The “kids are stupid/get bored easily” seems to be a common opinion for creatives behind the current iterations of long running franchises despite those franchises showing growth, maturity and complex storytelling in the past.
This just reminds me of the reason why the battle frontier from Pokémon Emerald didn't make it to ORAS, because kids are bored and more interested in quick mobile games.
Confirmation bias. I wonder how much is it about the 'kids' vs profitability and cutting costs. Following an episodic formula helps more with the later imo. They are feeding into what they already "believe", not the other way around.
Which I really hate cause sorry for the constant comparison (I hate it too but it always comes up) but whenever compared to Pokemon, that was one of the main draws for Digimon. Darker tones, character growth, overarching plots, though recently it seems the reverse is true now (At least for the anime). I really don't want to see Digimon go down the wrong path again then be forced to claw their way out of the grave once more. I personally still enjoy the anime but the pacing has got to change soon as the anime is the main gateway for other media such as games, card games, etc.
@@andresmarrero8666 ahh, my mistake then. All I heard recently was that they're bringing back old characters and some of them have new motivations and designs. While I agree it still sounds like a mess, at least there was an attempt at some kind of "growth".
As a hobbyist writer, I have the opposite opinion; Readers, even younger ones, are becoming more critical of their media and will consume if it's quality.
the most successful kids shows treat their audience like adults and just focus on good writing. I cant speak for the kids these days but I remember appreciating animated stuff with darker tones. It made me hone in and want more. People say comics are for kids, and kids only too. It is sad.. The reason why people think kids have no attention span is also because that is how they write off the younger generation. Great stories can be told if people are not afraid of selling something to someone with no attention span. Attention will come with good story telling.
This doesn’t treat the audience like adults. It’s showing how Digimon are integrating themselves into society. Focusing solely on GulusGammamon and Hiro would feel childish to me because it gives the impression that that the world revolves around Hiro.
I agree, but Digimon is made for selling toys, games, and accessories. Past 5 series shown you serial story telling can’t beat episodic series like Pokémon which is also created for the same purpose. Popularity of Digimon never surpassed Pokémon in Japan.a Let’s also not forget how production pressure created the Blizwargreymon plot mess, where episodic method can easily slip in such changes. Matter of fact if you look at other on going series selling games/playing cards, majority went episodic instead.
I don't know man. How do we explain the Pokémon anime still running after all these years? It's a kids show that doesn't treat their audience like adults.
For me, Ghost Game had a strong start that honestly hooked me for a long time as there are some great individual episodes but then again, there's isn't a big plot other than Hiro's Dad which is a bit disappointing as the Black Agumon appearing, more character growth, etc could have helped this series more. I still really like Ghost Game for what it offered but it could've been a bit more better. I'm willing to give this series more time up to the final episode when it happens to see how things will change and if it can improve the series more.
The thing about Ghost Game is we don't know how long it will go. All Digimon series usually go for about 50 episodes (I count Xros Wars season 1 and 2 as one season while season 3 as a separate season entirely). The season with large amounts of episodes is the new reboot 2020 Adventure with more than 60 episode surpassing all other season if you count Xros Wars season 3 as separate season.
yup, I m also wondered where is the silhouette of black agumon and some other silhouette digimon in the early ep and middle ep? Also why the ep stop at ep 51(2021) and already have preview ep 52. Until now(2022), no ep 52 yet.
I loved the first 3 seasons of Digimon as well as the reboot and Tri. Ghost Game, i watched the first 10 eps and called it a day. Same reason why i never watched Pokemon. I need to see the story going somewhere. I want to get Invested in it. Not waste 20 mins for nothing xD
@@joaosoares2570 This is what Masatoshi Chiyoka, Director and Storyboard of Digimon Ghost Game said in an interview back in November 2021 issue of V-Jump : "While they were still at the stage of the very first planning stages, the producer, Sakurada-san (Sakurada Hiroyuki, Assistant Producer for Adventure and Adventure 02 and Producer for Adventure reboot), called out to me. It was right around that time when they were roughly thinking of the proposal to have the Digimon series to be “episodic” and “with a horror feel”. From there, we had more and more planning meetings, finalized the ideas that came out, and they had me put together and submit the tentative draft for this project."
Ghost game has a special place in my heart. It's nice to see an original story and i can see it getting a second season or follow up movie. It's my sons first digimon series, he can't even speak yet but his reaction to gammamon being cute literally warms my heart so much and i want to buy him a plushie for it eventually. I really hope this franchise keeps growing and stays strong for years to come.
I understand you like it. But, you got to admit that this show biggest flaws is they barely do anything, even though it's a episodic series there so many thing that's happening in the show, and nothing happening. The current team are lazy and too busy going on with their boing everyday life by doing whatever they want rather than focusing on the important stuff that's happening in their world. Other than the monster of the week, are there any progress for the characters to accomplish their goals if they have one?
I would see a special after the Ghost Game story is over. Hiro and Gammamon would end up in the 2020 dimension, where they'll met Yamato, Koushiro, Sora, Joe, Mimi, Takeru, Kari and their Digimon. They'll eventually come across a boy with his Digimon; Wormmon.
I know it’s a kid show, but I’d be scared letting my kid watch certain episodes from Ghost Game. Then again maybe every generation needs to experience their own D-Reaper moment. I just hope your son hasn’t been scarred by any of the more gruesome episodes yet.
I’ve always had such a complicated relationship with Ghost Game. THRILLED when it pops off and really sad when it drops the momentum it *purposefully* builds. I totally get that people enjoy it how it is right now, it can be enjoyable without a story. However, you’d be hard pressed to convince me - that having even a light story throughout, could ever make it worse. Excellent video DigiKnow, literally couldn’t have put it better ✅
Its mostly because both you and Digiknow have a clear perspective on the franchise as a whole while covering this is whats keeping the Digimon media afloat
I was doing a Ghost Game podcast while it was coming out week to week, and this basically explains my issues exactly. Lots of formulaic plots that felt repetitive, non-existent narrative between episodes, and LOTS of hints throughout. I genuinely liked some of the episodes, but other ones just flopped super hard. And the ENTIRE time we were just slowly giving into nihilism at the realization that none of it would actually matter at all. I've never felt like I've had to struggle more to talk about an episode than I did when we were 50 episodes in and the plot was still just "A bad digimon appears, does a bad thing, we're retroactively told what the deal is without any real hints, and then they beat it." Like it doesn't even really function as a mystery show because you're not given enough info. But it'll absolutely go out of its way to work in all three main characters and what they're doing that day every time whether they're relevant for the episode or not. Just absolutely absurd how poorly thought out this was at points.
It kinda bites that the most common take I've heard from fellow Digimon alumni is that Ghost Game is just "good" hovering above "ok", but could be "amazing" or even "great" if they took advantage of the setup they've done thus far.
Pretty much. They had the building blocks for an amazingly awesome show with fantastic story and character, waved the blocks around for a while, then put them back in the toy chest without actually doing anything with them. So much potential wasted.
You clearly haven’t looked at enough forums. The most common take is that it’s mid lmao. It even has a lukewarm, tepid reception in Japan (similar to over here)
Ghost Game is a mixed bag of quality. When you look at it's parts individually it's all really good. The Digimon being shown, lore stuff, even stuff like ecology for Digimon or the nods to the fandom here and there. Individually it's always fun to look at and talk about, but as you said it's kind of tiring week after week after week for no progress to be made. Take Gulus as the best example, first time he showed up, there was LOTS to talk about, his personality, his bond with Hiro, the fact BLACK AGUMON showed up in the anime. But beyond that, those were just questions left for us to mull over until we were given our next few bread crumbs. But the problem is rather than crumbs from the next slice of the loaf, we got less crumbs from the same slice. Gulus appears, kills Arukenimon, he reverts, BlackGargomon appears. It DID at least give us something, that Black Agumon's not the ONLY Black Variant Digimon to be watching things. Then, once again, same slice of story bread, he appears, he reverts, then Black Growlmon is shown watching. This literally added nothing else beyond another black variant and leaving us wondering what's going on. And you CAN'T have a mystery or story that just wraps up in the last episode. But I guess we'll see.
I remember saying how I got annoyed with some things in the series, such as the inconsistent plot progression and Espimon constantly saying he’s looking for the real Hiro (despite me also listing stuff I like about the episode at the time), but someone replied to me saying, “I don’t see how it’s annoying, it’s just that you don’t like the series. Talking about Espimon is trivial and that you’re treating it like a flaw.” I like GG, especially with the inspiration of ghost stories being implemented in digital life forms, even the individual episodes and the characters, but you can also have things you don’t like about it and want to improve. You did say you’d like it if it was solely episodic or continuing to dive into the mysteries which I also agree and prefer as well. The show doesn’t balance that well and leaves people wondering what to expect, if it’s only episodic, seralized or both.
It sucks that someone got mad at you for having criticisms! I know what that feels like since someone lashed out at me for having criticisms about Hiro's character.
@@ikai21 Yeah after they said I was just trying to hate on the show, I said I mentioned one thing and it’s not wrong to mention flaws. But they said it’s weird to treat the “Espimon looking for Hiro scavenger hunt” as an actual flaw as it’s trivial. And I don’t dislike Hiro, but I don’t mind anyone who has criticisms towards him. Sorry that happened to you too.
@@IgnitedQuils You can have issues with how characters are written whether you like or dislike them. But yeah, it sucks that that person didn't understand that. I just wanted to relate with you since I had a similar experience.
I do like Espimon alot. I dont mind his thing of not beliving Hiro is the real Hiro becuse of the fathers misleading discription. I found that actully rather amusing.
@@sofaris576 Yeah I can see how that can be funny due to Digimon not being able to reproduce, it was just that it was used constantly over and over, and they even tried explaining it to Espimon.
Didn’t they try that with Data squad? Which now that I type that out I make it seem like that was a bad show. It was actually pretty good all things considered Was it the best no but it wasn’t bad.
As said, the problem is not the show and its premise, the problem are the writters. They change from a slew of episodes to the next and that is what skews the flow and makes it swings back and forth from the saturday-morning cartoon to a serial anime, to eventually use the last episode to squeeze everything in the last moment and call it a day for that generation. Too many oddballs in control of the script and outlining everything awkwardly because they are forced to shoehorn the traditional digimon formulae while trying to keep the pace of the rest of the anime, and that takes minutes of precious filming that could be used for something else like bridging scenes or giving some storytelling. etc /
Writers changing is normal, especially in an episodic tv show. And the show has never skewed to being a serial anime. Tossing in some overarching threads suddenly doesn't change the show into a serial show.
Ghost game started strong. Had a good premise, but you are right, same thing every week gets... Boring. Is not worthy to get invested when the story is so messy in my opinion. I stopped watching a few episodes ago. I hope we get a new series, I really do, but sounds to me that toei really does not care that much for Digimon in general, so I'm not holding my breath :(
I think the claim of the target audience not having the attention span to enjoy a continuous plot is just an excuse not to try and make one. It's not easy keeping a plot decent for so many episodes without ending it
I feel like the easiest answer ever to fix so many of these issues is to just make some mysteries two-parters. Because some of these episodes ABSOLUTELY needed way more time to develop the ideas of them. AncientSphinxmon trying to revive Pharohmon is such a great idea! Why not expand on it? Have Part 1 be them setting him up and doing the riddle thing, then Mummymon gets involved, AncientSphinxmon overpowers them, and the pyramid is completed. Then you get an entire second episode all about learning what Pharohmon's deal is, setting up Ruri's arc, paying off her character by... I dunno... having her use her music knowledge to solve a riddle or something......? And then you get her defeating AncientSphinxmon before helping Hiro and Gammamon beat Pharohmon. You could build up these side characters a bit, show some worldbuilding and lore, still have a compelling mystery, and set the stakes so the evolution feels worth it. Maybe explore Mummymon's relationship with these Digimon and his history a bit. And because it's a two-parter it's still pretty quick and self contained within that format. Instead we just get this rushed plot where Sphinxmon wants to revive Pharohmon, then Ruri just gets a Mega out of nowhere, we beat him, and that entire plot just dies with all the potential and intrigue going completely ignored. It's not really the worst, but for all the stuff you could have done with it, it's just such a waste... Alternatively, just have a few recurring antagonists. Hey, remember when Myotismon and his vampire group escaped? Have them come back. Matadormon can do some Matador themed thing and then he reveals himself and goes GranDracmon. That's still a unique setup, and you can have characters be like "Oh crap, it's that guy from that one past episode!" Remember when Datamon was literally experimenting on people? That's such a fun idea, just a mad scientist Digimon that does mad scientist things. Why not use that for more stuff? Datamon could be the one behind multiple mysteries and the gang has to fail a few times before finally catching him. That would give us stuff to speculate about and give Datamon some time to build his motives and character a bit so there's more weight to his character. But nope, just one and done. Just like everyone else.
At 4:19 , I am so glad you mentioned Martin Mystery . I thought I was the only one who had remembered this great show . It was one of my favourite horror shows after Scooby Doo in early 2000s. It makes me feel sad that most 90s and early 2000s kids have forgotten this great show . Btw love from India 🇮🇳
I'm at least hoping for another season that actually explores everything that was laid out like Hiro's dad, Gulus, BlackAgumon, Blacktailmon Uber, Epsimon...it's just so much that can be explored in a new season and doesn't even have to be rushed
People who want more overarching stories in their Digimon shows might want to watch App Monsters (if you haven't already). I always feel that App Monsters is underrated and many Digimon fans simply skipped it. App Monsters had it's flaws but it's still a solid show.
I did try Appli monsters, but it was boring and annoying to say the least so I dropped it. The main characters were annoying (specially that yellow dude) and the story itself didn't hook me in the beginning. I believe I watched around 15 or so episodes before I decided I couldn't take it anymore. Comparatively, I was following ghost game till 40 or so episode simply because even though there was very little plot, the character strength and character interactions combined with well executed episodes kept be hooked enough to follow it. All in all, what I'm saying is that Appli Monsters felt like it was lacking at a technical level with bad story writing and direction. Meanwhile Ghost Game has it all, except a plot.
@@ebadsheikh792 That's because Appmon still did have overarching episodes, and the character development were baked into the plot progression. Episode 15 or so were still fairly early, especially in the context of Digimon. They were intended to be flawed characters at the beginning that would work themselves to become better characters with character-interpersonal relationship as the series progressed. Ghost Game characters, on the other hand, had their character development "frozen" if not static (as in not having any development as they were more or less can be considered as "complete" characters) and that the fact that most of the episodes were episodic, they were more or less designed so that audience could come and go anytime they want. There was no commitment needed by audience in terms of plot or character development. GG to me felt like it lost its direction, or more like the direction played secondary role as it's too wrapped up in the character/monster of the day which is not really meaningful in the bigger picture and to many people, the novelty of this wears off overtime.
This show had so much potential. But the constant dangling of bait on the INTERESTING lore has been getting me so damn angry. I honestly think it was gonna pull a fusion and do a new turn to the story and then something else. But oh well. I'll just look forward to the next series and hope they learn from this show
The logic behind making this an episodic format is laughable. These creatives seem really out of touch with that kind of thinking. Ghost Game had a strong start but then it became obvious there was no progression which made it super frustrating to watch. It had so much potential but it squandered it. Such a terrible decision!
You’ve pretty much perfectly encapsulated my thoughts about the show. I have a love-hate relationship with it. I enjoy watching it wait a week but at the same time I really wish that they would have a story arc that answered some of the questions that they raised. Like you said, the problem is not with it being episodic, the problem with it trying to be episodic and trying to have an over arching story with lore at the same time. But not delivering on the latter. Also, I literally laughed out loud when you talked about dark Patrick and dark Squidward.
I remember how excited I was at the start that they had recurring friends and villains with clockmon and angoramons friends etc. Everything about this show is perfect, I love all these characters in ghost game so much... but the stalled main story is just sad. I still love watching it for what it is, I can find the fulfillment in other shows and I hope the team sticks around for future digimon projects.
Yeah, the recurring villain part was something else. One of those, Dracmon, was completely wasted, only showing up to die. It's a shame, since he seemed to be planning on finding his own human partner, but didn't and served as cannon fodder for Myotismon.
What I can see though, is there's a fine line between Frontier and AD20 drags and Ghost Game drags. The whole genre not working well with a certain franchise is different from just dragging 7 filler episodes with no progress and the heroes looking like clowns.
I didn't actually see that interview, but the bit about "the final episode" to me depressingly echoes the biggest problem with Xros Wars: The Young Hunters Who Leapt Through Time. That series was littered with issues, but the most glaring of them all was the promise of a story that never kicked in until it was over. All of the new characters are robbed of any chance to be more than one characteristic (if they're even lucky enough to appear more than once), returning characters feel watered down, and the climax kicks in with no build-up and a rival hunter suddenly revealed to be evil with no prior indication. And Young Hunters... was only 25 episodes. It's baffling to me that the head writer doesn't feel you can do serial narratives in children's media, when the previous Digimon anime *did exactly that* and was clearly successful enough for Ghost Game to exist at all. Not to mention the ensuing popularity of serial manga and their anime adaptations which in the shonen demographic specifically (Ghost Game's demographic) are famous for their length. If Ghost Game wanted to have it both ways, then it should have approached it like other horror- and mystery-themed serials, where the bulk of episodes are standalone adventures, sprinkled by special episodes and two-parters that make significant advancements. It can be done, has been done. Ghost Game just isn't doing it right.
In addition to this, does anyone else remember them saying Ghost Game was approaching its climax? Nearly *two months ago?* Where's the climax? Will we even know when it happens?
they should make an anime adaptation of Digimon Survive. After actually sitting trough all the game i honestly believe it would make for quite a nice a darker Adventure style season
That explanation about TikTok and TH-cam ruining people's attention spans is a terrible excuse for why they are doing things this way. The show is unbalanced, because as stated, there's an interesting story lurking in the background, and what it ends up feeling like is a bait and switch. Despite whatever obscure announcements claimed they always wanted it to be episodic, they started out by promising an interesting story, then never followed up on it. Waiting until the last episode to resolve all this (if that's truly what they want to do) is lazy writing. And a purely episodic story does not work as well for Digimon when you have a natural sense of progression built in, referring to each new evolution stage. New evolution stages are a signpost that implies something has changed or progressed, but since nothing really has, it almost always feels random or unearned. A purely episodic show isn't as compatible with Digimon because Digimon, in all it's various forms, is about growth and becoming stronger. Which is not to say you can't lean more heavily on episodic storytelling, but you need to balance it with more story than we're currently getting, otherwise it's a one-note show with random, discordant notes in the background. TL;DR: The writers miscalculated and Digimon doesn't lend itself well to a purely episodic format.
Well, VB BE revealed that Gulus has an ultimate form called “Regulusmon”. Maybe the mega evolution of Gamamon called ‘Siriusmon’ would represent the triumph over that dark digivolution of Gamamon.
The first words out of my mouth when I saw the words "we looked at TikTok and TH-cam..." were "now who's fault is that?!" Just. Christ. I think it's also a case of profitability and have essentially, endless story (and there's a way to do that right, just not with f***ing Digimon) and potentially endless money vs. having a show that *ends* and that will mean having to make a whole new original story again.
@@thedigiknow Full disclosure, I pretend the anime ended after Frontier because every screenshot/clip I saw from Xros Wars looked so cheaply drawn it physically hurt to look at. So I can't say I'm surprised at how Ghost Game turned out. Something has to get cut when you're trying to make something that at least aesthetically *looks* as good as Ghost Game and unfortunately the rule of thumb (unless you're One Piece) is that it's 99% of the time story that suffers.
I used to be excited for ghost game episodes. Nowadays i cannot even be bothered watching almost any of the new ones as they got a little boring to me how most episodes just feel the same
Yeah I am in this ship too. In a way I like it a lot but sometimes I want story to continue and all of the black digimons we have seen. I want to know ! And I am lowkey hoping Blackwargreymon will show in this series.
Problem with Ghost game is that they wanted to be mature but also wanted to stay targeted at the same time. They never went far enough to be mature enough for older fans but I don't think it was entertaining enough for the younger fans. So it is in that limbo of not being enough for anyone else type of fan. I hope this doesn't make them give up because I would love an anime with the vibe of Survive.
You summed it up perfectly. I've seen every ep of Digimon, and was excited at the dark start with great storyline for ghost game. I even liked that they didn't just throw you all the digivolutions asap for content. The individual eps are really good as standalone episodes... But I got through the series and wondered when the storyline would kick in. Seems to be happening now, but 56 episodes for some storyline is a huge ask for any tv viewer
Exactly! It won't stick to it's intended mission of being STRICTLY episodical. Either constantly blend it or don't. Gravity Falls being the greatest example of that. Underlaying story happening throughout the series while the audience is following the A-plot of each episode.
@@TheBleachj16 i agree with this. I feel like Ghost Game has been, at the very least, thematically consistent, and consistent in how it breaks up its story beats. I kind of like that I can tell people "watch the first 5, see if you like it, then watch up to 12 if you want, and/or just watch whatever catches your interest."
As much as I love Ghost Game episode to episode I have to admit the lack of plot-focus does start to wear on me now that the episode count has gotten this big. Knowing there's still a lot of Digimon reveals to come thanks to the Vital Bracelet, and in general the standard set by later seasons to give everyone at least a Mega, I'm a little worried that they'll just pop up and become a part of the ongoing arsenal like the Ultimates rather than have a sense of overarching progression like past series. I'm still hopeful that the show could pick up and maintain its own interest but the precedent it's set so far has been mixed to say the least.
I never watched Ghost Game as it was airing, and have been binging it for a few days now. It’s interesting how the pacing issues go away when being watched in large blocks. It really feels like the narrative was written without the weekly release schedule in mind, which caused its audience to get uninvested. The poor pacing seems to be the biggest complaint I’ve seen from people.
Ghost game's episodic nature is actually really what I needed. Building up to GG I decided to do a personal retrospective to see if Digimon held up in my memory. I have rewatched the original Adventure series multiple times through my adult life so it never really memory degraded for me and is still exactly how I remembered it. I never forgot and there was never enough time for memory to fog up. Moving on to ones I hadn't seen since being a kid I binged through 02, Tamers, and Frontier before finally almost a year after it aired decided to watch Ghost Game. After Binging so many serialized narratives having a break from heavy story feels nice and I just ATE THROUGH GG episodes. The light Horror vibe is a favorite flavor of mine and I like that ghost game... doesn't feel like a heavy meal? If that makes sense. It's like a bag of popcorn; you never get full. You just keep eating. At most you get sick of the butter. But DAMN do I like butter!
Exactly, I think most of the viewer of the serie don't understand the main propose of ghost game is just to be a light horror serie with sérial little story. In fact the serie is clearly in the vein of Kitaro 2018 where main story was really rare and everything was revolve in 1 or 2 episode (like every kitaro serie). I want to point that the director of the serie made hakaba kitaro in 2008 ans the most horrifing episode from 2018. He just made his own Kitaro show. And it's work digimon ghost game is the biggest commercial success for digimon in 15 years.
@@ashelygordon669 I think that my only problem with the semi serialized story is simple how that the characters IN UNIVERSE are being written to handle the plot. It's similar to my initial issue with Steven Universe as early as it introducing new character Lapis Lazuli. The protagonists should have questions they want answered but the problem being they're not really pursuing answers at all...
this is a very nice review, i watch ghost game because suddenly random youtube algorithm shows the "Mega's" evolution scene of the main protagonists, it looks cool and i decided to give it a try, after dozens of episodes, it feels hollow, the citizens act like all the "Hologram ghost" never happened, the battle is mehh, just 1 or 2 skills and then Hiro use talk no jutsu, this show have great potential if its target mature audience with darker story, too bad it always had to be a kid show lol
Ghost Game could have been the next Tamers. If you took Kurata from Data Squad and put him in this show, he could have been a nuanced antagonist. Because now he would actually have a point.
I lost attention for Ghost Games when I realized it gonna be episodic and that's why I dislike this season. There is a reason why Digimon 1,2,3 are so beloved, even with so many flaws, because when we were kids we waited every morning to watch continuation of the story. There is shows that work fine as episodic, because they were design that way, but Digimon weren't, so if they deciding to make next season similar they gonna lose old fans and will not gain any new fans.
I still like and enjoy Ghost Game, on an episode to episode basis, there's definitely a lot of really strong little self-contained stories, and sometimes ones that end in an unsatisfactory note but were cool up until that point. But the lack of an ongoing narrative definitely hurts it, because the elements for something really cool ARE there, and were deliberately set up. It's honestly just annoying, and I wish they could have at least tried a LITTLE more to push the underlying narrative.
I'm about 20 episodes in and the whole villain of the week thing is already incredibly tiring and it feels like there isn't much of a through line every episode.
I’m at four minutes and I kinda really disagree, the growth and lessons aren’t forgotten (evolutions demonstrate this, something folk have complained have taken too long) the returning characters (already more meaningful than previous digimon shows secondary characters, the fact there’s so much speculation about second partners, this wouldn’t have been a thing in og or tamers) . I totally get being disappointed or not feeling it matches up to how you felt watching old digimon, even more so when you’ve committed to making content about it. But I think ghost game has had some cool themes , there is overarching progression it’s just not what people want. If they suddenly did 10 episodes of the digital world and meeting hiros father it’d be cool , but I’d miss the standalone new digimon and the strange ways their ideals and misinformation/miscommunication cause chaos and how this relates to unexplainable phenomena. This makes more sense to me than a new global threat every season and also helps raise the stakes if they do introduce that kind of big bad later. A hundred episodes taming gammamon , building a family with mummymon and the lads and then introducing a threat is essentially the same thing as having all the enemies dropping references to some boss every episode. It’s made the standalone dudes more meaningful, but I get why people would find the stories lame or worthless if going into it with that ‘filler or story’ view.
Ghost Game's glacial pacing is both a strength and a weakness. There's no full trainwreck arcs like 02 post Digimon Emperor/Frontier's Royal Knights/Xros Wars Death Generals but man the nothing happens gets annoying.
@@risersin7957 The protags constantly losing no matter what, and no meaning developments came from the losses. At least the prototype involving the Destiny/Holy Stones had some meaningful progress despite its tedium.
While I still do like the anime, I too was disappointed with the state of things. Having a great start, ghost game slowly started to decline in quality around episode 30 for me. They already hinted at many different plot threads, just still with no real answers to any of them and they just kept playing out the same formula episode after episode. I still enjoy the series but the excitement I've had has definitely faded at this current point in time. I really hope something changes soon as I still love the cast, the premise and just the franchise in general. I just want digimon to live up to the potential I know it can.
In all seriousness though, I guess my real main problem with Digimon Ghost Game is the lack of Adventure. And by that, I mean us exploring the Digital World itself. It definitely helps with finding clues on Hiro’s Dad’s whereabouts and learn more about Gammamon’s origins.
that's actually a really good comparison. it reminds me of when there is a season long threat, just in the background. you get hints and clues in individual episodes but the episodes themselves are also self contained stories that don't necessarily always drive the main threat forward. i like it.
Another good comparison would be the Batman TAS as it is also a surpisingly dark show with an episodic format. Ghost Game, Criminal minds, and Batman also had episodes with narratives more centered on the villains whiles the protagonists are just there doing their thing
I've said this before as have you so we both agree as do others that while Ghost Game has great stories to tell. But the show is as they say trying to have it's cake and eat it too, ghost game wants to be episodic but it drips in some interesting ideas for a potential story. Like what is the deal with the 3 black digimon we see watching from a distance, where do they come from, what do they want and what's their connection to GulusGamamon.
I feel very mixed on Ghost Game. On one hand it's a dark tone of horror I like that uses atmosphere, tension, music, and psychological elements to build fear rather than rely on Jumpscares that I have come to despise. Sure it's not as dark as Survive or on the same level as Tamers, but I have seen darker stuff than those two that turned me off for being too dark for sake of being dark (how I personally feel with Data Squad/Savers) and Ghost Game ain't that thankfully. On another hand, I am frustrated when they repeat themes, have very disappointing villains like Splashmon or repeat villains where the previous was better like Pumpkinmon vs Witchmon. It angers me more when stuff like the not real Hiro and first letter didn't go anywhere, which makes me worried for some plot cases. On a final hand however, I guess I want to wait and see if the final episodes surprise me because as someone who managed to get through and understand confusing plots like Kingdom Hearts, I am a little prepared for the mess Ghost Game is and am use to it. Does that mean I think it's a good mess? No, of course not. But some enjoy things not making sense and I both get that and am use to it because there are some series FAR MESSIER than Ghost Game or Kingdom Hearts (not saying GG is exactly like KH either, just I am use to the disconnect it has while trying to tell a straight story) I guess tldr; I love, dislike, and am neutral towards Ghost Game all at the same time if that makes sense?
Ghost Game currently is something like this : you watch couple of episodic episodes that are so episodic that makes you wonder where the show is supposed to go anyway. And then you are graced by that one episode that leaves the community with its mouth wide open from awe and admiration. A perfect blend of action dashed with a sprinkle of horroresque that is from time to time borderline illegal. Loves this series so much. Of course heroes are going to win. But the fact that creators of Digimon Ghost Games are not afraid to show pain and filth of human side. I guess Digimon Survive made its impact after
I'm so frustrated with the Monster of the Week format of Ghost Game too. It's a shame that it isn't as good as it could be, because what I do appreciate is that Digimon appear that had never been in an anime before. Like Coatlmon or Anubimon. Would be so much more amazing if we had finally gone into an overarching story.
Tbh the "kids get bored easily" is kind of a bullsh*t excuse. When I was a kid I remember when I came home from school I always turned on the TV and watched the new Ben 10 Ultimate Alien or Lego Ninjago. Shows that have a really serialized nature. If the show is good kids WILL get back for the next episode.
Me too I remember coming back from school going to cartoon netwerk and watching Bakugan Battle Brawlers. Those we're the times when Ben ten and Bakugan we're actually good.
POSSIBLY SPOILERS: One of my fears is since in the most recent episode gave us Warp evolution again, when we finally sort out the Gulus Mystery, Gulus himself can/or might be skipped and put on the sideline. If we can just skip Champion level, we can just jump each time to Gulus' inevitable Ultimate form. I'm worried that the revelation will be brief and then Gamnamon might go Mega, drawing everyone's attention to that.
Im also wondered why Gammamon cannot remember anything when he turn into gulusgammamon. Gulusgammamon like have his own memory, not sharing with gammamon. Also Gulusgammamon behaviour like waiting for something, thats why he choose to turn back to gammamon.
I hope Ghost Game's head writer never touches another Digimon series. He clearly doesn't understand what makes Digimon work, just like Tomoika botched Adventure 2020. Can we PLEASE have showrunners who understand Digimon again?
To be honest I like what a relaxing low tention feel good show Digimon Ghost game is. I love exiting stories but becuse of that its nice to have a show where things are more relaxing. Fore example I am currently obssesed with this Video game about a groupe of animal children that go on a quest to save there families in the mids of a war. That game does a really good job showing the struggle of these children and reminding me that there lifes are on the line. Its to me really intense and I get in to it every time I play this game. So watching an episode where its just Gammamon being adorable, they deal with a monster and then return to there happy lives feels so good. The characters and there growing number of Digimon friends are so wholesome.
Ghost game was an alright series. I haven't kept up with the series since it was postponed from that hack. I didn't mind the first couple of episodes, to me I liked how it set up the series and introduces the characters one by one. I like some of the recurring digimons that appeared as well as some of the new ones and the never appeared before digimons. It does make sense as to where the show is going but still I think they could have had great arks in between and piece together what happened to hiros dad and why digimons are entering the real world. I'm just disappointed that they haven't done anything up to now. I was really hoping we' get to see some kind of development or conflict in the show and with its characters. Certainly that ain't the case now, how they plan to end the show I hope won't be a loss string on a crane, or half ass everything we want answered. I hope that one day we'll get a digmon series that really do it show like seasons 1-4 and adapt the story telling in this day and age as well as taking risk and experiment.
Digimon GG had a great start with a horror theme and some new Digimon while also using old Digimon and a little mystery here and there. However, it gets old pretty fast after 50+ episodes of the same thing over and over again. A problem arises, the kids get involved, and they have a battle where it's almost good but pretty weak, they work things out, and the episode ends just feeling unsatisfying. I'm not saying GG is a bad season, as it has some good moments here and there. Not to mention being a pretty dark kid's anime that everyone thought could never happen again, I say it's a pretty good season. But with its lack of story, character development, and weak battles/endings, I wouldn't suggest this one as the first season for newcomers.
I enjoy this series and I love all the kids and their digimon but I do which there was more of a story. There's just so much potential with alot of the characters that were introduced.
This series is really special to me. It's the thing that got me back into being hyped about Digimon, after the flop that was the 2020 reboot of Adventure.. Every week I am hyped to see the next episode, I don't really mind the episodic timeline, I just absolutely love seeing older Digimon in new light. I understand that people want story and plot, but I still want to believe that they are slowly, really slowly, building up to that, hopefully in the Season 2 ;w;
To be honest i like anime where random “critters” or mythical creatures running about the place and co-existing with humans. Since I don’t see another anime writers or studio making content like Digimon, Pokémon, or Shadow Flame(to an extent) GG has become my go to anime on the weekend lineup just to adore our chocolate loving boy, and the creative stories being put together despite the lack of commitment. One point I majorly agree with is using the audience as an excuse for not being committed to certain kinds of media. I understand that you can’t please everybody, but that’s the bitter sweet of things so I’d say stick to what is best and hope for positive feedback.
If there's any reason I bother with Ghost Game is on this channel. I fell off so long, that's an excuse about attention span, once again a big group of board members trying to read numbers to understand the human mind. If kids like stuff they'll just like it, and if it's good anyone will watch it.
Speaking of the characters development being frozen, there's also the fact that at the start of every episode, when the kids listen to some strange occurence going on in the city, they never suspect it is related to Digimon activity at any moment.
While I do like Ghost Game and prefer it to the Adventure reboot. I wish that it had a continuous plot. I keep watching and wishing that the story would get rolling already.
As someone who used to like Pokémon a lot more than Digimon, one thing I appreciate a lot in Digimon is that the writers aren't afraid of chaging the games and the anime. Unfortunately, Pokémon got staginated for years so I stopped watching the anime becuase it was too boring for me. So Ghost Game filled this empty space that Pokémon left in me so I am enjoying the show because I don't expect any overarching plot.
I personally find it quite refreshing that, in an era where constant online availability has made serialized narratives all the rage, franchises like Digimon and YuGiOh have opted for a more episodic approach. When the only options seem to be a batch-release format meant for binging, or a hype train that inevitably stalls from being dragged out over the course of a 3-6 month season, it's really nice to have shows where I can just drop in once a week to casually enjoy an interesting concept or a fun premise.
Young hunters that leapt through time was also fully episodic up till the last episode which is about the only thing i really didn't like about it and i think that's the best season of Xros Wars. Ghost Game on the other hand I feel has a lot more "just ok" episodes than stand out ones and it's been getting tiring keeping up. The last few episodes have been exciting if only because we finally get to see their mega's but i still feel like they're fumbling where other series didn't. It's really hard to articulate but this new generation of Digimon feels very half hearted in both production and writing.
Honestly, the team up at the end of Young Hunters was so well done and oozed so much fanservice that, IMO, it singlehandedly made up for how crappy the rest of that series was. Totally agree than Digimon feels halfhearted nowadays. I haven't truly felt invested in a Digimon series from beginning to end since Savers/Data Squad. None of the current generation of Toei employees seem to "get" Digimon.
It's a shame that the writer seem to think that people don't have the attention for anything anymore and have to be spoon fed everything. Maybe it's just the way I grew up, but personally one of the reasons I fell in love with the original Digimon as a kid was exactly because it wasn't afraid and tackle darker stuff like death, loss, jealousy, feelings of incompetence/insignificance and having to face your fears and stand up for you believes to succeed. I would be really sad if this didn't catch anybody these days. I do love many things about Ghost Game, the charas, the Digimons, the art style, I even don't mind the episodic nature that much as I'm a big sucker for slice of life stuff happening. But it is true that the character feel limited and can't really grow due to the same nature. And it does feel like Ghost Game has been messing that one big "oh shit" moment that really kicks the gear running, like Myotismon going to the human world in Adventures, Black Wargreymon in 02 or the digidestined going into the digital world in Tamers. There would have been many great opportunities over the run for ghost game so far, Gullus, some of the bigger villains, digivolution debutes, but it can't really go anywhere if everything just goes back to normal after one side. I definitely enjoyed the ride overall, but it would surely be shame if all the lingering mystery gets resolved in one episode at the end. Kinda feels like Tri, that created one hell of a mess, then tried to somewhat fix that mess in its final movie and still left more questions unanswered than answered. Also bless people who have the ability to watch any episode anywhere these days, even if it's not always legal. I had to wait 15 years to watch the 3 episodes I missed on Adventure's original run. Nowadays you have the episodes on YT 5 mins after they aired, or even life broadcasted on official streaming sites if you get lucky. Not being able to watch a show cause you missed the first episode really shouldn't be an issue nowadays.
i think my feelings of ghost game could be summed up on i spent maybe like, the first... 20 or so episodes eagerly and excitedly talking about it to my friends, and then slowly not as excitedly, and then forgetting that it was new episode day until the day was almost over, eventually reaching a breaking point when i just kinda... cried, when i realized that this thing i was so so excited for and loved the beginning of just, wasn't enjoyable to me anymore, that i felt like i was slogging through the episodes hoping that we'd get... something more. that more of the characters they made would show up and be important, or atleast have a like, "recovering" episode (the boy from the ajatarmon ep watched someone obsessively in love with them off themselves in front of him, and then we never see how he's doing again). we've seen people die and buildings get busted and no one.... cares. its all brushed off and forgotten by the beginning of the next episode, which it WASN'T always like that, the bokumon thing especially, but now even gulus doesn't feel like it fully... matters, it makes me sad feeling like they had a piece of gold ore and them throwing it aside for a whole series of episodic,,, time wasting. it feels like side digimon like clockmon has had more character growth than any of the main cast, which is jarring...
I’m kind of in the same place. Started out excited, especially since they kept dropping little hints of things going on in the background. Some digimon having no idea how they got to the human world, or the black digimon seemingly keeping an eye on gammamon. Plus recurring digimon like mummymon. Then those “crumbs” rarely go anywhere. We wait several episodes to find out relatively small details: like black tailmon is in contact with Hiro’s father, or Hiro gets to have a two minute conversation with gulusgamammon where gulus drops hints that he knows things normal gammamon doesn’t. My interest has worn down to “I’ll look up the episode summary online to see if anything major happens.”.
@@corvidaegudmund1186 i atleast watch them as best as i can focus on, then just kinda like... hopefully complain about the little breadcrumbs and how i wish there was anything satisfying happening. i feel really bad for the dude who was having nightmares about people not liking the ending, but where rhe series is now i really dont see it being able to salvage it. i felt mt stomach drop when I heard that shit wasn't gonna get resolved until the last episode tbh. thats not good story telling, thats scrambling to cover up plotholes/loose ends
@@mysticdigital5936 How is it wrong to mention flaws with the show? Especially since Digiknow for instance mentions the good and the bad, and the bad being the concern here? Regarding the inconsistency between the episodic and serialized nature which leaves people confused? You’re saying it’s fine if the show never explains Gulus and the Digimon coming over to the real world?
Possibly. During it the earliest days I predicted that this might be among my favorites along side Adventure , Tamers, and Data Squad. I don’t think that’s going to be the case.
Episodic shows are good when they never try to build an overarching story. Ghost Game fails because it hints at an overarching narrative with Gulus and with Hiro's dad. Scooby Doo is a great episodic show because there IS no overarching story and we know it but eith Ghost Game, by teasing us a story and then constantly not elaborating on it, they fail unfortunately
I made sure to watch this entire video before commenting, and I thought it was a great analysis of GG's flaws and strengths. Not gonna lie, I enjoy Ghost Game, but I want it to _be better._ I'm also gonna be honest about how I've seen shows do the episodic with recurring plot threads format better than this show. For example, I started watching Batman Beyond like a month ago and just recently finished it, and let me tell you, watching Batman Beyond alongside GG made me realize just how fundamentally flawed GG is. After all, not only does BB outclass Ghost Game in terms of being an episodic show with recurring plot threads, but it also outclasses it in every important category: characterization, visuals, dialogue, worldbuilding, pacing, etc. Also, hey you referenced Batman: the Animated Series as an example of a really good episodic series! I agree! Lastly, another reason I chose Batman Beyond as a comparison is because I wanted to have a tribute of sorts to Kevin Conroy, who died on the 10th. I'm not good at feeling sentimental, but I'm truly emotional at his passing since he was the Batman of my childhood.
My problem with Ghost Game is that compared to Youkai Watch - Shadow Side the latter has a more conclusive yet serialsed plot even tough both are very similar in my opinion Digimon Ghost Game really underplays what it could have been I feel disappointed but I am still not giving it up on the show until the very final episode I am just very doubtful...
The show's bread crumbs are the only reason I'm still here even after I bailed on Adventure 2020. Not to mention the show earlier on really did go places that were interesting. Legit people ended up dead and the smaller stories had a creepy down to earth feeling. Unfortunately Episode 26 Cannibal Mansion was the last time the show ever WOWED me. After that nothing ever came close to earlier episodes highs. They also seemed to have stopped with the human casualties which were one of the most interesting things this season has done the others don't really do. Digimon Survive at least came at a good time when Ghost Game was and still is dropping the ball. Ghost game for me at least really only has the teases, the adorbs Gammamon, and Kiyo/Jelly relationship. That's all the show offers now after it seemingly lost it's edge and decided to spin its wheels. It's pulling a Xros Wars Hunters where they backloaded the plot at the very end and maybe the show mostly one big commercial.
Honestly hearing you talk about the issues you find with Ghost Game made me feel better for having similar problems. I was so excited for the series and what it might bring to the franchise as a whole when it was first shown. But as the weeks went on I started noticing problems. The way conflicts were resolved came off as weak, plots such as galusgammamon's existence and tailmon uber were hinted at but never developed in a meaningful manner. The kids have no idea of what the digital world is, nor have they had focus episodes that shows how they have grown as individuals compared to other digimon series. And i wouldn't mind so much if the series was truly episodic. But it keeps hinting at things that say 'hey ghost game has an actual plot to pay attention to!' without doing anything with those hints. I didn't think I'd feel this way when Ghost Game started, but I'm genuinely feeling that Adv 2020 is a better overall digimon anime and when ghost game is done I'm likely to forget about it's existence.
2020 is the most insultingly awful Anime I've seen since Sailor Moon Crystal. Just mindless fight after mindless fight with bland characters, that coasts by purely on nostalgia.
I ended up liking the reboot a lot more than I expected, and there are aspects to 2020 that I prefer over the original series despite it's shortcomings. *shrug emoji*
Honestly it is lazy I think. They don’t have to commit and just end it all in one episode. You’re drip fed for half the series, something happens, drip fed again and it ends in one episode with no real pay off. Just rushed explanations
I disagree that Canoweismon was unearned. I don't remember much about Ruli and Lamortmon but Hiro and Kiyoshiro had to fight through what seemed to be torturous pain, Betelgammamon being infected with a virus that made Hiro feel his pain and Kiyoshiro being poisoned. It felt like it gave them the physical perspective of fights that their partners go through. They could've just given up right there but they instead gained new determination and fought through pain with their partners which opened up their ultimates. Unlike past digimon this one relies more on being emotionally in sync with their partners, hence why there's a meter on their digivices for attacks and digivolving. I do enjoy most of the episodes but I do hope this isn't the case about just dumping everything in one or two episodes and ending it. The previous translations by the head writer give me hope that the show will turn into something more serialized for what I'm hoping for is a good 20 episodes, which in a way would balance the episodic past of the show for me.
I feel the big difference between Canowiessmon and Thetismon is that Cano's episode was basically a Ruri episode up until 2/3s of the way in, Hiro was barely a focus up until then. If anything, it would've been a more worthy Lamortmon evolution episode since she was the target and the one initially in danger, which would've been a great catalyst for Angoramon going wild to save her. Thetismon's the focus was completely on Kiyoshiro and him dealing with the situation, to the point that Hiro and Ruri were barely involved, so her evolution felt completely justified within the episode itself.
I’m sure the same audience that is watching ghost game are also watching other complex anime with rich stories , they needa take their audience serious and make or more story
Welp. You were correct. The 3 black Digimon ended up being a load of nothing, Gulus is almost completely inconclusive and this whole new thing came from nowhere at all and went nowhere
When the show first started and heard that it would be episodic, I thought it would be similar to Gravity Falls but without the restrictions of Disney, aka more dark/scary. Now, the state of GG just makes me want to rewatch Gravity Falls lol (still a fun show though).
Ghost Game is one of those seasons that honestly grew to become a personal favorite for me. Maybe it's because it doesn't follow a story of "Group of characters follow bad guy, bad guy does bad things, heroes save the day at the end, much like every season before it." Every episode; despite some being great/okay/bad, has a motto and some meaning to it. And Hiro not wearing goggles(Marcus from Savers didn't wear any as well); save from every other lead character, I feel is cool. Gammamon is honestly one of the cutest Digimon and it makes me happy every time I see it on my screen. Honestly, the reason I personally like Ghost Game is mostly...Kiyoshiro. Not kidding. He honestly went from being my most hated, to my favorite out of he three. Yeah, he's scared of pretty much everything, but he has his shining moments. Episode 29 is the one that made me love the character. He's scared sure, but he'd never give up to the end. Somehow, it kinda related to me if I need to protect my mom. Thus making it one of my favorite episodes. And Jellymon.. yeah.. I liked her the moment she debuted. I honestly love these two as a whole. I mean yeah.. It does have some flaws. I mean the plot is all over the place. We can't tell who/what's going on. Does it have a main villain a the end? What is the end game solution here? Espimon saying that he's looking for the real Hiro(I screamed one time at the screen "Dude! He's right there next to you!) I was kinda annoyed at first, but it's fine. Besides those flaws, I think Ghost Game is a good series in my opinion. I feel it's a slight better than the Digimon 2020 reboot, but that's just me.
I think one of its biggest detriments can be summed up with this annecdote: In the website I watched it on, every episode has the same first comment underneath: "No plot progression on this one either."
yeah not to mention that canowissemon stole a ruli focus episode with villain that was ruli first intro to digimon. but by the fact that you can now guess when something going to be resolved without a digimon death just based on how easy a conflict can be hand waved , with they said sorry. the death total for humans is alarmingly high 24 are heroes only acted on destroying a Digimon when it was a zombie, this felt poor it was suppose to be moment of resolve to finally destroy evil digimon but then later keep on having hesitate.
I think another thing I'll add about the Canoweissmon point is that it felt completely out of place where he debuted. Up until the point he evolved it was very much a Ruri episode as she was the one lured to Vamdemon/Myotismon and the one he was immediately targeting while Hiro was barely a focus, it didn't shift gears until BetelGammamon was isolated from the others and that was about 2/3s in. So it not only felt unearned in the overarching sense, it felt unearned in the episode it was in entirely, making it fall short both in a serialized and episodic format. And with that tangent in mind, I do agree with your point. The show is trying to be episodic with sprinkles of serialized content, but it's not excelling at either as the episodes sometimes mesh together and don't really stand out from each other and the serialized elements are so spread thin that keeping track requires watching through multiple episodes for a small step forward. I think it's struggling in what it wants to be at times, and while like you I'm tuning in and watching each episode, it has become a hit or miss series for me personally.
I had fun with the series at first, but really hate the whole “monster of the week” formula. I also am not fond of the art style and miss the art style from season 1 (or even season 3)
Almost two years since it finished, I still love this season. Mostly finding some episodes stand alone, I can easily go back and watch any episode just for that episode story. I just love watching random episode without feeling like I need to continue watching the season because I want the story to continue. I just watch one episode randomly and I am done. So personally, this is my second favorite season behind adventure one.
Ghost Game became a fun series for me because this series setup is Digimon that consider a hologram ghost. It's a more urban legend or scares rumor type of stuff than the original Digimon plot. From my perspective, the reason why is ghost more episodic is that I think the writer wants to make the anime feels like rumor-type stuff which goes and comes quickly. Ghost games have the feels of that type of horror anime which is episodic and sometimes left hanging.
For me, that sounds a lot like the problem behind the Pokémon games and what I had heard about the development of X and Y, mainly about kid’s attention spans and how they don’t want good stories or some crap.
Perhaps after OG, 02, Tamers, Frontier... and Reboot, we were so used to seeing this adventure story format in Digimon. And Ghost Game tried story-telling that similar to Pokemon series, case of the week, and urban legends that closely related to the real world. I guess this is what happened when digimon became popular, goes commercialization like everything else.
This is not similar to Pokémon. Pokemon still had a goal which they work toward with the monster of the week format. GG in most episodes does nothing to mention the overall story or character growth
> I guess this is what happened when digimon became popular, goes commercialization like everything else. Not enough. Might as well as say ANYTHING but Adventure, Tamers and Savers are shaky and all over the place.
Depending on how this series ends, it would be a good idea to create a watch list so that future watchers or re-watchers can watch relevant episodes while skipping the pure filler ones.
It's funny that the creator says kids are distracted easy by tiktok or something else. As a 30 year old the way they are doing things is boring me, I watched all the previous digimon because it all linked to each other and I'm sick of this series, I got 41 episodes in an gave up From the sounds of things the 9 episodes infront of me nothing happens again, I'll just wait till your final review of the show
Why cant they make it like Digimon Appmon with the same episodic nature that go on into big important arcs later on? Digimon appmon is so satisfying to watch cuz they keep pushing the story despite the episodic nature, reveal more and more plot point and then have an amazing finale showcasing the growth of every characters.
What went wrong? how about eliminating the one thing Digimon anime did which made it different from Pokemon, a goddamn arc, I was hoping for it to be much like Tamers, Ghost game has had so much potential to be more of its sum, but it somehow keeps taking two steps back, being completely aimless and never does anything worthwhile with its characters. I'ts ok to say this is not a show for me, it's for kids, but man, when I was a kid, Digimon stood out for me only because I wanted to know what would happen next. Rant over.
The partner Digimon do get a little development though. Like Jellymon wants to start businesses and she learns that she needs to give more thought into them and Gammamon takes a couple of episodes to deal with grief, etc. The humans are the ones that seem to be oblivious to everything happening and dont develop. Except Kiyo though. He actually goes through an emotional breakthrough in each Jellymon evolution. Hes the best character because of this.
I guess I would count as a digimon fan as i've seen most series, I like Ghost Game a lot but its lack of general progression holds this series back to me. I do think the indivudal stories in this series are the best in the franchise but nobody learning anything make this series not really work for me.
This series had so much potential but to me it feels squandered. I along with many others been bringing up these issues for months yet many fans of the show want to berate those who have legitimate criticisms about the series. It's a shame
Yeah, you're correct, man. While the story of Digimon Ghost Game is not bad, the way it is presented and the overall pacing is a bit ... weird and off-putting. I have been binging every 10 episodes of Ghost Game rather than watching it every week after episode 21.
I lost interest in Digimon Ghost Game after about episode 40-45. I grew up with shows like "Power Rangers", so I don´t mind "the monster or problem of the week" method DGG are going for, but the serie is missing that special "something" that tie everything together. That "something" is the plot. After 45 episode I´m not any wiser about the Digital World or why the Digimons is coming here, that I was in the beginning of DGG. If I´m wrong, someone please tell me what I missed (not counting random Dark Digimons).
still accurate tbh
Painfully accurate ya… time to watch the older digimon shows lol
The “kids are stupid/get bored easily” seems to be a common opinion for creatives behind the current iterations of long running franchises despite those franchises showing growth, maturity and complex storytelling in the past.
This just reminds me of the reason why the battle frontier from Pokémon Emerald didn't make it to ORAS, because kids are bored and more interested in quick mobile games.
Confirmation bias. I wonder how much is it about the 'kids' vs profitability and cutting costs. Following an episodic formula helps more with the later imo. They are feeding into what they already "believe", not the other way around.
Which I really hate cause sorry for the constant comparison (I hate it too but it always comes up) but whenever compared to Pokemon, that was one of the main draws for Digimon. Darker tones, character growth, overarching plots, though recently it seems the reverse is true now (At least for the anime). I really don't want to see Digimon go down the wrong path again then be forced to claw their way out of the grave once more. I personally still enjoy the anime but the pacing has got to change soon as the anime is the main gateway for other media such as games, card games, etc.
@@andresmarrero8666 ahh, my mistake then. All I heard recently was that they're bringing back old characters and some of them have new motivations and designs. While I agree it still sounds like a mess, at least there was an attempt at some kind of "growth".
As a hobbyist writer, I have the opposite opinion; Readers, even younger ones, are becoming more critical of their media and will consume if it's quality.
the most successful kids shows treat their audience like adults and just focus on good writing. I cant speak for the kids these days but I remember appreciating animated stuff with darker tones. It made me hone in and want more. People say comics are for kids, and kids only too. It is sad.. The reason why people think kids have no attention span is also because that is how they write off the younger generation. Great stories can be told if people are not afraid of selling something to someone with no attention span. Attention will come with good story telling.
This doesn’t treat the audience like adults. It’s showing how Digimon are integrating themselves into society.
Focusing solely on GulusGammamon and Hiro would feel childish to me because it gives the impression that that the world revolves around Hiro.
@@pn2294 it’s true, in fact a lot of times this show reminds of gegege no kitaro and how it had a similar approach to its episodes
I agree, but Digimon is made for selling toys, games, and accessories. Past 5 series shown you serial story telling can’t beat episodic series like Pokémon which is also created for the same purpose. Popularity of Digimon never surpassed Pokémon in Japan.a
Let’s also not forget how production pressure created the Blizwargreymon plot mess, where episodic method can easily slip in such changes. Matter of fact if you look at other on going series selling games/playing cards, majority went episodic instead.
I don't know man. How do we explain the Pokémon anime still running after all these years? It's a kids show that doesn't treat their audience like adults.
@@ultraspinalki11 then I say Digimon should focus on the teen demographic.
For me, Ghost Game had a strong start that honestly hooked me for a long time as there are some great individual episodes but then again, there's isn't a big plot other than Hiro's Dad which is a bit disappointing as the Black Agumon appearing, more character growth, etc could have helped this series more. I still really like Ghost Game for what it offered but it could've been a bit more better. I'm willing to give this series more time up to the final episode when it happens to see how things will change and if it can improve the series more.
Yeah, it’s a better move in the long-term to wait & judge a series in its totality!
The thing about Ghost Game is we don't know how long it will go. All Digimon series usually go for about 50 episodes (I count Xros Wars season 1 and 2 as one season while season 3 as a separate season entirely). The season with large amounts of episodes is the new reboot 2020 Adventure with more than 60 episode surpassing all other season if you count Xros Wars season 3 as separate season.
yup, I m also wondered where is the silhouette of black agumon and some other silhouette digimon in the early ep and middle ep? Also why the ep stop at ep 51(2021) and already have preview ep 52. Until now(2022), no ep 52 yet.
I loved the first 3 seasons of Digimon as well as the reboot and Tri. Ghost Game, i watched the first 10 eps and called it a day. Same reason why i never watched Pokemon. I need to see the story going somewhere. I want to get Invested in it. Not waste 20 mins for nothing xD
@@joaosoares2570 This is what Masatoshi Chiyoka, Director and Storyboard of Digimon Ghost Game said in an interview back in November 2021 issue of V-Jump : "While they were still at the stage of the very first planning stages, the producer, Sakurada-san (Sakurada Hiroyuki, Assistant Producer for Adventure and Adventure 02 and Producer for Adventure reboot), called out to me. It was right around that time when they were roughly thinking of the proposal to have the Digimon series to be “episodic” and “with a horror feel”. From there, we had more and more planning meetings, finalized the ideas that came out, and they had me put together and submit the tentative draft for this project."
Ghost game has a special place in my heart. It's nice to see an original story and i can see it getting a second season or follow up movie. It's my sons first digimon series, he can't even speak yet but his reaction to gammamon being cute literally warms my heart so much and i want to buy him a plushie for it eventually. I really hope this franchise keeps growing and stays strong for years to come.
I understand you like it. But, you got to admit that this show biggest flaws is they barely do anything, even though it's a episodic series there so many thing that's happening in the show, and nothing happening. The current team are lazy and too busy going on with their boing everyday life by doing whatever they want rather than focusing on the important stuff that's happening in their world. Other than the monster of the week, are there any progress for the characters to accomplish their goals if they have one?
I would see a special after the Ghost Game story is over.
Hiro and Gammamon would end up in the 2020 dimension, where they'll met Yamato, Koushiro, Sora, Joe, Mimi, Takeru, Kari and their Digimon. They'll eventually come across a boy with his Digimon; Wormmon.
@@jacobmartin3639 You forgot Taichi.
I know it’s a kid show, but I’d be scared letting my kid watch certain episodes from Ghost Game. Then again maybe every generation needs to experience their own D-Reaper moment. I just hope your son hasn’t been scarred by any of the more gruesome episodes yet.
@@Animemus I am way too young for something like having your own children.
I’ve always had such a complicated relationship with Ghost Game.
THRILLED when it pops off and really sad when it drops the momentum it *purposefully* builds.
I totally get that people enjoy it how it is right now, it can be enjoyable without a story. However, you’d be hard pressed to convince me - that having even a light story throughout, could ever make it worse.
Excellent video DigiKnow, literally couldn’t have put it better ✅
Its mostly because both you and Digiknow have a clear perspective on the franchise as a whole while covering this is whats keeping the Digimon media afloat
I was doing a Ghost Game podcast while it was coming out week to week, and this basically explains my issues exactly. Lots of formulaic plots that felt repetitive, non-existent narrative between episodes, and LOTS of hints throughout. I genuinely liked some of the episodes, but other ones just flopped super hard. And the ENTIRE time we were just slowly giving into nihilism at the realization that none of it would actually matter at all.
I've never felt like I've had to struggle more to talk about an episode than I did when we were 50 episodes in and the plot was still just "A bad digimon appears, does a bad thing, we're retroactively told what the deal is without any real hints, and then they beat it." Like it doesn't even really function as a mystery show because you're not given enough info. But it'll absolutely go out of its way to work in all three main characters and what they're doing that day every time whether they're relevant for the episode or not.
Just absolutely absurd how poorly thought out this was at points.
It kinda bites that the most common take I've heard from fellow Digimon alumni is that Ghost Game is just "good" hovering above "ok", but could be "amazing" or even "great" if they took advantage of the setup they've done thus far.
Pretty much. They had the building blocks for an amazingly awesome show with fantastic story and character, waved the blocks around for a while, then put them back in the toy chest without actually doing anything with them. So much potential wasted.
You clearly haven’t looked at enough forums. The most common take is that it’s mid lmao. It even has a lukewarm, tepid reception in Japan (similar to over here)
Ghost Game is a mixed bag of quality. When you look at it's parts individually it's all really good. The Digimon being shown, lore stuff, even stuff like ecology for Digimon or the nods to the fandom here and there. Individually it's always fun to look at and talk about, but as you said it's kind of tiring week after week after week for no progress to be made. Take Gulus as the best example, first time he showed up, there was LOTS to talk about, his personality, his bond with Hiro, the fact BLACK AGUMON showed up in the anime. But beyond that, those were just questions left for us to mull over until we were given our next few bread crumbs. But the problem is rather than crumbs from the next slice of the loaf, we got less crumbs from the same slice. Gulus appears, kills Arukenimon, he reverts, BlackGargomon appears. It DID at least give us something, that Black Agumon's not the ONLY Black Variant Digimon to be watching things. Then, once again, same slice of story bread, he appears, he reverts, then Black Growlmon is shown watching. This literally added nothing else beyond another black variant and leaving us wondering what's going on. And you CAN'T have a mystery or story that just wraps up in the last episode. But I guess we'll see.
I remember saying how I got annoyed with some things in the series, such as the inconsistent plot progression and Espimon constantly saying he’s looking for the real Hiro (despite me also listing stuff I like about the episode at the time), but someone replied to me saying, “I don’t see how it’s annoying, it’s just that you don’t like the series. Talking about Espimon is trivial and that you’re treating it like a flaw.”
I like GG, especially with the inspiration of ghost stories being implemented in digital life forms, even the individual episodes and the characters, but you can also have things you don’t like about it and want to improve.
You did say you’d like it if it was solely episodic or continuing to dive into the mysteries which I also agree and prefer as well. The show doesn’t balance that well and leaves people wondering what to expect, if it’s only episodic, seralized or both.
It sucks that someone got mad at you for having criticisms! I know what that feels like since someone lashed out at me for having criticisms about Hiro's character.
@@ikai21 Yeah after they said I was just trying to hate on the show, I said I mentioned one thing and it’s not wrong to mention flaws. But they said it’s weird to treat the “Espimon looking for Hiro scavenger hunt” as an actual flaw as it’s trivial.
And I don’t dislike Hiro, but I don’t mind anyone who has criticisms towards him. Sorry that happened to you too.
@@IgnitedQuils You can have issues with how characters are written whether you like or dislike them. But yeah, it sucks that that person didn't understand that. I just wanted to relate with you since I had a similar experience.
I do like Espimon alot. I dont mind his thing of not beliving Hiro is the real Hiro becuse of the fathers misleading discription. I found that actully rather amusing.
@@sofaris576 Yeah I can see how that can be funny due to Digimon not being able to reproduce, it was just that it was used constantly over and over, and they even tried explaining it to Espimon.
Honestly, I feel like Digimon should start targeting the Teen demographic, Just like the Digimon Story Games.
Totally agree. Survive was the best story Digimon's told in ages and that's because it was allowed to tell a more mature story
Didn’t they try that with Data squad?
Which now that I type that out I make it seem like that was a bad show. It was actually pretty good all things considered Was it the best no but it wasn’t bad.
That would help differentiate it from Pokémon in the eyes of outsiders
As said, the problem is not the show and its premise, the problem are the writters. They change from a slew of episodes to the next and that is what skews the flow and makes it swings back and forth from the saturday-morning cartoon to a serial anime, to eventually use the last episode to squeeze everything in the last moment and call it a day for that generation. Too many oddballs in control of the script and outlining everything awkwardly because they are forced to shoehorn the traditional digimon formulae while trying to keep the pace of the rest of the anime, and that takes minutes of precious filming that could be used for something else like bridging scenes or giving some storytelling.
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Writers changing is normal, especially in an episodic tv show. And the show has never skewed to being a serial anime. Tossing in some overarching threads suddenly doesn't change the show into a serial show.
Ghost game started strong. Had a good premise, but you are right, same thing every week gets... Boring. Is not worthy to get invested when the story is so messy in my opinion. I stopped watching a few episodes ago. I hope we get a new series, I really do, but sounds to me that toei really does not care that much for Digimon in general, so I'm not holding my breath :(
I think the claim of the target audience not having the attention span to enjoy a continuous plot is just an excuse not to try and make one. It's not easy keeping a plot decent for so many episodes without ending it
I feel like the easiest answer ever to fix so many of these issues is to just make some mysteries two-parters. Because some of these episodes ABSOLUTELY needed way more time to develop the ideas of them.
AncientSphinxmon trying to revive Pharohmon is such a great idea! Why not expand on it? Have Part 1 be them setting him up and doing the riddle thing, then Mummymon gets involved, AncientSphinxmon overpowers them, and the pyramid is completed. Then you get an entire second episode all about learning what Pharohmon's deal is, setting up Ruri's arc, paying off her character by... I dunno... having her use her music knowledge to solve a riddle or something......? And then you get her defeating AncientSphinxmon before helping Hiro and Gammamon beat Pharohmon.
You could build up these side characters a bit, show some worldbuilding and lore, still have a compelling mystery, and set the stakes so the evolution feels worth it. Maybe explore Mummymon's relationship with these Digimon and his history a bit. And because it's a two-parter it's still pretty quick and self contained within that format.
Instead we just get this rushed plot where Sphinxmon wants to revive Pharohmon, then Ruri just gets a Mega out of nowhere, we beat him, and that entire plot just dies with all the potential and intrigue going completely ignored. It's not really the worst, but for all the stuff you could have done with it, it's just such a waste...
Alternatively, just have a few recurring antagonists. Hey, remember when Myotismon and his vampire group escaped? Have them come back. Matadormon can do some Matador themed thing and then he reveals himself and goes GranDracmon. That's still a unique setup, and you can have characters be like "Oh crap, it's that guy from that one past episode!"
Remember when Datamon was literally experimenting on people? That's such a fun idea, just a mad scientist Digimon that does mad scientist things. Why not use that for more stuff? Datamon could be the one behind multiple mysteries and the gang has to fail a few times before finally catching him. That would give us stuff to speculate about and give Datamon some time to build his motives and character a bit so there's more weight to his character. But nope, just one and done. Just like everyone else.
At 4:19 , I am so glad you mentioned Martin Mystery . I thought I was the only one who had remembered this great show .
It was one of my favourite horror shows after Scooby Doo in early 2000s. It makes me feel sad that most 90s and early 2000s kids have forgotten this great show .
Btw love from India 🇮🇳
Same here! It really scared me when I first watched it
I'm at least hoping for another season that actually explores everything that was laid out like Hiro's dad, Gulus, BlackAgumon, Blacktailmon Uber, Epsimon...it's just so much that can be explored in a new season and doesn't even have to be rushed
People who want more overarching stories in their Digimon shows might want to watch App Monsters (if you haven't already). I always feel that App Monsters is underrated and many Digimon fans simply skipped it. App Monsters had it's flaws but it's still a solid show.
I did try Appli monsters, but it was boring and annoying to say the least so I dropped it. The main characters were annoying (specially that yellow dude) and the story itself didn't hook me in the beginning. I believe I watched around 15 or so episodes before I decided I couldn't take it anymore. Comparatively, I was following ghost game till 40 or so episode simply because even though there was very little plot, the character strength and character interactions combined with well executed episodes kept be hooked enough to follow it.
All in all, what I'm saying is that Appli Monsters felt like it was lacking at a technical level with bad story writing and direction. Meanwhile Ghost Game has it all, except a plot.
I enjoyed Appli Monsters; it’s different but still a heartwarming show.
I want to try it but the silly character designs for some push me away
Or rewatch the shows they keep invoking every time they complain about GG not being like ___
@@ebadsheikh792 That's because Appmon still did have overarching episodes, and the character development were baked into the plot progression. Episode 15 or so were still fairly early, especially in the context of Digimon. They were intended to be flawed characters at the beginning that would work themselves to become better characters with character-interpersonal relationship as the series progressed.
Ghost Game characters, on the other hand, had their character development "frozen" if not static (as in not having any development as they were more or less can be considered as "complete" characters) and that the fact that most of the episodes were episodic, they were more or less designed so that audience could come and go anytime they want. There was no commitment needed by audience in terms of plot or character development. GG to me felt like it lost its direction, or more like the direction played secondary role as it's too wrapped up in the character/monster of the day which is not really meaningful in the bigger picture and to many people, the novelty of this wears off overtime.
This show had so much potential. But the constant dangling of bait on the INTERESTING lore has been getting me so damn angry.
I honestly think it was gonna pull a fusion and do a new turn to the story and then something else. But oh well. I'll just look forward to the next series and hope they learn from this show
The logic behind making this an episodic format is laughable. These creatives seem really out of touch with that kind of thinking. Ghost Game had a strong start but then it became obvious there was no progression which made it super frustrating to watch. It had so much potential but it squandered it. Such a terrible decision!
You’ve pretty much perfectly encapsulated my thoughts about the show. I have a love-hate relationship with it. I enjoy watching it wait a week but at the same time I really wish that they would have a story arc that answered some of the questions that they raised. Like you said, the problem is not with it being episodic, the problem with it trying to be episodic and trying to have an over arching story with lore at the same time. But not delivering on the latter.
Also, I literally laughed out loud when you talked about dark Patrick and dark Squidward.
I remember how excited I was at the start that they had recurring friends and villains with clockmon and angoramons friends etc. Everything about this show is perfect, I love all these characters in ghost game so much... but the stalled main story is just sad.
I still love watching it for what it is, I can find the fulfillment in other shows and I hope the team sticks around for future digimon projects.
Yeah, the recurring villain part was something else. One of those, Dracmon, was completely wasted, only showing up to die. It's a shame, since he seemed to be planning on finding his own human partner, but didn't and served as cannon fodder for Myotismon.
@@akl2k7 Yeah, talk about wastes potential for a "dark" Digidestined!
What I can see though, is there's a fine line between Frontier and AD20 drags and Ghost Game drags. The whole genre not working well with a certain franchise is different from just dragging 7 filler episodes with no progress and the heroes looking like clowns.
I didn't actually see that interview, but the bit about "the final episode" to me depressingly echoes the biggest problem with Xros Wars: The Young Hunters Who Leapt Through Time. That series was littered with issues, but the most glaring of them all was the promise of a story that never kicked in until it was over. All of the new characters are robbed of any chance to be more than one characteristic (if they're even lucky enough to appear more than once), returning characters feel watered down, and the climax kicks in with no build-up and a rival hunter suddenly revealed to be evil with no prior indication.
And Young Hunters... was only 25 episodes.
It's baffling to me that the head writer doesn't feel you can do serial narratives in children's media, when the previous Digimon anime *did exactly that* and was clearly successful enough for Ghost Game to exist at all. Not to mention the ensuing popularity of serial manga and their anime adaptations which in the shonen demographic specifically (Ghost Game's demographic) are famous for their length.
If Ghost Game wanted to have it both ways, then it should have approached it like other horror- and mystery-themed serials, where the bulk of episodes are standalone adventures, sprinkled by special episodes and two-parters that make significant advancements.
It can be done, has been done. Ghost Game just isn't doing it right.
In addition to this, does anyone else remember them saying Ghost Game was approaching its climax?
Nearly *two months ago?* Where's the climax? Will we even know when it happens?
I agree with all of this!
they should make an anime adaptation of Digimon Survive. After actually sitting trough all the game i honestly believe it would make for quite a nice a darker Adventure style season
I agree that should have been a show as it is so text heavy which I find just burns me out so fast
That explanation about TikTok and TH-cam ruining people's attention spans is a terrible excuse for why they are doing things this way. The show is unbalanced, because as stated, there's an interesting story lurking in the background, and what it ends up feeling like is a bait and switch. Despite whatever obscure announcements claimed they always wanted it to be episodic, they started out by promising an interesting story, then never followed up on it. Waiting until the last episode to resolve all this (if that's truly what they want to do) is lazy writing. And a purely episodic story does not work as well for Digimon when you have a natural sense of progression built in, referring to each new evolution stage. New evolution stages are a signpost that implies something has changed or progressed, but since nothing really has, it almost always feels random or unearned. A purely episodic show isn't as compatible with Digimon because Digimon, in all it's various forms, is about growth and becoming stronger. Which is not to say you can't lean more heavily on episodic storytelling, but you need to balance it with more story than we're currently getting, otherwise it's a one-note show with random, discordant notes in the background.
TL;DR: The writers miscalculated and Digimon doesn't lend itself well to a purely episodic format.
Well, VB BE revealed that Gulus has an ultimate form called “Regulusmon”. Maybe the mega evolution of Gamamon called ‘Siriusmon’ would represent the triumph over that dark digivolution of Gamamon.
The first words out of my mouth when I saw the words "we looked at TikTok and TH-cam..." were "now who's fault is that?!" Just. Christ. I think it's also a case of profitability and have essentially, endless story (and there's a way to do that right, just not with f***ing Digimon) and potentially endless money vs. having a show that *ends* and that will mean having to make a whole new original story again.
yeah when i heard that interview I was so disappointed hah
@@thedigiknow Full disclosure, I pretend the anime ended after Frontier because every screenshot/clip I saw from Xros Wars looked so cheaply drawn it physically hurt to look at. So I can't say I'm surprised at how Ghost Game turned out. Something has to get cut when you're trying to make something that at least aesthetically *looks* as good as Ghost Game and unfortunately the rule of thumb (unless you're One Piece) is that it's 99% of the time story that suffers.
I used to be excited for ghost game episodes. Nowadays i cannot even be bothered watching almost any of the new ones as they got a little boring to me how most episodes just feel the same
Again and the lack of character growth and development just KILLS this show for me
You can edit your post you know.
I'm just enjoying the weekly stories ghost game brings me. I'd like more story, but I also don't want to see the show end anytime soon. Hard balance.
Yeah I am in this ship too. In a way I like it a lot but sometimes I want story to continue and all of the black digimons we have seen. I want to know ! And I am lowkey hoping Blackwargreymon will show in this series.
Problem with Ghost game is that they wanted to be mature but also wanted to stay targeted at the same time. They never went far enough to be mature enough for older fans but I don't think it was entertaining enough for the younger fans. So it is in that limbo of not being enough for anyone else type of fan. I hope this doesn't make them give up because I would love an anime with the vibe of Survive.
You summed it up perfectly. I've seen every ep of Digimon, and was excited at the dark start with great storyline for ghost game. I even liked that they didn't just throw you all the digivolutions asap for content. The individual eps are really good as standalone episodes... But I got through the series and wondered when the storyline would kick in. Seems to be happening now, but 56 episodes for some storyline is a huge ask for any tv viewer
Thanks George. Yeah it's frustrating. I'm hoping things wrap up in 70 episodes or less because any longer would be pretty agonizing
Exactly! It won't stick to it's intended mission of being STRICTLY episodical. Either constantly blend it or don't. Gravity Falls being the greatest example of that. Underlaying story happening throughout the series while the audience is following the A-plot of each episode.
It would be less like Gravity Falls but more like Criminal Minds. To be honest.
Gravity Falls had a good handful of filler episodes as well, though I think GG is more comparable to Steven Universe in its filler to plot ratio.
Shows don't need stick exclusively to one way of storytelling. GG has been consistent in how its treat its overarching plot.
Gravity Falls is a tediously overhyped show... -_-
@@TheBleachj16 i agree with this. I feel like Ghost Game has been, at the very least, thematically consistent, and consistent in how it breaks up its story beats. I kind of like that I can tell people "watch the first 5, see if you like it, then watch up to 12 if you want, and/or just watch whatever catches your interest."
As much as I love Ghost Game episode to episode I have to admit the lack of plot-focus does start to wear on me now that the episode count has gotten this big. Knowing there's still a lot of Digimon reveals to come thanks to the Vital Bracelet, and in general the standard set by later seasons to give everyone at least a Mega, I'm a little worried that they'll just pop up and become a part of the ongoing arsenal like the Ultimates rather than have a sense of overarching progression like past series. I'm still hopeful that the show could pick up and maintain its own interest but the precedent it's set so far has been mixed to say the least.
Its safe to say that ghost game will be going on for another year. This will be the longest digimon series.
I never watched Ghost Game as it was airing, and have been binging it for a few days now. It’s interesting how the pacing issues go away when being watched in large blocks. It really feels like the narrative was written without the weekly release schedule in mind, which caused its audience to get uninvested. The poor pacing seems to be the biggest complaint I’ve seen from people.
Ghost game's episodic nature is actually really what I needed. Building up to GG I decided to do a personal retrospective to see if Digimon held up in my memory. I have rewatched the original Adventure series multiple times through my adult life so it never really memory degraded for me and is still exactly how I remembered it. I never forgot and there was never enough time for memory to fog up. Moving on to ones I hadn't seen since being a kid I binged through 02, Tamers, and Frontier before finally almost a year after it aired decided to watch Ghost Game. After Binging so many serialized narratives having a break from heavy story feels nice and I just ATE THROUGH GG episodes.
The light Horror vibe is a favorite flavor of mine and I like that ghost game... doesn't feel like a heavy meal? If that makes sense. It's like a bag of popcorn; you never get full. You just keep eating. At most you get sick of the butter. But DAMN do I like butter!
Exactly, I think most of the viewer of the serie don't understand the main propose of ghost game is just to be a light horror serie with sérial little story.
In fact the serie is clearly in the vein of Kitaro 2018 where main story was really rare and everything was revolve in 1 or 2 episode (like every kitaro serie).
I want to point that the director of the serie made hakaba kitaro in 2008 ans the most horrifing episode from 2018.
He just made his own Kitaro show.
And it's work digimon ghost game is the biggest commercial success for digimon in 15 years.
@@ashelygordon669 I think that my only problem with the semi serialized story is simple how that the characters IN UNIVERSE are being written to handle the plot. It's similar to my initial issue with Steven Universe as early as it introducing new character Lapis Lazuli. The protagonists should have questions they want answered but the problem being they're not really pursuing answers at all...
this is a very nice review, i watch ghost game because suddenly random youtube algorithm shows the "Mega's" evolution scene of the main protagonists, it looks cool and i decided to give it a try, after dozens of episodes, it feels hollow, the citizens act like all the "Hologram ghost" never happened, the battle is mehh, just 1 or 2 skills and then Hiro use talk no jutsu, this show have great potential if its target mature audience with darker story, too bad it always had to be a kid show lol
Ghost Game could have been the next Tamers. If you took Kurata from Data Squad and put him in this show, he could have been a nuanced antagonist. Because now he would actually have a point.
I lost attention for Ghost Games when I realized it gonna be episodic and that's why I dislike this season. There is a reason why Digimon 1,2,3 are so beloved, even with so many flaws, because when we were kids we waited every morning to watch continuation of the story. There is shows that work fine as episodic, because they were design that way, but Digimon weren't, so if they deciding to make next season similar they gonna lose old fans and will not gain any new fans.
I still like and enjoy Ghost Game, on an episode to episode basis, there's definitely a lot of really strong little self-contained stories, and sometimes ones that end in an unsatisfactory note but were cool up until that point. But the lack of an ongoing narrative definitely hurts it, because the elements for something really cool ARE there, and were deliberately set up. It's honestly just annoying, and I wish they could have at least tried a LITTLE more to push the underlying narrative.
I'm about 20 episodes in and the whole villain of the week thing is already incredibly tiring and it feels like there isn't much of a through line every episode.
if you're tired at 20, you're not going to find much else I'm afraid :(
I’m at four minutes and I kinda really disagree, the growth and lessons aren’t forgotten (evolutions demonstrate this, something folk have complained have taken too long) the returning characters (already more meaningful than previous digimon shows secondary characters, the fact there’s so much speculation about second partners, this wouldn’t have been a thing in og or tamers) . I totally get being disappointed or not feeling it matches up to how you felt watching old digimon, even more so when you’ve committed to making content about it.
But I think ghost game has had some cool themes , there is overarching progression it’s just not what people want. If they suddenly did 10 episodes of the digital world and meeting hiros father it’d be cool , but I’d miss the standalone new digimon and the strange ways their ideals and misinformation/miscommunication cause chaos and how this relates to unexplainable phenomena. This makes more sense to me than a new global threat every season and also helps raise the stakes if they do introduce that kind of big bad later. A hundred episodes taming gammamon , building a family with mummymon and the lads and then introducing a threat is essentially the same thing as having all the enemies dropping references to some boss every episode.
It’s made the standalone dudes more meaningful, but I get why people would find the stories lame or worthless if going into it with that ‘filler or story’ view.
Ghost Game's glacial pacing is both a strength and a weakness. There's no full trainwreck arcs like 02 post Digimon Emperor/Frontier's Royal Knights/Xros Wars Death Generals but man the nothing happens gets annoying.
I've always wondered what people's problem with the Frontier Royal Knights arc was.
@@risersin7957 The protags constantly losing no matter what, and no meaning developments came from the losses. At least the prototype involving the Destiny/Holy Stones had some meaningful progress despite its tedium.
@@TheDiscoGenre Didn't strike me as any worse then how much Tamers dragged in the middle.🤷♂️
@@minicle426 Digital World was pretty bad in Tamers yeah.
While I still do like the anime, I too was disappointed with the state of things. Having a great start, ghost game slowly started to decline in quality around episode 30 for me. They already hinted at many different plot threads, just still with no real answers to any of them and they just kept playing out the same formula episode after episode. I still enjoy the series but the excitement I've had has definitely faded at this current point in time. I really hope something changes soon as I still love the cast, the premise and just the franchise in general. I just want digimon to live up to the potential I know it can.
In all seriousness though, I guess my real main problem with Digimon Ghost Game is the lack of Adventure. And by that, I mean us exploring the Digital World itself. It definitely helps with finding clues on Hiro’s Dad’s whereabouts and learn more about Gammamon’s origins.
@@ashelygordon669 I forgot Appmon were even a thing. Though in all seriousness, I do love the characters (except maybe Hiro, but I don’t hate him)
This feels like it's going to end up like 100+ episodes. 108 is what I am guessing. The storytelling is VERY similar to Criminal Minds.
wow did not expect to see somebody compare a digimon anime to criminal minds of all things, a welcome surprise
that's actually a really good comparison. it reminds me of when there is a season long threat, just in the background. you get hints and clues in individual episodes but the episodes themselves are also self contained stories that don't necessarily always drive the main threat forward. i like it.
Another good comparison would be the Batman TAS as it is also a surpisingly dark show with an episodic format. Ghost Game, Criminal minds, and Batman also had episodes with narratives more centered on the villains whiles the protagonists are just there doing their thing
Honest shame this wasn’t the case. Feels like it got rushed after you hit the point where Hokuto finally comes back and then it’s over.
I've said this before as have you so we both agree as do others that while Ghost Game has great stories to tell.
But the show is as they say trying to have it's cake and eat it too, ghost game wants to be episodic but it drips in some interesting ideas for a potential story.
Like what is the deal with the 3 black digimon we see watching from a distance, where do they come from, what do they want and what's their connection to GulusGamamon.
I feel very mixed on Ghost Game. On one hand it's a dark tone of horror I like that uses atmosphere, tension, music, and psychological elements to build fear rather than rely on Jumpscares that I have come to despise. Sure it's not as dark as Survive or on the same level as Tamers, but I have seen darker stuff than those two that turned me off for being too dark for sake of being dark (how I personally feel with Data Squad/Savers) and Ghost Game ain't that thankfully.
On another hand, I am frustrated when they repeat themes, have very disappointing villains like Splashmon or repeat villains where the previous was better like Pumpkinmon vs Witchmon. It angers me more when stuff like the not real Hiro and first letter didn't go anywhere, which makes me worried for some plot cases.
On a final hand however, I guess I want to wait and see if the final episodes surprise me because as someone who managed to get through and understand confusing plots like Kingdom Hearts, I am a little prepared for the mess Ghost Game is and am use to it. Does that mean I think it's a good mess? No, of course not. But some enjoy things not making sense and I both get that and am use to it because there are some series FAR MESSIER than Ghost Game or Kingdom Hearts (not saying GG is exactly like KH either, just I am use to the disconnect it has while trying to tell a straight story)
I guess tldr; I love, dislike, and am neutral towards Ghost Game all at the same time if that makes sense?
Ghost Game currently is something like this : you watch couple of episodic episodes that are so episodic that makes you wonder where the show is supposed to go anyway. And then you are graced by that one episode that leaves the community with its mouth wide open from awe and admiration. A perfect blend of action dashed with a sprinkle of horroresque that is from time to time borderline illegal.
Loves this series so much. Of course heroes are going to win. But the fact that creators of Digimon Ghost Games are not afraid to show pain and filth of human side. I guess Digimon Survive made its impact after
I'm so frustrated with the Monster of the Week format of Ghost Game too. It's a shame that it isn't as good as it could be, because what I do appreciate is that Digimon appear that had never been in an anime before. Like Coatlmon or Anubimon. Would be so much more amazing if we had finally gone into an overarching story.
Tbh the "kids get bored easily" is kind of a bullsh*t excuse. When I was a kid I remember when I came home from school I always turned on the TV and watched the new Ben 10 Ultimate Alien or Lego Ninjago. Shows that have a really serialized nature. If the show is good kids WILL get back for the next episode.
Me too I remember coming back from school going to cartoon netwerk and watching Bakugan Battle Brawlers. Those we're the times when Ben ten and Bakugan we're actually good.
POSSIBLY SPOILERS:
One of my fears is since in the most recent episode gave us Warp evolution again, when we finally sort out the Gulus Mystery, Gulus himself can/or might be skipped and put on the sideline. If we can just skip Champion level, we can just jump each time to Gulus' inevitable Ultimate form. I'm worried that the revelation will be brief and then Gamnamon might go Mega, drawing everyone's attention to that.
Can’t wait to hear Gammamon say:
GAMMAMON WARP SHINKA… REGULUSMON!
@@TheBlueWanderer2000 I'll be fine for now with "GulusGammamon, Cho Shinka!"
Im also wondered why Gammamon cannot remember anything when he turn into gulusgammamon. Gulusgammamon like have his own memory, not sharing with gammamon. Also Gulusgammamon behaviour like waiting for something, thats why he choose to turn back to gammamon.
I hope Ghost Game's head writer never touches another Digimon series. He clearly doesn't understand what makes Digimon work, just like Tomoika botched Adventure 2020. Can we PLEASE have showrunners who understand Digimon again?
To be honest I like what a relaxing low tention feel good show Digimon Ghost game is. I love exiting stories but becuse of that its nice to have a show where things are more relaxing.
Fore example I am currently obssesed with this Video game about a groupe of animal children that go on a quest to save there families in the mids of a war. That game does a really good job showing the struggle of these children and reminding me that there lifes are on the line. Its to me really intense and I get in to it every time I play this game.
So watching an episode where its just Gammamon being adorable, they deal with a monster and then return to there happy lives feels so good. The characters and there growing number of Digimon friends are so wholesome.
Ghost game was an alright series. I haven't kept up with the series since it was postponed from that hack. I didn't mind the first couple of episodes, to me I liked how it set up the series and introduces the characters one by one. I like some of the recurring digimons that appeared as well as some of the new ones and the never appeared before digimons. It does make sense as to where the show is going but still I think they could have had great arks in between and piece together what happened to hiros dad and why digimons are entering the real world. I'm just disappointed that they haven't done anything up to now. I was really hoping we' get to see some kind of development or conflict in the show and with its characters. Certainly that ain't the case now, how they plan to end the show I hope won't be a loss string on a crane, or half ass everything we want answered. I hope that one day we'll get a digmon series that really do it show like seasons 1-4 and adapt the story telling in this day and age as well as taking risk and experiment.
Digimon GG had a great start with a horror theme and some new Digimon while also using old Digimon and a little mystery here and there. However, it gets old pretty fast after 50+ episodes of the same thing over and over again. A problem arises, the kids get involved, and they have a battle where it's almost good but pretty weak, they work things out, and the episode ends just feeling unsatisfying.
I'm not saying GG is a bad season, as it has some good moments here and there. Not to mention being a pretty dark kid's anime that everyone thought could never happen again, I say it's a pretty good season. But with its lack of story, character development, and weak battles/endings, I wouldn't suggest this one as the first season for newcomers.
I enjoy this series and I love all the kids and their digimon but I do which there was more of a story. There's just so much potential with alot of the characters that were introduced.
This series is really special to me. It's the thing that got me back into being hyped about Digimon, after the flop that was the 2020 reboot of Adventure..
Every week I am hyped to see the next episode, I don't really mind the episodic timeline, I just absolutely love seeing older Digimon in new light.
I understand that people want story and plot, but I still want to believe that they are slowly, really slowly, building up to that, hopefully in the Season 2 ;w;
To be honest i like anime where random “critters” or mythical creatures running about the place and co-existing with humans. Since I don’t see another anime writers or studio making content like Digimon, Pokémon, or Shadow Flame(to an extent) GG has become my go to anime on the weekend lineup just to adore our chocolate loving boy, and the creative stories being put together despite the lack of commitment.
One point I majorly agree with is using the audience as an excuse for not being committed to certain kinds of media. I understand that you can’t please everybody, but that’s the bitter sweet of things so I’d say stick to what is best and hope for positive feedback.
If there's any reason I bother with Ghost Game is on this channel. I fell off so long, that's an excuse about attention span, once again a big group of board members trying to read numbers to understand the human mind. If kids like stuff they'll just like it, and if it's good anyone will watch it.
Speaking of the characters development being frozen, there's also the fact that at the start of every episode, when the kids listen to some strange occurence going on in the city, they never suspect it is related to Digimon activity at any moment.
Where is the Police or Army or the government or any Digimon Organization?
Digimon literally killed tons of people how are they still rumours
Thank you. You just explain of what's the problem of the show.
While I do like Ghost Game and prefer it to the Adventure reboot. I wish that it had a continuous plot. I keep watching and wishing that the story would get rolling already.
As someone who used to like Pokémon a lot more than Digimon, one thing I appreciate a lot in Digimon is that the writers aren't afraid of chaging the games and the anime. Unfortunately, Pokémon got staginated for years so I stopped watching the anime becuase it was too boring for me.
So Ghost Game filled this empty space that Pokémon left in me so I am enjoying the show because I don't expect any overarching plot.
I personally find it quite refreshing that, in an era where constant online availability has made serialized narratives all the rage, franchises like Digimon and YuGiOh have opted for a more episodic approach. When the only options seem to be a batch-release format meant for binging, or a hype train that inevitably stalls from being dragged out over the course of a 3-6 month season, it's really nice to have shows where I can just drop in once a week to casually enjoy an interesting concept or a fun premise.
Young hunters that leapt through time was also fully episodic up till the last episode which is about the only thing i really didn't like about it and i think that's the best season of Xros Wars.
Ghost Game on the other hand I feel has a lot more "just ok" episodes than stand out ones and it's been getting tiring keeping up. The last few episodes have been exciting if only because we finally get to see their mega's but i still feel like they're fumbling where other series didn't. It's really hard to articulate but this new generation of Digimon feels very half hearted in both production and writing.
Honestly, the team up at the end of Young Hunters was so well done and oozed so much fanservice that, IMO, it singlehandedly made up for how crappy the rest of that series was.
Totally agree than Digimon feels halfhearted nowadays. I haven't truly felt invested in a Digimon series from beginning to end since Savers/Data Squad. None of the current generation of Toei employees seem to "get" Digimon.
It's a shame that the writer seem to think that people don't have the attention for anything anymore and have to be spoon fed everything. Maybe it's just the way I grew up, but personally one of the reasons I fell in love with the original Digimon as a kid was exactly because it wasn't afraid and tackle darker stuff like death, loss, jealousy, feelings of incompetence/insignificance and having to face your fears and stand up for you believes to succeed. I would be really sad if this didn't catch anybody these days.
I do love many things about Ghost Game, the charas, the Digimons, the art style, I even don't mind the episodic nature that much as I'm a big sucker for slice of life stuff happening. But it is true that the character feel limited and can't really grow due to the same nature. And it does feel like Ghost Game has been messing that one big "oh shit" moment that really kicks the gear running, like Myotismon going to the human world in Adventures, Black Wargreymon in 02 or the digidestined going into the digital world in Tamers. There would have been many great opportunities over the run for ghost game so far, Gullus, some of the bigger villains, digivolution debutes, but it can't really go anywhere if everything just goes back to normal after one side. I definitely enjoyed the ride overall, but it would surely be shame if all the lingering mystery gets resolved in one episode at the end. Kinda feels like Tri, that created one hell of a mess, then tried to somewhat fix that mess in its final movie and still left more questions unanswered than answered.
Also bless people who have the ability to watch any episode anywhere these days, even if it's not always legal. I had to wait 15 years to watch the 3 episodes I missed on Adventure's original run. Nowadays you have the episodes on YT 5 mins after they aired, or even life broadcasted on official streaming sites if you get lucky. Not being able to watch a show cause you missed the first episode really shouldn't be an issue nowadays.
i think my feelings of ghost game could be summed up on i spent maybe like, the first... 20 or so episodes eagerly and excitedly talking about it to my friends, and then slowly not as excitedly, and then forgetting that it was new episode day until the day was almost over, eventually reaching a breaking point when i just kinda... cried, when i realized that this thing i was so so excited for and loved the beginning of just, wasn't enjoyable to me anymore, that i felt like i was slogging through the episodes hoping that we'd get... something more. that more of the characters they made would show up and be important, or atleast have a like, "recovering" episode (the boy from the ajatarmon ep watched someone obsessively in love with them off themselves in front of him, and then we never see how he's doing again). we've seen people die and buildings get busted and no one.... cares. its all brushed off and forgotten by the beginning of the next episode, which it WASN'T always like that, the bokumon thing especially, but now even gulus doesn't feel like it fully... matters, it makes me sad feeling like they had a piece of gold ore and them throwing it aside for a whole series of episodic,,, time wasting. it feels like side digimon like clockmon has had more character growth than any of the main cast, which is jarring...
I’m kind of in the same place. Started out excited, especially since they kept dropping little hints of things going on in the background. Some digimon having no idea how they got to the human world, or the black digimon seemingly keeping an eye on gammamon. Plus recurring digimon like mummymon. Then those “crumbs” rarely go anywhere. We wait several episodes to find out relatively small details: like black tailmon is in contact with Hiro’s father, or Hiro gets to have a two minute conversation with gulusgamammon where gulus drops hints that he knows things normal gammamon doesn’t. My interest has worn down to “I’ll look up the episode summary online to see if anything major happens.”.
@@corvidaegudmund1186 i atleast watch them as best as i can focus on, then just kinda like... hopefully complain about the little breadcrumbs and how i wish there was anything satisfying happening. i feel really bad for the dude who was having nightmares about people not liking the ending, but where rhe series is now i really dont see it being able to salvage it. i felt mt stomach drop when I heard that shit wasn't gonna get resolved until the last episode tbh. thats not good story telling, thats scrambling to cover up plotholes/loose ends
Okay then dont watch. The show is great as is.
@@mysticdigital5936 How is it wrong to mention flaws with the show? Especially since Digiknow for instance mentions the good and the bad, and the bad being the concern here? Regarding the inconsistency between the episodic and serialized nature which leaves people confused? You’re saying it’s fine if the show never explains Gulus and the Digimon coming over to the real world?
if it had a plot this could easily overthrow tamers as the best
Possibly. During it the earliest days I predicted that this might be among my favorites along side Adventure , Tamers, and Data Squad. I don’t think that’s going to be the case.
Episodic shows are good when they never try to build an overarching story. Ghost Game fails because it hints at an overarching narrative with Gulus and with Hiro's dad. Scooby Doo is a great episodic show because there IS no overarching story and we know it but eith Ghost Game, by teasing us a story and then constantly not elaborating on it, they fail unfortunately
I made sure to watch this entire video before commenting, and I thought it was a great analysis of GG's flaws and strengths. Not gonna lie, I enjoy Ghost Game, but I want it to _be better._ I'm also gonna be honest about how I've seen shows do the episodic with recurring plot threads format better than this show. For example, I started watching Batman Beyond like a month ago and just recently finished it, and let me tell you, watching Batman Beyond alongside GG made me realize just how fundamentally flawed GG is. After all, not only does BB outclass Ghost Game in terms of being an episodic show with recurring plot threads, but it also outclasses it in every important category: characterization, visuals, dialogue, worldbuilding, pacing, etc. Also, hey you referenced Batman: the Animated Series as an example of a really good episodic series! I agree! Lastly, another reason I chose Batman Beyond as a comparison is because I wanted to have a tribute of sorts to Kevin Conroy, who died on the 10th. I'm not good at feeling sentimental, but I'm truly emotional at his passing since he was the Batman of my childhood.
Sounds like Mystery Box the anime
My problem with Ghost Game is that compared to Youkai Watch - Shadow Side the latter has a more conclusive yet serialsed plot even tough both are very similar in my opinion Digimon Ghost Game really underplays what it could have been
I feel disappointed but I am still not giving it up on the show until the very final episode
I am just very doubtful...
The show's bread crumbs are the only reason I'm still here even after I bailed on Adventure 2020. Not to mention the show earlier on really did go places that were interesting. Legit people ended up dead and the smaller stories had a creepy down to earth feeling. Unfortunately Episode 26 Cannibal Mansion was the last time the show ever WOWED me. After that nothing ever came close to earlier episodes highs. They also seemed to have stopped with the human casualties which were one of the most interesting things this season has done the others don't really do.
Digimon Survive at least came at a good time when Ghost Game was and still is dropping the ball. Ghost game for me at least really only has the teases, the adorbs Gammamon, and Kiyo/Jelly relationship. That's all the show offers now after it seemingly lost it's edge and decided to spin its wheels. It's pulling a Xros Wars Hunters where they backloaded the plot at the very end and maybe the show mostly one big commercial.
Honestly hearing you talk about the issues you find with Ghost Game made me feel better for having similar problems. I was so excited for the series and what it might bring to the franchise as a whole when it was first shown. But as the weeks went on I started noticing problems.
The way conflicts were resolved came off as weak, plots such as galusgammamon's existence and tailmon uber were hinted at but never developed in a meaningful manner. The kids have no idea of what the digital world is, nor have they had focus episodes that shows how they have grown as individuals compared to other digimon series.
And i wouldn't mind so much if the series was truly episodic. But it keeps hinting at things that say 'hey ghost game has an actual plot to pay attention to!' without doing anything with those hints.
I didn't think I'd feel this way when Ghost Game started, but I'm genuinely feeling that Adv 2020 is a better overall digimon anime and when ghost game is done I'm likely to forget about it's existence.
2020 is the most insultingly awful Anime I've seen since Sailor Moon Crystal. Just mindless fight after mindless fight with bland characters, that coasts by purely on nostalgia.
I ended up liking the reboot a lot more than I expected, and there are aspects to 2020 that I prefer over the original series despite it's shortcomings. *shrug emoji*
Honestly it is lazy I think. They don’t have to commit and just end it all in one episode. You’re drip fed for half the series, something happens, drip fed again and it ends in one episode with no real pay off. Just rushed explanations
I disagree that Canoweismon was unearned. I don't remember much about Ruli and Lamortmon but Hiro and Kiyoshiro had to fight through what seemed to be torturous pain, Betelgammamon being infected with a virus that made Hiro feel his pain and Kiyoshiro being poisoned. It felt like it gave them the physical perspective of fights that their partners go through. They could've just given up right there but they instead gained new determination and fought through pain with their partners which opened up their ultimates. Unlike past digimon this one relies more on being emotionally in sync with their partners, hence why there's a meter on their digivices for attacks and digivolving. I do enjoy most of the episodes but I do hope this isn't the case about just dumping everything in one or two episodes and ending it. The previous translations by the head writer give me hope that the show will turn into something more serialized for what I'm hoping for is a good 20 episodes, which in a way would balance the episodic past of the show for me.
Unearned might not be the best term, but it was a Ruli-centric episode beforehand.
I feel the big difference between Canowiessmon and Thetismon is that Cano's episode was basically a Ruri episode up until 2/3s of the way in, Hiro was barely a focus up until then. If anything, it would've been a more worthy Lamortmon evolution episode since she was the target and the one initially in danger, which would've been a great catalyst for Angoramon going wild to save her. Thetismon's the focus was completely on Kiyoshiro and him dealing with the situation, to the point that Hiro and Ruri were barely involved, so her evolution felt completely justified within the episode itself.
I’m sure the same audience that is watching ghost game are also watching other complex anime with rich stories , they needa take their audience serious and make or more story
Welp. You were correct. The 3 black Digimon ended up being a load of nothing, Gulus is almost completely inconclusive and this whole new thing came from nowhere at all and went nowhere
yeah... :(
you explained it all SO GOOD
When the show first started and heard that it would be episodic, I thought it would be similar to Gravity Falls but without the restrictions of Disney, aka more dark/scary. Now, the state of GG just makes me want to rewatch Gravity Falls lol (still a fun show though).
Never cared for Gravity Falls. Always found it tediously overhyped...
Ghost Game is one of those seasons that honestly grew to become a personal favorite for me. Maybe it's because it doesn't follow a story of "Group of characters follow bad guy, bad guy does bad things, heroes save the day at the end, much like every season before it." Every episode; despite some being great/okay/bad, has a motto and some meaning to it. And Hiro not wearing goggles(Marcus from Savers didn't wear any as well); save from every other lead character, I feel is cool. Gammamon is honestly one of the cutest Digimon and it makes me happy every time I see it on my screen. Honestly, the reason I personally like Ghost Game is mostly...Kiyoshiro. Not kidding. He honestly went from being my most hated, to my favorite out of he three. Yeah, he's scared of pretty much everything, but he has his shining moments. Episode 29 is the one that made me love the character. He's scared sure, but he'd never give up to the end. Somehow, it kinda related to me if I need to protect my mom. Thus making it one of my favorite episodes. And Jellymon.. yeah.. I liked her the moment she debuted. I honestly love these two as a whole.
I mean yeah.. It does have some flaws. I mean the plot is all over the place. We can't tell who/what's going on. Does it have a main villain a the end? What is the end game solution here? Espimon saying that he's looking for the real Hiro(I screamed one time at the screen "Dude! He's right there next to you!) I was kinda annoyed at first, but it's fine.
Besides those flaws, I think Ghost Game is a good series in my opinion. I feel it's a slight better than the Digimon 2020 reboot, but that's just me.
I think one of its biggest detriments can be summed up with this annecdote: In the website I watched it on, every episode has the same first comment underneath: "No plot progression on this one either."
yeah not to mention that canowissemon stole a ruli focus episode with villain that was ruli first intro to digimon.
but by the fact that you can now guess when something going to be resolved without a digimon death just based on how easy a conflict can be hand waved , with they said sorry.
the death total for humans is alarmingly high 24 are heroes only acted on destroying a Digimon when it was a zombie, this felt poor it was suppose to be moment of resolve to finally destroy evil digimon but then later keep on having hesitate.
I think another thing I'll add about the Canoweissmon point is that it felt completely out of place where he debuted. Up until the point he evolved it was very much a Ruri episode as she was the one lured to Vamdemon/Myotismon and the one he was immediately targeting while Hiro was barely a focus, it didn't shift gears until BetelGammamon was isolated from the others and that was about 2/3s in. So it not only felt unearned in the overarching sense, it felt unearned in the episode it was in entirely, making it fall short both in a serialized and episodic format.
And with that tangent in mind, I do agree with your point. The show is trying to be episodic with sprinkles of serialized content, but it's not excelling at either as the episodes sometimes mesh together and don't really stand out from each other and the serialized elements are so spread thin that keeping track requires watching through multiple episodes for a small step forward. I think it's struggling in what it wants to be at times, and while like you I'm tuning in and watching each episode, it has become a hit or miss series for me personally.
I hope the next Digimon show will be than this.
I had fun with the series at first, but really hate the whole “monster of the week” formula. I also am not fond of the art style and miss the art style from season 1 (or even season 3)
Almost two years since it finished, I still love this season. Mostly finding some episodes stand alone, I can easily go back and watch any episode just for that episode story. I just love watching random episode without feeling like I need to continue watching the season because I want the story to continue. I just watch one episode randomly and I am done. So personally, this is my second favorite season behind adventure one.
Ghost Game became a fun series for me because this series setup is Digimon that consider a hologram ghost. It's a more urban legend or scares rumor type of stuff than the original Digimon plot. From my perspective, the reason why is ghost more episodic is that I think the writer wants to make the anime feels like rumor-type stuff which goes and comes quickly. Ghost games have the feels of that type of horror anime which is episodic and sometimes left hanging.
>Kids have no attention span and abandon what they are consuming after one minute
They must have never heard of One Piece
Or just about any anime series. Or many current American cartoons.
For me, that sounds a lot like the problem behind the Pokémon games and what I had heard about the development of X and Y, mainly about kid’s attention spans and how they don’t want good stories or some crap.
Perhaps after OG, 02, Tamers, Frontier... and Reboot, we were so used to seeing this adventure story format in Digimon. And Ghost Game tried story-telling that similar to Pokemon series, case of the week, and urban legends that closely related to the real world. I guess this is what happened when digimon became popular, goes commercialization like everything else.
Savers and Xros Wars were a Story Format with Xros 2 being Episodic with bits of Story
This is not similar to Pokémon. Pokemon still had a goal which they work toward with the monster of the week format. GG in most episodes does nothing to mention the overall story or character growth
> I guess this is what happened when digimon became popular, goes commercialization like everything else.
Not enough.
Might as well as say ANYTHING but Adventure, Tamers and Savers are shaky and all over the place.
Depending on how this series ends, it would be a good idea to create a watch list so that future watchers or re-watchers can watch relevant episodes while skipping the pure filler ones.
It's funny that the creator says kids are distracted easy by tiktok or something else.
As a 30 year old the way they are doing things is boring me, I watched all the previous digimon because it all linked to each other and I'm sick of this series, I got 41 episodes in an gave up
From the sounds of things the 9 episodes infront of me nothing happens again, I'll just wait till your final review of the show
Nothing happens. That's what went wrong.
Why cant they make it like Digimon Appmon with the same episodic nature that go on into big important arcs later on?
Digimon appmon is so satisfying to watch cuz they keep pushing the story despite the episodic nature, reveal more and more plot point and then have an amazing finale showcasing the growth of every characters.
I agree, Appmon was excellent.
What went wrong? how about eliminating the one thing Digimon anime did which made it different from Pokemon, a goddamn arc, I was hoping for it to be much like Tamers, Ghost game has had so much potential to be more of its sum, but it somehow keeps taking two steps back, being completely aimless and never does anything worthwhile with its characters.
I'ts ok to say this is not a show for me, it's for kids, but man, when I was a kid, Digimon stood out for me only because I wanted to know what would happen next.
Rant over.
The partner Digimon do get a little development though. Like Jellymon wants to start businesses and she learns that she needs to give more thought into them and Gammamon takes a couple of episodes to deal with grief, etc. The humans are the ones that seem to be oblivious to everything happening and dont develop.
Except Kiyo though. He actually goes through an emotional breakthrough in each Jellymon evolution. Hes the best character because of this.
I guess I would count as a digimon fan as i've seen most series, I like Ghost Game a lot but its lack of general progression holds this series back to me. I do think the indivudal stories in this series are the best in the franchise but nobody learning anything make this series not really work for me.
This series had so much potential but to me it feels squandered. I along with many others been bringing up these issues for months yet many fans of the show want to berate those who have legitimate criticisms about the series. It's a shame
Yeah, you're correct, man. While the story of Digimon Ghost Game is not bad, the way it is presented and the overall pacing is a bit ... weird and off-putting. I have been binging every 10 episodes of Ghost Game rather than watching it every week after episode 21.
11:06 - This clip...hahahhah “I’ll be back! You just wait” then he returns:
To die immediately.
Huge bummer when that happened
@@thedigiknow I was perplexed.
I had never seen something so unesessary in Digimon before.
I lost interest in Digimon Ghost Game after about episode 40-45. I grew up with shows like "Power Rangers", so I don´t mind "the monster or problem of the week" method DGG are going for, but the serie is missing that special "something" that tie everything together. That "something" is the plot. After 45 episode I´m not any wiser about the Digital World or why the Digimons is coming here, that I was in the beginning of DGG.
If I´m wrong, someone please tell me what I missed (not counting random Dark Digimons).