@bonorajunior you can't throw gyaku or kizami from short distance (or you can but it's not going to be a point because it's not an effective clear technique). they are straight punches. from short distance you can throw a hook punch which exists in karate but not in competitional kumite. Aghayev is useing this short distance strategy, because he is small. and also, small people are advantaged in throws, because of the lower center of weight.
I do totally accept your point that the fighters must abide by the rule set of the SPORT. Which was why I said that if this is world class refereeing I want nothing of it. I suppose I was including that to include the rules under which the fighters compete, but I was not clear in stating that. Sport kumite has its place, but I feel very ambivalent when I see a great karateka jumping through hoops to score when he is clearly slaughtering the opponent.
I found it a bit hard to see both refs simultaneously myself. Nevertheless, I'm not disagreeing with you about Agayev being the better fighter between the two. But this is a points based sports karate competition, and as such scoring is based on the athletes meeting several criteria at once before a point is awarded. It's easy for us to see on video after analysis and in hindsight what should have and shouldn't have scored. The referees are making an on the spot judgement call and may miss out
Would you please explain how this is a collective decision? Is the referee using a flag system to determine the scoring - two assistants on the side - I looked for them and didn't see them. But to return to my original point, Aghayev was all over the other guy, and in real life would have finished him off many times. you say he "gets away" with hip throws, and I realise they are prohibited, but learning to fight by taking things effective OUT of your karate seems particularly ill advised.
because there are a lot of types of karate, which are different and can not be judged the same in the competition. You have 1 football, 1 basketball etc.. just to avoid disagreement
.. contd. ... on what we can see over and over again. Sometimes a technique is not clean, as in the sweep/takedown at 1.22, was that worth a point? yes in my opinion, but the refs did not score it probably because it was not clean enough or followed up on quick enough. It's not about what's effective or what's not, its about taking advantage on what will and wont work within this framework of rules.
All opinions will always be debatable, but at the end of the day, if you don't play according to the 5 judges/ref's interpretation of the rules on the day, you won't score / win. Case in point, last year's finals between Agheyev and Busa. Clearly Busa was not the better fighter (not Agheyev for that matter) however, 3 of the 5 judges saw in Busa's favour. Unlike WUKO karate (the precursor) WKF is not about the Ippon attitude, which is why there are many breakaway organisations and no Olympics.
Two magnificent athletes, and I enoy sport karate myself, but this final depicts everything that's wrong about it. Time after time Aghayev takes Beck convincingly to the floor, follows up with convincing punches to the head and still does not score the point. Fights decided by opinion are not fights at all. If this is world class refereeing, I want no part of a world class event.
Eso es karate competitivo , de la WKF y se pelea así. No porque el compita en estos torneo va a pelear así en otro enfrentamiento. Aprende a diferenciar las cosas. Y es diGo .
probably because there are 100s of world organisations with their own world championships and rules. As much as WKF would like for themselves to be considered 'karate', I'm sorry, they are not. They couldn't be further from the truth. Now with the rule changes to TKD to more points orientation, theres like very minor differences between WTF TKD and WKF Karate, just combine the 2 IMO and call it Olympic Point Fighting.
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haha el mejor boxeador o ¿que era karate verdad? denle una bicicleta se la pasa corriendo y solo lanza un golpe que ni forma tiene pero bueno es el nuevo deporte dijo arte marcial : l
I used to do kyokushin, then i moved onto kickboxing, to tkd, to judo, and finally muay thai..it took me a while to find the art for me.
@touretul Gyako and Kisame are not punching techniques in kumite? The kumite you know that there is only kicks and throws?
Rafael is my idol, he is obviously one of the best ones in karate !!! Long Live Rafael, Long Live AZERBAIJAN
Rafael, we are proud of you, u r the best one in the world.
Very well expressed sir.
i like it good job
!!nice combat
naw its a olimpic sport they started in 2016!in brazilia!i hope i will win!
ressemblance incroyablement frappante ^^
It's going to be in 2020 hopefully!
@bonorajunior you can't throw gyaku or kizami from short distance (or you can but it's not going to be a point because it's not an effective clear technique). they are straight punches. from short distance you can throw a hook punch which exists in karate but not in competitional kumite. Aghayev is useing this short distance strategy, because he is small. and also, small people are advantaged in throws, because of the lower center of weight.
karate sparring is a sport a combative art in karate usally use in self defense... by the way are you a karate player
dude it doesnt matter, still he is the best for me .
il est trop fort se mec
aka danh hay ghe!
uh no there is always someone stronger, faster, and more technical sir
danh hay qua!
Rafeal is my inspiration
I do totally accept your point that the fighters must abide by the rule set of the SPORT. Which was why I said that if this is world class refereeing I want nothing of it. I suppose I was including that to include the rules under which the fighters compete, but I was not clear in stating that. Sport kumite has its place, but I feel very ambivalent when I see a great karateka jumping through hoops to score when he is clearly slaughtering the opponent.
rafael is my favorite karateka,.,. I hope maybe training with him
1:56 Super Styleer Trick!
I found it a bit hard to see both refs simultaneously myself. Nevertheless, I'm not disagreeing with you about Agayev being the better fighter between the two. But this is a points based sports karate competition, and as such scoring is based on the athletes meeting several criteria at once before a point is awarded. It's easy for us to see on video after analysis and in hindsight what should have and shouldn't have scored. The referees are making an on the spot judgement call and may miss out
@bonorajunior because that's not a technique. in kumite, punches don't count. you have to apply a technique to get points.
full contact
Would you please explain how this is a collective decision? Is the referee using a flag system to determine the scoring - two assistants on the side - I looked for them and didn't see them.
But to return to my original point, Aghayev was all over the other guy, and in real life would have finished him off many times. you say he "gets away" with hip throws, and I realise they are prohibited, but learning to fight by taking things effective OUT of your karate seems particularly ill advised.
3:19 really looks like a clean face hit, but it's the jury that must see this.
because there are a lot of types of karate, which are different and can not be judged the same in the competition. You have 1 football, 1 basketball etc.. just to avoid disagreement
Who made you king of the internet? I understand the rules thank you. I just think they're nonsense.
.. contd. ... on what we can see over and over again. Sometimes a technique is not clean, as in the sweep/takedown at 1.22, was that worth a point? yes in my opinion, but the refs did not score it probably because it was not clean enough or followed up on quick enough. It's not about what's effective or what's not, its about taking advantage on what will and wont work within this framework of rules.
understand the rules before making comments please. No Hip throws. Agayev gets away with enough of these as it is due to his size.
Агаев красавчик
awesom
which man that u point at??? aghayev?? he is a champion,man...
he really is...
If this were full contact, there would have been evidence also ...
Woah dude, I'm just saying that it isn't a game..it can be a sport but that doesn't make it a game.
it really should be i reckon
1:19 Hammer Como!!! ^^
Andre beck
no alcanzo a rozarlo levemente, por lo que no llego, el azul se detuvo antes
All opinions will always be debatable, but at the end of the day, if you don't play according to the 5 judges/ref's interpretation of the rules on the day, you won't score / win. Case in point, last year's finals between Agheyev and Busa. Clearly Busa was not the better fighter (not Agheyev for that matter) however, 3 of the 5 judges saw in Busa's favour. Unlike WUKO karate (the precursor) WKF is not about the Ippon attitude, which is why there are many breakaway organisations and no Olympics.
Two magnificent athletes, and I enoy sport karate myself, but this final depicts everything that's wrong about it. Time after time Aghayev takes Beck convincingly to the floor, follows up with convincing punches to the head and still does not score the point. Fights decided by opinion are not fights at all. If this is world class refereeing, I want no part of a world class event.
thats true! but he wasnt clean enough and wasnt confident enough in his hit
Eso es karate competitivo , de la WKF y se pelea así. No porque el compita en estos torneo va a pelear así en otro enfrentamiento. Aprende a diferenciar las cosas.
Y es diGo .
haha wie er ihn fertig macht, aghayev rules!
at 3:20 clearly 3 points for blue
Rafeal is my inspiration and motivation
c'est DSK !!
rafael forever!!!!well done!!!
probably because there are 100s of world organisations with their own world championships and rules. As much as WKF would like for themselves to be considered 'karate', I'm sorry, they are not. They couldn't be further from the truth. Now with the rule changes to TKD to more points orientation, theres like very minor differences between WTF TKD and WKF Karate, just combine the 2 IMO and call it Olympic Point Fighting.
Rafeal is the legend of the Kumite
Андре? не не слышал
LOL yeah based on your comments I seriously doubt it. Furthermore it is not one man's opinion but a collective.
Im a shotokan karate player
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ya ya no te enojes chiquilla y el del video parese de bbbvvvaalllleeeetttt : )
halaldi se ne
you cant play shotokan
The K is on the way!!!!
These guys don't seem tough. Point fighting with hands down isn't a good fighting style.
dancing karate
2:53 Lockere Pause xD
1.24 улыбнуло... Рафаэль его казнит )))
haha el mejor boxeador o ¿que era karate verdad? denle una bicicleta se la pasa corriendo y solo lanza un golpe que ni forma tiene pero bueno es el nuevo deporte dijo arte marcial : l
something wrong with that human !!!
Rafeal is my best
1:11
rafail sikib aaaaaaa onun aqzin
Andre beck