1. Screw the polls! Jen needs to see The Punisher before this drops! 2. The villain you're asking about is Muse 3. The idea is that this was SUPPOSED to be a soft reboot, this was going to effectively be a season 1 with Charlie Cox as a variant of the Netflix version. But there were test screenings that got poor responses from people so the reshoots lead to them doing what they could to make this Season 4 and bring it all into the MCU.
Not only test screenings with people, Kevin Feige himself was dissapointed (which I would argue is proof that since Endgame he give the control to other people) and asked for an overhaul.
Keep in mind Holden it's been years since the events of Season 3. Since then, Kingpin has been in Hawkeye and Echo before this. Matt showed up in No Way Home and She-Hulk. They're touching back to the original continuity but they're adding years between when we last saw these characters in the Netflix shows so not everyone is in the same place as where season 3 left off. It's like catching up with old friends.
The villain with the mask is Muse, he first appeared in the comics in 2016. The girl with Matt is Heather Glenn, he dates her in the Born Again comics. This is set in the MCU but it's essentially season 4. The trailer shows the helmet for the suit he wore in She Hulk, it showed the advertisement for the Rogers play from Hawkeye. Kingpin was set up to be the Mayor at the end of Echo. I think Karen and Foggy will be the reason he suits up again, for vengeance retribution.
I think Foggy death is going to happen early on and that gets Matt to suit up again. The original plan was to kill them both offscreen so it’s very much on the table. They both dodged death in season 3. I think Bullseye will get foggy this time. You could be right about Karen. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they both die.
@@kicknowledgesmith8608I kinda want Karen to be able to handle herself she learns to fight but doesn’t become a hero or anything like that she can just handle herself in a fight maybe something happens to foggy and she changes.
They don’t know what to do with Karen at this point her and Matt never officially happened. They tried to force it and it didn’t work they bought in Elektra and had him hooking up with Claire then had him hook up with She Hulk now they brought in Heather Glenn. They tried to force her with Frank and it went nowhere. They will probably kill her off or she just moves on and get written out. Season 2 was already announced I’d be shocked if she’s still around for that
Echo's post credit scene kinda explains how Fisk from Daredevil s3 is able to run for mayor, basically New York is in shambles and they don't want your traditional political candidate as Mayor, they want a fighter and an outsider
I’m so excited for all the little MCU references. That Times Square shot had a Rogers: The Musical ad and a billboard from Pym and Dyne wishing everyone a Happy New Year. I’m really looking forward to seeing how Fisk becoming Mayor will impact the larger universe. Naturally, Spider-Man has to get involved at some point, right? Daredevil and Spider-Man are pretty much the only traditional heroes in the MCU with secret identities, so a crossover between them would be amazing. Hopefully, this series drops some hints about it happening down the line. Fisk becoming the Mayor of New York already sets up ALOT moving forward for heroes based in the city. Daredevil, and a Spider-Man crossover would break the internet.
All of the Netflix shows were officially made canon after Echo came out. This is the same Matt and Kingpin from previous MCU appearances and the Netflix shows
“I was raised to believe in grace… but I was also raised to believe in retribution”. As a Christian myself, this line hits HARD 🔥🥶 Also just gotta say, people are NOT ready for Muse lol. His comic history is pretty brief overall but the impact he leaves in Daredevil mythos I’d argue is fairly significant. This show is loosely adapting a recent story called Devil’s Reign in certain aspects, and that’s one of my favorite Daredevil stories of the last couple decades. I’m beyond excited for this show. The Daredevil character means so much to me I can’t wait
From what I understand, their original plans for the series weren’t working so they ended up going with the original season 4 pitch for Netflix and brought back a lot of the original cast.
@Slimysnotnose I don't think this is the original pitch for Netflix's S4 however when the original idea wasn't working they fired the entire writing team and the new team included people who worked on the original Netflix shows including Daredevil and Punisher so there might have been some stuff that carried over
@@Keiran714 Exactly. Some of the original concepts for Netflix Daredevil season 4 was to have Leland Owlsley's son, Lee Owlsley, become the new primary villain of the show, Bullseye returning, introducing Typhoid Mary, and have Melvin Potter become the Gladiator. Also, I'm sure they were going to have Daredevil and Punisher team up again and start to adapt elements of the Ed Brubaker and Charles Soule runs.
Imagine being the egotistical shit head who said "let's not use the original team from the Netflix show and make certain this has zero connection to the old show" How fat is your head that you essentially refuse to admit what works indeed works. Glad they reversed those calls but the 8ssue is "WHY WERE THOSE CALLS EVER MADE"
In the comics, Fisk became mayor and he and Matt teamed up to fight. Muse a character. you'll love because he is a very evil serial killer from the same mayor Fisk run.
Originally, it wasn't going to be a continuation of the Netflix series, but since the overhaul/re-shoots of the show everyone involved from the actors,writers,directors, and producers say that this is a direct continuation of the Netflix series
I have watched you guys for about 3 years now from time to time, and it's funny seeing Jen being a nerd now. Like seeing how exciting jen was when she saw Daredevil and Fisk was really funny to me
just to confirm, this is the same matt as the netflix shows, they have since confirmed all of the Netflix shows are canon, and all of them will return at some point, including Iron fist (tho he may just return as supporting character in luke cage)
The masked villain is called Muse. Debuted in the comics around 2016 during the Charles Soule Daredevil run. Muse is basically a deranged serial killer artist. In the comics, for example, he painted a large mural with the blood of over a hundred missing people.
You have to keep in mind that there are a few years between season 3 and DDBA. So a lot of things might have already happened in between. And if you watched Echo, Fisk wanted to run for Mayor.
It's the same daredevil and kingpin from the original show. All marvel netflix shows were racanonized when echo came out. Also, in timeline wise, born again takes place roughly 8-9 years after the events of season 3
Nice reactions, I really hope Jen gets to watch The Punsher someday. 5:15 Also The fact they have Muse as the Main Villain is very Insane. If you don’t know who Muse is, he’s a semi-super serial killer who uses the blood of his victims to paint murals, but also has an ability to appear invisible to Matt making him hard to detect with his senses. This makes Muse a challenging menace to Daredevil.
Yep! As everyone is saying - SCREW ALL THE POLLS! Jen has to see The Punisher season 1 (at least) before March! Also make sure you watch one of the best trailers (imho) EVER, The Punisher trailer with action beats set to Metallica!
I personally think Fisk being out of prison and Matt no longer being Daredevil are both connected to the Blip. Like maybe because of how crazy things were after the snap Fisk was able to find a loophole and be released early, then maybe in his anger about that Matt accidentally killed someone and decided to hang up the suit.
Alright guys, I strongly suggest that you guys watch Echo. She was actually in Hawkeye. The Kingpin has a big role in Echo but a small one in Hawkeye. Echo is only 5 episodes, so you guys can knock that out fast.
Yall need to watch The Punisher and Echo before watching this! You mentioned that it keeps losing polls but yall have just watched what you wanted to watch regardless before so do it here! haha this is important! 🤣
Echo fills in some gaps. Also, if you look in the background of the Fisk and Vanessa scene, you can see the "Rabbit in a Snowstorm" painting with all the blood over it that came onto it when Matt was absolutely beating the hell out of Fisk in 3x13, showing that that all still happened, meaning it's likely that the events are just a straight continuation. It has also been noted by many sources that it will be a continuation.
Just let Jen watch 'The Punisher' already. Forget the polls! Great show and we're all due for a re-watch before 'Born Again' drops...Holden Thomas Hardman
It will probably just be on screen now and the reason for retribution, A line was crossed. We see the mask falling and there are ambulances in the background while he’s talking to Fisk.
yeah its the same character things like the rabbit in the snowstorm splattered w blood and other stuff confirm that. The defenders shows are on the official mcu timeline on disney plus. This is season 4
Definitely, It would be fun watch Punisher before Daredevil comes out, especially if Jen has been wanting to see it and waiting for content purposes. I loved when both Jen and Holden gasped at seeing Bullseye! XD That was definitely a great character surprise when the casting was confirmed!
Yes this is a continuation. Multiple actors have said it is just as violent if not more than the original series. At the end of Echo, he was watching the news and they were talking about the city wanting a new mayor who was different , and a fighter. These aren't variants, they are the same ones. New Rockstars in the breakdown for this has the quotes it is a continuation.
Honestly, for continuity comparison, you guys need to binge Punisher ASAP before this new Daredevil series releases. I'd even go to say, binge Echo and even Hawkeye as well to get better knowledge on this version of Fisk.
This is the same universe as the Netflix show. When they were originally making the show, it wasn’t connected to the Netflix series and it was gonna be its own thing set within the MCU but they realize that was a stupid thing so they made the Netflix shows Cannon into the overall MCU and completely rebranded this show and made it to where it is canon into both the OG Netflix series and the MCU
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 ik that’s what I’m trying to explain. I’m just trying to say that like when the show is announced it was announced as a soft reboot and that it wouldn’t be connected to the old Netflix show and that it was just gonna be a new thing in the MCU but then they realize that was stupid so then they decide to make not only this show came into the Netflix series, but make all of the Netflix shows Cannon to the MCU. So yes, it is season four just in the MCU.
@@imisaiah06 The Netflix show, while not officially recognized as canon by Marvel Studios until recently, was always meant to be set in the MCU. The Battle of New York was the reason for the crime in season 1 and there were other clear MCU references throughout
@ yes ik this. The Netflix shows always made references to the MCU, but the MCU never mentioned stuff that was going on in the Netflix shows. Like an example is in Jessica Jones when Jessica is talking about a giant green monster, obviously referencing to the Hulk.
The daredevil show is 100% canon to the MCU, they canonised it around the same time echo came out. Also I think your point at 5:59 about the violence/tone, yeah I think this was the best time to bring Daredevil back as Marvel studios has finally opened the door to the MCU having R-rated content and characters be apart of the universe thanks to the existence of Deadpool and Wolverine. DAMN IT FEELS GOOD TO BE A DAREDEVIL FAN. Also screw the polls, you need to have Jenn experience the punisher show, especially before Daredevil born again comes out.
So good seeing the return of the Daredevil crew fter all this time, I hope they can keep all the other great elements from the original show, like the really solid writing and chef's kiss fight choreography. If it's a completely different show wearing the skin of the characters we fell in love with... I will be sad.
The villain is Muse, Jen will LOVE him so much. Muse is an ultra sadistic violent person who makes art of his killings, often using his victims to do so in...creative gory ways. Jen's excited for the violence, Muse is the most violent Daredevil nemesis hands down.
You guys don't need to see the Echo show, just know during the blip Fisk became a free man and at the end of Echo he decides to run for mayor. Maybe they will fill in more gaps though.
It's HILARIOUS to me that people thought Daredevil Born Again would be anything other than R, or that the Blade movie is somehow cancelled, when the reality is that they just BLEW OFF THE ROOF with Deadpool & Wolverine being over the top hard R, and that gave Disney the greenlight to goo all-out with Daredevil, and go back and rework Blade to pulls ZERO punches and go as bloody and gorey as a movie about slaughtering blood-drinking vampires SHOULD be. D&W was just the first drop in the bucket. NOW is when we get Daredevil, Punisher, Jessica Jones, Ghost Rider, Blade, Mephisto, etc etc etc. The MCU is only going to get darker and more violent as it goes and starts expanding into the twisted parts.
Two white masked characters, one is one of the villains named Muse and the other is a hero named White Tiger, I think they should have used the white eyes treatment for white tiger.
I think you’re just. Confusing Jen 😂 all she needs to know is that it’s canon now. It’s a continuation. It’s irrelevant whether it was at first or not , it just is now
I'm so happy they took the time and went back to the writing room for this one, the leaks for the "original" version wasn't great... but this is good, very good. This IS season 4! Time for the Punisher series right away!
Want to give a quick R.I.P. to Kamar de los Reyes. He unfortunately passed away only a month after filming his scenes. He will be portraying the character White Tiger
The story behind this show's production is insane to me, originally they were trying to go away from feeling like the Netflix show and being a soft reboot, they had a different actress as Vanessa, Foggy and Karen weren't in the show and were killed off screen, Matt wasn't going to wear the suit until like midway through Ep 5 and then half way through filming they scrapped everything, fired all the writers and directors, fired New Vanessa and started completely from new with the original cast, with a new story and new scripts, new writers, new directors, new everything and are now leaning into that it's a direct continuation of the original show and want it to feel like it, they did a complete 180
It is pretty crazy and i hope we find out exactly what happened one day, but since it’s Disney they probably don’t want intimate bts details like that being made public
@TheSonicBros1 From what leakers have said, Mid way through filming Feige cancelled the entire project and called for them to restart with brand new everything, he hated everything about the show and realised if they're going to do Daredevil with Charlie Cox as Daredevil with Vincent D'Onofrio as Wilson Fisk then it needs to be like the original show and they basically need to make Daredevil Season 4 which is what this show will be
I was wary after Disney took over but now am very excited for the result after seeing this trailer, let's goo! Also, come on members, pick punisher next poll. Jen deserves it.
You guys should do poll shows but have at least one show that you guys want to watch yourselves! Also Echo helps bridge the gap with how Kingpin becomes Mayor
They were doing a soft reboot with just the actors of Matt and Fisk but after filming 4 episodes they said “you know what? Scrap that”. They rewrote the script and brought the entire cast back and made it so all the Netflix shows are part of the mcu
the netflix shows are canon to Disney now. the Disney versions of these "super" characters are going to be slightly powered up to fit with the MCU proper power levels. (if you remember how strong Kingpin was in Hawkeye, expect that much more power, ESPECIALLY coz Disney is high on making DD an Avenger) Disney IS planning on bringing Jessica, Luke and I think even Iron Fist in, the Netflix versions. The reshoots were decided from Feige or his #2 after visiting set and watching production, when it WAS a soft reboot. they witnessed that the scenes were just very boring, at the time they were filming many more episodes. they restarted from square one, cut down episode count, and decided to make it a Netflix continuation w/ same characters. Vanessa had been recast but they were able to get OG Vanessa for the redo. My film school bro Aaron Moorehead & his partner Justin Benson were brought in to direct. They're very very great young scifi/cosmic horror filmmakers who did Loki season 2 and some incredible indie movies, very lovely guys, so it should be incredibly well directed. I would be surprised if they don't direct an Avengers movie pretty soon, or another major MCU film.
1. Screw the polls! Jen needs to see The Punisher before this drops!
2. The villain you're asking about is Muse
3. The idea is that this was SUPPOSED to be a soft reboot, this was going to effectively be a season 1 with Charlie Cox as a variant of the Netflix version. But there were test screenings that got poor responses from people so the reshoots lead to them doing what they could to make this Season 4 and bring it all into the MCU.
Not only test screenings with people, Kevin Feige himself was dissapointed (which I would argue is proof that since Endgame he give the control to other people) and asked for an overhaul.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 kevin doesnt want netflix to top it for sure and he 100% is cooking
Agreed. Definitely need to watch the punisher
They'll end up watching it after either way. Season comes out in March. Punisher has 2 13 episode seasons.
There were no test screenings. All Kevin did is review the footage for him and the executives during the strikes
LET JEN WATCH PUNISHER ALREADY!!! ✊
Please!!!!!
PLEASE!
eh overall it's meh at best counting both seasons
@@tonybeltran43661 is great, 2 is less great lol
hear-hear! i second this motion!
It's the same Daredevil. The show is canon, Holden. It's confirmed.
It’s a soft reboot so most of the events that happened would have happened but some may not.
@The_DoodleGuy no it is not. there is zero dispute. daredevil is 100% canon.
@The_DoodleGuy It's not a soft reboot dude. It's a direct sequel. I don't know why people keep arguing this.
@The_DoodleGuyIt’s not a soft reboot, it’s a straight up season 4
How is it the same timeline if Karen Page and Vanessa is dead in the Netflix show? Unless they retconned some of the story.
I vote for an executive decision to let Jen watch at least the first season of Punisher!
I second that decision.
Season 1 is really all you need. Season 2 felt pointless unfortunately
Season 2 was terrible
Keep in mind Holden it's been years since the events of Season 3. Since then, Kingpin has been in Hawkeye and Echo before this. Matt showed up in No Way Home and She-Hulk. They're touching back to the original continuity but they're adding years between when we last saw these characters in the Netflix shows so not everyone is in the same place as where season 3 left off. It's like catching up with old friends.
The villain with the mask is Muse, he first appeared in the comics in 2016. The girl with Matt is Heather Glenn, he dates her in the Born Again comics. This is set in the MCU but it's essentially season 4. The trailer shows the helmet for the suit he wore in She Hulk, it showed the advertisement for the Rogers play from Hawkeye. Kingpin was set up to be the Mayor at the end of Echo. I think Karen and Foggy will be the reason he suits up again, for vengeance retribution.
They better not kill Karen and/or Foggy, but I'm honestly starting to believe they'll kill Foggy off and Karen will leave.
I think Foggy death is going to happen early on and that gets Matt to suit up again. The original plan was to kill them both offscreen so it’s very much on the table. They both dodged death in season 3. I think Bullseye will get foggy this time. You could be right about Karen. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they both die.
@@kicknowledgesmith8608I kinda want Karen to be able to handle herself she learns to fight but doesn’t become a hero or anything like that she can just handle herself in a fight maybe something happens to foggy and she changes.
They don’t know what to do with Karen at this point her and Matt never officially happened. They tried to force it and it didn’t work they bought in Elektra and had him hooking up with Claire then had him hook up with She Hulk now they brought in Heather Glenn. They tried to force her with Frank and it went nowhere. They will probably kill her off or she just moves on and get written out. Season 2 was already announced I’d be shocked if she’s still around for that
Fisk is in "Echo". Your questions might be answered in it.
To answer Jen’s question, YES this is the same universe. It’s been confirmed. Essentially season 4, just a time jump their time
Echo's post credit scene kinda explains how Fisk from Daredevil s3 is able to run for mayor, basically New York is in shambles and they don't want your traditional political candidate as Mayor, they want a fighter and an outsider
Shoot I didn’t know Echo had an end credit scene.
To be fair, life imitates art lol
Lets hope he sees this😂
I’m so excited for all the little MCU references. That Times Square shot had a Rogers: The Musical ad and a billboard from Pym and Dyne wishing everyone a Happy New Year. I’m really looking forward to seeing how Fisk becoming Mayor will impact the larger universe. Naturally, Spider-Man has to get involved at some point, right?
Daredevil and Spider-Man are pretty much the only traditional heroes in the MCU with secret identities, so a crossover between them would be amazing. Hopefully, this series drops some hints about it happening down the line. Fisk becoming the Mayor of New York already sets up ALOT moving forward for heroes based in the city. Daredevil, and a Spider-Man crossover would break the internet.
All of the Netflix shows were officially made canon after Echo came out.
This is the same Matt and Kingpin from previous MCU appearances and the Netflix shows
Only good thing that came out of that blunder, Echo is terrible (and it's upsetting, the actor for Echo is great).
@@ivanagustinortiz5237I personally enjoyed echo but have read the comics so can’t compare
*haven’t
@@ivanagustinortiz5237While I understand, to each their own
Echo established kingpin becoming mayor
“I was raised to believe in grace… but I was also raised to believe in retribution”. As a Christian myself, this line hits HARD 🔥🥶
Also just gotta say, people are NOT ready for Muse lol. His comic history is pretty brief overall but the impact he leaves in Daredevil mythos I’d argue is fairly significant. This show is loosely adapting a recent story called Devil’s Reign in certain aspects, and that’s one of my favorite Daredevil stories of the last couple decades. I’m beyond excited for this show. The Daredevil character means so much to me I can’t wait
From what I understand, their original plans for the series weren’t working so they ended up going with the original season 4 pitch for Netflix and brought back a lot of the original cast.
@Slimysnotnose I don't think this is the original pitch for Netflix's S4 however when the original idea wasn't working they fired the entire writing team and the new team included people who worked on the original Netflix shows including Daredevil and Punisher so there might have been some stuff that carried over
@@Keiran714 Exactly. Some of the original concepts for Netflix Daredevil season 4 was to have Leland Owlsley's son, Lee Owlsley, become the new primary villain of the show, Bullseye returning, introducing Typhoid Mary, and have Melvin Potter become the Gladiator. Also, I'm sure they were going to have Daredevil and Punisher team up again and start to adapt elements of the Ed Brubaker and Charles Soule runs.
@@SpFlash1523 Typhoid Mary was on Iron Fist S2 so that could've been cool to see, another tie in with a Defender show.
Imagine being the egotistical shit head who said "let's not use the original team from the Netflix show and make certain this has zero connection to the old show"
How fat is your head that you essentially refuse to admit what works indeed works. Glad they reversed those calls but the 8ssue is "WHY WERE THOSE CALLS EVER MADE"
SCREW THE POLLS! Jen would love THE PUNISHER!!!
In the comics, Fisk became mayor and he and Matt teamed up to fight. Muse a character. you'll love because he is a very evil serial killer from the same mayor Fisk run.
Originally, it wasn't going to be a continuation of the Netflix series, but since the overhaul/re-shoots of the show everyone involved from the actors,writers,directors, and producers say that this is a direct continuation of the Netflix series
That’s good to know
I have watched you guys for about 3 years now from time to time, and it's funny seeing Jen being a nerd now. Like seeing how exciting jen was when she saw Daredevil and Fisk was really funny to me
Wilson Fisk appeared in Hawkeye, where he was shot by Echo. At the end of Echo, we see that he is running for mayor of New York City.
He has a very important part in Echo.
just to confirm, this is the same matt as the netflix shows, they have since confirmed all of the Netflix shows are canon, and all of them will return at some point, including Iron fist (tho he may just return as supporting character in luke cage)
The masked villain is called Muse. Debuted in the comics around 2016 during the Charles Soule Daredevil run. Muse is basically a deranged serial killer artist. In the comics, for example, he painted a large mural with the blood of over a hundred missing people.
With the punisher showing up in this, you might as well say forget the polls and just do
You have to keep in mind that there are a few years between season 3 and DDBA. So a lot of things might have already happened in between. And if you watched Echo, Fisk wanted to run for Mayor.
Villain y’all couldn’t name is Muse. He uses the blood.. and body parts.. of his victims to make art. Show’s gonna be gory!
It's the same daredevil and kingpin from the original show. All marvel netflix shows were racanonized when echo came out. Also, in timeline wise, born again takes place roughly 8-9 years after the events of season 3
Nice reactions, I really hope Jen gets to watch The Punsher someday.
5:15 Also The fact they have Muse as the Main Villain is very Insane. If you don’t know who Muse is, he’s a semi-super serial killer who uses the blood of his victims to paint murals, but also has an ability to appear invisible to Matt making him hard to detect with his senses. This makes Muse a challenging menace to Daredevil.
This is no longer a reboot. It's a sequel series. It IS the same Daredevil
Yep! As everyone is saying - SCREW ALL THE POLLS! Jen has to see The Punisher season 1 (at least) before March! Also make sure you watch one of the best trailers (imho) EVER, The Punisher trailer with action beats set to Metallica!
The definition of WE ARE BACK! 😈🤙🏼
Yeah, Jen *NEEDS* to see The Punisher. It’s a must
I personally think Fisk being out of prison and Matt no longer being Daredevil are both connected to the Blip. Like maybe because of how crazy things were after the snap Fisk was able to find a loophole and be released early, then maybe in his anger about that Matt accidentally killed someone and decided to hang up the suit.
One of my favorite things from Daredevil was the cathartic screaming and I'm glad that they're bringing it back and possibly relentless screaming LOL.
I am eagerly awaiting The Punisher S1/S2 reactions 😈
Alright guys, I strongly suggest that you guys watch Echo. She was actually in Hawkeye. The Kingpin has a big role in Echo but a small one in Hawkeye. Echo is only 5 episodes, so you guys can knock that out fast.
And it was a good show!
Its a season 4 while also being a mild reboot similar to how they are handling peace maker
Yall need to watch The Punisher and Echo before watching this! You mentioned that it keeps losing polls but yall have just watched what you wanted to watch regardless before so do it here! haha this is important! 🤣
It's not entirely unpleasant getting the notification for your reaction.
Echo fills in some gaps. Also, if you look in the background of the Fisk and Vanessa scene, you can see the "Rabbit in a Snowstorm" painting with all the blood over it that came onto it when Matt was absolutely beating the hell out of Fisk in 3x13, showing that that all still happened, meaning it's likely that the events are just a straight continuation. It has also been noted by many sources that it will be a continuation.
Just let Jen watch 'The Punisher' already. Forget the polls! Great show and we're all due for a re-watch before 'Born Again' drops...Holden Thomas Hardman
Apparently (according to leaks) the original plan was to kill Karen and Foggy off screen. Thankfully, that is not what they are doing.
It will probably just be on screen now and the reason for retribution, A line was crossed. We see the mask falling and there are ambulances in the background while he’s talking to Fisk.
No its not happening they re-wrote that out thank fucking god....one of them may die on screen tho.....
yeah its the same character things like the rabbit in the snowstorm splattered w blood and other stuff confirm that. The defenders shows are on the official mcu timeline on disney plus. This is season 4
The Netflix show is part of the MCU. In the first season, you can see a newspaper on Ben's desk showing the aftermath of the Battle of New York.
Yes! Watch Punisher right away!!
Echo kinda answers some Fisk questions.
Definitely, It would be fun watch Punisher before Daredevil comes out, especially if Jen has been wanting to see it and waiting for content purposes.
I loved when both Jen and Holden gasped at seeing Bullseye! XD That was definitely a great character surprise when the casting was confirmed!
Yes this is a continuation. Multiple actors have said it is just as violent if not more than the original series. At the end of Echo, he was watching the news and they were talking about the city wanting a new mayor who was different , and a fighter. These aren't variants, they are the same ones. New Rockstars in the breakdown for this has the quotes it is a continuation.
Honestly, for continuity comparison, you guys need to binge Punisher ASAP before this new Daredevil series releases. I'd even go to say, binge Echo and even Hawkeye as well to get better knowledge on this version of Fisk.
This is the same universe as the Netflix show. When they were originally making the show, it wasn’t connected to the Netflix series and it was gonna be its own thing set within the MCU but they realize that was a stupid thing so they made the Netflix shows Cannon into the overall MCU and completely rebranded this show and made it to where it is canon into both the OG Netflix series and the MCU
It’s still in the MCU but yes it’s essentially season 4
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 ik that’s what I’m trying to explain. I’m just trying to say that like when the show is announced it was announced as a soft reboot and that it wouldn’t be connected to the old Netflix show and that it was just gonna be a new thing in the MCU but then they realize that was stupid so then they decide to make not only this show came into the Netflix series, but make all of the Netflix shows Cannon to the MCU. So yes, it is season four just in the MCU.
Oh ok I understand, you are correct, my bad.
@@imisaiah06 The Netflix show, while not officially recognized as canon by Marvel Studios until recently, was always meant to be set in the MCU. The Battle of New York was the reason for the crime in season 1 and there were other clear MCU references throughout
@ yes ik this. The Netflix shows always made references to the MCU, but the MCU never mentioned stuff that was going on in the Netflix shows. Like an example is in Jessica Jones when Jessica is talking about a giant green monster, obviously referencing to the Hulk.
Happy New Year Holden and Jen🎉🎉
It is the Daredevil from original series. In the end of Echo we see Fisk thinking about running for a mayor
That Rorschach guy is Daredevil villain, Muse, a serial killer artist who kills his victims and paint them with their own blood.
The daredevil show is 100% canon to the MCU, they canonised it around the same time echo came out.
Also I think your point at 5:59 about the violence/tone, yeah I think this was the best time to bring Daredevil back as Marvel studios has finally opened the door to the MCU having R-rated content and characters be apart of the universe thanks to the existence of Deadpool and Wolverine. DAMN IT FEELS GOOD TO BE A DAREDEVIL FAN.
Also screw the polls, you need to have Jenn experience the punisher show, especially before Daredevil born again comes out.
Thats a good point. A publicly acknowledged and widely hated criminal could never believably run for office and win. Must be a variant
Wait i didn't even see this, so excited about this! I lost count how many times i rewatched the Netflix one 😅
So good seeing the return of the Daredevil crew fter all this time, I hope they can keep all the other great elements from the original show, like the really solid writing and chef's kiss fight choreography.
If it's a completely different show wearing the skin of the characters we fell in love with... I will be sad.
I'm really happy that Marvel listened to the fans and brought everyone back.
You need to both sit down and watch Punisher before this gets out lol
It is a yes or no answer. It definitively is a continuation and ALL THE Netflix stuff is now MCU canon. For better or worse. 😂
Imo loki is probably the only mcu show that is even renotely cimparable in quality to DD
The villain is Muse, Jen will LOVE him so much. Muse is an ultra sadistic violent person who makes art of his killings, often using his victims to do so in...creative gory ways. Jen's excited for the violence, Muse is the most violent Daredevil nemesis hands down.
Open up The Punisher!! ❤
The characters wearing white are White Tiger and Muse.
You guys don't need to see the Echo show, just know during the blip Fisk became a free man and at the end of Echo he decides to run for mayor. Maybe they will fill in more gaps though.
It’s been confirmed months ago that this takes place after the events of Daredevil Season 3 from Netflix.
It's HILARIOUS to me that people thought Daredevil Born Again would be anything other than R, or that the Blade movie is somehow cancelled, when the reality is that they just BLEW OFF THE ROOF with Deadpool & Wolverine being over the top hard R, and that gave Disney the greenlight to goo all-out with Daredevil, and go back and rework Blade to pulls ZERO punches and go as bloody and gorey as a movie about slaughtering blood-drinking vampires SHOULD be.
D&W was just the first drop in the bucket.
NOW is when we get Daredevil, Punisher, Jessica Jones, Ghost Rider, Blade, Mephisto, etc etc etc.
The MCU is only going to get darker and more violent as it goes and starts expanding into the twisted parts.
Two white masked characters, one is one of the villains named Muse and the other is a hero named White Tiger, I think they should have used the white eyes treatment for white tiger.
I think you’re just. Confusing Jen 😂 all she needs to know is that it’s canon now. It’s a continuation. It’s irrelevant whether it was at first or not , it just is now
I'm so happy they took the time and went back to the writing room for this one, the leaks for the "original" version wasn't great... but this is good, very good. This IS season 4!
Time for the Punisher series right away!
The silver helmet is for his armored suit.
The villains you saw were Muse and White Tiger
Daredevil did punisher more justice then it's own series to be honest.
Those are 2 different villains. One is Muse...check his whole story out...he's a serial killer artist. The second one is White Tiger
Nah they ain’t gonna calm down this for Disney +, Deadpool paved the way for this to be like the OG seasons
I’m sorry but forget everyone, let Jen watch The Punisher. It’s been too long😭😭
Want to give a quick R.I.P. to Kamar de los Reyes. He unfortunately passed away only a month after filming his scenes. He will be portraying the character White Tiger
The white suit with the black stripes is Marvel's White Tiger.
Wow this Daredevil trailer looks insane..
The story behind this show's production is insane to me, originally they were trying to go away from feeling like the Netflix show and being a soft reboot, they had a different actress as Vanessa, Foggy and Karen weren't in the show and were killed off screen, Matt wasn't going to wear the suit until like midway through Ep 5 and then half way through filming they scrapped everything, fired all the writers and directors, fired New Vanessa and started completely from new with the original cast, with a new story and new scripts, new writers, new directors, new everything and are now leaning into that it's a direct continuation of the original show and want it to feel like it, they did a complete 180
It is pretty crazy and i hope we find out exactly what happened one day, but since it’s Disney they probably don’t want intimate bts details like that being made public
@TheSonicBros1 From what leakers have said, Mid way through filming Feige cancelled the entire project and called for them to restart with brand new everything, he hated everything about the show and realised if they're going to do Daredevil with Charlie Cox as Daredevil with Vincent D'Onofrio as Wilson Fisk then it needs to be like the original show and they basically need to make Daredevil Season 4 which is what this show will be
Screw the polls: do Punisher!!
it’s all the same characters continued on. The reshoots were to add all our old characters from the Netflix show.
So hyped Daredevil is indeed back!
The new villian name is muse also the other characters in white name is white tiger
So you need Punisher to see this also Echo . So you have a built in excuse
You need Hawkeye to watch Echo lol. I haven’t seen Punisher, what does he have to do with Echo?
I was wary after Disney took over but now am very excited for the result after seeing this trailer, let's goo! Also, come on members, pick punisher next poll. Jen deserves it.
You guys should do poll shows but have at least one show that you guys want to watch yourselves! Also Echo helps bridge the gap with how Kingpin becomes Mayor
They were doing a soft reboot with just the actors of Matt and Fisk but after filming 4 episodes they said “you know what? Scrap that”. They rewrote the script and brought the entire cast back and made it so all the Netflix shows are part of the mcu
Looks like watching Punisher might be an executive decision to get caught up before March.
Can we please give Jen Punisher!?
A new vigilante will be joining the fight in this. He was briefly seen. Hector Ayala, the White Tiger.
he runs for mayor at the end of Echo
pls just watch Punisher without a poll. i would love to see your reactions
Among the surplus of comments already asking - LET JEN WATCH PUNISHER, SCREW THE POLLS THIS ONE TIME!!!!
The Echo show bridges a small gap with the Kingpin
the netflix shows are canon to Disney now.
the Disney versions of these "super" characters are going to be slightly powered up to fit with the MCU proper power levels. (if you remember how strong Kingpin was in Hawkeye, expect that much more power, ESPECIALLY coz Disney is high on making DD an Avenger)
Disney IS planning on bringing Jessica, Luke and I think even Iron Fist in, the Netflix versions.
The reshoots were decided from Feige or his #2 after visiting set and watching production, when it WAS a soft reboot. they witnessed that the scenes were just very boring, at the time they were filming many more episodes. they restarted from square one, cut down episode count, and decided to make it a Netflix continuation w/ same characters.
Vanessa had been recast but they were able to get OG Vanessa for the redo.
My film school bro Aaron Moorehead & his partner Justin Benson were brought in to direct. They're very very great young scifi/cosmic horror filmmakers who did Loki season 2 and some incredible indie movies, very lovely guys, so it should be incredibly well directed. I would be surprised if they don't direct an Avengers movie pretty soon, or another major MCU film.
"Now, will the King reign supreme, or will Devil get his due?"
The Punisher and The Daredevil were both great. This almost makes me want to get Disney+, almost.
About to go to bed (01:11am here) but I got this notification and had to watch it!
If you watch the Echo tv show (*ugh) it has 1 or 2 big Wilson Fisk developments after the end of Hawkeye that transitions story into this show!
There was both Muse and white tiger as the villains
it is the same daredevil, they backtracked on it all lol