While I agree with you whole heartedly, it might be worth nothing that velociraptors were a brand new animal when Muldoon had to handle them. They had no idea how they would act and react to certain environments, so a level of distance was the wisest choice. Owen handled them amazingly but to an extent it was down to the lessons learned from the first movie. Owen and the other handlers would already know what they were capable of because of these previous events. Muldoon didn’t have that luxury.
I think Owens raptors were designed with more tameable traits as well. Remeber that both Hostkins and Wu wanted to use them for military purposes, that was the hidden idea behind the raptor program anyway..so altering their genom to be more reciprical to being tamed isnt far fetched..its stated in the books that Wu CAN make them more docile but Hammond didnt want him to. It would make sense from the stand point if Wu and Hotskins..they were testing the raptors seeing which combination of genetics would result in the best Raptor for war...this is probbaly why none of Ownes raptors are the same they all have distinct looks possibly as a result of different test genomes.
I think somethings to bear in mind are; 1- Muldoon had no sources that he could research on the raptors. Undoubtedly Grady will have done a lot of research into the animals and other similar dinosaurs and modern animals, whereas at the time of JP1 there was nothing that could be researched into the raptors as no one could actually know what their behaviour would be like. 2- Muldoon was not a raptor handler, he was head warden, and therefore had many responsibilities, if there was an issue with an animal Muldoon was there sorting it out, as with Rexy in the comics, meaning he would not have had time to build any sort of relationship with any of the animals. Grady on the other hand was head raptor trainer. Grady's entire job was the raptors, spending time with them and attempting to train them, which obviously is the reason he could build such a strong relationship with the raptors. If Grady couldn't have put time into the raptors, the same way Muldoon could not, then I think Grady would have had a far different outcome from his interactions with the animals.
@Peder Hansen Are you implying that training wild animals is "Hollywood bs"? The US Navy is able to train dolphins and there are people with no military background that is able to tame crocodiles, lions, bears, wolves, and even komodo dragons.
@Daniel Sayce I have a point of view I would like to share: What also happened that I think made a big difference is that in JP1, they infused frog DNA where there are holes in the Dino DNA. Frogs are difficult to tame, switched sexes on you when you wanted to have them only female, and eat everything that moves and fits in its mouth. I believe that if the Velociraptors were infused with bird blood, they would be much easier to tame. In the JWorld series, the velociraptors there had red eyes similar to goshawks, which are a type of raptor that is commonly trained to cooperate with humans by falconers. IDK if they were already infused with bird blood giving them eyes like that but I think that it made them easier to train for Owen. I think Muldoon had the disadvantage of training with an intelligent amphibian-instinct velociraptor, while Owen had it easier by understanding how birds behave. I would love Velociraptors infused with modern raptor DNA. Preferably Harris hawks because they are also pack hunting raptors that are the easiest to tame and handle in the falconry community.
@@justinxiao9098 I'm gonna be honest and this is gonna make me sound stupid. While I knew thay velociraptors had a common ancestor with birds today, It never really clicked that Birds of Prey were called raptors until I saw this comment 💀
@@imgvillasrc1608 yes, but they require a full-time job to do that successfully, and even then people still get killed by 'tame' animals all the time. I think what they were saying is that Muldoon just had more on his plate than Grady. He had to look after the entire park. Grady had 1 species of a mere 4 individuals. He had more time and experience with this specific species is all
As a six year-old who saw *Jurassic Park* in 1993, I've always held a deep respect for Bob Peck and his roles in both JP and "Edge of Darkness", which we're memorable. After his death in real life, it always hurt me to re-watch that scene where his "Robert Muldoon" character is killed by that raptor. Bob Peck (Muldoon) and Robert Shaw (Quint)... you will NEVER be forgotten... Another great video to pay tribute to two memorable actors, Klayton. : )
No, THANK YOU for bringing us JP fans together with this great channel and teaching us those interesting points and history we missed throughout the films. :)
Bob Peck will always be a legend. For me you can’t compare Owen and Muldoon, they are both great characters and have respect for the animals in different ways.
At the very least, he had an iconic weapon; a lever action rifle. Which most people have seen thanks to Cowboy movies, and those that look into it find out that 45-70 is probably a better bullet when compared to the SPAS-12's 12 gauge slug. So Owen's choice is a fairly decent choice if there was a situation that called for him to hunt a raptor. Not just that, but the SPAS-12 while iconic and badass, also had some issues, issues that could have been death sentences. Meanwhile Owen's Marlin had no such issues, besides being underpowered against T-Rex sized animals or Owen not firing at the Indominus Rex's head before he ran out of ammo.
@@Cryptid_Renfri not denying that. It certainly got Marlins lever actions a boost in sales. Though personally I like blued or blacken steel compared to stainless steel.
They are two entirely different characters in my opinion. Owen cares for them and wants them to treated with respect. Muldoon believes "they should all be destroyed". It all comes down to their personal experiences with them. Owen basically raised the raptors, while Muldoon was just an over-seer, watching their primitive wrath play out while feeding or attempting to escape.
I think it would have been interesting to see Muldoon if he’d had the opportunity to learn more about and work with raptors. Owen had the chance to imprint and work with the raptors; he also had access to knowledge about the raptors from what was learned between Jurassic Park and the time of his employment. I think working with the raptor squad also gave Owen experience from which he could form his own opinions. Just my thoughts! Another great video!!
I have a point of view I would like to share: What also happened that I think made a big difference is that in JP1, they infused frog DNA where there are holes in the Dino DNA. Frogs are difficult to tame, switched sexes on you when you wanted to have them only female, and eat everything that moves and fits in its mouth. I believe that if the Velociraptors were infused with bird blood, they would be much easier to tame. In the JWorld series, the velociraptors there had red eyes similar to goshawks, which are a type of raptor that is commonly trained to cooperate with humans by falconers. IDK if they were already infused with bird blood giving them eyes like that but I think that it made them easier to train for Owen. I think Muldoon had the disadvantage of training with an intelligent amphibian-instinct velociraptor, while Owen had it easier by understanding how birds behave. I would love Velociraptors infused with modern raptor DNA. Preferably Harris hawks because they are also pack hunting raptors that are the easiest to tame and handle in the falconry community.
I don’t think Muldoon would of trusted them no matter what. He was screwed as soon as he was left alone because the other person had managed to run away from the spot. They both would of been killed but they were toying with them and biding their time. That and he wasn’t the main character and he was a awesome supporting character
I feel like this is the difference between 90s zoos and modern acredited zoos. One is a tourist trap with animals, One is a wildlife Park with a Theme Park built around it.
Sadly, the animals are still imprisoned either way. Accredited or not. That being said, many animals destined for extinction in the wild may have a chance at survival due to the animals in the zoos.
Both Grady and Muldoon had their own strengths when it came to wildlife behavior. Grady was definitely more adept at handling the raptors but to be fair, at the time when Muldoon was alive, there was very little information about the raptors due largely to a lack of study and research. A lot of problems on Isla Nublar could've been avoided if the scientists had done some in depth wildlife research on Isla Sorna before even thinking about creating Jurassic Park. If they had just turned the dinosaurs loos on Sorna and observed their behavior from infant to adult, they would've had a deeper understanding of the animals and would've been better equipped to contain them.
What also happened that I think made a big difference is that in JP1, they infused frog DNA where there are holes in the Dino DNA. Frogs are difficult to tame, switched sexes on you when you wanted to have them only female, and eat everything that moves and fits in its mouth. I believe that if the Velociraptors were infused with bird blood, they would be much easier to tame. In the JWorld series, the velociraptors there had red eyes similar to goshawks, which are a type of raptor that is commonly trained to cooperate with humans by falconers. IDK if they were already infused with bird blood giving them eyes like that but I think that it made them easier to train for Owen. I think Muldoon had the disadvantage of training with an intelligent amphibian-instinct velociraptor, while Owen had it easier by understanding how birds behave. I would love Velociraptors infused with modern raptor DNA. Preferably Harris hawks because they are also pack hunting raptors that are the easiest to tame and handle in the falconry community.
I think they were too busy popping out dinosaurs as fast as they could than study them. They practically had a toxic plant with a triceratops and didn’t even consider some new plants could be fatal to dinosaurs. It took an archeologist who has no real training on extinct creature to figure out the plants were making it sick.
Well as long as we're going just off the movies I think Robert was better than Owen not because he didn't have as much knowledge as Owen but he was the first person to do this with zero knowledge of how the raptors acted, thought, or hunted. By the time jurassic world hits the screen Owen would presumably have 3 park incidents to learn from assuming Grant or Malcolm wrote books about their experiences.
I have to completely agree with you on the which one was better with raptors. Thou i feel overall with other animals on the park. Muldoon ((more his book character than movie but even so)) was more experienced with a more diverse role than owen. From what we saw owen really was only there for the raptors. While Muldoon showed a knowledge on how to hunt and recontain the animals if they got out. Along with a good knowledge on the dinosaurs as a whole ((we see this more in the book but since they are relatively the same person we can somewhat conclude)) i love both characters but i feel they fit different niches
I have a point of view I would like to share: What also happened that I think made a big difference is that in JP1, they infused frog DNA where there are holes in the Dino DNA. Frogs are difficult to tame, switched sexes on you when you wanted to have them only female, and eat everything that moves and fits in its mouth. I believe that if the Velociraptors were infused with bird blood, they would be much easier to tame. In the JWorld series, the velociraptors there had red eyes similar to goshawks, which are a type of raptor that is commonly trained to cooperate with humans by falconers. IDK if they were already infused with bird blood giving them eyes like that but I think that it made them easier to train for Owen. I think Muldoon had the disadvantage of training with an intelligent amphibian-instinct velociraptor, while Owen had it easier by understanding how birds behave. I would love Velociraptors infused with modern raptor DNA. Preferably Harris hawks because they are also pack hunting raptors that are the easiest to tame and handle in the falconry community.
that is interesting and I feel like technically they could still do that. Owen never talked about his family but they could introduce a simple retcon where he says that his dad worked for Hammond and died at Isla Nubar because of raptors
I honestly have been looking for a video like this. I really liked Muldoon as a character in both the film and novel. Owen is great as well, but Muldoon looked at the Raptors as monsters, while Owen saw them as wild animals.
And not without good reason. In the book, Muldoon saw how they could figure out how to escape their paddock and that they developed a taste for human flesh. Add to that their viscous nature and Muldoon rightly saw them as the uncontrollable killers they are. It further proves Hammond's hubris and how out of touch he was with the reality of the park. Muldoon wanted gun emplacements and LAW missiles to contain any escapees, but InGen balked at anything that would kill their "investments."
My problem with Muldoon, bad ass that he was, has always been his approach right before he died. He was supposed to be this bad ass African hunter, but he couldn't be bothered to have his weapon at the ready for when he found his prey. It took him what seemed like forever to lock the stock on his shotgun in place after he saw the raptor dead ahead in the bushes. Not to mention, for someone who was supposed to know a lot about these animals, the fact he was being led into a trap never occurred to him? Get outta here.
First off, these are genetically altered hybrid dinosaurs that no one truly knew the full extent of, not even a seasoned African outback hunter. Secondly he had his shotgun folded to conceal and keep it from getting in the way as he marched through the foliage and thirdly he wasn’t some super human like Jurassic world has pumped out with Owen, he was an actual character with flaws. He was overzealous and undermined the Raptors, he kept calm till the end but that didn’t stop his inevitable demise.
1 he didn’t pull the “stock” is because he raised the raptors and knew how they hunted basically he knew a flank was coming so he wanted a more close range setup extending the stock would make it harder to fire from the hip
meh um where did he survive? I know he survived in the novel, just like the lawyer did. Last of Muldoon that was seen in the movies was when he was getting his face chewed off
I always chalked this up as Muldoon not knowing much about these animals since they were the first of their kind but Owen and assumably others have the benefit to learn what makes the raptors tick due to history of Jurassic Park.
Good points. I think Muldoon had the edge. He knew you couldnt tame raptors. Its like trying to tame a lion. The first lion tamer was really cruel to the lions and got them to submit to him by breaking the lions will.
They say the big one killed all the others but two. How ever there where shots clearly heard at the end of that containment scene. You can't tell that a raptor could take multiple point blank shots of 5.56 and 12ga buck or more likely slugs without severe, most likely fatal injure. It is possible that the 'Big One' killed off the wounded raptor. However I think Muldoon may have had more then likely hand, probably for good reason, in death of the siblings then movie alluded to. Look at his death scene. They set up a false ambush site to allure him to the actual kill site. The big one made sure he seen it coming. This tell me that they knew Muldoon himself was capable and dangerous well as this attack was personal. The fact the other raptor held it's position even after the attack was initiated is curious in itself and could lend itself to my previous stated Theory.
I like this. They’d definitely know he was. Him being so worried about them, I bet he made frequent visits to their holding pen. And I smart as they were, after watching Muldoons interactions with the guards and other personnel, I bet the Big One deduced Muldoon was the pack alpha of the humans.
Agree with your second part, although the first part I don't. It could be just that they fired that many shots at the one raptor just to put it down quickly and make sure it stayed down.
Bazgoth Ar I agree that is a high possibility but they way they made it sound later in the movie the Big One was responsible for ALL of the siblings deaths but two. They made no mention of the park wardens having to put any down. If we can all agree that they put at least one down then that means that they where lying in that scene. Remember they where trying to convince the guest that this park was safe for operation. perhaps they were afraid that if they mentioned that they had to put some of the animals down that Alan, Ellie, and Malcolm would instantly blacklist it. Now that I think about it did they even mention to the above Trio that a person had died?
Poor Muldoon has been getting a bad rap ever since Jurassic World came out and showed that the raptors could be trained. I don't think anyone can logically deny that Owen's approach was better, but in Muldoon's defense no one had ever seen a raptor in the flesh and they couldn't have known what to expect. I imagine Hammond would have raised an eyebrow if Muldoon tried taming and bonding with the raptors. Besides, Muldoon was hired to be a park warden, not a specialized raptor trainer. Owen was hired for that specific job, and for nefarious reasons. Muldoon is still my fave character from Jurassic Park, it's a shame he has retroactively become a sort of anti-hero because of Jurassic World
I always thought he was Billy in III. I always wonder about the kids and how their lives ended up after their experiences. Especially Eric, with that two months he endured, I thought he would become some kind of adrenaline junkie.
The last I heard, the director was leaving that open to imagination, but the actual actor who played the kid has been very defensive of his role being his lol
I think you are right about quite a bit. I would also like to point out that Jurassic Park came out at a time when the advantages of using primarily (if not entirely) positive reinforcement was not as well known or mainstream for the viewing public. You can see this in the much higher amount of shock collars and choke collars that were used in training dogs or, if you want to go with something more of the same level as Jurassic Park would have been, the iconic image of the tiger and the whip that was common at that time compared to now. Animal control and training has changed a lot over the past decades.
Of course Owen is the better raptor handler, but if you look at the timeline Muldoon might not be too bad either. Animal handling in general has become more "humane" and less treating them as beasts since the early 90's and in universe, he was one of the first people to ever work with these animals, and they'd been studied for decades already when it was Owen's turn to handle them
I think the best thing that highlights how well he knows them in the books is that when he is explaining to Genaro that they bleed to slowly so the best way to kill them is to blow them up.
The bigegest difference is that Muldoon was the parks warden and responsible for the safety of the entire park. And gradys only job was to bond with 3 raptors.
Robert Muldoon : "Clever girl". Owen Grady : "Hey buddy, you thinking what I am thinking ?" Which quote is the best one ? Muldoon : Like 👍 Grady : Comment. 👇
I knew it, I knew it before you even said Quint I knew where you were going. This whole video was right on the dot exactly perfect A+ to you Klayton. Nothing more needs to be said.
Experience.. it's all about the experiences made in the first one ... I wouldn't be surprised when Owen didn't do the things he did with the Raptors in JW when they never had Raptors in the first place. .. Robert just got to work with animals no one has ever seen before... It's always easier to understand something based on the mistakes made by someone else..
The raptors during Muldoons time were species that hadn't lived for many years.. How could he be expected to control or understand a creature that had only just began to start living again.. Raptors would have been studied and researched years before the opening of JW so Owen would be more at an advantage.. Also he bonded with them from an early age.. So of course Owen would be superior.. I still have respect for Muldoon tho..
Like in real life, as more knowledge regarding certain animal species is acquired, better tecniques are developed on how to handle with them in certain situations. Like you said: Owen basically had the advantage of being dealing with an animal that was now more studied and understood, in comparison to Muldoon, who was dealing with an animal which had never been dealt with by any human. The aproach made by each man is a reflection of their way of looking at the animals but also of what they knew about them (an area on which Owen puts Muldoon on a corner, not simply, but foremost by being 20 years on the future). Also, I wouldn't call the JP dinosaurs"animals". As much as I like the movies, they're basically genetic aberrations, mixed with only-god-knows what's DNA. I believe Alan's words in the lecture in the beggining of JP3 regarding them, remain the truest: "Genetically engineered Theme Park monsters. Nothing more and nothing else".
I just want to bring up Owen Grady's quote on the indominus, which clicked when you talked about the cow. "You left her in here with no outside contact and the only thing she has to look forward to is that crane." Then something about "you turned her into a monster." (because of the way it was raised) This could go a bit towards explaining why the OG raptors were little indo's. Also, the raptor killed her siblings, much like the indominus did. A little bit of Ret-splaining for those that are paying attention.
Funny how you mentioned Quint. I found Muldoons character from the book to be alot like Robert Shaws version of Quint. Muldoon in the book was a bit of a drinker. And had an screw or 2 loose. Muldoon in the movie was scared shitless of the Raptors. His death was because he was way too focused on killing the Raptors than looking deep in at them and studing them like Owen did. "They should all be destroyed." He sees the one Raptor and is like " kill it kill it Kill it." Not where's the other two Raptors.
This is before watching the video so if I’m not seeing something in the video Maldune had a harder job he had no idea what he was getting into and there was probably over population because of Hammond
I love Owen's way of handling the Raptors. It also makes them feel more like animals. Muldoon's way of handling them makes them look like mindless monsters, wich they aren't for me. No wonder The Big One became a psycho, look how it got treathen, one reason it developed that hate towards humans.
Bastizilla it’s a predatorial animal lizard thing, way less evolved than modern species. The notion of taming them is just silly. The big ones would kill people regardless of how they are treated cuz they’re dinosaur and not some Disney-pets. They don’t develop hate for humans, they don’t hate at all. They’re just driven by instincts
He didn't treat them like mindless monsters though. He states in the film that "They show extreme intelligence, even problem solving intelligence", he clearly understands how intelligent they are, how dangerous they are. He handled them in the best way he knew how, to keep them locked up, behind plenty of security. He wouldn't have been allowed to kill them because of their financial worth, the only thing he could do was isolate them
well try to pet a shark and see how that goes... I don't know man, the raptors are supposed to be smart in the JP universe, so it makes sense for them to be tamed, they are not mindless beast at all
If I recall correctly, Grady's background also included training navy dolphins, another highly intelligent species. That's another up he had over Muldoon in terms of managing the park. Though as you say at the beginning, Owen had the advantage of knowing tat these were intelligent creatures and not necessarily ravenous monsters. Then again...the Big One was some kind of psycho.
God i love the intro music and cartoon animation for this video. This should be your intro for all your videos Klayton Fioriti ! Great content man, just try not to spoil anything from the future movie that will come out with your deep knowledge lol other then that, thumbs up!
Dude holy crap lol I didn’t even think about it till you brought it up between jaws and Jurassic Park. Both had rich guys who benefited by positive publicity and wanted bad things kept secret. Jaws had the mayor Jurassic Park have John Hammond Self proclaimed hunters/experts Jaws with the boat captain Jurassic Park with the game warden. Both took place on an island. Amity island Isla nublar Both involved kids related to the main protagonist. Jaws had Brody’s kids Jurassic Park has hammonds grand kids Kind of a stretch to say but both movies had impossible monsters Jaws super size/mutated Jurassic Park, cloned dinosaurs. I mean shit i bet you could do an entire movie and comparing both movies. Great work!
This is an interesting analysis. I feel the initial batch of Raptors might have been psychotic based on book and film descriptions of their behavior in comparison to the other dinosaurs. Muldoon saw this and it did color his opinions of them. Also since the Raptors were always fed in their pen(with only one escape killing someone in the novel before the JP incident) Muldoon doesn't have working knowledge of them in a hunting scenario, which led to his film death.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING A VIDEO FEATURING ROBERT MULDOON!!! I feel like nobody really mentions him in their reviews of Jurassic Park. He's my favorite character in the whole film of Jurassic Park. Bob Peck did an excellent job bringing his character to life.
I loved Muldoon's character in the movie and the book. For those who haven't read the book he survives, and I might be off on this but he was diagnosed with cancer around the time of the movie's filming and it wouldn't have been the same with some other actor rip Bob Peck.
wow you really did read the comments section :-) someone mentioned it would be awesome to have the comparison of quint and muldoon. they really are some characters! thanks for showing that, I'm also a big jaws fan and shaws character quint was impressive. thanks for the upload and the many other uploads! you do an incredible job, hats off, Klayton!! and as always, take it easy :-)
In the Lost World section of the Lego Jurassic World Game after the Rex is released from the boat, the 3 main characters from Jaws make a cameo on their boat in the harbor, saying the famous line "we're going to need a bigger boat." That's why I love that game. Do you think that mabye you could play it if you ever get a copy, like how you played Jurassic Park the telltale game? Mabye with Terrordome 3000 because it's way more fun with a friend. Keep up with the amazing videos, dude.
I think all we know is that Owen is a raptor trainer, while Muldoon is a game warden. Owen does his 'behavioral research' and Muldoon is in charge of protecting all dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. These roles also show that Muldoon is the rational guy and Owen bases his actions more on emotion.. we are in 2018 after all and nothing goes without sensationalism.
Grady had the benefit of hindsight and the fact that in the time span between the two events, palaeontologists probably know a lot more about these creatures than they did before
I absolutely agree. Even though i Like Muldoon, it seems to me like he didn't like working at Jurassic Park but accepted the Job since Hammond saw him as a top-notch man.. I have the Impression that some time after he started to Work at JP he realized what he's gotten himself into and since then just reacted by instinct (survival and protection) rather than logical. To simplify it Muldoon was more of a Classic Zookeeper while Grady is an Animal Trainer. On the other hand you can't blame Muldoon since he and InGen were stepping foot on unknown territory. To quote Alan Grant: "Dinosaurs and man, two species separated by 65 million years of evolution have just been suddenly thrown back into the mix together. How can we possibly have the slightest idea what to expect?"
1: I love any video you release in regards to Muldoon (and/or) the raptors. 2: I think Owen was better with the raptors vs Muldoon because he imprinted on them when they were young AND didn't see them or treat them like his enemies. Muldoon was already a hunter when he started working at Jurassic Park so he may have immediately tried to find weaknesses and strengths of the raptors as a means of 'how do I end them before they end me?' and tried to force his way into dominance. From what I can see it was mainly trial and error/learning as you go with the enclosure being upgraded and having to feed them a certain way. 3: As I'm certain we all know neither Muldoon nor Owen had control over the raptors but we see that Owen's raptors respected him more and held him in somewhat high regard vs Muldoon's raptors who saw seen him as a foe.
I like the story won't reveal anything but would have to say the character Franklin is reminiscent of the young man in the lost world novel that stowed away and I think parts are surprising
I got to say at first when I saw the header for this video I was like do we really need this? After watching the video you made some real great comparisons and observations that I didn't even think about. Well done sir
I love your videos. I have had an interest in Jurassic park for years, but mostly as a casual fan. It is great to learn new details and gain new insights into the world. Thanks for the quality videos; keep it up.
Klayton Fioriti the last few times you talked about Muldoon was either in the top ten Jurassic park deaths video or the one when in the novel of the tranquilizing the T. rex. Who did you think was a better raptor handler? My personal opinion on that topic was in terms of the treatment of the animals is Grady, though I sometimes prefer Muldoon if the animals do go crazy and get out of control.
I’ve worked with animals for most of my life and have learned that it’s better to respect an animal than to fear it, otherwise you’ll never truly be able understand its behavior and how to interact with it. Muldoon’s character was very well written in this regard because as a hunter, he sees the world through his old school irrationality that mankind is meant to kill & dominate wild “beasts.” His actions show that he didn’t reflect on his wisdom because he either underestimated or failed to interpret their intellect & capabilities as a pack, and they got the better of him. Owen would’ve never made that mistake. PS, I love it when you leave your posts open for discussion like this. Great channel!
Pretty sure that if Robert made it out alive in the first movie and saw what they were doing in Jurassic world, that he wouldn't hesitate to put a bullet in Blue and her siblings skulls.
So Klayton, which UK cinema are you seeing the movie in? Also are you going to a day one showing? I'll warn you, there are 15 - 20 minutes of ads before the movie and 10 minutes of trailers. It's standard before movies here, be warned. :) I'll be going to my local cinema on release. I'm so excited!
Yeah, the difference is clear. Muldoon is an interesting character with dimensions. Grady is a one-dimensional action hero stuck in the confines of the more grounded Jurassic Park franchise (though JW:FK may add more to his being). DOWNVOTE ME, YOU CHRIS PRATT FOOLIGANS.
TheSkyheart5 That's pretty much what it was, and she only had very little development. Most of her development has come from secondary info like the DPG website...
Only thing we know about muldoon is that he's a hunter & knows some stuff about raptors. We know more about grady. We know he & claire in a relationship. We know about his funny dating skills. We know They still love each other. We know where he lives. He has better sense of humor. We know his relationship with some of the raptors. & his experience with the raptors kept him alive unlike muldoon. Owen grady wins. This is obviously because grady has more screentime but that's beside the point.
I've already seen Fallen Kingdom and his character really doesn't change much. He's given a bit more depth and his relationship with Blue is explained a bit more, but he's still a superhuman that succeeds at everything with minimal risk or cost and knows the solution to everything.
Mine would also be the juvenile rex and the in my opinion much better version of the character Donald Gennaro. But I also really wish that the movie included the aviary.
Muldoon is hardly a deep character. Stop letting nostalgia blind you. God, this is why I always hate the "old guard" of any fandom that's been around for a while. The people who have been in it longer tend to be total douchebags who hate anything new.
Z Man7 well he's played by the same actor but the characters have little more than that in common. Owen is guided by his experience and morales, starlord is guided by his emotions and desires. Character wise it's like comparing a child who was captured by pirates and forced into piracy and a fully developed adult who served his country in the armed forces and then retired to research and handle extremely dangerous animals... Oh hang on a second...
Dude you deserve millions of subs man, I love the vid when Ian Malcom proves that Jurassic park will fail when you read that out I knew straight away I had to get the book and pls do stuff like that again.
Steven Spielberg didn't want to kill Muldoon off. At least, not so soon. Unfortunately, the actor who played Muldoon, Robert Peck, decided to no longer take part in the movie after he became increasingly ill, and was diagnosed with terminal cancer. Peck died on April 4th 1999 of said cancer.
While I agree with you whole heartedly, it might be worth nothing that velociraptors were a brand new animal when Muldoon had to handle them. They had no idea how they would act and react to certain environments, so a level of distance was the wisest choice. Owen handled them amazingly but to an extent it was down to the lessons learned from the first movie. Owen and the other handlers would already know what they were capable of because of these previous events. Muldoon didn’t have that luxury.
VERY, very true! :D
On that note...they essentially raised the Indominus Rex in similar conditions to the first raptors.
TheSkyheart5 That's a great point.
I think Owens raptors were designed with more tameable traits as well. Remeber that both Hostkins and Wu wanted to use them for military purposes, that was the hidden idea behind the raptor program anyway..so altering their genom to be more reciprical to being tamed isnt far fetched..its stated in the books that Wu CAN make them more docile but Hammond didnt want him to. It would make sense from the stand point if Wu and Hotskins..they were testing the raptors seeing which combination of genetics would result in the best Raptor for war...this is probbaly why none of Ownes raptors are the same they all have distinct looks possibly as a result of different test genomes.
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And why is that?
Make a claim; give a reason.
If only bob peck aka Robert Muldoon could shed some light on this subject. Unfortunately, he died April 4th, 1999 due to cancer. May he rest in peace🙏
CrazeeLovableCrocGirl my aunt knew him- wonderful man apparently
Kimberley Smith sadly, me was too young to know such a man
RIP
Bob Peck, Pete Posthelwaite and Richard Attenborough all would have been great to see in further JP films.
@@kimberleysmith818 how did you aunt know him if you don’t mind me asking?
I think somethings to bear in mind are;
1- Muldoon had no sources that he could research on the raptors. Undoubtedly Grady will have done a lot of research into the animals and other similar dinosaurs and modern animals, whereas at the time of JP1 there was nothing that could be researched into the raptors as no one could actually know what their behaviour would be like.
2- Muldoon was not a raptor handler, he was head warden, and therefore had many responsibilities, if there was an issue with an animal Muldoon was there sorting it out, as with Rexy in the comics, meaning he would not have had time to build any sort of relationship with any of the animals. Grady on the other hand was head raptor trainer. Grady's entire job was the raptors, spending time with them and attempting to train them, which obviously is the reason he could build such a strong relationship with the raptors.
If Grady couldn't have put time into the raptors, the same way Muldoon could not, then I think Grady would have had a far different outcome from his interactions with the animals.
@Peder Hansen Are you implying that training wild animals is "Hollywood bs"? The US Navy is able to train dolphins and there are people with no military background that is able to tame crocodiles, lions, bears, wolves, and even komodo dragons.
@Daniel Sayce
I have a point of view I would like to share:
What also happened that I think made a big difference is that in JP1, they infused frog DNA where there are holes in the Dino DNA. Frogs are difficult to tame, switched sexes on you when you wanted to have them only female, and eat everything that moves and fits in its mouth.
I believe that if the Velociraptors were infused with bird blood, they would be much easier to tame.
In the JWorld series, the velociraptors there had red eyes similar to goshawks, which are a type of raptor that is commonly trained to cooperate with humans by falconers.
IDK if they were already infused with bird blood giving them eyes like that but I think that it made them easier to train for Owen.
I think Muldoon had the disadvantage of training with an intelligent amphibian-instinct velociraptor, while Owen had it easier by understanding how birds behave.
I would love Velociraptors infused with modern raptor DNA. Preferably Harris hawks because they are also pack hunting raptors that are the easiest to tame and handle in the falconry community.
The biggest difference is that Muldoon is dead Grady isn't
@@justinxiao9098 I'm gonna be honest and this is gonna make me sound stupid. While I knew thay velociraptors had a common ancestor with birds today, It never really clicked that Birds of Prey were called raptors until I saw this comment 💀
@@imgvillasrc1608 yes, but they require a full-time job to do that successfully, and even then people still get killed by 'tame' animals all the time.
I think what they were saying is that Muldoon just had more on his plate than Grady. He had to look after the entire park. Grady had 1 species of a mere 4 individuals. He had more time and experience with this specific species is all
Muldoon also had a cool hat, Grady did not.
lol
This right here is the best point ever made.
Tyrannical Rex
But did Muldoon have a vintage Harley Davidson? Nope.
But Owen Grady did.
He's definitely an Aussie
Meanwhile, Owen had a cool vest, Muldoon did not
As a six year-old who saw *Jurassic Park* in 1993, I've always held a deep respect for Bob Peck and his roles in both JP and "Edge of Darkness", which we're memorable. After his death in real life, it always hurt me to re-watch that scene where his "Robert Muldoon" character is killed by that raptor. Bob Peck (Muldoon) and Robert Shaw (Quint)... you will NEVER be forgotten...
Another great video to pay tribute to two memorable actors, Klayton. : )
Hey thanks man! :D
No, THANK YOU for bringing us JP fans together with this great channel and teaching us those interesting points and history we missed throughout the films. :)
Maybe Bebi in the book he survives as well as an incident where he gets drunk and taunts the raptors with a rocket launcher
Bob Peck will always be a legend. For me you can’t compare Owen and Muldoon, they are both great characters and have respect for the animals in different ways.
Just imagine him as the Muldoon from the novel. Killed rexy and blew up a raptor with an RPG. A true legend
And Grady wasn't able to create that much tension by unfolding the stock of his gun!
At the very least, he had an iconic weapon; a lever action rifle. Which most people have seen thanks to Cowboy movies, and those that look into it find out that 45-70 is probably a better bullet when compared to the SPAS-12's 12 gauge slug. So Owen's choice is a fairly decent choice if there was a situation that called for him to hunt a raptor. Not just that, but the SPAS-12 while iconic and badass, also had some issues, issues that could have been death sentences. Meanwhile Owen's Marlin had no such issues, besides being underpowered against T-Rex sized animals or Owen not firing at the Indominus Rex's head before he ran out of ammo.
@@keegantripp1245 Owen's 45-70 is one of the most beautiful looking guns in cinema, to my eye at least
@@Cryptid_Renfri not denying that. It certainly got Marlins lever actions a boost in sales. Though personally I like blued or blacken steel compared to stainless steel.
Ive heard Muldoon was suppose to originally survive Jurassic Park similar to his book counter part but was changed by Spielberg later on.
If you look at the book maldune had a point about the raptors since in that book they were arguably more intelligent and more deadly
exactly, you cant blame muldoon for treated the raptors like genetically engineered monsters. oh wait
They are two entirely different characters in my opinion. Owen cares for them and wants them to treated with respect. Muldoon believes "they should all be destroyed". It all comes down to their personal experiences with them. Owen basically raised the raptors, while Muldoon was just an over-seer, watching their primitive wrath play out while feeding or attempting to escape.
Also Muldoon witnessed Jophrey being killed.
I think it would have been interesting to see Muldoon if he’d had the opportunity to learn more about and work with raptors. Owen had the chance to imprint and work with the raptors; he also had access to knowledge about the raptors from what was learned between Jurassic Park and the time of his employment. I think working with the raptor squad also gave Owen experience from which he could form his own opinions. Just my thoughts! Another great video!!
I have a point of view I would like to share:
What also happened that I think made a big difference is that in JP1, they infused frog DNA where there are holes in the Dino DNA. Frogs are difficult to tame, switched sexes on you when you wanted to have them only female, and eat everything that moves and fits in its mouth.
I believe that if the Velociraptors were infused with bird blood, they would be much easier to tame.
In the JWorld series, the velociraptors there had red eyes similar to goshawks, which are a type of raptor that is commonly trained to cooperate with humans by falconers.
IDK if they were already infused with bird blood giving them eyes like that but I think that it made them easier to train for Owen.
I think Muldoon had the disadvantage of training with an intelligent amphibian-instinct velociraptor, while Owen had it easier by understanding how birds behave.
I would love Velociraptors infused with modern raptor DNA. Preferably Harris hawks because they are also pack hunting raptors that are the easiest to tame and handle in the falconry community.
I don’t think Muldoon would of trusted them no matter what. He was screwed as soon as he was left alone because the other person had managed to run away from the spot. They both would of been killed but they were toying with them and biding their time.
That and he wasn’t the main character and he was a awesome supporting character
Muldoon is so badass he made those khakis look cool 😎
Dont forget the socks haha
The socks have always bothered me 😛
Who wears short shorts lol Muldoon wears short shorts
Incorrect, sir. Muldoon simply wore khakis. STEVE IRWIN made them look cool.
I think i'm just gonna rock a Muldoon outfit for the next summer bc he did make it look cool..even if i still giggle at seeing those socks
"a bit of an alarmist, but knows more about raptors than anyone." John Hammond on Muldoon
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doesn't mean it was true..
charlesdcw1990 Anyone of that time period, that is.
Randy Loyd 3 actually I think he meant that he knows more than anyone currently employed at the park.
He knew more than anyone else alive because no one else had experience with live raptors.. It wasn't much, but still.
I feel like this is the difference between 90s zoos and modern acredited zoos. One is a tourist trap with animals, One is a wildlife Park with a Theme Park built around it.
I assure you... the tourist traps still exist in full force...
Sadly, the animals are still imprisoned either way. Accredited or not. That being said, many animals destined for extinction in the wild may have a chance at survival due to the animals in the zoos.
Both Grady and Muldoon had their own strengths when it came to wildlife behavior. Grady was definitely more adept at handling the raptors but to be fair, at the time when Muldoon was alive, there was very little information about the raptors due largely to a lack of study and research. A lot of problems on Isla Nublar could've been avoided if the scientists had done some in depth wildlife research on Isla Sorna before even thinking about creating Jurassic Park. If they had just turned the dinosaurs loos on Sorna and observed their behavior from infant to adult, they would've had a deeper understanding of the animals and would've been better equipped to contain them.
Plus there wasn't the internet. Well there was but google wasn't a company then I don't think.
What also happened that I think made a big difference is that in JP1, they infused frog DNA where there are holes in the Dino DNA. Frogs are difficult to tame, switched sexes on you when you wanted to have them only female, and eat everything that moves and fits in its mouth.
I believe that if the Velociraptors were infused with bird blood, they would be much easier to tame.
In the JWorld series, the velociraptors there had red eyes similar to goshawks, which are a type of raptor that is commonly trained to cooperate with humans by falconers.
IDK if they were already infused with bird blood giving them eyes like that but I think that it made them easier to train for Owen.
I think Muldoon had the disadvantage of training with an intelligent amphibian-instinct velociraptor, while Owen had it easier by understanding how birds behave.
I would love Velociraptors infused with modern raptor DNA. Preferably Harris hawks because they are also pack hunting raptors that are the easiest to tame and handle in the falconry community.
I think they were too busy popping out dinosaurs as fast as they could than study them. They practically had a toxic plant with a triceratops and didn’t even consider some new plants could be fatal to dinosaurs. It took an archeologist who has no real training on extinct creature to figure out the plants were making it sick.
Well as long as we're going just off the movies I think Robert was better than Owen not because he didn't have as much knowledge as Owen but he was the first person to do this with zero knowledge of how the raptors acted, thought, or hunted. By the time jurassic world hits the screen Owen would presumably have 3 park incidents to learn from assuming Grant or Malcolm wrote books about their experiences.
I have to completely agree with you on the which one was better with raptors. Thou i feel overall with other animals on the park. Muldoon ((more his book character than movie but even so)) was more experienced with a more diverse role than owen. From what we saw owen really was only there for the raptors. While Muldoon showed a knowledge on how to hunt and recontain the animals if they got out. Along with a good knowledge on the dinosaurs as a whole ((we see this more in the book but since they are relatively the same person we can somewhat conclude)) i love both characters but i feel they fit different niches
I have a point of view I would like to share:
What also happened that I think made a big difference is that in JP1, they infused frog DNA where there are holes in the Dino DNA. Frogs are difficult to tame, switched sexes on you when you wanted to have them only female, and eat everything that moves and fits in its mouth.
I believe that if the Velociraptors were infused with bird blood, they would be much easier to tame.
In the JWorld series, the velociraptors there had red eyes similar to goshawks, which are a type of raptor that is commonly trained to cooperate with humans by falconers.
IDK if they were already infused with bird blood giving them eyes like that but I think that it made them easier to train for Owen.
I think Muldoon had the disadvantage of training with an intelligent amphibian-instinct velociraptor, while Owen had it easier by understanding how birds behave.
I would love Velociraptors infused with modern raptor DNA. Preferably Harris hawks because they are also pack hunting raptors that are the easiest to tame and handle in the falconry community.
@@justinxiao9098 not gonna lie love this reply 10/10
difference ? you wanna know the difference boi ? he didn’t say : clever girl....
Before Jurassic World came out I thought Owen Grady would be Robert Muldoon’s son or something
I wish! That would've been awesome!
Interesting
that is interesting and I feel like technically they could still do that. Owen never talked about his family but they could introduce a simple retcon where he says that his dad worked for Hammond and died at Isla Nubar because of raptors
I honestly have been looking for a video like this. I really liked Muldoon as a character in both the film and novel. Owen is great as well, but Muldoon looked at the Raptors as monsters, while Owen saw them as wild animals.
And not without good reason. In the book, Muldoon saw how they could figure out how to escape their paddock and that they developed a taste for human flesh. Add to that their viscous nature and Muldoon rightly saw them as the uncontrollable killers they are. It further proves Hammond's hubris and how out of touch he was with the reality of the park. Muldoon wanted gun emplacements and LAW missiles to contain any escapees, but InGen balked at anything that would kill their "investments."
That story in Jaws still gives me chills!!! Love it!!!
Guitarded And Broke Why jaws? This is Jurrasic Park! Edit: I just finished the whole video! Sorry!
Salebolen! No worries!!! 😀
You do know that actually happened right. They didn't make it up for jaws
My problem with Muldoon, bad ass that he was, has always been his approach right before he died. He was supposed to be this bad ass African hunter, but he couldn't be bothered to have his weapon at the ready for when he found his prey. It took him what seemed like forever to lock the stock on his shotgun in place after he saw the raptor dead ahead in the bushes. Not to mention, for someone who was supposed to know a lot about these animals, the fact he was being led into a trap never occurred to him? Get outta here.
First off, these are genetically altered hybrid dinosaurs that no one truly knew the full extent of, not even a seasoned African outback hunter. Secondly he had his shotgun folded to conceal and keep it from getting in the way as he marched through the foliage and thirdly he wasn’t some super human like Jurassic world has pumped out with Owen, he was an actual character with flaws. He was overzealous and undermined the Raptors, he kept calm till the end but that didn’t stop his inevitable demise.
Hmm maybe cause he had only witnessed the raptors in their cage and not out in the open
1 he didn’t pull the “stock” is because he raised the raptors and knew how they hunted
basically he knew a flank was coming so he wanted a more close range setup
extending the stock would make it harder to fire from the hip
Shawn Conder oh and btw Muldoon survived
so your argument is invalid lmao
meh um where did he survive? I know he survived in the novel, just like the lawyer did. Last of Muldoon that was seen in the movies was when he was getting his face chewed off
Before watching the video
One lived
One died
One actually shot his gun
One didn't
Who didn't shot his gun? Owen? He did at the Indominus.
XxX_SpinozillaX_XxX Saurian no Muldoon
Never shot his spas 12 once
oh
No he gets a shot off as the big one pounces on him
Steel 74 mouldoon lives in the book
I always chalked this up as Muldoon not knowing much about these animals since they were the first of their kind but Owen and assumably others have the benefit to learn what makes the raptors tick due to history of Jurassic Park.
Presumably*
Assumedly is also a word but doesn't mean the same as presumably.
Assumably is not a word.
You're welcome.
@@nonamenoname5298 your*
Klayton, I love your videos and am glad to find an avid Jurassic Park fan such as me.
Also RIP Bob Peck.
Good points. I think Muldoon had the edge. He knew you couldnt tame raptors. Its like trying to tame a lion. The first lion tamer was really cruel to the lions and got them to submit to him by breaking the lions will.
I'd like to have a beer, or 7... with both of them haha - Jacob
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They say the big one killed all the others but two. How ever there where shots clearly heard at the end of that containment scene. You can't tell that a raptor could take multiple point blank shots of 5.56 and 12ga buck or more likely slugs without severe, most likely fatal injure. It is possible that the 'Big One' killed off the wounded raptor. However I think Muldoon may have had more then likely hand, probably for good reason, in death of the siblings then movie alluded to.
Look at his death scene. They set up a false ambush site to allure him to the actual kill site. The big one made sure he seen it coming. This tell me that they knew Muldoon himself was capable and dangerous well as this attack was personal. The fact the other raptor held it's position even after the attack was initiated is curious in itself and could lend itself to my previous stated Theory.
Michael Malone
I like it...this is not only very possible, its downright likely.
I like this. They’d definitely know he was. Him being so worried about them, I bet he made frequent visits to their holding pen. And I smart as they were, after watching Muldoons interactions with the guards and other personnel, I bet the Big One deduced Muldoon was the pack alpha of the humans.
Agree with your second part, although the first part I don't. It could be just that they fired that many shots at the one raptor just to put it down quickly and make sure it stayed down.
Bazgoth Ar I agree that is a high possibility but they way they made it sound later in the movie the Big One was responsible for ALL of the siblings deaths but two. They made no mention of the park wardens having to put any down. If we can all agree that they put at least one down then that means that they where lying in that scene.
Remember they where trying to convince the guest that this park was safe for operation. perhaps they were afraid that if they mentioned that they had to put some of the animals down that Alan, Ellie, and Malcolm would instantly blacklist it. Now that I think about it did they even mention to the above Trio that a person had died?
What if muldoon killed all the Raptors but 2 and those 2 never forgot. Not necessarily planned to kill him like that but saw him as a major threat
Poor Muldoon has been getting a bad rap ever since Jurassic World came out and showed that the raptors could be trained. I don't think anyone can logically deny that Owen's approach was better, but in Muldoon's defense no one had ever seen a raptor in the flesh and they couldn't have known what to expect. I imagine Hammond would have raised an eyebrow if Muldoon tried taming and bonding with the raptors. Besides, Muldoon was hired to be a park warden, not a specialized raptor trainer. Owen was hired for that specific job, and for nefarious reasons. Muldoon is still my fave character from Jurassic Park, it's a shame he has retroactively become a sort of anti-hero because of Jurassic World
I wonder if the kid that was in JP that Grant taunted in revenge was Owen
i think it has been confirmed that its not Owen
yeah, its not Owen.
I always thought he was Billy in III. I always wonder about the kids and how their lives ended up after their experiences. Especially Eric, with that two months he endured, I thought he would become some kind of adrenaline junkie.
The last I heard, the director was leaving that open to imagination, but the actual actor who played the kid has been very defensive of his role being his lol
The kid go to the Pacific front with Zero's flying above him. Directed by Spielberg and Tom Hanks
I think you are right about quite a bit. I would also like to point out that Jurassic Park came out at a time when the advantages of using primarily (if not entirely) positive reinforcement was not as well known or mainstream for the viewing public. You can see this in the much higher amount of shock collars and choke collars that were used in training dogs or, if you want to go with something more of the same level as Jurassic Park would have been, the iconic image of the tiger and the whip that was common at that time compared to now. Animal control and training has changed a lot over the past decades.
Imagine if Robert was able to train the Raptors, I would see the movie going way differently
VERY differently
Of course Owen is the better raptor handler, but if you look at the timeline Muldoon might not be too bad either. Animal handling in general has become more "humane" and less treating them as beasts since the early 90's and in universe, he was one of the first people to ever work with these animals, and they'd been studied for decades already when it was Owen's turn to handle them
The book version of Muldoon had a much better handle on what the raptors were like even though he was a drunk.
100% agree!
I think the best thing that highlights how well he knows them in the books is that when he is explaining to Genaro that they bleed to slowly so the best way to kill them is to blow them up.
The main difference is one has to make friends with dinosaurs to live while the other single handedly killed rexy
Me: *See's title*
Me: "Let me count the ways..."
I literally hit the like button before your intro is even finished on each video, and this is why. Great stuff
The bigegest difference is that Muldoon was the parks warden and responsible for the safety of the entire park. And gradys only job was to bond with 3 raptors.
"Clever girl." -Robert Muldoon
"Clever girl." -Doug Quaid
Robert Muldoon : "Clever girl".
Owen Grady : "Hey buddy, you thinking what I am thinking ?"
Which quote is the best one ?
Muldoon : Like 👍
Grady : Comment. 👇
Raptor: “Did you know 1+1=2?”
Muldoon: “Clever girl”
I knew it, I knew it before you even said Quint I knew where you were going. This whole video was right on the dot exactly perfect A+ to you Klayton. Nothing more needs to be said.
Wow! Thank you I greatly appreciate that! :D
Experience.. it's all about the experiences made in the first one ... I wouldn't be surprised when Owen didn't do the things he did with the Raptors in JW when they never had Raptors in the first place. .. Robert just got to work with animals no one has ever seen before...
It's always easier to understand something based on the mistakes made by someone else..
That is exatcly same sentence that i wanted to say.
Well ... technically I wasn't the first one who said that :'D
Someone else was 2 minutes faster than me ...
The raptors during Muldoons time were species that hadn't lived for many years.. How could he be expected to control or understand a creature that had only just began to start living again.. Raptors would have been studied and researched years before the opening of JW so Owen would be more at an advantage.. Also he bonded with them from an early age.. So of course Owen would be superior.. I still have respect for Muldoon tho..
Larissa Chin Let's also not forget that the raptors of the first film were known to be more violent than the ones of Jurassic World.
kenpoarniceguy1 True!
Like in real life, as more knowledge regarding certain animal species is acquired, better tecniques are developed on how to handle with them in certain situations. Like you said: Owen basically had the advantage of being dealing with an animal that was now more studied and understood, in comparison to Muldoon, who was dealing with an animal which had never been dealt with by any human. The aproach made by each man is a reflection of their way of looking at the animals but also of what they knew about them (an area on which Owen puts Muldoon on a corner, not simply, but foremost by being 20 years on the future).
Also, I wouldn't call the JP dinosaurs"animals".
As much as I like the movies, they're basically genetic aberrations, mixed with only-god-knows what's DNA.
I believe Alan's words in the lecture in the beggining of JP3 regarding them, remain the truest: "Genetically engineered Theme Park monsters. Nothing more and nothing else".
I just want to bring up Owen Grady's quote on the indominus, which clicked when you talked about the cow. "You left her in here with no outside contact and the only thing she has to look forward to is that crane." Then something about "you turned her into a monster." (because of the way it was raised) This could go a bit towards explaining why the OG raptors were little indo's. Also, the raptor killed her siblings, much like the indominus did. A little bit of Ret-splaining for those that are paying attention.
Funny how you mentioned Quint. I found Muldoons character from the book to be alot like Robert Shaws version of Quint. Muldoon in the book was a bit of a drinker. And had an screw or 2 loose. Muldoon in the movie was scared shitless of the Raptors. His death was because he was way too focused on killing the Raptors than looking deep in at them and studing them like Owen did. "They should all be destroyed." He sees the one Raptor and is like " kill it kill it Kill it." Not where's the other two Raptors.
This is before watching the video so if I’m not seeing something in the video
Maldune had a harder job he had no idea what he was getting into and there was probably over population because of Hammond
I love Owen's way of handling the Raptors. It also makes them feel more like animals. Muldoon's way of handling them makes them look like mindless monsters, wich they aren't for me. No wonder The Big One became a psycho, look how it got treathen, one reason it developed that hate towards humans.
Bastizilla it’s a predatorial animal lizard thing, way less evolved than modern species. The notion of taming them is just silly. The big ones would kill people regardless of how they are treated cuz they’re dinosaur and not some Disney-pets. They don’t develop hate for humans, they don’t hate at all. They’re just driven by instincts
Gromgi Grudgebearer exactly.
Lol. They went as far to say they are lethal at 8 months old and you wanna try to be the raptor whisperer? Good luck with that.
He didn't treat them like mindless monsters though. He states in the film that "They show extreme intelligence, even problem solving intelligence", he clearly understands how intelligent they are, how dangerous they are. He handled them in the best way he knew how, to keep them locked up, behind plenty of security. He wouldn't have been allowed to kill them because of their financial worth, the only thing he could do was isolate them
well try to pet a shark and see how that goes... I don't know man, the raptors are supposed to be smart in the JP universe, so it makes sense for them to be tamed, they are not mindless beast at all
One was in a good movie, the other is in a sequel.
Great you considered my idea next should be Ralph VS Peter Ludlow ( good start gonna be a great series)
Muh boy, Klayton knocking it out of the park again. Love your videos. Keep it up.
Hey thank you! :D
If I recall correctly, Grady's background also included training navy dolphins, another highly intelligent species. That's another up he had over Muldoon in terms of managing the park. Though as you say at the beginning, Owen had the advantage of knowing tat these were intelligent creatures and not necessarily ravenous monsters. Then again...the Big One was some kind of psycho.
God i love the intro music and cartoon animation for this video. This should be your intro for all your videos Klayton Fioriti ! Great content man, just try not to spoil anything from the future movie that will come out with your deep knowledge lol other then that, thumbs up!
I think Owen is not badass like Muldoon and
Muldoon Didn't deserve to die :(
Agreed
Didn't he survive in the book?
yes,he did survive in the book and he was more BADASS
Can Deniz he also survived every version of the movie script until the final one lol
@@candeniz5999 I bet Pete Postlethwaite's character in the Lost World was the replacement of Muldoon.
Dude holy crap lol
I didn’t even think about it till you brought it up between jaws and Jurassic Park.
Both had rich guys who benefited by positive publicity and wanted bad things kept secret.
Jaws had the mayor
Jurassic Park have John Hammond
Self proclaimed hunters/experts
Jaws with the boat captain
Jurassic Park with the game warden.
Both took place on an island.
Amity island
Isla nublar
Both involved kids related to the main protagonist.
Jaws had Brody’s kids
Jurassic Park has hammonds grand kids
Kind of a stretch to say but both movies had impossible monsters
Jaws super size/mutated
Jurassic Park, cloned dinosaurs.
I mean shit i bet you could do an entire movie and comparing both movies.
Great work!
Muldoon = extreme badass and easily best character in franchise
Muldoon is still my favourite character
#ripRobertmuldoon
#ripjurrasicworld
Great video Klayton
This is an interesting analysis. I feel the initial batch of Raptors might have been psychotic based on book and film descriptions of their behavior in comparison to the other dinosaurs. Muldoon saw this and it did color his opinions of them. Also since the Raptors were always fed in their pen(with only one escape killing someone in the novel before the JP incident) Muldoon doesn't have working knowledge of them in a hunting scenario, which led to his film death.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING A VIDEO FEATURING ROBERT MULDOON!!! I feel like nobody really mentions him in their reviews of Jurassic Park. He's my favorite character in the whole film of Jurassic Park. Bob Peck did an excellent job bringing his character to life.
Klayton... Clever Guys...
I loved Muldoon's character in the movie and the book. For those who haven't read the book he survives, and I might be off on this but he was diagnosed with cancer around the time of the movie's filming and it wouldn't have been the same with some other actor rip Bob Peck.
It's a game trail Ludlow carnivores hunt on game trails. Roland Timbo is one of my favorite Characters in the JP Franchise.
wow you really did read the comments section :-) someone mentioned it would be awesome to have the comparison of quint and muldoon. they really are some characters! thanks for showing that, I'm also a big jaws fan and shaws character quint was impressive. thanks for the upload and the many other uploads! you do an incredible job, hats off, Klayton!! and as always, take it easy :-)
Hey thanks man! :D That means a lot! :)
hey klayton! could u make a video about the history of the stegosaurs?
Coming in a week or so :D
Yoooooo you got a pin my dude!
thanks!
Seriously awesome video! Great work!
Roland is the boss
Agree 100% haha
In the Lost World section of the Lego Jurassic World Game after the Rex is released from the boat, the 3 main characters from Jaws make a cameo on their boat in the harbor, saying the famous line "we're going to need a bigger boat." That's why I love that game. Do you think that mabye you could play it if you ever get a copy, like how you played Jurassic Park the telltale game? Mabye with Terrordome 3000 because it's way more fun with a friend. Keep up with the amazing videos, dude.
Was Owen a Park Warden?
I think he was high ranking but idk about Park Warden
yeah idk. I doubt you would get corrected if you called him that in front of other personnel
wasnt hoskins head of security at JW and i think clair refers to owen as head of the raptor training unit or somthing
I think all we know is that Owen is a raptor trainer, while Muldoon is a game warden. Owen does his 'behavioral research' and Muldoon is in charge of protecting all dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. These roles also show that Muldoon is the rational guy and Owen bases his actions more on emotion.. we are in 2018 after all and nothing goes without sensationalism.
Owen was just Head of the Raptor Program
Grady had the benefit of hindsight and the fact that in the time span between the two events, palaeontologists probably know a lot more about these creatures than they did before
Fantastic video!
I absolutely agree. Even though i Like Muldoon, it seems to me like he didn't like working at Jurassic Park but accepted the Job since Hammond saw him as a top-notch man.. I have the Impression that some time after he started to Work at JP he realized what he's gotten himself into and since then just reacted by instinct (survival and protection) rather than logical.
To simplify it
Muldoon was more of a Classic Zookeeper while Grady is an Animal Trainer.
On the other hand you can't blame Muldoon since he and InGen were stepping foot on unknown territory.
To quote Alan Grant:
"Dinosaurs and man, two species separated by 65 million years of evolution have just been suddenly thrown back into the mix together. How can we possibly have the slightest idea what to expect?"
One's dead and the other one's just chillin
brisk the sceptile 2002 Best comment.
You know Owen can still die in the next Jurassic movie he's on the meal list even clarie and blue
1: I love any video you release in regards to Muldoon (and/or) the raptors.
2: I think Owen was better with the raptors vs Muldoon because he imprinted on them when they were young AND didn't see them or treat them like his enemies. Muldoon was already a hunter when he started working at Jurassic Park so he may have immediately tried to find weaknesses and strengths of the raptors as a means of 'how do I end them before they end me?' and tried to force his way into dominance. From what I can see it was mainly trial and error/learning as you go with the enclosure being upgraded and having to feed them a certain way.
3: As I'm certain we all know neither Muldoon nor Owen had control over the raptors but we see that Owen's raptors respected him more and held him in somewhat high regard vs Muldoon's raptors who saw seen him as a foe.
Klayton if you want spoilers I got a junior novelization won't say anything just throwing it out therr
No spoilers for me haha, I see it in a week. But I'm curious, how do you like the story in the novelization???
I'm still in the store haha me and my son are shopping for groceries I will let you know later on
Well I am sure you are going to like this film let's put it that way 3 words Suspenseful, Brutal, Moving
I like the story won't reveal anything but would have to say the character Franklin is reminiscent of the young man in the lost world novel that stowed away and I think parts are surprising
I got to say at first when I saw the header for this video I was like do we really need this? After watching the video you made some real great comparisons and observations that I didn't even think about. Well done sir
Owen only had one flaw...
NO TALL SOCKS
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I love your videos. I have had an interest in Jurassic park for years, but mostly as a casual fan. It is great to learn new details and gain new insights into the world. Thanks for the quality videos; keep it up.
Wasn't Muldoon the person that said shoot her?
Yep!
Klayton Fioriti the last few times you talked about Muldoon was either in the top ten Jurassic park deaths video or the one when in the novel of the tranquilizing the T. rex. Who did you think was a better raptor handler? My personal opinion on that topic was in terms of the treatment of the animals is Grady, though I sometimes prefer Muldoon if the animals do go crazy and get out of control.
I’ve worked with animals for most of my life and have learned that it’s better to respect an animal than to fear it, otherwise you’ll never truly be able understand its behavior and how to interact with it. Muldoon’s character was very well written in this regard because as a hunter, he sees the world through his old school irrationality that mankind is meant to kill & dominate wild “beasts.” His actions show that he didn’t reflect on his wisdom because he either underestimated or failed to interpret their intellect & capabilities as a pack, and they got the better of him. Owen would’ve never made that mistake.
PS, I love it when you leave your posts open for discussion like this. Great channel!
The Difference Is That One Lives And The Other Has A Good Line.
- One had a badass shotgun that he didn't know had to use
- One had a wild west rifle that he could actually use
Pretty sure that if Robert made it out alive in the first movie and saw what they were doing in Jurassic world, that he wouldn't hesitate to put a bullet in Blue and her siblings skulls.
"Woah Klayton... Clever Guy."
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So Klayton, which UK cinema are you seeing the movie in? Also are you going to a day one showing?
I'll warn you, there are 15 - 20 minutes of ads before the movie and 10 minutes of trailers. It's standard before movies here, be warned. :)
I'll be going to my local cinema on release. I'm so excited!
There is no way that Muldoon was superior to Grady in the handling of the raptors and to here my thoughts on why be sure to watch my next video.
Klyaton plz bring back these old intros the music is awesome and it’s just unreal
Yeah, the difference is clear. Muldoon is an interesting character with dimensions. Grady is a one-dimensional action hero stuck in the confines of the more grounded Jurassic Park franchise (though JW:FK may add more to his being).
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I mean, it can be argued that Claire was the main character of Jurassic World and that Owen was just a supporting character with a lot of screen time.
TheSkyheart5 That's pretty much what it was, and she only had very little development. Most of her development has come from secondary info like the DPG website...
Jason Krueger What gives Muldoon dimensions
Only thing we know about muldoon is that he's a hunter & knows some stuff about raptors. We know more about grady. We know he & claire in a relationship. We know about his funny dating skills. We know They still love each other. We know where he lives. He has better sense of humor. We know his relationship with some of the raptors. & his experience with the raptors kept him alive unlike muldoon. Owen grady wins. This is obviously because grady has more screentime but that's beside the point.
I've already seen Fallen Kingdom and his character really doesn't change much. He's given a bit more depth and his relationship with Blue is explained a bit more, but he's still a superhuman that succeeds at everything with minimal risk or cost and knows the solution to everything.
i was wondering, what are your favourite book elements that got left out of the movie? i like the juvenile rex and gennaros character in the book
Definitely Muldoon tranqing Rexy!
Mine would also be the juvenile rex and the in my opinion much better version of the character Donald Gennaro. But I also really wish that the movie included the aviary.
Muldoon hates the Dino’s and wanted to kill them all Owen loves them and wanted to save them. There ya go. Lol
Muldoon didn’t work at a petting zoo. Hammond said that JP made the preserve he had in Kenya “look like a petting zoo.”
Difference is Muldoon got eaten by the alpha but Owen IS the alpha. Owen got that raptor respect.
Loving these videos man you expand jurassic park. Alot for me nothing can beat the first flim the intro alone holy shit. Still amazing
Robert Muldoon is a developed character. Owen Grady is one dimensional.
He's pretty much Starlord with a different name.
he's not even starlord though. Starlord has charisma and charm
They didn't develop Muldoon at all. He's a one note character.
Muldoon is hardly a deep character. Stop letting nostalgia blind you. God, this is why I always hate the "old guard" of any fandom that's been around for a while. The people who have been in it longer tend to be total douchebags who hate anything new.
Z Man7 well he's played by the same actor but the characters have little more than that in common. Owen is guided by his experience and morales, starlord is guided by his emotions and desires. Character wise it's like comparing a child who was captured by pirates and forced into piracy and a fully developed adult who served his country in the armed forces and then retired to research and handle extremely dangerous animals... Oh hang on a second...
Dude you deserve millions of subs man, I love the vid when Ian Malcom proves that Jurassic park will fail when you read that out I knew straight away I had to get the book and pls do stuff like that again.
Oh thank you! That means a lot man! :D
More Novel vids to come! :)
First!
How do you think BOOK Mouldon and Grady compare?
Steven Spielberg didn't want to kill Muldoon off. At least, not so soon. Unfortunately, the actor who played Muldoon, Robert Peck, decided to no longer take part in the movie after he became increasingly ill, and was diagnosed with terminal cancer.
Peck died on April 4th 1999 of said cancer.