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Best Soundgarden riff ever. PERIOD.
See the problem with Friedman amps is, that all the amps sound amazing. So you just end up wanting all of them.
Exactly, I bought the SmallBox 2 weeks ago and I liked it so much I started gassing for a Dirty Shirley, so I ordered one yesterday.
have a runt 20, have owned a JJ Jr. want to mod Runt to mini Smallbox or *gasp* mini Butterslax..... but now listening to the DS tones here, i want the Twin Sister as well.... ugh smh...
Word! As he said… full of kickasseration 🙌
Preach it! 🙌🏼
My BE50 dlx covers every ground I need it to
The amazing thing about the SmallBox and Friedman amps in general is that every dial is useful even at their extremes. Bass doesn't turn to sludge at 10. Treble doesn't turn to ice daggers & the gain at 10 is damn good. Most amps fart out when the gain is dimed. Really spectacular.
SO true. Amazing amps
That VH sound is so balls on I just cancelled and amp I ordered and decided to save up for this. Sounds amazing.
I Wasn't sure which one I wanted so I ended up just buying both. They are FANTASTIC and they honestly sound/feel different enough to make owning both totally worth it!
When I'm not playing my DS or BE100...I'm here...watching and listening, lol. I must always be listening to a Friedman amp, no matter what.
HAHA! Love it!
Man thank you for playing something that isn't 70s rock on the Dirty Shirley. Been trying to see how it sounds for other genres, sounds great. Thanks again!
Nothing to do with guitars or amps but i love the way that keyboard is integrated in the desk, just beautiful.
Two years ago I went for the Shirley! Every time I plug into this amp at the rehearsals room I get flashed from new by its great tone! It was the coolest Idea to take the fat sound and responding feel of a JTM45 and mix it with the agressive gain of a JCM800. My 2 favorite Amps in one headshell. With my Telly and my R8 the gain switch is standing on the highest gain stage, and I reduce the gain for rhythm sounds with a Mad Professor Underdrive! When I play my Stanford C30 Thinline (an absolute gorgeous made Gibson 330 copy), I use the lowest gain switch and push the amp with an MXR Micro Amp, and with my 60's Rebelrelic Strat again on the lowest gain switch pushing the Amp by a Kingtone Duellist! It really sounds gorgeous! Again, what a great amp!
Your demos are EXCELLENT. I have had a smallbox for a while but I've always thought about flipping it for a dirty Shirley; you showed me that I chose to buy and keep the right Friedman for me. Keep it up. The red Friedman t video and ds mini are righteous as well. Thanks for sharing brother!
I have both, DS with the gain switch and Wildwood version of the SB. This video is partially why. They are both insanely great amps.
At 10 you couldn't even tell it was there. It sounded just as good as it did on 2. Plus you have the best of the best guitars too. Nice gear!
Ha - the Smallbox makes Soundgarden sound like Black Sabbath. That's not a bad thing :)
I just bought the smallbox and I love it. I researched for quit some time and almost purchased a boogie, then I saw a review on the pt-20 and other Friedman amps. Wow! I've had this amp for a week and can't stop playing!
I love Boogies, and am currently playing through my buddies Trip Rec... However, when I can muster up tge cash... I'm definitely going with either a Friedman (not sure which yet.. they are all so amazingly badass) and/or a Supro Black Magic, or perhaps Dual Tone... Both Friedman's and the Supro reissues are such amazing tone monster amps.. wish I was rich, I'd own em all lol.
I'm still trying to determine if the SmallBox is the right amp for me, we don't have any local dealers that carry them so I have to go on videos alone. Would you say the SmallBox can do that 90's hard/alt rock? Think Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Stone Temple Pilots etc.
Every so often, I just gotta come back and watch this demo again just cuz it makes me smile! The tones are superb mang!
The small box tickles me in all the right places. I just have to get one. Just have to. There’s not a bad sound to be found.
Friedman are the best Amps on the market - PERIOD !! Dave has been around for a long time, knows what he is doing and has modified amps for all the big names in Guitarists for over 30 years. I want to like the EVH, and you have to admit, the price is very attractive for a high-gain head. The problem I have with them is the gain structure/quality. The gain sounds like 10,000 bees trapped in a jelly jar, and there isn't that clear-as-a-bell quality and punch ( like Richard Wallace commented here ) that Friedman amps possess. I forgot which company first coined the phrase - "The Tone you have in your head" , but certainly no amp company nails it like Friedman!
Damn, I was wanting the Smallbox next but that Dirty Shirley sound!
Dirty Shirley is my favorite amp I have ever owned.
Michael I gotta thank u...... This video is what really made me interested in the DS40....... Since buying it I have been in tonal nirvana........ I have never been so inspired musically by anything..... Every note, every chord just oozes Mojo n inspires me to play more, and has made me a better player overall....... Just such an inspiring piece of gear........ Thanks again
I don't get it ....103k views and only 26k subs. ... this guy is a BEAST... one of the best demos on TH-cam...such a humble excellent with no bullshit moves guy. Come on people.
Tele neck pickup on the Shirley... have mercy!
Immediate like for Limo Wreck
Hell yea! Best album ever to me!... Man he nailed Limo Wreck both in the playing and tone... He was right. That Dirty Shirley sounded exactly like the recording tone!
so awesome \m/
The Mini Dirty Shirley seems AMAZING! \m/
Very glad of this demo, sounds really clear and the riffs are accurate in terms of what we want to know and hear :) Thanks for using many guitars to check the sound
I've NEVER heard a bad sounding Friedman! And that red T style guitar w/ P90's!!!! DAMN!!!!!!!! EVERYTHING sounds AWESOME!!!!!
Dirty Shirley seems like a nice rock amp. Small Box seems amazing. I'd go for the Small Box.
superbford I did too went thru the taco to the Sb to the Sb limited. I love it. Love it. Best amp in my opinion and quiet. Takes pedals if u want a different dirt flavor thru the clean channel. Took yrs to get it. Many yrs of using very cheap gear but saved up. It was worth it.
awesome video!
which one do you prefer between the Dirty Shirley and The Dirty Shirley Mini? And why?
Is there a big difference regarding gain?
Thanks in advance!
What was you signal chain on these demos guitar - amp - ?? cabinet, DAW ? Did you do any post editing? Besides the bands you mentioned for which amp covers them the closest I play a lot of old 70s Skynyrd, ZZ Top along with 80s metal like Ratt, Ozzy, Motley Crüe, Kix the 90s weren't really my thing besides Sound Garden and Alice in Chains. If you had to choose between these two amps to cover all those bands which one would you pick?
Bogner 4x12, sm57 + R121, Api preamp, into Logic Pro. If 70's is more important to you, go DShirtly, if 80's is more important go SmallBox. The Small box has 2 channels, so that might be important.
thaks very much for soundgarden in an audio review!!!!!!!!! first time!
Great playing, great tone...Soundgarden Badmotorfinger is genius..Limowreck, standout cut...god that riff
The DS sounds so good! Its got that bottom end plus some great grit where as the small box has more warmth imo
Man, you should make a video showing your recording technique... I can't get that sound with my Smallbox!
Del Rei Rock I can’t get that gain out of the regular SB either. So I can with the SB limited. Now what? Utube compresses things making them sound like they have more gain. Don’t worry if we can play or not. We’ve been playing for years. And you?
@@uriteimwrong7317 LOL are you trying channel 2? There’s PLENTY of gain in the SB. His demo sounds just like my SmallBox.
Small B. wins....by far. More definition, way tighter bass.......both are great amps though. Cool cjannel, Thanks .M.N.
Depends..... For a single guitar band the extra size the dirty shirley has is the way to go...... I went in to buy a smallbox and when I played the dirty shirley 40 watt head I fell in love...... It was no contest for me..... Left with the Shirley and have been in tone heaven ever since
Smallbox sounds more compressed. Dirty Shirley must be for the more skilled. Lol. I appreciate ur vids, btw!!!
Crummy noodles over rice with some Friedman sauce...nice
Reasonably pleasant sounding devices.
Michael Nielsen, thanks for producing and publishing this video. I visited this video, because I do indeed have a Freidman small box--really like it. Question: I also compose and do production work for Film and various projects, and clients, and have decided to change my production desk. Yours looks somewhat similar to Danny Elfman's. Is it? Could you share with me (us) some details? ...and do you like the Doepfer? I have the Kawai VPC-1, which is a beast--figuratively and literally. Thanks!
Great video, as usual. Your DS mini video cost me $1499. I've had it for 8 months and still love it. How about a DS40 vs DS mini?
yes please! DS vs DS Mini! Mulling this over currently.
Agreed on both the video and the cost! Got mine yesterday WOWED best amp I’ve ever played... the vintage T video also cost me that one too!! Both fantastic investments
Tried both the Small Box and PT-20 at a store a couple of days ago. Amazing amps. At some point I shall open the wallet for one or the other. Believe the hype.
It was very hard for me to choose between these 2 in combo form in real life. I chose Small Box that day and still have it. Fantastic, even just to look at. But on another day, probably Dirty Shirley, for its huge voluptuous bottom and tube rectifier. Either way, it is a keeper of an amp. Dave Friedman designs absolute killers, and backs his product. That has been my experience..
Big problem with these smaller heads is that shared eq section. Somewhat inconvenient if you’re constantly going back and forth.
Hey brother, help me out here...
I heard something about Dave not building the amps anymore and a company by the name of Boutique Amp Distribution is building them now and the quality isn’t the same anymore???
Any advice or wisdom there that you could pass on? I was about to pull the trigger on the Small Box 50...
Ha ha Chris you are in luck I read your post... When I e-mail Friedman address only one person answers “Dave Friedman”. It’s amazing. I can’t think of any other well know brand where the guru answers the calls so to speak. I tried a SB combo with Celestion G12H-150 Redback at home along side a BE-50 deluxe head. I used the Redback in the SB combo for A/B tone comparison. A richer and yet more articulate/textured tone with soooo many more ways to shape the tone had me sold in the BE-50 but for one problem. The BE-50 has an ultra dry clean Buxom Betty channel. So I e-mail Friedman. Dave responded and said for a $300 up charge he would build me a BE-50 with channel 1 changed to a Plexi like the SB and BE-100. Dave put me in contact with one of his partners stores to process the transaction. I did have to pay up front, but it’s now 2 months later and funnily enough UPS have just sent me an out for delivery note today! Today is going to be fun and noisy :-)
So in summary yes Boutique Amp Distribution is.. well the distributor.. but Dave really is building these amps. He has signed and dated the back of my custom amp for me with a Sharpie ;-) and sent me picture of him with the amp as a keep sake. So e-mail Friedman on their basic address to get answers from the man himself. He’s busy and very short with his answers, but it is him alright 👍
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My favorite song off Fair Warning!
The lesson on "Hear About it Later" is worth the watch! Great tones, great playing man! Small box = any favorite Marshall. Dirty Shirley = any favorite high back-end headroom Fender, gain addressable to taste. Both indispensable. Thanks Michael.
great comment on a great video!!
The dirty shirly is a bit more modern voiced to my ears and missed the early VH tone entirely, but may handle some of the Van Hagar era stuff. Small box was as close as you can probably get to the real thing.
Holy Fuck! You came right out the gate with Soundgarden, that amp nails it!!!! 🧐
I'm sure they can both be dialed in for Soundgarden, but the Dirty shirley sounds like it was built for it.
Limo Wreck. Nice.
Wow both are amazing!!!!you went from Kim Thayil to EVH with changing guitars!!!!!!!MUST BE VERY EXPENSIVE,I'm gonna goggle it
Great demo! Great production as well... I'm a big fan of your work Michael, really digging your channel. How was it working with Philip Sayce? Big fan of his guitar plying and style as well.
Keep up the awesome work! Cheers!
Thanks for the demos wow!!! can i get similar tones with Freidman Combo amps ( like the DSmini combo ) ?or is the magic with have the head with the speaker seperate
You can get the tones either way, long story short.
A combo comes with a built in cab and speaker and notably is semi open back. It’s a great choice for a grab and go and really can do anything the head can do and more....because you can still use it with other cabs. But the head will be lighter to carry (Yet requires external cabs to play through).
If you don’t already have any cabs to play through I’d recommend a combo. If you have good cabs with good speakers then it’s tour choice. Honestly $200 more for a built in cab/speaker is a great deal. But it depends on your tastes and needs. Combo is 53lbs. Head is 33lbs for small box, similar for 40w DS.
I have the DS mini combo, which is a 10” speaker and combo is only 32lbs. I did replace the greenback for a 10” gold (alnico). But the stock speaker was great I just wanted the added power handling and I love alnico speakers. I’d definitely go combo on the 20w myself but again, can’t go wrong either way if you already have cabs.
This was the first video that sparked my interest in these amps. A couple years later I bought the ds 40 with the gain switch after long deliberation (I wanted to like the sb 50 better). I chose the ds 40. When I got the opportunity to play both I played the ds first and was mesmerized, the sound instantly was the sound in my head..... I then switched to smallbox. Awesome but fou d myself almost instantly missing the chewy feel n sound of shirley. After 30 minutes of a/b testing them I consistently found myself craving the dirty shirley..... It was like doing cocaine.... U just want more and more and u can't get enough! And eventually ur wallet will be empty!
My eyes opened the first time I strummed a chord on the DS... harmonic overtones aplenty and very organic sounding... Haven't pulled the trigger yet.. Thinking about DS 40. How's the headroom when playing clean live?
@@asianaxeman it depends on what structure you have selected and how loud the amp is. With Master dimed gain on 7 in highest gain stage I can still get my les paul to cleanup enough to pull off Jimi hendrix cleans (rock n roll cleans) with volume on 2 but at 1. 5 to 1.75 in c olume I can get clean but band has to quiet down (this is highest gain settings as well). So with two more modes employing even less gain you'll have plenty of clean head room..... If u want really loud crystal clear cleans you'll have to go in lo input lowest gain structure and keep master below 7 (really really freakin loud still) after 8 it just gets more saturated anyways..... So unless your playing everything dimed with really high output pickups you'll have no problem getting cleans.... I don't n I use the highest gain setting n play in a two guitar band vocal only PA during rehearsals n like I said. No issue with cleans
@@chanceterrill5346 thanks that's informative
@@asianaxeman no problem. Unless your playing with another guitarist with 100 watt marshall that has a center of attention addiction you'll be able to get cleans my man.
🤣 I love your videos Michael.... “I’m going to 10, I don’t even know what’s gonna happen..... oh what happens is it gets amazing” Priceless
The Hear About it Later is enough to sell anyone on the smallbox. Hell, for that matter the Limo Wreck enough to sell the Dirty Shirley.
Trying to decide on my next amp and opening with limo wreck made me lookup when Chris Cornell died. It will be 7 years tomorrow…
1:02 what is it?
Friedman-y
superb little amp!
Hey, man! Me, again...\O/
How would compare the High and Low input on DS? Do they have gain differences or just volume differences? Can you play ACDC or hard rock in Low input? How does it sound if you use the Low input with gain knob on max?
Can you use the Low input for rhythm and High for solos in a hard rock music?
Awesome man! It's so much fun to watch you have so much fun with these amps! I have a DS mini and it's a monster - I would love to grab a small box one of these days!
Love your reviews keep em coming! I’m looking to buy a Friedman Smallbox Combo, Most the reviews are on the head version. Was wondering if you played the combo and recommend it and how it sounds at lower bedroom playing volumes? Thanks!
Dude, this is awesome man!
Is the dirty shirley a an actual hand wired amp? No circuit board.
I think circuit board
@@BigHairyGuitars thanks
Hint: DS40+BE-OD = set for life
Thats exactly what I was wondering.... how do you set up your BE od? What does it sound like?? Thanks.
@@thesouthsideshovlerleonard13 I use a 3 loop pedal into the front of the DS (6 degrees gearbox) .. first loop is the BE-OD set up nasty .. second loop is an analogman nk275 red dot fuzz and the 3rd is a bonzai with a jhs minpog ..
Mine is one of the older ones so I bought the 3 way mod switch kit and a channel switcher from Dave (think it was like 109$ for both)
between the toggle switch and the channel switch.. there is nothing the DS cant handle ..
TBH tho, you cant go wrong with either of these amps..
+ 1 for "hear about it later" : )
Great Video, Both amps sound fantastic : )
how did you mic the cab? what is the mic? and cabinet?
AH! Yes. This was all done using a Mesa Oversized Recto Slant 4x12. Vintage 30 speakers. Some of the mic'ing changed up. I used 1 mic blend for the Soundgarden stuff, then a different blend for the VH stuff, then I changed it around again, and left it for all of the noodles and playthroughs. Shure SM57, Sennheiser 421, Audio Technica 4047
In my opinion , the Small box is not with the defined sound , I would have to modify it
Absolutely incredible uncompromised sound! Thank you so much for sharing, bro! Could you please tell us a bit more about your micing technique, if it's not a top secret, of course? ;)
Great demo. Love the Tele bridge tone into that amp! I take it not a lot of cleans from that DS? For that reason alone I’d lean SB.
what song was that at 10;40?
Mama Kin by Aerosmith.
Goddam that Tele neck pickup is killer. Great job
Great video man, I've enjoyed just about every demo I've seen on both amps! A quick question about your Les Paul, judging by the headstock logo it looks like an older one,in amazing condition I might add, what year is it? & I'd like to hear your opinion on good years vs. bad years when it comes to Gibsons, Les Pauls more frequently come up in this discussion & the topic is highly debatable, would just like to hear your thoughts. Thanks-James
love the dirty shirley best
LIMO WRECK!!! Love it!
hey thanks for your reviews i can't make my mind up lol small box combo or small box head 2x12 box review on this word be great cheers lee aussie
GREAT DEMO!!!!!!
Yeah love that Soundgarden song 😎. Smallbox is more in my kind of sound btw :)
Great video. Amazing sound and playing. Do you have by any chance tabs of what you are playing? Thanks
i cant decide on a dirty Shirley or pt wildwood or mini Cantrell
Hey, Michael! When you hear it alive, do you notice any big difference in volume when you switch from from the low input to the high input in DS? I'm asking that because from youtube I mainly noticed the gain difference. Would it be possible to use a A/B pedal and use the low input for rhythm and high input for solos?
Ah I love Limo Wreck... oh yeah and those amps sound good too
Just got the Runt 20...now I want to send it back to get the DS🙄
Hah! I bought a Runt 50, then I gassed for a SmallBox and sent the Runt back and ordered the SmallBox. Then, I loved the SB so much that I ended up also buying the DS40 2 weeks later. I haven't gassed for an amp since.
Sounds fantastic!
Thanks for taking the time to do these demos! It is TRULY appreciated! If stranded on a desert island, what would you choose, Small Box, DS, or Phil X Sig?
If I had to work while I was on the island, I would pick the Dirty Shirley because it's very versatile and has a unique vintage modernness. If I go to battle on the island, I would take the X because it's brutal and loud! If I just had a nice little hut, with no responsibilities and just got to play guitar for fun: Small Box.
or a Mini-Dirty Shirley if my hut was really small.
I don't see why dirty shirley would be more versatile than Smallbox, maybe because I have not much to do with the Soundgarden sound... or maybe it takes pedals better?
@@emreemre369 because it can cop fender Bassman tones jtm 45 tones jcm 800 tones and plexi tones with no pedals..... Even with 2 channels small box is all British flavored....... Dirty shirley bridges the gap of the pond
@@emreemre369 for example if you were in band that covered country through Alice in chains the dirty shirley could nail it all..... Smallbox is more firmly planted in the 80s and metal
sounds Killer!! What kind of speakers were you playing through? Or just Yamaha monitors?? thanks for the review
Mesa Recto Cab 4x12 with v30 speakers.
LW was nice. did SG use marshall though? thought they were MB players.
So are these two heads speakers as well?
love those amps! I got a dirty shirly 2 months ago, so impressed, the small box sounds great too, then there's the BE..... lmao,,,,, like the P90s, definatly on my next guitar,... any comments on p90s through the dirty shirly? no noise? you use a noise suppressor i would assume
Hi Michael, which amp stays longer clean? I like to have a enough clean headroom but can not choose which amp fits best!
Smallbox kinda wins by default because it has a CLEAN Channel. But the Dirty Shirley can get a lovely clean tone. It doesn't get AS clean as the Smallbox.
Of these two. Which do recommend. For some looking for. Jimi or frusciante cleans with guitar volume rolled back. Then rolling up to. (and most importantly) acdc angus tone. Then with a klon going to aic tone but. Most importantly which one is gonna nail acdc better?
Chance Terrill Smallbox for sure
@@BigHairyGuitars really the dirty shirley. Isn't as acdc as the smallbox?
@@BigHairyGuitars glad I didn't listen lol. My shirley nails bib album tone... Love my dirty gurl
dood! killer vid! I have a BE100 and love it, but man I really want a Dirty Shirley. one of these days..
Those are tone monsters! Great demos! Would have liked to have heard the telecaster through the small box. I really need to get one of those amps.
I feel the SM to be very compressed...the DS seems to be more open...
I thought I would like the SB better but really liked the low/mid complexity especially being a Strat player who uses a few pedals DS on my want list Maybe sell some stuff and get sooner
Awesome job. Interested to get your take on some modded amps one day if you get the opportunity. Thanks for sharing.
Great video man! Which one do you think gets a better Jimmy Page tone?
Demo's at stage volume are a nice change. Everyone demos with the Master on 1... Not that these amps sound bad on 1!!!
Luke Landis they sound great on 1! But like you said, nothing like hearing these demos at the volumes we play at!
Hi Michael, got a question for you: Would you pick Smallbox or BE-50 if you had to pick one ? It must be hard for you imagine a situation like that given your amp collection, but well... Also: you think Smallbox has enough gain for 80s shred-rock?
Emre Emre I’m a yr late but I just saw this. I had the SB and traded up to the limited. More more gain. It is my favorite amp. It’s also quiet for such a high gain amp. Takes dirt, fuzz, od pedals too. I have another amp that is good but will rename nameless. It’s good but I’m not crazy about the radio station I get. Now not everybody has this issue. It can be fixed easily with a part that costs about a dollar. I just haven’t fixed it yet. Really shouldn’t have to at that price. Anyway. Friedman for me all day long.
Also consider custom build. I ordered a BE-50 with Plexi channel 1 mod direct through David Friedman himself, Nov 2020. I just e-mailed the standard address to start a conversation with Dave Friedman himself. The tonal shaping possibilities on the BE-50 blew the SB out of the water for me. But so wanted the Plexi channel instead of Buxom Betty clean on the BE-50. The custom order cost me $300 up charge on the base price of the BE-50.
@@djt6546 very interested on this MOd too. I have a BE50 deluxe too and would like to have a clean switchable from buxom to Plexi 😊
Sounds amazing Michael, any chance you are going to profile these with the Kemper?
How did you record the amp signal? ISO cab? Torpedo? Straight up mic to cab? Awesome video.
Hi Von Shredster. Everything on my channel (thus far) has been straight up mic to cab. 57 + 121 into API or Overstayer mic amps.
Bogner 4x12
awesome thanks!
Great demo. I love my small box. It's a mojo machine. Out of curiosity, what cab were you playing through?
Hi Lukasz. Thanks! This was all done using a Mesa Oversized Recto Slant 4x12. Vintage 30 speakers. Some of the mic'ing changed up. I used 1 mic blend for the Soundgarden stuff, then a different blend for the VH stuff, then I changed it around again, and left it for all of the noodles and playthroughs. Shure SM57, Sennheiser 421, Audio Technica 4047
Cheers, sounds fantastic
Michael - Perfect timing for this demo. I am currently conflicted on whether to purchase the SB50 or DS. Which one do you think would be better for Hendrix type tone and playing? Thank you in advance!
Man that's a tough one. If you are gonna be staying with the low gain / clean tones, and use pedals, then maybe the DS. But, CH1 on the Small Box will get you there too. The Shirley will be a little sweeter, the Small Box will be a little rougher.
Michael - thanks for taking the time to answer my question. I really appreciate it. When A/B comparing the two in your video, it is my imagination that the high-gain SB50 channel B allows more of the guitar's organic sound to come through giving the SB50 a more vintage sound compared to high gain on the DS?