Love the banter and chemistry between these 3! ❤ They just never skip a beat with each other (“I’m dying right now.” 😂). What a great trio of knowledgeable perspectives who think critically about the parks!
Brickey is exactly right in describing the best case scenario of Cars replacing Rivers of America being something like how Grizzly River Run sits in DCA. He is right that when you walk around the perimeter of that 4 acre attraction, it feels like wilderness and intimate in areas. That is possible IF they block the views of the cartoony cars (and frankly blocking the view of various Frontierland attractions and building for the riders on the Cars attraction is equally important). It's quite possible that the overhead rendering Disney released was a mistake (kind of like their disastrous POV of Tiana's), that it showed a fear-inducing, worst-case-scenario-inspiring view of Cars in Frontierland by showing a drone view no guest will ever actually see. If they release renderings of the "street view" at various places in Frontierland and you see rock work and waterfalls -- and no cars -- that could go a long way in calming this issue down.
Agreed, I think it's important to have Walt have a notable presence in his park before everyone that knew him is gone... Doing it as part of the 70th Anniversary is a great occasion.
The biggest problem with Cars Land at MK is that it removes the last natural beauty and vibes (rip rose garden), and it makes no sense thematically alongside the strip of Frontierland and Liberty Square. Your gonna get off an old west mine train at Big Thunder, and 50ft away you will see TVs and living modern cars? It seems impossible to separate the themes well from what will remain of that existing Frontier strip... It's not enough space... hopefully they prove me wrong
The idea of tropical Americas fits perfectly, as long as they add an animal trail! (they won't😪)... I think most fans would prefer they just overhaul Dinosaur instead of Indy though, it could work in any land within that park, but alas, it's not "relevant" IP... I'm kinda surprised they're going with Indiana Jones too since the recent movie flopped pretty bad.
I've come to terms with losing the riverboat and island in MK. I'll miss it, but I'm hopeful the Cars area will still feature enough natural beauty in its design to not ruin the vibe around Mansion/Liberty Square/etc. The one "this feels wrong" thing I'm still hung up on is that Frontierland and the surrounding attractions very much evoke the past, and the Cars art they showed feels very modern. That seems a little tonally dissonant for Frontierland. But if they make it work, I'll be fine with it.
The area will look similar to Grizzly Peak at Disney California Adventure -- lots of rocks, pine trees, waterfalls, and streams. The building architecture will be the "parkitecture" style found in US National Parks.
Somebody needs to argue to me "why" we cannot have BOTH, the Rivers...and...Cars, "together" at the same time. "Why" MUST Cars go on top of the Rivers?? "Why" is the River the ONLY place that Cars can go?? (Any other land is impossible) Until then...leave the River alone and build Cars in another place. We CAN have BOTH!
You got it backwards. They're not getting rid of the River because they desperately wanted the River. They put in Cars to fill up the space when the River was taken out. Park operations has wanted to get rid of the River for a long time. It hurts guest flow because of the dead ends at Haunted Mansion and Big Thunder Mountain. It is also a headache and expensive to maintain, especially after a storm. The river bed is in especially bad shape, and it's not worth fixing it for two attractions that few guests actually use. So... Villains land is going in the northern 2/3 of the river area, and Disney picked Cars for the lower-third -- mainly because they sell so much Cars merchandise in Cars Land in California.
@@Primogen16 By that same logic, Disney demolished Horizons. They could have fixed the foundation but they took the easy route. The entire park is a headache to maintain so every high maintenance item should be removed?
The reason why you can’t have both basically comes down to one word - “MONEY”. Disney is a business and they need to make all areas of their existing parks profitable first (unlike RoA). The “land for expansion” is worth millions sitting vacant, and who says it will be used for park attractions and not just more hotels, businesses, and DVC?
@@WrongsGoneRon - Rivers of America has been therr FOREVER. It has never "stopped" them from makes zillions. Have plants and grass and flowers that need plenty of budget to maintain does NOT generate profit? Does that mean Disney should scrap every park feature that does not directly make money? Invest in the island and make it a bigger attraction and mars Cars on an empty part of land that makes ZERO money today.
Glad to see Mark on again and with Tom back, to boot. Love the discussion. Props to all three of you. Brickey, we knew you were anti skipper, but telling the world? 😉😂 This is great, guys.
Brickey is the best podcast guest of all time!! The only advice I would give to Brickey is to watch Disney movies from the past to better predict Disney's future, and they have many other park-related benefits to them. Tom, you are an all-things Disney person, a true Disney savant. I would love to see a podcast with you and Brayden from Mickey Views although it could be more of a problem than just having 2 greats on the same channel. Eric, I would not even mention Indiana Jones again, that was scary.
16:47 we don’t need to get rid of rides at DCA to bring new rides. We need additional rides in addition to what is already there because we need more people eaters. I don’t understand why they want to get rid of rides especially ones that aren’t part of the cheap pier rides. I like to do grizzly river run and then do Incredicoaster which dries me off very fast.
First off the bone yard is so cute and second as a mom of 4…. ANY play areas that are inside AC and themed cute are HIGHLY appreciated!!!! we have never rode mission space but that playground at the exit is a must everytime lol especially when you have some that want to ride guardians but not all can… yeah it’s great!
Yes, the Boneyard is a huge favorite with our kids! I hope that they can figure out a way to keep it or re-theme it because that place is always packed with families, esp. when the animals are hiding out for the day. They need to add some misting fans and more shade over the seating areas, though. WDW parks have so much wasted space, they could easily wedge a few more playgrounds like the Boneyard or the Dumbo playground or Big Top splash pad in every park. That would be a big help for families and give people something to do that doesn’t require a line, which is especially important for little kids!
Tom I love your idea on moving Muppets to where Lightning McQeen is and retheme Rock n roller-coaster to Electric Meyham and then we can have the merch back. And even rethem the kiosk to some fun muppet themed food. That would be amazing
Dino-Rama is the past, Pangaea from Jim Henson's Dinosaurs is the future, Dinosaur is the past, The Excavator is the future, in the name of SpongeBob's Last Stand and Gloveworld R.I.P. And don't get me started on Disney pressing Encanto, we got a live show over at EPCOT, so why not make that attraction over there with something that would fit the bill when it comes to winning over Epic Universe.
I personally would love it if, in the new tropical Americas area of Animal Kingdom, we got more actual animal exhibits. I know they’re expensive, but south and Central America have so many amazing and cool animals and would help tie the theming together. That I think it would be a great addition.
That’s a great idea, I hope they do as well! It’s always felt like only a portion of AK has actual animals in it, they should spread them out throughout the park. Dinoland USA always felt like a temporary carnival in a parking lot, I hope they can make it more immersive - animals would help with that!
Talking about the horseman, right before Covid they had an event for a couple years at Fort Wilderness called the return to sleepy hollow. They screened the old cartoon in the barn among the horses and you would get an exclusive pin and snacks and such. A dessert party was added the final year in the blacksmith’s shop before the movie, and it was so much fun! After the movie there was always a photo op with the actual headless horseman on his horse. We have been dying for them to bring that back.
Agree Tom! I'm very sad about It's Tough to be a Bug leaving... Disney needs to update opening day attractions instead of replacing them entirely. There's too much lazy IP replacement in general for Imagineering to be in a true "golden age", and even worse, these IP reliant replacements are being built with zero regard for thematic integrity! Zootopia makes no sense in the Tree of Life, and the proposed Cars Land is another perfect example...
Eric touched on the laziness perfectly! Runaway Railway and Guardians make no sense in their location either. Cars doesn't belong in Frontierland nor MK at that scale...If anything it's fantasyland material.
Thank you for a great discussion about all of the D23 news! I'm looking forward to most of what is on the horizon, but not hearing the Liberty Belle steam whistle echo throughout the park will be dearly missed. Could Walt Disney World please save the steam whistle and place it just off stage and regularly let it blast. There would be a lot of Disney adults that would absolutely love that!!!
SpectroMagic is my favorite parade they've ever done... I wish they'd bring that waltz back for the new parade, but regardless, that announcement was one of the most exciting for me
I hope the non-roller coaster attraction in Villains Land is the Shanghai Pirates ride system. Floating over dark, treacherous water will capture the forbidding mood more than a dry ride system. And things can rise out of the water around our vehicle, like crocodiles, sharp shards of rock, Ursula...or we can float into things like the whale's mouth on Disneyland's Storybook Canal Boats but more animated and ominous. They could have a thunder storm with pouring rain in which the rain magically falls all around us as we move through the room but not directly on top of us. The potential for a "greatest dark ride" ever exists here.
Thanks for an interesting discussion. A few thoughts: 1. Just because the Rivers of America and Tom Sawyer's Island at the Magic Kingdom don't work right now, and need renovation, doesn't mean you plop a sentient car area in Frontierland. First, don't get rid of a huge water feature. Second, don't ruin the thematic logic of the park by putting cartoon cars in the land that is designed to be the western historical frontier. If this space is too valuable to leave as is, then rethink Tom Sawyer's Island, and rethink the river. First, bring back the canoes. Second, put themed things to see from the Riverboat: animals, or cowboys, or western legends. Add a second sort of boat on the river. Keep the river but put a ride where Tom Sawyer's Island is, like that geyser mountain ride planned but never built for Disneyland, or that unbuilt Young Indiana Jones stunt show (for Disneyland), or a western-themed ropes course similar to that built in Shanghai, or a western legends ride (Pecos Bill, Paul Bunyan, and John Henry), or a bayous and New Orleans area (with a tunnel or bridge over or under the river), or something exciting that isn't tied to modern IP, like a steampunk balloon ride over the American countryside. People would still like an American west area if Disney were to build something cool there. And talking cars are cool--I love the Cars Land at DCA. But they just don't fit a western, frontier, past thematic area. Destroying the west and the river for cars, that is a huge loss to the thematic logic of the park. And the fact that the space is underutilized doesn't mean that you gut the theme entirely and gut the thematic spatial logic of the park. The Imagineers are creative, plus there are great older Imagineers who could be brought in to come up with a great ride to revitalize the area. Hire Eddie Sotto. He had his start at Knott's, where he designed an expensive flooded town river rapids ride. Heck, hire Eddie, give him a huge budget, and he could revitalize the area, keep a river, and keep the frontier or west in the area. 2. I think that doing a Walt Disney animatronic show is an interesting idea. But given that the theater is usually empty for Lincoln, I fear that having a mostly empty theater for a Walt Disney show, which will quickly happen given the cultural realities, will send a sad message. If Disney were to make the theater much smaller, which they should (perhaps down from 500 to closer to 250), using the extra space for more exhibition space about Disney and Disneyland, then I'd be fine with this idea. 3. There is space behind the Incredicoater for a dark ride. I'm pretty sure that's where Coco is going. I hope they retheme the space between Goofy's Sky School wild mouse rollercoaster and the Paradise Gardens food court area as a Coco Mexico area. California was part of Mexico for a long, long time. Heck, that would even fit the mostly-ignored California theme. 4. I am hoping that Disney will be putting some real animals in the new Indiana Jones/Encanto Latin American area. A trail with llamas and capybara would be cool. Perhaps a South American, Incan-themed area could combine an Emperor's New Groove ride or show with a Peruvian animal trail where the Finding Dory theater is now.
Your RoA ideas are great. That is what I'd expect of the Disney imagineers, but they and corporate lack imagination. So many fantastic ideas can be added to the amazing RoA landscape.
1. Nope, Cars sells merch and attracts park goers, rivers do neither. Cars is now multigenerational and it is set in the western USA. Kids (Disney’s target audience) want more Cars, not more rivers. WDW isn’t Knotts, the type of “river ride” you described makes sense for a company without Disney’s IP to leverage.
LOL! “The best playground in the park” if you want your kid to get tetanus, mosquito bites, and wasp stings! Dumbo playground and big top splash pad are far superior, that’s why they’re always busy (unlike TSI).
1:04:35 the only ride I fear to be dangerous’ Goofy’s Sky School at DCA. I’m afraid of one of the wheels breaking off the track and slamming into one of the support columns at the exit of each turn. They seem to be just a foot or two away when you zoom past them
I think its interesting that in one breath you can talk about just standing on a bridge and enjoy the view of the water and scenery in animal kingdom but you can’t see the same worth in rivers of America.
No, it makes sense to me, the difference is in AK there is something worth seeing on the other side of that water, the attraction isn’t the water itself (unlike RoA).
I would love a *_SpectroMagic 2.0_* as the new MK nighttime parade. Similar to how _Paint the Night_ is updated but still includes the MSEP music. Spectro's music was just so whimsical and grandiose.
Ironic that they build Journey of Water to show the importance of water and teach as they say" how to protect this precious natural resource." But In Magic Kingdom there like , whatever let's just get rid of the water.
I know, right, and Universal is doubling down on water features at Epic. They understand the Florida climate and how bodies of water significantly cool the areas around them.
I agree that there is danger of people not realizing Walt Disney was real. I think a lot of Disney fans buy into the mythology of Walt, (that he was a great dreamer and visionary etc) that they never stop to realize Walts context in the popular culture of the era. For most of America, Walt was a filmmaker with a Sunday night Television show. Not too dissimilar to Alfred Hitchcock. Hitchcock has had the benefit of his TV show being in perpetual reruns for the past half century, keeping his likeness tied to his brand. Where Disney's self imposed prestige of their back catalog of film and TV has backfired is that for almost two generations now, Walt has not been the face of his own products. I think the animatronic show, if done with tact and respect (which I think it will), will help at least introduce Walt as a real person and a Historical figure and not just someone whos name is associated with a brand or company ala Colonel Sanders.
Literally have been wondering why you guys haven’t put out new content and realized this episode isn’t coming up on Apple. Thankfully I’ve got this to hold me over. I’m fiending guys! Give us more!
I've been listening to this in short bursts as I feed my infant son and pick up my 5 year old son from preschool and you all are spot on. When I think about the Magic Kingdom I want to take my 2 boys to in 5 years, would I rather take them to Tom Sawyer Island or a Cars land? The answer is easy. They wouldn't understand Frontierland as it currently exists. It will be MAGIC for them to race offroad on a Cars car. There are some things I think as a community we can fight against. I don't think this is one of them.
Finally getting to watch this…I love these minds, thank you guys. Walt Disney Company has always worked best with Two leaders!! Josh and Dana could very well be that latest dynamic duo.
The Minions ride cloning sucks, but tbf, Disney is doing the same thing with Frozen Ever After; That's a re-skinned old attraction that's being "cloned" too many times, even if it's with light improvements. Disney has become increasingly similar to Universal...
Temple of Doom was DEFINITELY India. Notice how they were chanting to Kali Ma? That’s a Hindu deity but I have to say they TOTALLY mischaracterized how Kali would be praised. She was not for hateful sacrifices. Plus the architecture, decor, and accents? Cmon 🤘
Very good points on the Rivers of America debate. I think the Cars stuff can be really well done and fitting the vibe of the land if done correctly, the only thing I'm worried about at this point is whether or not there will be significant water features and if they'll go through the effort of blocking the living cars from view in Liberty Square/by Haunted Mansion. Also another thing I haven't really seen anyone talk about- where's the Haunted Mansion's queue going? The concept art had a pathway paved over where the queue would be. I know concept art isn't 100% accurate, but if they do decide to put the path over the queue, where would they put the queue now? Behind the mansion?
The Lion King FRANCHISE is Disney's highest grossing property of all time. (Depending on the metrics, its the highest grossing franchise... of any film... ever.) Including the Broadway musical, video games, sequels, albums... it's their workhorse. Its way overdue for a ride. I'm guessing they just didn't know what to do animatronic-wise until now?
Something that few (if any) people are realizing or taking about: it’s also about providing an place for folks that suffer from anxiety and a bit of claustrophobia can go WITHIN the park and still enjoy it - collect themselves- and dive back in. Nobody is going to take an hour bus ride to the resorts when they want to maximize their day. Yes the area around grizzly peak is beautiful but it is definitely not a place to relax. What would be better imo, give us more and better reasons to use the existing space. We have room.
Yeah! Two of my favorite Disney experience commentators! There are so many interesting ideas being passed around. I sure hope Disney listens. Oh, the Mexico City word for a street fair/market is a "tingais". A good tingais is just amazing, and the concept has been around for 400 years. Oh, and I'd like to point out that Tom Sawyer's Island used to be a gigantic playground, especially with all the tunnels from the fort, into the rock and out. My parents used to put us on the raft before dinner and wait on the land side, because they knew there was no other way to get out, and we would definitely come out hungry. Well, then, we'd take the tram back to the car and eat the sandwiches or tacos my Mom had made. No expensive park food for us! No pretzels or churros. But TSI was an amazing place to play. Ah, we led my Spanish-speaking grandmother in to see Abraham Lincoln, and she jumped when he stood up and started talking. Huh, I'll be back to see more.
Westerns definitely were not "dead" when they were building MK. Less popular NOW, sure, but so is Main Street's theme. I could literally list a dozen hugely popular and acclaimed western films that released in the late 60s thru mid 70s. Ultimately Disney just wants to get away from the "controversial" real world theme in exchange for their own more child-friendly cartoon IPs with easy merch sales lol. It makes business sense, sure, but you can get rid of a lot of great lands at DisneySea with that (not in public conscious) justification too!
Alright, i'm gonna keep saying this because I want some people to start getting on board with this idea. If they wanna change grizzly river to something that has an IP Make it wilderness explorer/ UP themed. They could put a bunch of cute little animatronics, or just some none moving statues along the route of all of the crew from UP And other wilderness explorers. They then in the gift shop could sell a bunch of UP themed stuff. They also could probably make a bunch of really cool Wilderness explorer ponchos that people would buy like crazy. They wouldn't have to do much, they literally just have to put stuff along the ride, and it would be great
Love you guys- I follow both channels- BUT... Grizzly River is the literal, water soaked hill I will die on. I spent my 30's in a canoe on some of the actual rivers on the maps in the queue- and I LOVE that ride. To me the beauty of Disney parks is that there are so many ways to enjoy them. I'm in Nor Cal, I go every year; my favorite thing is to just let Disney surprise me and it never fails. ❤
We also forget that the Disney standard is exceptionally high. Looking at the Mario land in Universal Hollywood, there's so many seemingly small lapses that Disney just wouldn't make like no real traffic flow and lack of food/drink except for the one restaurant which is overcrowded. It's an amazing land where you do want to spend a significant amount of time like Galaxies Edge but the first swing at it wasn't as well planned as Disney would have done.
Hi I've missed y'all!! I had to take the past several months to focus on personal issues but I'm so glad to be back in the mix!! Hope everyone is doing well.
For the riverboat, could they not create the Liberty Belle restaurant docked at the dock, like Paddlefish at Disney Springs? The upper deck could be a lookout over the expanded Frontierland and the Haunted Mansion. Just sayin'.
Excellent discussion guys. I am of the same opinion on almost everything ya'll said. So many good points made. I am especially in favor of Tom's Electric Mayhem Rockin' Rollercoaster and move and preservation of Muppet Vision.
Another thought. I love the idea of moving the muppets and changing over rock and roller coaster to electric mayhem. For all that is holy in this universe. Please some Disney person, please please please do this!!!!!!
Regarding the Spaceship Earth lounge: it also wouldn't cost anything to have a few screens with the "choose your own adventure" ending of Horizons playing around the space. I'd they had that, I'd probably just hand them my debit card and tell them to keep it. 🤪
Imagineers are constrained by budget cuts, management's demand that all new attractions be based on IP's, various requests from Park Operations, etc. Imagineering doesn't get to do just whatever they want.
Good stuff guys . I also like that this literally is a round table discussion on a real round table
Thanks Adam!!! ❤
@HeyBrickey glad to see you back on this show. Im with Adam on this one. Great discussion!
The woo is the best!!!!!!!!!!
@@Jarvel5 thanks bud. Always love talking Disney with intelligent fans like Eric & Tom who know their Disney.
@@nca123funny5 he’s a good dude to ride our a WDW hurricane with 😂❤️
Brickey is my absolute favorite Disney TH-camr. We 👏 need 👏 more👏 of 👏 this 👏 pleeaaaseeeee
These podcasts have become the most compelling content produced by WDWNT.
Okay, Tom's Asia parks vlogs are a close second.
@@sjc1204 I'm more excited than I ought to be for when the Hong Kong vlogs start dropping.
Please keep Brickey! Great personality & vibe. He’d be a huge plus for WDWNT to be a regular.
Love seeing you back Brickey.
Eric seems like the most chill guy on earth.
Brickey is a great addition to this discussion!
Brickey needs to be on this every week! The chemistry between the three of them was great!
I started following @HeyBrickey on his own channel a couple of months ago, and he's now one of my favorite TH-camrs.
Agreed!
If he was Florida based he probably would be
Love the banter and chemistry between these 3! ❤ They just never skip a beat with each other (“I’m dying right now.” 😂). What a great trio of knowledgeable perspectives who think critically about the parks!
This was such a great convo! Love that Brickey is a regular now! 🤠
Hey Brickey is a great channel, glad y’all have him on
Tom, in your conclusion, I love your passionate explanation!
Brickey is exactly right in describing the best case scenario of Cars replacing Rivers of America being something like how Grizzly River Run sits in DCA. He is right that when you walk around the perimeter of that 4 acre attraction, it feels like wilderness and intimate in areas. That is possible IF they block the views of the cartoony cars (and frankly blocking the view of various Frontierland attractions and building for the riders on the Cars attraction is equally important).
It's quite possible that the overhead rendering Disney released was a mistake (kind of like their disastrous POV of Tiana's), that it showed a fear-inducing, worst-case-scenario-inspiring view of Cars in Frontierland by showing a drone view no guest will ever actually see. If they release renderings of the "street view" at various places in Frontierland and you see rock work and waterfalls -- and no cars -- that could go a long way in calming this issue down.
Agreed, I think it's important to have Walt have a notable presence in his park before everyone that knew him is gone...
Doing it as part of the 70th Anniversary is a great occasion.
The biggest problem with Cars Land at MK is that it removes the last natural beauty and vibes (rip rose garden), and it makes no sense thematically alongside the strip of Frontierland and Liberty Square.
Your gonna get off an old west mine train at Big Thunder, and 50ft away you will see TVs and living modern cars? It seems impossible to separate the themes well from what will remain of that existing Frontier strip... It's not enough space... hopefully they prove me wrong
The idea of tropical Americas fits perfectly, as long as they add an animal trail! (they won't😪)... I think most fans would prefer they just overhaul Dinosaur instead of Indy though, it could work in any land within that park, but alas, it's not "relevant" IP...
I'm kinda surprised they're going with Indiana Jones too since the recent movie flopped pretty bad.
Over 2 hours of this!? Yes, please. My work day just got better. 😁
I've come to terms with losing the riverboat and island in MK. I'll miss it, but I'm hopeful the Cars area will still feature enough natural beauty in its design to not ruin the vibe around Mansion/Liberty Square/etc. The one "this feels wrong" thing I'm still hung up on is that Frontierland and the surrounding attractions very much evoke the past, and the Cars art they showed feels very modern. That seems a little tonally dissonant for Frontierland. But if they make it work, I'll be fine with it.
The area will look similar to Grizzly Peak at Disney California Adventure -- lots of rocks, pine trees, waterfalls, and streams. The building architecture will be the "parkitecture" style found in US National Parks.
I love Brickey He is gold. 🤩😎🤓🧐🥸
Somebody needs to argue to me "why" we cannot have BOTH, the Rivers...and...Cars, "together" at the same time. "Why" MUST Cars go on top of the Rivers?? "Why" is the River the ONLY place that Cars can go?? (Any other land is impossible) Until then...leave the River alone and build Cars in another place. We CAN have BOTH!
You got it backwards. They're not getting rid of the River because they desperately wanted the River. They put in Cars to fill up the space when the River was taken out. Park operations has wanted to get rid of the River for a long time. It hurts guest flow because of the dead ends at Haunted Mansion and Big Thunder Mountain. It is also a headache and expensive to maintain, especially after a storm. The river bed is in especially bad shape, and it's not worth fixing it for two attractions that few guests actually use. So... Villains land is going in the northern 2/3 of the river area, and Disney picked Cars for the lower-third -- mainly because they sell so much Cars merchandise in Cars Land in California.
@@Primogen16 By that same logic, Disney demolished Horizons. They could have fixed the foundation but they took the easy route. The entire park is a headache to maintain so every high maintenance item should be removed?
The reason why you can’t have both basically comes down to one word - “MONEY”. Disney is a business and they need to make all areas of their existing parks profitable first (unlike RoA). The “land for expansion” is worth millions sitting vacant, and who says it will be used for park attractions and not just more hotels, businesses, and DVC?
@@WrongsGoneRon Maybe they need to focus on their crappy movies first before wringing every penny out of their amusement park square footage.
@@WrongsGoneRon - Rivers of America has been therr FOREVER. It has never "stopped" them from makes zillions. Have plants and grass and flowers that need plenty of budget to maintain does NOT generate profit? Does that mean Disney should scrap every park feature that does not directly make money? Invest in the island and make it a bigger attraction and mars Cars on an empty part of land that makes ZERO money today.
"I don't enjoy pun humour" says the guy who coined "Matterhorny" 😂
Good point. 😂
@@HeyBrickey YOUR FANS HAVE THE RECEIPTS!
Glad to see Mark on again and with Tom back, to boot. Love the discussion. Props to all three of you. Brickey, we knew you were anti skipper, but telling the world? 😉😂 This is great, guys.
Love the fact that you’re having Brickey on every now and then!
Thanks buddy ❤
Brickey is the best podcast guest of all time!! The only advice I would give to Brickey is to watch Disney movies from the past to better predict Disney's future, and they have many other park-related benefits to them. Tom, you are an all-things Disney person, a true Disney savant. I would love to see a podcast with you and Brayden from Mickey Views although it could be more of a problem than just having 2 greats on the same channel. Eric, I would not even mention Indiana Jones again, that was scary.
16:47 we don’t need to get rid of rides at DCA to bring new rides. We need additional rides in addition to what is already there because we need more people eaters. I don’t understand why they want to get rid of rides especially ones that aren’t part of the cheap pier rides. I like to do grizzly river run and then do Incredicoaster which dries me off very fast.
Love the brickey mash up. He knows his stuff. And I loved harmonious. It wasn’t the show they hated it was those ugly barges
The show ended due to poor nightly attendance, so I don’t think it was loved.
@@WDWNT so then that probably means the show was not giving epcot vibes, I loved it as temporary.
Loved harmonious as well
First off the bone yard is so cute and second as a mom of 4…. ANY play areas that are inside AC and themed cute are HIGHLY appreciated!!!! we have never rode mission space but that playground at the exit is a must everytime lol especially when you have some that want to ride guardians but not all can… yeah it’s great!
Yes, the Boneyard is a huge favorite with our kids! I hope that they can figure out a way to keep it or re-theme it because that place is always packed with families, esp. when the animals are hiding out for the day. They need to add some misting fans and more shade over the seating areas, though. WDW parks have so much wasted space, they could easily wedge a few more playgrounds like the Boneyard or the Dumbo playground or Big Top splash pad in every park. That would be a big help for families and give people something to do that doesn’t require a line, which is especially important for little kids!
Alright bussing out to Dixie Landings as a replacement for Tom Sawyer Island is genuinely hilarious🤣😆
Tom I love your idea on moving Muppets to where Lightning McQeen is and retheme Rock n roller-coaster to Electric Meyham and then we can have the merch back. And even rethem the kiosk to some fun muppet themed food. That would be amazing
Dino-Rama is the past, Pangaea from Jim Henson's Dinosaurs is the future, Dinosaur is the past, The Excavator is the future, in the name of SpongeBob's Last Stand and Gloveworld R.I.P. And don't get me started on Disney pressing Encanto, we got a live show over at EPCOT, so why not make that attraction over there with something that would fit the bill when it comes to winning over Epic Universe.
I personally would love it if, in the new tropical Americas area of Animal Kingdom, we got more actual animal exhibits. I know they’re expensive, but south and Central America have so many amazing and cool animals and would help tie the theming together. That I think it would be a great addition.
Absolutely! AK is unique because of animals
There has to be snakes and people have suggested relo the bird adventure over there.
That’s a great idea, I hope they do as well! It’s always felt like only a portion of AK has actual animals in it, they should spread them out throughout the park. Dinoland USA always felt like a temporary carnival in a parking lot, I hope they can make it more immersive - animals would help with that!
At the very least a “snake pit” exhibit in front of the Indiana Jones ride
I’d love if they’d do like a dark ride inspired by snow white’s scary adventure in villains land, just more dark rides at wdw would be great.
Talking about the horseman, right before Covid they had an event for a couple years at Fort Wilderness called the return to sleepy hollow. They screened the old cartoon in the barn among the horses and you would get an exclusive pin and snacks and such. A dessert party was added the final year in the blacksmith’s shop before the movie, and it was so much fun! After the movie there was always a photo op with the actual headless horseman on his horse. We have been dying for them to bring that back.
Agree Tom! I'm very sad about It's Tough to be a Bug leaving... Disney needs to update opening day attractions instead of replacing them entirely.
There's too much lazy IP replacement in general for Imagineering to be in a true "golden age", and even worse, these IP reliant replacements are being built with zero regard for thematic integrity! Zootopia makes no sense in the Tree of Life, and the proposed Cars Land is another perfect example...
Eric touched on the laziness perfectly! Runaway Railway and Guardians make no sense in their location either. Cars doesn't belong in Frontierland nor MK at that scale...If anything it's fantasyland material.
Awesome podcast and much needed after all of the WDW drama over the past few weeks!
Thank you for a great discussion about all of the D23 news! I'm looking forward to most of what is on the horizon, but not hearing the Liberty Belle steam whistle echo throughout the park will be dearly missed. Could Walt Disney World please save the steam whistle and place it just off stage and regularly let it blast. There would be a lot of Disney adults that would absolutely love that!!!
Two best Disney TH-camrs out there!
Wave goodbye to Nana ❤
SpectroMagic is my favorite parade they've ever done... I wish they'd bring that waltz back for the new parade, but regardless, that announcement was one of the most exciting for me
I hope the non-roller coaster attraction in Villains Land is the Shanghai Pirates ride system. Floating over dark, treacherous water will capture the forbidding mood more than a dry ride system. And things can rise out of the water around our vehicle, like crocodiles, sharp shards of rock, Ursula...or we can float into things like the whale's mouth on Disneyland's Storybook Canal Boats but more animated and ominous. They could have a thunder storm with pouring rain in which the rain magically falls all around us as we move through the room but not directly on top of us. The potential for a "greatest dark ride" ever exists here.
Thanks for an interesting discussion. A few thoughts:
1. Just because the Rivers of America and Tom Sawyer's Island at the Magic Kingdom don't work right now, and need renovation, doesn't mean you plop a sentient car area in Frontierland. First, don't get rid of a huge water feature. Second, don't ruin the thematic logic of the park by putting cartoon cars in the land that is designed to be the western historical frontier. If this space is too valuable to leave as is, then rethink Tom Sawyer's Island, and rethink the river. First, bring back the canoes. Second, put themed things to see from the Riverboat: animals, or cowboys, or western legends. Add a second sort of boat on the river. Keep the river but put a ride where Tom Sawyer's Island is, like that geyser mountain ride planned but never built for Disneyland, or that unbuilt Young Indiana Jones stunt show (for Disneyland), or a western-themed ropes course similar to that built in Shanghai, or a western legends ride (Pecos Bill, Paul Bunyan, and John Henry), or a bayous and New Orleans area (with a tunnel or bridge over or under the river), or something exciting that isn't tied to modern IP, like a steampunk balloon ride over the American countryside. People would still like an American west area if Disney were to build something cool there. And talking cars are cool--I love the Cars Land at DCA. But they just don't fit a western, frontier, past thematic area. Destroying the west and the river for cars, that is a huge loss to the thematic logic of the park. And the fact that the space is underutilized doesn't mean that you gut the theme entirely and gut the thematic spatial logic of the park. The Imagineers are creative, plus there are great older Imagineers who could be brought in to come up with a great ride to revitalize the area. Hire Eddie Sotto. He had his start at Knott's, where he designed an expensive flooded town river rapids ride. Heck, hire Eddie, give him a huge budget, and he could revitalize the area, keep a river, and keep the frontier or west in the area.
2. I think that doing a Walt Disney animatronic show is an interesting idea. But given that the theater is usually empty for Lincoln, I fear that having a mostly empty theater for a Walt Disney show, which will quickly happen given the cultural realities, will send a sad message. If Disney were to make the theater much smaller, which they should (perhaps down from 500 to closer to 250), using the extra space for more exhibition space about Disney and Disneyland, then I'd be fine with this idea.
3. There is space behind the Incredicoater for a dark ride. I'm pretty sure that's where Coco is going. I hope they retheme the space between Goofy's Sky School wild mouse rollercoaster and the Paradise Gardens food court area as a Coco Mexico area. California was part of Mexico for a long, long time. Heck, that would even fit the mostly-ignored California theme.
4. I am hoping that Disney will be putting some real animals in the new Indiana Jones/Encanto Latin American area. A trail with llamas and capybara would be cool. Perhaps a South American, Incan-themed area could combine an Emperor's New Groove ride or show with a Peruvian animal trail where the Finding Dory theater is now.
Your RoA ideas are great. That is what I'd expect of the Disney imagineers, but they and corporate lack imagination. So many fantastic ideas can be added to the amazing RoA landscape.
1. Nope, Cars sells merch and attracts park goers, rivers do neither. Cars is now multigenerational and it is set in the western USA. Kids (Disney’s target audience) want more Cars, not more rivers. WDW isn’t Knotts, the type of “river ride” you described makes sense for a company without Disney’s IP to leverage.
1:50:00 I just wish they had found a property that would have better to match with Frontierland.
Talks about the benefits of playgrounds in the parks, but okay for them to remove TSI. The best playground in the park.
LOL! “The best playground in the park” if you want your kid to get tetanus, mosquito bites, and wasp stings! Dumbo playground and big top splash pad are far superior, that’s why they’re always busy (unlike TSI).
Great content! Really appreciate the deep dive with the panel. Well done.
1:04:35 the only ride I fear to be dangerous’ Goofy’s Sky School at DCA. I’m afraid of one of the wheels breaking off the track and slamming into one of the support columns at the exit of each turn. They seem to be just a foot or two away when you zoom past them
The Philharmagic is great. Kids (and adults) love it and it’s an oasis in the summer. Hope it’s never removed and only continuously updated.
SAME! it’s a nice entertaining “rest stop” and we always leave with a smile
I think its interesting that in one breath you can talk about just standing on a bridge and enjoy the view of the water and scenery in animal kingdom but you can’t see the same worth in rivers of America.
No, it makes sense to me, the difference is in AK there is something worth seeing on the other side of that water, the attraction isn’t the water itself (unlike RoA).
I thoroughly enjoyed this! I could listen to your opinions on anything Disney every day. You all made my long drive bearable, THANKS!
I would love a *_SpectroMagic 2.0_* as the new MK nighttime parade. Similar to how _Paint the Night_ is updated but still includes the MSEP music. Spectro's music was just so whimsical and grandiose.
Dang imagine a Jim henson studios section of sunset... just like real life!
Ironic that they build Journey of Water to show the importance of water and teach as they say" how to protect this precious natural resource." But In Magic Kingdom there like , whatever let's just get rid of the water.
I know, right, and Universal is doubling down on water features at Epic. They understand the Florida climate and how bodies of water significantly cool the areas around them.
I agree that there is danger of people not realizing Walt Disney was real. I think a lot of Disney fans buy into the mythology of Walt, (that he was a great dreamer and visionary etc) that they never stop to realize Walts context in the popular culture of the era. For most of America, Walt was a filmmaker with a Sunday night Television show. Not too dissimilar to Alfred Hitchcock. Hitchcock has had the benefit of his TV show being in perpetual reruns for the past half century, keeping his likeness tied to his brand. Where Disney's self imposed prestige of their back catalog of film and TV has backfired is that for almost two generations now, Walt has not been the face of his own products. I think the animatronic show, if done with tact and respect (which I think it will), will help at least introduce Walt as a real person and a Historical figure and not just someone whos name is associated with a brand or company ala Colonel Sanders.
Loved this show! I was excited to see Brickey on the show! Great to hear some educated responses to what was announced! ❤
Literally have been wondering why you guys haven’t put out new content and realized this episode isn’t coming up on Apple. Thankfully I’ve got this to hold me over. I’m fiending guys! Give us more!
Tom's BACK! YAY!
LOVED this podcast !!!!
Well this just got bumped up to the top of the Podcast queue!
favorite podcast so far
I've been listening to this in short bursts as I feed my infant son and pick up my 5 year old son from preschool and you all are spot on. When I think about the Magic Kingdom I want to take my 2 boys to in 5 years, would I rather take them to Tom Sawyer Island or a Cars land? The answer is easy. They wouldn't understand Frontierland as it currently exists. It will be MAGIC for them to race offroad on a Cars car.
There are some things I think as a community we can fight against. I don't think this is one of them.
One of the best discussions and episodes!
Finally getting to watch this…I love these minds, thank you guys.
Walt Disney Company has always worked best with Two leaders!! Josh and Dana could very well be that latest dynamic duo.
The Minions ride cloning sucks, but tbf, Disney is doing the same thing with Frozen Ever After; That's a re-skinned old attraction that's being "cloned" too many times, even if it's with light improvements. Disney has become increasingly similar to Universal...
Temple of Doom was DEFINITELY India. Notice how they were chanting to Kali Ma? That’s a Hindu deity but I have to say they TOTALLY mischaracterized how Kali would be praised. She was not for hateful sacrifices.
Plus the architecture, decor, and accents? Cmon 🤘
My kids like the Dumbo playground more than the Dumbo ride
Very good points on the Rivers of America debate. I think the Cars stuff can be really well done and fitting the vibe of the land if done correctly, the only thing I'm worried about at this point is whether or not there will be significant water features and if they'll go through the effort of blocking the living cars from view in Liberty Square/by Haunted Mansion.
Also another thing I haven't really seen anyone talk about- where's the Haunted Mansion's queue going? The concept art had a pathway paved over where the queue would be. I know concept art isn't 100% accurate, but if they do decide to put the path over the queue, where would they put the queue now? Behind the mansion?
The Lion King FRANCHISE is Disney's highest grossing property of all time. (Depending on the metrics, its the highest grossing franchise... of any film... ever.) Including the Broadway musical, video games, sequels, albums... it's their workhorse. Its way overdue for a ride.
I'm guessing they just didn't know what to do animatronic-wise until now?
Does anyone have the time stamp for the Holiday World mention 😂 Great podcast!
This is great, perfect layout and crew
Something that few (if any) people are realizing or taking about: it’s also about providing an place for folks that suffer from anxiety and a bit of claustrophobia can go WITHIN the park and still enjoy it - collect themselves- and dive back in. Nobody is going to take an hour bus ride to the resorts when they want to maximize their day. Yes the area around grizzly peak is beautiful but it is definitely not a place to relax. What would be better imo, give us more and better reasons to use the existing space. We have room.
I really enjoyed this discussion regarding D23 park’s announcements.
Great conversation and chemistry guys!
Magic happens at night is awesome. I will so miss that parade. It made me buy magic keys and I’m an east coaster
“So I think we will have Nick back on here soon” *end of video*
Yeah! Two of my favorite Disney experience commentators! There are so many interesting ideas being passed around. I sure hope Disney listens.
Oh, the Mexico City word for a street fair/market is a "tingais". A good tingais is just amazing, and the concept has been around for 400 years.
Oh, and I'd like to point out that Tom Sawyer's Island used to be a gigantic playground, especially with all the tunnels from the fort, into the rock and out. My parents used to put us on the raft before dinner and wait on the land side, because they knew there was no other way to get out, and we would definitely come out hungry. Well, then, we'd take the tram back to the car and eat the sandwiches or tacos my Mom had made. No expensive park food for us! No pretzels or churros. But TSI was an amazing place to play.
Ah, we led my Spanish-speaking grandmother in to see Abraham Lincoln, and she jumped when he stood up and started talking.
Huh, I'll be back to see more.
i will say, erric does great i like him on here
Eric is the best!!!
I am here for all the unfiltered opinions 😊
Love to get Brickey content even when he's ripping wdw. Great vid love the content.
"Waving attractions" ahahahahahaha
Westerns definitely were not "dead" when they were building MK. Less popular NOW, sure, but so is Main Street's theme.
I could literally list a dozen hugely popular and acclaimed western films that released in the late 60s thru mid 70s.
Ultimately Disney just wants to get away from the "controversial" real world theme in exchange for their own more child-friendly cartoon IPs with easy merch sales lol. It makes business sense, sure, but you can get rid of a lot of great lands at DisneySea with that (not in public conscious) justification too!
Not seen Brickey before, earned a sub!
Thanks! I appreciate that. ❤
Say it so the people in the back can hear. Great show and the last 30 mins was epic, totally agree! I’ve said the same thing about Hollywood Studios.
Alright, i'm gonna keep saying this because I want some people to start getting on board with this idea. If they wanna change grizzly river to something that has an IP Make it wilderness explorer/ UP themed. They could put a bunch of cute little animatronics, or just some none moving statues along the route of all of the crew from UP And other wilderness explorers. They then in the gift shop could sell a bunch of UP themed stuff. They also could probably make a bunch of really cool Wilderness explorer ponchos that people would buy like crazy. They wouldn't have to do much, they literally just have to put stuff along the ride, and it would be great
Love you guys- I follow both channels- BUT... Grizzly River is the literal, water soaked hill I will die on. I spent my 30's in a canoe on some of the actual rivers on the maps in the queue- and I LOVE that ride. To me the beauty of Disney parks is that there are so many ways to enjoy them. I'm in Nor Cal, I go every year; my favorite thing is to just let Disney surprise me and it never fails. ❤
What an excellent conversation. Thanks, guys!!
We also forget that the Disney standard is exceptionally high. Looking at the Mario land in Universal Hollywood, there's so many seemingly small lapses that Disney just wouldn't make like no real traffic flow and lack of food/drink except for the one restaurant which is overcrowded. It's an amazing land where you do want to spend a significant amount of time like Galaxies Edge but the first swing at it wasn't as well planned as Disney would have done.
Hi I've missed y'all!! I had to take the past several months to focus on personal issues but I'm so glad to be back in the mix!! Hope everyone is doing well.
For the riverboat, could they not create the Liberty Belle restaurant docked at the dock, like Paddlefish at Disney Springs? The upper deck could be a lookout over the expanded Frontierland and the Haunted Mansion. Just sayin'.
Tom’s back! I personally was against the Walt animatronic when I was in the Honda Center, but Tom’s point really spoke to me and changed my mind.
We need more Brickey on WDWNT!
Thanks! It’s been so much fun this has become a regular stop on my East Coast Disney adventures. Such fun dudes to talk Disney with. ❤
Excellent discussion guys. I am of the same opinion on almost everything ya'll said. So many good points made. I am especially in favor of Tom's Electric Mayhem Rockin' Rollercoaster and move and preservation of Muppet Vision.
I’m looking forward to all of the new things coming for Disney
Another thought. I love the idea of moving the muppets and changing over rock and roller coaster to electric mayhem. For all that is holy in this universe. Please some Disney person, please please please do this!!!!!!
5:40 I'm with Brickey, very much a gold star Disney parks guy.
Gotta get Hey Bricky on a WDW News Tonight show now!! Get him in a couple of skits
Great podcast guys, nice to hear Corey Taylor’s view on Disney
So glad to have to this awesome podcast back in my life😊
Regarding the Spaceship Earth lounge: it also wouldn't cost anything to have a few screens with the "choose your own adventure" ending of Horizons playing around the space.
I'd they had that, I'd probably just hand them my debit card and tell them to keep it. 🤪
Eric! I loved that you brought up the World Key Information Kiosks!! They were such a magical part of the park. Back then, that was high tech.
Is it that Imagineering has been lazy or that they’ve been stifled by budget cuts and restrictions on themes, IP, etc?
Imagineers are constrained by budget cuts, management's demand that all new attractions be based on IP's, various requests from Park Operations, etc. Imagineering doesn't get to do just whatever they want.
@@Primogen16 Yah, but is it a case of brain drain? How many of them went to Universal?
I live in Indiana and got to ride good gravy last month. Such a cute little family coaster!!