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About the Sigfrid thing: Fafnir wasn't always a dragon but was turned into one - for kinslaying (he murdered his father, Hreidmar, a king of the dwarves due to jealousy). He therafter feuded with his brother, Reginn, over the treasure of their father (a bit like how Harlan Hunter killed his father and will likely kill his brother in the books). Treasure as in gold in norse mythology was first introduced by Gullveig, the "fairy of Gold" (she caused the first battle due to everyone wanting her gifts). So, in a sense, the brothers Fafnir and Reginn also feuded over Gullveig - a woman. Gullveig specifically was thrice stabbed through with spears, being resurrected every time
It must be the 4th time I watch this video and only now it dawned on me that a motley pattern kinda looks like scales. You know, when the squares are arranged with the corners up, like diamonds, as in the picture you used around 11:11. Now that line about the "resemblance" between Shireen and Patchface makes much more sense, l always thought that was reaching too far and intended only to be mean hahahahha. Amanda, your channel is precious, I love it so much!
I love the idea of greyscale being some sort of protection. We have characters In white scale, bronze scale , copper scale etc. When you think of it like that, Greyscale does sound like armor. Really enjoying your videos.
Thanks so much Scottie! There was even a shirt of scales given to the Night's Watch by the wildlings as they were passing through the wall...and the next item given was a broken sword!
Hey thanks Bill! Im truly super grateful for how well my channel is doing. My sub count may not seem like much to some people but I having lots of fun with the channel and don't feel underrated whatsoever.
@@TheDisputedLands The passion for the text comes through unabated. The time you spend to give an interesting and insightful take is also obvious. That's big in my book. You also dont scrape for content. No 5 minute breakdowns of teasers or theories that contradict something you posited a month before. I love that. Plus youre not doing the same stuff everyone else is. Great work. Keep it up, and I'll keep watching👍
I am not working in medicine anymore (not important to this comment), but I graduated medical school 10 years ago, and did my residency in anesthesiology. Since an anesthesiologist has to be your "internal medicine specialist, ER doctor, intensive care doctor, pain doctor, and hematology specialist" in the OR since the surgeon is just their to repair a pathology by cutting, debriding, dissecting, and suturing, we have to do our internship year in various areas of internal medicine, ER medicine, pediatrics, etc...I did my internship and residency at a major children's hospital in the southern U.S. and even though it was ten years ago, I still remember being on duty in the Pediatric ICU and NICU there. Harlequin's Ichthyosis will break your heart. The dry flaky parts of the epidermis allow fissures in the skin to allow pathogens to infiltrate the lower layers of the skin. It requires debridement and heavy moisturizing of the skin, the keratosis "flakes" will just fall off from the dehydration they have. Additionally, since it's genetic it often presents with polydactyly (webbed fingers and/or toes) and/or oligodactyly (It's the condition that the "human crabs/human lobsters" that used to be in the late 19th Century/early to mid 20th Century old "freak shows". I thought about Harlequin's Ichthyosis and severe cases of Keratosis disorders when I first read about and saw Grayscale. However, I just thought to myself, "Hmm, I guess GRRM picked up a volume of Harrison's, a Pediatric text, Genetics text, Dermatology text, or knew someone with this condition. However, I didn't "drill down" like you did. I love your research and theories. I think you're onto something here. Anything is possible in fantasy novels, but so much does actually happen in real life.
Such a great video, thank you! On Hukko..I always think of "Ukko" (meaning old man in Finnish) in the Finnish Kaleva saga when I hear the name Hukko ..He has many similarities to "Tor" in Norse mythology as to "Zeus " in the Greek. Fun fact, in Finland on midsummer's eve, they light a big bonefire, usually on a raft on a lake. And in that way welcoming the good spirits of summer, new life, good growing conditions and at the same time, frighten away all evel spirits and enerys that might still be around after the long, cold, dead season we call the winter. This bonefire celebration is called "Ukon juhla meaning Ukon's fest" Maybe GRRM as Tolkien got some influences from this epic Finnish saga.. 😉 Wishing you all the best. Hugs & sunshine☀️ N
@@TheDisputedLands If you what a short cut and someone to collaborate with.. you can always try to contact the guys at "Northern myths podcast.. Dan & Luka.." they both have great knowledge about both the "Kalevala" and the Norse mythology, similarities and differences between them.. just a thought.. I can highly recommend there podcast, they have read a longs and good discussion about these two topics.
With the Flint sigil representing fire, the "gray" north, the probable Stark/Flint lineage, etc this seems to align with other symbolism in the books. Great work.
All this is in front of our eyes yet somehow you pull out the arcane and esoteric making it sound so obvious. This is was masters do. Forgive me for I am just a fledgling new to flight. This is some awesome shite, you are killing it girl!! Your little helper at the end is such a show stealer!!!:)
This video made me catch another connection between Jon and Sam. From the mythos Harlon the Hunter and Herndon of the Horn become the beginning of House Tarly, which is just a letter away from being Harly. Harlon, Herndon and Brandon the Builder were brothers from Garth the Greenhand while Sam and Jon are technically brothers by being a part of the Watch. Even though Sam had nothing to with the coup Jon is still stabbed to death by his brother(s). It’s not a direct parallel but there is a minor connection between the two.
The recurring hammer imagery makes me think Gendry will play a larger role in the books beyond (re)forging valyrian steel weapons. George likes to draw parallels between historical family relationships and present-day family relationships.For example, the present-day Westerlands-Reach relationship links back to Aegon's conquest, and the North-Stormlands relationship dates back to the age of heroes. The World of Ice and Fire & Fire and Blood have bastard characters named Ulf (like "Wolf") the White and Hugh the Hammer oppose the Targaryens. I can't help thinking that if Jon is the White (W)Ulf, Gendry must be an analogue to Hugh the Hammer. If that's true, maybe he'll try to make himself king...
I like this but our book gendry just doesn’t seem to be all that intelligent, I could believe all of this right up into him considering kingship for himself. That part…seems highly unlikely to me
Always a big fan, Amanda. you'd not mentioned that Tyrion was wearing motley when he took his Grayscale defying plunge into the Rhoyne. At this point, my mind also resembles a motley collection woven from various content creators, but something tells me that I had that information pointed out to me from you previously. Anyway, the artist at the 25 minute mark of your video was clued in on that.
Hi JJ Volty! Yes! It the mermaid wife video I had done where I connected a theme of fools and drowning within the series and pointed out Tyrion being dressed in motley before going overboard :)
Always a good time for a new Disputed Lands video. Thanks for all the time you out into it. I know it's alot of work and we truly appreciate your efforts.
Great video as always and fascinating connections between the harlequin and the hunter and horn. Plenty to think about there. I suggest you reconsider the notion of stone-skin or grey-skin as a protection of sorts, or a protection against being risen as a wight, however. I went down that same rabbit hole while investigating possible forms of immunity in the story. Greyscale is not protective. The stone men are almost exact mirrors of wights brought to life by the white walkers. The author applies the same descriptive vocabulary to both: they shamble, are clumsy, cannot speak, their flesh is hard etc. Additionally, stone men appear to be vulnerable to fire. On the Shy Maid, the crew fight them with torches. This suggests we are meant to connect the cause of greyscale or the grey plague in particular, to the mechanism/magic used by the WW to quickly kill their victims prior to raising them. Indeed, it is believed greyscale is more likely to occur in cold, damp environments - one clue. Val says the disease “sleeps, only to awaken,” suggesting a raising, and she insists that poor Shireen is “dead.” On a logical note, persons afflicted by greyscale or the grey death cannot be regarded as useful in the cause of serving mankind. On the contrary, they are likely to infect others before they die, perhaps are even infectious after death, thus if they are immune to being raised, the afflicted would only be a liability to the living. Like the wights, dead stone men probably need to be burned. As you however noted with Victarion, people with burns might actually be immune to raising. Several important characters contract burns, including the Hound, Daenerys (burned by Drogon in the dragon-pit), Archibald Yronwood and of course Jon Snow. Jon’s constant flexing of his burned hand to strengthen it may be a hint in this direction. Those “kissed by fire” (the red-haired in general) may be lucky because their “fiery” attributes may prevent a “cold” raising. Mel also falls in this category. You’ll find the answer to the stone-skin / grey skin dilemma in Varamyr’s prologue chapter and that is indeed a protection against being raised. The patchwork motley on the other hand does appear to afford some kind of protection. There is Florian the Fool, as you mentioned and also the Tattered Prince whose colourful patchwork cloak inspires fear in his foes. The main difference between grey-mottled greyscale and patchwork motley is the colour, or rather, the play of color. Consider the description of the Other’s armour in the prologue chapter to aGoT: "its armour seemed to change colour as it moved" - it is white like snow, black like shadow, green like the trees. Camouflage. Staying hidden from or confusing the enemy with a play of colour. This effect might even intensify in a watery environment, with the colours of the patchwork shifting and rippling, intangible. So perhaps the Shrouded Lord’s boon is not so much a boon as the notion that he does not detect those drowning who wear motley and therefore cannot condemn them to death by greyscale. The passage about Hugor of the Hill coming right after Illyrio’s recollection of the grey plague is meant to give us a hint about how being raised from the dead can be avoided. After receiving the seven glowing stars, each representing a colour of the rainbow, Hugor was bathed in light - in shifting coloured lights. If he is another version of Azor Ahai, then this is how he managed to deal with the darkness, or with the Others for that matter. Coloured lights were a key defense in the battle against the Others. As with Lightbringer, the coloured light is meant to confuse, or rather, my guess is to interfere with the magic used by the White Walkers to raise their dead.
Robert Barathion is very much Garth the Green the summer king and Ned is embodying the King of Winter archetype. The Merling King vs Grey King seems to be the sea equivalent to this dichotomy.
You've got the right idea when it comes to ned and robert. Think of the winter vs. Summer as the storm god/fertility vs. Death/serpent/dragon and you will find even more! The grey king =merling king imo but youve got the basis of the idea and once you see it, its hard to unsee. Bronsterys has a great essay on a black vs white dichotomy that plays out in several fight scenes. His analysis is quite good and his essay imo could probably tell us more about this phenomena between these two men.
About Kane and Abel; Kane was a sheepherder. Being a sheepherder in the old middle east/Africa was perilous work. Lions, wild dogs and hyenas was just some of the carnivores you had to defend against. But if you could keep your sheep alive, they would grant you both wool and meat.. maybe even milk? Is sheep's milk a thing? Anyway Kane had chosen a profession and was good at it. Abel inherited their parents farm (I think) and farmed the land. This is a much less perilous job, and since Abel was a good farmer, it was a fruitful work. Much more fruitful than Kane's herd of sheep. So of course Kane got super jelly at Abel. And even started cursing God. So he snuck up on Abel and... Whacked him.. fed him to lions they snackin. After the deed was done he understood that he murdered his rolemodel. Or something like that. At least that's what I picked up from an analysis of that story. There was probably more but I forget.. Love your vids by the way 😇
Hi Crowfoods Daughter! I’m not sure if you’ll see this but I just wanted to say thankyou! Your channel and content are amazing and you inspired me to start my own TH-cam channel! Your ironborn series has uncovered some amazing symbolism and I wanted to let you know I gave your channel a shoutout in my latest video as my own theory touched on some of the symbolism you have uncovered! Thank you so much for the hours of content over the years and inspiring me to do the same! I’m approaching the series from a symbolism viewpoint as well and I would love to hear your thoughts on my videos and theory if your interested!
Amanda, I am just so impressed with what you have done. Thank you for sharing your creative and deep insights. You notice things no one else picks up on. I really appreciate your presentations.
Great video Amanda! Last night I was reading a random Arya chapter from ASOS and in there was The Mad Huntsman (wearing patched brown clothing), Greenbeard (who's dyed green beard is turning grey), and HARwin. They are escorting Arya to the cave, but they stole her. There wasn't any ironborn involvement but I think the Mad Huntsman and Greenbeard go on a mission later, so maybe they'll come across a scaled armor figure?? Anyways just another example. Made me think of you!
😉 I’m not done listening to this but I just wanted to let you know that I’m glad you made this video. You are probably my absolute favorite GOT youtuber. 😘❤️
I love all of connections you found to real life history. I’ve recently been going down the Melissandre (so?) rabbit hole. There is another Mel, Melony Piper of Pinkmaiden. awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Melony_Piper
The Disputed Lands - I sent this to bridge4 - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalerion check out the lifespan on this legendary creature. 3alerion looks like Balerion. But also click the name under the image: Lorraine. Too many coincidences means it’s not a coincidence. I can literally see where names and locations were adapted. Can you? Lothair I, the PIOUS. And so on and so forth. 😋😉
There's also the fact that Robert Baratheon slept with a woman in Stannis' own marriage bed while the wedding was happening, adding even more if somewhat tenuously to the instances of brothers fighting over women
These are SUCH well thought out and put together theory videos!!!! I wish more people realized this content is first class! Thank you so much CrowFood's Daughter.
This may be your best video yet, Amanda. I love the analysis. Grayscale as part of the AA myth and so many Harles and Herns associated with stone. I'm a fan if this idea.
Incredible videos, as they're so well-researched and innovative!!! You clearly have a vast, expansive knowledge of mythology, religion, and literature, and it sheds so much light on the books. Possibly my favorite ASOIAF theorist channel!
What a brillant episode! I love your theories and ideas, always being derivated from the books and combined with profound knowledge of other fields from science to ancient myths which could indeed have influenced well-read GRRM! This is such a soothing contrast to other channels, where the "analysis" mainly consists of "I like that character, I don't like that character..." - having the time to search through your older videos is one of the greatest benefits of my Covid-quarantine ;-)
Yup. Mind blown. The way you put it together is impressive. This is the second video I've watched of yours, and your format is enjoyable and easy to follow. I'll be watching many many many more to come. Martin's world building is just... Genius.
Excellent video essay! Your synthesis of book and real world sources are top notch as always. Im really wondering now what happens if the kiss of life is applied to one who dies of grey scale.
Im thinking the same concept thing and Im looking at how the worldbook describes dragon stone which may be hint at how fire magic might change the stone skin of greyscale. According to the Worldbook, dragonfire causes stone to become incredibly hard, "these seamless walls of fused black dragonstone, harder than steel or diamond, stand in mute testimony to Volantis’s origins as a military outpost." So if dragonflame can do that to stones, maybe fire magic does something similar in a sense.
Thanks for sharing this! You've connected so many of the symbolic ideas in the writing to a bunch of the legendary characters, which is something I've been fruitlessly trying to do for ages. Can't wait to start back and apply your ideas.
I totally agree with you on the greyscale wight broken sword castration themes and then rebuilding the sword like Jamie rebuilds himself after having his hand cut down. This will change a bit my rightful king but it's consistent with it as it's the broken things and bastards who can save the world The two brothers can be a two azor ahais or different heroes journeys one where you sacrifice others and you are a popular heroelike bloodstone, renly trying to usurp his brother, viserys and garth And the other where you sacrifice yourself use sickness to Better you like stannis huzor grey king and jon
I think different hero's jpurney would be a safe assumption. If you are interested in this line of inquiry, look at the Gates of Argonath and its relation to the Titan of Braavos. One of the brothers representing the gate was Isildur, another broken sword guy... check it out.
Thanks for something new on Super Bowl Sunday for someone not into football! As always, your research is fascinating for how in-depth you go. This video has lots of thought provoking ideas.
I know it's not universal across all examples but is alliteration something to consider when looking for Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa analogues? Also as an aside, the Knight of the Laughing Tree is another figure appearing in mismatched armour.
I think illiteration can be seen often... not just with AA and NN but also GG. Hugor of the hill is one, harlon the huntsmam and herndon of the horn is another. So there is a possibility there! Nice catch!
Holy shit, in the future please make some more videos, if not an ironborn video, at least something connected to this topic.. or wait oi won't tell you what to make, just make the kinda videos you want to. I'm only finished with "a game of thrones" so I got a lot to look forward to. But these videos really makes my day!
Hukko in Gurabti means hookah and there’s a dormant volcano in Gurabati province called Dhinodar that has a very interesting legend associated with it. One part of the legend is this: Travelling to the north he began to climb the highest hill he could see, but it became Nanao, "weighed down", by his sin. He chose another hill, but for it too the burden of guilt was too great and it became Jhurio, "broken down". He chose a third hill, and climbing it backwards it bore him, and he called it Dhinodhar, "the patience bearer". Seem familiar?
Love your videos. Here is some food for thought: Azor Ahai. Huzhor Amai, the Amazing. Amazing, Great. Huzhor the Great. The Great Huzhor. The Great Uthor (of the High Tower?) The Great Other. In the show's storyboards, the creation of the Night's King refers to him as "the Andal". Also note that the sigil of of House Hightower is a "white tower crowned with flames", which evokes a weirwood tree, and the current tower is a replacement for one that was supposedly made of timber... Could the original tower have actually been a great weirwood tree? The tree known as Ygg? The Grey King is said to have taunted of the Storm God into setting a tree on fire with a thunderbolt, which has Prometheus myth vibes. The Grey King's Hall is said to have had a table shaped like a large starfish, which reminds us of Andal symbolism. Maybe the timber tower was made from Ygg after it was cut down when the Andals came. The Maid bore Hugor four and forty sons. Forty-four stone ribs are located on the top of Nagga's hill. The Seven promised Hugor and his descendants great kingdoms in a foreign land. This reinforces again the Andal connection. The Grey King would have departed from Oldtown to what we now know as the Iron Islands by making a ship out of the great hall's wood, and now its remains are found there. Nagga's living fire could be a Nissa Nissa/Lightbringer analogy, or a stand in for magical knowledge. Over time this knowledge was lost, "snuffed out by the Storm God", which is probably about how those north, likely the Children of the Forest, stopped the conquest of the Andals. I think the Faith of the Seven emerged later, born out of the dominion of the Andals in Westeros, since we find little of this faith nor knights in the east, it was likely not brought from Essos.
Regarding the bit about the Old Man of the River as messianic figure, his secret song and bringing everyone together sounds a lot like Jon Snow and the Song of Ice and Fire.
Hey Scott! Thanks for watching! I was actually thinking about that when I was writing this, he might have leaned toward using Harlequin knowing his love for comics for sure!!
One thing that's persistently missed about iron vs. bronze is that bronze is a better metal for armor and weapons. Iron however, is much cheaper and you can outfit several times more men at the same cost.
Have you seen any of Eldric Stoneskins videos here on YT? If not, you definitely should. His main theory is that the crypts of Winterfell is a magical base that preserves the dead Starks of old as stone greyscale giants waiting to be brought back to life. Goes hand in hand with what you present here.
The Wood's Witch is connected to the Moon, to full moon, like Shiera Seastar, who were persuaded by her brothers, Aegor Bittersteel and Brynden Bloodraven. Didn't know about Harle brothers from Free Folk, but yes Harlan of House Hunter hired a Faceless Men to kill his brother.
Good stuff and great narration. This might be the one were I don't agree with the conclusions. Greyscale seems to me a lot more like a curse instead of a blessing. If the Grey King slew his brother and lost his fertility because of this evil act doesn't that say enough? The kinslayer became grey and deathlike.
About the 8.30 mark when you mentioned Hukko, I couldn't help but think of Victarion, when he sacrificed the seven prettiest girls he caught while taking, I think it was a slavers ship. I can't remember exactly but they may have also been maids, as in virgins, also. He sacrificed them to the drowned god AND R'hllor. HIS, god's, so to say. The same as Hukko, sacrificing seven maidens to HIS gods. Some interesting parralels there. Maybe there is something there that you can tie into your theory crafting?
Watching your video made me think about the importance of brother vs brother, and I can't help but think of Bran and Jon. If Jon is AA reborn, and LML thinks AA is a villian/anti hero. I can't help but wonder if Bran and Jon are the protagonist and antagonist.
Or maybe a connection with Aegon and Jon? Aegon took Storm's End and was blessed by Old Man of the River, he also passed by Bridge of Dreams and was attacked by Stonemen.
Tyrion wears motley armor at the end of A Game of Thrones when the Stark host, led by Roose Bolten clashes with the Lannister host led by Tywin. Hugor also parallels the Night's King.
This is kind of an odd thought, couldn't some of this mean "Argoth Stone-skin" (maybe even the grey king for that matter) was a giant turtle like the Old man of the river? "He spent the rest of his life roaring for Maris outside the walls of Oldtown". Oldtown is a harbor town with a giant lighthouse as it's center and gets attaked by sea creatures in its legends
The Disputed Lands Well Argoth is a giant with protective stone skin and you mention the motley pattern, couldn't that all describe a giant turtle like the one Tyrion see's being worshipped as a god in the Rhoyne river? The big melee he won could be like when they put animals/dragons in the fighting pits etc. If he was just some big giant guy roaring for his love outside the walls of the city walls, how did anyone else even get in and out?
Oh yeah the grey king part was more of a possible side avenue if the idea of Argoth made sense, like we could be picturing all these hero/giants&gods as humans when maybe the characters the stories are about are ...weirder than we're realizing. Another awesome video though either way
I know I'm late to the game here, but I feel the need caution people who are curious about icthyosis IRL. There are some disturbing (heartbreaking) photos of infants born with condition out there. I believe incest is believed to be suspected in a lot of cases.
I just thought of something else, since ichthyotic disorders are because of a problem in the DNA that causes severe dehydration in the skin to where it turns into scaly, hard patches of skin, it requires debridement and MOISTURIZING. All of these characters are around water. just a random thought while kind of working a DDx on these characters.
Yes. There is an essay on r/asoiaf by tootles that i will someday discuss. Iys about mark train and the number 44. It a literary nod to the concept of the doppleganger. As ive said previously we have a story about two brothers that look alike. So with there being 44 sons and 44 islands i wouldnt say they are directly related like the iron islands being just and interpretation of hugors sons or vice versa. Its more of a literary nod that can help to explain several things that i hope to discuss when we talk about the titan's two roars. Hope this helps! Just type go to r/asoiaf and search "44 twain" if you are interested in reading tootles essay... its good.
There was a Saera Targarian, one of the Old Kings kids ages ago who ran off to a pillow house in Lys. Think he named Ilyrios wife the same name to hint at something?
Yes. Saera did had a son in Lys and a daughter too. Her daughter Mysaria was paramour of Daemon Targaryen and was an albino. Saera's sister died of Greyscale btw which is another nod to Serra of Lys. Saera Targaryen could be tied to Serenei of Lys as well, and an ancestor of Shiera Waters.
Interesting! So you think the religion of the Drown God is a distant memory of past events, such as the white walkers, or do you think this god truly exists? I'm asking because I know some fans think Patchface is his avatar. What's your opinion?
Great as always Hey quick question what's your take on the master of the citadal do you think they have been trying to kill magic and targs? Also which of the free citites do you think helped cause the doom besides bravvos
Hey Wolfsbane, Im not doing much citadel analysis... but the theories I have read regarding the citadel canbe quite compelling. I would be more interested in understanding the Hightowers and their influence on the Citadel. Ive read something on Westeros.org called the God's eye conspiracy. Interesting stuff going on with that theory which does deal with engineering the Dance and the crippling of the Targaryen dynasy.
@@TheDisputedLands thanks for replying to my comment . Also I agree I think the Hightowers are a key player in all this but what I don't get why all the lords of westeros allow mastaers in theri keeps when it was founded by a fellow house a rival in all but name
@@TheDisputedLands No worries, it can also be pronounced Har-le-kin. It's a lesser known, older pronunciation derived from its French and Italian forms but still used! www.dictionary.com/browse/harlequin
@@TheDisputedLands Not at all. There's a theatre company in my hometown called "Harlequin Productions" and I had heard it pronounced both ways--the artists wavering between the -kwin and -kin in typical motley fashion :)
Is it possible Saera and Shireen caught the sickness at the same time? Btw Saera's hands couldn't be kept as Greyscale affects hands and feet first. Tysha also had blue eyes like pools and was willowy like the Maiden.
Merovingians. Descendents of a Sea Monster called a Quinotar. Mero-vingians. Maris the Maid. Maris. Of the sea. Stella Maris. Star of the Sea. Avatar of both The Virgin Mary and Babylon the Great who are juxtaposed in the Book of Revelation as "a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet wearing a crown of twelve stars" and "sitting on many waters". This seemingly different pair is in fact one and the same, a symbol of the conjunctio oppositorum or "conjunction of opposites" familiar to Alchemists, Kabbalists, and Tantrists. This relationship is further illustrated by the revelations of Madimi to John Dee and Edward Kelley and by the Gnostic text 'Thunder the Perfect Mind'. Obviously much has been made of alleged connections between the Merovingians and a supposed Magdelane (Mary Magdelane, a cognate of the Virgin and Whore...who, interestingly enough may have been involved in the resurrection of Lazarus) bloodline. Additionally this lineage connects to various Middle Eastern goddess figures such as Tiamat, Inana/Ishtar, Lilith, Cybelle, Atargatis (a Syrian "mermaid goddess) and others. The word Babylon itself means "Gateway of the gods" and further ties this current to the Lovecraftian entity Yog-Sothoth (who, as the "all-in-one", is quite the cunjinctio oppositorum himself) of whom it is said "Yog-Sothoth is the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate. Past, present, future, all are one in Yog-Sothoth. He knows where the Old Ones broke through of old, and where They shall break through again." Lovecraftian entities often have connections to the sea and Cthulhu (what is dead may never die...) is said to re-emerge "when the stars are right." The worshippers of the old ones are known as The Church of Starry Wisdom in Lovecraft's mythos. Wisdom (Sophia) is synonymous with the feminine across several occult traditions. So we arrive again at The Star of the Sea. The Starry Wisdom cult probably knows some shit about this. Incidentally, Maris the Maid marries Uthar of the Hightower causing Argoth to be big mad. Uthar is an obvious allusion to Uthrr Pendragon, father of King Arthur. This steife between Argorh and Uthar ccould link the story to that of the Grey King killing the sea dragon Naga. It's also worth noting that Uthar and Maris' child Peremore is more or less responsible for the establishment of the Citadel and the order of Maesters. The Maesters who, according to Starry Wisdom affiliate Marwin, may be responsible for the end of Magic and the dragons.
Bless him with salt huh? Val was said to made of salt once, and salt woman is directly tied to wife of Lot, and Sodom and Gomorrah, those cities were destroyed due to volcanic eruptions. And volcanoes = fire.
Is it possible Florian the Fool drowned in Maidenpool and Jonquil returned him back to life? Could Jonquil be a Swan Maiden, luring Florian and returning him back to life for some reason? Is it a clue that the Great Other is a woman after all?
The most likely place for the drowning would be the iron islands, although the place he first met this wayer womsn could have been maidenpool. The story was likely adapted to suit each region and locality so you will see variations so i myself prefer to pay attention to certain themes.
@@TheDisputedLands thank you for replying, there is a Ironborn house sigil with a drowning man, is he a Florian figure as well? There is also a branch of House Flint with blue eyes above the sea, is Danny Flint tied to this monomyth too?
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About the Sigfrid thing: Fafnir wasn't always a dragon but was turned into one - for kinslaying (he murdered his father, Hreidmar, a king of the dwarves due to jealousy). He therafter feuded with his brother, Reginn, over the treasure of their father (a bit like how Harlan Hunter killed his father and will likely kill his brother in the books). Treasure as in gold in norse mythology was first introduced by Gullveig, the "fairy of Gold" (she caused the first battle due to everyone wanting her gifts). So, in a sense, the brothers Fafnir and Reginn also feuded over Gullveig - a woman. Gullveig specifically was thrice stabbed through with spears, being resurrected every time
It must be the 4th time I watch this video and only now it dawned on me that a motley pattern kinda looks like scales. You know, when the squares are arranged with the corners up, like diamonds, as in the picture you used around 11:11. Now that line about the "resemblance" between Shireen and Patchface makes much more sense, l always thought that was reaching too far and intended only to be mean hahahahha.
Amanda, your channel is precious, I love it so much!
I love the idea of greyscale being some sort of protection. We have characters In white scale, bronze scale , copper scale etc. When you think of it like that, Greyscale does sound like armor.
Really enjoying your videos.
Thanks so much Scottie! There was even a shirt of scales given to the Night's Watch by the wildlings as they were passing through the wall...and the next item given was a broken sword!
grrm's turtle sigil is itself a foreshadow of how slowly he writes. jokes aside amazing video. i wish you'd post more
Well this just made my night. Very, very underrated channel.
Hey thanks Bill! Im truly super grateful for how well my channel is doing. My sub count may not seem like much to some people but I having lots of fun with the channel and don't feel underrated whatsoever.
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The passion for the text comes through unabated. The time you spend to give an interesting and insightful take is also obvious. That's big in my book. You also dont scrape for content. No 5 minute breakdowns of teasers or theories that contradict something you posited a month before. I love that. Plus youre not doing the same stuff everyone else is. Great work. Keep it up, and I'll keep watching👍
I am not working in medicine anymore (not important to this comment), but I graduated medical school 10 years ago, and did my residency in anesthesiology. Since an anesthesiologist has to be your "internal medicine specialist, ER doctor, intensive care doctor, pain doctor, and hematology specialist" in the OR since the surgeon is just their to repair a pathology by cutting, debriding, dissecting, and suturing, we have to do our internship year in various areas of internal medicine, ER medicine, pediatrics, etc...I did my internship and residency at a major children's hospital in the southern U.S. and even though it was ten years ago, I still remember being on duty in the Pediatric ICU and NICU there. Harlequin's Ichthyosis will break your heart. The dry flaky parts of the epidermis allow fissures in the skin to allow pathogens to infiltrate the lower layers of the skin. It requires debridement and heavy moisturizing of the skin, the keratosis "flakes" will just fall off from the dehydration they have. Additionally, since it's genetic it often presents with polydactyly (webbed fingers and/or toes) and/or oligodactyly (It's the condition that the "human crabs/human lobsters" that used to be in the late 19th Century/early to mid 20th Century old "freak shows".
I thought about Harlequin's Ichthyosis and severe cases of Keratosis disorders when I first read about and saw Grayscale. However, I just thought to myself, "Hmm, I guess GRRM picked up a volume of Harrison's, a Pediatric text, Genetics text, Dermatology text, or knew someone with this condition.
However, I didn't "drill down" like you did. I love your research and theories. I think you're onto something here. Anything is possible in fantasy novels, but so much does actually happen in real life.
Such a great video, thank you!
On Hukko..I always think of "Ukko" (meaning old man in Finnish) in the Finnish Kaleva saga when I hear the name Hukko ..He has many similarities to "Tor" in Norse mythology as to "Zeus " in the Greek. Fun fact, in Finland on midsummer's eve, they light a big bonefire, usually on a raft on a lake. And in that way welcoming the good spirits of summer, new life, good growing conditions and at the same time, frighten away all evel spirits and enerys that might still be around after the long, cold, dead season we call the winter. This bonefire celebration is called "Ukon juhla meaning Ukon's fest"
Maybe GRRM as Tolkien got some influences from this epic Finnish saga.. 😉
Wishing you all the best. Hugs & sunshine☀️ N
Looks like I'll be looking into that, the pronunciations are quite similar! Thanks so much for watching and commenting!!
@@TheDisputedLands If you what a short cut and someone to collaborate with.. you can always try to contact the guys at "Northern myths podcast.. Dan & Luka.." they both have great knowledge about both the "Kalevala" and the Norse mythology, similarities and differences between them.. just a thought..
I can highly recommend there podcast, they have read a longs and good discussion about these two topics.
@@sunshinesilverarrow5292 ill have to check them out!! Thanks!
With the Flint sigil representing fire, the "gray" north, the probable Stark/Flint lineage, etc this seems to align with other symbolism in the books. Great work.
All this is in front of our eyes yet somehow you pull out the arcane and esoteric making it sound so obvious. This is was masters do. Forgive me for I am just a fledgling new to flight. This is some awesome shite, you are killing it girl!! Your little helper at the end is such a show stealer!!!:)
tulkas 42o I agree! Love that kid!
Ill tell Paige you liked it!! Thanks so much!
This video made me catch another connection between Jon and Sam. From the mythos Harlon the Hunter and Herndon of the Horn become the beginning of House Tarly, which is just a letter away from being Harly. Harlon, Herndon and Brandon the Builder were brothers from Garth the Greenhand while Sam and Jon are technically brothers by being a part of the Watch. Even though Sam had nothing to with the coup Jon is still stabbed to death by his brother(s).
It’s not a direct parallel but there is a minor connection between the two.
Samwell is also cousin of Shireen Baratheon, as their mothers are sisters, I wonder what kind of relationship they would have?
The recurring hammer imagery makes me think Gendry will play a larger role in the books beyond (re)forging valyrian steel weapons. George likes to draw parallels between historical family relationships and present-day family relationships.For example, the present-day Westerlands-Reach relationship links back to Aegon's conquest, and the North-Stormlands relationship dates back to the age of heroes. The World of Ice and Fire & Fire and Blood have bastard characters named Ulf (like "Wolf") the White and Hugh the Hammer oppose the Targaryens. I can't help thinking that if Jon is the White (W)Ulf, Gendry must be an analogue to Hugh the Hammer. If that's true, maybe he'll try to make himself king...
I like this but our book gendry just doesn’t seem to be all that intelligent, I could believe all of this right up into him considering kingship for himself. That part…seems highly unlikely to me
Always a big fan, Amanda. you'd not mentioned that Tyrion was wearing motley when he took his Grayscale defying plunge into the Rhoyne. At this point, my mind also resembles a motley collection woven from various content creators, but something tells me that I had that information pointed out to me from you previously. Anyway, the artist at the 25 minute mark of your video was clued in on that.
Hi JJ Volty! Yes! It the mermaid wife video I had done where I connected a theme of fools and drowning within the series and pointed out Tyrion being dressed in motley before going overboard :)
You are onto something...Great research on this topic.
Thanks Laura!!
Always a good time for a new Disputed Lands video. Thanks for all the time you out into it. I know it's alot of work and we truly appreciate your efforts.
Thank you Rod! It's a lot of work, but it's fun to get that "ah ha!!" moment, and Im happy to share what I find :)
Great video as always and fascinating connections between the harlequin and the hunter and horn. Plenty to think about there. I suggest you reconsider the notion of stone-skin or grey-skin as a protection of sorts, or a protection against being risen as a wight, however. I went down that same rabbit hole while investigating possible forms of immunity in the story. Greyscale is not protective. The stone men are almost exact mirrors of wights brought to life by the white walkers. The author applies the same descriptive vocabulary to both: they shamble, are clumsy, cannot speak, their flesh is hard etc. Additionally, stone men appear to be vulnerable to fire. On the Shy Maid, the crew fight them with torches. This suggests we are meant to connect the cause of greyscale or the grey plague in particular, to the mechanism/magic used by the WW to quickly kill their victims prior to raising them. Indeed, it is believed greyscale is more likely to occur in cold, damp environments - one clue. Val says the disease “sleeps, only to awaken,” suggesting a raising, and she insists that poor Shireen is “dead.” On a logical note, persons afflicted by greyscale or the grey death cannot be regarded as useful in the cause of serving mankind. On the contrary, they are likely to infect others before they die, perhaps are even infectious after death, thus if they are immune to being raised, the afflicted would only be a liability to the living. Like the wights, dead stone men probably need to be burned.
As you however noted with Victarion, people with burns might actually be immune to raising. Several important characters contract burns, including the Hound, Daenerys (burned by Drogon in the dragon-pit), Archibald Yronwood and of course Jon Snow. Jon’s constant flexing of his burned hand to strengthen it may be a hint in this direction. Those “kissed by fire” (the red-haired in general) may be lucky because their “fiery” attributes may prevent a “cold” raising. Mel also falls in this category.
You’ll find the answer to the stone-skin / grey skin dilemma in Varamyr’s prologue chapter and that is indeed a protection against being raised.
The patchwork motley on the other hand does appear to afford some kind of protection. There is Florian the Fool, as you mentioned and also the Tattered Prince whose colourful patchwork cloak inspires fear in his foes. The main difference between grey-mottled greyscale and patchwork motley is the colour, or rather, the play of color. Consider the description of the Other’s armour in the prologue chapter to aGoT: "its armour seemed to change colour as it moved" - it is white like snow, black like shadow, green like the trees. Camouflage. Staying hidden from or confusing the enemy with a play of colour. This effect might even intensify in a watery environment, with the colours of the patchwork shifting and rippling, intangible. So perhaps the Shrouded Lord’s boon is not so much a boon as the notion that he does not detect those drowning who wear motley and therefore cannot condemn them to death by greyscale.
The passage about Hugor of the Hill coming right after Illyrio’s recollection of the grey plague is meant to give us a hint about how being raised from the dead can be avoided. After receiving the seven glowing stars, each representing a colour of the rainbow, Hugor was bathed in light - in shifting coloured lights. If he is another version of Azor Ahai, then this is how he managed to deal with the darkness, or with the Others for that matter. Coloured lights were a key defense in the battle against the Others. As with Lightbringer, the coloured light is meant to confuse, or rather, my guess is to interfere with the magic used by the White Walkers to raise their dead.
Hey, glad you enjoyed it. Lots to think about, thanks for watching!
Robert Barathion is very much Garth the Green the summer king and Ned is embodying the King of Winter archetype. The Merling King vs Grey King seems to be the sea equivalent to this dichotomy.
You've got the right idea when it comes to ned and robert. Think of the winter vs. Summer as the storm god/fertility vs. Death/serpent/dragon and you will find even more! The grey king =merling king imo but youve got the basis of the idea and once you see it, its hard to unsee. Bronsterys has a great essay on a black vs white dichotomy that plays out in several fight scenes. His analysis is quite good and his essay imo could probably tell us more about this phenomena between these two men.
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About Kane and Abel; Kane was a sheepherder. Being a sheepherder in the old middle east/Africa was perilous work. Lions, wild dogs and hyenas was just some of the carnivores you had to defend against. But if you could keep your sheep alive, they would grant you both wool and meat.. maybe even milk? Is sheep's milk a thing? Anyway Kane had chosen a profession and was good at it.
Abel inherited their parents farm (I think) and farmed the land. This is a much less perilous job, and since Abel was a good farmer, it was a fruitful work. Much more fruitful than Kane's herd of sheep.
So of course Kane got super jelly at Abel. And even started cursing God. So he snuck up on Abel and... Whacked him.. fed him to lions they snackin.
After the deed was done he understood that he murdered his rolemodel. Or something like that. At least that's what I picked up from an analysis of that story. There was probably more but I forget..
Love your vids by the way 😇
There was also a Harlon Stark, who was a king in the north, who would be now in the crypts where we find more statues foreshadowed to come to life
Hi Crowfoods Daughter! I’m not sure if you’ll see this but I just wanted to say thankyou! Your channel and content are amazing and you inspired me to start my own TH-cam channel! Your ironborn series has uncovered some amazing symbolism and I wanted to let you know I gave your channel a shoutout in my latest video as my own theory touched on some of the symbolism you have uncovered!
Thank you so much for the hours of content over the years and inspiring me to do the same! I’m approaching the series from a symbolism viewpoint as well and I would love to hear your thoughts on my videos and theory if your interested!
Moi? Thank you! I need to check more of your stuff out for sure, really loved the vid covering the horns you did!!
@@TheDisputedLands thanks Amanda! Glad you enjoyed it!
Amanda, I am just so impressed with what you have done. Thank you for sharing your creative and deep insights. You notice things no one else picks up on.
I really appreciate your presentations.
Thank you so much!
Great video Amanda!
Last night I was reading a random Arya chapter from ASOS and in there was The Mad Huntsman (wearing patched brown clothing), Greenbeard (who's dyed green beard is turning grey), and HARwin. They are escorting Arya to the cave, but they stole her. There wasn't any ironborn involvement but I think the Mad Huntsman and Greenbeard go on a mission later, so maybe they'll come across a scaled armor figure?? Anyways just another example. Made me think of you!
😉 I’m not done listening to this but I just wanted to let you know that I’m glad you made this video. You are probably my absolute favorite GOT youtuber. 😘❤️
Motley is a mixture of things? Like a sphinx?
Thank you so much!!
Yes, a Sphinx is definitely a mixture of things for sure... a creature with a motley of features.
I love all of connections you found to real life history. I’ve recently been going down the Melissandre (so?) rabbit hole. There is another Mel, Melony Piper of Pinkmaiden. awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Melony_Piper
The Disputed Lands - I sent this to bridge4 - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalerion check out the lifespan on this legendary creature. 3alerion looks like Balerion. But also click the name under the image: Lorraine. Too many coincidences means it’s not a coincidence. I can literally see where names and locations were adapted. Can you? Lothair I, the PIOUS. And so on and so forth. 😋😉
There's also the fact that Robert Baratheon slept with a woman in Stannis' own marriage bed while the wedding was happening, adding even more if somewhat tenuously to the instances of brothers fighting over women
These are SUCH well thought out and put together theory videos!!!! I wish more people realized this content is first class! Thank you so much CrowFood's Daughter.
This may be your best video yet, Amanda. I love the analysis. Grayscale as part of the AA myth and so many Harles and Herns associated with stone. I'm a fan if this idea.
You guys are awesome can't wait for this world to live again
Incredible videos, as they're so well-researched and innovative!!! You clearly have a vast, expansive knowledge of mythology, religion, and literature, and it sheds so much light on the books. Possibly my favorite ASOIAF theorist channel!
Hey thank you so much!
What a brillant episode! I love your theories and ideas, always being derivated from the books and combined with profound knowledge of other fields from science to ancient myths which could indeed have influenced well-read GRRM! This is such a soothing contrast to other channels, where the "analysis" mainly consists of "I like that character, I don't like that character..." - having the time to search through your older videos is one of the greatest benefits of my Covid-quarantine ;-)
Yup. Mind blown. The way you put it together is impressive. This is the second video I've watched of yours, and your format is enjoyable and easy to follow. I'll be watching many many many more to come. Martin's world building is just... Genius.
Amazing Amanda!!! Your vids are so enlightening!!! Thanks for your hard work! ❤️
Thank you for watching and commenting! Its great to see when someone is enjoying these videos :)
Love how in depth your analysis goes, keep up the good work
Much appreciated!
Excellent video essay! Your synthesis of book and real world sources are top notch as always. Im really wondering now what happens if the kiss of life is applied to one who dies of grey scale.
Im thinking the same concept thing and Im looking at how the worldbook describes dragon stone which may be hint at how fire magic might change the stone skin of greyscale. According to the Worldbook, dragonfire causes stone to become incredibly hard, "these seamless walls of fused black dragonstone, harder than steel or diamond, stand in mute testimony to Volantis’s origins as a military outpost." So if dragonflame can do that to stones, maybe fire magic does something similar in a sense.
Thanks for sharing this! You've connected so many of the symbolic ideas in the writing to a bunch of the legendary characters, which is something I've been fruitlessly trying to do for ages. Can't wait to start back and apply your ideas.
I totally agree with you on the greyscale wight broken sword castration themes and then rebuilding the sword like Jamie rebuilds himself after having his hand cut down.
This will change a bit my rightful king but it's consistent with it as it's the broken things and bastards who can save the world
The two brothers can be a two azor ahais or different heroes journeys one where you sacrifice others and you are a popular heroelike bloodstone, renly trying to usurp his brother, viserys and garth
And the other where you sacrifice yourself use sickness to Better you like stannis huzor grey king and jon
I think different hero's jpurney would be a safe assumption. If you are interested in this line of inquiry, look at the Gates of Argonath and its relation to the Titan of Braavos. One of the brothers representing the gate was Isildur, another broken sword guy... check it out.
Wow, incredible work! Thank you for the research and illuminating the harlequin/greyscale connections for us!
Hey thanks shakes!!
Thanks for something new on Super Bowl Sunday for someone not into football! As always, your research is fascinating for how in-depth you go. This video has lots of thought provoking ideas.
Hey thanks so much! Glad i could liven up your superbowl sunday!
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Congrats on another amazing video!!
Thanks Osar!!
Amazing video! An absolute must-watch. Soooooo good.
Hey thanks! Glad you got a chance to watch it!!
Another great vid Amanda!
Thank you kfa4303!!
sometimes I wish I could like a video more than once. You are brilliant, congratulations on the great job!
Your comments have made my day! Thank you so much for watching and im glad you like them!
@@TheDisputedLands You're welcome! And thank you!
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you.
Very interesting,as always!Thanks for sharing with us 😀
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for commenting!!
Another great video.
Thanks for watching Dustin!
You make great videos!!!!!
Thanks for watching! btw, love the name.
I know it's not universal across all examples but is alliteration something to consider when looking for Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa analogues?
Also as an aside, the Knight of the Laughing Tree is another figure appearing in mismatched armour.
I think illiteration can be seen often... not just with AA and NN but also GG. Hugor of the hill is one, harlon the huntsmam and herndon of the horn is another. So there is a possibility there! Nice catch!
Holy shit, in the future please make some more videos, if not an ironborn video, at least something connected to this topic.. or wait oi won't tell you what to make, just make the kinda videos you want to. I'm only finished with "a game of thrones" so I got a lot to look forward to. But these videos really makes my day!
Hukko in Gurabti means hookah and there’s a dormant volcano in Gurabati province called Dhinodar that has a very interesting legend associated with it. One part of the legend is this:
Travelling to the north he began to climb the highest hill he could see, but it became Nanao, "weighed down", by his sin. He chose another hill, but for it too the burden of guilt was too great and it became Jhurio, "broken down". He chose a third hill, and climbing it backwards it bore him, and he called it Dhinodhar, "the patience bearer".
Seem familiar?
I am two or so videos from finishing your catalogue.
Great video Amanda!!🤩🤩🤩
Hey thanks Kerri!
Love your videos. Here is some food for thought:
Azor Ahai.
Huzhor Amai, the Amazing.
Amazing, Great.
Huzhor the Great.
The Great Huzhor.
The Great Uthor (of the High Tower?)
The Great Other.
In the show's storyboards, the creation of the Night's King refers to him as "the Andal".
Also note that the sigil of of House Hightower is a "white tower crowned with flames", which evokes a weirwood tree, and the current tower is a replacement for one that was supposedly made of timber... Could the original tower have actually been a great weirwood tree? The tree known as Ygg? The Grey King is said to have taunted of the Storm God into setting a tree on fire with a thunderbolt, which has Prometheus myth vibes. The Grey King's Hall is said to have had a table shaped like a large starfish, which reminds us of Andal symbolism. Maybe the timber tower was made from Ygg after it was cut down when the Andals came.
The Maid bore Hugor four and forty sons. Forty-four stone ribs are located on the top of Nagga's hill. The Seven promised Hugor and his descendants great kingdoms in a foreign land. This reinforces again the Andal connection. The Grey King would have departed from Oldtown to what we now know as the Iron Islands by making a ship out of the great hall's wood, and now its remains are found there.
Nagga's living fire could be a Nissa Nissa/Lightbringer analogy, or a stand in for magical knowledge. Over time this knowledge was lost, "snuffed out by the Storm God", which is probably about how those north, likely the Children of the Forest, stopped the conquest of the Andals. I think the Faith of the Seven emerged later, born out of the dominion of the Andals in Westeros, since we find little of this faith nor knights in the east, it was likely not brought from Essos.
Shireen and Jon Conterton and Theon who doesn't have Greyscale what this do with them.
Regarding the bit about the Old Man of the River as messianic figure, his secret song and bringing everyone together sounds a lot like Jon Snow and the Song of Ice and Fire.
Great vid and of course a thumbs up!
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Harley Quinn is the Joker's gf too, and GRRM is a big comic book fan. Excellent work! I learn so much from your videos. Thanks.
Hey Scott! Thanks for watching! I was actually thinking about that when I was writing this, he might have leaned toward using Harlequin knowing his love for comics for sure!!
The Flint sigil is literally in greyscale. Clever little meta connection there.
One thing that's persistently missed about iron vs. bronze is that bronze is a better metal for armor and weapons. Iron however, is much cheaper and you can outfit several times more men at the same cost.
Yay! A new video!!!!
Thanks Clint! Hey, I pinned your comment. I see you comment on every video and I want you to know it is truly appreciated. -CFD
Have you seen any of Eldric Stoneskins videos here on YT? If not, you definitely should. His main theory is that the crypts of Winterfell is a magical base that preserves the dead Starks of old as stone greyscale giants waiting to be brought back to life. Goes hand in hand with what you present here.
The Wood's Witch is connected to the Moon, to full moon, like Shiera Seastar, who were persuaded by her brothers, Aegor Bittersteel and Brynden Bloodraven. Didn't know about Harle brothers from Free Folk, but yes Harlan of House Hunter hired a Faceless Men to kill his brother.
Good stuff and great narration. This might be the one were I don't agree with the conclusions. Greyscale seems to me a lot more like a curse instead of a blessing. If the Grey King slew his brother and lost his fertility because of this evil act doesn't that say enough? The kinslayer became grey and deathlike.
About the 8.30 mark when you mentioned Hukko, I couldn't help but think of Victarion, when he sacrificed the seven prettiest girls he caught while taking, I think it was a slavers ship. I can't remember exactly but they may have also been maids, as in virgins, also. He sacrificed them to the drowned god AND R'hllor. HIS, god's, so to say. The same as Hukko, sacrificing seven maidens to HIS gods. Some interesting parralels there. Maybe there is something there that you can tie into your theory crafting?
Yes, I have noticed this. It will be discussed if I ever get around to doing a video on The Last Hero getting help from the Children of the Forest.
Guys I'm pretty sure our author has been sending Amanda some ravens
Hey thank you so much!!!!!
Amanda you are so amazing the depth of your connective tissue is so completely satisfying and comprehensive . Just wonderful
What a wonderful compliment! Thanks so much Ruckus of Red Lake!
Watching your video made me think about the importance of brother vs brother, and I can't help but think of Bran and Jon. If Jon is AA reborn, and LML thinks AA is a villian/anti hero. I can't help but wonder if Bran and Jon are the protagonist and antagonist.
Or maybe a connection with Aegon and Jon? Aegon took Storm's End and was blessed by Old Man of the River, he also passed by Bridge of Dreams and was attacked by Stonemen.
Tyrion wears motley armor at the end of A Game of Thrones when the Stark host, led by Roose Bolten clashes with the Lannister host led by Tywin. Hugor also parallels the Night's King.
This is kind of an odd thought, couldn't some of this mean "Argoth Stone-skin" (maybe even the grey king for that matter) was a giant turtle like the Old man of the river? "He spent the rest of his life roaring for Maris outside the walls of Oldtown". Oldtown is a harbor town with a giant lighthouse as it's center and gets attaked by sea creatures in its legends
Hey thanks for watching!! Id love to comment intelligibly but Im having a hard time following, could you reword your thoughts?
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Well Argoth is a giant with protective stone skin and you mention the motley pattern, couldn't that all describe a giant turtle like the one Tyrion see's being worshipped as a god in the Rhoyne river? The big melee he won could be like when they put animals/dragons in the fighting pits etc. If he was just some big giant guy roaring for his love outside the walls of the city walls, how did anyone else even get in and out?
I mean, it is a fantasy series so anything is possible. From what Im seeing, the Grey King was a man, a very large (possibly a giant) man.
Oh yeah the grey king part was more of a possible side avenue if the idea of Argoth made sense, like we could be picturing all these hero/giants&gods as humans when maybe the characters the stories are about are ...weirder than we're realizing. Another awesome video though either way
Maybe "that which is dead may never die" means people who have been whighted can't be killed by greyscale
"What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger."
I know I'm late to the game here, but I feel the need caution people who are curious about icthyosis IRL. There are some disturbing (heartbreaking) photos of infants born with condition out there. I believe incest is believed to be suspected in a lot of cases.
Gray scale might also provide some protection from fire.
I just thought of something else, since ichthyotic disorders are because of a problem in the DNA that causes severe dehydration in the skin to where it turns into scaly, hard patches of skin, it requires debridement and MOISTURIZING. All of these characters are around water. just a random thought while kind of working a DDx on these characters.
Do you think theres a connection between Hugor of the Hill's foretold 44 sons and the 44 ribs of Naga, or just a coincidence?
Yes. There is an essay on r/asoiaf by tootles that i will someday discuss. Iys about mark train and the number 44. It a literary nod to the concept of the doppleganger. As ive said previously we have a story about two brothers that look alike. So with there being 44 sons and 44 islands i wouldnt say they are directly related like the iron islands being just and interpretation of hugors sons or vice versa. Its more of a literary nod that can help to explain several things that i hope to discuss when we talk about the titan's two roars. Hope this helps! Just type go to r/asoiaf and search "44 twain" if you are interested in reading tootles essay... its good.
There was a Saera Targarian, one of the Old Kings kids ages ago who ran off to a pillow house in Lys. Think he named Ilyrios wife the same name to hint at something?
Yes. Saera did had a son in Lys and a daughter too. Her daughter Mysaria was paramour of Daemon Targaryen and was an albino. Saera's sister died of Greyscale btw which is another nod to Serra of Lys. Saera Targaryen could be tied to Serenei of Lys as well, and an ancestor of Shiera Waters.
Interesting! So you think the religion of the Drown God is a distant memory of past events, such as the white walkers, or do you think this god truly exists?
I'm asking because I know some fans think Patchface is his avatar. What's your opinion?
Great as always Hey quick question what's your take on the master of the citadal do you think they have been trying to kill magic and targs? Also which of the free citites do you think helped cause the doom besides bravvos
Hey Wolfsbane, Im not doing much citadel analysis... but the theories I have read regarding the citadel canbe quite compelling. I would be more interested in understanding the Hightowers and their influence on the Citadel. Ive read something on Westeros.org called the God's eye conspiracy. Interesting stuff going on with that theory which does deal with engineering the Dance and the crippling of the Targaryen dynasy.
@@TheDisputedLands thanks for replying to my comment . Also I agree I think the Hightowers are a key player in all this but what I don't get why all the lords of westeros allow mastaers in theri keeps when it was founded by a fellow house a rival in all but name
Old Man of the River had a rivalry with Crab King. What's the significance of crabs?
Harlequin phonetically is Har-le-kwin.
thanks for the feedback, but I unfortunately cant go back and fix pronunciations
@@TheDisputedLands No worries, it can also be pronounced Har-le-kin. It's a lesser known, older pronunciation derived from its French and Italian forms but still used! www.dictionary.com/browse/harlequin
@@ShakespeareofThrones ah, i had thought it was pronounced similar to mannequin. I guess i wasnt terribly far off after all.😀
@@TheDisputedLands Not at all. There's a theatre company in my hometown called "Harlequin Productions" and I had heard it pronounced both ways--the artists wavering between the -kwin and -kin in typical motley fashion :)
All this just implies Jon con will be super important, in the show they put it on jorra but I bet he goes beast mode like the mountain
Sounds like something the ice king says.
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hey thanks!
Well, Harlon would have died of grayscale, if Euron had not stolen the kill
When you talk about the broken sword, is that Aragorn's sword you show? 😊
Yep!!!
Is it possible Saera and Shireen caught the sickness at the same time? Btw Saera's hands couldn't be kept as Greyscale affects hands and feet first. Tysha also had blue eyes like pools and was willowy like the Maiden.
Merovingians. Descendents of a Sea Monster called a Quinotar. Mero-vingians. Maris the Maid. Maris. Of the sea. Stella Maris. Star of the Sea. Avatar of both The Virgin Mary and Babylon the Great who are juxtaposed in the Book of Revelation as "a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet wearing a crown of twelve stars" and "sitting on many waters". This seemingly different pair is in fact one and the same, a symbol of the conjunctio oppositorum or "conjunction of opposites" familiar to Alchemists, Kabbalists, and Tantrists. This relationship is further illustrated by the revelations of Madimi to John Dee and Edward Kelley and by the Gnostic text 'Thunder the Perfect Mind'. Obviously much has been made of alleged connections between the Merovingians and a supposed Magdelane (Mary Magdelane, a cognate of the Virgin and Whore...who, interestingly enough may have been involved in the resurrection of Lazarus) bloodline. Additionally this lineage connects to various Middle Eastern goddess figures such as Tiamat, Inana/Ishtar, Lilith, Cybelle, Atargatis (a Syrian "mermaid goddess) and others. The word Babylon itself means "Gateway of the gods" and further ties this current to the Lovecraftian entity Yog-Sothoth (who, as the "all-in-one", is quite the cunjinctio oppositorum himself) of whom it is said "Yog-Sothoth is the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate. Past, present, future, all are one in Yog-Sothoth. He knows where the Old Ones broke through of old, and where They shall break through again." Lovecraftian entities often have connections to the sea and Cthulhu (what is dead may never die...) is said to re-emerge "when the stars are right." The worshippers of the old ones are known as The Church of Starry Wisdom in Lovecraft's mythos. Wisdom (Sophia) is synonymous with the feminine across several occult traditions. So we arrive again at The Star of the Sea. The Starry Wisdom cult probably knows some shit about this.
Incidentally, Maris the Maid marries Uthar of the Hightower causing Argoth to be big mad. Uthar is an obvious allusion to Uthrr Pendragon, father of King Arthur. This steife between Argorh and Uthar ccould link the story to that of the Grey King killing the sea dragon Naga. It's also worth noting that Uthar and Maris' child Peremore is more or less responsible for the establishment of the Citadel and the order of Maesters. The Maesters who, according to Starry Wisdom affiliate Marwin, may be responsible for the end of Magic and the dragons.
Bless him with salt huh? Val was said to made of salt once, and salt woman is directly tied to wife of Lot, and Sodom and Gomorrah, those cities were destroyed due to volcanic eruptions. And volcanoes = fire.
I see
Is it possible Florian the Fool drowned in Maidenpool and Jonquil returned him back to life? Could Jonquil be a Swan Maiden, luring Florian and returning him back to life for some reason? Is it a clue that the Great Other is a woman after all?
The most likely place for the drowning would be the iron islands, although the place he first met this wayer womsn could have been maidenpool. The story was likely adapted to suit each region and locality so you will see variations so i myself prefer to pay attention to certain themes.
@@TheDisputedLands thank you for replying, there is a Ironborn house sigil with a drowning man, is he a Florian figure as well? There is also a branch of House Flint with blue eyes above the sea, is Danny Flint tied to this monomyth too?
But it's almost 2 and I need to go to sleep!
Well extra thanks for watching!!