What in the Hell is HELL? with Dr. Rodney Duke
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- In this episode of Byte-Geist, we dive into the fiery depths of one of Christianity's most enduring and controversial concepts: Hell. Together, let's challenge the traditional depictions of eternal damnation through a lively discussion with Dr. Rodney Duke, a biblical scholar and distinguished professor at Appalachian State University. Known for his insightful scholarship and engaging teaching style, Dr. Duke has just the right expertise to help us explore what the New Testament really says about Hell and how these interpretations have evolved over time. We'll uncover the historical, cultural, and linguistic contexts that have shaped Christian understandings of the afterlife.
For more on Dr. Duke's work, see the following links and be sure to check out his online devotionals.
Devotional Blog: dukesdevotional.blogspot.com/
Scholarly Work: Rodney Duke, "Eternal Torment or Destruction? Interpreting Final Judgment Texts" Evangelical Quarterly 88.3 (2016/17) 237-58. brill.com/view/journals/evqu/...
Rodney Duke, “The Idiom of ‘Weeping and Gnashing of Teeth’ in the Gospels: A Funerary Formula,” Perspectives in Religious Studies 47.3 (2020) 283-98.
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As the person interviewed, I believe most of the biblical questions and issues that have been raised in comments (as of 5/23/24) are addressed in an orderly-presented lecture I gave in 2016, which also has a brief Q&A period. It was recorded and uploaded to: th-cam.com/video/uda8nosBJI8/w-d-xo.html. As mentioned in the introduction above, I have an article as well on the idiom of "weeping and gnashing of teeth" that might be helpful.
Thank you for coming on the podcast and sharing your insights, Dr. Duke! This was one of the best episodes yet!
I believe i died 38 years ago, i instantly fell what felt like 3 miles down a black pit. Either side in recesses were round steel safe doors about four and half ft in diameter. i could see all the way up either side the recesses into different hells, a round handel in the doors centre spun, and the door opened, i was thrown into war situation wher i had no control over the body i was in i was required to load a howitzer type gun lifting the heavy shells i also found myself on all fours scrabling threw undergrowth then back to loading the howitzer on so on all the time bullets flying past and possibly explosions, then i was taken out of the hell and regained consciousness with a intake of breath, to me it was hell or the pit of hell, believe me it is not a place anyone would want to go to even for a second. Exhaustion in that place just became more worce without a break, the body I was in would not stop physically and was in continuous motion and I could feel every thing and hear everything, this became hell.
Good video - we must read the Scriptures in context of the ancient audience understanding. Very important to understand the symbolic otherwise we get lost in the mangled extremist "literalist " readings of the Holy Scriptures. PTL
It's always great to listen to scholars like Dr. Rodney Duke. Thanks
Hi, so are you a Christian, atheist, or somewhere in between? I watched a few clips, can't figure out your position lol. Thanks
She called herself a "Tillichean" which I took (after some Googling) to mean she most identified with the theology of Paul Tillich, who himself has been criticized by evangelicals as pantheistic or athestic, but Tillich himself was Lutheran.
You really think there are just two things? Christian and athiest? There is also Deism, Hinduism, Judaism, etc.
@@joecheffo5942 Read what I asked again...
@@flamingswordapologetics Well I guess you could say Buddism is between the two. Thats fine. Peace
Hi, thanks for your comment. I most identify with ground of being/apophatic theology.
Yeah, but the problem is, there are numerous, upon numerous, upon numerous hell NDEs and visions, too many to dismiss though.
People have NDE's about Mohammed, about Vishnu, I'm sure about Zeus. What does all this prove?
What about critical thinking? Don't we dream at night? Why can't the brain make images when unconscious?
@@joecheffo5942 I always find the "It's just a dream" answer rather insulting. You've experienced dreams before, I've experienced dreams before, and we both know they were just dreams. Don't you think those people also have had mundane dreams before and also, know like is when it is "just a dream"?
I'm not aware of Muslim NDEs or Zeus or Vishnu, but to extent they exist, of course there could be NDEs like them. There are a great many false NDEs out there that if Satan was a real being, would give folks in order to spread deception. That isn't a problem in my worldview.
@@dragonore2009 First of all their brain is in a different state. A dying brain produces DMT, a powerful hallucinogenic.
I have to take science over fairy tales I have no evidence for. Sorry if that insults you.
There are other non-dualustic descriptions of the soul. I'm not going to be able to state it perfectly well, but the soul is the organizing principle of the body and exists within and throughout the body. It is a more Aristotlean view where the soul is like the form and the body is the sum of the accidents that make each person unique.
This discussion was primarily about Hell, but the concept of soul played an important part. Regardless of where the concept supposedly arose, there are proofs for the immortality if the soul that need to be addressed before dismissing the possibility of humans living eternally in some form whether in Hell, Heaven, or some holding area (hopefully not like an unkempt bus terminal with malfunctioning vending machines.)
What are the proofs NDS? let's notice that those who say they died did not really died otherwise they would not be telling any story. What the New Testament calls soul, refers to our psyche, which is our mental capacities, this dies with us, the only part of us that was given to us to start with is called the spirit, returns to God at our demise.
Hell testimonies exist.
And bigfoot, aliens, Elvis. So what? Do you use critical thinking skills?
A fantasy upheld by cantakerous and jealous people?
Hell is for the fallen angels who turned against god because he cannot destroy them. Us human he can and if we don't want to be part of his world when he comes back we just don't exist anymore and all memories of us are gone for good as if we didn't exist in the first place
Unbiblical heresy. The worm of decay does not die and the smoke of their torment raises up for ever and ever. You are deluding yourself to believe a lie.
Like a man that sleeps on train tracks, you claim there are no trains. But soon your body will be mangled by that which you say was not real.
Originally it was for fallen Angles but people who die in their sins end up that place
@@pacifistidentitarian549 Torture is wrong, don't you know that? That has to be the most basic think I can think of.
Genesis is pretty clear what death is 😂
Yeah. You surely die and then he went on to live for almost 1000 years 😂😂😂
@@kalords5967yes, and after that 1000 years guess what. He died.
Before the fall, he wouldn't have died ever.
@@Tetelestai-cw8qy How do you know that? I mean, the dude needed the tree of life in order to live forever. Right?
@@kalords5967 no
I suggest no one find out what Hell is like by personal experience. You can check in but you can't check out.
I personally subscribe to the Jewish understanding of the afterlife:
Ecclesiastes 9:9-12 NIV
[9] Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun-all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun. [10] Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom. [11] I have seen something else under the sun: The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance happen to them all. [12] Moreover, no one knows when their hour will come: As fish are caught in a cruel net, or birds are taken in a snare, so people are trapped by evil times that fall unexpectedly upon them.
I felt the eternal oppression of hell during near death coming-to-Jesus personal apocalypse in the hospital.
I wouldn't wish it on the worst people on earth.
@@Tetelestai-cw8qy If that is what you wish for others then perhaps this was a warning to you. We should instead pray that the worst people repent of their ways and turn towards God. If you can love your enemies (instead of returning hate for hate) then you're on your way out of Hell.
@@stevelenores5637 I said I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Read it again.
What if God gave us reason in order to use it. What if this is a test, those who believe, who "choose" to believe in a hell, with no evidence, will be the ones who face judgment.
Those who choose truth will be set free.
Weeping and Nashing of teeth is pretty conclusive
Yep. And it will be by virtue of the presence of God. God's presence is hell for the unregenerate. This is what Rev 14:11 teaches.
So when Jesus described hell as a place, that was merely a figure for the experience of being confronted with the presence of God without the advocacy of Christ.
As for the resurrection, our bodies shall never be raised. We shall be spirits in the afterlife.
When we die our spirit goes to be with the Lord immediately, thus: "absent from the body, present with the Lord".
When Christ returns, He shall return with the spirits of the saints who have died and at the same time destroy the physical realm as per 2 Pe 3:10. What will remain will be spirit. He will then hand the kingdom back to the Father "that God may be all in all".
Weepiing and gnashing of teeth is pretty descriptive.
If your mind is closed, why come here? Torture is wrong. No being should ever torture another being. We have laws against it for a reason. It's barbaric and cruel. How could a person not see that, it's baffling.
@@joecheffo5942 Rather, read what I have written above. Don't be lazy.
@@lawrence1318 what religion are you? What is a sprit anyway? Can you explain?
Hell isnt for punishment. Its beautiful and mysterious intelligently designed to do a breaking and entering of the universe. It makes paranoia beautiful God's greatest gift.
"Hell isn't real. Don't listen to God. Listen to a 'scholar.' - Satan.
This crappy earth is hell enough. How many do we need?
Yes I agree with your guest, we are not immortal, we have a spirit which returns to God who gave it, Ecclesiastes 12:7, and there is no hell as understood, hell is a synonym of grave. There will be a Lake of Fire, which Jesus calls Gehenna, and this will destroy the enemies of God for ever. There is no heaven after death, we wait for the resurrection, hopefully the first one.
No. A spirit cannot be made to die. Those in hell will remain there forever. That is the teaching of scripture. Your nihilism is simply fuelled by emotion.
@@lawrence1318 So, the Almighty who created the spirits cannot wipe them out? Consider that we are not spirit, spirit is a capacity we get fro the Almighty as Job 32: 8 states. We do not have inherent immortality, it has to be given to us by the Spirit of the Almighty, those without the Spirit of God do not have any immortality in themselves, if condemned, they will be destroyed and since their spirits are part of the Almighty, those spirits will be wiped out so the persons the spirits belonged to are no more.
@@fcastellanos57 Rev 14:11 tells us that those who are in hell will experience it 'forever'.
Your idea is based in humanism and emotion: it is not spiritual thinking, but carnal-mindedness. You think it 'cruel' for God to torture someone forever and so you try to come up with some rationale which supports your emotions.
But God doesn't torture anyone: they do it to themselves by simply hating Him while having to be in His presence for eternity.
@@lawrence1318 No, what I say comes from the words of Jesus in Matthew 10:28
English Standard Version
28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. [a], that word hell should be Gehenna which basically is the Lake of fire from Revelation. We are not immortal, we do not have in ourselves immortality to burn forever as the Scripture says, that is more a figure of speech to say that the punishment will be forever, there is no second chance to those cast into the Lake of Fire.
@@fcastellanos57 There is indeed no second chance. They that reject God shall suffer eternally.
*_"And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name" Rev 14:11._*
Couldn't be clearer.
Hell is totally Biblical. Jesus spoke of Hell as a very REAL Place and a great many souls are going there...
What if God says "you want it to be real, here it is". And to those who chose love, they get love.
Hell is biblical. Hell is real. Scripture is clear.
Have you checked the Greek? The word "hell" is no where in the original languages. Jesus used the word Gehenna at least most of the time, which is a real place outside of Jerusalem.
The valley of Hinnom, is what its referring to, and during the siege of Jerusalem, its believed some of the dead bodies were thrown over toward that valley. It's also where where sacrifices were given to the false god Molech in the fire.
When Jesus said the worm will not die, he's referring back to a passage in Isaiah 66:24-, where it speaks of the corpses being fed on.
It's more probable that the 2nd death is a final destruction, this fits John 3:16's "perish", and Paul's "wages of sin is death" in Romans 6:23, as well as other destruction language and pretty much the entire Old T when it says what will happen to the wicked.
There is a final destruction of the wicked after the resurrection.
@@flamingswordapologetics No. Revelation 14:11 tells us that hell is eternal and consists of being confronted with the presence of God.
@@lawrence1318 The wages of sin is death. Revelation is full of highly symbolic language. What does perish, destroyed, destruction mean? I wouldn't try to get too much doctrine from Revelation, its just to vivid with the imagery, which is similar to apocalyptic language in the Old T and what Jesus used as well like in Matt 24.
@@flamingswordapologetics Rev 14:11 tells us that hell is eternal and also tells us what hell consists of. Hell consists of being confronted with the presence of God.
Heaven is also in the presence of God, but is the opposite experience by virtue of the fact that "he that is joined to the Lord is one spirit" and thus that there is no qualitative separation between the saved and the Spirit of God (and thus the joy of being in God's presence).
So heaven and hell are not places: there is no geography, distance, time, motion, mass, velocity, in the spirit realm. There is only quality in an 'eternal now'.
This guy is a liberal theologian and has no idea what he's talking about.
Torture is wrong. Period. No being should ever torture another being, or even allow it. It's a very sick idea. And then to call it love? Is torture written on your heart? It is not on mine.