Scrapyard Server: Fastest all-SSD NAS!

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    - Level1Techs (thanks Wendell!): / level1techs
    - ServeTheHome (thanks Patrick!): / servethehomevideo
    - Supermicro IPMI and BIOS updates with FreeDOS: www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/202...
    - Making quiet Noctua fans work with a Supermicro motherboard: www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/202...
    - MyElectronics 2U Mini ITX enclosure: www.myelectronics.nl/us/19-in...
    - Noctua NF-A8 PWM 80mm fan: amzn.to/3OmfRFo
    - Noctua NV-A6x25 PWM 60mm fan: amzn.to/3zj356b
    - Samsung QVO 8TB SATA SSD: amzn.to/3AXvJLs
    - CableCreation Blue thin SATA cables: amzn.to/3csaneJ
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    - Kioxia (Supermicro-labeled) XG6 SSD: www.microcenter.com/product/6...
    - Didion-Orf Recycling Inc (where I got the ECC RAM): www.didionorfrecycling.com/it...
    - TrueNAS Core: www.truenas.com/truenas-core/
    Contents:
    00:00 - 2.5 is not enough
    00:56 - Fast on a budget!
    01:30 - They made this possible
    02:11 - 80s MUSIC MONTAGE
    03:59 - 2U for Mini ITX
    04:50 - NVMe: too new?
    05:25 - Ask the Expert: NAS Edition
    07:34 - TrueNAS Setup
    08:36 - Can't get 10 gigs!?
    10:39 - Snapshots aren't backups
    11:31 - Energy use, fans, IPMI, and BIOS
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  • @mm8436
    @mm8436 2 ปีที่แล้ว +711

    Wendle, the tech support for tech support.

    • @sutekhxaos
      @sutekhxaos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      thats a good tag line...

    • @walterwhite2270
      @walterwhite2270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Wendle definitely knows his stuff

    • @unicodefox
      @unicodefox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That asks me, is there anything Wendell doesn't know?
      (also, Wendle, good name for Wordle but all IT terms?)

    • @NickF1227
      @NickF1227 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This

    • @ilovefunnyamv2nd
      @ilovefunnyamv2nd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@AZ-ze5xb yeah, he was in the room, off-camera ~ 7:24

  • @ServeTheHomeVideo
    @ServeTheHomeVideo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    This reminds me so much of the Intel Beverly Cove Intel Xeon D-1500 series development platform!

  • @klemmonade
    @klemmonade 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    7:34 EMOTIONAL DAMAGE

  • @HardwareHaven
    @HardwareHaven 2 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    I’m glad I’m not the only one that runs into very strange non-repeatable issues haha
    Great video, and even better montage music.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Haha yeah, I was thinking of you when I was working through that, I think you had just posted your video about that motherboard failure!
      I spent about 4 hours trying to get the performance to degrade like it had initially... I reinstalled everything and made sure everything was plugged in exactly the same... still nothing. So who knows what happened that first time!

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@JeffGeerling computers can just be weird sometimes haha
      Glad it’s working well for you!

    • @boam2943
      @boam2943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@JeffGeerling Couldn´t it be the initial resync. Mdadm does it after creating the 10 array. If you low level format one of the mirror drives (or replace it with a new blank one), you can probably duplicate it. Reinstalling the OS or moving drives around will not destroy the array so there is no resync from just that.

    • @firenado4295
      @firenado4295 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hey is Hardware haven out in the wild lol

    • @insu_na
      @insu_na 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You wouldn't dream of how many weird performance issues crop up due to faulty connectors or connections. But incredibly it's mostly performance issues, for some reason data loss is still often avoided, which is kinda miraculous imo

  • @cheeseburgerbeefcake
    @cheeseburgerbeefcake 2 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Fantastic video about doing this on a solid budget (aside from the from the SSDs!), considerations for power and noise levels are really important for the home user. My poor ol NAS is still running spinning rust and sitting in HP N54L microservers, TrueNAS has been excellent for just throw it in and it works - aside from refusing to boot the installed OS from some USB SSDs, but that could equally be the board.

    • @KS-wr8ub
      @KS-wr8ub 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Love those old HPs. I ran my N40L with 6x 3,5” HDDs and 1x 2,5” SSD for 10+ years, without a hiccup. Mind you I ran it with unRAID, but it ran perfect. Just replaced it as my main server because I wanted more bays, but I’ll keep using as a offsite backup server. Throw in a Pico PSU and swap case fan and it is a silent little bugger. 😍

  • @jamieknight326
    @jamieknight326 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video was really useful & enjoyable. It’s got a darn near perfect mix of showing and telling, with a narrative structure that makes sense.
    Integrating the ad read into the narrative was very slick.

  • @Matando
    @Matando 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    On the microcenter stores not having enough locations, I must say every time you mention going there whether sponsored or not I get so envious. I've been waiting very patiently for them to expand and open a store near me. I will quit my management job with Lowe's in a heartbeat to go work for them but even at that I'd love to just be able to walk into a store and buy these kinds of things. It an experience that just, sadly, doesn't really exist anymore.

    • @TheChrimboEffect
      @TheChrimboEffect 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      AHAHAHAHA you cant go , i think ill go this afternoon to both stores in my area just for spite . :)

    • @growtoups
      @growtoups 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@TheChrimboEffect bro why u acting like a kid.

    • @poot6365
      @poot6365 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheChrimboEffect if you were white you would have gone in his honor

  • @CharlieMartorelli
    @CharlieMartorelli 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great video as always. Thanks for including the Kill a Watt reading in you segment. I wish more people on TH-cam would measure this benchmark. I think it's important and is become more relevant as energy prices rise and the earth warms.

    • @stuartfury3390
      @stuartfury3390 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you were worried about the earth warming you wouldn't be bothering with home servers

  • @joelcohen4353
    @joelcohen4353 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I have Truenas running on pretty similar hardware - a Supermicro X9SCM-F and Xeon E3 1270 V2, for a very low (65 W) power consumption setup. Stable as a rock.

  • @ganniterix
    @ganniterix 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    With that music during the montage I half expected the 8bit guy to pop out :)

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      lol the whole time I was working on that I was like "8 bit guy... hmm I should probably retrobrite something here"

    • @btraker
      @btraker 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely sounds like an Anders Jensen piece, the guy who did a lot of music for 8-Bit Guy :)

    • @ganniterix
      @ganniterix 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JeffGeerling I used to run a 2x20 node cassandra clusters on a similar platform (ie anaemic CPU) to that mainboard (www.hpe.com/psnow/doc/c04760473.pdf?jumpid=in_lit-psnow-getpdf). Your video sent some cold shivers down my spine! 😀

  • @jeremyjedynak
    @jeremyjedynak 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Love the crossovers with Wendell @ L1T and Patrick @ STH.

  • @leopold7562
    @leopold7562 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You and I have very different ideas on what “scrapyard” means. I paid half this for my entire home lab. Which is now decommissioned, because it’s costing me this much in electricity…

  • @jsclayton
    @jsclayton 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That case looks amazing, excited for it to ship!

  • @ericfalkenberry2908
    @ericfalkenberry2908 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, Jeff! My next build is going to be something similar - Mini ITX and SSD RAID, but I may be using a RAID controller on the PCIe slot. Anyway, thanks for putting out this video.

  • @SurfSailKayak
    @SurfSailKayak 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice one Jeff! I run my nas off the same platform. Stable since the day I installed it. They're great! I should buy more :P

  • @derekp6636
    @derekp6636 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice build, been really happy with ZFS myself as well. Next up we will see a HDD version for your backup server ;).

  • @DE4DLY
    @DE4DLY 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    YOU HAVE to make more "montages" like this in the future, you really did well haha !

  • @martyb3783
    @martyb3783 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating video. I wish I had more time (and cash) to do stuff like this. Well done.

  • @HoboVibingToMusic
    @HoboVibingToMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "Scrapyard Server"
    Me: oh cool, I could maybe use thi-
    Jeff: 4250$
    Me: uhhh. Never mind XD

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hehe, well, drop in 1TB SSDs instead, and the price is well under $1000 for the same performance.

  • @rickycastro3210
    @rickycastro3210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    DUDE!!!!!! $4000 on SSD's? That is radically crazy! Awesome of course....but CRAZY! That is sick!

  • @sageosaka
    @sageosaka 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had a laugh at the "not ltt screwdriver" during the build montage haha

  • @SeverityOne
    @SeverityOne 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That reminds me, when I first connected a SCSI hard drive to my Amiga 500, and it managed a whopping 1 MB/s. Crazy speeds.
    Then there's the Yamaha EX5 synth, which manages maybe 2 MB/m (minute). That's crazy, too.

  • @p3chv0gel22
    @p3chv0gel22 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always love when i see someone have a microcenter sponsorship and the comments go nuts
    I honestly want Something like microcenter here in Germany. Going around and just look at Hardware seems really cool, but the best i have is our old Media Markt, where you are happy, if you see a GT730 in a thrashed Box

  • @patrickjoseph3412
    @patrickjoseph3412 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video, Mr. Geerling and Micro Center Please come to Arizona !!!!

  • @JosephFrietze
    @JosephFrietze 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Will I upgrade in the future?"
    Really?
    OF COURSE YOU WILL! You are a computer nerd!
    Great work on the project and the video.

  • @awesomearizona-dino
    @awesomearizona-dino 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ansible Fest 2019, Must been a wild time 🤣, But serially, Jeff you do awesome geek stuff. Thanks for sharing it.

  • @benjamintrathen6119
    @benjamintrathen6119 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice job Jeff, beautiful case!

  • @fredklapetzky2698
    @fredklapetzky2698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love Microcenter, have probably seen you in the Brentwood store. Really wished they had an Orlando, FL site this week when tech died while traveling…. Maybe they will listen to you and expand.

  • @numerounotg
    @numerounotg ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Thanks Jeff🙏

  • @diegodevops4151
    @diegodevops4151 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and nice tips for tweaking my Truenas settings.

  • @theangryintern
    @theangryintern ปีที่แล้ว

    Captions for the build montage are fantastic! "Incredible 80s vibes"

  • @Jango1989
    @Jango1989 ปีที่แล้ว

    Woo! Yay Wendel!
    Great little build. I love the power optimisation. Sad that that is so important these days.

  • @ShawnBird
    @ShawnBird 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video Jeff! It's so cool to see you take on more and more advanced challenges; you just keep learning

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's always fun to have a new challenge. Especially when it's something I'll be using day-to-day and not a one-off project!

  • @jjmcook
    @jjmcook 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The fact that you didn't have to run the full Uncle Roger clip to still get the full effect: mmm Chef's Kiss sir!

  • @nomadelog
    @nomadelog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That rack is becoming so awesome !

  • @mwmentor
    @mwmentor 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video - really interesting and a game I would like to play too... Not for video editing, but just to have data on tap, really fast. Thanks for sharing 👍😀

  • @muddyexport5639
    @muddyexport5639 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks! Excellent content. (I miss the outtakes at the end, however;~)

  • @eugeneware3296
    @eugeneware3296 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Full props for 80s montage music and the emotional damage clip!

  • @chloeleedow7250
    @chloeleedow7250 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As an avid sponsor block user love that you have timer in your sospmer
    Sponsored segment I didn't even want to skip it because I could see it count down form a mere ten seconds. I hope more content creators pinch this idea because it really made me resent it less and not mind hearing it. Great video as usual. Love this build would be a great plex build even since the ssds would last ages because I'm not witting huge amounts just incremental updates. 😊

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you appreciate it!
      I have been experimenting with how I do it. At minimum I want to always have some sort of overlay (usually top left) that says "Sponsored" during that portion. The countdown is handy for viewers to right-arrow through it. Some sponsors get shifty if I have it in but most are okay with it!

  • @mitchross2852
    @mitchross2852 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is great. Im about to do stripped mirrors also!

  • @dw7444
    @dw7444 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Looking at the motherboard manual it shows that the M.2 slot shares bandwidth with the SATA ports. It also appears that the SATA ports have two connections to the CPU... one of labeled as PCIe 3.0x1 and the other is labeled as SATA Gen3 but is likely also PCIe 3.0x1.
    This makes a lot of sense seeing your write tests max out at 700-800 MB/s on the SATA ports, since you're using a striped mirror you're writing double that plus overhead which puts you close to the limit of two PCIe 3.0 lanes... The HBA test seems to confirm this as well.
    Have you considered dropping in an inexpensive PCIe SATA controller instead of an HBA to avoid the cooling issues?
    It might also be worth trying RAID 5 since it would drastically reduce the write bandwidth, even an older Xeon like the D-1521 should do pretty well considering I used to get 200-300 MB/s out of an old Core 2 Duo and more than double that out of an i5-2500K while running Windows.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I might go with a 5-port SATA controller-some of them do get quite toasty too, though!
      I still like the striped mirror for the more simple writes, even though (as you and Wendell both point out, it should probably not be an issue up to 10 Gbps).

    • @wayland7150
      @wayland7150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am running TrueNAS Core from a pair of USB thumb drives in order to leave SATA ports free. Is there really any need to be using the M.2 slot if it steals bandwidth from the SATA? Might be worth a try.

    • @walterwhite2270
      @walterwhite2270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @D W on truenas you do not want to be using a hardware raid controller for the disk setups...best practice and reliability for the ZFS storage is not to use raid and let ZFS manage everything.....You can use the raid controller for the IO performance (if it gets you better than what you have onboard) but do not setup the disk in a raid within the controller.
      As you stated Jeff will get better performance with the striped mirror than just a raidz2. This is from the Truenas Hardware Guide about raid controllers:
      There are countless warnings against using hardware RAID cards with TrueNAS. ZFS and TrueNAS provide a built-in RAID that protects your data better than any hardware RAID card. You can use a hardware RAID card if it is all you have, but there are limitations. First and most importantly, do not use their RAID facility if your hardware RAID card supports HBA mode, also known as passthrough or JBOD mode (there is one caveat in the bullets below). When used, it allows it to perform indistinguishably from a standard HBA. If your RAID card does not have this mode, you can configure a RAID0 for every single disk in your system. While not the ideal setup, it works in a pinch. If repurposing hardware RAID cards with TrueNAS, be aware that some hardware RAID cards:
      Could mask disk serial number and S.M.A.R.T. health information
      Could perform slower than their HBA equivalents
      Could cause data loss if using a write cache with a dead battery backup unit (BBU))

    • @dw7444
      @dw7444 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@walterwhite2270
      My apologies for the misunderstanding Mr Heisenberg.
      I had suggested a SATA controller and not a RAID controller for those reasons as well as due to my own bad experiences with them over the years. I've been a big fan of software RAID for many years as I've had to recover far too many hardware RAID sets over the years. From the old 3ware cards that would drop multiple disks and require sending 3ware the metadata for the affected disks so they could modify it in order to force the disks back into the RAID set to all the failed motherboards with proprietary faux "hardware" raid controllers which customers were inevitably using without any backups... with the exception of enterprise class RAID controllers I generally avoid using hardware RAID.
      I guess I should have said RAIDZ instead of RAID5, but given their similarities I often refer to RAIDZ as RAID5 and RAIDZ2 as RAID6(I'm sure there's a hardcore ZFS folks out there losing their mind right about now). Funny thing is that I've been running ZFS for years, the only time I've lost data is when I've purposely deleted it. I setup cache and log devs on SSDs and run on a few SATA drives at home using an old workstation and never have any trouble. I tried the same thing with LVM and it worked great initially, but it turns out that LVM caching depends on dm-cache which was dropped from newer builds of Ubuntu for some reason and it rendered that system unbootable. Rather than go through the hassle of adding dm-cache back in I converted to ZFS and it's been trouble free ever since.

    • @wayland7150
      @wayland7150 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@walterwhite2270 If you're using a RAID card you may as well use it as a RAID card and make a one drive VDEV and tell TrueNAS to stop complaining.

  • @skyline8121
    @skyline8121 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Jeff, excellent idea to recycle server parts... can you do a full tutorial of true nas setup on that hardware, i will like to replicate it with a smaller budget in the ssd department.

  • @oakfig
    @oakfig 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We love your videos Jeff!

  • @scottdcarter
    @scottdcarter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love that the CC show "incredible 80s vibes"

  • @tractorman7733
    @tractorman7733 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:29- I agree; I would love to go to one of their stores, but the closest one is several hours away

  • @siberx4
    @siberx4 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keystone jacks in a rackmount case; brilliant! How have I not come across this before?!

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And so many of them :D
      Though the placement on the front isn't perfect, especially near the PSU. They're working on the design so keystone cables internally won't bump into anything!

  • @tyxeros
    @tyxeros 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    A few recommendations and info. You can replace the Delta cpu fan with a Noctua. I know that the Delta is a little noisy. Also I have Qnap TS-453d with 10G sfp+ card(The pcie slot is 2.0 x2) and 4 x 4TB Sandisk Ultra 3D, so in raid 10 i get 650-680mb/sec sustain reads/writes. And the consumption in idle is only 12 watt, during write 28watt and reading 16 watt. Measured on the wall socket.

    • @Manguitom
      @Manguitom 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      May I ask if you sticked with QTS? I'm thinking of switching over to TrueNAS, last time, I tried booting Scale from USB and I couldn't get the ethernet adapter working over 1Gbps

    • @tyxeros
      @tyxeros 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am sorry i don't know what is Scale. Although i used the the Qnap Nas above with the specific setup , for power efficiency, disk speed and its apps. I also have a TVS-873e for 2ndish backup so i am familiar with QTS. I have tried TrueNas (almost 2 years ago) on custom hardware but i find it a little too complex to use for my needs.

  • @whatthefunction9140
    @whatthefunction9140 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow this music is great. Hope you're happy with yourself

  • @gannas42
    @gannas42 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I converted an old Compellent SC8000-series array to a TrueNAS system. Not only is it faster with the same hardware but it has saved me power usage as well - allowing the controllers (Dell R810's) to run in a lower power consumption mode and reducing the number of disks I need to run to achieve the same capacity and disk performance footprint.

  • @ChrisgammaDE
    @ChrisgammaDE 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    All those small references absolutly cought me off guard. Greetings from the floor. My stomach hurts

  • @eliptikon
    @eliptikon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This solution is quite good and you can probably replicate all your data to an offsite backup or another home NAS with spinning rust.

  • @khyoyeon554
    @khyoyeon554 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wendell1Techs has a nice calming voice. We need more of him.

  • @Adamladd
    @Adamladd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I heard truenas and then talk to an expert and I was just waiting for Wendell to pop in

    • @sutekhxaos
      @sutekhxaos 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      its ALWAYS Wendell :D

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was Wendell All Along

  • @redslate
    @redslate 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really liking the QVOs so far.

  • @dannyvfilms
    @dannyvfilms 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching this makes me excited and veeeeery nervous about the Supermicro 847 build I want to do.

  • @brittherself
    @brittherself 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As soon as you said I wanted to talk to an expert I was like he called Wendell and then like clockwork there's Wendell

  • @ad5000donnell
    @ad5000donnell 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You aren’t kidding about more locations we only have two in Atlanta. I used to live on the south side and was almost impossible to drive up there with traffic.

  • @lucasew
    @lucasew ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can use the boot SSD or one of those nvme SSDs as a {write,read}ahead cache. ZFS support that. I think the ZFS name is L2ARC

  • @knomad666
    @knomad666 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh how I love me my 80's montages, mainly because of the choice music... I also love how you are rescuing otherwise would-be eWaste!

  • @Steamrick
    @Steamrick 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting setup. Personally my home server is running this hardware: Ryzen 5 3600 on Asrock Rack X570D4U with 96GB ECC UDIMM, 10Gbit SFP+ Mellanox ConnectX-3 and 3 SSDs
    This also idles at 44-45W of power (running Windows Server with 7 VMs up but idle) with all the advantages of a server-grade mainboard (including IPMI), but the R5 3600 (and compatibility up to R9 5950X) gives it much more power on tap - the power parity being why I bring it up.

  • @MrBlakBunny
    @MrBlakBunny 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "hey bud you drop it you buy it" "who do i look like, Linus?" Hold for canned laughter "but seriously don't drop it"

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      lol that employee was great, we did a few takes and he'd be a perfect foil.

  • @ProDigit80
    @ProDigit80 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jeff, you don't really need an SSD fan, if your PSU has a built in fan.
    Just utilize the PSU's ability to extract air, and let the cold air come in the SSD space to cool the drives.
    I hardly doubt they need cooling though. But if you want even more cooling, just remove the casing, and run the SSD boards bare.

  • @johannnn
    @johannnn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Could you make a video about building an affordable home server for Plex, docker and a bit of headroom for stuff like game servers. The emphasis should lay on power efficiency, since the energy prices in Germany are pretty high at the moment.
    That would be greatly appreciated.

  • @ph33lix
    @ph33lix ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the same motherboard from a cast-off Ubiquiti UAS-XG server. With updated BIOS, you can set that M.2 slot to be PCIE, which would then allow use (and boot) from NVMe (I have a WD Red 2TB NVME that's serving as edit pool).
    That would then also free up that orange SATA port for a 6th SATA SSD.
    The BIOS update also adds support for bifurcation of that single x16 slot so that you can fill up those expansion bays with NICs and the like.
    I'm currently experimenting around and may stick to TrueNAS Core as opposed to Scale since SMB share speeds are way better on the more mature Core software.

  • @Foiliagegaming
    @Foiliagegaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how the closed caption says "incredible 80s vibe". Can't argue with that

  • @social.media.command
    @social.media.command 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your report.

  • @ScottPlude
    @ScottPlude 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice setup!
    You weren't clear about accomplishing your backup goals but if you have the bandwidth, backblaze has great pricing and the "cloud sync" task built into truenas is really simple to set up. I use that combo on almost all my customers.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah; in this case I already have a setup where I back up from one NAS to another locally through a Raspberry Pi, then after that, it runs a weekly `rclone` script that syncs all the backups to an Amazon Glacier bucket.

    • @javaman2883
      @javaman2883 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wish I could use backblaze or similar for backup. Alas the fastest internet providers in my area provide either "gigabit" with 10mbit up, for cable, or 100mbit down 5 mbit up, for DSL.

  • @SudheeraPalihakkara
    @SudheeraPalihakkara 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Supermicro X9scm board and low RPM Noctua fans made me crazy with the random fan speed fluctuations when I built a similar system a year ago. Took me a good few days to realize that low RPM fans are an alien concept for server boards like this.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha yeah, they're like "less than 2000 rpm, what is wrong with that fan!?"

  • @joeg3950
    @joeg3950 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m jealous. Here in Montana, there are NO good retail establishments like Microcenter. Seattle and Denver: 12 hour drive. Salt Lake City: 8 hrs! This is tiring. Yes, we have the internet. However, we all know that it is a good thing to actually see the physical product.

  • @mikegrok
    @mikegrok 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Until your sponsor read with a map view I thought micro center was a UK business. The only business near me to source computer parts is Walmart and best buy. Next server I build may be worth an overnight in Atlanta to work out the kinks without a 3 day wait for parts, ie longer standoff screws, or 90 degree sata cables that bend the other way.

  • @at-boy
    @at-boy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should use a chunk of that nvme for ZIL and enable sync again that will make your writes way better and secure.
    Also take a look at Redfish module for Ansible for IPMI, you can automate everything.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah; I'm working on incorporating this server into my homelab Ansible playbooks. I didn't find anything simple on TrueNAS, but maybe I can manage certain aspects via SSH/FreeBSD directly. It would be cool if there were management APIs for TrueNAS Core itself.

  • @walterbkeen
    @walterbkeen 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, and couldn't agree more with you about your sponsor.
    Honolulu desperately needs a Microcenter.

  • @ScottJWaldron
    @ScottJWaldron 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neat video! Yep I'm so jealous of people that are super close to a Microcenter, hahah. Around 1.5 hr for me so not impossible at least. ;)

  • @rodrimora
    @rodrimora 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As I'm just researching the best setup for Truenas myself, couple of questions. When setting up the vdev, could't you just add the 4 and set them up then as mirror? I don't think it's necessary to make 2 vdevs? That's just a UX/UI question really. Also the 5th can be selected as a hot spare in Truenas
    And, would't a couple of 120GB cheapo ssd's (i got a couple for 15€ each on amazon) work as SLOG to avoid having to use Sync "disabled"?

  • @keesnuyt8365
    @keesnuyt8365 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    zfs is awesome and has been awesome for well over a decade.

  • @MrJordanSDean
    @MrJordanSDean 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice ltt screwdriver you're using there, good to see you finally got hold of one.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately not yet. I used a Snap-on, which is probably the main source of inspiration for the general look and feel of the LTT driver. Priced about the same too, so I've been using it to get a feel for the quality/drawbacks of a $70 ratcheting driver.

  • @paulwratt
    @paulwratt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fun Fact: the 2008 Cray XT3 had a Apple Macbook Pro build into the front panel. It did what all good Apple products should do, showed the spinning 3D logo, thats it, yep nothing else, not even email, not terminal frontend, not web browser, just spinning 3D logo :)

  • @SeeTheWholeTruth
    @SeeTheWholeTruth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want one of these for my wife the love of my life... She needs this. Never a more deserving person of tools for her trade and storage of her wondrous works of art for others. A publisher, of UNBELIEVABLE ability for others at barely living wage. And every single one.. a work of art making the world a better place. She works on such old hardware and is thankful, never a complaint to God. People who make content like yours, never realize the wonders that the human spirit can manage with the least of things, but you give them the tools to seek and use. Its a wonderful synergy. Thank you for sharing your work!

  • @kyoudaiken
    @kyoudaiken 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just bought an ASRock A520M-ITX/ac, an AMD Ryzen 5 5600G, 32Gigs of G.Skill Aegis 3200 CL16 RAM, installed Ubuntu Server 22.04 onto it, put in 4 Samsung SSD 870 EVO 4TB, made a RAID0 volume out of it, stuck a 10GBe ethernet card in that came with a former Motherboard I had, done. It's really fast and wasn't that expensive! And it has new parts, no risk of it just randomly breaking down. With a PICO PSU and a power brick with >80% efficiency, this thing only draws 16W at idle from the wall. Oh and it gives me 1.1 GB/s write and 1.1 GB/s read. ZFS is extremely slow by the way...

  • @weldonwilson
    @weldonwilson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +219

    Come on Jeff, your better than this. You don't need to start copying from Linus and dropping expensive equipment in every video. 😂

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Only the SSDs were expensive this time!
      Honestly I only need a few TB right now-I could've built this thing with four 1TB SSDs and kept the _total_ cost under $1k for a pretty darn good edit server!

    • @markconger8049
      @markconger8049 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think he already has the SSDs. The rest was chump change.

    • @weldonwilson
      @weldonwilson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Well, to be fair, the last thing I saw Linus drop wasn't that expensive either. It was the glass from a picture frame that somehow managed not to break when it bounced of the floor. 😄

    • @walterwhite2270
      @walterwhite2270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@weldonwilson now that is funny...got a link to that one?
      BTW - love watching your vids....always learn something when i do.....thx

    • @weldonwilson
      @weldonwilson 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@walterwhite2270 it's this one: th-cam.com/video/Jx9OL_lm7kk/w-d-xo.html Titled today's video was a disaster on the LTT channel

  • @Appri
    @Appri 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for convincing me to finally dump my ~16 2TB Intel Enterprise SSDs in my R720XD and setup the SSD NAS, although the network speed is probably more like 1 or 2 gigabit, it should be a lot better for backups and other fun projects I've got going on.

  • @davidquirk8097
    @davidquirk8097 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Because of recent rising energy costs I've reconfigured my NAS (running XigmaNAS) based on the way I normally use it, to auto shut down at 23:00hrs and only restart on demand (basic button push because I could get wake on LAN to work yet and the unit is next to my bench anyway). Not the most techie setup but the reduction in energy costs is small but noticeable in my low energy house.

  • @davidbronke5484
    @davidbronke5484 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    MicroCenter is one of the few things I miss from the US.

  • @lordrayven2086
    @lordrayven2086 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's been a while that i've see you into a project like this... keep us updated and a video how to do it walkthrough in this One... I would like to build One like that

  • @twistidclowns
    @twistidclowns 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For the amount of advertising I see from Microcenter you would think they had alot more locations.

  • @trevorunderwood
    @trevorunderwood 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love micro center, wish they had more locations!!!
    Edit: Just made it to the part of the video where he wishes they had more locations

  • @jonathanbuzzard1376
    @jonathanbuzzard1376 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For cooling you can probably replace the heatsink with a passive 2U heatsink. I have in a very similar setup and it only needs the airflow from the case fan for cooling. CPU temps maxed out at about 60-65°C depending on the room temperature and stay there even over several hours spinning all the cores. When it is sitting at idle it is around 40°C. I am also a big fan of using a standard 12V 4"x2" open frame PSU mounted inside a "standard" ATX/SFX/FlexATX etc. PSU case. It can then power the motherboard directly via the 4pin header (you should not be using both the 24 pin ATX and the 4 pin header at the same time) and derive the SDD power from the molex connector on the motherboard with a custom wiring harness that will really help with cooling. I am sure that red shirt Jeff could manage it 🙂

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Might try that at some point. I didn't even realize the 4-pin was a separate power source!

    • @jonathanbuzzard1376
      @jonathanbuzzard1376 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JeffGeerling The other advantage is that you can get >90% efficient open frame PSU's. I used an ECP180PS12 from XP Power. Gives 120W convection cooled or 180W forced with about ~93% efficiency at the load I used it at. Less power to pay for which is always good but even more important less heat to get rid of which is super important. I just gut the donor PSU and cut a bit of FR4 to match the PSU PCB and mount the 4"x2" PSU on the FR4 with some headers. The main downside is the price and it is a bit of work especially making up the wiring harness, however the results are worth it IMHO.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonathanbuzzard1376 The PSU is definitely the loudest part at this point (I stuck a Noctua 60mm on the 50mm mount with a bracket on the CPU cooler and now that's silent and still very cool). I might have to hack into it. At minimum, put a little Noctua with a duct on the front, and just run it at like 1500 rpm. The PSU is a 180W and doesn't need to put out more than 40W most of the time.

  • @Girz0r
    @Girz0r 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    VERY NICE, I LIKE!

  • @SteelHorseRider74
    @SteelHorseRider74 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd assume it had auto-tuned some setting when it saw the hba in the system - and kept that setup even after you removed the hba again.
    Interesting build btw! Thanks for sharing.

  • @chadchampion6773
    @chadchampion6773 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Scrapyard Server"
    immediately shows off $3k worth of SSD

  • @BenMitro
    @BenMitro 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love that case! Last time I looked at TrueNas (several years ago) it was problematic for me so I've been using ZFS on Ubuntu Server, but it looks like its time to have another look.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah honestly either choice is fine; I actually rebuilt the server with Debian 11 and automated it all with Ansible... but then went back to TrueNAS just for the ease of setup/UI. I might build a cockpit UI-based setup at some point (still automated with Ansible, though).

    • @BenMitro
      @BenMitro 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JeffGeerling The one gripe I have with cli ZFS is having to remember commands as I only need to use it several times a year. Worth a look again at TrueNas for me. Thanks for the feedback Jeff.

  • @rascalwind
    @rascalwind 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Geerling rocks!

  • @MarcoGPUtuber
    @MarcoGPUtuber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can we see Red Shirt Jeff do the next Micro Centre sponsored bit?
    YBIYBI

  • @jfkastner
    @jfkastner 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Performance is probably bus saturation, all SATA ports are directly connected to the SoC Xeon
    QLC it is for the 870 QVO, and the writes may be slow past the "turbowrite" cache (samsung lingo) - the previous model 860 QVO has sustained write speeds of only 160 MBps past cache, also looking at the writes it's rated for 360x capacity only
    (*edit) also possible the slow inconsistent write speed gets better once the drive has been used a bit (like 'conditioning') to weed out the weak cells

  • @CognosSquare
    @CognosSquare 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Content enjoyed!

  • @oscarcharliezulu
    @oscarcharliezulu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish we had microcenter in Australia.

  • @jens-digitalwoodwork9852
    @jens-digitalwoodwork9852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great case, i like to shrink my homelab rack and looking for a short case - that will fit great!

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is almost perfect for a Mini ITX build-they're making a few revisions to fix a few quirks I ran into. And they even have two mounts for 80mm fans on the front (one on each side) that I didn't notice until *after* I made the video, oops!

    • @jens-digitalwoodwork9852
      @jens-digitalwoodwork9852 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JeffGeerling i love the keystone-idea - great for custom/tinker-build :-) and they are a europe based company with fast and hopefully hasslefree delivery to germany :-)

  • @tad2021
    @tad2021 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I ran in to poor compatibility and some other similar issues with the onboard sata of the X10SDV. I quickly ditched it for a NAS build and went with a newer A2SDi-H-TF with onboard SAS HBA and an 8 core Atom C series CPU (which seems to have replace Xeon-D's low end).
    The X10SDV got used for a mini ESXi server with all NVMe storage since it has 16 lanes. The large number of PCI-E lanes on many of the old Xeon-D CPUs was nice, too bad most of the current gen SKUs are all capped at 16.

  • @tsionwilliamson1385
    @tsionwilliamson1385 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I too wish microcenter had more locations ive never seen one before or been in one i live in washington state

  • @nxvasix8696
    @nxvasix8696 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We used to have a ‘micro centre’ in the UK called maplins until they went bust a couple of years ago. I miss it.