My favorite part is getting my overheads set perfectly to capture the perfect image of the kit. I find that if I do that, I have to less on each of my close mics.
the summing plugin.. by far the best part. Although it should be free with Luna. I use a similar plugin in Reaper (Sumthing by Tukan) and its just as great and makes evrything sound better.. especially drums. Actually Luna is quite cool.. its very much like Reaper.. a little more restricted and polished, but it does have some of the advantages.
Awesome, lots of good stuff in here, thanks :) Comparison: Without ANY processing: 14:08 With EQ/Comp: 17:53 With Tape: 18:54 With Neve Summing: 20:08 With Decapitator: 21:01 With Ocean Way: 21:31 Whole kit with Decapitator on Kit mic: 22:36 With Ampex on mixbus: 23:17
the way you can shape afterthought the sound of your drums it's crazy to me how good it ends up sounding, heck I might buy myself an UAD interface for christmas 🤣🤣
Thanks for this! As a drummer just getting started with Luna, these ideas will be a great jumping off point to start experimenting. I have not found much info specifically on tracking drums with Luna. So, please keep it coming!
I love the UAD Distressor plugin. I use it a lot on drums. That in conjunction with some eq and tsr reverb to make it sound a bit bigger. Most people that hear my drums think it was recorded in a large room. I have a similar setup, smallish room where i had to essentially kill and control the room with sound treatment. Amazing what plugins and some good mic placement can do these days.
Loved this! I'm currently setting up my own commercial studio and have pretty much an identical set up to you! Would love to see a video on building your career and generating business and any advice you would have for people who are producing and engineering as a job! Thanks!
I had to make a choice. a hard choice. Between the 1073 and the 1084 during the sale. I went with the 1084 as it seemed to have a more modern sound. Did you pick it up as well? How do you find they compare?
I recently mixed 2 songs in logic pro. Started using Luna and Im like WHAT!! Im not gonna go back and remix them what I will do is run the 2 track through Luna to get that Thicky Icky goodness. Needless to say the remainder of the album will be mixed in Luna. Crazy
I'd like to hear the comleted mix with all instruments. As it is now, the cymbals sound too loud and abrasive, but I'm almost sure some of that would get eaten up by other instruments and further corrective processing. I never mix drums without all the other instruments but I do understand the reasons you did in this vid. Keep it coming. Cheers.
Hi, Andrew thanks for the video love it...my humble opinion, even if you ad all the nice bells and whistles something I notice is your kick drum always sounds far away even if you juice up the drum sound. I am just asking do you think if one places the kick mic closer especially the inside mic to get a better attack... you will automatically get a much better presence? Listen to your video and for instance, compare your normal vocals with your drum sound. I am a big fan that sound must sit close .....the presence for me personally is very important that the sound does not disappear in the back......am I wrong or are there some truth to that. Just asking please help. Thanks Andrew great video
Great video man I watch every single video you post since I just started my home studio. In my genre I'm a known musician BUT I suck at recording lol! (Learning) but that said thanks to my rep as a musician I have been getting alot of work already for my home studio. So I need to get this down right and thanks to you im learning quite a bit brotha. Quick question! I have been talking to some clients about the necessity of a actual studio vs a home studio. What would the difference be if my home studio is treated and has great gear? My point is that you can get the same great result at the end if the mix engineer is good it doesn't matter where you record as long as the performance is good, acoustics are good and the mix engineer is good. What is your insight on this since you have more experience in the home studio world?
There are a lot of differences between home studios and commercial studios. Especially as every studio is completely difference. I’m a believer that the tracking engineer and the producer play the biggest and most essential part of the process. Learning and doing is the best no matter what role you’re playing.
Hey Andrew, I took Spanish lessons as well, and a... Spanish for "two" is pronounced such as "tho-os" vs trying to pronounce "dos" as if trying to say "dough". Just saying... Otherwise good recommendations on micing a small kit for rock-type tunes. Thanks!
Great sound , I realise your studio build was more about building an excellent sounding room for recording and mixing and not soundproofing but out of interest how loud are those drums outside your house? Great video
I would love to see you get a Clarett 8 pre or something like that and compare it to the UA. I know you compared the Scarlett but that is kinda unfair imo. I have really been torn on spending the money on the UA, but if i could find comparison that showed the UA are that much better.
If I get my hands on one, i'll happily shoot it out. Better is better! I personally think the UA ecosystem is the best. The ARM, LUNA, Unison technology, Console, UAD plugs, expandability, hardware/software processing and routing is unparalleled. I'm investing in it for my new studio as I gear up, and it is wayyyy better. For me. haha
@@AndrewMasters i mean i get it, but man that price!! i have 16 tracks of Clarett and its awesome but i mean, i am just wondering if that UA is just worth 3x the price. Your drums sound great. I would be happy to send you what i get from mine and we can compare. That would be a great colab. Infact we just put out a EP and it should hit spotify on friday. The Oort Patrol. Check it out.
Which size is your room? how many acoustic panels do you have? I have a home studio and my drums sound a bit more live, which I don't like. Also it looks like I have more rockwool panels so I'm getting something wrong :(
Bro I’m running an M1 Mac mini and my Luna keeps shutting off as soon as I try and load a session. This is even after the latest updates. I’m just going back to Logic although I feel like if I’m using an Apollo 8 interface, Luna should be flawless. 🤷🏽♂️ but love your channel bro! You make me dream big!
Maybe print the 2-mix of the before and after and then you can X-OR solo between the two? Okay sorry, I’ll stop telling you how to do your job now haha love the videos!
haha What I mean is the videos where it's static A-B, it can often for "reviews" or "comparisons". I'm hoping to do more informative types of videos to empower the viewers to use these things with their music or projects, instead of me saying this is better or that is better.
Hi Andrew, Thanks for your reply ! Are they these : www.thomann.de/be/istanbul_agop_15_xist_hi_hat_brilliant.htm the hihats that you have? I'm looking for a pair of hihats that record well, that aren't too loud and blend nicely with the rest of the drums and don't stand out too much. Preferably also towards the darker side.... Do you know of any other hihats I should definitely check out ? Super thanks !!! Gr, Jan
Nailed it. That’s because I showed the end result at 12:49 and then broke it down completely, to show the original recording, and then added the different elements I used to achieve that end result.
Way too much chit chat . About shit that most others do not have in their home set up. Im sure the video was a lot of work to create. but Ill have to move on. Thanks anyways :)
What's your favorite part of the process?
My favorite part is getting my overheads set perfectly to capture the perfect image of the kit. I find that if I do that, I have to less on each of my close mics.
when I finally get it right haha
man, the neve suming makes it sound great!
Does it put any compression on the master bus?
what's the cost to record favor a song?
the summing plugin.. by far the best part. Although it should be free with Luna. I use a similar plugin in Reaper (Sumthing by Tukan) and its just as great and makes evrything sound better.. especially drums. Actually Luna is quite cool.. its very much like Reaper.. a little more restricted and polished, but it does have some of the advantages.
Awesome, lots of good stuff in here, thanks :)
Comparison:
Without ANY processing: 14:08
With EQ/Comp: 17:53
With Tape: 18:54
With Neve Summing: 20:08
With Decapitator: 21:01
With Ocean Way: 21:31
Whole kit with Decapitator on Kit mic: 22:36
With Ampex on mixbus: 23:17
the way you can shape afterthought the sound of your drums it's crazy to me how good it ends up sounding, heck I might buy myself an UAD interface for christmas 🤣🤣
This one is DOOZY. Packed with info. Thanks man. Watching through to the end for sure.
Yeah, I like this stuff. Thanks!
Love this - really well done. Happy to have found another music production channel. Superb quality!
Thanks man! Much appreciated
The neve summing is sensational. Brings everything forward in a harmonic sense.
This is awesome man! I’ve had Luna installed since it launched and have only opened it 3 times. This video makes me want to rectify it!
It’s so good
Thanks for this! As a drummer just getting started with Luna, these ideas will be a great jumping off point to start experimenting. I have not found much info specifically on tracking drums with Luna. So, please keep it coming!
Sure will! I have a cool one in the works.
You, Andrew, are the studio production audio equivalent of Peter McKinnon. Such a good energy, enthusiasm and being down to earth and not too serious.
Ayyyyy! Thanks my man. He’s obviously one of my favorite youtubers. Major inspiration for starting my channel.
I love the UAD Distressor plugin. I use it a lot on drums. That in conjunction with some eq and tsr reverb to make it sound a bit bigger. Most people that hear my drums think it was recorded in a large room. I have a similar setup, smallish room where i had to essentially kill and control the room with sound treatment. Amazing what plugins and some good mic placement can do these days.
Loved this! I'm currently setting up my own commercial studio and have pretty much an identical set up to you! Would love to see a video on building your career and generating business and any advice you would have for people who are producing and engineering as a job! Thanks!
Thank you! I appreciate it.
WOOOOOOO!!!
Aaaaoooowwwwwwww!
Great stuff - restores my faith that I can get good drum sounds in my home studio
Sure can!
sounds so goooood my dude!
Right?? Thanks man!
This sounded killer just listening on my phone! Great job Andrew!
Thanks!
I just purchased an apollo x8p. I Can't wait to start learning and using Luna...
THIS video is awesome. You really did a great job with this one.
Thanks love!
Thanks for this content I have just recorded drums with all that in mind and the results have been awesome. Keep up the great work!
Thanks man! That’s great
I had to make a choice. a hard choice. Between the 1073 and the 1084 during the sale. I went with the 1084 as it seemed to have a more modern sound. Did you pick it up as well? How do you find they compare?
Same pre amp! Only difference is the EQ, 4 band vs 3 band. That’s my favorite pre amp.
I love your videos man, keep up the great work, rock on 🤘
Thanks! Will do!
I recently mixed 2 songs in logic pro. Started using Luna and Im like WHAT!! Im not gonna go back and remix them what I will do is run the 2 track through Luna to get that Thicky Icky goodness. Needless to say the remainder of the album will be mixed in Luna. Crazy
I’m right there with you. I’ve literally had this same thing happen to me.
Great video, super helpful. Question about the music bus. I cant see your output assignment so what exactly is getting sent to the music bus?
I'd like to hear the comleted mix with all instruments. As it is now, the cymbals sound too loud and abrasive, but I'm almost sure some of that would get eaten up by other instruments and further corrective processing. I never mix drums without all the other instruments but I do understand the reasons you did in this vid. Keep it coming. Cheers.
Thanks!
Just goes to show how important each step is. Awesome sounding kit!
Totally, thank you!
Very cool!
Thank you!
Thanks Andrew! You did it again!
GREAT video. Thanks, Andy. GG
Thanks Carol!
What can I say...? This drum mix is phenomenal. 👏
Amazing work !
Keep it up 👍🏼
Thank you! Will do!
Thanks for the great video, enjoyed it!
bout to mic the kit up next week, thank you broski.
sounds killer well done
Love it man.. though I have such an urge to put an EQ and boost the highs on the drum bus :P
Haha thanks
Those raw drums sounded better than some of my final mixes!
Hi, Andrew thanks for the video love it...my humble opinion, even if you ad all the nice bells and whistles something I notice is your kick drum always sounds far away even if you juice up the drum sound. I am just asking do you think if one places the kick mic closer especially the inside mic to get a better attack... you will automatically get a much better presence? Listen to your video and for instance, compare your normal vocals with your drum sound. I am a big fan that sound must sit close .....the presence for me personally is very important that the sound does not disappear in the back......am I wrong or are there some truth to that. Just asking please help. Thanks Andrew great video
Great video man I watch every single video you post since I just started my home studio. In my genre I'm a known musician BUT I suck at recording lol! (Learning) but that said thanks to my rep as a musician I have been getting alot of work already for my home studio. So I need to get this down right and thanks to you im learning quite a bit brotha.
Quick question! I have been talking to some clients about the necessity of a actual studio vs a home studio. What would the difference be if my home studio is treated and has great gear? My point is that you can get the same great result at the end if the mix engineer is good it doesn't matter where you record as long as the performance is good, acoustics are good and the mix engineer is good. What is your insight on this since you have more experience in the home studio world?
There are a lot of differences between home studios and commercial studios. Especially as every studio is completely difference. I’m a believer that the tracking engineer and the producer play the biggest and most essential part of the process. Learning and doing is the best no matter what role you’re playing.
@@AndrewMasters thanks for the reply! Thats exactly the way i see it. What goes in...comes out. Looking forward for more of your videos 🙏🏼
HUGE!!!!..Love it,
Doesn't the AEA R 88 have two outputs for stereo? If so, that's 9 mics, not 8. Either way, sounds great
Hey Andrew, I took Spanish lessons as well, and a... Spanish for "two" is pronounced such as "tho-os" vs trying to pronounce "dos" as if trying to say "dough". Just saying... Otherwise good recommendations on micing a small kit for rock-type tunes. Thanks!
Just checking in now. GG
Amazing video! would've loved to hear some toms though! but great sounding track and very informational vid!
Appreciate it! Thanks
Great sound , I realise your studio build was more about building an excellent sounding room for recording and mixing and not soundproofing but out of interest how loud are those drums outside your house? Great video
Thanks man. It's that loud, but it's by no means sound proof. If you're in the driveway - you can unmistakably hear them.
I would love to see you get a Clarett 8 pre or something like that and compare it to the UA. I know you compared the Scarlett but that is kinda unfair imo. I have really been torn on spending the money on the UA, but if i could find comparison that showed the UA are that much better.
If I get my hands on one, i'll happily shoot it out. Better is better! I personally think the UA ecosystem is the best. The ARM, LUNA, Unison technology, Console, UAD plugs, expandability, hardware/software processing and routing is unparalleled. I'm investing in it for my new studio as I gear up, and it is wayyyy better. For me. haha
@@AndrewMasters i mean i get it, but man that price!! i have 16 tracks of Clarett and its awesome but i mean, i am just wondering if that UA is just worth 3x the price. Your drums sound great. I would be happy to send you what i get from mine and we can compare. That would be a great colab. Infact we just put out a EP and it should hit spotify on friday. The Oort Patrol. Check it out.
thomas hudson i suppose it all depends on what you want out of your set up, cheers on the EP!
Which size is your room? how many acoustic panels do you have?
I have a home studio and my drums sound a bit more live, which I don't like. Also it looks like I have more rockwool panels so I'm getting something wrong :(
Check out the build! th-cam.com/video/ms4nxmJbjcM/w-d-xo.html
@@AndrewMasters Ok gotcha haha that's some serious bass trapping behind the walls :O
Hey Andrew, I’m a fan from the Philippines! Great stuff 👍🏻 May I ask what brand your microphone snake is? Cheers
Thanks! I think it’s made by live wire
Nice video ! How to conect warm preamp to apollo !! make a video of that plis !! !!
More LUNA stuff!
Hi ! Thanks for the video, what is your snare and head model please ?
how would you mic a cajon? it a flamenco percusion instrument..ejej just want your thoughts. great vids. saludos desde Malaga, España
Hey man, nice video, what snare are you using? and which head you have on it Thx
It’s a Ludwig black beauty shell assembled by C&C Custom 14”x5.5”
Controlled sound - Remo
@@AndrewMasters Thanks man! appreciate it!
BTW, we can trade spanish lessons with audio question...🤟
Bro I’m running an M1 Mac mini and my Luna keeps shutting off as soon as I try and load a session. This is even after the latest updates. I’m just going back to Logic although I feel like if I’m using an Apollo 8 interface, Luna should be flawless. 🤷🏽♂️ but love your channel bro! You make me dream big!
What was that little box that you plugged all the mics into
pretty tight yet interesting drum sound. not Ocean way HUUUGE by any means but you don't need that. As you said, TUNING is super important.
Cool stuff man. I wish there was less talking between the A/B. Love what you’re saying haha just want to hear the difference more clearly.
I feel you. I’m testing the format a little bit.
Thanks!
Maybe print the 2-mix of the before and after and then you can X-OR solo between the two? Okay sorry, I’ll stop telling you how to do your job now haha love the videos!
haha What I mean is the videos where it's static A-B, it can often for "reviews" or "comparisons". I'm hoping to do more informative types of videos to empower the viewers to use these things with their music or projects, instead of me saying this is better or that is better.
Great Sound
soo good!
Thanks
Very Nice recording
Enjoyed, thanks
BIG SOUND BRO! LOVE IT. CAN YOU MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT FAKE ROOM TRICK? CHEER FROM VENEZUELA 🤓👍🏻
Thanks man. I got you, th-cam.com/video/XNfO13WT1rQ/w-d-xo.html
Great video !!!
Which cymbals do you use in this video ?
Thanks !
Gr,
Jan
21” sweet ride, 18” HHX ‘xtreme crash’, 18” a custom crash, 15” Istanbul xist hats,
Hi Andrew,
Thanks for your reply !
Are they these : www.thomann.de/be/istanbul_agop_15_xist_hi_hat_brilliant.htm the hihats that you have?
I'm looking for a pair of hihats that record well, that aren't too loud and blend nicely with the rest of the drums and don't stand out too much.
Preferably also towards the darker side....
Do you know of any other hihats I should definitely check out ?
Super thanks !!!
Gr,
Jan
Yes, that’s exactly what I go for.
Are you using the natural or brilliant finish.
Sounds good
What do you think about earthworks
I'm just here for the Mudvayne plaque and the tractor
like your new intro. even though your longer one was great. i think the shorter the better
Hey thanks! We can all thank MKBHD for the inspiration. Short and sweet.
On my DT880 I hear no difference between 12:49 and 24:29. And wave forms looking similar.
Nailed it. That’s because I showed the end result at 12:49 and then broke it down completely, to show the original recording, and then added the different elements I used to achieve that end result.
Sorry if I was unclear about that, still learning how to speak.
I want to make friends with you, how?
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I want Luna now
Can you play country drums?
Yes sir!
Andrew Masters ill keep you in mind for my next project.
What snare???
Good vude9 man, but 12 minute mark to see and hear the thing is a bit much
Great drum sounds regardless
Nice
Saludos
Holaaaa que tal!
Hey bro I love your channel would love to chat sometime if you have time
Nice video, BUT!!!! Please quit saying before and after and just play the two back to back so we can hear it.
Glynn Johns KILLED it with 3 mics. End of.
Anything other than Barbeque is unnecessary smiling
Way too much chit chat . About shit that most others do not have in their home set up. Im sure the video was a lot of work to create. but Ill have to move on. Thanks anyways :)