Nathan, I have fixed most of the "Snatchy throttle" issue with one simple 5 minute fix. On the clutch lever just at the back of the ABS switch you will find a simple two pin plug. This plug is designed to cut the fuel to the engine once the clutch lever is pressed, but in the 450MT's case its way too severe. Pull that plug out and simply make a short metal loop and place in the female side. I have used a small motorbike fuse and that works fine to complete the circuit. It's simple takes no time at all and it will make a huge difference to the slow speed issues of the bike. Here in New Zealand we have done three bike recently and all to great success so give it a go and let me know how you get on. Thanks. Peter.
I’ve loved your content on this bike. You’re so good at explaining the things that matter to a prospective rider. I’ve had my 450MT for 3 weeks now and have only done a couple of fire trail rides, but so far I’m very impressed. I’m keen to put some of those XT+ tyres on and then I can tackle some real off road conditions.
Looking forward to seeing your reviews in 2025 . Always genuine honest reviews with none of the click bait sponsored bull i usually come across on here.
2025 will be an epic time for small capacity adventure bikes.... Tuareg 457, BMW 460GS, KTM 390 ADV R.... the CF MOTO will have some serious competition. Good for everyone!
Absolutely, my 1200 scrambler is awesome but overkill for my daily use and intimidating to take on trails for the weekend. One of these 450cc would make much more sense.
Just bought one Nathan! Thanks for your great advice! I am 65, just retired, ridden road bikes since I was 16, never done any trail riding! My goal is to get some practice in and join you on a trip a some point. Keep up the good work!
I think corroded spokes can sometimes be harsh snow foams and traffic film remover. People think products that dissolve the mud quickly are doing a good job, but some products also attack platings.
I was lucky to get my 450mt in July 24, I have been careful to only add a new bash plate, some old stronger hand guards I had from a previous bike and I have added upper crash bars, but having seen how strong the plastics are from others bikes that have been in quite severe drops I may remove the crash bars. Taking the slack out of the throttle cables really does help reduce the snatch, and it doesn't take long to adjust your riding so as to forget about it. Coming from a Tenere I just don't miss the extra power, the 450 seems more like it has 60hp rather than 42. I love my 450 and it will be with me for many years.
I still do like that CFMoto, if they'd have been a few years older and second hand ones were out there I'd hve got one over the Himalayan. Great video and review as always, and congratulations on raising so much, I enjoyed the evening and the talks.
Good point about how CFMotot have reset the market with this bike. Suzuki did the same way back with the launch of the 600 and 1200 Bandit, they massively undercut the Yamaha XJR and Kawasaki ZRX resulting in the price of those being slashed by as much as 2 grand! It did great things for affordability of bikes from all manufacturers for years after. Lets hope they get the DRZ priced competitively?
Cracking real world balanced review gained by personal and customer / client experience. Great to have it as part of the stable for comparison with others at the price point. Roll on the 390 Adventure R release.. could be tempted to swap my 400X for one of Those.
Harsh throttles can also be helped by changing the cam profile on the hand throttle. Soften the shape of the cam where it initially starts pulling the cable can really smooth the initial response of the engine. Thats it it is a cable throttle and not electronic. If its electronic, then im guessing that it should be easy to adjust the programming of the throttle opening without affecting the fuel map.
Can’t comment on the 450mt bike , but have a CFMoto quad for rounding sheep up etc round the farm and it gets some hard use and so far been very reliable. Have to say I’m keen to try the bike as I’m thinking of getting a smaller more manageable motorcycle.
Great review 👍 There’s a vid on how to change your rear tire on the road where a lady manages to fit her own mitas e-07 …. I do believe she is a Valkyrie goddess though. Deffo a tyre shop for us mere mortals 😅
The engine sound is sublime. Not keen on snatchy throttles. They shouldn't exist. My KTM is like this. But, like you, I ride around it. Sticking the 390 Duke on the market, Nathan. I want a CL500. Nick
Nathan is the antidote to all the 'Dakar' wannabee so called tests on You Tube. 99% of these miss the point of the middle weight adventure bike concept. Stop watch tests? really...stick with it Nathan, I love to know how a bike works on UK trails, sub 20mph, and loaded up for slow , long distance rides. Worthy stuff. Hope to join you on the lanes in 2025...now where can I find a second hand 450MT.......
Spokes tarnishing is just normal and it’s OK. It’s just discolouration of the passivating coating. Just keep them clean and accept that it shows the passivating coating is working.
@@jimtitt3571 when i ordered my MT450 from Sunstate Motorcycles Sunshine coast their office white board had about every 1 in 5 bikes ordered an MT450...the phone rang while I was signing paperwork and it was an MT450 inquiry. I asked the staff and they said its now their number 1 selling bike and they said to me 45000 have been sold in Australia so far...How accurate that quote is i cant prove. Needles to say the MT450 is selling a lot.
I got my 450MT late last year and have only done about 800 miles so far. Every time I get on it I am 'shocked' how damn good it is for the money. I test rode the 450 Himalayan and that is a great bike. The Himi feels like it was carved from granite, it is so solid. The MT has a much lighter feel even though the bikes have a similar weight. Tubeless rims are standard on the MT and anyone who has had to change tubes a few times knows that can be a god send 🙂 I don't understand why Honda don't put tubeless rims on the Transalps, if they did I may of bought one !
Yes it's bizarre isn't it not fitting tubeless to bikes like the transalp which they market as more road based adventure machines. Same with vstrom 800de. I'd love to know if it's a cost decision or whether it's what they think the market wants
@@nathanthepostman A few years ago I got a rear puncture on a F800GS (tubed) when coming off a dual carriage way, and that was a little hairy!, with tubeless you do get a bit of warning.
@@smaca5250 yes the lack of tubeless wheels was the main reason I didn’t get the new transalp , and lots of things you would expect to come and the bike are now optional extras , despite having 2 previous transalps I went for the CF moto MT800 , loving it so far with 4K miles so far
A brilliant End of Year Review on the CF Moto 450MT, thank you Nathan. Can I ask you to let me know what the make and model of jack you are using under the bike and the make and model of torque wrench you are using, many thanks? 👍
Thanks William. I think the jack was just a generic scissor jack off eBay. The torque rench is one my dad had down the pit. Will be a British coal board special!
Brilliant video mate happy 2025, as a nx500 owner I agree, I think a lot comes down to usage case an being honest with yourself on how an what you are gonna ride also personal managability, an choosing the bike that fits with that weight wise. I’ve just sold my 1150gsa with the way my shoulder is an the reality of that, I couldn’t handle the weight most of the time, I’ll really miss it though had some amazing memories on it. lad who bought it moved it around like me moving a nx500. An ex gs trophy rider N rode it away in the snow n ice to new adventures and touring. For me next im gonna go back really lightweight like the crf300 rally but something a bit different. With going for a lightweight bike it’s gonna open up the possibility of some green laning an trail riding again, am I might even go lighter than a typical adv bike. Especially with the confirmed move to Somerset in April opens up a lot more places to ride a dealers like Rugged Roads not being to far away. (Also all the Ktm shops bar one are shut up here near me an that’s 2 hours away) For dad the nx500 fits him perfectly as he is only road riding for his adventures or very easy gravel roads with his stage 3b/4 prostate cancer. N our Norway trip will be hotels for his comfort as his energy comes back from the radiotherapy more he wants to give some lanes a go so I’ll get him something very light for that. I agree though the cf moto seems well more serious for trail riding. For me the 390 adv r is an interesting proposition although the lower exhaust is a concern can’t believe they did that 🙃 Totally agree on pricing, being very into my British bike history I think the Japanese could end up repeating that if they are not careful. I think if Suzuki had done a DRZ Rally an it was 7,500 maybe but it’s certainly up there price wise. You only have to look at the Kove an all the comments on Hrc’s Instagram of people asking when are we gonna see something like that from Japan. They could have really done something different with a lightweight bike with low tanks on the 300 rally.
Spoke to my local cf moto dealers, and they are saying they won’t be any deliveries in March. Hence I’ve bought a Himalayan 450 Kemet white tubeless pre reg for £5495. Think there’s going to be some disappointed people out there, maybe it’s struggling to pass the the new Euro 5.5 emission regs.
@@randomguy9893 oh man this is not good news as I was planning on March and cannot wait this long lol. What dealer are you using and it might be the same route for me. I need to go and test ride one the Himi 450. When you getting your bike
@@Andre-MostertAppleyards in Keighley West Yorkshire, getting it delivered next week. It’s replacing my old vstrom 650. They got the tubed grey ones for £4995, three years warranty and and European recovery. Hope you get yours soon, fingers crossed.
@@nathanthepostmanwe have started bypassing the clutch lever switch, seems to make quite an improvement on the throttle snatch. There's an explanation why in my local groups. Gets better after a few kilometers riding as the ecu learns.
I've fitted the Mitas Enduro XT + on my TT600R Belgarda with two levers at home. I wonder if you have the Dakar EO9 which are have much stiffer side walls?
That's interesting, thanks for that Loz. I wonder if the new Enduro XTs have got a softer carcass? I don't think mine are the Dakar but will double check.
throttle response.... recently been fiddling with my crf 450 and have found that disconnecting the non-adjustable throttle cable from the throttle tube has transformed my bike.... must be some sort of conflict between the non-adjustable cable and the adjustable cable.... and the amount of free play you like could this also apply to lots of other bikes 🤔
I have the same Mitas tyres for my 450MT and my only concern is if I run the pressure to low it may come of the rim and be too difficult to reseat on the bead.
ran the old mitas E07 on a 640 unsure if it was the dakar version or not, but rode it with a puncture and zero air TO try and BREAK the BEAD to get the tube out no chance, had 990 sidestand on it and that was a struggle, doubt you will have your issue.
Thanks for the update Nathan. When comparing to the T7's weight with pricing put aside would it come down to rider's ability to adapt to the top heavyness of the T7 vs lower weight distribution of the 450MT? Specifically in the more technical trails vs on flat surfaces.
Nathan what about the honda nx500 know it’s dearer but have you had chance to ride one yet, or will you ride one to give a honest opinion? Cheers Paul in Cornwall
I've not ridden the NX Amigo but did spend some time on the last of the 500Xs, which is all the NX really is. I do like it. Good solid bikes. Reliable, economical, strong residuals, good dealer back up, ride well etc. It just doesn't have the all round ability of the CF Moto in my opinion; ie more road biased, which if that's what you want then it could be a good way to go. I do have the Rieju 500 Aventura which is a bit of a copy of the CB500X and I do like that. But the CF moto is just a great all rounder.
Have you, or anyone else, had any experience with the KURZ FS250? They are a very cheap (£2,500 + £300 delivery) green lane bike. Come with lights and indicators. They weigh around 115kg dry if I remember correctly. They're for sale in the UK. Parts appear to be very cheap for it as well. Not too fast - around 75mph I think, but fast enough providing you don't plan to take it on a motorway. Other than that I don't really know the specs, like seat height etc.
Good honest review again But sorry I'm not sold on this as an Adventure bike Think you got it spot on by saying it sounds good and looks good Most people that buy this bike will take up a few lanes and down the cafe, and that will fit the image I'm told it can go thousands of miles before the valves need looking at But it can only go 3k before the oil & filter need changing The 450 himmy is by far the better bike as far as long distance adventures, purely on servicing alone 20/30/40 k Adventure will see a healthy gain just on the servicing which in turn helps pay for the trip I think once again the biking public have been left wanting by a brand that really needs to look at the service intervals on an Adventure bike
The old 411 was 3000 miles valve checks and that didn't stop anyone travelling on them. The new one is valves every 6000 miles for the first 12000 miles and is a big job. Personally I think the regular oil on the CF moto is a better option than fairly regular valves on the Himalayan.
Definitely agree Nathan, an oil change on the road is very easy and cheep to get done , it’s a spin on filter , air filter is also a doodle to get at to clean or change, something that’s probably more on a long journey on dusty roads.
@@wetiain I no longer buy new bikes I had a bad experience in Morocco on a himalayan I got both of our bikes serviced at enfield in Casablanca We continued on our journey but I had many problems with my bike I was sent to enfield in Irun on the way home to get it fixed They asked for my service book which I gave to them They refused to fix my bike under warranty as the previous dealership was not an authorised dealer ( despite the sign outside there shop ) village enfield I paid £6020 for the full on every accessory known to man for that bike Lots of money and arguments later I got £2600 as it had no warranty to transfer to the new owner So it's easy to say change the oil and filter on the road But I would check first with the dealership before you go if you have a new bike and get it in writing as to what there rules are for self servicing Many require a UK receipt with VAT added and genuine parts Some are more understanding and let you sign your own service book Be warned there are lots of bumps in the road for self servicing
I've just read that RE in Aus have reduced service intervals on the 450 from 10,000kms to 5000kms (3000 miles) in order to keep the 3 year warranty up. Just shows that manufactures just pull the figures out of thin.
Your comment on comparative reduced weight to a Honda CRF250L Rally will be put to the test. I have a 28" inseam and the CRF250L Rally has a 35.5" seat height. I'm thinking of getting a 450MT for my longer trips to find gravel routes. I'm looking forward to testing my skills with a bigger motorcycle where I can touch the ground with both feet
Regarding tyres/punctures, why does no one use puncture prevention fluid in their tyres? I've used OKO puncture prevention fluid in my last 5 bikes and I've found nails and screws in my tyres but not lost any air! The puncture is sealed immediately, I'm only saying OKO products though, can't recommend any other brands.
Cfmoto is no stranger to expanding engine size ( KTM 790 - 890 etc ) will they expand the 450 to a 500 or 550 at some point I wonder? The 450 Motor has proven to be a robust unit and it seems that most of the complaints around the bike is the lack of ponies. Fingers crossed.
Rotating engine mass is a big player in how heavy a bike feels. 250/450excf isn’t far apart in weight, a kilo , but they feel different due to engine mass.
Hi Nathan, question for you. Im considering downsizing from my V85TT to one of these or a Himi 450 or Voge 525. Its ease of handling that's driving this. I'd be using it mainly on the road and touring with only occasional excursions on to gravel or easy dirt roads. Your thoughts?
CF moto for me. It feels lighter to manage than the Himalayan and 'better' on the open road over distance. no brainer for me and having had the guzzi I think you'll like the cfs character
Remember, these comparison weights, especially with the Yamaha T7, the CFmoto has crash bars already fitted, the T7 doesn't, if you're not falling over regularly, take the crash bars off, put a tail tidy on and only fill the relatively large tank when you're travelling long distances.... Depending on where you live, you could put an aftermarket pipe on and remove the cat... All up you could remove around 20kg... Ride one first, everyone I know who's ridden this bike thinks it feels a lot lighter that it really is, it's a well balanced bike weight wise...
The Triumph is still unknown here in Canada. The 390 and 452 would swap spaces maybe. 75 Impérial mpg is about what a GS 650 gets - I believe. This is maybe why there is a demand for the 450 power, weight and handling.
Good question and I honestly don't know. The bike has a data logger built in that tracks location etc so I suspect that might interrupt any attempt to work around it. Others have had theirs remapped and de catted etc. I'm just happy to leave as is
@@nathanthepostman I'm still waiting my delivery here in Aus, But I asked and the new stock is already ecu updated. Also there was a recall on earlier models regarding the subframe holding water and 2 small drainage holes needed to be drilled. New models already have the issue addressed. It's selling incredibly well here.
Think updates will be linked to chassis number and they’ll know which market the bike was sold to, only releasing updates for that bike if it suits regulations in that market. So don’t think a vpn would fool the manufacturer.
Another piece of wisdom from you. Question that always puzzles me; why do people spend a grand on accessories when they could spend a grand on training to be a better rider? My mind boggles...!
As a subscriber to your channel I need a bit of advice, I've been thinking of trading in my 411 himi ,I've owned it for nearly 4years as my only form of transport, would the 450himi be a good replacement, or should I hang on to the 411, its been a good bike , easy to service and reliable and built quality is as good as anything out there. It's number 59 of the bikes I've owned since 1980..
I'm about to do a video on the 411 and 450 so good timing for your question. Conclusion would be that they're such very different bikes you're only going to know by trying the 450 and seeing if it's for you or not. You could buy one and not like it as much as the 411. I'm not sure I'd make the switch personally.
I have a T7 and have tested the CFmoto twice now. I’m not really sure it’s a fair comparison due to the cost difference mind. I was riding a CRF250 and I think if I’d had bought the 450 without riding a T7 I’d have been very happy with it but I think it’s now hard to move from a T7 the the 450. I think the build and overall quality is fair better on the T7. The weight feels massively different, the 450 feels way lighter but also feels too low to the ground (kinda strange saying that I know) it’s more like the pegs are too low and close to the seat maybe? for beginners it would feel more reassuring I think. Maybe the impressions of the bike are dictated by where you ride it, I’m in wales and I’m not sure the bike would hold up to the rocks around here?
Interesting feedback Ian. Can't see why the CF moto wouldn't fair well in Wales. But if you're assessing it as a pure trail bike it's going to have limitations. Less ground clearance than a t7 as well. Bound to suit different people for different reasons.
I've heard these are great bikes in so many ways, but i sat on one at the NEC show and it just felt so bulky at the front and between the knees... Like an Africa Twin. I guess I'd have to ride one properly, but it didn't immediately appeal as something to take off-road.
anybody here done any miles on one yet? are the springs a bit heavy rate or is it the damping a bit slow or both? my opinion its a small T7 not exactly ground breaking engineering just a good application of a lower budget, creating a good package to a point. the CF has the advantage of being in a niche of its own really and possibly sold at a price point to break in to the market (good for us) and hurt others (not so good). Think it is the beginning of a new flow of machines surprising though how many are still hanging on to chinesium etc and others that have yet to hear of CF MOTO. E09's you will likely ride them a fair distance with zero air, probably the weight will suck up a bit of power and not the most pliable for grip, the complete opposite carcass to a tracker for example. from my experience great words thanks.
Thanks 1229. I took this passage from Rally Raid website who have investigated the stock shock... Workshop Wednesday: Development and testing for the CFMOTO 450MT. We've done some initial testing of the damping and spring rates of the OEM Shock and Fork which confirmed our initial ride feedback, that the shock was over-damped excessively on rebound and the forks were under-sprung in the initial stage as shown in the dyno charts. We replaced these OEM parts with our initial replacement shock, which has reduced rebound and a wider range of damping adjustment, plus new 22mm diameter open cartridges with linear fork springs, rather than the extremely soft progressive fork springs which are fitted as standard. We are happy with the shock performance and now we're doing the fine adjustments for the oil levels on the fork cartridges to reduce bottoming out over large whoops, but the initial first half of the travel is a big improvement over the OEM fork action, we're also looking at the possibility of a plus 30mm travel shock and fork kit for those riders that want to ride more aggressively off road, or are very tall. So stay tuned!
@@nathanthepostman that all sounds very lovely but likely very expensive too, I suppose they never were going to say here is a lighter blue rear spring and a litre of a oil 2.5 heavier and a sticker for each forkleg were they. thanks for the response.
Just a quick general comment on tyre changing on the trail. Are you aware of "bead buddies", they're a motocross thing, they act like a second set of levers that hold the bead in place while your refitting the tyre. Come from motocross. Make refitting tyres without ripping the tube a hell of a lot easier. Can easily carry a couple in your toolkit. Thought I'd flag them up for anyone who hasn't heard of them.
@@nathanthepostman They're no real help in getting the tyre off (but if you've already got a puncture (and a spare tube) you don't care about pinching the tube when getting it off), but they make a massive difference when re-fitting the tyre if you're own your own (they are designed for MX tyres after all), they're really just a bracket that holds the bead in place while you move your levers to the next position (you just keep sliding them along your rim as you work your way around). I've used them quite a lot on some pretty ugly tyres and find them to be a great help. I've got a couple of different makes in my workshop, cheaper ones on Ebay are quite a bit thinner and lighter than the 'official bead buddies' but actually work just as well and take up a lot less space/weight so I think they're actually better. They're only about a tenner each (you need two), might be interesting to do a little review on them for your viewers (no I don't have any financial interest in them 😊). I would note though, that it's quite easy to scratch your rims with them if you're not careful (if you care about such things).
@@simonbirt6121 I must say, I hate tube tyres, total PITA. I ride a mountain bikes (push bikes) as well and we did away with tubes on a long time ago. Never tried it, but I have seen people converting m/c spoke tube rims to tubeless the same way we do with MTBs (i.e. lock on valves and taping the rims). Maybe some safety issues with bead security on big heavy m/c though so never tried it myself though was sorely tempted with my old 650 Transalp and Heidenhau K60 Scouts, they were no fun getting off and on without pinching the tubes.
@@nathanthepostman I used them when fitting Heidenau K60 Scouts to my bike, and they did help. Not sure how the Scouts compare to E09s on the toughness of the sidewall though.
I keep wondering why haven't the established manufacturers come up with a bike like this. Surely they must know the markets they supply, or not maybe. I can pretty much describe exactly the bike I'd like to buy and I think it would appeal to a lot of other people too, but it's just not there. Looking at what's available I know it's possible, power, weight, etc. It's puzzling. I may yet get a 450MT, it certainly appeals. I'd also pay £1000 more for something that fit my spec.
I think there's just such a lag in the system with the big companies which just doesn't move with the same pace as the market. So means they're behind the curve. I suspect there's also a lot more profit in flogging the big bikes so that's where they've been keen to steer things. They've got caught napping tho for sure
£7500 for a DRZ? They're going to kill it before it has a chance, and it won't have anything like the breadth of abilities of the CF, RE or a 500X. Suzuki need to look hard at this. With free luggage and very low APR rates as tempters to move new bikes I see very few of on the road, I don't think they'll sell many. And I like suzuki, I've had 6 of them. Ride safe 👍
@@teneretraveller8980I know. It just won't compete at that price, although to be fair the crf300 rally is creeping up on £7k. New drz would do great at £6500
Update from a fellow Aussie from back in July 2024 regarding the software update via the app for that jerky throttle at low rpm. Not sure how long it will take to come through the Euro market though if the MOT don't like you? th-cam.com/video/lHWA3nOuGTg/w-d-xo.html
Nathan, I have fixed most of the "Snatchy throttle" issue with one simple 5 minute fix. On the clutch lever just at the back of the ABS switch you will find a simple two pin plug. This plug is designed to cut the fuel to the engine once the clutch lever is pressed, but in the 450MT's case its way too severe. Pull that plug out and simply make a short metal loop and place in the female side. I have used a small motorbike fuse and that works fine to complete the circuit. It's simple takes no time at all and it will make a huge difference to the slow speed issues of the bike. Here in New Zealand we have done three bike recently and all to great success so give it a go and let me know how you get on. Thanks. Peter.
Really enjoy your simple, honesty, down to earth insights, Nathan. The best analysis of small adventure bikes available. Love my 450MT as well
I’ve loved your content on this bike. You’re so good at explaining the things that matter to a prospective rider. I’ve had my 450MT for 3 weeks now and have only done a couple of fire trail rides, but so far I’m very impressed. I’m keen to put some of those XT+ tyres on and then I can tackle some real off road conditions.
Thanks Mr deep. Let us know how you get on with the tyres!
Metzlers 360s are working well for me
Perfect video to start the day! 👍
Very concise review for the year. Thank you
Looking forward to seeing your reviews in 2025 . Always genuine honest reviews with none of the click bait sponsored bull i usually come across on here.
Lovely work as ever, counting the days until she lands next month. Keep up the great work amigo
2025 will be an epic time for small capacity adventure bikes.... Tuareg 457, BMW 460GS, KTM 390 ADV R.... the CF MOTO will have some serious competition. Good for everyone!
There is a new KLE500 coming too
Absolutely, my 1200 scrambler is awesome but overkill for my daily use and intimidating to take on trails for the weekend. One of these 450cc would make much more sense.
Just bought one Nathan! Thanks for your great advice! I am 65, just retired, ridden road bikes since I was 16, never done any trail riding! My goal is to get some practice in and join you on a trip a some point. Keep up the good work!
I think corroded spokes can sometimes be harsh snow foams and traffic film remover. People think products that dissolve the mud quickly are doing a good job, but some products also attack platings.
Thanks Nathan, it is really helpful to hear a well considered review of a bike from an owner’s perspective. You Tube at its best.
My go-to reviewer for small capacity bikes 👌👏👏
A beautiful machine for a brilliant price 👍👍👍.... Great review 🍻💫🍻
I was lucky to get my 450mt in July 24, I have been careful to only add a new bash plate, some old stronger hand guards I had from a previous bike and I have added upper crash bars, but having seen how strong the plastics are from others bikes that have been in quite severe drops I may remove the crash bars. Taking the slack out of the throttle cables really does help reduce the snatch, and it doesn't take long to adjust your riding so as to forget about it. Coming from a Tenere I just don't miss the extra power, the 450 seems more like it has 60hp rather than 42. I love my 450 and it will be with me for many years.
I agree with you my friend!))
I still do like that CFMoto, if they'd have been a few years older and second hand ones were out there I'd hve got one over the Himalayan. Great video and review as always, and congratulations on raising so much, I enjoyed the evening and the talks.
Like your videos. Honest, straight forward and no bullshit. 👍
Thanks, as always, very useful reviews 👍
Thanks nc
Good point about how CFMotot have reset the market with this bike. Suzuki did the same way back with the launch of the 600 and 1200 Bandit, they massively undercut the Yamaha XJR and Kawasaki ZRX resulting in the price of those being slashed by as much as 2 grand! It did great things for affordability of bikes from all manufacturers for years after. Lets hope they get the DRZ priced competitively?
Thanks Nathan I love my cf mate
Cracking real world balanced review gained by personal and customer / client experience. Great to have it as part of the stable for comparison with others at the price point. Roll on the 390 Adventure R release.. could be tempted to swap my 400X for one of
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Harsh throttles can also be helped by changing the cam profile on the hand throttle. Soften the shape of the cam where it initially starts pulling the cable can really smooth the initial response of the engine. Thats it it is a cable throttle and not electronic. If its electronic, then im guessing that it should be easy to adjust the programming of the throttle opening without affecting the fuel map.
Can’t comment on the 450mt bike , but have a CFMoto quad for rounding sheep up etc round the farm and it gets some hard use and so far been very reliable. Have to say I’m keen to try the bike as I’m thinking of getting a smaller more manageable motorcycle.
Great review 👍 There’s a vid on how to change your rear tire on the road where a lady manages to fit her own mitas e-07 …. I do believe she is a Valkyrie goddess though. Deffo a tyre shop for us mere mortals 😅
Haha. She did better than me!
Got rid of my f 650 gs for the 450 mt and it dose everything and more love it
I love the look of this bike.
The engine sound is sublime. Not keen on snatchy throttles. They shouldn't exist. My KTM is like this. But, like you, I ride around it. Sticking the 390 Duke on the market, Nathan. I want a CL500. Nick
Nathan is the antidote to all the 'Dakar' wannabee so called tests on You Tube. 99% of these miss the point of the middle weight adventure bike concept. Stop watch tests? really...stick with it Nathan, I love to know how a bike works on UK trails, sub 20mph, and loaded up for slow , long distance rides. Worthy stuff. Hope to join you on the lanes in 2025...now where can I find a second hand 450MT.......
Please test the kove 800x. Your reviews are by far the most real world applicable : )
Nice direct summary. well done
Great review, so balanced as ever.
Spokes tarnishing is just normal and it’s OK. It’s just discolouration of the passivating coating. Just keep them clean and accept that it shows the passivating coating is working.
That’s the bike for the big America expedition this autumn - nicey nice
Perfect for it, especially if you're doing any bdr riding
Best selling bike in Australia for 2024
According to my Internet search Yamaha was the best selling bike in Australia followed by Honda Kawasaki KTM TRIUMPH.
@@mikerider58 best selling bike not brand collective range.
@@UncannySenseAs the importers for FCMoto, RE etc don't release their sales figures they can claim what they like, it doesn't mean we believe them.
@@jimtitt3571 when i ordered my MT450 from Sunstate Motorcycles Sunshine coast their office white board had about every 1 in 5 bikes ordered an MT450...the phone rang while I was signing paperwork and it was an MT450 inquiry. I asked the staff and they said its now their number 1 selling bike and they said to me 45000 have been sold in Australia so far...How accurate that quote is i cant prove. Needles to say the MT450 is selling a lot.
@UncannySense Best selling motorcycle was Yamaha MT 07 Honda CBR 650 Kawasaki etc
CF Moto doesn't come close.
Thanks Nathan. Very interesting.
I got my 450MT late last year and have only done about 800 miles so far. Every time I get on it I am 'shocked' how damn good it is for the money. I test rode the 450 Himalayan and that is a great bike. The Himi feels like it was carved from granite, it is so solid. The MT has a much lighter feel even though the bikes have a similar weight. Tubeless rims are standard on the MT and anyone who has had to change tubes a few times knows that can be a god send 🙂 I don't understand why Honda don't put tubeless rims on the Transalps, if they did I may of bought one !
Yes it's bizarre isn't it not fitting tubeless to bikes like the transalp which they market as more road based adventure machines. Same with vstrom 800de. I'd love to know if it's a cost decision or whether it's what they think the market wants
@@nathanthepostman A few years ago I got a rear puncture on a F800GS (tubed) when coming off a dual carriage way, and that was a little hairy!, with tubeless you do get a bit of warning.
@@smaca5250 yes the lack of tubeless wheels was the main reason I didn’t get the new transalp , and lots of things you would expect to come and the bike are now optional extras , despite having 2 previous transalps I went for the CF moto MT800 , loving it so far with 4K miles so far
So looking forward to getting mine in March
What’s the brand of the crash bars? Are those the one you get from cfmoto?
A brilliant End of Year Review on the CF Moto 450MT, thank you Nathan. Can I ask you to let me know what the make and model of jack you are using under the bike and the make and model of torque wrench you are using, many thanks? 👍
Thanks William. I think the jack was just a generic scissor jack off eBay. The torque rench is one my dad had down the pit. Will be a British coal board special!
Brilliant video mate happy 2025, as a nx500 owner I agree, I think a lot comes down to usage case an being honest with yourself on how an what you are gonna ride also personal managability, an choosing the bike that fits with that weight wise.
I’ve just sold my 1150gsa with the way my shoulder is an the reality of that, I couldn’t handle the weight most of the time, I’ll really miss it though had some amazing memories on it.
lad who bought it moved it around like me moving a nx500. An ex gs trophy rider N rode it away in the snow n ice to new adventures and touring.
For me next im gonna go back really lightweight like the crf300 rally but something a bit different.
With going for a lightweight bike it’s gonna open up the possibility of some green laning an trail riding again, am I might even go lighter than a typical adv bike. Especially with the confirmed move to Somerset in April opens up a lot more places to ride a dealers like Rugged Roads not being to far away.
(Also all the Ktm shops bar one are shut up here near me an that’s 2 hours away)
For dad the nx500 fits him perfectly as he is only road riding for his adventures or very easy gravel roads with his stage 3b/4 prostate cancer. N our Norway trip will be hotels for his comfort as his energy comes back from the radiotherapy more he wants to give some lanes a go so I’ll get him something very light for that.
I agree though the cf moto seems well more serious for trail riding.
For me the 390 adv r is an interesting proposition although the lower exhaust is a concern can’t believe they did that 🙃
Totally agree on pricing, being very into my British bike history I think the Japanese could end up repeating that if they are not careful.
I think if Suzuki had done a DRZ Rally an it was 7,500 maybe but it’s certainly up there price wise.
You only have to look at the Kove an all the comments on Hrc’s Instagram of people asking when are we gonna see something like that from Japan.
They could have really done something different with a lightweight bike with low tanks on the 300 rally.
Good video Nathan
Thanks guys. Appreciated.
Cannot wait to get this one in March by the sounds of it. Dont know the colour but we will have to see when the shipment arrives.
Spoke to my local cf moto dealers, and they are saying they won’t be any deliveries in March. Hence I’ve bought a Himalayan 450 Kemet white tubeless pre reg for £5495. Think there’s going to be some disappointed people out there, maybe it’s struggling to pass the the new Euro 5.5 emission regs.
@@randomguy9893 oh man this is not good news as I was planning on March and cannot wait this long lol. What dealer are you using and it might be the same route for me. I need to go and test ride one the Himi 450. When you getting your bike
@@Andre-MostertAppleyards in Keighley West Yorkshire, getting it delivered next week. It’s replacing my old vstrom 650. They got the tubed grey ones for £4995, three years warranty and and European recovery. Hope you get yours soon, fingers crossed.
@@randomguy9893 That is a great price. I will check them out. Thanks for the quick feedback.
Another great review, thank you. I hope the big hammer next to you is a not a ‘Freudian slip…’
... the throttle control software update available (costs 45€ in Germany), after testing the new mapping the effect is gone ...
That's interesting. So you've got the map update over there. Must be EU approved then
@@nathanthepostmanwe have started bypassing the clutch lever switch, seems to make quite an improvement on the throttle snatch. There's an explanation why in my local groups. Gets better after a few kilometers riding as the ecu learns.
I've fitted the Mitas Enduro XT + on my TT600R Belgarda with two levers at home.
I wonder if you have the Dakar EO9 which are have much stiffer side walls?
That's interesting, thanks for that Loz. I wonder if the new Enduro XTs have got a softer carcass? I don't think mine are the Dakar but will double check.
throttle response.... recently been fiddling with my crf 450 and have found that disconnecting the non-adjustable throttle cable from the throttle tube has transformed my bike.... must be some sort of conflict between the non-adjustable cable and the adjustable cable.... and the amount of free play you like could this also apply to lots of other bikes 🤔
I’m hoping my mitas enduro trail xt will last 3000 miles and sync in perfectly for changing with my service
I was surprised to see CF Moto at the LAMMA agricultural show with their Quads and 'Side by Sides'... They looked impressive too.
You had me at how it sounds
I have the same Mitas tyres for my 450MT and my only concern is if I run the pressure to low it may come of the rim and be too difficult to reseat on the bead.
ran the old mitas E07 on a 640 unsure if it was the dakar version or not, but rode it with a puncture and zero air TO try and BREAK the BEAD to get the tube out no chance, had 990 sidestand on it and that was a struggle, doubt you will have your issue.
Thanks for the update Nathan. When comparing to the T7's weight with pricing put aside would it come down to rider's ability to adapt to the top heavyness of the T7 vs lower weight distribution of the 450MT? Specifically in the more technical trails vs on flat surfaces.
You'll notice the difference easily, ride both.. The 450 is a hell of a lot easier to pick up off the ground and less fatiguing to ride .
Thanks for the reply. Still waiting for them to arrive in Vancouver, BC, Canada.
Nathan what about the honda nx500 know it’s dearer but have you had chance to ride one yet, or will you ride one to give a honest opinion? Cheers Paul in Cornwall
I've not ridden the NX Amigo but did spend some time on the last of the 500Xs, which is all the NX really is. I do like it. Good solid bikes. Reliable, economical, strong residuals, good dealer back up, ride well etc. It just doesn't have the all round ability of the CF Moto in my opinion; ie more road biased, which if that's what you want then it could be a good way to go. I do have the Rieju 500 Aventura which is a bit of a copy of the CB500X and I do like that. But the CF moto is just a great all rounder.
Thank you !
Have you, or anyone else, had any experience with the KURZ FS250? They are a very cheap (£2,500 + £300 delivery) green lane bike. Come with lights and indicators. They weigh around 115kg dry if I remember correctly. They're for sale in the UK. Parts appear to be very cheap for it as well. Not too fast - around 75mph I think, but fast enough providing you don't plan to take it on a motorway. Other than that I don't really know the specs, like seat height etc.
I know Freddie Dobbs mentioned them. Yeah cheap bikes. Could be great. Haven't tried one yet
Good honest review again
But sorry I'm not sold on this as an Adventure bike
Think you got it spot on by saying it sounds good and looks good
Most people that buy this bike will take up a few lanes and down the cafe, and that will fit the image
I'm told it can go thousands of miles before the valves need looking at
But it can only go 3k before the oil & filter need changing
The 450 himmy is by far the better bike as far as long distance adventures, purely on servicing alone
20/30/40 k Adventure will see a healthy gain just on the servicing which in turn helps pay for the trip
I think once again the biking public have been left wanting by a brand that really needs to look at the service intervals on an Adventure bike
The old 411 was 3000 miles valve checks and that didn't stop anyone travelling on them. The new one is valves every 6000 miles for the first 12000 miles and is a big job. Personally I think the regular oil on the CF moto is a better option than fairly regular valves on the Himalayan.
Definitely agree Nathan, an oil change on the road is very easy and cheep to get done , it’s a spin on filter , air filter is also a doodle to get at to clean or change, something that’s probably more on a long journey on dusty roads.
@@wetiain I no longer buy new bikes
I had a bad experience in Morocco on a himalayan
I got both of our bikes serviced at enfield in Casablanca
We continued on our journey but I had many problems with my bike
I was sent to enfield in Irun on the way home to get it fixed
They asked for my service book which I gave to them
They refused to fix my bike under warranty as the previous dealership was not an authorised dealer ( despite the sign outside there shop ) village enfield
I paid £6020 for the full on every accessory known to man for that bike
Lots of money and arguments later I got £2600 as it had no warranty to transfer to the new owner
So it's easy to say change the oil and filter on the road
But I would check first with the dealership before you go if you have a new bike and get it in writing as to what there rules are for self servicing
Many require a UK receipt with VAT added and genuine parts
Some are more understanding and let you sign your own service book
Be warned there are lots of bumps in the road for self servicing
if you cant fine oil and filters every 3k miles then you don't need a motorcycle you need a horse.
I've just read that RE in Aus have reduced service intervals on the 450 from 10,000kms to 5000kms (3000 miles) in order to keep the 3 year warranty up. Just shows that manufactures just pull the figures out of thin.
Your comment on comparative reduced weight to a Honda CRF250L Rally will be put to the test.
I have a 28" inseam and the CRF250L Rally has a 35.5" seat height. I'm thinking of getting a 450MT for my longer trips to find gravel routes.
I'm looking forward to testing my skills with a bigger motorcycle where I can touch the ground with both feet
Regarding tyres/punctures, why does no one use puncture prevention fluid in their tyres? I've used OKO puncture prevention fluid in my last 5 bikes and I've found nails and screws in my tyres but not lost any air! The puncture is sealed immediately, I'm only saying OKO products though, can't recommend any other brands.
Yeah you're right, a good preventative can work wonders if the hole's not too big.
Great video Nathan. Where did you get the tank protection stickers?
Thanks Kw. I think they were just aliexpress specials. Loads of options on there and only about £20.
Cfmoto is no stranger to expanding engine size ( KTM 790 - 890 etc ) will they expand the 450 to a 500 or 550 at some point I wonder? The 450 Motor has proven to be a robust unit and it seems that most of the complaints around the bike is the lack of ponies. Fingers crossed.
What is that net on the seat??
It's a Cool Cover, for comfort.
Hi man, can you help with tyres for my 300 rally? Maybe 50/50 tyre and what sizes you would go for? Not many with the oem sizes! Tia
My question, did you have any water in the frame? Near the lower front engine mount.
I think there was some in there. They drilled it when it was in for service. Only the mounting pipes for the sump guard rather than actual frame
Rotating engine mass is a big player in how heavy a bike feels.
250/450excf isn’t far apart in weight, a kilo , but they feel different due to engine mass.
Hi Nathan, question for you. Im considering downsizing from my V85TT to one of these or a Himi 450 or Voge 525. Its ease of handling that's driving this. I'd be using it mainly on the road and touring with only occasional excursions on to gravel or easy dirt roads. Your thoughts?
CF moto for me. It feels lighter to manage than the Himalayan and 'better' on the open road over distance. no brainer for me and having had the guzzi I think you'll like the cfs character
@nathanthepostman cheers Nathan
any suggestion to reduce some weight on this bike? thx
Remember, these comparison weights, especially with the Yamaha T7, the CFmoto has crash bars already fitted, the T7 doesn't, if you're not falling over regularly, take the crash bars off, put a tail tidy on and only fill the relatively large tank when you're travelling long distances.... Depending on where you live, you could put an aftermarket pipe on and remove the cat... All up you could remove around 20kg... Ride one first, everyone I know who's ridden this bike thinks it feels a lot lighter that it really is, it's a well balanced bike weight wise...
Not sure there's too many options to be fair. Lithium battery, remove rear rack, but other than not a great deal.
Will you be looking into a kove 450?
No I don't think so. Would be nice to but probably a bit extreme for my average customer
The Triumph is still unknown here in Canada. The 390 and 452 would swap spaces maybe. 75 Impérial mpg is about what a GS 650 gets - I believe. This is maybe why there is a demand for the 450 power, weight and handling.
Does it feel much heavier than a 390 adv off road ?
Yeah a bit. But more suited to off road than the KTM. The new KTM will be a good step forward I think
Is that meshy thing on the seat standard?
Cool cover or equivalent👍
@ktmtravels3727 thanks
Mi like desde España 🇪🇦, una repro y un piñón de 15
could you use a phone VPN and update the ecu with the app using another region...I know its possible to do in Australia
Good question and I honestly don't know. The bike has a data logger built in that tracks location etc so I suspect that might interrupt any attempt to work around it. Others have had theirs remapped and de catted etc. I'm just happy to leave as is
@@nathanthepostman I'm still waiting my delivery here in Aus, But I asked and the new stock is already ecu updated. Also there was a recall on earlier models regarding the subframe holding water and 2 small drainage holes needed to be drilled. New models already have the issue addressed. It's selling incredibly well here.
Think updates will be linked to chassis number and they’ll know which market the bike was sold to, only releasing updates for that bike if it suits regulations in that market. So don’t think a vpn would fool the manufacturer.
is the throttle still snatchy even after the last firmware update?
Europe hasn't had the update yet
There has been no update in Australia or anywhere, just a rumor that has spread
Another piece of wisdom from you. Question that always puzzles me; why do people spend a grand on accessories when they could spend a grand on training to be a better rider? My mind boggles...!
Surely you know by now that riders are never the problem. Not when there's the bike to blame and spend money on!
@nathanthepostman 😂
As a subscriber to your channel I need a bit of advice, I've been thinking of trading in my 411 himi ,I've owned it for nearly 4years as my only form of transport, would the 450himi be a good replacement, or should I hang on to the 411, its been a good bike , easy to service and reliable and built quality is as good as anything out there. It's number 59 of the bikes I've owned since 1980..
I'm about to do a video on the 411 and 450 so good timing for your question. Conclusion would be that they're such very different bikes you're only going to know by trying the 450 and seeing if it's for you or not. You could buy one and not like it as much as the 411. I'm not sure I'd make the switch personally.
I have a T7 and have tested the CFmoto twice now.
I’m not really sure it’s a fair comparison due to the cost difference mind.
I was riding a CRF250 and I think if I’d had bought the 450 without riding a T7 I’d have been very happy with it but I think it’s now hard to move from a T7 the the 450.
I think the build and overall quality is fair better on the T7. The weight feels massively different, the 450 feels way lighter but also feels too low to the ground (kinda strange saying that I know) it’s more like the pegs are too low and close to the seat maybe? for beginners it would feel more reassuring I think.
Maybe the impressions of the bike are dictated by where you ride it, I’m in wales and I’m not sure the bike would hold up to the rocks around here?
Interesting feedback Ian. Can't see why the CF moto wouldn't fair well in Wales. But if you're assessing it as a pure trail bike it's going to have limitations. Less ground clearance than a t7 as well. Bound to suit different people for different reasons.
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I've heard these are great bikes in so many ways, but i sat on one at the NEC show and it just felt so bulky at the front and between the knees... Like an Africa Twin. I guess I'd have to ride one properly, but it didn't immediately appeal as something to take off-road.
It's more like an adventure bike than a dual-sport. The wider tank is great in rain and cooler temperatures. The fuel range is also a benefit
It's a cool bike, for sure.
the map is out! if you download the app and connect the bike it goes easy!
It's baffling. Some are saying it's not out. Some saying it is. It's not out here in the UK at least. Where are you?
anybody here done any miles on one yet? are the springs a bit heavy rate or is it the damping a bit slow or both? my opinion its a small T7 not exactly ground breaking engineering just a good application of a lower budget, creating a good package to a point. the CF has the advantage of being in a niche of its own really and possibly sold at a price point to break in to the market (good for us) and hurt others (not so good). Think it is the beginning of a new flow of machines surprising though how many are still hanging on to chinesium etc and others that have yet to hear of CF MOTO. E09's you will likely ride them a fair distance with zero air, probably the weight will suck up a bit of power and not the most pliable for grip, the complete opposite carcass to a tracker for example. from my experience great words thanks.
Thanks 1229. I took this passage from Rally Raid website who have investigated the stock shock...
Workshop Wednesday: Development and testing for the CFMOTO 450MT. We've done some initial testing of the damping and spring rates of the OEM Shock and Fork which confirmed our initial ride feedback, that the shock was over-damped excessively on rebound and the forks were under-sprung in the initial stage as shown in the dyno charts.
We replaced these OEM parts with our initial replacement shock, which has reduced rebound and a wider range of damping adjustment, plus new 22mm diameter open cartridges with linear fork springs, rather than the extremely soft progressive fork springs which are fitted as standard.
We are happy with the shock performance and now we're doing the fine adjustments for the oil levels on the fork cartridges to reduce bottoming out over large whoops, but the initial first half of the travel is a big improvement over the OEM fork action, we're also looking at the possibility of a plus 30mm travel shock and fork kit for those riders that want to ride more aggressively off road, or are very tall. So stay tuned!
@@nathanthepostman that all sounds very lovely but likely very expensive too, I suppose they never were going to say here is a lighter blue rear spring and a litre of a oil 2.5 heavier and a sticker for each forkleg were they. thanks for the response.
Just a quick general comment on tyre changing on the trail. Are you aware of "bead buddies", they're a motocross thing, they act like a second set of levers that hold the bead in place while your refitting the tyre. Come from motocross. Make refitting tyres without ripping the tube a hell of a lot easier. Can easily carry a couple in your toolkit. Thought I'd flag them up for anyone who hasn't heard of them.
Yeah I've heard of them and carrying some would be great. How they'd fair on the mitas I'm not sure
@@nathanthepostman They're no real help in getting the tyre off (but if you've already got a puncture (and a spare tube) you don't care about pinching the tube when getting it off), but they make a massive difference when re-fitting the tyre if you're own your own (they are designed for MX tyres after all), they're really just a bracket that holds the bead in place while you move your levers to the next position (you just keep sliding them along your rim as you work your way around). I've used them quite a lot on some pretty ugly tyres and find them to be a great help. I've got a couple of different makes in my workshop, cheaper ones on Ebay are quite a bit thinner and lighter than the 'official bead buddies' but actually work just as well and take up a lot less space/weight so I think they're actually better. They're only about a tenner each (you need two), might be interesting to do a little review on them for your viewers (no I don't have any financial interest in them 😊). I would note though, that it's quite easy to scratch your rims with them if you're not careful (if you care about such things).
@@jonm7272I have one and it helps a little. I fit my own tyres in the main, I agree with Nathan, stiff tubed tyres are a no no.
@@simonbirt6121 I must say, I hate tube tyres, total PITA. I ride a mountain bikes (push bikes) as well and we did away with tubes on a long time ago. Never tried it, but I have seen people converting m/c spoke tube rims to tubeless the same way we do with MTBs (i.e. lock on valves and taping the rims). Maybe some safety issues with bead security on big heavy m/c though so never tried it myself though was sorely tempted with my old 650 Transalp and Heidenhau K60 Scouts, they were no fun getting off and on without pinching the tubes.
@@nathanthepostman I used them when fitting Heidenau K60 Scouts to my bike, and they did help. Not sure how the Scouts compare to E09s on the toughness of the sidewall though.
Tyre name pls
mitas e09
I think the 390 is going to shake things up pretty much.
Agreed
I keep wondering why haven't the established manufacturers come up with a bike like this. Surely they must know the markets they supply, or not maybe. I can pretty much describe exactly the bike I'd like to buy and I think it would appeal to a lot of other people too, but it's just not there. Looking at what's available I know it's possible, power, weight, etc. It's puzzling.
I may yet get a 450MT, it certainly appeals. I'd also pay £1000 more for something that fit my spec.
I think there's just such a lag in the system with the big companies which just doesn't move with the same pace as the market. So means they're behind the curve. I suspect there's also a lot more profit in flogging the big bikes so that's where they've been keen to steer things. They've got caught napping tho for sure
£7500 for a DRZ?
They're going to kill it before it has a chance, and it won't have anything like the breadth of abilities of the CF, RE or a 500X.
Suzuki need to look hard at this.
With free luggage and very low APR rates as tempters to move new bikes I see very few of on the road, I don't think they'll sell many.
And I like suzuki, I've had 6 of them.
Ride safe 👍
@@teneretraveller8980I know. It just won't compete at that price, although to be fair the crf300 rally is creeping up on £7k. New drz would do great at £6500
Update from a fellow Aussie from back in July 2024 regarding the software update via the app for that jerky throttle at low rpm. Not sure how long it will take to come through the Euro market though if the MOT don't like you? th-cam.com/video/lHWA3nOuGTg/w-d-xo.html
I hope somebody "leaks" that map if won't pass the "certification".
Tenere 500 on its way soon..
can't say fairer than that really
And THAT ,I believe, is the main cause of KTM came failure!