Lorna Shore.... WILL RAMOS ONE TAKE And I Return To Nothingness | Vocal Coach Reaction/Analysis
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Today's videos is a first time reaction to Lorna Shore's, Will Ramos performing a one take of "And I Return To Nothingness". New music and a chance to see how Will sings all of these incredible harsh vocals by himself? You bet i'm stoked to check it out so join me if that sounds like something you want to watch as well.
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Yet again the plethora of sounds this vocalist can make is insane. We got the whole gamut this time with a close up of some of Will's articulators!
Great song to top it off too!
The tongue shape gives resonance. With the smeagol scream it causes the sound to have the rattle you hear. Kardechev Academy goes into better detail on it during his analysis of Lorna Shore.
Hey Julia! I would like you to wrap your listening gear around Cradle of Filth - Cruelty Bought Thee Orchids. Danni Filth the vocalist in my humble opinion is in the top 5 for Sméagol noises that you love and awesome Gothic Metal! 🤘🤘❤️
😎 Your metal reactions are your best imo... This is one of the main reasons I love your reactions... and also your music knowledge. When you "nerd out" on the music as much as the singing really keeps me paying attention. I wanna hear more soon... You have a permanent fan. 🤘🎸
I do voice over work for Movies and TV so I also have an invested interest of my own self education. 🎬
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@@michaeldonald9377 YES ! Danni is waiting for you ! "Bathory Aria" would also be a great start
Will is such a laid back dude. Just watching how he is during interviews, collabs etc, you can tell he's just an average guy who just so happens to be able to make demon noises.
Lorna Shore just released live concerts so you can hear what it’s like in a live setting! Listen to Of The Abyss next since it’s the only one you haven’t heard from the EP. 🙏🏼
Yes! The vocal one take 🤘
@@ubiquinoxxrosiles2766 that one take is also amazing but I’m talking about a live performance because she was curious how he would sound in a concert setting with fans. But I love that one take also
@@Fizzyford they do have a live one on revolver, th-cam.com/video/XRYYkfC28X0/w-d-xo.html
I can’t wait to see them live.
Will Ramos was such a crazy improvement for replacing Lorna Shore's original singer.
Tom is still my favorite tbh but I'm more intrigued with Tom doing Darko than I have with anything else
You should listen new track from old Lorna shore vocalist to judge honest. Those are some crazy shit.
Will replaced CJ not Tom, CJ replaced Tom (the original vocalist now in Chelsea Grin and Darko US)
@@evangalinsky2499 disgusting what happened to CJ, glad he was able to clear his name.
@@Melkor54 Wait, there was actually a conclusion to that story? Since they booted him I just moved on, but I'd love to know how it played out.
I'm so glad that Will did a one take for this song! It's my favorite from the EP.
Your description of why you like their solos is very applicable to metal I'm general.
So many heavy bands just blasts notes at you but don't write songs. Repetition is SUPER important for people to latch onto. We don't have to understand a word you're saying as long as there's a hook.
He has been crafting his voice since his mid teen years and is still until today, also developing his clean vocals and to top it all he is such a humble, cool, fun, and all around good person. His interactions with Elizabeth from The Charismatic Voice are so funny and wholesome. They've become like a big sister opera singer and lil bro death core duo lol. I love that you pointed out the musicianship ❤❤ they are all amazing artists 🤘🏻🤘🏻 we loose ourselves in Will's voice but they all deserve sooo much praise 👏🏻👏🏻
Also I love that your flight reflex has diminished to the point of disappearance. This stuff no longer scares you, and that's awesome to see.
The charismatic voice just uploaded the microscope down wills throat video. Insane
The channel The Charismatic Voice did what im sure many vocal coaches want to do, see what his throats doing. Elizabeth has a video of him making these sounds while they have a camera down his throat. Real interesting! Will is something else.
Finally someone who pronounces his name as Rah-mos. I've watched that one take so many times and every time he starts talking, I still think he's about to hit us with some mind-blowing technique. I also loved the way you described the guitarist's solo. That's the best way I've heard that put into words that I haven't been able to. This was fun to watch. Thank you!
I love the on-screen text commentary 😀!
great insights as always, thank you! Still recomending reacting to Sam Carter of Architects, also makes what he does look effortless but going from cleans to rawrs rather than Smeagol to pit of hell sounds
Royal Beggers Live would be a good start.
Big agreement on Sam Carter!
An Ordinary Extinction (Abbey Road Version) boy oh boy his vocal variance is strong
Great reaction! From some interviews he's done and some of his more recent Instagram stories, it's looking like we're going to be getting some clean vocals from him in the upcoming LP which should be interesting and I'm really excited for
Damn, this and the Ne Obliviscaris reaction in short order, Julia stepping up her game! How about Epica - Unleashed Live Retrospect for some gorgeous female vocals combined with interesting music and composition?
as someone who does extreme vocals, tongue and diaphragm are everything. To answer the question about the tongue, pushing the tongue forward allows for highs and fry screaming.
As well as getting those sick tunnel screams 💪🏻
@@TxH666 was just about to point out that he curls his tongue to the side to push the air under it for the tunnels.
@@auborddeseaux7936 yeah man. Super sick 🤘🏻
@@TxH666 🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿
Will Ramos has stunned us again but not with his usual sounds but with CLEAN vocals! Sleep Token - Hypnosis cover
This guy is insane. Lorna shore is my favorite band aside for seven spires. Which you should totally check out. That chicks vocal range is nuts.
Adrienne can give you deathcore, then switch into a showtune. So versatile.
Yes! Seven Spires! 🤘🤘🤘
Just saw Seven Spires open up for Dragonforce a week ago. She killed it!
@@wheelsofmercury soooo f****n JEALOUS
Thanks to your comment, Seven Spires has just gained another fan :D Absolutely love them and the song with the incredible Roy Khan
Absolute Banger! Can’t wait to see this one! Time to recommend an underrated deathcore band by the name of Brand of Sacrifice. All of their music is based off anime and mangas. The vocalist is Uber talented. If you do react to them I recommend doing their song “Demon King” but also doing a short cover the vocalist for “The Rumbling” the Attack on Titan intro, that way you get a full view of his range
Kyles screams is pretty decent
true, he has a similar range as Will does. Maybe not quite as extreme, but better than most others in extreme vocals. Kinda like Tom Barber and Ben Duer
Demon King is sick!
So the tongue coming forward is very important for the sound Will is getting on some of those highs. If you noticed, some of his highs have that more Smeagoly sound to them and other ones kind of sound like he's screaming through a long pvc pipe. I don't really know how else to describe it. But it's the tongue getting pushed out with the tip against the back of the bottom teeth that causes that sound.
Wow with your description of the long PVC tube, I now understand why they call it the "tunnel throat" or "tunnels" - but you're spot on the tongue is the key to that sound.
The fact he does this live too and his vocals sound pretty much the same in person as he does on the EP. I saw them in Leeds last month and was fixated on Will. Can’t wait to see Lorna shore again in a festival setting at Bloodstock in august and an arena setting with parkway drive in October. They are just pure deathcore perfection.
I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us. It's great to learn more about music. You put a lot of work into these videos and it shows.
Great song and video, to think Ramos is still a young man… we’ve got years to experience with these guys! Loved seing this that Julia
Yes! LPs for everyone! It's so good to have you back, Julia.
I rather suspect that Will's "Smeagol" voice is not actually a fry scream per se, but rather an aryepiglottic fold scream plus significant rattling from the lingual dorsum as essentially an unvoiced palatal fricative. His slow growls also seem to be produced from more than just his vestibular folds - they just have way too much depth and texture. I hear very exciting rumblings that Elizabeth got a camera down Mr Ramos's throat and can hardly wait to learn the results!!
I can't comment on the anatomy much, but seeing where the aryepiglottic folds are on the throat leads me to believe it's similar because it very much does feel like that area when I do my own screams. It feels like it comes from the upper part of the throat more than anything, best I could describe it it's like stretching out the bottom end and tightening the top.
She did wat!? I also want to learn the results.
I like your funny words magic man.
The smeagol voice is actually the easiest to do lol
I love watching Julia nerd out on things. Also Lorna Shore is 1 of my favorite bands
I remember when you struggled to listen to Jinjer, Julia! 😀You may want us to forget, but I remember! Goes to show how one grows in taste of music.
Will Ramos has such an amazing voice.. I still sit there gawping and saucer eyed when I hear him sing.😳😍
He looks bord! So freaking relaxed when making those sounds, extremely well executed
Please react too Tommy Johansson when he sings You raise me up. You will love it. He plays guitar in Sabaton and has his own band Majestica. I have followed you for a couple of months and I like your reactions. Thanks from Sweden.
You really should do the "Of the Abyss" and "To the Hellfire" vocal play throughs!
Rockin' it, Julia! as usual!
How IS it posible that in one of the best vocal coach channels in all TH-cam there IS not an Alice in Chains reaction??? How???? We must fix that. 🤗 Greetings from Spain.
I love how you enjoy with this vocal sing, saludos desde chile;
Other than the golf ball coming out of his temple he is pretty relaxed!
Thanks for being a dose of happiness.
Some subtle genius that I don’t think you mentioned: during the final chorus, when the song modulates up both times, Will follows the instruments by using a higher pitched set of screams than he did on the first two choruses that are in the original key. Really fleshes out the feeling that the song is ascending and climaxing, reaching a literal high point. So much better than if they had just used the same vocals as before. Super well thought out on Lorna’s part. Hats off to them for this entire ep and the two latest singles, they’re both excellent. Can’t wait till October for the new album!
From Jinjer Pisces to this; Lorna Shore how far have we come, love that she’s just sucking it all up😍
this was a perfect way to start my day! thanks for another awesome video Julia! who knows, maybe Will will come to the comments and answer that tongue question lol
Hey Julia, I really like your content. For me you're the most sympathic Song reactor so far, and I've seen a lot. Your musically open mind and the joy seeing you listen to new music makes me a lot of fun.
At the end I've got some recommendations for you.
1. Volbeat - Still Counting / sad man's tongue
2. SEPULTURA - Roots bloody Roots / Ratamahatta
3. Type 0 Negative - My girlfriends girlfriend / Black No. 1
I'd love to see Julia breakdown some of Andy Cizek's work! The Current, or any of his stuff with Monuments would be awesome.
What did I just hear 😳 thumbs up to the reaction portion!~John
When he curls his tongue out like that he’s actually setting the tip of his tongue on his bottom row of teeth to create this extra cavity under the tongue for the sound to travel which makes that almost zombie-like sound. It’s one of my favorite techniques to do
Man, Wil is from another galaxy. Absolutely incredible.
Lorna Shore is simply like a operatic/classical Pig Vacuum kinda metal...? LOL \m/
Thanks for yet another great video Julia!
The tongue is used to shape the cavity in the mouth. You can do this yourself if you play around with it enough. You should check out Kardavox Academy for heavy vocal analysis. He does one on To the Hellfire.
You were talking about the guitar solos. I agree that this guitarist's solos are done very tastefully in every song I've heard from this band.
I love the Smeagol reference. It is exactly what came to my mind the first time I heard him sing.
Just saw them live for the second time and they went insane as always theyre so wild live. Will the lead singer is such a unicorn. Im so glad youre exploring and being so open minded. This genre is definitely not for everyone, its so extreme compared to your Metallica reaction on BPs channel the other day. Keep it up AR! ,🔥
He is a professional at his trade!
I've been waiting since they released the ep for you to hear this one.
I'm impressed as always 💯💯🤙🤙
The tongue definitely helps. Look up Travis Ryan from Cattle Decapitation, he can do the 'smeagol' vocals but also change pitch so its like he's singing. Check out Your Disposal by them :)
Thank you once again, Julia, for a great reaction / analysis.
I think Lorna Shore have some influence from or leaning to the melodeath* sub-genre. The instrumentalists are incredible - almost as incredible as Will's vocals. I think their lead guitarist is an excellent example of what you can do if you practise your scales and arpeggios every day!
I'd love to see you react to Blackbriar - Arms of the Ocean (acoustic live).
omg julia is turning to metal head =) love it
I absolutely love love love your reactions.
I always learn something. And I'm a monster music fan. Any kind of music is game for me from Deathcore to Opera & everything in between...... 😎🤘
Wait.... Country music is still a thorn in my side 😏
We're going to need an obligatory "Infant Annihilator - Blasphemian", for reference 😆
Well, I was waiting for you to react to of the abyss because I love that song but with this one it's not that I complain either hehehehe Nice to see Julia and all your alter-egos back in the reaction game 😝
I don’t know if you have seen their new trilogy but it is amazing and heart wrenching!!! Highly recommend
Very Keen!
Would love to see your perspective on a 2 bands from India - bloodywood (song name - Aaj) and Agam (mist of capricorn or rangapura vihara)
I personally think Machi Bassad and Gaddar are better than Aaj. Again that’s just an opinion though. Never heard of Agam
@@Ro99 fun fact Agam's lead singer is senior executive at CRED and ex Google techie
Absolute god tier vocalist
He looks incredibly relaxed, but I think if you were to look at most of these vocalist in studios or having fun they look relaxed. The strained appearance is just that, it’s a look put on for shows or music videos. It doesn’t help the sound in anyway but looks good
Супер ч вас обожаю спасибо за реакцию❤
The tongue actually helps, that technique is called "tunnel throat" and you have to place the tongue like that
Curling the tongue creates a secondary place for resonance. I think you're picking up that sound as "phlegmy". Believe it's a technique called tunnel throat if I'm not mistaken.
Hey Julia! I'm really enjoying your content, so keep up the good work! If I could make a recommendation, I would strongly suggest that you check out Subterranean Masquerade, specifically their song "Nomad". There is this really great kind of live-studio-version of this song here on youtube, which they recorded on a rooftop in Haifa next to a train depot for the Counter C. festival in Japan.
This one will be worth watching. It's a shame the pop filter gets in the way of Will's face for a lot of the time, but you can clearly see at certain points that he's doing some very interesting stuff to achieve the sounds he makes.
I wonder if some part of it is hiding his technique on purpose.
Disclaimer - I don't understand any of the business dynamics around a person's tongue shape.
@@plopoplapa I very much doubt that.
@@plopoplapa who's an "expert" in harsh vocals can understand any way what he is doing, he's not hiding for some obscure reasons, don't worry. Look at kardavox academy reaction of "of the abyss" for example, he is able to understand how his tongue is placed in the mouth and reproduce something very similar to will just by hearing him.
@@alessandromalvasi7768 Mark is reacting to this one take in a few hours
@@alessandromalvasi7768 indeed, no idea what I was thinking.
Lorna shore just released a new song sun eater and its beautiful :)
Tongue placement is a huge deal when it comes to the sounds you can make while screaming. It is exactly what causes his high fry screams to sound Smeagal like
I highly recommend checking out a short video regarding “tunnel throat vocals”. This technique is what Will is using when he has his tongue rolled. This creates a zombie like sound
yes the tongue is part of the instrument. I use it a lot too to create higher and lower pitched growls. Its just part of the entire instrument :)
Julia looks like a true metal head in this one hhaha so pretty
The best display of his technique is their performance of To The Hellfire on SiriusXM, maybe check that out
that is easily one of the greatest guitar solos i have ever heard period
Awesome, Kardavox did this one just now too. Maybe collab with him some time!
It looks like what he's doing with his tongue is a type of scream called a "tunnel scream" or "tunnel throat scream" where you get almost a hollow sound with cool overtones. Will Ramos actually noted similarities to Tuvan throat singing in an interview
From my somewhat intermediate knowledge as a guitar player. His solos have lots of melody from the base of the scales he uses. The fast bits are played with what I’m guessing is alternative(up-down) picking arpeggio scales or sweep picking arpeggios. The high-pitched note ring out at the end are called pinch harmonics; which I can’t explain well so you might have to research.
For the pinch harmonics, the tldr is you artificially make the string shorter by pinching it extremely precisely after picking
This is my favorite song by them. While I love the others with the filthy breakdowns, this one drew me in with the emotion
Sticking the tongue out opens the sound within the chamber made by the shape of the mouth and the throat. Depending on whether you inhale growl or exhale growl, it changes the texture of the sound travelling down or out of the tunnel. It also makes the effect you are going for sound less contained or constrained. If you sing a note with the tongue inside the mouth and then move your tongue as you hold the note to external to the mouth, you'll hear the way the sound changes.
The tongue helps a lot. Where in cleans it would add just mumble , in these vocals though it adds more gnarly throaty sounds. Which is also mumbly
The tongue moving forward adds a lot of resonance on the top of your mouth (I think it’s known as the soft pallet) and it kinda changes up the sound to make a zombie like noise. It’s one of the coolest things I learned to do with my screams even though it’s very hard to annunciate words with your mouth in that shape 😂
I've know will Ramos personally my cousin is friends with him he's a kind sweet kind loving supportive person he also show his tongue because he showing how he does it will has told me anyone can do what he does he just takes a lot of practice
If you like the kind of gothic approach and these solos, I bet you'd enjoy Children of Bodom and the composition (and execution) talent of the regretted Alexi Laiho. Some orchestras paid tribute to his work and adapted it into classical music pieces (but they also did "guitar lessons" to play classical pieces with heavy metal guitar settings). I bet it has already been recommended a thousand times and you may already know the band but... yeah, if you don't, listening to it may be something you'd like :).
Also, I'd love to see your take on the latest Arch Enemy song and video - Handshake with Hell. Alissa does some cleans.
Since Will mainly does fry techniques it definitely helps to keep the throat mucusy and lubricated. And yes the tongue helps shape the words. And to do tunnel vocals where it sounds like two layer of a vocals high/low, it's because of his tongue shape mostly
What I believe hes doing when hes doing the "goblin-y shmeagle sound" is hes kinda folding his tongue like dolpins or Orcas do and this helps get the "shreeky" or "shmeagle" part of the sound and then sticking his tongue out more helps get that "goblin-y" blend by allowing you to move your tongue out of the way and open your through more giving you both the mid and high over tones
Would love to see you react to Lingua Ignota - "Do You Doubt Me Traitor" (No music video but don’t let that put you off). Musically its a mix between classical and industrial noise with a huge range in vocal styles from harsh vocals to more operatic singing. Kristen is a victim of domestic violence and abuse and draws a lot of inspiration from this for her songwriting, absolutely heartbreaking. For something a bit more stripped back musically, "Pennsylvania Furnace" from her latest album Sinner Get Ready.
Kristen is a queen who needs recognition!
its the tongue positioning with resonance placement often to or under the tongue instead of the usual placements with higher fry being placed in the head or roof of the mouth
I am 1 minute in and I am so impressed by his impression of the demon who lives in all of our bathtub drains
You should check out darko us. Tom barber used to be in Lorna shore before will and now he’s with Chelsea grin and does darko us as a side project and his vocals are insane too
Changing external movements of the mouth does change your sounds. When I used to scream regularly with my band, my friend one time lightly grabbed my jaw and opened and closed it in different directions. Each direction made a slightly different sound than the last. Pitch with a scream though was always done behind the uvula though. I always thought the tighter I made the hole to push air though, the higher the sound; like letting the air out of a balloon but pulling the sides of the nozzle apart. The smaller the hole you force the air out through, the more shrill the sound.
React to To The Hellfire One Take Vocal Playthrough as well as this one! PLEASE! It's beyond incredible.
Trying the tongue thing it kinda opens up the throat by pushing the tongue forward to make room for more variety of sounds... I learned something today!
Fun fact. THIS was the song that got me into lorna shore (when the music video released). Originally I had skipped all the reactions of to the hellfire. Binged them ofc after it clicked in me... But still. It was THIS song that got me. Granted, to the hellfire, and Of the Abyss are definitely my 2 most listened to of the 3... by like... a LOT. But hey, better a little late than never right?
I've never wanted to sound like someone, as fast as I have wanted to sound like Will. Alas, I'm plagued by a panic disorder that doesn't afford me the luxury of vocal coaching. What a sick cruel world we live in lol
Edit: what you have written down at 8:59 is THE EXACT REASON FOR ME GETTING INTO THE SONG IN THE FIRST PLACE. His screams... there's pitch difference naturally... but it also sounds tonal to me. I'm so glad someone else had a similar thought process to me (maybe other people did... but you actually wrote it down, so thank you!)
If you ever get a chance check out his endgame cover. You can see some more of his tongue placement a bit more on his Sméagol scream looks like he puts it to one side
The tongue thing is often used to create a tunnel like effect. Try it yourself. Try both ways, to the side and to the front bottom teeth and just talk. Try to create different spaces for the sound to move through, feel it out, you'll see.
if you were to watch the one take play throughs of the rest of the band, they are all relaxed lol especially Austin
Love it!
How about: The Pretty Reckless-25 (Unplugged)
The LP is out! Please do the pain remains trilogy!
the tongue actually help creating lots of sounds when it comes to vocals. gutteral scream are one of the few of them.