Hello Dino and hello all. Merry Christmas. Great to see I had something to offer you in return for all the knowledge I get from your videos. I use this screw driver in conjunction with a normal manual impact driver and a similar Milwaukee impact driver to yours. It gets used mostly on older japanese outboards that usually have very corroded fasteners. As you suggest it is is a really good screwdriver even if it didn't have the impact ability. It is my first option for stuck fasteners as it is usually the one thats already in my hand. If it doesn't work I'll go for the manual impact. I find it less likely to sheer the head off a fastener than the high impact and torque Milwaukee. Outboards are big lumps of things that dont have a lot of give. I think maybe the lack of bench mass and movement of the nuts in the vice may have been a factor in your test. It's not a wonder tool but just another option in the toolbox. As I think you suggested if you haven't got a JIS screwdriver then the impacta version would be the one to get. The fact that it has a through shaft with striker plate means that at least you get a chance to shock the fastener into cooperating 😂
Thank you for the feedback 😊. The points you made make total sense. I really can't wait to try the impact feature on a real project, and I do think my vise set up is not allowing the function to work correctly. In the end, the quality of the driver end is worth the price. Thanks for the recommendation. Have a merry Christmas, Dino.
Hey Dino Just wanted to quickly say how much I love your videos. Especially since I bought my first motorcycle this year and yes of course it's a DR 650. Keep up the amazing work Dino! :)
VESSEL do produce their own manual Impact Driver. So for this VESSEL Megadora Impacta, seems the intention is more for stripped screw head ( either JIS head or maybe work for Philps head too ). The "Impacta" is only as marketing name, which means it have steel at its handle, which can be hammered, to making a sharp pattern on the stripped screw head. After the sharp pattern created, then slightly rotate the screwdriver manually. As it does not as heavy as the Impact Driver, and without spring feature, it definitely will not turned by itself. So : Impacta only a marketing / branding name. But the purpose is more to create sharp pattern on the stripped screw, for those who does not have Impact Driver . ( I do own this VESSEL Megadora Impacta, with the VESSEL Impact Driver too, both seems different purpose, Impact Driver is for hard stuck screws, definitely better )
Are you sure the bench didn't move 12 deg ?? LOL. Well done good review. I have had 1 of these for several yrs since I restored a Kawasaki Z900 A4. However I only used it as a screw driver as I have the larger vessel Impact driver also. So good to see you have a go. Like you as Kids in the 1970's no one told us about JIS and we just used normal phillips on our dirt bikes and of coarse stripped out the heads. I did cotton on after a few yrs hence the larger impact came into use. I'm glad there is good content now explaining this for novice users. Great vid as usual. Merry xmas my friend.
Thanks for the comment, ya I learned a lot when I was young through destroying perfectly good fasteners lol. If we can pass on some of that knowledge to others I think we are helping out. Thanks for the comment and merry Christmas Dino
Looks like a reasonable screwdriver. Possibly not this tool but I could use some JIS screwdrivers. Too bad this video didn't come out a couple of weeks ago when my wife was asking what I wanted for Christmas. Thanks and Merry Christmas !
Hey Dino, thanks for the cool video. I have the same Vessel impacta screwdriver and the instructions on mine say to apply downward AND twisting force in the desired direction.
I've also got that Vessel #2 JIS Impacta and it definitely the best regular Philips Pozi-drive type of screwdriver I've used. Seems expensive but, yes i would replace it if lost etc.
I have had good luck with just grinding down the tips of regular phillips screwdrivers slightly for things like carb float bowl screws and other small jis fasteners but working on motorcycle engine cases/covers found on a Honda for example you need a good impact driver with the proper bits and a 3lb+ hammer. I am skeptical that this longer screwdriver would transmit enough power without twisting or camming out on a larger stubborn fastener.
Yes, I like the idea of the tool but think it may be intended for smaller fasteners. For case covers like you mentioned I think the tried and true impact driver may be the way to go. Thanks again Dino
I used the same screwdriver to get screws out of my cb750 where my craftsman impact driver was not able to…. I’d buy it again and again as a JIS driverZ
I have always been under the belief that the Japanese used these fasteners in locations that didn't require a specified torque... And to prevent ham-fisted backyard mechanics from over tightening them 😂 The Philips standard is, as you know, popular in the automotive industry but I think Torx is slowly replacing a lot of them. Also an industry standard in AN manufacturing.
I bought one of these impactas too and tried it on a JIS screw on my CR250 kick starter. It didn’t work for me either, and I held it, slight turning pressure, and hit it good multiple times. It just didn’t work for me. The screw didn’t turn at all. I ended up using the older style impact driver like you had.
Thank you for the feedback, I have still had no luck using mine as an impact tool, the driver itself is nice but really it's just a screwdriver at this point.
@@DinosTinkerShed it came in the same card packaging but I even wonder now if it is counterfeit. There’s a lot of that on Amazon and eBay. NGK spark plugs and Shimano 11s chains are big ones.
Hello Dino. That does look like a good screw driver. I also have the impact drivers that work great! I wonder with the two nuts locked together a single impact may not have a good result. A side case cover once the screw breaks loose it is no longer bound up as it will be with two nuts. I will continue to use my impact driver but i definitely would like to see the results of that screw driver on projects you are working on. Have a Merry Christmas Dino!
Thanks for the feedback, yes I am not sure my test rig was the best set up and plan to use it for real work and get back to everyone. Thank you for taking the time to comment Dino
I did away with those 5 large JIS screws (side panels, headlight fairing) and replaced them with stainless steel allen button head screws from the hardware store. No more JIS screw driver. I'll send them back to Japan.
What kind of drill/driver bits are you using? Does Milwaukee make those? Or do you have to order those from Japan? As far as the screw driver the only problem is it's not as heavy, so making the bit turn while striking I'm afraid that your grip on the handle will determine how much it turns, but shock alone works at times. So can't wait to see what you figure out about it.
I like tools and your channel. I'm curious about jis, but I don't have jis screws, I think the English information about jis may be wrong and outdated. I google Japanese,旧JISネジ vs iso ，ねじにある丸い刻印「ISOマーク」 "dot"means new jis/ISO(only M3/4/5) ， The difference is the "screw pitch". I'm guessing there is no difference in wiha(ISO 8764-2004)/wera/pb/vessel(JIS B 4633-1998).Also consider screwdriver diameter.thx.
Hello Dino. That does look like a good screw driver. I also have the impact drivers that work great! I wonder with the two nuts locked together a single impact may not have a good result. A side case cover once the screw breaks loose it is no longer bound up as it will be with two nuts. I will continue to use my impact driver but i definitely would like to see the results of that screw driver on projects you are working on. Have a Merry Christmas Dino!
Thank you for the feedback. Yes I really need to try the screwdriver on real projects. The more I look at the footage the more I think all the energy was driving the nuts down. Dino
Hello Dino and hello all. Merry Christmas. Great to see I had something to offer you in return for all the knowledge I get from your videos. I use this screw driver in conjunction with a normal manual impact driver and a similar Milwaukee impact driver to yours. It gets used mostly on older japanese outboards that usually have very corroded fasteners. As you suggest it is is a really good screwdriver even if it didn't have the impact ability. It is my first option for stuck fasteners as it is usually the one thats already in my hand. If it doesn't work I'll go for the manual impact. I find it less likely to sheer the head off a fastener than the high impact and torque Milwaukee.
Outboards are big lumps of things that dont have a lot of give. I think maybe the lack of bench mass and movement of the nuts in the vice may have been a factor in your test.
It's not a wonder tool but just another option in the toolbox. As I think you suggested if you haven't got a JIS screwdriver then the impacta version would be the one to get. The fact that it has a through shaft with striker plate means that at least you get a chance to shock the fastener into cooperating 😂
Thank you for the feedback 😊. The points you made make total sense. I really can't wait to try the impact feature on a real project, and I do think my vise set up is not allowing the function to work correctly. In the end, the quality of the driver end is worth the price. Thanks for the recommendation. Have a merry Christmas, Dino.
Hey Dino
Just wanted to quickly say how much I love your videos. Especially since I bought my first motorcycle this year and yes of course it's a DR 650.
Keep up the amazing work Dino! :)
Thank you for the comment and congratulations on the new DR
Dino
Good comments Dino. I am an old style of impact driver user. Works for me but I like to see new tools. All the best for Christmas and the New Year.
Thanks for the comment Mal.
Dino
I've got the handheld impact driver with a 3/8 square to 1/4 hex adapter on the end. Motion Pro JIS bits fit in the adapter.
Which one?
VESSEL do produce their own manual Impact Driver. So for this VESSEL Megadora Impacta, seems the intention is more for stripped screw head ( either JIS head or maybe work for Philps head too ). The "Impacta" is only as marketing name, which means it have steel at its handle, which can be hammered, to making a sharp pattern on the stripped screw head. After the sharp pattern created, then slightly rotate the screwdriver manually. As it does not as heavy as the Impact Driver, and without spring feature, it definitely will not turned by itself. So : Impacta only a marketing / branding name. But the purpose is more to create sharp pattern on the stripped screw, for those who does not have Impact Driver . ( I do own this VESSEL Megadora Impacta, with the VESSEL Impact Driver too, both seems different purpose, Impact Driver is for hard stuck screws, definitely better )
Are you sure the bench didn't move 12 deg ?? LOL. Well done good review. I have had 1 of these for several yrs since I restored a Kawasaki Z900 A4. However I only used it as a screw driver as I have the larger vessel Impact driver also. So good to see you have a go. Like you as Kids in the 1970's no one told us about JIS and we just used normal phillips on our dirt bikes and of coarse stripped out the heads. I did cotton on after a few yrs hence the larger impact came into use. I'm glad there is good content now explaining this for novice users. Great vid as usual. Merry xmas my friend.
Thanks for the comment, ya I learned a lot when I was young through destroying perfectly good fasteners lol. If we can pass on some of that knowledge to others I think we are helping out.
Thanks for the comment and merry Christmas
Dino
Looks like a reasonable screwdriver. Possibly not this tool but I could use some JIS screwdrivers. Too bad this video didn't come out a couple of weeks ago when my wife was asking what I wanted for Christmas. Thanks and Merry Christmas !
Lol, next year maybe I'll do a pre Christmas episode for gift ideas. Thanks again for all the support
Dino
Hey Dino, thanks for the cool video. I have the same Vessel impacta screwdriver and the instructions on mine say to apply downward AND twisting force in the desired direction.
Exactly same with the GoFast
I've also got that Vessel #2 JIS Impacta and it definitely the best regular Philips Pozi-drive type of screwdriver I've used.
Seems expensive but, yes i would replace it if lost etc.
One can also get Vessel JIS screwdriver bits that one could fit in an impact driver.
I have had good luck with just grinding down the tips of regular phillips screwdrivers slightly for things like carb float bowl screws and other small jis fasteners but working on motorcycle engine cases/covers found on a Honda for example you need a good impact driver with the proper bits and a 3lb+ hammer. I am skeptical that this longer screwdriver would transmit enough power without twisting or camming out on a larger stubborn fastener.
Yes, I like the idea of the tool but think it may be intended for smaller fasteners. For case covers like you mentioned I think the tried and true impact driver may be the way to go.
Thanks again Dino
sometimes you need the right tool and sometimes you have to improvise. The seal team said it best, improvise adapt overcome..
Exact screwdriver I own; works great at a great price.
I used the same screwdriver to get screws out of my cb750 where my craftsman impact driver was not able to…. I’d buy it again and again as a JIS driverZ
I have always been under the belief that the Japanese used these fasteners in locations that didn't require a specified torque... And to prevent ham-fisted backyard mechanics from over tightening them 😂
The Philips standard is, as you know, popular in the automotive industry but I think Torx is slowly replacing a lot of them.
Also an industry standard in AN manufacturing.
Great feedback Eric, I think you are right about limiting torque.
Dino
I see you got the heater going. 😉🇨🇱
Oh ya, chilly in the shed, lately.
Dino
I bought one of these impactas too and tried it on a JIS screw on my CR250 kick starter. It didn’t work for me either, and I held it, slight turning pressure, and hit it good multiple times. It just didn’t work for me. The screw didn’t turn at all. I ended up using the older style impact driver like you had.
Thank you for the feedback, I have still had no luck using mine as an impact tool, the driver itself is nice but really it's just a screwdriver at this point.
@@DinosTinkerShed it came in the same card packaging but I even wonder now if it is counterfeit. There’s a lot of that on Amazon and eBay. NGK spark plugs and Shimano 11s chains are big ones.
Hello Dino. That does look like a good screw driver. I also have the impact drivers that work great! I wonder with the two nuts locked together a single impact may not have a good result. A side case cover once the screw breaks loose it is no longer bound up as it will be with two nuts. I will continue to use my impact driver but i definitely would like to see the results of that screw driver on projects you are working on. Have a Merry Christmas Dino!
Thanks for the feedback, yes I am not sure my test rig was the best set up and plan to use it for real work and get back to everyone. Thank you for taking the time to comment
Dino
awesome review
I did away with those 5 large JIS screws (side panels, headlight fairing) and replaced them with stainless steel allen button head screws from the hardware store. No more JIS screw driver. I'll send them back to Japan.
I bought the normal version from them. It works great. What brand JIS bits do you use on your impact driver?
Thanks for the comment. I use Milwaukee drivers, I do not think they are JIS but work very well.
Dino
Here in Venezuela a set of 3 jis screwdrivers cost around 190$ 😢
Wow, that's way more than here. That's unreal.
Dino
You have my sympathy.. That is what happens under socialism, communism.
What kind of drill/driver bits are you using? Does Milwaukee make those? Or do you have to order those from Japan? As far as the screw driver the only problem is it's not as heavy, so making the bit turn while striking I'm afraid that your grip on the handle will determine how much it turns, but shock alone works at times. So can't wait to see what you figure out about it.
I just get the drivers at home depot, they are Philips not jis but seem to fit well.
Dino
I like tools and your channel.
I'm curious about jis, but I don't have jis screws,
I think the English information about jis may be wrong and outdated.
I google Japanese,旧JISネジ vs iso ，ねじにある丸い刻印「ISOマーク」
"dot"means new jis/ISO(only M3/4/5) ，
The difference is the "screw pitch".
I'm guessing there is no difference in wiha(ISO 8764-2004)/wera/pb/vessel(JIS B 4633-1998).Also consider screwdriver diameter.thx.
Thank you for the information, I'll check it out.
Dino
I have a 2016 Mazda. What size tip do I need for rotor screws? Would you recommend the impacta or get the JIS bits for my manual impact?
I would get the bits for the impact. The impact is a nice screwdriver but I feel falls short on the impact function.
Dino
What does JIS stand for?
Thanks for the question, JIS is Japanese Industrial Standard
@@DinosTinkerShed Thanks!
Hello Dino. That does look like a good screw driver. I also have the impact drivers that work great! I wonder with the two nuts locked together a single impact may not have a good result. A side case cover once the screw breaks loose it is no longer bound up as it will be with two nuts. I will continue to use my impact driver but i definitely would like to see the results of that screw driver on projects you are working on. Have a Merry Christmas Dino!
Thank you for the feedback. Yes I really need to try the screwdriver on real projects. The more I look at the footage the more I think all the energy was driving the nuts down.
Dino