What Made the 2012 TMNT So Great | Series Retrospective (Part 2)
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For Part 2 of the 2012 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Retrospective, we will be tackling the merchandise of the 2012 Series and also the show's second season, all done completely without having seen it before!
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15:10 one thing I find interesting about that episode is how despite Ho Chan being a clear parody of Lo Pan from Big Trouble In Little China, how he’s still voiced by James Hong. It’s funny how he was totally cool with playing a parody of himself, same with Robert Englund in the Dream Beavers episode
John Kassir also voiced two of the Dream Beavers alongside Englund.
@@SerpentHashiraObanaiIguro yes, I know. But that isn’t necessarily a parody of The Crypt Keeper. Both were still hilarious as The Dream Beavers though
@@Jackattack359 Kassir and Englund both seem to be go-tos for guest VAs for horror-analogous villains. The former voiced Zombozo in the OG Ben 10 (before being succeeded by John DiMaggio in all subsequent appearances), and the latter voiced the Vulture in The Spectacular Spider-Man.
@@SerpentHashiraObanaiIguro Yes. That is exactly right. Jeffrey Combs from Re-Animator also voiced The Rat King in this show so there’s another example. If anything, both of Kassir’s Dream Beavers sound more like Zombozo than The Crypt Keeper (especially Dark Beaver). It just goes to show that once you play a soon to be iconic horror character, you’re pretty much set
@@Jackattack359 Even Tim Curry qualifies for this, considering his background in Rocky Horror Picture Show and It.
Raphael having a crack in his shell is one of the best character traits a writer could give him. I love how it's shaped like a thunder bolt and how it is not acknowledged until the show is near its end.
Leo's crack on shell in 2003 is better detail.
6:46 I first watched Pizza Face a couple of months ago at 1AM, and as an already sleep deprived college student, boy was that an experience. Please tell me I'm not the only one who felt like I was on drugs when I watched that.
If I had to guess the Leonardo/ Karai relationship was a nod to Luke Skywalker and princess Leia who also originally had a flirtatious relationship but were eventually revealed to be siblings. The 2012 series is filled to the brim with homages to 70s and 80s horror, science fiction, and martial arts films. Even the character designs are inspired by actors from the time period ( Chris Bradford/ chuck Norris, Xever/ Jim Kelly/ Hun/ Bruce Lee) and the list goes on and on as the series progresses. There is actually a list on one of the wiki pages with all the references and where the inspiration was taken which is really interesting. As for the structure of the show there was a bit of a conflict between the show runner and the network. Ciro Nieli wanted episodic storytelling but nickelodeon wanted stand alone episodes that could be aired out of order. There was a bit of a compromise in the end. A lot of the episodes that are stand alones often come into play in later episodes so I think they were doing the best they could under the limitations they had. Luckily most of the stand alone episodes are pretty entertaining on their own.
Season 2 is when this series really got good. One of my favorite seasons of the 2012 Turtles series.
Notice that both Greg cripes and Ashley Johnston always voice love interests? Apart from Kevin eleven and gwen tennison, most shows they voiced in were worked on by ciro, started with beast boy and tarra, and micky and the time sorceress are love interests in this show also chiro and jinmy from SRMTHFG
19:09 a decade ago a thought had enter the back of my brain, I once had a theory that Miwa and Karai were both one and the same and when the two part season 1 finale happened, my theory was proven to be correct that Miwa was kidnapped by Shredder and renamed Karai and was raised as his daughter.
As a six year old kid who would watch this week to week, I just thought it was cool and fun to watch. Watching this now some of the episodes are hard to watch just because you don’t need them but I remember loving the pizza face episode and the board game episode when I was a kid. It was fun and it appealed to the younger audiences
One of my favorite tmnt series i love it grew up with it watched every episode
Dude, I spent the entire week watching your 2003 retrospective videos and had just watched the first part of this retrospective when you uploaded this, what a coincidence! Love the in-depth behind-the-scenes research you do for these videos, keep up the good work!
That said, I wasn’t sure how to feel about the retrospective for this particular show because I dropped it for the same reason that you did: it didn’t grab me when it first aired. Donnie having a crush on April thing was a bit more of a dealbreaker for me because Don is my favorite turtle (especially in 2003) and I hated that what’s seemed like half his screen time was spent on his crush. The changes to Don’s personality was a bit off-putting to me. I get that he felt under-appreciated for all the work he does for his family, but his sarcastic nature felt jarring when I was so used to 2003 Don’s gentle personality. The humor for the show in general felt very mean-spirited, too, in a way that made it unwatchable to me, at the time.
I’m thinking of giving this show a chance given how popular it seems with the fans but honestly, I have a big problem with secondhand embarrassment so I’m not sure if I’ll ever manage to do that. I might be able to experience it through your retrospectives, though, so I’ll try to keep an open mind as I watch your videos (which I’m enjoying a lot!). Maybe someday I’ll end up finally watching it, too.
16:26 your predictions are on point (unfortunately )the story takes a pretty big halt for some horror movie homage filler episodes. Ex. Episode 1 is a reference to Jason Vorehess from friday the 13th. A later episode after the turtles return to new york is a reference to the SAW franchise etc.
At least half of the farmhouse episodes are good Tbf
I dont think turtles returning to new york was filler episode.It was more like main episode which the plot moved forward.
@@contra7631 The episode I mentioned happens after the turtles return to new York
Love karai in season 2 and the new take on her backstory
It’s genuinely my favorite story in the whole show, her reaction to seeing that full picture of yoshi and tang shen is genuinely one of the most striking images of the whole show. She had been staring at half a picture for her whole life, and she can’t believe that it’s actually true. Kelly Hu also does fantastic with her this season
I always loved shows that weren't afraid of having the main characters lose badly no matter their efforts, so this show not only reinvigorated my love for the franchise but solidified itself as the best TMNT incarnation (weird love shippings aside) to exists so far (never really connected with ROTTMNT) , im waiting to see the new Mutant Mayhem follow up movie to see if they become the new №1
Karai was made a love interest because Leorai is a popular ship in the TMNT fandom. The same goes for April and Donnie. These two relationship dynamics were not chosen on a whim. But the writers/creators fudge the former up when they decide to include the Miwa plotline despite the complications that the plotline would Intel.
So, in other words, they wanted their cake and eat it too?
@@johnnygyro2295 yep
Leo having a crush on someone at some point in the story seems to be a somewhat consistent trait of his character between this and the film (Outside of Rise). I actually don't have anything against the idea of shipping them, but in this continuity specifically, certain details makes it...uncomfortable to say the least.
@@leithaziz2716 True. And to be honest in my honest opinion if they were going to use the Miwa plotline for Karai, I'd think they could've introduced Lotus Blossom to replace Karai as Leo's love interest (or preferably just make her Leo's love interest from the start) since her and 87 Leo had canonical romantic tension.
Man, i wish these tmnt 2012 videos were 1 hour long, like your 2003 retrospective.
12:22 I swear hes like the boba fett of the series, cool at first, but then as time goes on he becomes more or less a joke, with a few redeeming qualities in the end. Well, most of the henchmen became an easy to overcome obstacles overtime as well.
This is the show that got me back into Ninja Turtles after the original series ended. There’s a charm about it I just can’t resist. Though I will admit they need to stop shipping the turtles with human women. Namely Leo/Korai and Donnie/April. Those were creepy
I forgot how good season two of 2012 TMNT was 😂
Y'Know
I Still Remember How I First Discovered TMNT
I Saw An Episode Of Fast Forward
Thought "What Are These Giant Cool Ninja Turtles!?"
Went To Buy A DVD
Ended Up Buying The 1987 Show Instead Cause I Didn't Know The Concept Of "Multiple Shows" Back Then
Didn't Like It As Much But Still Watched It
The Technodrone Gave Me Nightmares
Finally Saw The 2003 Series Via TH-cam Uploads
Watched The Animated TMNT Movie
Y'Know The One With Leo And Raph Fighting In The Rooftops
Played TMNT Games
NES
PS2
And Then Much Later
I Saw The 2012 TMNT Show
Never Saw Beyond Season 1 Cause Nickelodeon NEVER AIRED IT HERE
Then Much Later I Finally Wanted To See More Of The Show So I Binged All Seasons On .....Totally Non Pirated Means
And Loved It
Pixel Dan TMNT2012 reviews, man... nostalgia
Season 2 is where this show found its stride. Karai was my favorite character in this season and I didn't mind her interactions with Leo.
Well considering I just finished part 1; this was well timed!
For as cringe as the April & Donnie stuff was (and the triangle once Casey was introduced), I began to get SO annoyed with Leo in this season! This bled into Season 3 and the rest of the show as well BUT I don't wanna spoil anything for you.
Leo was always "Guys, we have to save Karai because she's my girl! I mean she's Master Splinter's daughter! We have to do it for him! Am I right?!" He would constantly put himself in reckless situations to either save her or as we see earlier in Season 2 (against Splinter's wishes) he went out of his way to try to tell her that Splinter was her dad.
When you really look at it, he was indirectly responsible for Karai's mutation. Don't get me wrong, Shredder was the one who concocted the entire plan which involved putting her right above a vat of mutagen in the first place. However, earlier in the episode was when Leo went into the evil lair to rescue Karai from her cell. That set in motion helmet head's plan which of course ended up with her mutating because if I remember correctly, HE was aiming for Leo's head but cut the chains holding his 'daughter' instead.
Leo would hate on Don's pal Metalhead, Mikey's friend Leatherhead (in Season 1 during his first episode where he was literally a raging animal) and Raph's old pal Spike/Slash (who to be fair did try to KILL the other 3 turtles in his first episode).
However, all of them combined would eventually do more GOOD for the turtles & New York compared to Karai!
Dude was a bad leader at times, but I can't lie; the way he took on Fishface, Razar & Tiger Claw before Shredder put him down in the finale was EPIC!
7:15-7:23 At least the episode gave us Rahzar which looks sick. Edit: 10:15-10:21 Dude there's an alien INVASION GOING ON
U don’t have to worry season 3 has a shitload of meaningful additions to the story
Yeah, this April is weird. I don’t want to say Mary Sue but yeah “oh she has Magic mind powers.” And the love triangle is so cringe and continues into S3.
You forgot the TMNT learning games for the leappad platinum
You sold me on this show. Im going to check it out!
I’m surprised u didn’t mention the fact that Aprils dad got mutated, again! Lol
april and donnie is best ship
14:07 That reveal of Karai being splinter's daughter really ruined the whole thing for me, man, I was actually into it right off the bat, but to see them constantly go back and forth on that afterwards stuff really gives me sour taste on my mouth. I hope the next iteration, does commit to what season 1 did without the plot twist. The twist in and of itself is really compelling stuff, but when it mangled with a dynamic such Leo and Karai's already developed relationship, that's when I think maybe the writers should've taken this twist in a different direction if they wanted to keep it in. But that's My Opinion.
4:16 was a childhood game for me lmao. Season 2 is my 3rd favorite season of the season. I love a lot of episodes this season but after episode 12 until 24 the season starts to lose me. 1-12 Have contains some pretty great character focused episodes. I actually love the Shellacne episode. Tiger Claw is cool for this season. I also find it kind of annoying how April's dad who was a crucial goal for the turtles in season 1 gets mutated, turned back, then mutated again. Part of me asks why they even turned him back in the first place. While I don't think Karai's character is as good as it was in season 1 (It's very close) but I liked the arc she had here as well. The finale though is the my favorite in the entire series. As you said it has a bunch of status quo changing moments that were shocking at the time it aired. Leo fighting off the Shredders army have to be my favorite moment from the entire show. Great video as always and I'm excited to see what you think of season 3.
wonder if he will do rise after 2012?
I grew up with the 87 toon and only recently watched through this series recently on Paramount +, but I think it's the best series.
203 is better than this
I think season 2 made me feel more hatred of this version shredder.
Can someone explain to me why new episodes of this show aired so much on Sunday around noon. I missed a lot of episodes just because I was in church.
Does anyone ever get annoyed that it feels like every version of the TMNT needs to find an excuse to introduce April?
It's the same problem I have with Harley Quinn now having to appear into almost every Batman/Joker related story even when she doesn't have to.
I like April but sometimes I do want to see a version of TMNT that is just the turtles without any human allies.
Also I feel the writers tried way to hard to keep April a relevant character in the 2012 show. They could have just made her a friend but instead they had to make a chosen one.
This video was uploaded at 14:00
14:59
I'm kinda put off by this version of the turtles. I saw the complete series at Walmart but always pass on it because i think about the stuff i wouldn't like about the show like its slow pace or filler or april being the chosen one or shipping. It being a modern take on the 80s show doesn't help much. I was born in 2001 but i would watch the first season of the 80s show recently. It's fine but definitely not for me. I wanna give this show a chance because your 2003 retrospective really did reignite my love for the 2003 show and made me a new turtles fan as a whole and i hope by the end of this retrospective i'll come to like it.
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Season 2 is a weird one for me. I didn't like Season 2 at first, then I liked it, then I disliked it again, and then I liked it again. And the worst part? I cannot discern why I disliked it before... I mean, especially now, I'd VASTLY watch Season 2 over Season 1 (which should be a good thing but sometimes, a show might have a better first season than a second season). It MIGHT be because of the "filler" (massive air quotes) episodes. Even now, I don't care for the pizza face episode. I'd probably enjoy it more if we got Xenomorphs-- I mean, Pizza Monsters like the 80s show... and I didn't even really WATCH the 80s show! I only know them because of TMNT: Turtles in TIme and Shredder's Revenge which has Pizza Monsters as enemies!
But I like Season 2... Even if Leo's voice got changed... and his voice will change AGAIN in Season 3 for good. I don't think it's worth explaining "why" this happened. If you know, you know.
In any case, I will DEFEND the Danger of the Ooze game. Even if most of my bias is because Jake Kaufman (Shantae, Shovel Knight) composed the soundtrack and I still enjoy listening to that game's soundtrack to this day. Then again, I also like listening to the soundtracks of TMNT 1-3 from the PS2 (TMNT 2K3, TMNT 2: Battle Nexus, TMNT 3: Mutant Nightmare) so I guess I just like TMNT soundtracks in general...when they're good. But Danger of the Ooze is good. Just not amazing, but it's definitely good. At least, in my opinion.
EDIT: Also, please don't spoil J on future episodes/seasons. T.T If you watched Part 1, you should know he's going in blind. Allow him to CONTINUE watching blind until the end.
This season has ine the worst episodes ( the micley acne one so bad I can't remember the name) and one of the best episodes rats among men ( the rat king episode, but I could be mixing up the tittle with the s1 rat King episode
Now I will warn you.Season 3 farm is good for character arc but plot will stay.Also third season has like biggest plothole in hole show.I will not tell you it because you woudnt be as angry and confused like I was as a kid.
I'm going to have to disagree with Karai's turn into a snake mutant. To me, that told me that the show was going to contrive new ways to repeat the same story arcs and separate her and Splinter as much as possible. It was a rut that this show was guilty for in the first three seasons.
Honestly season 3 started me off with disliking this series of tmnt
I understand and accept, but calling Slash and Destroy just another filler while technically true would've been a serious crime, just like Metalhead Rewired this was one of the most touching and breathtaking character centric episodes.
And more than that, Slash and Destroy is paced rather perfectly, I feel like even Leo chasing the girl with the mutagen balanced the tone to keep you invested in tension between Raph and Slash more
Yeah I agree 100%. Slash & Destroy is easily one of the darkest episodes (and probably the darkest until like Vengeance is Mine) and takes a deep dive into Raph. It’s also the first time where the turtles are almost completely beaten, but Raph’s victory over Slash is so good yet so bittersweet. The other Slash episode, Newtrilized, is much more of a filler imo, and it’s one of the weakest season 2 episodes so I’d much rather critique that one than something like Slash and Destroy.
@shanecorcoran2542 Newtralized could've worked much better if it didn't have Newtralizer at all and instead focused on Slash'es hatred and jealousy towards Casey looking at him like a cheap replacement. And in combination with Casey's ego it would've been much more interesting to see Slash and Casey try hunting for each other putting traps on the way while Raph tries to reason them giving Leo opportunity to tease him about "being in a responsible guy shoes".
If they wanted to bring back Newtralizer so badly they should've done a slight rehash of his plot in Danger of the Ooze game where he was traveling both on Earth and Dimension X for mutagen to complete his weapon. Sure, they technically did something like that in When Worlds Collide part 1, but he still would've been a bigger threat than in final version
@@ashesGeek yeah Newtralizer could have come back whenever they wanted him to, he could have honestly been in Into Dimension X if they wanted to. The Kraang could still be in Newtralized as the villain of the episode but yeah Newtralizer should have never been there, and Casey/Slash’s stories could have played out much better
This show was my introduction to Slash. I'd say his conflict with Raph and eventual growth would qualify for more than mere filler, even if it doesn't play into the main plot.
@@shanecorcoran2542agreed
Leo’s “last” stand against Shredder and his goons was so Good. Like Seth Green is my favorite VA of Leo but Dominic Catrambone’s Scream of Leo had hit so hard🔥
Also I really liked Leo And Karai’s dynamic. I liked their back and forth with each other
People need to give Dominic more praise for his Leo Fr, it got to a point where I enjoy his take more than Jason’s. Since honestly I don’t think Jason was ever gonna be able to hit the emotional moments Dominic hit in The Invasion. And that scream man, wish I could see myself watching that for the first time because I just know I got chills.
And yeah I love Leo and Karai’s dynamic in most of the series, taking out the weird romantic moments from seasons 4-5 it’s honestly a really well written dynamic
@shanecorcoran2542 I still wonder how the things would've turned out if Shinigami was introduced much earlier.
I know it's not that important to the plot and writers just toyed with such idea but what if 2012 Karai was actually a lesbian, it's just interesting to imagine how Shredder would've reacted to such news.
Sure, Karai did kiss Casey to poison him but Shini was the one who always called Karai "senpai", looking at how tomboy Karai is and how she basically stopped using charms after season 1 it feels realistic
I remember fangirling over Leo and Karai’s dynamic as a kid. It was like my first Batman and Catwoman experience. I still enjoy this show as an adult and its dynamic, but I feel a bit awkward and uncomfortable watching it sometimes. Considering the technically adopted sibling thing. There is no biological, legal, or even psychological relationship between the two of them as siblings since they grew up separate, but it's still easier to just ignore the uncomfortable details and enjoy the content.😅
Seth green always makes me think of Chris Griffin when i hear him
I think season 2 is probably my favorite for this show. I feel like it's when the story underwent the most change. Introducing stuff like Slash, April's growing power, Casey, Tiger Claw and Kairi's mutated form. All of these culminated in the finale which is probably the perfect way to end a season right next to Season 4.
Tiger Claw is awesome. He's such a badass.
@@leithaziz2716agreed. I hope to see him in future adaptations
@@leithaziz2716he really was
when I was a kid I was simping for kairi but also loved the leo and kairi dynamic
@@weetbear3341 I do but not the romantic aspect
One thing I really love is how hard the heroes lost in this show. I like when they're not afraid to let good guys rise and fall. The crew gets separated. Leo facing off the entire foot clan. Splinter being defeated. And new New York taken. It was glorious and really hard hitting
Yeah this series wasn’t the best at shipping looking back. But I think the Donnie and April thing isn’t intirely bad. Just like with raph anger issues and Mikey’s incompetence, Donnie getting over the crush takes a while, and thankfully he gets over it in season 3.
Sarcastic chorus has a good vid on this
Not a bad review, but there were things:
1. In this iteration, Slash is voiced by Corey Feldman who voiced Donatello in the first and third Ninja Turtle movies.
2. The cartoon that foreshadowed the events of every episode this season was called *phew* Super-Robo-Mecha-Force-Five-Team 5, a parody of Voltron and Voltes V, a long forgotten anime with the main hero, the princess, the nerd, the jock and a monkey piloting the super-robo-mecha. And contrary to what we were believed Space Heroes was a parody of Star Trek the Animated Series which aired in 1973. Voltes V, the show SRMFFTF is based on was made in 1977, so they're not just advancing the plot, they're advancing the cartoons that will lay out the plot.
3. April only has that grudge against the turtles for 5 episodes up until Casey tells her a story about a friend he had since second grade but after a freak accident during hockey finals his friend never spoke to him since with Casey repeating what Donnie told her: "Sometimes things are beyond our control."
Finally like Mikey from 2003, 2102 Mikey shines in the penultimate episode where the turtles have to save Leatherhead after receiving a distress signal from him. They order Mikey to stay put since he basically screws up stuff like wrecking the tape which had the final episode of SRMFFTF but Mikey heads into the portal which leads to Dimension X. While the other three turtles struggle with the physics of Dimension X Mikey had adapted to it easily using a slug as a grappling hook and using crystals that detonate when reacting to sound.
Also props to the writers for making a parody of Big Trouble in Little China, even going as far as getting the guy who played the main villain. Shame there was no guy who expanded his muscles to the point of exploding at the end.
Bro, when Irma revealed herself to be a Kraang, I literally went "WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT" for like a minute, that was a plot twist I REALLY didn't expect, and I was so happy that that had not been spoiled for me in any way, it genuinely shocked me.
When April decided to bring Irma to the Lair, I was like "Oh yay, Irma joins the team, just like in the 80s! :D"
Then she transformed, and I gasped and freaked out lol XD
When i first saw the Season 2 finale, I cried. Keep in mind, I was in elementary school at the time and saw the turtles as these heroes who can never lose. They were basically my idols. So seeing them lose to the Kraang and have to flee from New York broke me. Man, I wish this show didn't end. Thankfully, I have the whole show on DVD.
Realest asf, I didn’t cry but I was also in elementary school and I had never seen them lose so bad, it was a crushing blow
That finale was basically Avengers: Infinity War before Avengers: Infinity War
203 turtles did that
Holy shit I honestly thought that I was the only one who felt way🥹
You know what they say. A show is either great and ends or keeps on running forever. Let's be grateful for this masterpiece of a show we got. It is genuinely the most beautiful franchise I have ever seen and my entire childhood is surrounded by this show🥺🥺
Favourite tmnt series right here. Also i'm impressed that you didn't even have to talk about the 2012 intro last video. 2nd best tmnt intro after the 80s
He briefly mentioned how it's a remix of the OG, but nothing beyond that
2003 theme song is still #1 🔥
Dude the Turtles vs Tiger Claw fight in the slaughterhouse was one of if not my favorite fights in the series
Apparently the reason they mutated Dogpound into Rahzar was because the crew hated DogPound and wanted to kill him off.
That extra dose of Mutagen was mightier than a sword after all...
Plus, Clancy Brown's signature voice gives 2012 Rahzar legimitate _Grim Reaper_ vibes.
Dogpound was a really weird antagonist, he was just a big monster. Atleast Rahzar still have his rivalry with mickey
This season showed that Leonardo voice changed between near the end of season 2 to season 3. The focus of Some Orginal designs are pretty good and this series has some orginal characters
Dominic Catrambone: (S2 finale, The Invasion)
Seth Green: (first episode of S3, Within The Woods)
I actually liked the pizza face episode myself, it was fun even if it was filler.
I think when it comes to that stuff everyone's different, it certainly felt like pacing was off in season 2 for sure but wasn't the worst I'd sat through.
I know this show has some filler episodes. But unlike stuff like SU or SvTFOE, I really do enjoy a lot of the filler episodes. Reminds me a lot of Teen Titans or SRMTHFG's one-off episodes.
Man seeing Mikey interrogate that pizza slice was the highlight of the episode for me especially when he threatened to put him in the oven lol the animation on that scene was hilarious!
Also, just saw The Oval from last night; Sam is in some trouble now...
I honestly dont.The only filler episodes I kinda enjoyed was the farm house horror episodes thats all.Not this pizzaface.
Pizza Face is the only episode where I noticed an animation error in the show, a rather obvious one though.
At some point in the episode, Mikey's mask turns red for like a second/single shot as he, I think ducks to avoid an attack/thrown object.
There probably are more animation errors in the show, but none too obvious, this one was very "in your face" obvious though, so the creators were at least pretty good at not making a lot of errors.
Just thought that was interesting.
I found the Mazes and Mutants episode kinda similar to the Dungeons, Dungeons and more Dungeons episode from Gravity Falls.
And the Pizza Face episode to the Employee of the month episode from Teen Titans.
No spoilers for the third season, but screw that Bigfoot episode.
💀
And screw April O'Neil, attention seeking w**re!
The king of “episodes I skip on rewatch”
I like how the thumbnail is a remake of the thumbnail the second part of the 2003 Turtles retrospective have. Neat sorta connection
A comment I have about your nitpick with the filler episodes is that this is one of those shows that doesn't want to have every episode be plot progression. It balances out plot with episodes to develop the characters or just have some fun, so I wouldn't really say that the pacing is slow.
I’ll admit that the filler episodes he did call out are probably the weakest ones (except Pizza Face I always kinda thought it was fun), but yeah I agree. I really enjoy the pacing of this season since it feels like a lot of the filler episodes either create new cool characters or follow a plot that’s already there
honestly I have grown lately to share his opinion that fillers aren't necessarily a bad thing; nowadays many shows are so serialized that they end up wrapping their story way too fast and you barely get to enjoy them. Fillers allow you to get a bit more and can be used to expand in areas that aren't related to the main plot.
.... With that said, like everything else, overusing them can be a problem and cause things to drag. In my opinion, TMNT 2012 *usually* does a good balance, but in some areas they push it a bit.
I kinda was on board with Leo X Karai before the Miwa twist, they’re dynamic is like Batman and Catwoman but the fact they are half siblings but continued to flirt with each other made me resentful, now I see them better off having a platonic relationship.
I loved the fight between Leo and Tigerclaw at the end of this season. One of the best in the show.
Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on Seth Green as Leonardo from Season 3 onward.
How could you not mention that Crang Sub-prime(the one inside erma) was voiced by the Late, Great, Gilbert Godfreid?
_Gottfried._ And yes.
I would say this version of Slash is so much better than the 80's version. In the 80's version, he was another dumb comedic villain that has alot of worst treatments. Here, he's exactly what I expected as an turtle clone and how he stays true in the comics. Basically he's the Venom of TMNT. Started as an deadly villain, than turned into an anti-hero.
I’m glad you’re enjoying this show, it was the first TMNT show I ever watched
This is my favorite adaptation of TMNT and I’m so excited you’re finally doing a retrospective
pizza face was actually a real thing and mikey didn't dream him (just so you know)
I just wanna, say that fight in the subway with Ralph and Casey teaming up to take out that one foot bot blew my mind as a kid. The choreography, the use of environment, the fact that the chase goes on for so long. It’s just incredible.
Yeah, fans had a lot of problems with the Karai/Leo romance thing, given who Karai was later revealed to be. Many found it kinda creepy.
Personally the point where Karai got turned into a snake mutant was the point where I started having issues with the show. I had been enthusiastic about seeing Karai now with the turtles and discover the new dynamic, so this came up to me as a way from the writers to drag the Miwha arc further, which was frustrating to me.
shut the hell up bot
Fun fact: Corey Feldman auditioned for the role of Donatello in THIS series as well!
Tigger claw is the best original character, if not of this show then all the non comics, at least villian wise
i just wish there was a Christmas Special for TMNT 2012 show
The way I watched it was that I could barely tolerate Donnie's simp arc and so as soon as I got to Karai's introduction episode where they immediately started setting up Leo's crush on her I just had to drop it. I just can't deal with teenage romance shit, especially when it feels this forced. I really wanted to like TMNT '12 but that one aspect just ruined it for me :/
The poor, recent video game attempts really makes me hyped up by the annonced Last ronin tmnt game
One thing the show does good it’s for the villains to become a mutants. They usually show them before they were mutants in which she will see in season three with the rhino and the hog foot clan
I remember when I was a little kid and was absolutely shocked during the S2 finale. It was my first time seeing my heroes fail and the villains winning.
Literally word for word how I felt
15;11 isn't just a random filler episode. It's actually sort of a parody/homage to the 80s movie Big Trouble in Little China. This show is filled with Easter eggs from the 80s and 90s, which i think a lot of people that didn't grow up in that era, will notice or understand certain references or characters. Even the Leo being ambushed, thrown off a window, being unconscious and the escape from the city to a farm, is a reference to the 1990 TMNT Movie, when Ralph gets ambushed by the Foot, gets beat up badly by them, gets tossed off a glass ceiling, and the turtles barely escape with April and Casey in a Van, to April's family Farmhouse. And in season 3 you will see more references to the 1990's movie. it's also worth mention that the cartoons that they watch on each season, is based on a popular 80s cartoons & TV Shows
Leo and Kurai have always seemed like love interest . It’s weird hearing someone say they weren’t in the OG(2003) It was like “oh no my rivals daughter and my son have a bond. How will they depict a better version of me and shredder”
... Just so we are clear, when you say the "OG", do you mean the Mirage comics, the 80s show, or the 2003s show?
@@Theokal3 2003 shows sorry. That was my first exposure to turtl
Question: If you could give the original, the 2003, and the 2012 series subtitles to help make them stand out more what would you pick.
Also I'm not a big fan of Rise but I have to admit that it's title is great. I wish more people could appapireate the value of a good title and subtle so we could avoid the whole 'and' and one word titles.
This was the most violent cartoon ever
My favorite part of the season 2 finale was when Shredder had Splinter cornered, just for Leatherhead to burst through the wall behind Splinter, and take on Shredder.
I don't care what anybody says! I love 2012 Karai no matter what! She's my all-time favorite beautiful badass!
You seemingly forgot to mention that Leo got a new voice actor for last 8 episodes of this season, Dominic Catrambone. Then again, he gets another new voice actor at the start of season 3, so maybe you're saving it for then.
On another note, what are your thoughts on Mikey's new catchphrase in this show, "Booyakasha" (fun fact, Greg Cipes himself came up with it)?
i was introduced to the franchise with the 2012 show so "booyakasha" is my "cowabunga"
Between the heavy focus on April getting covered in sauce in the pizza face ep and the bondage/ass shots with her in the Stockman mutation episode, I give a looooot of side-eye to the artists of this show. I'm not gonna SAY it's fetish bait but... it still sorta feels like fetish bait. Also the weird sorta-incest stuff with Leo and Karai is still super weird to me. Idk if they aren't blood related/weren't raised together, just imagine being in Splinter's shoes and seeing your daughter and adoptive son flirting with each other. It's gross.
Maybe you are a kid thats why.You are over analyzing it.They did love interest with donnie and April.So the teenage boys can feel relatable with their love interest.And even though leo and karai romance wasnt necessary but they arent technically brother and sisters.Leo is mutant who was made by mutagen.Also they dont end up loving each other.So They arent technically lovers in this show.
The Footclan soldiers being robots is such a cool idea, it just really annoys me how they're shown to be such a big threat in their debut episode but their subsequent appearances makes them just as dumb as the original soldiers (Which as you said was supposed to be the human aspect) and also makes them cannon fodder. I get that at the end of the day that's all they're ever meant to be but it would have been cool for the turtles to find them difficult to beat, at least for the first season they're in. After that, yeah make them cannon fodder, but showing the turtles beating them easily after one single episode really annoys me. The same can be said for the Kraang bots. In the first episode they practically soloed the entire team but then they became so weak the turtles didn't even need to try...and that was at the end of that two parter.
Is the thumbnail a callback from your s2 of the 2003 tmnt video?
14:24 i think i know leo and other turtles real father is turtles in the forest not splitter splitter is just try to be like real father and look at karai karai with shredder but she real father is splinter that what show is going with that
Me still waiting for Netflix to Release Season 3 so I can Watch it on Netflix
Tiger Claw as a character felt like the 2003 Hun of TMNT 2012
Hun was actually introduced later in season 4 as a mercenary or something
@@RiceCooker-san I know but Tiger Claw character wise felt kinda similar to 2003 Hun since both of them are Shredder's most loyal henchmen and they also hate Karai and they both quitted the Foot later on in both series
Man U gotta take a look at the neca toy lines lol
Not mentioning Seth Green's terrible Leonardo voice is criminal
mikey and renet and shinigami is best ship
I will stand by this to my dying breath. TMNT: DOTO is one of the greatest tmnt games that has ever been released. It's so much fun and the sense of progression is amazing.
Also the OST goes way too hard like holy shit bro
Some people just live to be miserable…
10:11 Brock's flirting gag in a nutshell
raph and mona is best ship too
Also about Urma. I don't know if you noticed she I'd a parallel character to Velma from scoobydoo in look and voice. So it was kind of fitting they did am episode with a ghost