i spent 5 years running one of those Mancha "Little Trammer" Type B mining locomotives. i was working a underground mine out side alleghany calif. i had to rewire the Mancha as water had turned the cloth wrapped copper wire into green powder. replaced the wire with welding cable and i had already charged the old 1973 40 volt battery and found it took a charge even in 1998. the original batteries for the Mancha little trammer were edison Nickel-iron batteries so you are running the little trammer off the third type battery its been run on. The Mancha little trammer i had was charged with a rewound truck alternator that was wound to put out 43 volts and powered with a small Pelton wheel with water from 200 feet higher in the mine. this allowed me to plug in the charger just after blasting at the end of the day and not having to run a generator at night to charge the battery
I drove the early 70s version of the trams and much the same 3 speed forward and reverse with handbrake running on a 24 inch gauge rail system of which I laid 100s of metres over a 5 year period . They were capable of pulling or pushing 8 to 10 tons at a time depending on gradient. The mine is typical late 60s 70s 8ft x 8ft drives and cross cuts. In my last two years we upgraded to a larger still battery driven Eimco that could pull up to 12 tons and 2 ton wagons instead of 1. Most things were air driven, drills ,air legs , muckers and the fans, these produced around 116 decibels when running at full speed and deafening at a time when ear protection was non existent. Left me with 60% hearing loss in one ear and 40% the other and constant tinnitus. The drills faired little better at around 85 decibels. For me a fantastic job in my late teens, very tough conditions, excellant pay and essentially set me up for life. In cornwall we measured our levels in fathoms not feet and directly vertical below the surface and i worked at 340 fathom level or 2040 ft straight down. The sump eventually ended up 2600ft. Shaft riding would take around 3 minutes to go from the surface to my level .
I'm not exactly sure, they weighed around the 1 ton mark with large 24v lead acid batteries inside the box, and most times were connected to about 8 wagons which weighed around another 3 tons empty. Most levels had a gradient so when pushing empty wagons would run at about 10 mph. Most levels followed the lode so they were quite windy and relatively narrow with often roof supports so speed was not a necessity but pulling power was. Possibly The loco on its own may have managed about 15 mph ish.
Atleast a small section of the mine is open as a museum, whole town of Ajka was a mining town. Sadly since the mines died out, the city itself is starting to die out too...
your found matchbooks were pre-1973 because, In 1973, federal safety laws required that strikers be placed on the backside of matchbooks instead of the front. I remember this change,
Wow! This is amazing, a mine with still operable equipment. It looks like it could be placed back in service with not too much effort, possible as a tourist attraction. Thanks for sharing an amazing find, stay safe.
wow ....a working loc-e ( tram ) now thats great .... I am impressed ....and that is hard to do ...... can't believe you lugged that all the way down there ....that mine is in fantastic shape..... don't let anyone know where it is at
What a great demonstration of a working piece of equipment left behind. Gravity helped him get that battery pack down there but it's gonna take some sweat to get it back out again, I'm sure he will revisit this mine again ... that looks like too much fun.
It reminds me of the Dome Gold Mine that I worked at for my first 29 years in mining, though our Mancha battery locos were 3x the size of the Lil Trammers, as our ore cars were what was termed a 5 ton ore car that wasn't coupled together by a chain, but a solid thick steel draw bar with holes on each end for a steel pin, btw the Dome Mine closed about 3 years ago after 117 years of operation, with plans to 'super pit' it.
@@stevengill1736 They are in the planning phase to expand it to move a highway, the mill, and all other surface infrastructure including, the conctrete #8 Shaft to make The Century Pit, Goldcorp/Newmont own this mine now.
I live ten miles from Flint you think the drinking water is bad you should see the Flint river, looks like a holding tank! Thanks for sharing great video!
What a great resurrection video! I've always waited for something like this to happen! Just like those ukrainian guys on TH-cam (Kreosan) who went to live in Pripyat (Chernobyl) for a while and powered up lights in abandoned buildings using battery packs and inverters to see if something still works after all those years.
You guys actually got that thing working... that's really impressive. Now, if you could get permission from the land owners to take it out of the mines, I'd love to see the whole ore cart train donated to a railroad museum or something.
Changing polarity doesn't change direction of series wound or shunt wound DC motors. Changing polarity only reverses DC motors that use a permanent magnet field.
Gosh boxy what happened to the guys you always explore with? Miss the disco and bible study mine explores. Oh and the sparkle pony master charge. Great explore and the tram and ore car ride was great.
That was cool starting up the Trammer ,where can i get my tickets for a ride ,great to see , And those lovely beams of unused wood.gee wouln't the wood worker buffs love them.Great video ,Thanks.
Remember they only built fans too ventilation the dust because they were using dynamite. The fans were getting rid of the dust so much faster. The built ventilation shafts for oxygen the fans was too help keep the dust down. No fans are running and your not dead. Because of the ventilation built into the tunnels.
you should've brought a multimeter to see how many [micro]volts were left in that poor battery pack!! i've seen batteries much older that retain a surprising amount of energy.
New to this channel and I know this an older video but I appreciate the effort you guys put in to resurrecting that old tram. How long had it been sitting? Since the 60's?
The current that thing pulls should have smoked the smaller battery cables. But totally sparklepony framistan, dude! Next week, running the vertical hoist on a couple smartphone batteries? I hear it works great going down....up, maybe not so much...cheers.
BTW, motor-generator sets are what they used for radio gear too before they had solid state rectifiers and inverters. They called them dynamotors, and they worked really well for D.C. to D.C. applications, just like transformers for A.C., only not as efficient. Pretty cool old tech!
Hi I am a first time seeing your video and I like it ... Its nice you have your wife going on the mine with you... I'm looking forword to more videos, think you for the time to make this video...
Your friend is Awesome, she knows more about the mines and their workings than some others I've watched. I'm sorry I don't know her name or if she is a Fan just exploring with you, But she could have her own show.
He probably said look at that crystal and called her funny..... funny looking not honey sounds very similar...I could see how the 2 could be mixed up 😉🤫
i spent 5 years running one of those Mancha "Little Trammer" Type B mining locomotives. i was working a underground mine out side alleghany calif. i had to rewire the Mancha as water had turned the cloth wrapped copper wire into green powder.
replaced the wire with welding cable and i had already charged the old 1973 40 volt battery and found it took a charge even in 1998.
the original batteries for the Mancha little trammer were edison Nickel-iron batteries so you are running the little trammer off the third type battery its been run on.
The Mancha little trammer i had was charged with a rewound truck alternator that was wound to put out 43 volts and powered with a small Pelton wheel with water from 200 feet higher in the mine. this allowed me to plug in the charger just after blasting at the end of the day and not having to run a generator at night to charge the battery
I drove the early 70s version of the trams and much the same 3 speed forward and reverse with handbrake running on a 24 inch gauge rail system of which I laid 100s of metres over a 5 year period . They were capable of pulling or pushing 8 to 10 tons at a time depending on gradient. The mine is typical late 60s 70s 8ft x 8ft drives and cross cuts. In my last two years we upgraded to a larger still battery driven Eimco that could pull up to 12 tons and 2 ton wagons instead of 1. Most things were air driven, drills ,air legs , muckers and the fans, these produced around 116 decibels when running at full speed and deafening at a time when ear protection was non existent. Left me with 60% hearing loss in one ear and 40% the other and constant tinnitus. The drills faired little better at around 85 decibels. For me a fantastic job in my late teens, very tough conditions, excellant pay and essentially set me up for life.
In cornwall we measured our levels in fathoms not feet and directly vertical below the surface and i worked at 340 fathom level or 2040 ft straight down. The sump eventually ended up 2600ft. Shaft riding would take around 3 minutes to go from the surface to my level .
What was the top speed of theese little workhorses?
I'm not exactly sure, they weighed around the 1 ton mark with large 24v lead acid batteries inside the box, and most times were connected to about 8 wagons which weighed around another 3 tons empty. Most levels had a gradient so when pushing empty wagons would run at about 10 mph. Most levels followed the lode so they were quite windy and relatively narrow with often roof supports so speed was not a necessity but pulling power was. Possibly The loco on its own may have managed about 15 mph ish.
Atleast a small section of the mine is open as a museum, whole town of Ajka was a mining town. Sadly since the mines died out, the city itself is starting to die out too...
Amazing
your found matchbooks were pre-1973 because,
In 1973, federal safety laws required that strikers be placed on the backside of matchbooks instead of the front. I remember this change,
It is informative, thank you. We lose this info as time goes on, I’m happy to read it, thank you for your time down there sir!
Mizpah Hotel is still in business in Tonopah NV. Built in 1907.
I think this may be the best "resurrection" video you have ever done, and that's saying something! Great video Shango!
Even had a roto-tweebulator.
@@chrisingle5839 And sparkleage.
Shango is his electronical handle... His mine handle is I believe Boxxy, Boxy, or Bauxy as in Bauxite.
Very cool explore! I was waiting to see you take off down the mine on the trammer. must have been hard to resist using it to explore.
Now that was one heck of a find! Nice to see a mine that hasn't been relieved of all its operational bits and peices, and still working piece at that.
Really well appointed mine. Love the tramner too. Thanks for showing us.
Awesome find there! Full of artifacts, and being able to fire off the mine loco was even better. Yall stay safe out there
Hi, that was really cool that the trammer just started straight up, awesome. Thanks for sharing. x
THAT WAS EPIC! I cannot believe that worked!!!! Awesome video
Fantastic job bringing life back to the locomotive! Super tour as well!
That’s definitely cool spot. And of coarse your voice is always calming as usual. Keep them coming.👍🏼👍🏼
Wow! This is amazing, a mine with still operable equipment. It looks like it could be placed back in service with not too much effort, possible as a tourist attraction. Thanks for sharing an amazing find, stay safe.
Great explore and very nice too see that train roll again.
Totally the coolest mine I've ever seen.
That was great hooking up the battery to the trammer and getting it operational. Reminded me of my 'Mighty Casey Ride'm railroad' back in 1970.
Big Mine! Looks to be in good shape. Love the train!
You bring to us the forgotten sound of an underground train. Amazing
Fantastic video Shango. Lots of cool stuff in this one!
Powering up that loco was epic stuff, brilliant!
Too freakin cool getting that tram running
Great video! I like the trammer and phone equipment. The phones were likely made in Indianapolis.
wow ....a working loc-e ( tram ) now thats great .... I am impressed ....and that is hard to do ...... can't believe you lugged that all the way down there ....that mine is in fantastic shape..... don't let anyone know where it is at
I am with Jeff, let's keep this location secret. So, come on, let's go!
What a great demonstration of a working piece of equipment left behind. Gravity helped him get that battery pack down there but it's gonna take some sweat to get it back out again, I'm sure he will revisit this mine again ... that looks like too much fun.
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Hey jeff anytime come on lets go! Your invited
It reminds me of the Dome Gold Mine that I worked at for my first 29 years in mining, though our Mancha battery locos were 3x the size of the Lil Trammers, as our ore cars were what was termed a 5 ton ore car that wasn't coupled together by a chain, but a solid thick steel draw bar with holes on each end for a steel pin, btw the Dome Mine closed about 3 years ago after 117 years of operation, with plans to 'super pit' it.
What does super pit mean?
Means they'll dig it out completely into an open pit operation...
@@stevengill1736 They are in the planning phase to expand it to move a highway, the mill, and all other surface infrastructure including, the conctrete #8 Shaft to make The Century Pit, Goldcorp/Newmont own this mine now.
cool watching the ore cart move down the track made my day.
It's really cool to see the history of mining that you show everyone.
A little bit of cleanup and you've got an underground Disneyland! (:
amazing hello from Australia opal miner here
Amazing to see the tramer.
She cracks me up. Great video
I live ten miles from Flint you think the drinking water is bad you should see the Flint river, looks like a holding tank! Thanks for sharing great video!
Danke für das hochladen und deine Mühe
Thank you for making this video! I love it❤️❤️❤️❤️😎😎
I'd love to have one of those dynamite boxes. Those are in crazy good shape.
Getting the loco to run. Awesome! Craziest moment? You all climbing that old wooden ladder at the end! 😣😜😁
What a great resurrection video! I've always waited for something like this to happen! Just like those ukrainian guys on TH-cam (Kreosan) who went to live in Pripyat (Chernobyl) for a while and powered up lights in abandoned buildings using battery packs and inverters to see if something still works after all those years.
Now you need to fill the cars up and pull some weight. Cool stuff
I kept thinking about Indiana Jones and the temple of doom lol great video u guys
Literal dream of mine to see this stuff run again
This is the best post I have seen from you bud.
Wow, incredible that you made that loco run
That is so cool got that tram working must be a locked up mine no one gotten in there.
Remarkable. I'm speechless.
Merry Christmas and happy New Year to you and your family God bless you
Repowering and riding the cars, Epic!!!
Thanks for making this!!!
Cool video my compliments sir
Old school mechanical controller frickin sweet
Those "steps" on your throttle are known as "notches". That system is used on just about every electric locomotive out there. :)
What kind of dc motor would this have been? Series or shunt? Do the notches cut in additional field windings?
@@gregorymalchuk272 the first one or two notches have resistors to keep it slow, then the last two notches add extra field windings
You guys actually got that thing working... that's really impressive. Now, if you could get permission from the land owners to take it out of the mines, I'd love to see the whole ore cart train donated to a railroad museum or something.
It would take far too long to get it to the surface, and have it transported to the museum.
Very interesting thankyou for the toower of this old mine
Me is like, you can go an continue with the mine exploring, I will play a bit with this train.
Changing polarity doesn't change direction of series wound or shunt wound DC motors. Changing polarity only reverses DC motors that use a permanent magnet field.
You be careful & take good care of yourselves.
That was awesome 😎
Amazing video guys ❤️🇦🇺
Gosh boxy what happened to the guys you always explore with? Miss the disco and bible study mine explores. Oh and the sparkle pony master charge. Great explore and the tram and ore car ride was great.
Great post folks !
Sweet I’ll take them for my mini mine
I wonder how many amps that little tram pulls with a full load on it even at 40vdc I'll bet it's quite a bit.
It's about 600 amps and it's good for these motors and wires used, wires are thick enough and motor coils are made with thick wires too.
Interesting Ore Shout!
Cool vid shango 👍👍
Keeps Going!!
That is Cool
That was impressive! Operable after years of nothing.
What year was the last activity there?
InCreatable Mine!!
👍Very 😎 & entertaining,did any of the carts have consecutive serial#’s ?
I think there is a Toyota Prius owner on top who wants their batteries back😁
Wow! Nice
I know this may be hated upon but it would be awesome to see the trimmer go the full length of the mine
*HS.....major dopamine love*
That was cool starting up the Trammer ,where can i get my tickets for a ride ,great to see , And those lovely beams of unused wood.gee wouln't the wood worker buffs love them.Great video ,Thanks.
Pockett battery powers the train. Eat your heart out, Jetsons!
that so cool
Very Nice Set up
Cool video, thanks.
Do you guys ever carry air bottles? Just in case
Remember they only built fans too ventilation the dust because they were using dynamite. The fans were getting rid of the dust so much faster. The built ventilation shafts for oxygen the fans was too help keep the dust down. No fans are running and your not dead. Because of the ventilation built into the tunnels.
I just came across a related safety film: SAFETY ON THE MOVE 1980s UK NATIONAL COAL BOARD MINE SAFETY TRAINING FILM
you should've brought a multimeter to see how many [micro]volts were left in that poor battery pack!! i've seen batteries much older that retain a surprising amount of energy.
Wow! This Mine! Is Hudge!
New to this channel and I know this an older video but I appreciate the effort you guys put in to resurrecting that old tram. How long had it been sitting? Since the 60's?
It's not a tram.
cool!
wow MAN ! ! No one Else has made mine videos of this quality !
I believe Brill Electric Tram cars utilised the same "stepped" variable speed control.
The current that thing pulls should have smoked the smaller battery cables. But totally sparklepony framistan, dude! Next week, running the vertical hoist on a couple smartphone batteries? I hear it works great going down....up, maybe not so much...cheers.
BTW, motor-generator sets are what they used for radio gear too before they had solid state rectifiers and inverters. They called them dynamotors, and they worked really well for D.C. to D.C. applications, just like transformers for A.C., only not as efficient.
Pretty cool old tech!
NICEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!.
Amtrak: Takes years to Power the Acela Express...
Mine Guy: Brings his own batteries and runs it on the Mainline... HIGHBALL.
Hi I am a first time seeing your video and I like it ... Its nice you have your wife going on the mine with you... I'm looking forword to more videos, think you for the time to make this video...
Not his wife
"I'm going off the rails on a ........"!!
boys and their toys :D
edit: and girls
superbe reportage
Different Levels!
Your friend is Awesome, she knows more about the mines and their workings than some others I've watched.
I'm sorry I don't know her name or if she is a Fan just exploring with you, But she could have her own show.
Did he call her Cristal then later say Honey. 🤷♂️ My hearing isn’t the greatest.
He probably said look at that crystal and called her funny..... funny looking not honey sounds very similar...I could see how the 2 could be mixed up 😉🤫
KrYsTLe StOnE 😀 your probably right 👍🏻👍🏻
You need to get a black light you won't believe what you see
This guy sounds like that shango guy on TH-cam that restores old TVs and radios !
That's him! This is his mine exploration channel.
Like the battery pack (Info?) Have a similar (UK) loco in my garage.
wow!
It's a Karlik type battery locomotive?
Hello hi love I'm Pakistan Rehamat Ail
Amazing that electric car still works. How long had it been sitting there?
Shango said since the 1960s.