Why buy It Over Better Performing Subwoofers? Paradigm XR13 Review with Demos
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- The Paradigm XR13 performs well for a small package, but should you buy it over a better performing larger driver subwoofer? Let's talk about it, plus do some measurements & demos.
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Great video Barrett, one of the best descriptive reviews of a sub I have ever watched. Your videos may be spaced a bit further apart than usual due to work, but they are still a must watch. Keep up the great work!!
Thanks man. That means a lot, I appreciate the kind words. I just hope my videos are helpful for anyone watching them. Thanks again for all your support brother!
@@SpecOfTech I always learn something from your videos, whether I'm in the market or not for the product. You have a knack for explaining it in lamens terms, but we also have a similar thought process and we both just enjoy learning more about the hobby. Next time I am in Calgary, we will definitely have to get together to talk home theater, I just dont get there nearly as often as I used to.
Keep up the awesome work and I appreciate your dedication to the craft.
@@shaneducholke364 Absolutely, I would love to. Maybe you can come by for a demo.
Thanks for this one. I’ve been waiting for your review. Over the past 5 months I’ve upgraded to the Founder 90c, Founder 120h’s and an MRX 1140. I’ve had my eye on this sub since it was announced but wanted to wait to see how it performed for others before spending that much money on a single sub. My setup is in our living room, so aesthetics are important.
Well I truly hope this helped my friend!
Great review! Thanks for sharing
The finish on this subwoofer is stunningly beautiful
Great review! I was wondering when you were going to upload this one. The excursion on that driver is impressive.
Right?! For a 13" that thing can move some air, and look good doing it too.
I saw an XR13 in a showroom and was surprised at how small (relatively speaking) it is. In a brief demo alongside Founder towers, it sounded very good.
Yet again you did it. Well done and thank you for the great review. You know what I have in order but I always wondered what it would be like to have of XRs. This gives me a good idea of their performance. Paradigm focuses on the quality of quantity over just quantity in a small awesome looking small package.
Thanks brother, I'm glad you found it helpful!
Great video as usual! Jeez that is a beautiful sub, nothing I know of comes close. Same with the Founders. Screams quality. Bet it would be phenomenal in a 2ch setup!
I believe it is ideal for a 2 channel setup. I don't feel it is BEST suited for home theater, but at the same time it does dig down to about 15hz, so it can still perform quite well for that application too.
Ribbed for your pleasure ! 😮
Just bought a pair of Paradigm 2000sw. They certainly have a tightness with music.
Might have to actually play with the ARC setup to see what these can actually do.
Great review, one best on this sub!
Rare to find any shootouts but if there is one I’d like to see XR13 vs DB1D vs F113v2 vs Rel Carbon 12 vs r210s. All within the same price range.
The looks are just awesome!😲
I do wonder if Paradigm will ever update their king of the hill Sub 2 though.👀
Great review as always.👊
Thanks man! I hope they do update their Sub 2 and increase the performance while reducing the price.
They keep updating SUB 2 and it gets better every year :) But they don't inform about the corrections :)
SUB 2 2024 plays better than SUB 2 2010 :)
Thank you very much. Great video buddy 👍. So where you have the X15 and I have 2 X15 how do it compare? I would think the XR13 is better but at 4 times the price and I can't get to hear the XR13 how would you rate them both? Thanks for all your reviews your doing a fantastic job 👏
Thanks brother much appreciated. I would say the XR13 has a better quality bass that carries more weight with it. When it comes to shear SPL numbers, it won't beat the X15. The X15 has a larger driver and is ported, so SPL numbers will be an easy win for the X15. That being said, the XR13 is only for those that want a beautiful subwoofer, that has quality bass, but they don't prioritize max output over all else.
@@SpecOfTech thank you
You've done some reviews on the X15. How do the two stand up against one another? In your opinion, would two X15s perform better than one XR13, or even going nutz and getting two of them? Thanks!
I am sure you are aware, but it's worth pointing out that they are 2 very different subwoofers. The X15 is ported and the XR13 is sealed. The quality of bass is much better on the XR13, it's more nuanced with a more dense/thicker presentation. The X15 will have more peak output given the fact that it's ported, but overall the quality of bass isn't as good. The X15 still have a nice sharp kick to them, but they lack the authoritative weight that the XR13 can provide with that kick.
I can see that Paradigm has intended for this subwoofer to compete against the JL Audio Fathom f113v2, JL Audio Fathom F112 v2 and Bowers & Wilkins DB1D 12 to name but a few.
I have the exact midnight cherry XR13 in my room with my Founder 120H's and 90C and they look and sound absolutely amazing .Depending on where and how you utilize this sub is the key I have it in my living room which is open concept to the kitchen area, and they are a work of art which yes absolutely am proud to display .If you're in the market for this level of hifi while maintaining a level of class and modern looks to your space I highly recommend auditioning if at all possible ,,,,, and both the 120's , C90 and the XR13 rock for movies but if you love music as well they kick ass in the most eloquent and articulate way .
What crossover do you have the 120h at ?
@@benfits8768 I used the ARC Genesis to update and configure , however for surround duties I use Dirac with the 120’s set to large at around 50hz and in 2 channel I use direct as the 120’s have active subs
@@EM-ke8is why not use anthem for the 120s ? I'm asking because it has my crossover at 100.
How big is your living area. I’m looking at 2 of these to go with the 100f and 90c. Not sure if they will do the job for 100% Home Theater. My living area is 14,000 cubic feet. Sit around 12 foot from screen
@@thunderracing1527 if your living area is 14000 and not 1400 then you need a few more of these strategically placed
What sounded better in your opinion with room correction with music svs pb 3000 or paradigm x15 in your opinion
The X15, with it's downward firing port almost eliminates port noise. So if you don't like port noise, the X15 all they way. If you want a slightly deeper sound signature and tone, the PB3000 has a bit of a meatier sound to it. It depends on your preference.
You're also paying for incredible build quality. I've had a few other high end subs from rel. JL audio. And they had amp and or driver issues. When I had a pair of prestige 2000 sw subs from paradigm hooked up it was close to bass heaven. For about a year. Then I ended up selling them. Shouldn't have as they probably were the best subs I've had but I'm an upgrade junkie like Barret here haha.
Anyway yes this xr13 is pretty dang expensive. I hope they come out with a 15 inch version. Or even 16 inch maybe. That would be something.
So what happened to your JTR's? Are you keeping the paradigms?
I still have the JTR CAP2400's. I will be keeping them.
Hey Barrett, you should do a video on ported vs sealed subwoofers. It seems that all highest end subs are all sealed.
I have done some videos on the ported vs sealed thing on my channel. It really depends on your preferences. There are high end subs that are ported as well. In my opinion manufacturers like Paradigm usually make their top end subwoofers sealed because of sizing. To get great low end performance on a ported subwoofer, the cabinet needs to be quite large. Most people with high budgets don't want something big and bulky in their set up, at least the ones that I have talked to. They would rather pay a premium for a good looking, much smaller sealed subwoofer. That being said, sealed subwoofers do leave performance on the table to achieve their small size.
Great video, thanks, I was waiting for your review. I have Founder 100f and 90C. My subs are Paradigm SW1000. My subs look great and pass the wife test. Do you think the X-13 would be a major upgrade or more of a sideways move. The SW 1000 are 12" drivers. I found that the bass is so good in the F100's that I listen to 2 channel now without the subs. If I had the X-13 it would only be for home theater. I have the AVM90 and I turned off signal processing as I have a high end Streamer with DAC, Lumin T2 with analog connection which sounds better than converting to digital and using the 90 DAC. Even if the X-13 is better for two channel I don't think I could use as turning off signal processing kills the subs, thanks
The 1000sw is a great subwoofer, BUT it is completely flawed by having a harsh subsonic filter at 22hz (30db/Oct), this causes phasing issues further up the spectrum making it impossible to blend with mains running at full range. If you use a Crossover on your speakers/sub you might be ok.
@@andrewpeel912 thanks for your reply. I think you are exactly right which is probably why I prefer 2 channel music without the subs. My dealer set up my system so I have no idea how he set the crossover. Home theater sounds great but maybe that could be improved
I keep going back and forth on this or the RS2. Obviously very different options. Upgrade day is swiftly approaching and I’m driving myself crazy trying to figure out which to go with 😂
Do you prioritize looks as #1, or output as #1? That's really what it comes down too.
Beautiful sub, Paradigm isn't really the budget champ they used to be, but they sure make some nice speakers. I agree with you, this sub is not for the bass head looking to shake the foundation, that can be had for less than this one costs. It's for someone who wants a great performing sub that looks as good as it sounds.
Haha yeah, some of their products can be far out of reach budget wise. But those products usually do look outstanding, like this sub.
Thanks for review.. Very interesting.. Seems to me the obvious thing to do is come out with a 15 inch driver sometime in the future..
I hope they do!
Seeing the price for this, I wonder what the price for the 15 one would be - yikes 😬
With the recent significant price hike of SVS subs (in Canada, at least), subs like the XR13 and XR11 look more appealing.
Yeah I agree.
@@SpecOfTech As you correctly noted (warned) in your earlier video, those SVS prices did go up and they've gone up a lot. I now see bricks and mortar stores around Toronto selling SVS subs at the higher prices. It'll be interesting to see how consumers respond.
When u test a sub like this where do u have the volume level on the subwoofer?
When doing compression testing it really doesn't matter what the volumes are set at to be honest. The main focus is on the measurement and at what DB the subwoofer starts to compress. Changing the gain or the volume won't change at what DB the subwoofer compresses at. I hope that answers your question...cheers.
Thanks bud one province over from u in BC here
GREAT REVIEW WHAT IS THE SIZE OF YOUR ROOM
Thank you. It's 21' x 17' x 8'.
Magico Titan 15 Subwoofer have you ever testet this one?? cost in my country is 46.167dollars wauu we need info from this model...
Great video as always Barrett! Geez that is one beautiful looking sub!! In the video it's amazing to look at, but in person it's just a gorgeous cabinet! Tks for your input bud!
Thanks brother, much appreciated. It really is a sight to behold, Paradigm knows how to make something look pretty lol.
Can you review the Polk audio psw505 and the Polk audio HTS12 ?
No sorry, I don't have any plans for those subwoofers at the moment. Maybe in the future if the channel gets more support I can bring in more for reviews...cheers.
@@SpecOfTech yess hopefully because I love your honest opinion on subwoofers and different speaker reviews
@@Lowkey_nxthxn I appreciate that!
I think this is more for stereo systems without bass management features
Edge of Tomorrow opening. 😎
Haha you are the first one to comment on that, and you are 100% right.
One of the best WAF performances subwoofers on the market (as long as they don't look at the credit card statements!)
lol right?! Is accepted until they see the price then...not so much lol.
Wat did the distortion sweep show?
Sorry, I never looked at the distortion sweep. I am still learning REW.
@@SpecOfTech no worries. Distortion tab on top menu bar. Good way to see how clean subs are at different levels so you can compare
How is this compared to the Paradigm Signature Sub2 ?
The Sub 2 will out perform this subwoofer in every metric. It has a lot more cone area, moving mass and more wattage.
@@SpecOfTech I talked to Paradigm headquarters to send you the latest edition of SUB 2 for testing :) This is a custom built Subwoofer and is not available at most dealers. I hope you have a 240V installation ready for such power :)
@petersharps3923 Thanks Peter, I hope they send one my way. I don't have a 240V outlet in my theater room, but I do have 5 separate dedicated 120V 20A circuits.
you ever listen to the persona subs?
I haven't, but I would love to one day!
Hey, can you give me a little explanation on the compression tests you do.
For example. You label is avr at -20db volume.
So is that when 0 db is actually 85db of pink subwoofer noise measured with a SPL meter at C weighting slow.
So, if a subwoofer is beginning to compression so much at like -17 db on the volume, bur reference level watching is supposed to be 0 db, there's no way any of these subs can handle a reference level sound, if they begin to tap out at -17.
Reference is way too loud for me, I usually just watch at between -15db to -20db, but with a +6 db harman applied. So I would think the sub is actually trying to play at -10db, but if it compresses that heavily by -17, no way it is accurate bass, right?
I wouldn't pay much attention to the volume I am using on my AVR. You want to pay more attention the DB measured in the REW graph. Depending on the AVR/Processor, your volume would most likely be different than mine. It's the DB on the graph that matters. Keep in mind that compression just shows that it is compressing, it could still have more peak output based on CEA-2010 numbers, but unfortunately I am not setup to measure that. We also have to keep in mind that these measurements were at my listening position and everybody's MLP would be different distances from the subwoofer. The closer you are the louder and the further the more quiet. Lastly, for some reason the AVM90 did display the reference scale of volume, but it actually played MUCH louder than the reference scale. If I were ever to turn my volume up to 0 db it would be far too loud and probably blow all my equipment. I would say reference on my setup with the AVM90 is closer to -17DB or so...just a guess based on how loud it is.
Including this xr13
Persona sub review
OK yes Paradigm subs are strong high priced as hell but strong wait till you have a problem with one of those. Then you will see what time it is.
Nice looking unit. The market for a 6k cad sub of this nature is tiny however. Even those who have that kind of money to spend i can't see this being a good buy.
For that price you could have TWO power sound audio 21" sealed neo b&c drivers with 2000 watts rms each. Or dual ported 18". Dual monolith 13's or monolith 16". Very few consider these premium subs like jl as they have outrageous price tags.
I agree that this is a niche product, but I am sure Paradigm did their research before building it. Some people just want something to look pretty that has good performance. Not everyone wants something that performs really well, but looks utilitarian or downright ugly lol. Different strokes for different folks with different budgets. Thanks for watching brother...cheers.
I would take 2 of these over anything PSA and Monolith make. Ugly, cheap subs aren't everybody's thing, no matter how much output they have.
@MusclesAVS how do they sound compared to all your other high-end gear. Trade in the jtr for paradigm?
@@honda12345678 I dumped all the JTR gear about 1.5 years ago. Paradigm Perasona's are not really a fair comparison to JTR considering they are like 8x the cost. The verdict on the XR13 subs is still out, I am waiting on 2 new cables from Paradigm so I can take full advantage of ARC on the subs. I need to mess with placement as well. I have an engineer from Paradigm ready to help me so they should get dialed in. They aren't as good as my G25HP's but they are sexy as hell.
Beautiful sub but a 6K under performant sub it's a easy pass
Yeah it definitely isn't for everyone, they are after a niche market...no question.
Paradigm has its sights set firmly on JL audio with this new line.
If you have the founders and are battling space constraints and aesthetic concerns in a common area, this sub makes total sense.
Most wives and girlfriends aren't enthused with dual 15" DIY cabinet aesthetics in their living areas.
Beautiful but know better. Definitely furniture grade.
While I respect your channel I don't think pumping out ridiculous SPL's on a subwoofer interests me,a subwoofer should be designed to blend and augment bass frequency not for what your intentions are,but nothing personal.
He didn’t state his intentions in the video, so don’t assume. That said, output and headroom are important for good quality bass reproduction. The closer you push a sub toward its upper limits, the more distortion is introduced and bass quality suffers. It’s not about ridiculous SPL’s, it’s about headroom.
I merely reviewed the subwoofer and gave the best use cases, in my opinion. This subwoofer IS NOT about ridiculous SPL's, I did make that quite clear in the video. Thanks for watching.
Paradigm always seems to price themselves out of consideration. Three REL 1510's for about the same price
Would never pay the price for this woofer. Sure it looks nice but anyone can watch tutorial videos on TH-cam to make an uglier woofer more aesthetically pleasing.
The looks are kinda hard to ignore though😅😅....they really have outdone themselves here.
I think I would still lean just a tad towards the sub 2 as a Paradigm buyer.
@@rickmorty5215 I also like Paradigm and own many sets of their speakers throughout the years but these Subs unless you have an acoustically transparent screen or have them tucked away in the corners in your home theater are too glossy and would have so much reflection off the finish.
Such state of the art equipment deserves better than the likes of Billie Eilish.
Her music is bass heavy and great for testing subwoofers 😉.