I think the problem comes after the outpouring of the spirit... people start seeking signs and wonders instead of Jesus! That’s where it goes haywire! When we begin seeking things signs and wonders instead of God
Very true! Also, some of the gifted who minister in these groups get "addicted" to the anointing. Jesus is the Head of the Church... Not the Holy Spirit!
@@marsherrmadd5380 The great danger is becoming a "personality" With the good the Remnant Radio is doing, they have targets on their backs. It is important that they don't become great personalities. So many are learning doctrine from the internet instead of the Bible. Churches are apostate, but so many on line are kooks, These guys are solid and they need our prayer. Hope they don't become too famous.
@@meggy8868 I agree. I had a dream recently of the Lord saying "the death of the people will be quick because of their pride." There was a little more to it than that, but that was the point of what He said. Pride is a very cunning emotion and also very despised by God.
The major problem is seeking after all the things and not Christ. People love signs and wonders but the real object of their affection should be Christ. Just like in Jesus day many seek after a sign. Some say show me and I'll believe. Jesus said if you didn't believe Moses you won't believe me. An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.
I would like to point any who sees this to the youtube page "Leaving the Message"...they have a lot of interresting content concerning the Latter Rain Movement 👍
Having been in the Restoration Movement for about 10 years '75 - '85 I'd like to say you guys have given a pretty good overview. There was a great hangar for more of God back then and we all were studying the Bible and had our own big green Strong's concordance to do word studies. I finally ditched mine about 6-7 years ago having lugged it around for years without using it any more. It was the control and pride and entitlement in leadership that broke it. God has preserved the good stuff from that time and is still refining it. The ox in the stall is a great picture of the whole church history from the beginning. How much messier can things get than killing the Son of God on a cross? And then a whole new religion comes out of that which over 2000 years has changed the world to such an extent that it has.
We had a lot of interaction with Restoration Movement churches and leaders in the 1970’s and into early 1990’s. We were so very appreciative of all the Lord restored to His Church through many faithful saints. These were solidly biblical churches with plurality of eldership, fully functioning fivefold gift ministries that were not overly authoritative, presbytery ministry for prophetically identifying and directing people in their gifts & callings, restoration of praise and worship and so much more. Very transformative and helpful for which we should be honoring and thankful of these folks. It’s no surprise that men’s flesh gets involved and muddies the water. Let us not remotely think we cannot do the same in this day.
1:05 this is absolutely the what needs to happen. The Body of Christ has become extremely divided. I have a feeling this may be very edifying. Thank You.
One of our problems in the church is that every new movement can become ' institutionalized' , our love can dry up and we become familiar with God and with each other .and of course deviate from the truth .This shows that in every generation we need to be continuallly filled and led by the Holy Spirit , who will inspire us and lead us into all truth as revealed in Jesus Christ .
The issue is not that charismatics screw up a lot it’s that very few of them exhibit accountability for those screw ups. They resist biblical correction most of the time. When you show them how they take a passage out of context they resist. All error comes down to lack of reverence for scripture & its author. If we all exhibit this trait. We will work things out and find ways forward to move as brother in love & unity. Commenting on 56:48
Learning about the Latter Rain for some reason about 4 yrs ago I heard an voice telling me Latter Rain. That's all so I dabbled about it but never really studied it A friend had given me the book on the Azusa street so maybe this is the time I take a look at it. That's how I came across this podcast.
Have you read anything about the 1948 Latter Rain Movement that began in North Battleford, Canada? I was once a part of that awesome movement ... and what I am hearing from this speaker is spot on! Glad Tidings Church in Vancouver, BC and Shiloh Church in Oakland, CA are two churches that are part of that movement.
The problem with the kingdom now thing is it is creating in Christian’s the idea that we can create a heaven on earth society. That’s the main issue. It’s shift the focus from “do not love the word and the things of the world” to I can make this place perfect and good. And that’s not true. We are sojourners and we are not at home here. What we do is we simply abide in Christ and we will be salt & light. When Christ returns He will do the subduing. Commenting in relation to 29:18
Have you done one on Mike Bickles House of Prayer? He came out of the Kansas City prophets that had its roots in the Latter Rain Movement. Would be a good one
I am only at the 35 min mark so you maybe talk about this later, but I want to ask a question. How do Christians avoid these pitfalls? It seems that so many movements start off well but then they go off course, and it can happen in one generation. I would love to listen to a discussion on how to prevent a movement from going in the wrong direction.
They had these "Presbytery Meetings" which meant that a bunch of prophets from out of town (who you had never seen before) would basically "tell you what to do" with "your ministry" in the "Body of Christ." It was kind of spooky to me. You weren't supposed to disagree with the "prophets." People took this very seriously. For 2 years in a row, I fasted 3 straight days with only water 💧 over these meetings. The "prophets" would pick people out of the congregation (supposedly at random), and circle around them and give them "a word." I thought it was funny, because they never said anything to me and I was a member of that Church for 9 years. I noticed that the Pastor would go around whispering stuff to the "prophets." We were supposed to be closing our eyes in prayer, but I peeked. At that time I knew it was all (or mostly) bogus!!
Carol, As a former member of Shiloh with great love and respect for Pastor Violet and Pastor David (as well as Pastor Reg Layzell in Vancouver from where Violet started out) I am very disappointed and sorry that this was your experience at Shiloh. Surely you know that both Violet and David are highly respected and loved not only at Shiloh but all over the world ... and the great work they have done is legendary. I am just so sorry that what you are expressing here is your experience. That is not the experience of literally thousands of people who have known, loved and respected the ministry of The Kiteleys and Shiloh.
Ministers Fellowship International has roots in the latter rain movement. If you want more information about that movement, I would recommend you talk to Frank Damazio, who was the overseer of MFI. They are out of Portland Oregon. They have their own Bible college there as well.
I knew that church from years ago as Portland Bible Temple. I believe that it is now known as Mannahouse Church. Wonderfully thriving congregation that does indeed have roots in The Latter Rain Movement
If anyone knows, can anyone explain why and how this fellow is an authority on the latter rain movement? I don’t remember anyone saying this at the beginning. 🙏 The reason I ask is that as I’m watching it there is a lot of talk about how it started and how great the ideas were at its Genesis and how bad it became but no references have been given no transcripts of what the leaders taught from the beginning and how it changed and became excessive. I like the episode is touching on the issues but how can I be subjective if I’m not given any data in terms of what was actually taught by those that actually taught these doctrines. Not a great representation. It would be great if you could revisit this topic and read quotes by those who taught it.
I always learn SOOO much when I watch you guys, I used to be so hypocritical, judgmental of all the denominations, I used to claim non denominational and I had even gotten sucked into that new age and charismatic AND prosperity gospel line of thinking. Truely you have been used by God to smooth some edges in my character that no book, no study, no witnessing could have ever a complicated, I've really started to tap into Gods character, and His view of us as His bride. And no worries, I promise I'm not going to start a new denominations because of this, even though the coexist pretty much has and the one world religion has began converting the masses with their clever way of highlighting unity and love and exceptance of all faiths, *shivers* I used to actually think that God wanted all religions to combine as one. Looking back now I'm not sure I wouldn't have fallen i to the one world religion trap if I hadn't humbled myself and took and interest in learning through your show what faith, real faith verses dictatorship over a group, practicing authoritie in God's name as you guys were talking about. But anyways, you guys are really transforming how people view the body of Christ, you've been used by God to give me a gift of being aware of the details involved in what I used to only see as a fractured, weak, ruined, profusely bleeding out and dieing faith of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. Just because we all have different conviction or different callings, or different trials that lead to a need for a different way of connecting to God through the practice of going to and being open to learn from new denominations that are simply followers of Jesus. There is so much more I could say but I think its best to say, thankyou, praise God for your ministries, your annointings , and for both of you as far as your obediance to the will of our heavenly father, our Lord Jesus. Keep it up, I think the world needs to learn exactly what it is you guys are trying to say and share. 💯🙏💜
God wants all believers to edify regionally (because that's all they can do), as far as street corner assemblies....we will leave them to God and His sifting discretion......many will hear "Come out from among them and be separate, touch not the unclean thing"......speaking of unclean thing....does this podcast deal with Toronto/Brownsville debacle?
Having some of my theological roots in the latter rain movement and developing relationships with and talking to many of the pastors who were involved with the LRM from the beginning on the West Coast and Canada, I see things totally different then what's being discussed here. In fact, in the 1980s I had many people who were directly associated with the latter rain movement as guest preachers in the church I was leading at the time. They were older gentleman in their seventies and even eighties. There are literally 20 different streams of those who claim the latter rain revivals as their foundation who hold to many doctrinal positions. In fact, two of these men that I knew (with the Lord now) were both strong Calvinists. I suppose that would make them pentacostal calvinists! R.W. Deese BTh; MDiv
I too was greatly affected by the latter rain movement (my pastor who is still alive, @95) was easily old enough to be my dad.....but the deepest original movement for me was the last of the Jesus People (Keith Green/2nd Chp of Acts/etc). I was saved in 1978 and both the LRM and the JP blend had no conflicts at all.......we loved each other......and wow wow wow, the presence of the Holy Spirit was wonderful til about 81 then waned significantly in public!
Hello .... I am going to guess that some of those pastors might include Pastor Reg Layzell, Dick Iverson, Charlotte Baker, Violet Kiteley, David Kiteley and others? All very fine people who I miss greatly now that they are in heaven. I think I am fortunate in that my association with the Latter Rain movement never included any of those aberrant groups that existed (and surely still do). I look back at the worship and preaching at Glad Tidings in Vancouver and Shiloh in Oakland with great affection and longing for what God intends to do next!!
There are the testimonials from the Latter Rain Movement of 1948 with the last elder, Jim Watt associated at Battleford, Saskatchewan, Canada. Dr John Rodham interviews Jim Watt.
Yeah...many people don't know about the Saskatchewan connection. I had a prof at Central Pentecostal College ( which we jokingly called Central Prison Camp because of the curfew LOL!) in Saskatoon that knew some of the people involved.
The MFI ministry fellowship international by Dick Iverson in Portland is the only mainstream active network of churches remaining. Manna house, father's house and city church that became church home by Judah Smith's father Wendell
My Pastor in the 1970's (and HER family came to the San Francisco Bay Area from 🇨🇦 Canada. I was in my 20's back then, and I'm not sure how much I paid attention (or understood) their teaching. I remember the Pastor talking about North Battleford in Canada. I don't really remember much about it. They were big on the "prophetic," and they were big on praise and worship. They also kept mentioning "Rebuilding the Tabernacle of David which had fallen down." I didn't understand that either. If someone knows what that means please let me know. They got kind of goofy after a few years with the Pastor taking extreme control, telling people what to do continually. Also, the "prophets" tried to control everyone (especially young people). I never understood the "Manifestation of the Sons of God" either...I'm glad I got out of there when I did.......
Hi Carol.......so, restoration of the tabernacle of David...David was a promise of a unique reign.......tabernacle = atmosphere. The atmosphere of David was one of very unique and vibrant relationship and praise and his Son Solomon who would build His house (God's house).......David house was spoken by Isaiah 22;22 (keys of the house of David = power of Holy Spirit)......not to neglect David in the wilderness as the type of the true church, hiding avoiding Saul (the false and backsliden church)......David had a heart after God, so the last day church will emulate this and shun insincere ritual.....Jesus really holds/and is the keys of David (Rev.3;7) and this promise of tabernacle/atmosphere is in Acts 15;16.
@@MinLeeMajors Yes it was/is Shiloh and I have to say that I would view Carol's statement as hers ... not necessarily of Pastor Violet Kiteley/Pastor David Kiteley (her son) or of the present leadership. When I was a member of Shiloh it was absolutely wonderful .. in worship, teaching, fellowship and oversight. Pastor Violet was a strong woman ... and even I (early on) saw her as authoratitive and frankly overbearing) but as I came to know her and dearly love her, I will say that it was style, certainly not substance, that was my problem. I and thousands of people throughout the world have the very highest regard, respect and love for Violet Kiteley.
The William Branham historical research podcast goes into this movement a lot. I think it’s pretty eye-opening to see where some of the doctrines come from and who was involved in all of this. The history of it all is not very pretty once you look at the evidence and the facts
Congrats! Wonderful initiative. But why you always have to say that you don't agree with such and such. It might be good to count the number of times that you've said you don't agree in your videos. I thought you were acting as an anchor and interviewing people. Many a times your guests are most gracious, considering that you want to present the beliefs and schools of thought of all of Christendom. Besides that, you do a great job. We are celebrating your content, because we can compare, learn and above all respect our brothers and sisters, humbly considering ourselves, because like everybody else throughout history we may also be wrong. As a matter of fact, most of us would not even believe everything like the apostol Paul or James, for that matter. But of course, each one of us IS RIGHT and have THE TRUTH.
Well there are a lot of people who will be watching our show for the first time. We want them to know that we disagree with our guest so that we can display hospitable Christian charity in our disagreement. Something there’s not enough of on the internet. In addition to that, many of our guest exist in communities where there is a very high “guilt by association” paradigm. By publicly stating that “we disagree“ it liberates them from potential attack in there own communities. Obviously I think the guilt by association culture is garbage. However, most movement and denominations today thrive on that kind of cult like thinking. I don’t want my guest to lose any credibility when their own communities because of others who have come on my show who may look incriminating in these various communities. That’s why we do it anyway. It might not be satisfactory for some. But it’s done with the purest of intentions I can muster lol ;)
The NAR paranoia is really baffling, it's not monolithic, the pastors I know who are renounced are faithful to the apostle, Nicene, and Athanasius creeds....they bear fruit, build the Kingdom, love the Lord and people, and often disagree with each other on church government....
John Nelson Darby of the Plymouth Brethren wrecked the movement of the church with his Devils Brew that of his dispensation teaching. We are not waiting on the kingdom to come. We are living in the everlasting kingdom now. If Jesus did not establish it with the early church than its not going to happen.
The problem with the Preterists, Kingdom Now and Dominion Theo is they leave the Spirit of God out of things, so that they get the timing of future events wrong.
LRM seems to have been around in 1967 in West Virginia. If you watch the movie about the snake handling churches called "Holy Ghost People" they are singing songs asking for the latter rain.
Its all interwoven with the Pentecostal movement. All LRM is Pentecostal, yet not all Pentecostal would claim LRM. Its like cousins or even brother/sisters birthed from the same mother.
Luke - not named as an apostle Mark - not named named an apostle Jude - not named an apostle Writer of Hebrews...? And most of the original 12 chosen by Jesus didn't write a single word of scripture.
The AOG isn't what it used to be. Now they have changed their names to not be identified as such and pretty much go with Kingdom Now or Dominion theology/ They lean towards NAR without knowing with it.
That’s not true. They have official documentations saying that they do not believe in modern day apostles and prophets. ag.org/Beliefs/Position-Papers/Apostles-and-Prophets Now there are some AOG churches that are NAR friendly, but the denomination as a whole rejects the NAR
@@TheRemnantRadio Thanks for the response. Good to know. A relief actually. I live in a sparsely populated state where the AOG's have changed their names to things like Northstar, Harvest, etc. These churches have gone over to the Dominion theology. The changes began over 20 years ago , 1997 to be exact, when an “apostle” came and captivated the young pastor where I attended A split occurred, the old AOG affirmed, however, the congregation was likewise captivated without understanding the doctrinal issues. A series of pastors came who had strong ties, even preaching relationships with the original “captive” pastor who ultimately became a disciple of Rod Bell. People from these churches who go on to Bible School may typically follow up with a stint at I-Hop. They listen to TBN, Mike Bikel, Patricia King, Lance Wallanu, Kat Kerr, and most guest speakers are NAR affiliated without the congregation really understanding. A pastor friend of mine was kicked out of the local E-free for teaching healing and found a niche in a name-changed AOG about 90 miles from me. Granted, my experience is very narrow, but also very deep. That is why your program is so important to me. I am a charismatic with no place to go. This movement almost seems to me to be a spiritual apostate movement. Perhaps the positron papers have remained the same, but the spiritual atmosphere where I live is quite different from when I first became a believer, 1981. What are your thoughts on the name-changed former AOG's? I notice that their websites don't seem to have any doctrinal details.
@@TheRemnantRadio Very good position statement: " The Pentecostal and charismatic movements have witnessed various excessive or misplaced theological emphases over the years. We look with grave concern on those who do not believe in congregational church government, who do not trust the maturity of local church bodies to govern themselves under Scripture and the Spirit. Such leaders prefer more authoritarian structures where their own word or decrees are unchallenged." It was written in 2001. I wonder if the same leaders would still have the caution today that was exercised by the writer of the position paper? There is a powerful sway of internet teachers, and Big names from the NAR exerting tremendous influence. Notice my comments below.
I was raised in AOG 1980-1998 and my experience ruined me for ever going to another AOG church again. Maybe we just had a rogue pastor but it ruined the whole thing for me.
this is such a serous doctrine ,like millions of followers in 21 countries being taught and trained for well over 40 years..SO MANY people are falling away into this .. they are saying great revival , bible says great falling away -its terrifying -steeped in new age practices and part of the prophecy groups that piggy back each others words online , i feel like i barely escaped,,he is saying the groups are mellow and just proactive ...NOT TRUE they are promising super powers and transfiguration's and that you will become christ literally -like they say that all the believers who EMPTY themselves out (empty mind meditation) will be filled ! that they will become super men !!!! they already are being filled with other spirits as they transcribe daily words about how they will stomp down other christians ,and take over the world - sorta like rick joyner book the final quest , i have friends who wont get healthcare as the voice tells them to wait for the transfiguration,,, THIS IS A AWFUL DOCTRINE !! and dangerous , the teachers of it do the necromancy and teach it as normal ,,everyone thinks its normal to have king david show up in your bedroom or Paul or any other figure in bible ...thats necromancy isnt it? to receive revelation or instruction from the dead ?,,,its a diaster and millions are awaiting this 'christ" i firmly believe one is surely coming ,,Jesus warned us in mathew 24 about this ...it wont end well THIS IS RAMPANT IN THE BODY -falls into the 3 days darkness camp folks also -i am grieved and vexxed over it tbh
I think A A Allen's alcohol problem was relatively well known. He used to hold meetings in Stanislaus County, California in the 1960's. He had advertisements up all over Modesto. I was curious, but I wasn't a born-again Christian then, so I didn't go to his meetings.
@@caroleimani9754 I was born in Empire, but call Modesto my home still. I do not remember A.A. Allen being here. Where? But It was well known that Billy Graham had preached in about 1950 near the Modesto Christmas tree location.
Manifest and Kingdom guys wait for the "appearing" in their hearts. They don't believe that the "appearing" is actually the physical presence of Jesus who receives the Kingdom from the Ancient of Days and hands it to the Son of Man who hands it to the Saints. They can worm around quite a bit with that misreading. Kingdom Now-ers believe that the Kingdom is now, not yet, not later, "we are the guys, we know more than you do because of our revelations." Jesus can't come back until we make the world ready for him. Sorry, Jesus will return after the tribulation, all seven years as prophesied by Daniel and played out in Revelation 6-19. Some people need to start reading the Bible like a newspaper: who, what, when, and where.
Very good historical perspective. Suggestion: Follow-up on the "Jesus movement" that followed, especially in California. The remnants of John Roberts Stevens followers are still around. Some of the teachings on Biblical government and inter-submission are excellent. I am however surprised at how 'positive' you express affection for Denominations which I read as being forbidden by Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:12 and 3:4. The "Pastor as CEO" format in many local Churches is clearly an imitation of a worldly administration. The pastor is not even a foundational ministry; the apostles and prophets have no more passed away than the gifts. ALL are to minister in a gathering... not one person lecturing from behind a podium. The podiums are remnants of the pagan debates. The church just took one of them away. Jesus' true church is described in Ephesians but is hard to find these days. Blessings.
Here’s a view from the UK. Just a view. First off, the last programme I listened to I couldn’t endure to the end because the presenters continuously interrupted the guest. Really guys, I wanted to give you a fair chance, so tuned in again. I know very little about Latter Rain. What I do know is that here in UK, and doubtless in the US too, we desperately need apostolically-led disruptive renewals of the church scene and our nations. And they would be messy. The round-up summary of potential versus power proved pertinent. It’s so easy for us who haven’t been there to pontificate. St Francis remonstrated with his second generation disciples, because they wanted to record the movement’s early acts of love and mercy rather than getting out and doing it all again! For example: heavy shepherding and top-down structures? Oh, you guys, you do so betray your idolatry at the States-side shrine of Liberty. Humanity’s basic problem is independence, and the believers’ safely is in submission. New Testament leaders were fallible, too. And bewailing ‘prescription’? A new enterprise can’t distinguish itself from the past without creating some sharp edges, no matter how immature and regrettable they become in hindsight. I’d rather have the new Holy Spirit thing with an ‘ouch’, than no advance. Actually you guys presenting doubtless subconsciously operate from ‘prescription’ in your podcast format, too, with just such a motive! There you go. I will make an intention (no promise) to listen again.
Your U.K. has the advantage of having a much longer history than we. But help me with this. Why are so few over there infant baptised instead of the Biblical way of being adult baptised--and that in Jesus' name rather than the trinitarian titles?
@ralphowen3367 Why 'unbiblical' infant baptism in UK. Because the C of E grew out of the Reformation, which by-and-large preserved previous Catholic practise in this regard. Parents didn't want their children to die without it. Officials relied on church records (as folks researching ancestry today do) for e.g. tax purposes. Only the Anabaptists and Separatists got radical. Another case of culture trumps theology, as we see so often. Hope this helps.
@@iancallard3561 Thanks for that. I am thankfully adult baptised--re-baptised. I read recently in Things To Come by Dwight Pentecost that the kingdom to come is when sound theology will get restored.
When Bro Branham would speak, his English grammar was bad, and his theology worse. A lot of ministers gnashed their teeth and wrung their hands when he preached. For such Bro Branham, a man to try to teach doctrinal truth was, naturally speaking, courting disaster.
@@neoturfmasterMVS Yes, but at one point he had the nature of God--One Being/Person in Himself, but with three offices, modes or manifestations--right. Then on Christians not being capable of sinning, he openly professed, saying there is no possibility of there being a sinning saint. But the Serpent Seed heresy must have been born of some alcohol vapers from his parents Now I believe in generational curses, but not for the born again. Others more knowledgeable than I say that it was because of his lack of education, perhaps remnants from the southern rebellion that caused him to leave the preaching ministry and delve into teaching, which God was not pleased with.
Let's use the title 5 fold and then tell people they are throwing the baby out with bathwater. Thought stop device much? Yeah, buddy that a four letter word for a lot of people.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves...... wouldn’t that make a great show. Or how about this. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” Now.! ask yourself the question who is Jesus talking about.. ....i’m sure it’s not Todd Bentley, Mike Bickel, Bill Johnson, Rick Joyner..etc. ....NAH....NOPE.! Here’s another show you could do. “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;” Just trying to give you guys some ideas 💡 NAR.......Wolves at the top...... just maybe you think... let’s not point fingers, the wolves did not have their dinner yet.
Hey bro. Did you know we have made videos condemning Keneth Copeland as an Apostate? Did you know we have gone out of our way to address the false teachings and unchristian practices of Bob Jones, Todd Bently, and Kat Kerr, and Robert Henderson? Maybe you missed the Episode where I spent an hour condemning these self-induced "spirit feald-trips"? But surely you watched the three hours of content we produced on Robert Hindersons Courts of heaven video. Where we used citations of his book and morn over its many errors and erroneous teachings? Have you seen our work we did denouncing progressive Christianity, or maybe our video condemning the new age teachings of Richard Rohr? Maybe you have seen our video where we look at the Physics of heaven book, you know, the one forwarded by Bethel Leaders. did you see how we found the New Age teachings and condemned them? Maybe you saw the episode where Steven Bancarz came on to Condemn the excesses in the Charismatic movement and its willingness to collaborate with new Age practices? Or how about the video we did with Doug and Holly the two leading authors in Identifying and condemning NAR practices. Did you watch that two-hour program where we went through NAR teachings and readily agreed that they were unorthodox? Have you watched the 4 videos we did condemning Gnosticism? How about the videos where we condemned Moral Therapeutic Deism, reader-response theory, and neo-gnostic interpretations of scripture? Did you watch the one we did on false conversion? But surely you saw the two we did on Marcionism? and the countless episodes we have done condemning an excessive Kenosis Heresy, or the Modalism Heresy, or the Arianism Heresy? It seems you are implying that we don't make content where we identify false teachings... If this is the case... you are obviously mistaken.
@@TheRemnantRadio Well I hit a Nerve. Have you ever warned your audience that the people you expose could be Wolves in sheep's clothing and they run in PACKS. Here's another QUESTION? Is it possible that someone could expose a false teacher or an evil source then at the same time lead their followers to the same destination/ trap. There is a lot packed into that question. Lets use Tom Horn as an example of many: Doesn't the Bible say be simple of evil. But at the same time Horn floods his audience with every detail in the occult in every imaginable way under the term knowledge. Very crafty I must say and it is a occult practice. I'll end with this. There is a saying going around, we can agree to disagree. And that statement is bringing more deception then one can imagine.
@@dawsonjarrell Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: My Education comes from: The King of Kings.........................
John Collins and his podcast Leaving the Message is the best history channel about these subject I ever saw online. Very informative and eye opening.
Agreed
I think the problem comes after the outpouring of the spirit... people start seeking signs and wonders instead of Jesus!
That’s where it goes haywire! When we begin seeking things signs and wonders instead of God
Very true!
Also, some of the gifted who minister in these groups get "addicted" to the anointing.
Jesus is the Head of the Church... Not the Holy Spirit!
It becomes an issue of pride, I beleive. That's why it is so important for our eyes to stay on Jesus and our posture to be of humility.
@@marsherrmadd5380 The great danger is becoming a "personality" With the good the Remnant Radio is doing, they have targets on their backs. It is important that they don't become great personalities. So many are learning doctrine from the internet instead of the Bible. Churches are apostate, but so many on line are kooks, These guys are solid and they need our prayer. Hope they don't become too famous.
@@meggy8868 I agree. I had a dream recently of the Lord saying "the death of the people will be quick because of their pride." There was a little more to it than that, but that was the point of what He said. Pride is a very cunning emotion and also very despised by God.
Yes, like Paul said about this generator seeking a sign...
Yes, all the gifts are for today. Our major problem is lack of character. And lack of reverential fear of the Lord & His word. Commenting on 58:02
The major problem is seeking after all the things and not Christ. People love signs and wonders but the real object of their affection should be Christ.
Just like in Jesus day many seek after a sign. Some say show me and I'll believe. Jesus said if you didn't believe Moses you won't believe me. An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.
It is NOT about gifts at all! It´s about the Gospel of Jesus Christ - THE GOOD NEWS!!
I would like to point any who sees this to the youtube page "Leaving the Message"...they have a lot of interresting content concerning the Latter Rain Movement 👍
It’s simple. We are salt & light. By being we preserve that which is good in our societies. (Matthew 5). Commenting on the 22:40 minute mark.
Having been in the Restoration Movement for about 10 years '75 - '85 I'd like to say you guys have given a pretty good overview. There was a great hangar for more of God back then and we all were studying the Bible and had our own big green Strong's concordance to do word studies. I finally ditched mine about 6-7 years ago having lugged it around for years without using it any more. It was the control and pride and entitlement in leadership that broke it. God has preserved the good stuff from that time and is still refining it. The ox in the stall is a great picture of the whole church history from the beginning. How much messier can things get than killing the Son of God on a cross? And then a whole new religion comes out of that which over 2000 years has changed the world to such an extent that it has.
I think we are all growing out of what we were, or thought we were, into what God is doing now in us as individuals and in the body globally.
We had a lot of interaction with Restoration Movement churches and leaders in the 1970’s and into early 1990’s. We were so very appreciative of all the Lord restored to His Church through many faithful saints. These were solidly biblical churches with plurality of eldership, fully functioning fivefold gift ministries that were not overly authoritative, presbytery ministry for prophetically identifying and directing people in their gifts & callings, restoration of praise and worship and so much more. Very transformative and helpful for which we should be honoring and thankful of these folks. It’s no surprise that men’s flesh gets involved and muddies the water. Let us not remotely think we cannot do the same in this day.
1:05 this is absolutely the what needs to happen. The Body of Christ has become extremely divided.
I have a feeling this may be very edifying.
Thank You.
One of our problems in the church is that every new movement can become ' institutionalized' , our love can dry up and we become familiar with God and with each other .and of course deviate from the truth .This shows that in every generation we need to be continuallly filled and led by the Holy Spirit , who will inspire us and lead us into all truth as revealed in Jesus Christ .
The issue is not that charismatics screw up a lot it’s that very few of them exhibit accountability for those screw ups. They resist biblical correction most of the time. When you show them how they take a passage out of context they resist. All error comes down to lack of reverence for scripture & its author. If we all exhibit this trait. We will work things out and find ways forward to move as brother in love & unity. Commenting on 56:48
Learning about the Latter Rain for some reason about 4 yrs ago I heard an voice telling me Latter Rain. That's all so I dabbled about it but never really studied it A friend had given me the book on the Azusa street so maybe this is the time I take a look at it. That's how I came across this podcast.
Have you read anything about the 1948 Latter Rain Movement that began in North Battleford, Canada? I was once a part of that awesome movement ... and what I am hearing from this speaker is spot on! Glad Tidings Church in Vancouver, BC and Shiloh Church in Oakland, CA are two churches that are part of that movement.
Leaving The Message actually documents the false "awakening 's" of asuza and Jesus revolution.
Great discussion! Thank you.
Enjoyed very much!
Really informative content gentlemen. I appreciate what you are doing.
May the LORD God RESTORE this SPIRIT OF HOLINESS & REVIVAL back into the Body of Christ NOW in Jesus Name 🔥🔥🔥
I really like this show.
Great closing thoughts
Latter Rain is the foundation of the NAR 😊
@the remnant radio
2 topics I think would be good to cover and they are the shepherding movement and the Toronto blessing
I’m just seeing this now - have things gotten better - 29:20 “ things are going to get worse” (3 years later )
The problem with the kingdom now thing is it is creating in Christian’s the idea that we can create a heaven on earth society. That’s the main issue. It’s shift the focus from “do not love the word and the things of the world” to I can make this place perfect and good. And that’s not true. We are sojourners and we are not at home here. What we do is we simply abide in Christ and we will be salt & light. When Christ returns He will do the subduing. Commenting in relation to 29:18
Have you done one on Mike Bickles House of Prayer? He came out of the Kansas City prophets that had its roots in the Latter Rain Movement. Would be a good one
I am only at the 35 min mark so you maybe talk about this later, but I want to ask a question. How do Christians avoid these pitfalls? It seems that so many movements start off well but then they go off course, and it can happen in one generation. I would love to listen to a discussion on how to prevent a movement from going in the wrong direction.
Good citation of 1 Cor. 1.7. Bravo, the great proof against cessationism.
We should think of the gifts as extant rather than extinct.
They had these "Presbytery Meetings" which meant that a bunch of prophets from out of town (who you had never seen before) would basically "tell you what to do" with "your ministry" in the "Body of Christ." It was kind of spooky to me. You weren't supposed to disagree with the "prophets." People took this very seriously. For 2 years in a row, I fasted 3 straight days with only water 💧 over these meetings. The "prophets" would pick people out of the congregation (supposedly at random), and circle around them and give them "a word." I thought it was funny, because they never said anything to me and I was a member of that Church for 9 years. I noticed that the Pastor would go around whispering stuff to the "prophets." We were supposed to be closing our eyes in prayer, but I peeked. At that time I knew it was all (or mostly) bogus!!
Carol, As a former member of Shiloh with great love and respect for Pastor Violet and Pastor David (as well as Pastor Reg Layzell in Vancouver from where Violet started out) I am very disappointed and sorry that this was your experience at Shiloh. Surely you know that both Violet and David are highly respected and loved not only at Shiloh but all over the world ... and the great work they have done is legendary. I am just so sorry that what you are expressing here is your experience. That is not the experience of literally thousands of people who have known, loved and respected the ministry of The Kiteleys and Shiloh.
God hates religion and loves Faith and action. Trust and Obey!
I think I’m going to find this interesting. I live in northern Saskatchewan. Also, good job he said it right!
I went to Central Pentecostal College in Saskatoon and one of my profs knew some of the people involved.
Ministers Fellowship International has roots in the latter rain movement. If you want more information about that movement, I would recommend you talk to Frank Damazio, who was the overseer of MFI. They are out of Portland Oregon. They have their own Bible college there as well.
I knew that church from years ago as Portland Bible Temple. I believe that it is now known as Mannahouse Church. Wonderfully thriving congregation that does indeed have roots in The Latter Rain Movement
If anyone knows, can anyone explain why and how this fellow is an authority on the latter rain movement? I don’t remember anyone saying this at the beginning. 🙏
The reason I ask is that as I’m watching it there is a lot of talk about how it started and how great the ideas were at its Genesis and how bad it became but no references have been given no transcripts of what the leaders taught from the beginning and how it changed and became excessive. I like the episode is touching on the issues but how can I be subjective if I’m not given any data in terms of what was actually taught by those that actually taught these doctrines.
Not a great representation. It would be great if you could revisit this topic and read quotes by those who taught it.
I was also waiting for a summary of the main teachings with examples and names, but it never came.
I always learn SOOO much when I watch you guys, I used to be so hypocritical, judgmental of all the denominations, I used to claim non denominational and I had even gotten sucked into that new age and charismatic AND prosperity gospel line of thinking. Truely you have been used by God to smooth some edges in my character that no book, no study, no witnessing could have ever a complicated, I've really started to tap into Gods character, and His view of us as His bride.
And no worries, I promise I'm not going to start a new denominations because of this, even though the coexist pretty much has and the one world religion has began converting the masses with their clever way of highlighting unity and love and exceptance of all faiths, *shivers*
I used to actually think that God wanted all religions to combine as one. Looking back now I'm not sure I wouldn't have fallen i to the one world religion trap if I hadn't humbled myself and took and interest in learning through your show what faith, real faith verses dictatorship over a group, practicing authoritie in God's name as you guys were talking about. But anyways, you guys are really transforming how people view the body of Christ, you've been used by God to give me a gift of being aware of the details involved in what I used to only see as a fractured, weak, ruined, profusely bleeding out and dieing faith of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. Just because we all have different conviction or different callings, or different trials that lead to a need for a different way of connecting to God through the practice of going to and being open to learn from new denominations that are simply followers of Jesus. There is so much more I could say but I think its best to say, thankyou, praise God for your ministries, your annointings , and for both of you as far as your obediance to the will of our heavenly father, our Lord Jesus. Keep it up, I think the world needs to learn exactly what it is you guys are trying to say and share. 💯🙏💜
God wants all believers to edify regionally (because that's all they can do), as far as street corner assemblies....we will leave them to God and His sifting discretion......many will hear "Come out from among them and be separate, touch not the unclean thing"......speaking of unclean thing....does this podcast deal with Toronto/Brownsville debacle?
Christians do not "practice" anything.
Having some of my theological roots in the latter rain movement and developing relationships with and talking to many of the pastors who were involved with the LRM from the beginning on the West Coast and Canada, I see things totally different then what's being discussed here. In fact, in the 1980s I had many people who were directly associated with the latter rain movement as guest preachers in the church I was leading at the time. They were older gentleman in their seventies and even eighties. There are literally 20 different streams of those who claim the latter rain revivals as their foundation who hold to many doctrinal positions. In fact, two of these men that I knew (with the Lord now) were both strong Calvinists. I suppose that would make them pentacostal calvinists!
R.W. Deese
BTh; MDiv
I too was greatly affected by the latter rain movement (my pastor who is still alive, @95) was easily old enough to be my dad.....but the deepest original movement for me was the last of the Jesus People (Keith Green/2nd Chp of Acts/etc).
I was saved in 1978 and both the LRM and the JP blend had no conflicts at all.......we loved each other......and wow wow wow, the presence of the Holy Spirit was wonderful til about 81 then waned significantly in public!
Hello .... I am going to guess that some of those pastors might include Pastor Reg Layzell, Dick Iverson, Charlotte Baker, Violet Kiteley, David Kiteley and others? All very fine people who I miss greatly now that they are in heaven. I think I am fortunate in that my association with the Latter Rain movement never included any of those aberrant groups that existed (and surely still do). I look back at the worship and preaching at Glad Tidings in Vancouver and Shiloh in Oakland with great affection and longing for what God intends to do next!!
There are the testimonials from the Latter Rain Movement of 1948 with the last elder, Jim Watt associated at Battleford, Saskatchewan, Canada. Dr John Rodham interviews Jim Watt.
Yeah...many people don't know about the Saskatchewan connection. I had a prof at Central Pentecostal College ( which we jokingly called Central Prison Camp because of the curfew LOL!) in Saskatoon that knew some of the people involved.
The MFI ministry fellowship international by Dick Iverson in Portland is the only mainstream active network of churches remaining. Manna house, father's house and city church that became church home by Judah Smith's father Wendell
Can you interview Pastor Brian Zahnd please?
How can two walk together, unless they be agreed?
Rountree’s final thought 💯
My Pastor in the 1970's (and HER family came to the San Francisco Bay Area from 🇨🇦 Canada. I was in my 20's back then, and I'm not sure how much I paid attention (or understood) their teaching. I remember the Pastor talking about North Battleford in Canada. I don't really remember much about it. They were big on the "prophetic," and they were big on praise and worship. They also kept mentioning "Rebuilding the Tabernacle of David which had fallen down." I didn't understand that either. If someone knows what that means please let me know. They got kind of goofy after a few years with the Pastor taking extreme control, telling people what to do continually. Also, the "prophets" tried to control everyone (especially young people). I never understood the "Manifestation of the Sons of God" either...I'm glad I got out of there when I did.......
Hi Carol.......so, restoration of the tabernacle of David...David was a promise of a unique reign.......tabernacle = atmosphere. The atmosphere of David was one of very unique and vibrant relationship and praise and his Son Solomon who would build His house (God's house).......David house was spoken by Isaiah 22;22 (keys of the house of David = power of Holy Spirit)......not to neglect David in the wilderness as the type of the true church, hiding avoiding Saul (the false and backsliden church)......David had a heart after God, so the last day church will emulate this and shun insincere ritual.....Jesus really holds/and is the keys of David (Rev.3;7) and this promise of tabernacle/atmosphere is in Acts 15;16.
Was that Shiloh?
@@MinLeeMajors Yes it was/is Shiloh and I have to say that I would view Carol's statement as hers ... not necessarily of Pastor Violet Kiteley/Pastor David Kiteley (her son) or of the present leadership. When I was a member of Shiloh it was absolutely wonderful .. in worship, teaching, fellowship and oversight. Pastor Violet was a strong woman ... and even I (early on) saw her as authoratitive and frankly overbearing) but as I came to know her and dearly love her, I will say that it was style, certainly not substance, that was my problem. I and thousands of people throughout the world have the very highest regard, respect and love for Violet Kiteley.
Little a apostle vs Big A apostle, what's the difference and which one still exists in a 5 fold church
There is a latter rain church in Benoni South Africa
The Latter Rain Saints
Yes the the 7 mountain 🏔 mandate 😊 Joseph and Sampson
The William Branham historical research podcast goes into this movement a lot. I think it’s pretty eye-opening to see where some of the doctrines come from and who was involved in all of this. The history of it all is not very pretty once you look at the evidence and the facts
Congrats! Wonderful initiative. But why you always have to say that you don't agree with such and such. It might be good to count the number of times that you've said you don't agree in your videos. I thought you were acting as an anchor and interviewing people. Many a times your guests are most gracious, considering that you want to present the beliefs and schools of thought of all of Christendom. Besides that, you do a great job. We are celebrating your content, because we can compare, learn and above all respect our brothers and sisters, humbly considering ourselves, because like everybody else throughout history we may also be wrong. As a matter of fact, most of us would not even believe everything like the apostol Paul or James, for that matter. But of course, each one of us IS RIGHT and have THE TRUTH.
Well there are a lot of people who will be watching our show for the first time. We want them to know that we disagree with our guest so that we can display hospitable Christian charity in our disagreement. Something there’s not enough of on the internet.
In addition to that, many of our guest exist in communities where there is a very high “guilt by association” paradigm. By publicly stating that “we disagree“ it liberates them from potential attack in there own communities. Obviously I think the guilt by association culture is garbage. However, most movement and denominations today thrive on that kind of cult like thinking.
I don’t want my guest to lose any credibility when their own communities because of others who have come on my show who may look incriminating in these various communities.
That’s why we do it anyway. It might not be satisfactory for some. But it’s done with the purest of intentions I can muster lol ;)
@@TheRemnantRadio Totally agree
The NAR paranoia is really baffling, it's not monolithic, the pastors I know who are renounced are faithful to the apostle, Nicene, and Athanasius creeds....they bear fruit, build the Kingdom, love the Lord and people, and often disagree with each other on church government....
The one that can almost be called it’s own latter rain “denomination” would be branhamheits. To me personally very scary group. Commenting on 46:31
John Nelson Darby of the Plymouth Brethren wrecked the movement of the church with his Devils Brew that of his dispensation teaching. We are not waiting on the kingdom to come. We are living in the everlasting kingdom now. If Jesus did not establish it with the early church than its not going to happen.
The problem with the Preterists, Kingdom Now and Dominion Theo is they leave the Spirit of God out of things, so that they get the timing of future events wrong.
From what I have seen, it is disingenuous to say the Latter Rain, etc are no longer. They have only been rebranded. It's everywhere.
LRM seems to have been around in 1967 in West Virginia. If you watch the movie about the snake handling churches called "Holy Ghost People" they are singing songs asking for the latter rain.
Its all interwoven with the Pentecostal movement. All LRM is Pentecostal, yet not all Pentecostal would claim LRM. Its like cousins or even brother/sisters birthed from the same mother.
The Latter Rain Movement of New Battleford, CA 1948 is not at all associated with the Pentecostal (or Baptist) Snake handling churches.
I learned that Apostles were only those who JESUS appointed to write the New Testament ?
Luke - not named as an apostle
Mark - not named named an apostle
Jude - not named an apostle
Writer of Hebrews...?
And most of the original 12 chosen by Jesus didn't write a single word of scripture.
@@onesimustim8424 God makes those things that are not as though they are.
20 minutes in; if I continue, will "rain" be addressed? 🥴
Apostles with capital A is referring to the “sent ones” directly from Jesus.
The AOG isn't what it used to be. Now they have changed their names to not be identified as such and pretty much go with Kingdom Now or Dominion theology/ They lean towards NAR without knowing with it.
That’s not true. They have official documentations saying that they do not believe in modern day apostles and prophets.
ag.org/Beliefs/Position-Papers/Apostles-and-Prophets
Now there are some AOG churches that are NAR friendly, but the denomination as a whole rejects the NAR
@@TheRemnantRadio Thanks for the response. Good to know. A relief actually. I live in a sparsely populated state where the AOG's have changed their names to things like Northstar, Harvest, etc. These churches have gone over to the Dominion theology. The changes began over 20 years ago , 1997 to be exact, when an “apostle” came and captivated the young pastor where I attended A split occurred, the old AOG affirmed, however, the congregation was likewise captivated without understanding the doctrinal issues. A series of pastors came who had strong ties, even preaching relationships with the original “captive” pastor who ultimately became a disciple of Rod Bell. People from these churches who go on to Bible School may typically follow up with a stint at I-Hop. They listen to TBN, Mike Bikel, Patricia King, Lance Wallanu, Kat Kerr, and most guest speakers are NAR affiliated without the congregation really understanding. A pastor friend of mine was kicked out of the local E-free for teaching healing and found a niche in a name-changed AOG about 90 miles from me. Granted, my experience is very narrow, but also very deep. That is why your program is so important to me. I am a charismatic with no place to go. This movement almost seems to me to be a spiritual apostate movement. Perhaps the positron papers have remained the same, but the spiritual atmosphere where I live is quite different from when I first became a believer, 1981. What are your thoughts on the name-changed former AOG's? I notice that their websites don't seem to have any doctrinal details.
@@TheRemnantRadio Very good position statement: " The Pentecostal and charismatic movements have witnessed various excessive or misplaced theological emphases over the years. We look with grave concern on those who do not believe in congregational church government, who do not trust the maturity of local church bodies to govern themselves under Scripture and the Spirit. Such leaders prefer more authoritarian structures where their own word or decrees are unchallenged." It was written in 2001. I wonder if the same leaders would still have the caution today that was exercised by the writer of the position paper? There is a powerful sway of internet teachers, and Big names from the NAR exerting tremendous influence. Notice my comments below.
I was raised in AOG 1980-1998 and my experience ruined me for ever going to another AOG church again. Maybe we just had a rogue pastor but it ruined the whole thing for me.
this is such a serous doctrine ,like millions of followers in 21 countries being taught and trained for well over 40 years..SO MANY people are falling away into this .. they are saying great revival , bible says great falling away -its terrifying -steeped in new age practices and part of the prophecy groups that piggy back each others words online , i feel like i barely escaped,,he is saying the groups are mellow and just proactive ...NOT TRUE they are promising super powers and transfiguration's and that you will become christ literally -like they say that all the believers who EMPTY themselves out (empty mind meditation) will be filled ! that they will become super men !!!! they already are being filled with other spirits as they transcribe daily words about how they will stomp down other christians ,and take over the world - sorta like rick joyner book the final quest , i have friends who wont get healthcare as the voice tells them to wait for the transfiguration,,, THIS IS A AWFUL DOCTRINE !! and dangerous , the teachers of it do the necromancy and teach it as normal ,,everyone thinks its normal to have king david show up in your bedroom or Paul or any other figure in bible ...thats necromancy isnt it? to receive revelation or instruction from the dead ?,,,its a diaster and millions are awaiting this 'christ" i firmly believe one is surely coming ,,Jesus warned us in mathew 24 about this ...it wont end well THIS IS RAMPANT IN THE BODY -falls into the 3 days darkness camp folks also -i am grieved and vexxed over it tbh
I’d do more research on a a Allen’s death. I believe He was a genuine man of God and people staged that story to ruin his credibility
I think A A Allen's alcohol problem was relatively well known. He used to hold meetings in Stanislaus County, California in the 1960's. He had advertisements up all over Modesto. I was curious, but I wasn't a born-again Christian then, so I didn't go to his meetings.
I like his prophecy about the Statue of Liberty.
@@caroleimani9754 I was born in Empire, but call Modesto my home still. I do not remember A.A. Allen being here. Where? But It was well known that Billy Graham had preached in about 1950 near the Modesto Christmas tree location.
Manifest and Kingdom guys wait for the "appearing" in their hearts. They don't believe that the "appearing" is actually the physical presence of Jesus who receives the Kingdom from the Ancient of Days and hands it to the Son of Man who hands it to the Saints. They can worm around quite a bit with that misreading. Kingdom Now-ers believe that the Kingdom is now, not yet, not later, "we are the guys, we know more than you do because of our revelations." Jesus can't come back until we make the world ready for him. Sorry, Jesus will return after the tribulation, all seven years as prophesied by Daniel and played out in Revelation 6-19. Some people need to start reading the Bible like a newspaper: who, what, when, and where.
Very good historical perspective.
Suggestion: Follow-up on the "Jesus movement" that followed, especially in California. The remnants of John Roberts Stevens followers are still around. Some of the teachings on Biblical government and inter-submission are excellent.
I am however surprised at how 'positive' you express affection for Denominations which I read as being forbidden by Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:12 and 3:4.
The "Pastor as CEO" format in many local Churches is clearly an imitation of a worldly administration. The pastor is not even a foundational ministry; the apostles and prophets have no more passed away than the gifts. ALL are to minister in a gathering... not one person lecturing from behind a podium. The podiums are remnants of the pagan debates. The church just took one of them away. Jesus' true church is described in Ephesians but is hard to find these days. Blessings.
Oh yeah, how William Branham met with and shared things in common with Jim Jones!
The Hand That Moved The Cradle. Makes a Movement. They Never Approached The Subject Fron a Bíblical Point Of View
You're not David. (American Gospel).
Here’s a view from the UK. Just a view.
First off, the last programme I listened to I couldn’t endure to the end because the presenters continuously interrupted the guest. Really guys, I wanted to give you a fair chance, so tuned in again.
I know very little about Latter Rain. What I do know is that here in UK, and doubtless in the US too, we desperately need apostolically-led disruptive renewals of the church scene and our nations. And they would be messy. The round-up summary of potential versus power proved pertinent.
It’s so easy for us who haven’t been there to pontificate. St Francis remonstrated with his second generation disciples, because they wanted to record the movement’s early acts of love and mercy rather than getting out and doing it all again!
For example: heavy shepherding and top-down structures? Oh, you guys, you do so betray your idolatry at the States-side shrine of Liberty. Humanity’s basic problem is independence, and the believers’ safely is in submission. New Testament leaders were fallible, too.
And bewailing ‘prescription’? A new enterprise can’t distinguish itself from the past without creating some sharp edges, no matter how immature and regrettable they become in hindsight. I’d rather have the new Holy Spirit thing with an ‘ouch’, than no advance. Actually you guys presenting doubtless subconsciously operate from ‘prescription’ in your podcast format, too, with just such a motive!
There you go. I will make an intention (no promise) to listen again.
Your U.K. has the advantage of having a much longer history than we. But help me with this. Why are so few over there infant baptised instead of the Biblical way of being adult baptised--and that in Jesus' name rather than the trinitarian titles?
@ralphowen3367 Why 'unbiblical' infant baptism in UK. Because the C of E grew out of the Reformation, which by-and-large preserved previous Catholic practise in this regard. Parents didn't want their children to die without it. Officials relied on church records (as folks researching ancestry today do) for e.g. tax purposes. Only the Anabaptists and Separatists got radical. Another case of culture trumps theology, as we see so often. Hope this helps.
@@iancallard3561 Thanks for that. I am thankfully adult baptised--re-baptised. I read recently in Things To Come by Dwight Pentecost that the kingdom to come is when sound theology will get restored.
When Bro Branham would speak, his English grammar was bad, and his theology worse. A lot of ministers gnashed their teeth and wrung their hands when he preached. For such Bro Branham, a man to try to teach doctrinal truth was, naturally speaking, courting disaster.
As the Spirit moved on him, he got much doctrine right.
@@ralphowen3367 Sad to say it was the wrong Spirit, he got much doctrine wrong.
@@neoturfmasterMVS Yes, but at one point he had the nature of God--One Being/Person in Himself, but with three offices, modes or manifestations--right. Then on Christians not being capable of sinning, he openly professed, saying there is no possibility of there being a sinning saint. But the Serpent Seed heresy must have been born of some alcohol vapers from his parents
Now I believe in generational curses, but not for the born again. Others more knowledgeable than I say that it was because of his lack of education, perhaps remnants from the southern rebellion that caused him to leave the preaching ministry and delve into teaching, which God was not pleased with.
His ministry had many healing miracles. God uses very flawed people, Moses stuttered, David committed adultery and murder, Paul persecuted the church.
I love how this guy is trying to describe all this heretical nonsense as a very good thing. 🤮🤮🤮
Let's use the title 5 fold and then tell people they are throwing the baby out with bathwater. Thought stop device much? Yeah, buddy that a four letter word for a lot of people.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves...... wouldn’t that make a great show.
Or how about this.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”
Now.! ask yourself the question who is Jesus talking about.. ....i’m sure it’s not
Todd Bentley, Mike Bickel, Bill Johnson,
Rick Joyner..etc. ....NAH....NOPE.!
Here’s another show you could do.
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;”
Just trying to give you guys some ideas 💡
NAR.......Wolves at the top...... just maybe you think... let’s not point fingers, the wolves did not have their dinner yet.
Hey bro. Did you know we have made videos condemning Keneth Copeland as an Apostate?
Did you know we have gone out of our way to address the false teachings and unchristian practices of Bob Jones, Todd Bently, and Kat Kerr, and Robert Henderson?
Maybe you missed the Episode where I spent an hour condemning these self-induced "spirit feald-trips"?
But surely you watched the three hours of content we produced on Robert Hindersons Courts of heaven video. Where we used citations of his book and morn over its many errors and erroneous teachings?
Have you seen our work we did denouncing progressive Christianity, or maybe our video condemning the new age teachings of Richard Rohr?
Maybe you have seen our video where we look at the Physics of heaven book, you know, the one forwarded by Bethel Leaders. did you see how we found the New Age teachings and condemned them?
Maybe you saw the episode where Steven Bancarz came on to Condemn the excesses in the Charismatic movement and its willingness to collaborate with new Age practices?
Or how about the video we did with Doug and Holly the two leading authors in Identifying and condemning NAR practices. Did you watch that two-hour program where we went through NAR teachings and readily agreed that they were unorthodox?
Have you watched the 4 videos we did condemning Gnosticism?
How about the videos where we condemned Moral Therapeutic Deism, reader-response theory, and neo-gnostic interpretations of scripture?
Did you watch the one we did on false conversion?
But surely you saw the two we did on Marcionism? and the countless episodes we have done condemning an excessive Kenosis Heresy, or the Modalism Heresy, or the Arianism Heresy?
It seems you are implying that we don't make content where we identify false teachings... If this is the case... you are obviously mistaken.
@@TheRemnantRadio Well I hit a Nerve.
Have you ever warned your audience that the people you expose could be Wolves in sheep's clothing and they run in PACKS.
Here's another QUESTION? Is it possible that someone could expose a false teacher or an evil source then at the same time lead their followers to the same destination/ trap. There is a lot packed into that question.
Lets use Tom Horn as an example of many: Doesn't the Bible say be simple of evil. But at the same time Horn floods his audience with every detail in the occult in every imaginable way under the term knowledge. Very crafty I must say and it is a occult practice.
I'll end with this. There is a saying going around, we can agree to disagree.
And that statement is bringing more deception then one can imagine.
@@146truthstreet7 soo your church has one member?! you right?!! Get an education first
@@dawsonjarrell Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
My Education comes from:
The King of Kings.........................
Well that hit a nerve -
Yongi Chow a great influence? I don't think so
Did you forget the scam when he scammed the congregation?