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@ Vice News Public defenders are underpaid because they’re usually the most incompetent attorneys. They certainly don’t have your best interest at heart most times. You need to come to Alabama and see what’s going on
To everyone saying "just don't commit crimes" have you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Just because you've been arrested does not automatically mean guilty no matter the crime
There is also all the shady stuff done by large corporations. If you get sick because some large company dumped tons of waste in the water and you are poor. Well they will get away with it if the justice system does not function. These large companies just drag it out for ages, can hire top lawyers. Basically you are powerless against these giants.
All my charges were dropped, but my disability cheque was docked for all the time I spent in prison waiting for trial because they said my rent and food was being paid for. Of course, I still had to pay rent to my landlord, which means I starved.
@lilbeserk You're heartless, by blaming an innocent, starving disabled person and saying that (s)he should be happy as others are even worse off. America should do better.
@lilbeserk it seems like you care about the taxpayers pocket it also seems like you have an interest in brexit judging by how you have the Brexit movie saved in a playlist, it also indicates that you don't fact check and believe any rhetoric spewed by anyone with a nice voice
Yeah not to mention a lot of them r in there for small nonviolent drug crimes, like having weed on you or some shit. Even if they're declared not guilty they've still served for months bc of our shitty bail system. It's so disappointing that this is reality.
My dad is a public defender, and to say they’re overworked is a massive understatement. When he first started practicing, he would have around two hundred cases at any given time. He would basically live at the jail on the weekends trying to meet with his clients because he would spend his week in court. And they’re severely underpaid for the work they do.
Is there a reason he hasnt went to private practice? I'm sure with his track record he would get hired in no time and be working a much easier life for more money.
@@OhioPalmTrees Maybe he doesn't work only for the money. Believe it or not, there are lawyers who actually want to help people on their worst days who cant afford a lawyer.
ALL government employees claim to be overworked. I don't think I've ever even heard of a single government employee every saying they had a reasonable job load and good pay. No government agency in the history of the world has ever said "we don't need any more funding"
lol! right! @Vice keep uploading, because it's helping me do my presentation for my community committee and school district committee. Plus, your my excuse why Im up til 3am watching new and rewatching old videos.
@lilbeserk so if you were caught up in a case which clearly you were not guilty, but due to over crowding you're forced to wait, in the mean time you lose your job, home, car, and after all that, 12 months larer you're given $1100 max , you'd be ok with that?
This is also why innocent people take plea deals and they know it. The prosecutor's don't care they just want that conviction record. Go home today a felon or wait 2 years just to go to a trial where you might still get found guilty.. it's fucked up.
@@domanisarapeggio the point of this comment was that if you diddnt commit the crime you were picked up for. You would still be in the system until your court date with a garbage public defense.
@Blitz 557 That's not how it works, beloved. Some innocent people are in jail, right now, and some people who relied on petty crimes for survival are currently locked up for misdemeanors.
Not really dude. Public Pretenders have to put in their time to get promoted to a future prosecutor position. They don't do this out of the goodness of their heart.
@@ubermikesocal That is just...not true. Public defenders don't randomly switch to prosecution or vice versa. People can be hired at the DA's office right out of law school.
@@mollymajewski8701 but most PD's have alternative motives in mind when becoming a pd. They're thinking this will look good if they're considering going into politics. But don't most pd's get paid per case?? If thats true than these pds are making bank.
@@bradsully6620 No, they don't get paid per case. PDs get paid a salary, like any other government employee. Sometimes, in cities that don't have PD offices or who don't have enough PDs, the court will appoint other attorneys from the community that are NOT public defenders but who work at private firms, and those ones will get paid per case. Nobody becomes a PD for the money.
Like the one dude that went on to start his own practice said, he went into law school JUST to be a public defender and didn't have plans beyond that. Imagine staying on as a PD in an overworked county like this, tho. That's dedication to a cause.
All of the people we call lawyers are complicit or else they wouldn’t be lawyers. The only way to end the system is to stop participating. In short, I hope they fuckin starve bro.
@@ojplays889 lol actually legally they cannot prosecute you without a lawyer, and cannot hold you for more than a year without prosecuting. So if the lawyers really wanted they could stop all bullshit prosecutions tomorrow by simply recusing themselves from the case. The problem is layers are liars and snakes who wouldn’t know the morally right thing to do if it bit them in the ass. Hence 12 year olds getting sentenced to years in prison in this country, while they had a public pretender. All ideologies are lies told to the workers for the purpose of control.
Everyone was spelling their doom when they announced staff layoffs and restructuring, but I think if this is the result, it's fucking worth it. Coming back to relevant stories, asking the hard questions and getting into the weeds
I remember when I was a teenager and I was falsely charged with shoplifting. I thought since I was innocent it would be a quick process. 8 months later and a shitty public defender who told me to plead guilty to “speed” up the process. Proved that the whole “justice” system is guilty until proven innocent, but you can never actually prove that your innocent. The system doesn’t allow it
My guess is you didn’t watch the full video? This is not the US criminal Justice system. This is Missouri’s criminal justice system, most normal states aren’t this bad. It’s the poor mismanaged and uneducated states that are like this.
Allocate resources to bring young people into the BAR and have them choose the public defender route by enticing with boosts to pay. No one is doing this public work when a private firm can grant you 3x the salary.
Johnny Deng yeah but also the NFL isn’t one of the cornerstones of this nation’s constitution or one of its fundamental values. Some people believe in sacrifice and duty
@@rainboemonk Residency is basically an extended hands-on internship. Pretty much mxlbabe is advocating for all new lawyers to spend a couple years honing their skills as public defenders as a way to earn their law degree.
@@Eveablewastaken I've practiced criminal law for 14 years. Never seen anyone get arrested for it nor have I seen it as a justification for police contact.
+Julian. Vote right wing, keep the cash flowing from the treasury of the US government to private prisons. Dont worry, it wont be rich people paying it because they will get big tax cuts. So you and co will do the paying. /satire
@@Lobos222 yup but let's not act like it's only conservatives pushing the prison Ponzi scheme. Like Nancy Palosi' is just as corrupt as a Missouri Senator. All Americans need to wake up to the fact that we're living in a police state 😠😡😠 and completely reorganize the money incentives for this corruption to continue growing unabated. Let's fucking Riot if we have to, because I don't know how else to get a powerful message delivered and actually acted upon. :/ *Sigh* I'm so angry today, thinking about all the corruption
Over 100 cases per day for one courtroom. That's insane! Each case would only get less than 5 mins, how would a judge even review all the evidence in that short of time.
That's the secret to the healthcare system and the criminal justice system in in America it only works because it doesn't service everyone when it does have to service a high-volume a completely shuts down
I work as a paralegal for a firm that takes on cases that are conflicted out by the PD’s office. I have easily 150 active IDU (indigent defense) cases. That’s on top of my 50 hired criminal defense cases and my 150 family law cases. I’m the only paralegal. I have one lawyer. I get paid $14/hour and work easily 60-80 hour work weeks. In Georgia, our public defense budget was cut and the prosecutions was raised. We are tired, overworked, underpaid. We have mountains of cases and honestly, something needs to be reformed. I can barely sleep at night because I know that my clients deserve better. They deserve so much better than what they are getting. They deserve a system that can provide enough lawyers to be able to meet with them regularly. Trust me, we want to. We are trying. And trust me, I know our best isn’t even good enough and for that? I am so so sorry.
@@johncuervo3019 public defenders are not the same as lawyers. They get paid by the state not the client. If your using a public defender you cant afford a lawyer.
I heard someone say “you know you’re getting time when the public defender comes in and asks for (insert name) right before trial and you have to raise your hand.”
You ignorant people... how small is both your world views? You understand you both sound so ill informed when spewing what you are saying. This has been going on for decades. Decades!!
Prosecutor pay is higher than defender pay and the school system is a public indoctrination camp that creates primed customers for the business of legal proceedings.
School system? Most people leave it not knowing basic information. And worse still, clueless as to how to basic functions for society, like filing taxes and making doctor appointments
chaosXpert public schools aren’t a charity, they don’t exist to teach you life skills, they exist to educate society. Learning how to do those things is for one not that hard and also your responsibility
I remember VICE when it was this underground artsy punk magazine. Now that I had grow up along with Vice is nice to know that their news division do these kind of stories.
Yup, I was arrested for speech, and it’s wasn’t even bad speech, the deputy didn’t like that I wouldn’t answer his questions! I’ve got video that disproves his allegations, they have surveillance footage they refuse to add because it’s exculpatory and they are gonna stick me with a public defender that’s is only gonna advocate a plea! I will not take a plea! I will not even accept a dismissal if I apologize! It must be dismissal with prejudice and they need to apologize to me! I’ve been out of work for 3months because of this and will stay suspended until the case is resolved!
I've seen this somewhat, and there is huge pressure to just plead guilty and get out of the system as soon as you can. When you have no money, it's an enormous disadvantage. I've stood in court, and it's like a iron wall. I felt so naked and vulnerable.
@Digital Marketiiing I'm going to keep calling the cops and keep making anemies, because I'm not going to live under anyone's shadow, that's not living to ur full potential 🔥😈✌️
As a former inmate - The GREATER majority of those incarcerated are addicts who need RECOVERY; humanity, and HELP. The flooded system is due to our government using the masses as a cash cow. & miss me with the “you’re just a criminal” BS because here in NH you’ll do more time for driving than you will for anything else.
This documentary really should go together with the private prison system and mandatory minimums for non-violent drug charges. The public defenders office wasn’t meant to tackle so many superfluous charges.
In a perfect world, buddy, in a perfect world this doesn't exist at all. Most of those people probably shouldn't even be on trial. They're likely poverty/drugs/mental issues cases, not violent crime. This video also needed to mention the huge amount of plea deals.
The amount paid for public defense compared to the amount for the criminal system is shocking; and the amount of time people spend in prison just waiting for pretrial hearings is outrageous.
Some of them are really unsung heroes. I used to work for some outstanding public defenders. It was a honor and a privilege to see these dedicated and extremely smart and savvy attorneys in action.
I'm about 9 months from graduating from a top tier law school. Even though I have excellent grades, I'm going to forgo the $160k starting salary in "biglaw" because I know the public defender system needs help. The system is broken. All it takes is for one state public defenders office to decide they will no longer consider plea bargains & demand the constitutional right to a speedy trial for all of their clients. It would bring the courts to its knees.
I didn't even have the same public defender consistently on the same case. I ended up having 7 different public defenders on one case. Each time, they hadn't even opened my file until an hour before court.
A busy public pretender caused me to wrongfully plea guilty to something that costed me years of my life. The lost potential, I dont have a family, I eventually recieved my bachelors but had to wait until early 30s. It changes your entire life
5:58 👌👌 As a person who has dealt with public defenders worldwide, outside north America included, I can confirm that the opinion expressed at 5:58 is unanimous worldwide amongst mentally competent defendants. 😂👍...but I'm serious
25 clients in two hours! How TF? Court only operates 9-4 or something like that. Can a PD just say, I'm only doing 10 cases per day? Or does one HAVE to take on that ridiculous caseload?
Proper funding isn't the problem! The problem is that so many people are being arrested because private interest such as company run prison, lobby harsher prison sentences for any offenses, because more prisoners equals more money.
as a former inmate in Missouri northwestern area ...Ive see overcrowding in every state and federal correctional centers in Missouri and Kansas the system is only built 4 profit 4 prosecuting attorneys judges and court room staff while our records and lives are forever changed 4 the worst finacial all they do is convict 4 profiting and political favors gains financial gains etc as well as some of the laws itself is part to blame sure theres some who are guilty but theres federal laws are supposed to insure our rights as inmates for square ft space phone calls a shower etc laws for the overcrowding they was doing this in jackson county they even have a prosecutor working there whos been kicked out a philly court room due 2 fraud and seen his paper work theres so much fraud and corruption in our counties and states its seriously hopeless and pothetic i care about people i was there and its never easy 2 deal with there are other ways 4 rehabilitation and nobody ever does anything when these counties states break federal laws its total insanity theres a pbs story on it as well 4 our area thx vice 4 your time and effort 4 making your videos ...everybodies just a number for profiting nowdays and justice 4 all ty
Hope i am never framed or something, my life would be over cause i can't afford a high-end lawyer. also good job on vice for putting good content out recently.
In San Antonio late of last year as of this comment (2019) the courthouses were insane. District Judges and magistrates we’re crossing jurisdictions to help minimize the problem, however one side felt the other was overstepping. That held everything back, on top of 2 court houses next to each other and no public parking in the surrounding areas for a good mile radius, overworked and underpaid DAs just like in Missouri. I knew sheriffs and police officers that tried avoiding the court houses like plagues because of the undermining chaos. It started to go into personal levels from my understanding because nobody would budge one way or the other. Texas often having very very strict consequences to strict laws accidental leaks broken makes any first time offender feel like they’re on a murder trial case. Most of it coming from a law being broken has authorities taking quick action as they should, however taking to long to process cases for simple infractions. Investigating this situation further I learned it somewhat affects the homeless population as well.
When will the government be held accountable here? Every State Bar has a 50+ page of ethics and rules that lawyers must follow. Many of those rules are principled on the avoidance of professional negligence. Under basic employment law, the public defenders office should be held accountable for having PD's attain a manageable load of cases that are in sync with state bar rules of professional conduct. Every public defense agency out there dealing with this issue is forcing their PD's to break their state bar rules of professional conduct. Every state bar is a government-derived entity. Government is responsible here. Each politician is responsible. The judges are responsible for holding attorney's accountable, and, vicariously, holding the office of public defender's accountable. At times, public defense offices are negligent when they do not allow their PD's to officially deny new cases based on these professional rules. That is negligence. So, yes, politicians are responsible, every state is responsible, but it is also status quo public defense offices that are responsible. If government holds the citizenry accountable to their multitude of codes, statutes, and laws, when will government be held accountable to the same standard?
Belleville has handled one of my cases. The system here in Greene county is so broken and you feel so insignificant to change it. They are building temporary outside dorms to hold prisoners because this is continuing. It's at a breaking point
3:58 It's an ass-backwards system. Why spend a million or more on housing, when they could hire more P.D.A.s? At this point they haven't gotten into why these people were arrested, but for non-violent offenses, people could be fined and sent home. 🤷🏾♀️ That would certainly help relieve the backlogs.
as a public defender this is resonant. The DA barely moves or sometimes turns around meanwhile the defenders are all around the courtroom talking to clients. I am lucky to be in a county were its not as bad as others, we are able to handle our caseloads, but its still difficult. In my previous county as a misdemeanor attorney I was routinely in my office until 7 or 8 pm and coming gin on weekends. I hope that there are more spotlights on the need for public defense funding.
As a person who has been through this system all of this is true. VICE please for the love of journalism continue stories like this and follow up with it.
This ruins people’s lives. You get accused of something, you get put in jail while awaiting trial because you can’t afford bail, while you’re sitting in jail you’re not working and there’s a chance your employer will just fire you, and then you’ll still owe court fees after all of it. Being innocent in America can easily be financially ruinous.
🇺🇸My Country Feedback🦅 🇺🇸My Daily Office🦅 Today Informed the authorities regarding the agents, some of whome are foreign nationals, and others who are American, engaged in corrupt, dishonorable, malicious, veinaly and mortally evil intelligence operation intended to misappropriated me into severely federally punishable criminal group activity. The group attempted unsuccessfully to co opt me and detain me for their own illicit purposes. I raised hell against it today at Office Depot on Figieroa Street. The agents were beside themselves with desperation as they attempted to falsely induct mand detain me for criminal purposes. Purposes of fraudulent, fictitious, felonious, make-believe, pretendn frivilous criminal litigation. I remember this old trick from the 1980s to foment fraudulent litigation back then too. It is legal group including but not limited to LA County Public Defenders. It's a syndicate. They are dishonorable people. They attempted to conduct me, induct me, detour me, away from the righteous path of abstinence from sin, Abstenance from smoking, abstinence from intoxicants, abstinence from liquor, abstenance from dope, drugs and narcotics. These people are unknown agents. Whose careers and lifesyles are built upon lies. Instead of stopping what they should not be doing, they go on and attempt to add more crimes. The County Public Defender group is corrupt, malicious, and dishonorable. Not knowing what else to do about their bold attempted to aggange for me an unwanted relationships, even to the extreme of coercion, and seeking to inerrupt my legitimate activities, and replace my legitimate activities with illegal activities. These agents are idiots. I observed today and outspoken, mentioned this problem of idiocy. An hour later, I informed the Deputy Sheriff of the dishonorable and malicious attempted to detain and defraud, and corrupt. These were older people who put the youngsters up to it. And hour after that. I informed desk officer at LAPD headquarters of the illegally detain me as part if their illegal, fraudulent, pretend, make-believe criminal casses. The entire infrastructure is dishonorable. Corrections is dishonorable, Public Defenders are dishonorable. I told the LAPD Officer that this is someone else's tradition, involving "hen-pecked" group members, and "pecking order" behavior. They've been thieves all of these years engaging in dishonorable litigation. Make-believe litigation, pretend-litigation. Sending people to hell wrongfully. Pretending to defend. Pretending to defend while in fact and actuality, not defending at all. That's the way it looks to me. Sincerely, gospelgirl I informed the Federal Trade Commission of this dishonorable attempt. I intend to inform the FBI USAttorney General California Attorney General The Government
The Bronx Defenders Office is doing it right, but this is where, I believe, Limited=Licensed-Technicians (LLT) (or specially-trained paralegals), working under the supervision of an attorney would be HIGHLY efficient and effective within our judicial system - for example: several LLTs or paralegals would work under an attorney; they would be assigned to various cases; REQUIRED to meet and counsel with their supervising attorney on their SPECIFIC assigned case (a discussion of the case), and then sit with their supervising attorney, in court. An assigned LLT or a paralegal has the time to delve into a case, which would ensure an honorable function of our justice system - adherence to the Sixth Amendment. It eases a stressed attorney’s overwhelming caseload. Once again, throwing money, wasting money, taxpayers’ dollars, on the wrong thing that will never fix the problem….
I work at Kansas Holistic Defenders, an organization started in Lawrence, KS by an attorney who used to work at Bronx Defenders. We're trying to make it work here and hope to spread it throughout Kansas and Missouri :)
1:40 You heard what the judge said. "Process cases" Not "present a competent defense". So, not even enough time to shuffle the paperwork, let alone properly defend their client. Add to that, the epidemic of police misconduct and blatant lies. Still think everyone in jail or prison is guilty?
Thank you for commenting. You’re doing a good thing, meanwhile the USA commenters are so disconnected from the problems. People like yelling, not solutions. You are the solution. 👍
Ukraine GDP per capita 2017: about 2700usd. USA GDP per capita 2017: about 60000usd. One of these countries should be able to afford proper legal defense systems.
At 10:25 I had to double check the fact that the 13th Congressional district was the poorest in America. I am shocked to discover that it is true. How is this possible ?
VICE's Cord Jefferson heads to one of the worst-hit states to see how overworked and underpaid public defenders are grinding the legal system to a halt.
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@ Vice News Public defenders are underpaid because they’re usually the most incompetent attorneys.
They certainly don’t have your best interest at heart most times.
You need to come to Alabama and see what’s going on
Drugs aren't expensive, only coke is... So I won't be watching next.
To everyone saying "just don't commit crimes" have you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Just because you've been arrested does not automatically mean guilty no matter the crime
There is also all the shady stuff done by large corporations. If you get sick because some large company dumped tons of waste in the water and you are poor. Well they will get away with it if the justice system does not function. These large companies just drag it out for ages, can hire top lawyers. Basically you are powerless against these giants.
All my charges were dropped, but my disability cheque was docked for all the time I spent in prison waiting for trial because they said my rent and food was being paid for. Of course, I still had to pay rent to my landlord, which means I starved.
@lilbeserk You're heartless, by blaming an innocent, starving disabled person and saying that (s)he should be happy as others are even worse off. America should do better.
@lilbeserkSocialist bubble roflmao.
@lilbeserk it seems like you care about the taxpayers pocket it also seems like you have an interest in brexit judging by how you have the Brexit movie saved in a playlist, it also indicates that you don't fact check and believe any rhetoric spewed by anyone with a nice voice
Somebody at VICE HQ got tired of the ‘bring real journalism back’ comments and dropped a whole stack of videos on us 😂
Lol
Finally,
reporting that captures your attention and let's you know what's going on outside your 4 walls....
Yeah but some of them are old af
Unfortunatly half of them are re-uploads from other vice channels with new thumbnails.
RED what's going on at Vice? Ever since they got cancelled from HBO seems like they've been scrambling
Imagine how many of them are actually innocent and they’re being forced to sit behind bars
V it’s a tragedy, they literally rob people of their time
Melissa G Yea I’m affected by that reality.
You right 90% of them were honor grads just heading to church and a cop arrested them
That's life
Yeah not to mention a lot of them r in there for small nonviolent drug crimes, like having weed on you or some shit. Even if they're declared not guilty they've still served for months bc of our shitty bail system. It's so disappointing that this is reality.
My dad is a public defender, and to say they’re overworked is a massive understatement. When he first started practicing, he would have around two hundred cases at any given time. He would basically live at the jail on the weekends trying to meet with his clients because he would spend his week in court. And they’re severely underpaid for the work they do.
Thank your dad for me.
That sounds like hell
Is there a reason he hasnt went to private practice? I'm sure with his track record he would get hired in no time and be working a much easier life for more money.
@@OhioPalmTrees Maybe he doesn't work only for the money. Believe it or not, there are lawyers who actually want to help people on their worst days who cant afford a lawyer.
ALL government employees claim to be overworked. I don't think I've ever even heard of a single government employee every saying they had a reasonable job load and good pay. No government agency in the history of the world has ever said "we don't need any more funding"
Vice dropping videos in the past 7 days, like Lil Wayne was dropping mixtapes in early 2000s. Got damn, keep em coming
Dallas Ryder im saying bring em out bring em out
lol! right! @Vice keep uploading, because it's helping me do my presentation for my community committee and school district committee. Plus, your my excuse why Im up til 3am watching new and rewatching old videos.
LMAO They used to mass upload segments from pasts seasons of Vice before a new one comes out.
Most of them are actually reuploads. About 3-4 years old from the hbo days.
ALL OF THESE VIDEOS are old shit... they are just uploading segments from their cancelled HBO series... I've seen all of this, years ago
I believe you should be compensated if you spend 12 months in jail waiting for the courts, and you're found not guilty.
Shit minimum wage,15$ bet they change shit then!
@lilbeserk so if you were caught up in a case which clearly you were not guilty, but due to over crowding you're forced to wait, in the mean time you lose your job, home, car, and after all that, 12 months larer you're given $1100 max , you'd be ok with that?
Then they will just make everyone guilty to not pay and thst is already happening
This is also why innocent people take plea deals and they know it. The prosecutor's don't care they just want that conviction record. Go home today a felon or wait 2 years just to go to a trial where you might still get found guilty.. it's fucked up.
You can sue for compensation or are automatically compensated a set amount in different states.
well someone's gotta pay for our $700B defense budget
public defenders are on the state level
MEXICO WILL PAY
Emily Moss preach
The real tragedy is that by skimping on defense lawyer, it ultimately costs the state more money - and justice, too.
Thank Republicans for this nonsense.
Title:
Me: Don't you mean "America's Public Defense System HAS Been In Crisis For Decades"....
America number #27 yall need to think better about voting the right again my latin work goes all to Switzerland
For real this shit happens in NC everyday
VICE should do a documentary on the College Board
KIN 欽旭 i agree
KIN 欽旭 MSU in East Lansing, Mi should be first!
Yes !!!
yesssssssss
@@NorthernCold why? I go there that's why I am curious lol
This is absolutely horrific.
“Justice”
@ hella just shoot the runners thats integrity
@ yeah, getting shot hurts, but not as much as rotting away due to an unjust system.
Should’ve thought about that before committing a crime tho
@@domanisarapeggio the point of this comment was that if you diddnt commit the crime you were picked up for. You would still be in the system until your court date with a garbage public defense.
How much Justice can you afford
! stop locking people up for minor offenses !
Then how can your prisons make money it's the system
@Blitz 557 That's not how it works, beloved. Some innocent people are in jail, right now, and some people who relied on petty crimes for survival are currently locked up for misdemeanors.
Stop letting GREED earn money on a corrupt system.
End the Drug War!
Stop breaking the law seems simple enough
It’s an amazing testament of these professionals that they stay in the public defender’s office as long as they do.
lol side money and kickbacks
theyre just as slick
dont be stupid
Not really dude. Public Pretenders have to put in their time to get promoted to a future prosecutor position. They don't do this out of the goodness of their heart.
@@ubermikesocal That is just...not true. Public defenders don't randomly switch to prosecution or vice versa. People can be hired at the DA's office right out of law school.
@@mollymajewski8701 but most PD's have alternative motives in mind when becoming a pd. They're thinking this will look good if they're considering going into politics. But don't most pd's get paid per case?? If thats true than these pds are making bank.
@@bradsully6620 No, they don't get paid per case. PDs get paid a salary, like any other government employee. Sometimes, in cities that don't have PD offices or who don't have enough PDs, the court will appoint other attorneys from the community that are NOT public defenders but who work at private firms, and those ones will get paid per case. Nobody becomes a PD for the money.
Damn just imagine all the hard work you put in law school and come out with a job like this. To add salt to the wound, they don't even make 6 figures.
Like the one dude that went on to start his own practice said, he went into law school JUST to be a public defender and didn't have plans beyond that.
Imagine staying on as a PD in an overworked county like this, tho. That's dedication to a cause.
All of the people we call lawyers are complicit or else they wouldn’t be lawyers. The only way to end the system is to stop participating. In short, I hope they fuckin starve bro.
There are too many lawyers . It doesn’t take a tremendous education to be one. It’s all a big scam.
@@anyoneyousee7772 that makes no sense at all. If there wasn't public defendants so many more people would be in jail
@@ojplays889 lol actually legally they cannot prosecute you without a lawyer, and cannot hold you for more than a year without prosecuting. So if the lawyers really wanted they could stop all bullshit prosecutions tomorrow by simply recusing themselves from the case. The problem is layers are liars and snakes who wouldn’t know the morally right thing to do if it bit them in the ass. Hence 12 year olds getting sentenced to years in prison in this country, while they had a public pretender. All ideologies are lies told to the workers for the purpose of control.
It is most definitely a "criminal" justice system.
VICE been on fire lately
Everyone was spelling their doom when they announced staff layoffs and restructuring, but I think if this is the result, it's fucking worth it. Coming back to relevant stories, asking the hard questions and getting into the weeds
@@katana723 yeah defo, instead of wacky stories that pander to small groups
VICE-President :)
I remember when I was a teenager and I was falsely charged with shoplifting. I thought since I was innocent it would be a quick process. 8 months later and a shitty public defender who told me to plead guilty to “speed” up the process. Proved that the whole “justice” system is guilty until proven innocent, but you can never actually prove that your innocent. The system doesn’t allow it
Wanna hear a joke?
The United States criminal justice system!
You wrote 3 too many words
Biggest joke of them all?
The United States of America.
@@RunEnabled Please define "better", as compared to any other country. The US doesn't rank well when it comes to freedom, healthcare, and happiness.
My guess is you didn’t watch the full video? This is not the US criminal Justice system. This is Missouri’s criminal justice system, most normal states aren’t this bad. It’s the poor mismanaged and uneducated states that are like this.
It is a joke
How many of these people are in for useless laws such as possession?
A lot, let's face it these people aren't high level criminals, just the ones easy to catch.
Most D.A.'s offices no longer prosecute for low-level drug offenses.
Allocate resources to bring young people into the BAR and have them choose the public defender route by enticing with boosts to pay. No one is doing this public work when a private firm can grant you 3x the salary.
Or...
privatize the prisons and underfund people's defence for sell-your-soul-to-the-devil level profits.
@mxlbabe I'm not familiar with this. What do you mean? Can you break it down for me?
Thats like telling college football players to join the XfL instead of the NFL .
Johnny Deng yeah but also the NFL isn’t one of the cornerstones of this nation’s constitution or one of its fundamental values. Some people believe in sacrifice and duty
@@rainboemonk Residency is basically an extended hands-on internship. Pretty much mxlbabe is advocating for all new lawyers to spend a couple years honing their skills as public defenders as a way to earn their law degree.
first off stop arresting people for weed and jay walking
King Kush how many people get arrested for jay walking
@@bingbop9300 A stupid amount of people honestly
Not being from the US the idea of being arrested for jay walking is crazy to me
Jay walking sounds fun
@@Eveablewastaken I've practiced criminal law for 14 years. Never seen anyone get arrested for it nor have I seen it as a justification for police contact.
wow my friend was probably at that courtroom not long ago.. cool to see Missouri on vice but I wish it was a better reason.. the system sucks.
+Julian. Vote right wing, keep the cash flowing from the treasury of the US government to private prisons. Dont worry, it wont be rich people paying it because they will get big tax cuts. So you and co will do the paying. /satire
Lobos222 spot on
@@Lobos222 yup but let's not act like it's only conservatives pushing the prison Ponzi scheme. Like Nancy Palosi' is just as corrupt as a Missouri Senator. All Americans need to wake up to the fact that we're living in a police state 😠😡😠 and completely reorganize the money incentives for this corruption to continue growing unabated. Let's fucking Riot if we have to, because I don't know how else to get a powerful message delivered and actually acted upon. :/ *Sigh* I'm so angry today, thinking about all the corruption
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THE SYSTEM IS STACKED AGAINST THE PEOPLE, RESEARCH JURY NULLIFICATION. .
Over 100 cases per day for one courtroom. That's insane!
Each case would only get less than 5 mins, how would a judge even review all the evidence in that short of time.
Phillip Leong
They dont
That's the secret to the healthcare system and the criminal justice system in in America it only works because it doesn't service everyone when it does have to service a high-volume a completely shuts down
Even a doctor at a "factory clinic" spends more time on each case.
I work as a paralegal for a firm that takes on cases that are conflicted out by the PD’s office. I have easily 150 active IDU (indigent defense) cases. That’s on top of my 50 hired criminal defense cases and my 150 family law cases. I’m the only paralegal. I have one lawyer.
I get paid $14/hour and work easily 60-80 hour work weeks. In Georgia, our public defense budget was cut and the prosecutions was raised. We are tired, overworked, underpaid. We have mountains of cases and honestly, something needs to be reformed. I can barely sleep at night because I know that my clients deserve better. They deserve so much better than what they are getting. They deserve a system that can provide enough lawyers to be able to meet with them regularly.
Trust me, we want to. We are trying. And trust me, I know our best isn’t even good enough and for that? I am so so sorry.
I want to go to law school because there’s such a shortage. Doing a year of public defender work sounds like something every lawyer should do.
That's my plan
Damn I feel bad for these defendants they go to law school and work there asses off and now are over worked and overpaid
Shit yeah😂
My Mom you mean public defendants?
@@Kimberly-wt1nu You mean public defenders?
@@dylanjohnson7408 they are not underpaid. They steal from the clients
@@johncuervo3019 public defenders are not the same as lawyers. They get paid by the state not the client. If your using a public defender you cant afford a lawyer.
I heard someone say “you know you’re getting time when the public defender comes in and asks for (insert name) right before trial and you have to raise your hand.”
Better call saul!
Saul's heart was often in the right place, but his ego was not.
Slippin jimmy
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Alec nolastname nobody watched that shit
That's exactly what I wanted to comment. :D
You don’t see trump mentioning this on his Facebook or twitter.
Joseph Stalin Of course not. His allies and administration benefit from this system.
You ignorant people... how small is both your world views? You understand you both sound so ill informed when spewing what you are saying. This has been going on for decades. Decades!!
Quaker Oats lady again,. uhg!
Whatever you say, comrade.
Prosecutor pay is higher than defender pay and the school system is a public indoctrination camp that creates primed customers for the business of legal proceedings.
School system? Most people leave it not knowing basic information. And worse still, clueless as to how to basic functions for society, like filing taxes and making doctor appointments
Just because you flunked algebra doesn’t make public schools indoctrination camps
chaosXpert public schools aren’t a charity, they don’t exist to teach you life skills, they exist to educate society. Learning how to do those things is for one not that hard and also your responsibility
May the kind and bald lawyer find many calm and relaxing moments in the future, he deserves it more than anyone.
Hmm so it looks like everything’s in crisis right now
That's what I was thinking when I read the title. Everything is in a fucking crisis in America
@@hambone4984
Most of the foundational, but boring things, yeah.
Clickbait
Agreed. Makes me want to pack up and quit society
Hammster Wonder Cheeks that tends to happen when we have an idiot in charge :)
I remember VICE when it was this underground artsy punk magazine. Now that I had grow up along with Vice is nice to know that their news division do these kind of stories.
Shit, earliest I remember is when it was an 'alternative' media company reporting on mushrooms and North Korea. How long ago was their magazine phase?
Lots of quality episodes coming out recently, keep 'em coming!
Yup, I was arrested for speech, and it’s wasn’t even bad speech, the deputy didn’t like that I wouldn’t answer his questions! I’ve got video that disproves his allegations, they have surveillance footage they refuse to add because it’s exculpatory and they are gonna stick me with a public defender that’s is only gonna advocate a plea! I will not take a plea! I will not even accept a dismissal if I apologize! It must be dismissal with prejudice and they need to apologize to me! I’ve been out of work for 3months because of this and will stay suspended until the case is resolved!
doctor: "you have 12 minutes and 39 seconds left to live"
me:
10 minutes now
@@savagenectar3634 *looks at spam report button nervously.
7:15 dude is definitely overwhelmed. How can he provide effective council?
Very valid & important point!
“Alright we’re gonna try and get you declared clinically insane, call me a couple names when you leave the room”
I've seen this somewhat, and there is huge pressure to just plead guilty and get out of the system as soon as you can. When you have no money, it's an enormous disadvantage. I've stood in court, and it's like a iron wall. I felt so naked and vulnerable.
What are you doing to end up in court? Don't tell me that you are innocent just like 90% that are in jail 🙄
@@jaketapper8910 people like you keep this horrific system going....Goodie 2 Shoes ...Jake Crapper...😂😂😂😂
@@zeusscrowley8946 Sure thing virgin boy. I guess I'm just lucky I've never been to jail like jailbird Zeus here :-)
@@jaketapper8910 You're definitely going to hell, though!
Double edge sword....call 911 and u might end up in jail.
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@Digital Marketiiing I'm going to keep calling the cops and keep making anemies, because I'm not going to live under anyone's shadow, that's not living to ur full potential 🔥😈✌️
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When u been sitting in jail for months your case is definitely the most important.
Being in my first year of law school and knowing this goes on in this country, seeing this is horrifying
As a former inmate - The GREATER majority of those incarcerated are addicts who need RECOVERY; humanity, and HELP. The flooded system is due to our government using the masses as a cash cow. & miss me with the “you’re just a criminal” BS because here in NH you’ll do more time for driving than you will for anything else.
This documentary really should go together with the private prison system and mandatory minimums for non-violent drug charges. The public defenders office wasn’t meant to tackle so many superfluous charges.
The Bronx is the worst place to live in the City because of crime. And their solution is to make sure criminals get less jail time?
In a perfect world, buddy, in a perfect world this doesn't exist at all. Most of those people probably shouldn't even be on trial. They're likely poverty/drugs/mental issues cases, not violent crime. This video also needed to mention the huge amount of plea deals.
The amount paid for public defense compared to the amount for the criminal system is shocking; and the amount of time people spend in prison just waiting for pretrial hearings is outrageous.
Some of them are really unsung heroes. I used to work for some outstanding public defenders. It was a honor and a privilege to see these dedicated and extremely smart and savvy attorneys in action.
I'm about 9 months from graduating from a top tier law school. Even though I have excellent grades, I'm going to forgo the $160k starting salary in "biglaw" because I know the public defender system needs help. The system is broken. All it takes is for one state public defenders office to decide they will no longer consider plea bargains & demand the constitutional right to a speedy trial for all of their clients. It would bring the courts to its knees.
Thanks vice really interesting
I didn't even have the same public defender consistently on the same case. I ended up having 7 different public defenders on one case. Each time, they hadn't even opened my file until an hour before court.
A busy public pretender caused me to wrongfully plea guilty to something that costed me years of my life. The lost potential, I dont have a family, I eventually recieved my bachelors but had to wait until early 30s. It changes your entire life
Don’t please out. No matter what. I’m going to trial on my case.
@@Sierrzwhat ended up happening?
What is the solution? Higher taxes, so there is more funding for public defender programs?
5:58 👌👌 As a person who has dealt with public defenders worldwide, outside north America included, I can confirm that the opinion expressed at 5:58 is unanimous worldwide amongst mentally competent defendants. 😂👍...but I'm serious
25 clients in two hours! How TF? Court only operates 9-4 or something like that. Can a PD just say, I'm only doing 10 cases per day? Or does one HAVE to take on that ridiculous caseload?
Come to Southern California where your "Guilty before paying for your innocence ".
Proper funding isn't the problem! The problem is that so many people are being arrested because private interest such as company run prison, lobby harsher prison sentences for any offenses, because more prisoners equals more money.
Less jail time doesn't save money. The system makes alot profit off of incarceration
as a former inmate in Missouri northwestern area ...Ive see overcrowding in every state and federal correctional centers in Missouri and Kansas the system is only built 4 profit 4 prosecuting attorneys judges and court room staff while our records and lives are forever changed 4 the worst finacial all they do is convict 4 profiting and political favors gains financial gains etc as well as some of the laws itself is part to blame sure theres some who are guilty but theres federal laws are supposed to insure our rights as inmates for square ft space phone calls a shower etc laws for the overcrowding they was doing this in jackson county they even have a prosecutor working there whos been kicked out a philly court room due 2 fraud and seen his paper work theres so much fraud and corruption in our counties and states its seriously hopeless and pothetic i care about people i was there and its never easy 2 deal with there are other ways 4 rehabilitation and nobody ever does anything when these counties states break federal laws its total insanity theres a pbs story on it as well 4 our area thx vice 4 your time and effort 4 making your videos ...everybodies just a number for profiting nowdays and justice 4 all ty
Hope i am never framed or something, my life would be over cause i can't afford a high-end lawyer. also good job on vice for putting good content out recently.
In San Antonio late of last year as of this comment (2019) the courthouses were insane. District Judges and magistrates we’re crossing jurisdictions to help minimize the problem, however one side felt the other was overstepping. That held everything back, on top of 2 court houses next to each other and no public parking in the surrounding areas for a good mile radius, overworked and underpaid DAs just like in Missouri. I knew sheriffs and police officers that tried avoiding the court houses like plagues because of the undermining chaos. It started to go into personal levels from my understanding because nobody would budge one way or the other. Texas often having very very strict consequences to strict laws accidental leaks broken makes any first time offender feel like they’re on a murder trial case. Most of it coming from a law being broken has authorities taking quick action as they should, however taking to long to process cases for simple infractions. Investigating this situation further I learned it somewhat affects the homeless population as well.
“S’all good, man.”
When will the government be held accountable here? Every State Bar has a 50+ page of ethics and rules that lawyers must follow. Many of those rules are principled on the avoidance of professional negligence. Under basic employment law, the public defenders office should be held accountable for having PD's attain a manageable load of cases that are in sync with state bar rules of professional conduct. Every public defense agency out there dealing with this issue is forcing their PD's to break their state bar rules of professional conduct. Every state bar is a government-derived entity. Government is responsible here. Each politician is responsible. The judges are responsible for holding attorney's accountable, and, vicariously, holding the office of public defender's accountable. At times, public defense offices are negligent when they do not allow their PD's to officially deny new cases based on these professional rules. That is negligence. So, yes, politicians are responsible, every state is responsible, but it is also status quo public defense offices that are responsible. If government holds the citizenry accountable to their multitude of codes, statutes, and laws, when will government be held accountable to the same standard?
7:45 I hope this isn't the same Judge Holden I'm thinking of.
Belleville has handled one of my cases. The system here in Greene county is so broken and you feel so insignificant to change it. They are building temporary outside dorms to hold prisoners because this is continuing. It's at a breaking point
Couldn't ever imagine seeing something as unorganized and rushed as this in germany or any other first world country
Its Gracie trying to get a cameo for me 🤣 3:25
“We talked to you now more than we’ve talked to our lawyers”that is pretty sad..!!
3:58 It's an ass-backwards system.
Why spend a million or more on housing, when they could hire more P.D.A.s?
At this point they haven't gotten into why these people were arrested, but for non-violent offenses, people could be fined and sent home. 🤷🏾♀️
That would certainly help relieve the backlogs.
18 videos in the past 7 days? yall are on something 😭 keep it up 👍🏼
as a public defender this is resonant. The DA barely moves or sometimes turns around meanwhile the defenders are all around the courtroom talking to clients. I am lucky to be in a county were its not as bad as others, we are able to handle our caseloads, but its still difficult. In my previous county as a misdemeanor attorney I was routinely in my office until 7 or 8 pm and coming gin on weekends. I hope that there are more spotlights on the need for public defense funding.
Loving the content coming from vice recently! Keep it up!
this keeps so many minions and their bosses employed, not to mention its paying lobbyists donors, private interests, everything
I see VICE News is compensating for the “journalism” VICE is putting out.
As a person who has been through this system all of this is true. VICE please for the love of journalism continue stories like this and follow up with it.
Love seeing all these recent pieces, Vice! Keep it up!
i asked for a trial and a continuance they said no and sentanced me to 30 days no defense no trial....think i pay taxes anymore #hellno
file exempt on your taxes to take home every penny you make.... its simple vote with your dollar folks america has evaporated....
Vice went full speed am I right
8:16 2016? Also in 8:26 it shows a document dated 2016. its 2020 now, is Vice reporting old news like always?
Cosmic.Logic they re-upload, I remember seeing this a few years back. They think they slick lol
We on a roll baby, keep em coming vice
This ruins people’s lives. You get accused of something, you get put in jail while awaiting trial because you can’t afford bail, while you’re sitting in jail you’re not working and there’s a chance your employer will just fire you, and then you’ll still owe court fees after all of it. Being innocent in America can easily be financially ruinous.
Keep up the great work VICE !!!
USA: Our court cases taking too long
India: Hold my Beer Keg
damn I couldn't handle his job , crazy!!! How could you go to sleep at night ? wow kudos to them!!!
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Today Informed the authorities regarding the agents, some of whome are foreign nationals, and others who are American, engaged in corrupt, dishonorable, malicious, veinaly and mortally evil intelligence operation intended to misappropriated me into severely federally punishable criminal group activity.
The group attempted unsuccessfully to co opt me and detain me for their own illicit purposes.
I raised hell against it today at Office Depot on Figieroa Street. The agents were beside themselves with desperation as they attempted to falsely induct mand detain me for criminal purposes.
Purposes of fraudulent, fictitious, felonious, make-believe, pretendn frivilous criminal litigation. I remember this old trick from the 1980s to foment fraudulent litigation back then too.
It is legal group including but not limited to LA County Public Defenders. It's a syndicate. They are dishonorable people. They attempted to conduct me, induct me, detour me, away from the righteous path of abstinence from sin, Abstenance from smoking, abstinence from intoxicants, abstinence from liquor, abstenance from dope, drugs and narcotics. These people are unknown agents. Whose careers and lifesyles are built upon lies. Instead of stopping what they should not be doing, they go on and attempt to add more crimes.
The County Public Defender group is corrupt, malicious, and dishonorable.
Not knowing what else to do about their bold attempted to aggange for me an unwanted relationships, even to the extreme of coercion, and seeking to inerrupt my legitimate activities, and replace my legitimate activities with illegal activities. These agents are idiots. I observed today and outspoken, mentioned this problem of idiocy.
An hour later, I informed the Deputy Sheriff of the dishonorable and malicious attempted to detain and defraud, and corrupt. These were older people who put the youngsters up to it.
And hour after that. I informed desk officer at LAPD headquarters of the illegally detain me as part if their illegal, fraudulent, pretend, make-believe criminal casses.
The entire infrastructure is dishonorable. Corrections is dishonorable, Public Defenders are dishonorable.
I told the LAPD Officer that this is someone else's tradition, involving "hen-pecked" group members, and "pecking order" behavior.
They've been thieves all of these years engaging in dishonorable litigation. Make-believe litigation, pretend-litigation. Sending people to hell wrongfully. Pretending to defend. Pretending to defend while in fact and actuality, not defending at all.
That's the way it looks to me.
Sincerely,
gospelgirl
I informed the Federal Trade Commission of this dishonorable attempt.
I intend to inform the FBI
USAttorney General
California Attorney General
The Government
Just be rich and powerful, trust me you'll get away with anything.
Easssssy :)
I’m in law school right now with plans to be a PD. It’s not glamorous but it’s necessary work.
BX NYC Baby 🔥 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Well try stop over policing the people or teach cops the law and maybe half the people wont be charged with non crimes the the cops think are real
I got a cuz named vinnie that could take on some cases... :)
I wouldn't trust a wet bandit
Would he represent my two yoots?
@@mikecoffin9236 😂😂😂😂
The Bronx Defenders Office is doing it right, but this is where, I believe, Limited=Licensed-Technicians (LLT) (or specially-trained paralegals), working under the supervision of an attorney would be HIGHLY efficient and effective within our judicial system - for example: several LLTs or paralegals would work under an attorney; they would be assigned to various cases; REQUIRED to meet and counsel with their supervising attorney on their SPECIFIC assigned case (a discussion of the case), and then sit with their supervising attorney, in court. An assigned LLT or a paralegal has the time to delve into a case, which would ensure an honorable function of our justice system - adherence to the Sixth Amendment. It eases a stressed attorney’s overwhelming caseload. Once again, throwing money, wasting money, taxpayers’ dollars, on the wrong thing that will never fix the problem….
Vote Bernie
no
Brandon Ramirez yes or else
Why?
I don’t think yt is the best place to spread your political opinion to the public
Bernie bros for gulags.
I work at Kansas Holistic Defenders, an organization started in Lawrence, KS by an attorney who used to work at Bronx Defenders. We're trying to make it work here and hope to spread it throughout Kansas and Missouri :)
Back to back, okay vice
1:40 You heard what the judge said. "Process cases" Not "present a competent defense". So, not even enough time to shuffle the paperwork, let alone properly defend their client. Add to that, the epidemic of police misconduct and blatant lies. Still think everyone in jail or prison is guilty?
12 thousand less than how much tho
The Bronx defenders is a great example of well managed funding
As a detective in Ukraine, I got over 1500 cases investigated by me at the moment (don't know actual number), so your problems are just a laugh
Lol thanks for that. People in the US don't get how great we have it.
Thank you for commenting. You’re doing a good thing, meanwhile the USA commenters are so disconnected from the problems. People like yelling, not solutions. You are the solution. 👍
Just because your problems a lot worse (which it seems to be) does not mean the US' problems are naught.
Ukraine GDP per capita 2017: about 2700usd.
USA GDP per capita 2017: about 60000usd.
One of these countries should be able to afford proper legal defense systems.
At 10:25
I had to double check the fact that the 13th Congressional district was the poorest in America. I am shocked to discover that it is true.
How is this possible ?
Vice been busy lately huh