Cheers for this, been searching for "do you roll or throw a bowling ball?" for a while now, and I think this has helped. You ever tried - Piylivern Remarkable Predominance - (do a search on google ) ? It is a great exclusive product for discovering how to up your bowling game quickly minus the normal expense. Ive heard some super things about it and my colleague got excellent results with it.
This is a powerful strategy. I've come to realize this overtime that just adjusting my rotation can be helpful on different pane conditions. Great video 💯
220 league bowler before Covid. Epilepsy afterwards. Hadn't been on the Lanes in two years. Bowled 6/3/21. 5 games. Not one pass a Buck 50. I'm 64. Gett'n back to work. Every tip helps. Thanks.
The best explanation I have seen to date, along with video of the release! Thank you, from a long, long ago league bowler returning to this modern game.
This video is perfect for helping me understand the “why” in tucking the pinky. I was told to tuck my pinky, in order to help me come around the ball, but this video shows it should be the exact opposite. And now I actually understand and see what the reaction is. Thanks!
1:03 Great analogy between the shapes created from up the back of the ball it versus around the side. Shapes down lane creates the pin action that creates pin carry.
Awhile back you had a lesson on throwing practice shots right of your normal target line. I had 3 opposing bowls throwing around 1st arrow. I'm a 175 avg bowler but that night I had a 662 came in second place in the sweeper for a cool $110
Good watching the vidoes bowling swing and how to release the ball good it's only got back to nowlingvthis your at at 70 co in bowling to 50 yv3 our better I improving each day
I have one of two ways I generate rev's, one is two cuffs it and like a yo-yo flick it off my hands from the finger-tips, only I don't flick up, I flick my hand up and to the side, which creates a nice gyro spin, the other way is right as I bring the ball back, I bring my wrist into my hips to put the ball on its side, that is far over-reacting balls. One of the most important things to hooking the ball and one issue I ran into for years, is gripping the ball too tight and not using tape. For years I never got the revs I wanted and it was all due to the Vulcan death grip I put on my ball. The day I went to tape, my revs doubled.
Thanks for the video! I always assumed that going up the back was for straight shots but watching the video helped me get past that, I’ll have to try it out when I bowl next since I always kind of went along the top and side.
Very good, but since I've had to start wearing a Roby III brace after injuring my wrist, I'm not finding many that can explain how to do it now. Now I'm coming straight up the back 95% of the time. Without the brace, I am now able to get a good 20-25 frames.
Thank you for sharing that I have a question on the cross overstep how exaggerated should it be. Would love to see you do a piece on that could watch you bowl all day every day. Great job 🎃👍
Thanks for watching and thanks for the great question. Even though it's referred to as the cross over step, it really shouldn't cross over past the previous step. Ideally that "cross over" step should end up just more in front of the previous step to help to create room for the swing. I hope that helps to answer your question ands thanks again for watching our videos!
When you go back into your arm swing do not engage any muscles. Let gravity bring your ball down in a smooth continuous motion. Just before releasing engage your muscles and hook the ball. Relax your muscles in the downswing. This helped me alot.
@@TheVlad1616 it takes a lot of time...I did this for years and I’m almost fully 100% gravity driven on my swing now and it’s so much easier for repeatability on shots.
Nice video. With fresh oil I stay behind the ball nice and easy to the pocket. When we practice lanes are dry i go to a ball that hooks less and have to practically break my arm to get more speed to stay in the pocket any other ideas. Thanks 😊.
@@kevinscarborough9982 I am good friends with all the Managers at the lanes and even though we know when leagues are they just don't know how many times there going to oil. I don't mind the challenge of a semi dry lane i just don't want to kill my arm to bad 57 years old.😀😃🙂
You have to stay in the oil. If the 10 board is dried up or carried down, it's best to make parallel moves towards the center of the lane. So if you were striking at the 10 board and then after a few frames your ball starts to leave 4 pins, it's best to move in increments of 3. Like 3 with you feet and 2 with your eyes. So if you were standing on board 17 and throwing over 10 you'd then stand on 20 and throw over 12-13 in order to make your ball skid longer down the lane. The break point will always be the same spot down lane. So if the lane pattern is 40 feet, the bowling ball will start to hook left or right at 40 regardless of whatever board your ball crosses at that time. A lot of people get stuck on pattern length minus 31. So 40-31=9 the 9 board being the break point into the pocket. But if your ball hooks more or less will be the determining factor. They say throw at the 9 board at 40 feet and have your ball hook into the pocket? What if your ball only hooks 5 or 6 boards? You'll hit light pocket and cause yourself lots of problems. The main goal is to watch your ball and keep a mental note in your head on how much hook your ball has while you're playing. That's why this game is so difficult is because it's a struggle to keep the skid hook roll phase of your ball in check from frame to frame. Never second guess your bowling ball because the ball never lies to you. Whether your ball hits the pocket and strikes or comes up high or light it's telling you what you need to do with your feet and eyes on your next shot. Hopefully this helps and good luck with your bowling:-)
Hi there! It's super difficult to give a general answer due to the fact that the lanes are different each time. However, "generally speaking," when the lanes start to burn up and break down, more rotation is going to be beneficial because it is going to help your ball get through all of the friction and retain more energy for when it exits the pattern. Again, it all depends on what shape you're trying to create on the lane, so there is no perfect answer to this.
I do have a question it may be relative to this piece or it may not be but if you could answer is in a video for reply would be helpful how do I get my fingers underneath the equator of the ball I always seem to be releasing it more from the top
Hello Shannon I'm I'm Philadelphia where is the closest training near my area to you to go and gets certified lessons from someone that really knows ball motion and releases
I have to adjust my release every dang night and it is a pain in the butt. I like those nights when you can just stick with your most comfortable release all night. I doubt 5% of league bowlers think to or are capable of doing this. If you want to maintain a high average, you have to put up with the annoyance, as well as deal with nights when your adjustments don’t work.
Hey there! Some people do use a tucked pinky to achieve higher rotation. It is all about what feels best for you and in your case, what allows your hand to rotate around the ball most consistently when trying to achieve higher rotation!
It takes time and a lot of practice! Make sure to remember the wrist and elbow are two totally different parts of the arm, and you can rotate the wrist without moving the elbow! Keep working at it!
That car and ice analogy is horrible for someone from Fla who never even seen snow let some ice. Maybe find a more inclusive analogy. Thanks for the tips though. Love your vids
Think of it more like throwing a football with an underhand spiral. Thumb comes out of the ball, and your fingers come around from 6 o’clock to 3 when you let it go
Once you have the ball in your hand position regardless of where it's at, try to maintain that position throughout the entire swing. You don't allow your wrist to break at anytime during your swing. This will keep your hand below the equator of the ball at the release. Put your hand in the ball and let your hand relax naturally holding the ball at your side. You will notice that your thumb and fingers are holding the ball on the top half of the bowling ball. Now flex your wrist to make it perfectly flat or slightly cupped and the ball will rise and your fingers will be below the equator is where you want them. Then while your wrist is in that firm position, turn your index finger so that it points straight down to the floor. This is the correct position you want your hand, wrist, and ball to match this position at address and throughout the entire swing. Relaxed hand with the firm wrist and allow the ball to swing past your upper body without leaning too far forward and the bowling ball will travel down the lane in a nice tight spiral. Swing at the foul line like your trying to brush the lane arrows with the tips of your fingers. You want the feeling that your hand is chasing the ball down the lane rather lifting up towards the ceiling. This gets you to roll the ball forward down rather than lifting up on the finger holes during the release. It takes some practice to get used to especially if you've been doing everything that feels comfortable to you. Your lane accuracy will improve as well. Good luck.
@@badknees82 Most of the time when you get your thumb hung up in your ball is because of over rotation of your hand at release. If your thumb is at 8 or 9 o'clock at your release point and your thumb hole is a bit snug you'll hang up in the ball. Any thumb position from 10 to 3 as long as your wrist is firm throughout your swing you shouldn't have any issues with your thumb hanging up. If you do, have your pitch in the thumb hole looked at.
Smart, beautiful and full of bowling knowledge. Keep up the videos please.
Thanks for watching!
Cheers for this, been searching for "do you roll or throw a bowling ball?" for a while now, and I think this has helped. You ever tried - Piylivern Remarkable Predominance - (do a search on google ) ? It is a great exclusive product for discovering how to up your bowling game quickly minus the normal expense. Ive heard some super things about it and my colleague got excellent results with it.
Last nite I shot 150 the first game switched my grip to spreading my pinky and index fingers went straighter and shot 239 and 199. Thanks for the tip
This is a powerful strategy. I've come to realize this overtime that just adjusting my rotation can be helpful on different pane conditions. Great video 💯
220 league bowler before Covid. Epilepsy afterwards. Hadn't been on the Lanes in two years. Bowled 6/3/21. 5 games. Not one pass a Buck 50. I'm 64.
Gett'n back to work. Every tip helps. Thanks.
The best explanation I have seen to date, along with video of the release! Thank you, from a long, long ago league bowler returning to this modern game.
Spreading the index finger really helped me. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I love your videos.
This is the best tip you guys have given so far !! Keep it up on the awesome work !!!
Thanks for watching!
Great analogy with car and ice.
Well explaned! Thanks for taking time to help our games!
Sent this to my friend because he was stressed yesterday trying to hook the ball. Thanks Shannon!
This video is perfect for helping me understand the “why” in tucking the pinky. I was told to tuck my pinky, in order to help me come around the ball, but this video shows it should be the exact opposite. And now I actually understand and see what the reaction is. Thanks!
This tip added to what my coach is teaching me helped me bowl a more consistent higher scoring game. Thanks!!!
1:03 Great analogy between the shapes created from up the back of the ball it versus around the side. Shapes down lane creates the pin action that creates pin carry.
Absolutely great tips. You have become my online bowling coach. Thank you and keep the videos coming.
Loved the video! Great information...
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the great tips Shannon! Your college team is in great hands with you giving them great coaching.
Great tip. Explained so well
These are small variations which happen quickly but have a big impact on ball reaction down lane!!
Very helpful. Thanks Shannon!🙏
Great tips Shannon! Thank You!
Excellent tutorial on Bowling release.
Awhile back you had a lesson on throwing practice shots right of your normal target line. I had 3 opposing bowls throwing around 1st arrow. I'm a 175 avg bowler but that night I had a 662 came in second place in the sweeper for a cool $110
Nice!!! Way to go!!!
I sure liked that tip concerning the ring finger.
Brilliant! Concise and to the point.
unlike those douchebags brad and kyle...
Very well done! Easy to understand and retain the instruction. Thank You
Love the simple tips
Thanks for the tips~ Lately got lost with my release and here reminds me what to do
Good watching the vidoes bowling swing and how to release the ball good it's only got back to nowlingvthis your at at 70 co in bowling to 50 yv3 our better I improving each day
I have one of two ways I generate rev's, one is two cuffs it and like a yo-yo flick it off my hands from the finger-tips, only I don't flick up, I flick my hand up and to the side, which creates a nice gyro spin, the other way is right as I bring the ball back, I bring my wrist into my hips to put the ball on its side, that is far over-reacting balls. One of the most important things to hooking the ball and one issue I ran into for years, is gripping the ball too tight and not using tape. For years I never got the revs I wanted and it was all due to the Vulcan death grip I put on my ball. The day I went to tape, my revs doubled.
AWESOME INFO--THANK YOU
Thanks for the video! I always assumed that going up the back was for straight shots but watching the video helped me get past that, I’ll have to try it out when I bowl next since I always kind of went along the top and side.
Thank you Diane
Great video, Shannon. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the very useful information.
Very good, but since I've had to start wearing a Roby III brace after injuring my wrist, I'm not finding many that can explain how to do it now. Now I'm coming straight up the back 95% of the time. Without the brace, I am now able to get a good 20-25 frames.
Thank you for sharing that I have a question on the cross overstep how exaggerated should it be. Would love to see you do a piece on that could watch you bowl all day every day. Great job 🎃👍
Thanks for watching and thanks for the great question. Even though it's referred to as the cross over step, it really shouldn't cross over past the previous step. Ideally that "cross over" step should end up just more in front of the previous step to help to create room for the swing. I hope that helps to answer your question ands thanks again for watching our videos!
Hi Shannon it thomas glass i got a question how do throw the bowling ball down the lane without hitting the arm
Awesome explanation and video
Awesome tutorial thank you!
Thanks shannon,
My issue is muscling the ball down and/or turning the ball too early (before it’s off the thumb). Will have to try the pinky finger trick.
Give it a try! Keep working hard!
When you go back into your arm swing do not engage any muscles. Let gravity bring your ball down in a smooth continuous motion. Just before releasing engage your muscles and hook the ball. Relax your muscles in the downswing. This helped me alot.
Kevin Scarborough bad habits are hard to break. I am doing it less and less though. Better timing has helped a lot with that as well.
@@TheVlad1616 it takes a lot of time...I did this for years and I’m almost fully 100% gravity driven on my swing now and it’s so much easier for repeatability on shots.
Great video thank you!!🎳
Thanks Shannon. I love your analogies. It helps to have a common visual to apply.
Excellent I'll try that method next time,te KAHA
Nice video. With fresh oil I stay behind the ball nice and easy to the pocket. When we practice lanes are dry i go to a ball that hooks less and have to practically break my arm to get more speed to stay in the pocket any other ideas. Thanks 😊.
That's why I only practice on days after leagues are played. Still oil out there. Weekends suck for practicing.
@@kevinscarborough9982 I am good friends with all the Managers at the lanes and even though we know when leagues are they just don't know how many times there going to oil. I don't mind the challenge of a semi dry lane i just don't want to kill my arm to bad 57 years old.😀😃🙂
You have to stay in the oil. If the 10 board is dried up or carried down, it's best to make parallel moves towards the center of the lane. So if you were striking at the 10 board and then after a few frames your ball starts to leave 4 pins, it's best to move in increments of 3. Like 3 with you feet and 2 with your eyes. So if you were standing on board 17 and throwing over 10 you'd then stand on 20 and throw over 12-13 in order to make your ball skid longer down the lane. The break point will always be the same spot down lane. So if the lane pattern is 40 feet, the bowling ball will start to hook left or right at 40 regardless of whatever board your ball crosses at that time. A lot of people get stuck on pattern length minus 31. So 40-31=9 the 9 board being the break point into the pocket. But if your ball hooks more or less will be the determining factor. They say throw at the 9 board at 40 feet and have your ball hook into the pocket? What if your ball only hooks 5 or 6 boards? You'll hit light pocket and cause yourself lots of problems. The main goal is to watch your ball and keep a mental note in your head on how much hook your ball has while you're playing. That's why this game is so difficult is because it's a struggle to keep the skid hook roll phase of your ball in check from frame to frame. Never second guess your bowling ball because the ball never lies to you. Whether your ball hits the pocket and strikes or comes up high or light it's telling you what you need to do with your feet and eyes on your next shot. Hopefully this helps and good luck with your bowling:-)
@@jayvallandingham2406 thanks for this breakdown… pretty cool. I’ll screen shot this for later haha 👍🏽😏
When the lanes break down what's the best thing to do? Come around it super hard or out the back?
Hi there! It's super difficult to give a general answer due to the fact that the lanes are different each time. However, "generally speaking," when the lanes start to burn up and break down, more rotation is going to be beneficial because it is going to help your ball get through all of the friction and retain more energy for when it exits the pattern. Again, it all depends on what shape you're trying to create on the lane, so there is no perfect answer to this.
I do have a question it may be relative to this piece or it may not be but if you could answer is in a video for reply would be helpful how do I get my fingers underneath the equator of the ball I always seem to be releasing it more from the top
Hello Shannon I'm I'm Philadelphia where is the closest training near my area to you to go and gets certified lessons from someone that really knows ball motion and releases
Does any one knows where I can buy the wrist support from Vise that Shannon O'Keefe used?
So what if u don’t release the ball not wrist up and more ape style the back of my hand is up not my palm and wrist ?
Great info, but the video about the pinky being in tight does not reflect that. It shows the pinky spread.
I have to adjust my release every dang night and it is a pain in the butt. I like those nights when you can just stick with your most comfortable release all night. I doubt 5% of league bowlers think to or are capable of doing this. If you want to maintain a high average, you have to put up with the annoyance, as well as deal with nights when your adjustments don’t work.
Which is better for condition oilie or dry
thank you
Thank you for watching our videos! We really hope they are helping you on the lanes!!
Thank u thank u😍😘
Hi just wanted know where you buy your wrist support. Thanks
Is the tucked pinky a good way to achieve higher rotation?
Hey there! Some people do use a tucked pinky to achieve higher rotation. It is all about what feels best for you and in your case, what allows your hand to rotate around the ball most consistently when trying to achieve higher rotation!
Need to be very careful about tucking your pinky finger because you can very easily damage tendons in your ring finger.
Where did you get your Wrist Brace?
Saludos desde Bogotá Colombia
Thanks for watching!
Bowlers in Texas finally understand that driving analogy.
Νice video. But you forgot to shoot a high axis rotation with the pinky tucked in. That shot also had the pinky spread as with the low axis.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the feedback!
@@insidebowling good feedback is valuable , no worries. Thanks for making these videos.
I have found you can not hook the ball when the ball is meant for straight throws
Buen juego
Saludos desde Bogotá Colombia quisiera saber de páginas en español😋😋😋😋😋👍👍🌹👍
Shannon O'Keefe ^o^
I worry about that driver who hit the ice patch
PAP?
I get uncomfortable going around the ball because of chicken wing
It takes time and a lot of practice! Make sure to remember the wrist and elbow are two totally different parts of the arm, and you can rotate the wrist without moving the elbow! Keep working at it!
JR Raymond has an excellent training video on how to lose the chicken wing.
@@kevinscarborough9982 I recommend viewing his videos.
@@jimwilliams4088 I have been for a year and a half now.
subtítulos español,
coming up the back of the ball is like throwing a yoyo.
That car and ice analogy is horrible for someone from Fla who never even seen snow let some ice. Maybe find a more inclusive analogy. Thanks for the tips though. Love your vids
So am I coming up like I'm shaking someone's hand..?..
Think of it more like throwing a football with an underhand spiral. Thumb comes out of the ball, and your fingers come around from 6 o’clock to 3 when you let it go
Once you have the ball in your hand position regardless of where it's at, try to maintain that position throughout the entire swing. You don't allow your wrist to break at anytime during your swing. This will keep your hand below the equator of the ball at the release. Put your hand in the ball and let your hand relax naturally holding the ball at your side. You will notice that your thumb and fingers are holding the ball on the top half of the bowling ball. Now flex your wrist to make it perfectly flat or slightly cupped and the ball will rise and your fingers will be below the equator is where you want them. Then while your wrist is in that firm position, turn your index finger so that it points straight down to the floor. This is the correct position you want your hand, wrist, and ball to match this position at address and throughout the entire swing. Relaxed hand with the firm wrist and allow the ball to swing past your upper body without leaning too far forward and the bowling ball will travel down the lane in a nice tight spiral. Swing at the foul line like your trying to brush the lane arrows with the tips of your fingers. You want the feeling that your hand is chasing the ball down the lane rather lifting up towards the ceiling. This gets you to roll the ball forward down rather than lifting up on the finger holes during the release. It takes some practice to get used to especially if you've been doing everything that feels comfortable to you. Your lane accuracy will improve as well. Good luck.
Well that's my other problem..somtyme I have problems getting my thumb out of the ball first...and I do use tape.....
@@badknees82 Most of the time when you get your thumb hung up in your ball is because of over rotation of your hand at release. If your thumb is at 8 or 9 o'clock at your release point and your thumb hole is a bit snug you'll hang up in the ball. Any thumb position from 10 to 3 as long as your wrist is firm throughout your swing you shouldn't have any issues with your thumb hanging up. If you do, have your pitch in the thumb hole looked at.
@@jayvallandingham2406 ok thanks...
Shannon has great teeth. 【ツ】
The wiry branch nearly replace because jump isely type during a brown cooking. bad, puffy rotate
Good stuff. Thank you.