for years. the license plates say “End Taxation without Representation” and there is even a DC State Fair at Gateway Pavillion Park in Southeast every year.
@@frankdenardo8684 We have had the Super Bowl twice here in Minneapolis. The most recent in 2018 because our new stadium just opened. That was part of the deal to get the stadium built. It’s in downtown Minneapolis and despite our winter weather overall it went pretty good . But no I don’t see us getting another Super Bowl in the foreseeable future lol
14:40 Had the Patriots moved to Hartford they would have lost most of the Boston and eastern Massachusetts fan base and the NFL and Bob Kraft knew it as well .Having lived 20 minutes from Foxborough I myself would never have rooted or supported The Harford Patriots. The whole city of Hartford is a ghetto and besides we consider it Giants and jets territory.
The Carson stadium project was actually the second attempt to build one. The first attempt was in 1995 when the league was about to expand. Unfortunately, the Coliseum Commission didn't want any competing stadiums built. This wound up causing LA to lose the chance to get an expansion team and Houston wound up getting the Texans.
@@1999bill1999 yep. In fact, the second team was in all likelihood going to be UCLA, who were looking into leaving the Rose Bowl. Also, another reason he left was he wanted guarantees on the PSL's. However, what never gets mentioned is that at the time Davis owed millions to the IRS and he needed the money in a hurry. So it was either move the team or sell his interest in the team. Also, the Raiders moving back to Oakland had an unforseen side effect. Had the plans for the stadium gone through the next step was to tear down the Forum and build a new arena in the parking lot. However, when the plans fell through AEG, who owned the Kings, decided to build the arena that became Staples Center in Downtown LA.
@@1999bill1999 thanks for that little reminder. Irwindale would have been interesting due to it being close to the 10, 210 and 605 freeways. Also, it was close to San Bernadino County and the Inland Empire where they have a huge fan base.
14:40 Had the Patriots moved to Hartford they would have lost most of the Boston and eastern Massachusetts fan base and the NFL and Bob Kraft knew it as well .Having lived 20 minutes from Foxborough I myself would never have rooted or supported The Harford Patriots. The whole city of Hartford is a ghetto and besides we consider it Giants and jets territory.
There were some stadiums that looked better than others, and I understand why the New York stadiums for the jets weren't built and didn't want to host the 2012 Olympics. Hosting the Olympics takes a lot to host it. Look at other places that hosted the Olympics. The buildings were left abandoned and were never used again. But imagine if some of these stadiums were built, they could have hosted Wrestlemania, and from what I heard, whatever city hosts the event , it benefits from it
The 49ers stadium got a mania a few years after it was built.. the first stadium design for San Francisco was similar to the one they actually built. It's sad so many of these stadiums get caught up in city politics
That’s why DC will never host it, even in conjunction with Baltimore. Too many Government agencies and traffic is bad as it is, even with the Metro there.
Those stadiums wouldn't be left abandoned, especially in NYC. Look at Atlanta. They hosted the Olympics & still used all of the venues after the Olympics were done.
The Buffalo Bills had a chance to build a domed stadium in Lancaster NY a suburb of Buffalo NY..B4 it built its current stadium in Orchrd Park NY..It had a vry cool design..It almost lookd like a landed UFO..It would been the 1st dome stadium for northern NFL teams.. MINN & DET hadn’t built theirs yet either..& couldve have the first northrn the city to host a Super Bowl..ahead of MINN & DET (& thats the only reason theyve ever hostd a Super Bowl..Dome stadiums)..But local politics got in the way once again..They saw the pricetag for the project..& opted out of it..for the cheaper outdoor stadium in Orchrd Park..They couldve “righted that wrong”..by puttng the team back in downtown BFLO..doming it..& also using it in part, as a convention center.. Which the city & country had planned on doing anywy..& the better economic spin off it wouldve developd for the entire region..The short-sightd state & local govt politicians opted once again for the cheaper, easier to move across the street & stay in Orchrd Park NY out -door stadium..Funny thing is they a Canadian contractor who wouldve done the downtown domed stadium project..wth no public/taxpayer money.. They still said no to that proposal..
I wouldn't be crazy about a football stadium in downtown Buffalo, but the open-air stadium they're building in Orchard Park is a boondoggle at best. The awning isn't going to protect fans from rain, snow, or cold. The heated seats will be out of order before you know it. They've already changed the number of heated seats to just a fraction of what was originally promised. And best of all, they've barely broken ground and it's already more than $300 million over budget. Should have just build a domed stadium.
As someone who lived in Connecticut during that time, be assured the Patriots were never coming to Hartford. Kraft used the state the same way Peter Karmanos did before the Whalers moved.
Texans are Dookie when it compares to love in Texas bro Cowboys are the team for Texas yea the Texans have some fans but I'm willing to bet more people in Houston love the Dallas Cowboys remember the Texans are not even 25 years old the Cowboys are alot older and established 5x Superbowl Champions vrs not even an AFC Championship game Appearance @randomnflravensfan1994
Would have been a nice new beautiful stadium but hosting a Super Bowl the second week of February in New York City the weather conditions would have been a factor. The league likes to have perfect weather conditions when it comes down to hosting the big game.
@@anthonys3631 it had a roof and they had it in Minnesota a few years back. I mean New York city is a tourist destination as is but imagine a Superbowl in downtown New York. I remember they had one at giants stadium but that is technically new Jersey.
@@warrenkemmer1307 Yes because Minnesota's stadium was brand new and indoors plus the league was trying to give them an economic benefit for having constructed their new stadium.
@@anthonys3631 holy f**k there is no consistency in anything you've said in your 2 replies. The proposed NY stadium would also be INDOORS like Minnesota. You managed to somehow miss that in the video and the dude's comment who you replied to. And just so you know, cities have to bid to host the superbowl, they didn't just gift Minnesota the superbowl out of good will.
Gotta say, Robert Kraft made a VERY smart move to hold out cos his new Foxborough complex is worth a f*ck-ton nowadays. Hartford & Connecticut missed out big time on value
I took a helicopter ride around the city and that rail yard is STILL there. As a Jets fan I was SO excited to get our own stadium that looked cool and not the HVAC that's MetLife. Imagine during nice weather taking ferries to the stadium from Jersey and and having a ball.
@@dromulio I could be wrong but didn't St Louis get its name from the French King Louis I can't remember the number ? If yes then the way the narrator was pronouncing it is correct
The Carson, CA stadium looks pretty much like the Raiders new Allogent Stadium in Vegas. Of course there were some tweaks (LIKE alligent is a domed stadium because games in Vegas could easily be played in Temps near or over 100°F well into October) but o erall the designs are pretty similar, almost like the Carson stadium was a rough draft for the final design in Vegas for Alligent Stadium.
Yeah, I don’t think the state of Washington is going to help the Commanders much either, especially considering they have the Seahawks in Seattle. 🤦♂️
The Commanders don't play in Washington State, you must mean the District of Columbia who when Sharon Pratt Kelly was Mayor, called then Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke a “Billioniare Bully” and talks for a new stadium broke off and he got one in the the Maryland suburbs of Landover.
@@rockvilleraven Wait a minute. You mean I’ve been living in DC my whole life and have been thinking the Redskins were from Washington state? NO WAY!!!
Madison square Garden and the site of what could have been The West Side stadium are not next to each other. There are about eight blocks separating them.
Wish the Chargers had their own venue to play in, rather than sharing a stadium with the landlords (the Rams) who own it. Ed Roski could have purchased a minority steak of the Bolts and have them play at the then-City of Industry stadium and represent the I.E. and the O.C., nearby.
@1999bill1999 it's extremely rare for the NFL to allow 2 stadiums to be built within the same county or counties, while representing the same city they're based in. Though in the alternative world, I wish the Chargers (aka Chokers) would've been calling the City of Industry/Grand Crossing Stadium home and being named the "Anaheim Chargers," despite playing in L.A. County, but not only that, the Clippers could've been playing their home games at the Honda Center, while sharing the arena with the Ducks. Heck, Anaheim getting an MLS expansion team, instead of L.A. getting another one. This is how it would've been in a alternative universe: Anaheim Chargers Anaheim Angels (no name change) Anaheim Clippers Anaheim Ducks Anaheim FC (imaginary name) All these O.C. teams would've represented the O.C. and the I.E. while competing with the L.A. teams that have more success than their counterparts. I know this my long writing and wishing this existed today.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 where would we be without you. Anyways @DieYuppiieSkum Spanos simply didnt have the capital. In fact he was willing to defer 500 mill, then put anything more than 350 million into downtown San Diego, even with the NFL throwing hundreds of millions into the pit so the team stayed. You reap what you sow, the Chargers didnt sell out ONE game this season at "home". Dead last in local TV ratings too.
So many mispronunciations. The Jets/Giants stadium is located in East* Rutherford, not "Easter" Rutherford. The town is named after the fact that it's located in east New Jersey, not because it was founded by the Easter Bunny! And last time I checked the "S" in St. Louis is not silent.
Also heard that. The use of the simple word "of" would have fixed it. The way he said it sounds like the guy was a politician from the movie Idiocracy.
"In the future" being 30 years down the road. They have only been in MetLife Stadium for 13 years. They do have an "opt-out" in 2 years and then every 5 years after that. The caveat is that they have to give 12 months' notice. So, if they wanted to leave in 2 years then they would have to announce that in 12 months. THAT isn't going to happen. They couldn't find a suitable alternative that quickly. So, the first legitimate opportunity to move would be at the 20-year mark in 7 years. 7 years is about the minimum amount of time it would take, especially given all of the red tape that New York is notorious for. Then the question becomes, "Where?" It would likely be a $2B+ project to build an NFL football stadium somewhere in New York City. For reference, NYCFC is spending over $700M to build a 25,000 seat soccer stadium next to Citi Field. That's about 1/3 the size of what an NFL stadium would need to be and the land they're building on is already cleared and part of the Citi Field property.
If they ever do I can see it being built next to Citi Field (where Shea used to stand), or possibly near Belmont Park but likely not in the heart of Manhattan like Westside would have been.
@@joecostantino3684 the new NYCFC soccer stadium is going next to Citi Field. I doubt there's room for a third stadium on that site and still have enough parking for football or a sellout baseball game.
One great thing about Allegiant Stadium here in Vegas is that, even though $750 million of public funds were used to help fund the stadium, in order to basically pay that back, it was decided to raise the room tax that visitors have to pay when renting rooms at the various hotels here in Vegas and because of that, the $750 mil was basically payed almost 100% back in the 3 years it took to build the stadium. So, for all of us Vegas NFL fans that have wanted an NFL team here for as long as we can remember (though I am not a Raiders fan, I am still happy to finally have an NFL team to go with our NEW and not relocated NHL team) I just want to say THANK YOU to all of the tourists who basically foot the bill for the amount that the state of Nevada decided to put up to help have the stadium built.
It's a shame the Carson project didn't get approved and the stadium never got built, because L.A fans wanted the Raiders back more than the Rams. Raider Nation is much stronger in SoCal and most of the fanbase is located in Los Angeles than in both Oakland and Las Vegas. It was very evident when the Raiders were at SoFi Stadium to play both the Chargers and Rams and there was nothing but fans clad in Silver and Black. Raiders in Las Vegas just feels wrong..they're a California team. I'm glad you got your own NHL team instead of taking someone else's, but Quebec City was more deserving than Vegas or Seattle because it made more sense to bring back the Nordiques before putting another team in the desert or one in the Pacific Northwest.
Yes, after the fail bid, Mark Davis apparently loved the designed of the stadium, he took them for his proposed stadium in Vegas. The difference in the Vegas stadium vs Carson, the roof on the top, with the retractable door by the cauldron and the black exterior. Carson Stadium was exactly the same minus those item’s mentioned before
Yes, the Rams got the stadium that the Chargers are tenants to. However, both teams were on opposite sides to return to LA in the mid 2010’s. Stan Kronke purchased the land that was formerly the Hollywood Park Racetrack in Inglewood. The Chargers, with the Raiders proposed a stadium in Carson. The Raiders/Chargers got the initial approval from the stadium committee but Jerry Jones met with all the other owners and suggested that they get behind Kronke’a stadium cause Stan had the big pockets to ensure the Rams didn’t fail in LA. When the Rams won the vote to relocate, the NFL gave the Chargers the first shot at relocating to LA if their city, San Diego, didn’t support their proposal on a new stadium. In the 2016 election, the City of Sam Diego voted on the stadium and rejected the ideal. On the one year anniversary of the Rams winning the relocation vote, the Chargers informed the NFL their intention to relocate to LA into SoFi Stadium.
Yeah, the Falcons new stadium (Mercedes-Benz Stadium?) looks....well....when closed not that bad but when you watch the roof open the way it does it looks like Megatron's anus dilating and getting ready to take a shite!!
We have beautiful sports facilities physically located in New Jersey. However, it has the wrong team names, the wrong cities 🏙️ and the wrong state. MetLife Stadium 🏟️ is physically located in the Borough of East Rutherford, Bergen County, New Jersey, home of the New York 🚫 Jets, the New York Giants and the XFL New York Guardians. The team's headquarters are physically located in New Jersey. Both teams should be referred to as a NEW JERSEY team. Red Bull 🐂Arena is physically located in the town of Harrison, Hudson County, New Jersey. It the home of the New York 🚫 Red Bulls 🐂. The team stadium 🏟️ and headquarters are physically located in New Jersey. It should referred to as the New Jersey Red Bulls 🐂. Period. I'm sick and tired of New Jersey playing second-fiddle to New York City and Philadelphia, on both sides of the Hudson and Delaware Rivers.
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I was wondering about that. Like surely on the BBC they say "iss".
Nelly would like to talk to you about that
Los Angeles was used by the NFL as a bargaining chip against cities to blackmail them to build new stadiums. Arizona, Seattle, Minnesota, Oakland, Buffalo, Jacksonville, St. Louis, and San Diego, all of these teams were threatening to move to Los Angeles at one point just to get public funding for their stadiums. In fact Seattle had moving trucks on the road at one point. As of now all those teams except for Buffalo (Which is in the process of getting one), has either gotten a new stadium, moved to L.A., or in the case of Jacksonville, has made a huge amount of improvements to their stadium.
I think Seattle at one point in the mid 90s had actually already set up offices in Anaheim before the NFL stepped in.
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And now, Austin, Texas is the new bargaining chip
Baltimore was also used as a chip, the runner up city for the St. Louis Cardinals was Baltimore. However, the Bidwells wanted to move where it was warm.
@hovz Exactly the NFL always knew they were coming back to LA it was all a game
The St Louis stadium never had a chance because Kroenke was always going to move the team
Yea in all seriousness he had zero intention of remaining in St Louis
The Baltimdome which was supposed to be a multipurpose domed stadium on the site of Orioles Park at Camden Yards for the O's and Colts. Instead, they built Oriole Park and Camden Yards, kept the Warehouse and later built a stadium for the Ravens south of it.
14:39 I vote for Boston, Massachusetts
NFL is all about making money. Kronke moved the Rams back to LA where he could make a ton even though he and investors paid to build the stadium as part of a big entertainment district. St. Louis didnt have a chance. I dont think they should have moved from LA in the first place but we had a good time in STL while we had them. We should not have been so cheap earlier and the Cardinals would still be here.
Even though I’m not a jets fan, I would’ve loved the idea of west side stadium. And I also loved the farmers stadium in la.
Would've been nice to see one or both "New York" teams play IN New York. Makes me wonder where the Giants held their last two championship parades. Especially since their stadium AND their headquarters are held in Jersey
Large stadiums like this just don't naturally fit into such large cities. these stadiums are empty the majority of the time and when there is an event all the traffic would be spilled onto city streets where people are trying to go about their day.
I always thought they should of built a stadium in the same parking lot as Citi Field. on the edge of town so you can still take transit and fams from the suburbs don't have to use the city streets.
I AM a lifelong Jets fan of about 53 or so years, and I like the West Side Stadium idea better than I like MetLife Stadium. MetLife to me, is just big and doesn't appear to be anything particularly special about it. Question I have is why are teams anting to build downtown, where you are going to be displacing not only citizens but businesses as well. Not only that, parking is a real hassle (for the people/fans) AND a real hustle (for that particular team). I'm watching how everything is unfolding in Oakland for my Athletics. Howard Terminal seems like a no-brainer for everyone, and the City of Oakland is really dragging their feet. Might be calling them the Last Vegas Athletics pretty soon.😔
Farmers Field would of been a disaster and a terrible fan experience
@@djtrankilo231 they held it in downtown Manhattan in the Canyon of Heroes like most of the NY team parades
The Jets could build their own stadium somewhere in Long Island
Still don’t understand why they won’t do this for the jets and chargers
@@TheUncleSpiderX the chargers staying at sofi makes more sense than the jets staying at metlife, metlife is just not up to standard despite being a newer stadium, even though chargers aren't even good for LA.
@@thederpyhuman4147 nah I just think each team should have their OWN stadium
Kinda messes up their identities and fan bsse
@@TheUncleSpiderX I agree. You could give a stadium a lot more character if there was only 1 team to characterize it to
There was talk about putting it near Citifield.
Los Angeles resident here, no the city didn't "Believe the lack of a stadium kept them from getting a team", they knew. This is why the Rams and Raiders left in the first place. The only stadiums around at the time were 80 years old (Now 100 years old - Rose Bowl & The Coliseum). The Rose Bowl is known for not wanting too many events as the neighborhood controls what happens there. They even turned down the Chargers when the Chargers moved to Los Angeles and were looking for a place to play.
The truth is none of the proposals were taken seriously until the Farmers Field one, and then when Kreonke bought the land that was Hollywood Park. Every other "proposal" was dismissed as a rumor because they never had any real traction.
@user-rq6zx2qz9d I agree, I wished St. Louis would have approved the rental car field. And I wish Spanos would of just waited till snap dragon stadium gets completed so that chargers could move next door but no. That cost my favorite XFL team Los Angeles Wildcats to go bye bye. But it is what it is
I'm thinking the NFL wanted the Rams back in LA all along.
@@edwardnygma2702 I think the Coliseum is considered a historical landmark though, kinda like Soldier Field was until Chicago screwed that up.
@@joecostantino3684 yeah it would practically be like that if they did renovate, which would probably hurt Trojan and Olympic events.
@@joecostantino3684the only reason why the NFL is back in Los Angeles is because they wanted the TV market
Slight correction: Nobody was looking at Hartford as a landing for the Patriots until after Kraft owned the team. Orthwein took over Pats ownership as a favor to the League, as the previous owners had left the team in financial shambles. It was true that Orthwein would have liked to move the Pats to St. Louis, but Kraft owned the unbreakable lease on the Stadium and the surrounding land, and used that as leverage to get Orthwein to sell the team to him. There was a wink-wink deal - with League assurances behind the scenes - that soon the NFL would have a team in St. Louis one way or another (either expansion or relocation). So Orthwein sold the Patriots to Kraft to get out of it clean. Kraft's later dalliance with Hartford was leverage to get a better deal in Massachusetts. Yes, Kraft would have gone to Hartford if the state of Connecticut could keep to its promises and deadlines, but Kraft didn't really think they could, and he didn't really want to go there if it could be helped. He thought backing out of Hartford was a reasonable possibility that he might have to resort to, as politicians' promises on theses things don't always turn out right. Massachusetts was giving Kraft a lot of difficulty, but staying there was always his first priority.
14:40 Had the Patriots moved to Hartford they would have lost most of the Boston and eastern Massachusetts fan base and the NFL and Bob Kraft knew it as well .Having lived 20 minutes from Foxborough I myself would never have rooted or supported The Harford Patriots. The whole city of Hartford is a ghetto and besides we consider it Giants and jets territory.
Thankfully, St. Louis never did that because the thing would already be obsolete.
Cities want domed venues that can be used to generate capital year-round, and if they're gonna shell out billions to build them, I can't blame them.
This was a great video. I love sports stadium history. I learned a lot. Thanks!
State of Washington and Washington DC are two separate places. 🙄
Some people in Washington, DC call it "The unofficial 51st State". The license plate slogan is "End Taxation Without Representation." There is an annual DC State Fair at Gateway Pavillion Park in Southeast DC.
@@rockvilleraven Yeah but Washington STATE and Washington DC are two different places
@@MarloSoBalJr I know, although DC has tried to get statehood for years. They have a non voting member of the Senate. And the only ALL CAPS we support here is the hockey team.
@@rockvilleraven Does not change the fact stated in the original comment. So what's your point?
You should sell this video to insomniacs. It put me to sleep.
The 49ers had a stadium deal approved and in place with the City of San Francisco before Eddie DeBartolo got caught up in that scandal. It was a stadium mall near the site of Candlestick park.
I was coming here to comment on this very same thing....
0:04 West Side Stadium has failed 14 years ago
In 2027 NYC FC will have a new stadium next door to Citi Bank Field
The Redskins don't play in the state of Washington.
And their owner's name is not "Dan Cinder" either.
Doomed or domed
He also said "Summerfield" but there isn't one here in Maryland
It's "Landover"
@@rkupiecjr knowing Washington both
Some of the locals here call DC “The Unofficial 51st State” They have been fighting for Statehood for years. the license plates say “End Taxation without Representation” and there is even a DC State Fair at Gateway Pavillion Park in Southeast every year.
Some of these stadiums could’ve hosted the Super Bowl.
Has to be in a sunbelt area
@@frankdenardo8684 not if indoors. They'd prefer a northern dome to a southern open air
@@frankdenardo8684 We have had the Super Bowl twice here in Minneapolis. The most recent in 2018 because our new stadium just opened. That was part of the deal to get the stadium built. It’s in downtown Minneapolis and despite our winter weather overall it went pretty good . But no I don’t see us getting another Super Bowl in the foreseeable future lol
Ok that spanish mission stadium design looks awesome
23:22 thankfully they managed to get UsBank Stadium approved after the Dome collapsed
only 1 billion for a stadium in new york is a fucking bargain
The Hartford one would have been cool
14:40 Had the Patriots moved to Hartford they would have lost most of the Boston and eastern Massachusetts fan base and the NFL and Bob Kraft knew it as well .Having lived 20 minutes from Foxborough I myself would never have rooted or supported The Harford Patriots. The whole city of Hartford is a ghetto and besides we consider it Giants and jets territory.
@@willisapril as someone from the Hartford area, definitely not new york territory, that's Fairfield/shoreline
@@jiggajames4623 Maybe nowadays but before Tom Brady there were very few Patriots fans in Connecticut.
Seeing James Dolan strike down something that would make another NY area team money
He tried to block Barclays Center. Even when they were thinking about putting domes on Yankee Stadium & Citi Field his panties were in a bunch.
8:16 I vote for Anaheim
Me too
Me three
So do I
But they never use the money for anything better
12:34 I thought it looked a lot like the Astrodome
The Carson stadium project was actually the second attempt to build one. The first attempt was in 1995 when the league was about to expand. Unfortunately, the Coliseum Commission didn't want any competing stadiums built. This wound up causing LA to lose the chance to get an expansion team and Houston wound up getting the Texans.
Al Davis had a stadium deal at the site where SoFi Stadium is but he backed out of the deal because he didn’t want to take in a second team
@@1999bill1999 yep. In fact, the second team was in all likelihood going to be UCLA, who were looking into leaving the Rose Bowl. Also, another reason he left was he wanted guarantees on the PSL's. However, what never gets mentioned is that at the time Davis owed millions to the IRS and he needed the money in a hurry. So it was either move the team or sell his interest in the team.
Also, the Raiders moving back to Oakland had an unforseen side effect. Had the plans for the stadium gone through the next step was to tear down the Forum and build a new arena in the parking lot. However, when the plans fell through AEG, who owned the Kings, decided to build the arena that became Staples Center in Downtown LA.
@@Sargebri Plus in 1987 he took 10 million dollars from the city of Irwindale and took off without ever trying to get a stadium deal there
@@1999bill1999 thanks for that little reminder. Irwindale would have been interesting due to it being close to the 10, 210 and 605 freeways. Also, it was close to San Bernadino County and the Inland Empire where they have a huge fan base.
14:40 Had the Patriots moved to Hartford they would have lost most of the Boston and eastern Massachusetts fan base and the NFL and Bob Kraft knew it as well .Having lived 20 minutes from Foxborough I myself would never have rooted or supported The Harford Patriots. The whole city of Hartford is a ghetto and besides we consider it Giants and jets territory.
There were some stadiums that looked better than others, and I understand why the New York stadiums for the jets weren't built and didn't want to host the 2012 Olympics. Hosting the Olympics takes a lot to host it. Look at other places that hosted the Olympics. The buildings were left abandoned and were never used again. But imagine if some of these stadiums were built, they could have hosted Wrestlemania, and from what I heard, whatever city hosts the event , it benefits from it
The 49ers stadium got a mania a few years after it was built.. the first stadium design for San Francisco was similar to the one they actually built. It's sad so many of these stadiums get caught up in city politics
That’s why DC will never host it, even in conjunction with Baltimore. Too many Government agencies and traffic is bad as it is, even with the Metro there.
Those stadiums wouldn't be left abandoned, especially in NYC. Look at Atlanta. They hosted the Olympics & still used all of the venues after the Olympics were done.
The Buffalo Bills had a chance to build a domed stadium in Lancaster NY a suburb of Buffalo NY..B4 it built its current stadium in Orchrd Park NY..It had a vry cool design..It almost lookd like a landed UFO..It would been the 1st dome stadium for northern NFL teams..
MINN & DET hadn’t built theirs yet either..& couldve have the first northrn the city to host a Super Bowl..ahead of MINN & DET (& thats the only reason theyve ever hostd a Super Bowl..Dome stadiums)..But local politics got in the way once again..They saw the pricetag for the project..& opted out of it..for the cheaper outdoor stadium in Orchrd Park..They couldve “righted that wrong”..by puttng the team back in downtown BFLO..doming it..& also using it in part, as a convention center..
Which the city & country had planned on doing anywy..& the better economic spin off it wouldve developd for the entire region..The short-sightd state & local govt politicians opted once again for the cheaper, easier to move across the street & stay in Orchrd Park NY out
-door stadium..Funny thing is they a Canadian contractor who wouldve done the downtown domed stadium project..wth no public/taxpayer money..
They still said no to that proposal..
I wouldn't be crazy about a football stadium in downtown Buffalo, but the open-air stadium they're building in Orchard Park is a boondoggle at best. The awning isn't going to protect fans from rain, snow, or cold. The heated seats will be out of order before you know it. They've already changed the number of heated seats to just a fraction of what was originally promised. And best of all, they've barely broken ground and it's already more than $300 million over budget. Should have just build a domed stadium.
As someone who lived in Connecticut during that time, be assured the Patriots were never coming to Hartford. Kraft used the state the same way Peter Karmanos did before the Whalers moved.
It's pronounced "SAINT LEWIS", not "SAINT LOUIE".
Austin will now be the boogeyman the NFL will use to push cities into building new stadiums
Not necessarily. Jerry would probably block any move there so that he can make sure they’re rooting for his losing team.
True.
There is a very strong argument to be made for a second team in Dallas, vs a team in Austin.
@@robertwiles8106 no thats terrible idea Dallas like it or not is Cowboy Country hell Texas itself is Cowboy County
Texans are Dookie when it compares to love in Texas bro Cowboys are the team for Texas yea the Texans have some fans but I'm willing to bet more people in Houston love the Dallas Cowboys remember the Texans are not even 25 years old the Cowboys are alot older and established
5x Superbowl Champions
vrs not even an AFC Championship game Appearance
@randomnflravensfan1994
The jets stadium would've been awesome and how much money the Superbowl would bring to the area they dropped the ball on that.
Would have been a nice new beautiful stadium but hosting a Super Bowl the second week of February in New York City the weather conditions would have been a factor. The league likes to have perfect weather conditions when it comes down to hosting the big game.
@@anthonys3631 it had a roof and they had it in Minnesota a few years back. I mean New York city is a tourist destination as is but imagine a Superbowl in downtown New York. I remember they had one at giants stadium but that is technically new Jersey.
@@warrenkemmer1307 Yes because Minnesota's stadium was brand new and indoors plus the league was trying to give them an economic benefit for having constructed their new stadium.
@@anthonys3631 holy f**k there is no consistency in anything you've said in your 2 replies. The proposed NY stadium would also be INDOORS like Minnesota. You managed to somehow miss that in the video and the dude's comment who you replied to.
And just so you know, cities have to bid to host the superbowl, they didn't just gift Minnesota the superbowl out of good will.
@@anthonys3631 the jets stadium would've been indoors too
I hate AI generated voices
Patriots also considered Providence Rhode Island and obviously Boston (South End)
Oakland need the Raiders back all i know
I like the way you say St. Louie 😂
21:33
I do. And the answer is very simple Politics. It's known as the windy city for a reason .
I never heard of “Saint Louie”
This Staduim never Existed
Stadium*, existed*
@@einundsiebenziger5488 internet dwelling linguist right here. Thank goodness.
Gotta say, Robert Kraft made a VERY smart move to hold out cos his new Foxborough complex is worth a f*ck-ton nowadays.
Hartford & Connecticut missed out big time on value
Thank Anthony Weiner for denying the West Side Stadium
LMAO, the guy who made this thinks the Washington Football team plays in Washington state
Good job in your Patriots reporting. As a side note, Trump wanted to build a similar stadium in NYC for the USFL Generals
The Trumpdome would have had “condominium seating” which is a fancy way of saying “PSL’s”
I took a helicopter ride around the city and that rail yard is STILL there. As a Jets fan I was SO excited to get our own stadium that looked cool and not the HVAC that's MetLife. Imagine during nice weather taking ferries to the stadium from Jersey and and having a ball.
its interesting seeing how similar carson stadium looks to allegiant stadium and sofi stadium
St. Louis. The Louis is pronounce like the name “Lewis”
Yes but this guy is British and that's how they pronounce it.
@@CONSOLETRUTH2 still not how people in St. Louis pronounce it.
@@CONSOLETRUTH2 Fine. I'll start saying "Edin-berg" then.
@@dromulio I could be wrong but didn't St Louis get its name from the French King Louis I can't remember the number ? If yes then the way the narrator was pronouncing it is correct
is over is time.
The Carson, CA stadium looks pretty much like the Raiders new Allogent Stadium in Vegas. Of course there were some tweaks (LIKE alligent is a domed stadium because games in Vegas could easily be played in Temps near or over 100°F well into October) but o erall the designs are pretty similar, almost like the Carson stadium was a rough draft for the final design in Vegas for Alligent Stadium.
*Allegiant
Yeah, I don’t think the state of Washington is going to help the Commanders much either, especially considering they have the Seahawks in Seattle. 🤦♂️
The Commanders don't play in Washington State, you must mean the District of Columbia who when Sharon Pratt Kelly was Mayor, called then Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke a “Billioniare Bully” and talks for a new stadium broke off and he got one in the the Maryland suburbs of Landover.
@@rockvilleraven Wait a minute. You mean I’ve been living in DC my whole life and have been thinking the Redskins were from Washington state? NO WAY!!!
I also liked the new York jets stadium. Build that too.
Add Buffalo to the list
Madison square Garden and the site of what could have been The West Side stadium are not next to each other. There are about eight blocks separating them.
The city in Missouri can still built it but they gotta come up with another team!
Wish the Chargers had their own venue to play in, rather than sharing a stadium with the landlords (the Rams) who own it. Ed Roski could have purchased a minority steak of the Bolts and have them play at the then-City of Industry stadium and represent the I.E. and the O.C., nearby.
NFL was never gonna allow it. NFL wanted both LA teams to share a stadium
@1999bill1999 it's extremely rare for the NFL to allow 2 stadiums to be built within the same county or counties, while representing the same city they're based in. Though in the alternative world, I wish the Chargers (aka Chokers) would've been calling the City of Industry/Grand Crossing Stadium home and being named the "Anaheim Chargers," despite playing in L.A. County, but not only that, the Clippers could've been playing their home games at the Honda Center, while sharing the arena with the Ducks. Heck, Anaheim getting an MLS expansion team, instead of L.A. getting another one.
This is how it would've been in a alternative universe:
Anaheim Chargers
Anaheim Angels (no name change)
Anaheim Clippers
Anaheim Ducks
Anaheim FC (imaginary name)
All these O.C. teams would've represented the O.C. and the I.E. while competing with the L.A. teams that have more success than their counterparts.
I know this my long writing and wishing this existed today.
Minority stake* (has nothing to do with meat)
@@einundsiebenziger5488 where would we be without you. Anyways @DieYuppiieSkum Spanos simply didnt have the capital. In fact he was willing to defer 500 mill, then put anything more than 350 million into downtown San Diego, even with the NFL throwing hundreds of millions into the pit so the team stayed. You reap what you sow, the Chargers didnt sell out ONE game this season at "home". Dead last in local TV ratings too.
the place where west side stadium was supposed to be is now hudson yards
play @ 1.25x speed, thank me later
How about a commentator that knows how to pronounce St. Louis would work better.
He totally forgot about the Baltodome in Baltimore, MD.
So many mispronunciations. The Jets/Giants stadium is located in East* Rutherford, not "Easter" Rutherford. The town is named after the fact that it's located in east New Jersey, not because it was founded by the Easter Bunny! And last time I checked the "S" in St. Louis is not silent.
It’s pronounced St Lewis not Louie lmao.
LOL did you say President Anheuser Busch? That is the name of a Beer Company.
Also known by his name August or Auggie Busch.
Also heard that. The use of the simple word "of" would have fixed it. The way he said it sounds like the guy was a politician from the movie Idiocracy.
The first stadium of the San Diego Chargers with a retractable ruff, bring back the San Diego Chargers
Add the Soldier Field dome in Chicago.
The Carson Stadium should be a stadium in Guatemala.
Wonder if the Jets could ever have a stadium of their own in NYC in the future
"In the future" being 30 years down the road. They have only been in MetLife Stadium for 13 years. They do have an "opt-out" in 2 years and then every 5 years after that. The caveat is that they have to give 12 months' notice. So, if they wanted to leave in 2 years then they would have to announce that in 12 months. THAT isn't going to happen. They couldn't find a suitable alternative that quickly. So, the first legitimate opportunity to move would be at the 20-year mark in 7 years. 7 years is about the minimum amount of time it would take, especially given all of the red tape that New York is notorious for. Then the question becomes, "Where?" It would likely be a $2B+ project to build an NFL football stadium somewhere in New York City. For reference, NYCFC is spending over $700M to build a 25,000 seat soccer stadium next to Citi Field. That's about 1/3 the size of what an NFL stadium would need to be and the land they're building on is already cleared and part of the Citi Field property.
If they ever do I can see it being built next to Citi Field (where Shea used to stand), or possibly near Belmont Park but likely not in the heart of Manhattan like Westside would have been.
@@joecostantino3684 the new NYCFC soccer stadium is going next to Citi Field. I doubt there's room for a third stadium on that site and still have enough parking for football or a sellout baseball game.
@James Cartwright yes they did.
@James Cartwright Metlife is 50% 50% :P
easter rutherford?? lol
... founded on Easter by the Easter Bunny😉.
Can you please say St. Louis again?? Please?🤭
😂😂😂😂😂
Taxpayers should never pay for a stadium or arena let the grifter owners move
The Maryland Stadium Authority used to brag that lottery money financed both stadiums, lottery money is a tax on the poor.
I think every stadium needs a dome. Funny is people complain about the sun in Miami Dolphins stadium than the cold at Lambeau Field lol
The new falcons stadium is worse than the renovated soldier field my opinion.
I think they should build one in Louisville ky.
Jets could potentially get their own stadium soon in queen’s.
... Queens*
I can't deal w the voice of commentary
Great detailed video, just mispronounced a lot of names
Well it's good rams and chargers didn't get new stadiums
nice
It's a shame the fans and team where cheated out of a much needed dome stadium!!!!
One great thing about Allegiant Stadium here in Vegas is that, even though $750 million of public funds were used to help fund the stadium, in order to basically pay that back, it was decided to raise the room tax that visitors have to pay when renting rooms at the various hotels here in Vegas and because of that, the $750 mil was basically payed almost 100% back in the 3 years it took to build the stadium.
So, for all of us Vegas NFL fans that have wanted an NFL team here for as long as we can remember (though I am not a Raiders fan, I am still happy to finally have an NFL team to go with our NEW and not relocated NHL team) I just want to say THANK YOU to all of the tourists who basically foot the bill for the amount that the state of Nevada decided to put up to help have the stadium built.
It's a shame the Carson project didn't get approved and the stadium never got built, because L.A fans wanted the Raiders back more than the Rams. Raider Nation is much stronger in SoCal and most of the fanbase is located in Los Angeles than in both Oakland and Las Vegas. It was very evident when the Raiders were at SoFi Stadium to play both the Chargers and Rams and there was nothing but fans clad in Silver and Black. Raiders in Las Vegas just feels wrong..they're a California team.
I'm glad you got your own NHL team instead of taking someone else's, but Quebec City was more deserving than Vegas or Seattle because it made more sense to bring back the Nordiques before putting another team in the desert or one in the Pacific Northwest.
You’re saying St. Louis wrong
he's not american, and considering the person st. louis is named after is pronounced that way, maybe he just doesn't know
It's an artificial intelligence bot
the Chicago “Doomed” Stadium
The jets westside stadium.
is alleghiant stadium carson stadium design
Yup with a few changes
Yes, after the fail bid, Mark Davis apparently loved the designed of the stadium, he took them for his proposed stadium in Vegas. The difference in the Vegas stadium vs Carson, the roof on the top, with the retractable door by the cauldron and the black exterior. Carson Stadium was exactly the same minus those item’s mentioned before
Allegiant* stadium
St. Louis and other COLD CLIMATE cities should be banned from building open air stadiums.
The Jets deserve some like West side stadium...Get it done.
24:41 Summerfield? ... You mean Landover, Maryland
Or Raljon as the late Squire Jack Kent Cooke wanted it called.
Did the Rams/Chargers not get the stadium or am I missing something…?
Yes, the Rams got the stadium that the Chargers are tenants to. However, both teams were on opposite sides to return to LA in the mid 2010’s.
Stan Kronke purchased the land that was formerly the Hollywood Park Racetrack in Inglewood. The Chargers, with the Raiders proposed a stadium in Carson. The Raiders/Chargers got the initial approval from the stadium committee but Jerry Jones met with all the other owners and suggested that they get behind Kronke’a stadium cause Stan had the big pockets to ensure the Rams didn’t fail in LA.
When the Rams won the vote to relocate, the NFL gave the Chargers the first shot at relocating to LA if their city, San Diego, didn’t support their proposal on a new stadium.
In the 2016 election, the City of Sam Diego voted on the stadium and rejected the ideal. On the one year anniversary of the Rams winning the relocation vote, the Chargers informed the NFL their intention to relocate to LA into SoFi Stadium.
24:26 get us out of that FedEx dump. Yes. Anywhere far from Landover. And fuck dan Snyder, I glad Josh harris owns the team now.
Bob "Eager"
We want iraq stadiums !!
“Roger Gudol”
Yeah, I suppose the Chicago Southside stadium was in fact "doomed." You need to get your AI pronunciation under control.
Why would james dolan have a vote? He owns the knicks and a cable company!
he didn't have a vote, watch the segment again
NOW IT MAKE SENSE!!!!!! GOODELL HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STOOGE FOR THE PATRIOTS
The Falcons proposal would have been the best and would have looked far better than the abortion they have now.
Yeah, the Falcons new stadium (Mercedes-Benz Stadium?) looks....well....when closed not that bad but when you watch the roof open the way it does it looks like Megatron's anus dilating and getting ready to take a shite!!
... the abberation* they have now.
St. Louis is pronounced "Saint Lewis" depsite the spelling.
Lol at America where the public funds stadiums for billionaires who threaten to tank the local economy and pride if they don't.
Spending Taxpayers money on BS 😒
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